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Aug. 31, 2023 - David Icke
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Rewriting Human Reality - The Dream Out Now - David Icke Talks About The Book's Amazing Revelations
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There's a lot of things that I've said over the years, which were perceived to be crazy.
and then suddenly they start to move mainstream.
I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.
What is real?
How do you define real?
If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
What if all you ever knew was a lie?
Well, David, thank you for being here.
And what I want to do is give you a proper introduction before we start, so everybody can re-familiarize themselves with all your achievements.
So, David Icke is an author of 16 books, a documentary filmmaker, a public speaker who has addressed sold-out venues worldwide, an educator, a role model, a father, a researcher of the truth, and a helper of millions around the world.
David Icke set what I believe are unofficial viewing records with his appearances on London Real with Brian Rose.
Hundreds of millions have tuned into that series of talks.
This promoted our human farmers to attack not only London Real and Brian Rose, but David himself.
With a blanket of censorship attempts unseen before in human history.
David has faced these tacks in his career before and they only serve to make him stronger and his message go further.
David has recently been banned from entering all EU countries simply because he was invited to talk live.
In the Netherlands, on the usual range of topics, the charge was he was a threat to public order.
This from a government who just poisoned half the population back into the Stone Age during the Hollywood stage production called COVID.
David's brain is a lightning rod for what is right, true, and just, and it's his passion for seeking the truth that is the ultimate threat to the worldwide enslavement apparatus now attempting to be installed across the entire planet.
You can find David's private media channel at iconic.com, where you can stream 30 years of David's content, plus much more.
You can also find all David's books and everything hidden from the public At DavidEyck.com, hero, legend, a man of the people.
David, welcome to the show.
Thank you very much.
I'm embarrassed.
You deserve it, my friend.
You deserve it.
So, let's start with the first question.
What does, like, what role does the media play in controlling the public, mind controlling the public, or public perception?
Well, let's look at a definition for mind control.
And in its widest possible sense, it is getting someone to believe what they wouldn't believe without the manipulation that they're subjected to, to give them a perception of reality that isn't true.
Now, you can take that to the level of MKUltra, And the horrors that people were put through with that, not least people like Kathy O'Brien, to get them to be completely different personalities.
The fragmentation of the mind into compartments or altars to get them to To believe of themselves a fake self-identity and to believe of the world they're experiencing a false set of circumstances that wouldn't normally happen without manipulation.
You can take it to that level, and they do, Or you can look at it from a mass population point of view, in which basically the same thing is happening.
What was interesting, well many things were interesting, but when I was observing the Covid hoax, is how all the information that I'd gleaned from people who'd been through MKUltra, including Kathy, and how the techniques worked, And I was looking at the mass mind control, because it was, of the global population, and the same techniques were being used.
So whether it's mass mind control, or it's targeted individual mind control, the basic techniques, and certainly the outcome, is the same.
So if you are an MK Ultra, subject, then you are fed information to give you a perception of reality and yourself that isn't true.
If you look at the mass mind control of the population, this is why the media is so absolutely crucial to this, you are feeding the population information that isn't true, To get them to have a fake perception of reality and also a fake perception of themselves, if you go deeper into it.
And so it's simply control of information leading to a perception of reality, leading to behavior that comes from that perception of reality.
So if we take the COVID hoax example, You give them false information about the, quote, virus.
You give them false information about the fake vaccine, not even a vaccine under previous criteria.
And you censor.
This is crucial.
This is why we've got this mass censorship going on.
You censor other information that would give those same people another way of looking at events.
And so what you're doing with the censorship is you are controlling what the population sees and hears so that only your story, your narrative, is the one they hear.
Now if you go back to MKUltra, what are they doing?
They're putting people into a circumstance of enslavement, control, imprisonment, and they're ensuring that they only have your version of reality from which to form their perception.
And so wherever you look You're seeing mind control is everywhere, absolutely everywhere.
The vast majority of the global population, the vast, vast majority, is under mind control in the sense that it is believing a version of reality that it's being told to believe and encouraged to believe, even pressured to believe, that isn't true.
And this is the COVID hoax, it's the human-caused climate change hoax, it's all of them.
And so your subject of this series is spot on, because that's exactly what has happened.
Thanks for that, that's a great way to start.
Now, with the government, especially in the UK, and Canada has their own version of this, But can you explain the UK's SAGE and their nudge unit and how that folds in to controlling the perception or mind controlling the population?
