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July 13, 2023 - David Icke
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Never Give Up And You Will Get There - Give Up And It's Over - David Icke Dot-Connector Videocast
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France, the Titan, is in the green room.
Hands down the most iconic, you'll have to excuse the pun there, and legendary figure in the movement to awaken humankind.
A former footballer and sportscaster, David Icke is truly the grandfather of truth and disclosure, as well as the... and God, he must get so fed up with hearing that... as well as the understanding of frequency.
and the vibrational universe.
The reason why I love this man so very much is because he's managed to hit that sweet spot between absolute truth and disclosure and revelation, tearing the mask off the proverbial devil, whilst at the same time elucidating on the perfection of everything in the hologram, so to speak, and that it's all here to serve our emancipation, our spiritual enlightenment.
David has written over 20 books, spoken in 25 countries, and paved the way for all of us who came after him, including many of the speakers we've had on this show.
He's a sought-after public speaker, lecturer, father and grandfather.
Sought-after father and grandfather?
Okay, if you say so.
I say that to my producer.
He regularly speaks about some of our preferred topics, including infinite dimensions.
Different star races, Babylonian Brotherhood, so on.
David, and the rule tactics, and the relationship between 5G and COVID-19.
David has pretty much been at the vanguard of most, if not all, of these populist memes, which, when they began, were far from popular.
Now, we'll get into a couple of these more existential topics with him momentarily, but first, let's get to the current situation that has him banned from 26 countries.
Many of you I do recall that when we spoke with David last November, he'd been invited to speak at a peace rally in the Netherlands, and the Center for Information and Documentation, Israel, CIDI, accused him of being a, quote, Holocaust denier, and launched an action to overrule and prevent his arrival.
The judge agreed, of course he did, and refused him entry into the Netherlands, along with 25 other Schengen countries.
With the support of his very brilliant Dutch attorney, who is also here today and has spoken on AGN in the past, Jeroen Poels, David filed an appeal to the ban, and lo and behold, it turns out that the law which would justify it no longer exists.
Nevertheless, the persecution continues with zero legal basis.
So let me welcome the magnificent David Eick to AGN.
David, so happy to see you again.
Thank you, Sacha.
I tell you what, I thought when you were introducing me, I'm going to quit while I'm ahead.
We can only go down from here.
Very good.
You know Scotty Sachs.
Scotty?
David, good to see you again.
Hello, mate.
David, jumping straight in, first and foremost, how has this ban affected you and your family personally?
You're known for traveling and speaking around the world.
It's who you are.
It's what you do.
What have you been focusing on as this gets sorted out in the basement?
Well, I've always lived my life, especially on the journey since 1990 now, my goodness, On the basis of it is what it is.
So you can be faced with this, banned from 26 countries, more so banned from Australia, of course.
And you can go into victim mode and say, poor me.
Oh, my God, it's terrible.
How can they do it to me?
Or you can say, OK, can't go into Europe now, at least for two years, although it could be ongoing the way they work it.
So what are we going to do?
So what I've done is I've written another book.
It's called The Dream.
It goes deeper in the rabbit hole than I've ever been before.
There's information in the book that's never been written before.
And I'm going on a speaking tour of England, Scotland and Ireland and Wales starting in September.
And it's indicative of where we are, that even in my own country I am having to
hold back the exact location of the venues until 90 minutes before I speak to deprive the
people trying to silence me from having weeks and weeks to intimidate the venue.
So that's that's where we're at.
But in terms of its effect on me, it just makes you more determined.
You know, when the right people are trying to silence you, it's just a confirmation that you must be onto something.
So, you know, after all the experience I've had, I mean, they've been trying to silence me since 1994.
I've had venues cancelled since 1994, so you get used to it and you see it as a confirmation that you're on the right track.
But, you know, things have been... we'll see how it turns out, Sasha.
It's been a little bit different, the energy, the atmosphere in this latest hearing, as Jeroen will go into more detail about it, I'm sure, because the first hearing when my, you're quite right, terrific team in the Netherlands, Jeroen and Mordecai and Wilhelm, they have been supporting me since this whole thing started and trying to get it overturned.
And with the first hearing, well, the judge basically came in, was a district judge, No way he was ever going to go against the government.
He came in with a rubber stamp in his hand, you know, so I thought, oh, things don't look good.
And bang, it was that was away, even though the government produced no evidence, credible evidence to support what they've done.
But this one, it was three women judges and the main judge.
I was kind of getting a bit higher in the chair.
I'm on Zoom from England, obviously.
One even let me in to support myself in the case.
But she started asking these, absolutely compared with the first one, forensic questions.
And the government lawyer who thought he was on a, you know, another rubber stamp had no answer to them, which was quite interesting.
And then shortly afterwards, Jeroen told me, and Mordecai told me, that the judge had been in touch to say that she'd established – where were you first, judge, by the way?
– that actually the law that they had massively misinterpreted on purpose to justify the ban was changed, I think it was in March, and it no longer applied.
And she said to the government, explain yourself.
And what's happened, this is the up to date situation, is that they've come back.
I mean, the lawyer must be bewildered.
What?
What do you mean?
The judge is asking us questions?
And they came back with just a repeat of what they said in court, which was nothing.
And interestingly, I mean, it's it's almost it's almost funny.
You've got to laugh and you cry.
The initial reason, you rightly say in the introduction, to get me banned was to say I'm an anti-Semite and a reaction to me being an anti-Semite could damage public order.
And the Justice Minister Use parliamentary privilege in the Dutch Parliament to call me, quote, a Jew hater.
Now, in this latest case where Mordecai, a Jewish man, is leading the campaign to get a ban overturned, the government lawyer said, oh, we're not saying he's an anti-Semite.
We're saying that it could be construed by others than he is.
I mean, you've got to laugh.
And of course, the Russia government has just resigned, although it's going to continue in a caretaker capacity.
One wonders how much your case may have to do with that.
Actually, you probably, you know, one of the core tap roots in the government's corruption is going to have been, will have been your case.
Interested to know.
Jeroen, welcome.
Jeroen Pols, the audience know and love you.
Thank you for joining us today and thank you for all that you're doing to help our Titan, David.
But what is your sense of this pantomime taking place in the judiciary in Holland?
Yes, David gave a good summary of what we went through there.
What we see with David is a travesty.
But in the first place, it is a symptom.
They are losing control over the narrative.
And they are doubling down, trying to save what's there to save.
But why did they refuse David?
It was because there would be concrete indications that David would pose a threat to public order.
And they deducted this because of his attitude and the purpose why he would be coming and the context in which he wanted to give his lecture.
So everything was really about stopping him from giving a lecture.
There came some documents out right now, just last week, because we have this, how do you say this in English, this law of transparency, so they have to publicize what you What you request for and it came out that this was a setup from the security services together with the CD, which you already.
Which you already just said.
And another Jewish, the central Jewish organization, they together, they went with the minister together and some politicians together.
They construed this story that he would be the Jewish population in the Netherlands.
It would be that there would be Uncomfortable by him being there.
And there's another thing why they refused him and this is the new narrative and it's the narrative of the anti-institutional extremists, which we all are.
What that is, is they are saying you are allowed to criticize politicians, but only within a certain frame.
You are not allowed to go out there.
So it must be acceptable criticism, which is contrary to the European Court of Human Rights.
What is acceptable criticism?
We need to know this definition.
It is that you are allowed to criticize within the system.
Of course, like everything, there is no precise definition.
But you can compare it with the situation in the German Democratic Republic.
You are allowed to criticize, you are allowed to debate within borders, borders set by the state.
But at the moment it goes further and you are saying the politicians, they are harming the population on purpose.
This is not allowed because with that, Even if what you're saying is not sedition or incitement, still, you could inspire people to take action.
And this is the next level of censorship.
The point I made as well, how can you criticize politicians?
For example, Rutte, he's responsible for the 1,400 children missing in the Netherlands.
It's a fact and we take him responsible for that.
This kind of criticism will not be allowed anymore because just by saying that you could inspire others to take action and this is not allowed.
Understood.
OK, so pejorative statements have to be substantiated before.
David, you know, a churlish question, but one that's actually got a serious undercurrent to it.