What is SAGE?
Well, Sage and the offshoots of all that regarding COVID, including the UK government.
The UK government's behavioural insights team are all part of this mind control And the the nudge unit is so called the behavioral insights team, etc.
And the network around it, because you're nudging people into a certain perception.
And you can do it by, like I say, censoring alternative information.
And you can do it through fear.
You can do it by telling people that if they don't do what you say they should do, then they're putting themselves in danger, and then you play the emotional manipulation card, which is, and you're putting everyone else in danger as well.
You are putting Granny in danger, and your children in danger, and all this.
And the sum total of this behavioural insights team network is to get the population to perceive What the authority, because we talk about governments, but they're just gophers for a much wider global web, that you are getting them to believe what you want them to believe, so they behave the way you want them to behave.
You know, if people had not believed the official narrative of COVID, then there'd have been no lockdown.
There'd have been no social distancing.
There'd have been no fascism all around the world.
No house arrest, in effect.
Because people wouldn't have had it.
They wouldn't have accepted it.
But because they... Well, two things.
Both are related to mind control at any level you want to talk about.
One is that you believe what you're told without question.
And the other is that you really don't believe it, and you'd rather not do what they're telling you to do, but you're frightened of the consequences of not doing what they're telling you to do.
And those two mentalities have driven the tyranny.
They've driven all tyrannies, because without that, the few can never control the many.
And like I say, it's all mind control.
If you go back through history, you tell Group A That group B or country B, whatever, tribe B is a threat to them.
And you get the tribe A to be in fear of what tribe B are going to do.
Though you build that up into fear and fear connects into, I must be protected.
and you either give your power to authority to protect you or you play a part in that apparent protection
by going to war with tribe or country B.
So all the way through human history, the few have controlled the many
because they have controlled their perception of reality or they have got the population to be in fear
of not doing what the few is telling them to do.
Everywhere you look that is happening.
And in my new book, it's actually just out now, The Dream, I go deeper in the rabbit hole
than I've ever been before.
I think there's some things in that book that have never been written before.
And this relates to mind control and even the nature of what mind really is.
And it goes into It takes levels of the mind control arena deep, deep into places that, well, in part, I don't think anyone has gone, not in No New Ministry anyway, but certainly a few have gone into the places that the book goes.
I do like where that book is going.
I think you get there naturally if you follow the path long enough.
Would it be safe to say that the people who abused Kathy O'Brien We're researching the modalities of individual mind control in order to place them over as a blanket over the entire society.
Is that really, was that sort of the objective of this group?
Is to find out how to mind control an individual, hone those skills, and then blanket cover the entire society with the same research?
Yeah, I mean, you know, like I say, mind control has been used on the population going back into ancient history.
If you, you know, take the theme of getting people to believe what you want them to believe and act as you want them to act.
But the detail that went into projects like, I mean, it was massive, wasn't it?
MKUltra.
Gleaned a lot of very detailed information.
about cause and effect.
You do this, and so the mind reacts like this.
It believes this, or it becomes fearful, or an emotion is massively part of mind control.
We talk about mind control, but the emotional manipulation is massively part of that.
And so Yeah, MKUltra produced and other projects, because MKUltra is still going under another name, more advanced now.
Instead of using the kind of trauma-based mind control that they used before, a lot of it is technological now.
But it's given them enormous amounts of knowledge about how the mind works, and therefore how you can manipulate it to believe what you want it to believe.
But you know, I, over the years, because I've been doing this for 34 years now, I kept hearing from different spiritual belief systems, whether it's the East or wherever it is, that to become enlightened, you have to go beyond mind.
You have to go beyond Um, what we call mind, uh, because that's the barrier to enlightenment.
That's what I kept hearing and heard repeating, uh, repeated so often.
So my question was, so what the bloody hell is the mind then?
What is this mind that we have to get beyond to become enlightened, as we call it?
Well, what I've done in the dream is I've gone deep in the rabbit hole, and I've concluded this.
What we call the human mind is actually an AI program.
We look at AI in the human world now, and we think, you know, that's where it's emerging.
But outside of the ridiculously narrow band of frequency that we can see visible light, And the electromagnetic spectrum, there are other dimensions of reality.
And some of them interact with this one, just like on the old analog system, you'll get a radio station interfering with another radio station.
And so there is communication possible between them, if you know what you're doing.
And I've looked at This reality and what it is for all these 34 years.