If in the court they and I thought about this before your court case, I was just thinking the antics of judges in courtrooms and prosecutors to try to to try to trip up folks like you is legendary.
Had they said to you something along the lines of, do you believe that the Dutch Queen is a shape-shifting reptile, for instance, and that's a serious question, what would you, and you're on oath, what would you, or maybe a shape-shifting reptile, and you're on oath, what would your answer be in a court of law?
I'd say yes.
Good, good for you.
I was asked by Andrew Neil, This BBC, then anyway, interviewer on a live BBC current affairs show, if I still believe that the British Thrall family were what you've just said, I said, yes.
Well, you know, I'm not messing about.
I'm not making it up.
That's what my research indicates to me.
And this is an interesting point, you know, Sasha.
You know, when I started coming out with this, I think 1996, it really started coming into my life.
And a book called The Biggest Secret I wrote in 97, 98 was when I went public with it for the first time.
The reaction was, he's mad, he's a nutter, right?
Okay, fair enough, I do understand why you're saying that, but there is actually more to it than he says reptiles run the world.
But what's happened in this case, as Jeroen will confirm, is suddenly the fact that I'm saying that That's become an issue in regard to whether I'm allowed into the Netherlands and of course the Schengen area in general.
And what I found in the latest government document presented to the court to be incredibly sinister, and this is where it's going, is that it said that, you know, I'm saying that these, the elite are shape-shifting reptiles and, this is the sinister bit, people in the Dutch Parliament are indicating or saying the same, as if
Well, they're elected representatives.
They can say what they bloody like.
It's none of your business.
But they're making it their business.
What people can say, elected people can say in a parliament is now subject to the same or they're moving towards the same level of censorship.
You can't say that.
And I found it interesting that this whole reptilian thing has suddenly become an issue in terms of why the government is saying that I'm banned.
And, you know, we are moving, you know, Sasha.
I mean, I know, you know, you've been into this a long time.
We are.
And I was on the Alex Jones Show a couple of days ago and we did a two hour interview where I'm really going into all these deep, deep rabbit hole levels.
But more and more people are becoming open to this.
They are.
And this is what's concerning the authorities.
Because while the reaction is, oh, he's just a nutter.
And it still is with all the asleep people around the world that never look anywhere further than the BBC or whatever.
But more and more people are.
And this is definitely becoming a concern to them.
It's a huge concern, for sure.
And what you opened the can to decades ago is genetically, epigenetically, genealogically, archaeologically, is proving out.
In every single way, shape and form, it's proving out.
The latest big meme, of course, has corrected history.
Forget flat Earth, round Earth bullshit, but when you get into the fact that history has been reset a multiplicity of times, epochal, the mud floods and all of the
ancient Tartaria, the rise of the Kaza all of that. It's all
now beginning to come into focus David on the back of what
you were doing with your groundbreaking years ago and it
must feel it must feel pretty fantastic. Well, I'll tell you
what um feels really good is that um the more far out stuff
that I've been going on about the stuff that's attracted all
the people and all the abuse um is now seeping in to um not
exactly the mainstream but certainly it's seeping into the
alternative uh arena more and more because you know when you
uh look at the the The way that people's perception is manipulated.
One of the greatest foundation parts of that is to program a sense of the possible.
Because if you can limit people's perception of the possible, then when they, when I say they, I mean this global cult as I talk about, is operating in how they're manipulating humanity and what they're doing outside of the public's perception of the possible, then when you come out, you know, as we do and say, This is happening and this is happening that sense of the possible among the general population immediately by reflex action says that's ridiculous that's not possible that's insane so if you can squeeze the sense of the possible it's a wonderful um defense mechanism for people seeing exactly what you're doing and so to do that you have to um suppress
The awareness of the nature of reality itself, the reality that we're experiencing, the reality of what the body is, the reality of what the apparent external world is.
And that's what they've done.
Now, you know, you can within the alternative media just focus.
And to be fair, most of it does.
On the political and financial level of the manipulation, is this president going to be part of the globalists or is he not?
Well, my answer to that is always, well, is he president?
If you only stay there, and I think I don't know if you feel this, Sasha, but I've been observing the alternative media for a while from this perspective, and especially since since Covid.
And it seems to me that there are people that have moved in who were saying nothing before.
And now suddenly they're experts who are what I call here, but no further people.
They will talk about stuff that they don't think is going to get them ridiculed, but they won't go any further.
And I do feel that the alternative media is being infiltrated.
Many of the people who are infiltrating it don't realize that's what they're doing.
And it's like a barricade being built around it.
And on the barricade, it says here, but no further.
Right.
People like you and me and others don't see barricades.
We just want to know what's bloody going on, no matter how far out and fantastic it is.
And so we are exploring all these areas about reality and about the manipulation of human society outside the world of the scene.
that the authorities, the cult, absolutely don't want us to go.
Because once you go there and you see how it works, the understanding of the world of the scene just absolutely
explodes.
Oh, that's how they're doing it.
And so it's a time when we have to keep pursuing the cutting edge,
which I do in this book, The Dream, big time.
So that we can understand the mechanisms in the unseen that are leading to the establishment of the dystopia in
the scene.
Beautifully stated.
Scotty Sachs, you've got the next question.
David, a few quick comments before my question.
First of all, I learned a little something about anti-Semitism from my Holocaust-surviving grandparents and aunt and uncle.
They taught me a little about it, and I observed it firsthand sitting in Art Linkletter's office with Sammy Davis Jr.
Hollywood couldn't be more anti-Semitic at times.
So I say to you it's pure projection.
You already knew that.
They're projecting Anti-Semitism onto you.
It's a convenient tool for them.
Shapeshifting and reptile stuff, it's all coming out the Antarctica.
It's all coming to the surface.
You know, you have to feel some vindication.
Thirdly, I would rather buy a book from a guy who's been banned from 26 countries and won 26 Pulitzer Prizes.
So I can assure you, The book is on order, but I want to ask about your book.
Come on, cough it up.
Give us a couple of golden nuggets from your new book.
Well, I don't want to give too much away because I'm a dot connector.
And to you know, this is one of the things about shapeshifting reptilians.
You you are reported to say that reptilians are on the world and, you know, there's shapeshifting reptilians and stuff.
And that's where it ends.
And because it ends there with one dot, people say that's crazy.
But then when people see how the dots connect and all the massive evidence Which explains how shape-shifting is possible.
And it absolutely is.
People say you can't go from a solid body to another solid body and then go back again.
You can't.
And I'm saying, you know, you're right.
You can't.
But this is the point.
The body is not solid.
This world is not solid.
I think quantum physics can show you that.
So it's if you leave the background out.
And only put the one line, if you like.
It can sound crazy, and that's why I write the books, to connect the dots and add all the stuff that doesn't normally get heard.
But let's just say that this reality is like a projection.
It's like a projected Wi-Fi field.
Of information, a simulated Wi-Fi field, obviously, which we computer like.
I say this is a biological computer.
I've been saying this since the 1990s.
And the thing to to that people need to grasp, I suggest, is that we look at the world and we make a distinction between the technological and the natural.
And what I'm saying is that this body, body brain, etc.
is the equivalent of a headset in a virtual reality game.
Now, you are playing a virtual reality game.
You've got the headset on and you're in an empty room.
But you're thrashing around and screaming because the information being delivered to you by the headset is delivering your perceptions and your response to those perceptions.
But being a headset, you can take the headset off and you go, whoa, it's just a game.
Now what if the body brain is the equivalent to consciousness of a headset which you can't take off?
What if you came in the womb with a headset on?
You came out into the world and your parents had headsets on.
You go to school and all the teachers and your mates had headsets on.
You watch the news and someone with a headset on says, hello, good evening and welcome, here is the news.
And then you go to university and professors with letters after the name says, I have got headsets on telling you what reality is.
And everywhere you go, politicians or the Prime Minister is going to make a statement.
Oh, you've got a headset on and you have this headset on from cradle to grave.
What is going to dictate your perception of reality?
Whatever the headsets feeding you.