And I concluded just after the turn of the millennium that this is a, it's a simulation.
It's a virtual reality simulation of enormous advancement compared with the ones that we have in the human world now.
But the principle is the same.
So if you Look at people who put the headset on in a virtual reality game.
You see them in an empty room, thrashing around, screaming, whatever, because of what's being fed to them.
And yet, when they take the headset off, it's like, oh, it was just a game.
Oh, phew.
But the control of perception is enormous when you see what they do.
So my question is this, what would happen, what would your perception of reality be if you couldn't take the headset off?
If you were in the womb with the headset on, you came out of the womb and there were your parents and they had headsets on, Your siblings, if you have some, have headsets on.
Your friends, as you grow up, have headsets on.
You go to school, your friends in the class have headsets on, the teacher has headsets on.
You go on to university, the professors have headsets on.
You turn on the television and someone says, hello, good evening, welcome, here is the news, and he's wearing a headset.
And everywhere you go, you go to work, when you leave college, and all the people at work have got headsets on.
And you don't take the headset on off until you come to the end of your, quote, human life.
Well, and even more than that, you don't even know you've got a headset on.
What's your perception going to be throughout a human life?
It's going to be what the headset is telling you it is.
Obvious.
When you can do it to people who just put a headset on in a game, imagine what you could do if the headset was for life.
And so where is the headset that does this?
I say it's this.
I say the human body is a biological computer.
I've been saying that since the 1990s, but it's getting more and more detailed now.
That, you know, what people talk about is biological is natural.
And technological is not natural.
Well, how do we know?
Okay, you can compare the biological with the technological, and from that perspective the biological looks natural.
But unless you've got something you absolutely know is natural, To compare the biological with, you're not gonna know if the biological is natural at all.
And one thing I've learned over these decades is that the force that's ultimately behind global control, it perceives the biological to be a form of technology, a form of what we would call AI, But not the AI that you see in the public arena in the human world at the moment.
And this AI is a product, a manifestation, a creation of another dimension of reality that's very, very close to this one, but beyond visible light, which is why we can't see it.
And so when we come into this world, we have a vessel That is an AI program.
I go into the dream about the whole reincarnation cycle and how that fits in, because it does, but not in the way that we're told it does.
And so you have a vehicle that's AI.
And I say that what we call mind is an AI program.
And that's why the spiritual people in all their forms say you've got to go beyond mind to become enlightened.
Well, yes, you have, because that program, what I call astral AI mind, is what is driving your sense of perception, unless you can open yourself to consciousness beyond the AI program, at which point You start to see the world differently.
You start to see yourself differently.
The dots you couldn't connect when mind was in control, suddenly you're connecting them.
You can see the big picture more and more.
And that's because you've gone beyond this AI mind that is driving the body perception.
So what do we say when people go through that?
We say they have awakened.
They are awakening.
Awakening from what?
Awakening from what's driving their perception, which is this AI mind.
And when people say, if you just step back from the chatter, the mind chatter, that's constantly going through many people's minds, You can actually become the observer of the chatter and realize the chatter is not you.
And that chatter is the AI mind.
And it's my view, having looked at this in some detail, that if you're only driven, if your perception is only driven by this AI mind program, then when you enter this world, when you leave, is already
decided. It's literally a program.
But if you can awaken to consciousness beyond the program, you can override the program.
And that's why so many people now, as they do that, are beginning to see things that they
could never see before.
Why didn't I see it before?
Because that Mind Program was not allowing you to see it before, because it's not meant for you to see it.
It's meant for you to just follow the program.
And so I see how if you can be locked in, not just to that, AI mind, but that AI mind, because it's a program, can be manipulated or played with, where this extraordinary level of perceptual belief that you see in people in MKUltra can come from.
It's like this.
You know when people say, it's unbelievable mate, I've given them all the evidence, I've given them the background, I've given them the references, I've shown them the lies, and they still don't get it.
Well, the AI mind is not meant to get it.
That's the whole point of it.
But when you become conscious beyond the mind, then you can see it and you can start to get it.
And it's my view, just finally, that this fake COVID jab, this fake COVID vaccine, is designed
to block the biological computer program from being interacted with by consciousness beyond
the program. It's locking people in into an even more technological state through these
self-replicating nanotechnology systems.
And for me, what in part is many reasons for that fake jab, it's to connect People into this cloud, as they call it, as Ray Kurzweil, the Google executive and quote, futurist talks about the cloud, the cloud that's being created more and more and more by low orbit satellites and towers everywhere, low orbit satellites, thanks to people like Elon Musk at SpaceX, of course, but others too.
And the idea is to lock you in to this cloud, so the cloud becomes your mission control.
Instead of being able to open your mind, go beyond mind, to expanded states of consciousness, the mind is interacting with this cloud.
So, whatever the cloud is telling you, this is where this real mind control is going.
Whatever this cloud is now telling you is reality, is what your reality is perceived to be, because you have no other connection apart from that cloud.
And when people talk about connecting the human brain, the human body to AI, it's People have the idea that you have a microchip and, you know, a little rice-type chip or something.
But that, in so many ways, is a diversion from the real AI control, AI connection.
And that's the cloud through the body via these systems that are emerging in the body of those who've been fake vaccinated.
Absolutely.
I follow you, Dave.
It's almost like we're the AI that's come to life outside the controller's hand.
The Awaken folks, anyway.
And I can't help but observe there's a lot of evil in the original AI program.
A lot of destruction of life, hatred of life.
And you've talked about the Wetiko, the Chad the Hurry, the Jinn, the Archons.
Who is the primary engineer architect of this original program?
If this is the original program, what's behind it?
Who's behind it?
What's the goal?
Well, first of all, interestingly, I started talking about this as a simulation just after the turn of the millennium.
There weren't many who were saying it then.
I only found one.
It was a guy called Nick Bostrom at Oxford University.
And he was, his version of it was not my version of it, but at least he was looking at the fact that this Could well be a simulation.
But what's interesting is since then, more and more mainstream scientists have concluded it is a simulation.
Because once you realize it is, then so many of the so-called great mysteries of science and great mysteries of reality disappear once you realize that it is a simulation.
And yes, right.
I mean, there's a guy called Rich Terrell at NASA, works in the NASA computer department.
And he went public a few years ago and said that he believed that this is a simulation, that it's a holographic simulation, which is what I've been saying all along, and that If that's correct, then it must have been made by someone.
It wasn't natural.
Okay, well that fits what I've been saying as well.
So, what I've found as I look around the religious beliefs of the world and the cultural beliefs that apparently are different to the religious beliefs, it's not what is different that has struck me, it's what's the same.
The number of similarities there are, if you Get through the language and the different names that are given to various sources and entities and quote gods, and you listen to how they're described and you listen to what they're doing, then actually they're talking about the same quote gods.
And so when you break down all these different cultural beliefs and religious beliefs, whether it's the Christian demons or the Islamic jinn or whatever, they're talking about a force, not human, that operates outside of human sight.
Which is not saying a lot, because what we can see is pathetic, frankly.
The frequency band of human sight is pathetically small.
And they're manipulating human society from the unseen.
That's a theme you find everywhere.
You know, I've come across, obviously become infamous for it, reptilian entities that are very dominant in this non-human force.
But we're still talking at the level of form.
And what's behind all this is not form.
It's a state of inverted, chaotic, ridiculously stupid, Consciousness.
That is behind the creation of this simulation.
And the simulation is there for two reasons.
One, to control the perceptions of the enslaved population.
And two, to manipulate that perception and that emotional state of the target population, the target consciousness, to the point where It is constantly a source of low vibrational frequencies that this non-human force feeds off.
So when the Morpheus character in the Matrix held up the battery and said, the Matrix is a computer-generated dream world designed to turn humans into one of these, It was a very profound truth, one of the biggest profound truths ever spoken in a movie, I think.
Because that's exactly what's going on.
And this consciousness that's behind all this, it can take a reptilian form, it can take the form of the so-called greys, it can take many different forms.
But actually, in its base state, it's a state of extraordinary inverted schismatic consciousness.
And it's basically mad.
We would say it's insane.
But it's not stupid in the sense that it knows how reality works, and it knows how to manipulate it, and that's what it's done.
And it knows how the human mind works because it's created it, so therefore it's a genius at manipulating human perception.
But anything that goes beyond into consciousness can override that.
It can.
I mean, this this consciousness which goes under various names, I mean
Christianity will call it the devil or Satan, Islam will call it Shaitan or Iblis, the Gnostics
call it the entity the Demiurge or Yaldabaoth.
There's many various names but like I say you look at what they're describing, take the name away,
you look at what they're describing and they're describing the same thing.
And And so we have this state of consciousness.
Now, the Native Americans, you mentioned it, the Native Americans have a name for this as well.
In fact, the Cree tribal people in the north of the United States and into Canada call it Wetiko, and they call it a mind virus.
That's a very good description.
And so what it's trying to do is to shut out expanded consciousness.
So that it can create a perceptual belief system among the lowest levels of that consciousness.
For instance, I've described many times the analogy of someone sitting at a computer The person sitting at the computer with the mouse and the keyboard, that is symbolic of expanded levels of consciousness.
The computer is the biological computer, the body.
And the idea is to disconnect that level, the computer level, from expanding levels of consciousness. It goes deeper than
that, but that will do as an initial description. And so what happens when you have what they
call a computer virus is eventually, first of all, it's the computer starting to act funny.
It's not reacting to consciousness, the keyboard and the mouse.
And eventually it is so taken over by the computer virus that it just goes its own way.
And you can bang the keyboard and bang the mouse.
Nothing, there's no impact upon it at all.
It's gone completely its own way.
And that is the situation that this consciousness and its expressions in form, reptilian, whatever, is done to humanity.
And so awakening Awakening is why people suddenly see things they weren't seeing before, is to heal that gap, to bridge that gap, so that consciousness starts to impact again upon the biological computer, and starts to impact on its perception, thus its behavior, thus its awareness, and the rest is history if you go on in that direction.
But of course the idea of this uh manipulative force is to make sure that doesn't happen and you stay in the matrix you stay in the simulation because then you're you are continuing to be a source of of energy and the reason this force um
needs low vibrational energy, low vibrational emotion based on fear and anxiety and depression and all these things.
Resentment and hatred and regret is because it itself by its very nature is a low vibrational phenomenon.
It's in a low vibrational state because any Well, this is well known in even mainstream science now, for people that have studied this.
Every time we think, every time we feel, we're generating a frequency.
And the frequency relates to the nature of the thought and the nature of the emotion.
So, love, happiness, joy are high frequencies.
That's not really good for this consciousness, because Never the twain shall meet.
But if you are feeling fear and depression, I mean, what do they talk about?
They talk about, I'm frozen with fear.
What does that mean?
It's a slow, dense vibration.
And so are all these other emotional states.
So what it needs is for this simulation and the events that are set up to generate that state of perception, that state of emotion.
So you're generating the energy that it can absorb and gain sustenance from.
So, you know, there was a guy, I'm sure you've well heard of him, called Robert Monroe,
who, he basically popularized the outer body experience.
Some people call it astral traveling or whatever.
Astral projection.
And he took it to a level that the CIA got interested.
And he was part of a CIA experiment or study involving the military as well.
It's called the Gateway Project or Gateway, whatever the full name was, it was called the Gateway.
And they were looking at subjects People that had shown aptitudes for this astral projection, being able to project themselves, their consciousness into the astral realm, which is interpenetrating this one very close.
And they saw and experienced so many reptilian entities in that astral state that they used to call them the alligators in the Gateway Project.
That was the name they gave for them because there were so many of them.
And what Robert Monroe said is that in one of his astral projections, he was told, and this is fitting perfectly with what I've been writing over the years, although I didn't know about this until a lot more recently.
He said that he came across an entity in this astral realm that said that The force that was manipulating human reality was feeding off human energy.
And that's a common theme.
I mean, you go through the different cultures and ancient accounts, and they'll tell you that that's exactly what they're talking about.
This feeding, this vampiring of human energy.
The name that was given in the Monroe Project to this low vibrational energy was Loosh.
We gave it the name Loosh.
And from that point of view, this reality we're experiencing is a Loosh farm.
And coming back around to the theme of these series of shows you're doing, to get the right level of Loosh, i.e.
the right frequency, You have to manipulate the population into the right perceptual state that will generate that frequency.
And that's what this reality is all about.
They're not bothered why you're fighting a war as long as you are.
They're not bothered why you're suffering so long as you are.
They're not bothered why you are in deprivation, as much of the world is, so long as you are.
They're not bothered why you're frightened so long as you are, or anxious so long as you are.
And so they're constantly setting up these situations.
Uh, to, uh, to generate this, this loosh.
And this global cultures, I call it, this global network of secret societies, which is fiercely compartmentalized, you know, only the inner core knows the real big picture of all this.
Um, it is representing within the human realm of visible light, the interests of this consciousness.
Um, and The reason that when I have researched these famous people making decisions that are dictating the direction of the world over these decades, invariably I've come across Satanism and I've come across pedophilia and those two are connected.
And then you go back to the ancients and they were They were making human sacrifices to the gods, often young virgins, in other words, children, sacrifices to the gods.
And then you go, well, now, of course, at one time, it was acceptable to make sacrifices to the gods.
But as humanity started to get a bit more consciousness, it became unacceptable.
So it went underground.
But today, these These cultists, in all their different forms, and people like Epstein are expressions of this, gophers but expressions of what I'm talking about, they are still doing satanic ritual and satanic sacrifice to the same gods.
I'm sure we can get into, you know, this astral realm, which is actually not outside of the simulation.
It's part of it.
Very important when you're talking about reincarnation.
What's that all about?
You are looking at the Greek pantheon of gods.
You're looking at the Hindu endless pantheon of gods.
Well, Jeff, you're looking at the Great White Brotherhood of New Age belief.
All these different versions of the gods, I say, are part of this same sequence where, from the unseen, they're manipulating human society.
And in terms of reincarnation, you know, I I've seen enough evidence over the years to convince me reincarnation is real, not reincarnation of the body, reincarnation of consciousness.
And this was my thought, okay, this is a simulation and for that reason it's not a very nice place.
I mean, if you live in the West and you're making a few bob, you're making a few quid, you might think, okay, you know, this is not a bad life.
But for the overwhelming vast majority of the eight billion we're told are now with us, it's a terrible frickin' life where every day is seeking to survive another day.
Enormous numbers of people are in a state of extreme deprivation and constantly trying to survive.
So it's not a place that you'd actually say, oh yeah, I'm going there for me holidays.
No.
So my question then was, so I can understand why consciousness might be enticed through trickery into this reality, into this simulation, thinking it's real, once.
But why the hell would they come back?
Right.
You'd leave, you'd go, I'm not going back there, it's horrible!
So why did they?
And this is what brought me into this reincarnation cycle.
See, the idea is that you have to have life after life after life in this reality to learn lessons, to reach a state of enlightenment so you don't have to be on the cycle anymore.
I think that's nonsense.
I think that's absolute claptrap.
And what we've got is two levels of the simulation designed, one is designed to be the major source of Loosh, and the other is designed to keep people coming in and out of the major producer of Loosh, which is that human world.
And so you have to keep them in the loop.
And to do that, when they leave the body, they're met by spiritual masters, or what they perceive as past loved ones, or different figures that are loving.
You know, people who believe in reincarnations, they say they've had many lives.
They say that when they've had a near-death experience, they say, when I left the body, it was a love I've never felt before.
And you go, well, you believe in reincarnation, right?
Yeah.
So you've kind of been here many times.
Yeah.
So why are you saying you've never felt it before?
Obviously, you've felt it lots of times.
Right.
Crucial, and I go into this in the dream, crucial to this stage, this human stage, is your mind is white, your AI mind is white.
Right.
As you come in, so basically you're starting again, which leads to this question.
Okay, if we're here to learn lessons and kind of evolve, well why don't we forget the lessons we already learned or whatever?
It's ridiculous.
And the idea is to keep you in a situation where outside of the body, in what we call the spirit world, which is actually another part of the simulation, as opposed to the infinity beyond the simulation, you have to believe that you've got to keep coming back to evolve.
So This is what your spiritual masters are telling you.
Now, what I've done for The Dream and my previous book, The Trap, is look at near-death experiences, accounts in detail, I've read endless numbers of them over the years, and to look at those people, and the ones I've quoted I think are absolutely genuine, who say they have a memory of the pre-life state, the pre-incarnate state, if you like.
And when you put all this together, there's a very technological feel about the way, about what they describe in the outer body state.
Particularly as you're coming into incarnation, they're describing very technological things.
It's not kind of spiritual.
No, it's technological.
Because I say that this whole simulation is being driven by AI.
Just as this world now, this human world, is increasingly being controlled by AI,
all the decision making and all the tinkering is being done by AI.
So the whole simulation is being controlled by AI, but it's an astral AI that's behind it.
And what we're seeing is that astral AI coming more and more obvious, seeable, tangible in our reality.
And the reason why we're not seeing gaps in the playing out of this AI system Whereby, you know, people say, okay, well, you know, we've reached this point of technological knowledge, so we can't take it on to the next level of control until someone's invented the technology that can do it.
No, no, it just plays out one after the other, and it's getting faster and faster, as you can see.
It's because it already exists!
it's coming out of this astral realm into our reality. That's why there's no gaps and that's
why it's getting faster because the more control you get, the more you can impose more control.
It's like the more you centralize power, the more power you have at the center to centralize even
So centralization of power has got quicker and quicker and quicker for this reason.
And it's the same with AI.
The more AI control you get, the quicker you can play it out because the ability of people to resist it gets less and less the more that you play it out.
But in the end, and this is why I keep going on and on and on about it all these years, is that if people become conscious, they become aware of the situation they're in, then they can go beyond it.
They can override it.
But if you don't do that, then you're in the world, you're in the simulation, and you are of the simulation, because this is part of the simulation.
It's attaching us to the simulation field, like attaching a computer to a Wi-Fi field.
And we're decoding the simulation from this field in exactly the same way, in principle, as a computer decodes Wi-Fi onto the screen, into a very different form than it is in the Wi-Fi field.
We are decoding this reality, this holographic reality, from the information field of the simulation.
And once you realize, once you become aware, consciously aware of what this is, it stops having its power over you.
And for instance, we talk about mind manipulation here.
I've tried this on people many, many times over the years.
If you show people a subliminal advertisement or a subliminal picture whereby there's something in it, just looks like a picture, but there's something in it that's subliminal, Subliminal, below threshold, below the threshold of the conscious mind to see it, thus it's speaking to your subconscious and impacting your conscious awareness and your conscious decisions, hence subliminal advertisements, but you're not consciously aware of it, so you don't see it.
And then you point out where it is.
There's the subliminal.
Oh yeah, I never saw that!
Well, what happens from that moment on, every single time that person sees that picture again, the subliminal is the first thing they see.
Because what's happened is you've taken it out of the subconscious into the conscious mind, and thus you are aware of it.
And it's exactly the same principle I'm talking about in terms of this.
I call it the dream because it is a dream.
The simulation is a dream, but it's an induced dream.
It's feeding you information Which if you are not aware that it's doing that, you're not aware of how it works, you're simply dreaming the dream you're being given to dream.
And it's all non-conscious, because you're not conscious of the fact that it's a dream.
But once you are, once you become aware of what this is, how it works, it loses its power over you.
And that's the the real level of the rabbit hole where this can be turned around.
Because if we go on in the alternative media and great chunks of it do, I mean, great what they do.
I mean, you know, the names, dates, places, manipulation, Personalities, organisations.
I do all that.
I've done all that.
It needs to be done.
But if we stay there, we're poking around in the symptoms and we're not getting to the cause which, if overridden, will bring the house of cards down.
Wow, that's absolutely brilliant explanation.
But you believe as well, I mean we'll wrap it up here soon, but you believe as well that some particulate matter, potentially something that conducts electricity, is in the vaccine which will home the person in, so to increase control over them in order to make them a loose producer and lock them in to this loose firm.
Does that make any sense?
Yeah, it makes absolute sense.
It's exactly what I'm saying.
Because you've still got the... See, the thing that you learn about this non-human force is that it's terrified.
We're all powerful.
Yeah, okay.
You trying to convince me or you?
It's terrified of Humanity awakening to the game, because without control of human perception, there is no Loosh.
There is no simulation to produce the Loosh.
Because this is just a dream.
You know, people say, how do we get out of the simulation?
We stop believing in it.
You realise what it is, and you realise that if you stop believing in it, you stop being enslaved by it.
There was a guy, he was a comedian, I knew him actually, he was a lovely bloke, called Oh, what was his name?
Larry Grayson.
Larry Grayson.
And he was a comedian some years ago now, he's died now.
And I went to his funeral and another comedian called Roy Hudd told a story that Larry had told him.
And I listened to it and I thought, God, does that sum up where we are?
And even more, and the more I've understood about the simulation and the dream and how we're holding it together by believing in it.
Believe me, it's real.
He said that, Larry, he said that they were going around up the last vestiges of what were called the Music Hall, the variety theatres in Britain.
And he said they had an all-male show because Larry used to dress up as a woman and do all that stuff.
And he said the finale of the show was all the other cast came on the stage dressed as sailors.
And they were singing Rule Britannia.
And then they started climbing on each other's shoulders and they formed a pyramid on the stage.
And then Larry Grayson would come on dressed as Britannia.
And he'd get manhandled up the pyramid to the top for the big finish with the sword and the helmet and all that stuff.
And he said, one night, things seemed to be going rather well, he said.
He said, then I noticed that someone on the bottom left-hand corner of the pyramid had got rather a cough.
And this guy started coughing more and more, and eventually he couldn't stand in the pyramid anymore.
And he walked forward, coughing his guts out.
And what happened?
The pyramid collapsed and Larry Grayson, symbolic of the peak of the pyramid elite, was in the second row.
Because one sailor, oh I'm nothing I am, I'm just a sailor, just a, just a, just a, you know, kind of an extra, had got a cough.
And it's, it's, it's symbolic that of when you stop believing in the dream, You stop holding it together.
You stop being part of it.
And at that point, it starts to lose its power.
Because it's our focus of attention, our belief in it, that's actually the cement that's holding it together.
It's the vibrational frequency cement that's holding it together.
Once we stop believing in it, it's over.
And that's why I'm really going for this theme in this book and the last one, The Trap, because this is where the whole thing can unravel by understanding where it is now and what it is.
Now, there are people on the periphery of the alternative media People like Russell Brand and people like Joe Rogan and stuff like that.
Those sort of people who are talking about the symptom level, if you like.
Take Russell Brand, he's not banned from anything.
Not banned from anything.
And he goes on mainstream programs in America, goes on mainstream programs in Britain.
Not banned from anything.
But as you said at the start, I'm banned from 26 European countries.
I'm banned from Australia.
I'm censored all over the place.
And what has happened in Britain is that they've gone from ridiculing me, which they've done over the decades, to ignoring me.
And once they start to ignore you, you know you're starting to have an effect because they know that ridicule is not working.
They know that demonization is not really working among people who are in any way awake.
And so they just ignore you and hope you'll go away.
The point I'm making, however, is it's these deeper levels that we're talking about that they're really terrified of.
Because they know that is the key to unraveling the whole game.
Whereas if they can keep you on the symptom level, then they'd rather you weren't talking about it.
You would rather you wouldn't see it at all.
But we can get away with that.
As long as they don't see where it's actually coming from and how it's the population that's holding it together.
And so that's a reason why the censorship of me I mean, it's ridiculous.
I'm invited to speak at a peace rally in Amsterdam for 20 minutes, half an hour.
And within a few days, I'm banned from 26 European countries.
It's ridiculous.
But it's ridiculous because they're frightened.
They don't, they're terrified of this information getting into widespread circulation and being seen to be valid.
And this is the reason, you know, they are desperate.
If you look at this global cult, the human level of it, if you like, partly human anyway, which is your Gates's and your Klaus Schwab's and all these bloody people.
And you're Henry Kissinger's over a long period of time, all this, all this, these people.
And if you look at this demonic level, which is actually driving that, that cult, they're the gods they worship.
They are always trying to control the outcome of anything before the sequence starts.
Because they are terrified of outcomes they can't control.
And so if they were involved in a football match, they would not be at ease controlling one team because they couldn't control the outcome before the kickoff because there's another team they're not controlling.
So what they want to do in a football match analogy is to control both teams and the referee to ensure they know the score before the game starts.
And if you look at the way this cult works, they're always trying to control all sides so they control the outcome.
Now, if you show me a control freak, I'll show you someone who is deeply insecure.
Because insecure people need to control everything.
Secure people don't.
They're quite happy with states of flux and happy with people just getting on with their lives and doing their thing so long as it doesn't get forced on you.
But that's not the case with this mentality, which is both the demonic and the cult, which is also They have to control everything because of their deep insecurity, because of this terror of humanity waking up and the whole house of cards coming down.
And that's why they're terrified of the kind of information we've been talking about.
Wow, David, that was a great interview, and everybody can get the book.
It is just arriving, I believe, or is it in...?
Yeah, it's in the United States now, and North America now, and so if people order it from davideye.com, it will be sent to them from within the United States or from within North America, so they won't be waiting for it to come from Britain.
David, thank you very much for the interview.
Big thanks from everybody that's listening.
I mean, you're a legend, David, and you really have hit your stride with this last book and that explanation.
You connected a lot of dots in my head as I was just learning here for the past hour.
So, thank you very much, and we really appreciate your work.
Thank you very much.
It's been a pleasure talking to you.
Bye.
Thank you.
There's a lot of things that I've said over the years, which were perceived to be crazy.
and then suddenly they start to move mainstream.
I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.
What is real?
How do you define real?
If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
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