And my point is, as I go into in detail in the dream, Is that I say that the body biological computer and where I was quickly going earlier is that to this force, this non human force that I talked about all these years operating outside of the scene, which means, you know, outside of the narrow band that we can see.
The biological is a form of technological.
To them, it's a form of technology.
This is why you have people like Moderna in their documents talking about the COVID fake vaccine as an operating system.
This is how they're working.
They know what the body is.
It's passed on through the cult secret society network and these networks.
So if we are looking at the difference between the technological and the natural, OK, what have you got to compare the natural with?
Because the headset is feeding you reality.
So what are you comparing natural with to show that it's natural?
All you're doing is comparing it with the technological.
But all of those things are happening within this simulated reality.
And so We have nothing to compare these things with.
And so we're in a world where everything is generated in this Wi-Fi computer decoded way.
and we have nothing to compare it with.
So look at things like joy and love.
Okay, I've always said that most of humanity is perceiving happiness by their level of unhappiness.
If they're less unhappy than they were before, then they take that to be unhappy now.
But what have we got to compare it with?
The only way you can do that is to experience joy and love in other dimensions of reality, or to experience visually other levels of reality where, quote, natural exists.
And then you can compare what's going on here, but currently we don't have that.
And so for me, the biological computer is a program, it's a software program.
And if you do not introduce consciousness to override the program, this is where the mavericks come
from, this is where the people that can see and those that don't
see come from.
If you don't expand into consciousness that can override the program,
then the program will dictate your life.
It will dictate your entire life.
I would say to the point where if no consciousness is involved at all, then when you arrive in the world, the time you're going to leave is already known.
And so what the whole of this conspiracy is about is separating consciousness from the body biological computer program.
So the program runs behavior, perception, everything, and consciousness is excluded.
And what's happening, this is what awakening is.
What's happening is more and more people are opening their minds, what I call,
I say it's a form of AI, the mind.
People say in the spiritual arena, what you've got to do to become conscious is get beyond mind.
And what I explore and ask in the dream is, so what the bloody hell is this mind that we've got to get over then?
It's the program!
That's the point!
And so, when you're awakening, what you're doing is you're going beyond that mind, that barrier, that perceptual barrier, into consciousness.
And suddenly, whoa!
Why didn't I see this before?
Because the mind was running the program, was running your life before.
This is what awakening is.
It's awakening from the program.
Beautiful, David.
Of course, a little ayahuasca along the way doesn't hurt either.
I don't know if you know my brother-in-arms, Scott McKay, the patriot, street fighter, honcho, but rather than risk a tomahawk in the back of my head, I'm going to bring him on to say hi to you and ask any questions he may have of you.
I love you, brother.
I unmuted too, by the way, all by myself.
David, it's a pleasure to finally get a chance to meet you on a show here.
It's amazing what you've been doing in the world when nobody else would do it.
Even if they knew it, they wouldn't have the balls that you have to say it.
You know, and the interesting thing I've learned as of late, and Sasha and I have talked about this extensively recently, is if you have The balls to hit these people right where it counts and you seem very dangerous and unstoppable That's when they look at their friends and say shit.
This isn't working.
We got a nuke him right now Anti-semite as soon as that happens every everything comes apart.
That's how they stop people in their tracks.
So just listening to you It just cracked me up.
I'm like, yep, that's exactly how they do it.
Nothing else may work But once they throw that at you Put the brakes on.
Unfortunately, you know, what this looks appears to me, obviously, is this whole the whole shit show, the global shit show is the Vatican straight, straight jacket of the legal system that they drive us into these parameters.
So just very quickly, they've been calling me an anti-Semite, you know, since 1994.
And you're still alive.
Yeah, I know.
But what you'll notice now, and this this is what I've been trying to get across.
There is the Jewish community, and there is a network, Sasha knows all about this, a network, a secret society network, that actually hates Jewish people, but poses as them, and it's called the Sabbatean cult, I call it, Sabbatean Frankism, whatever.
And what they do, these are the ones that run Mossad, these are the ones that run the Israeli government, these are the ones that run the Anti-Defamation League, and all these people around the world, you've seen a version of it already in the Netherlands, It was a similar organization, the Anti-Defamation Commission.
Man and a dog organization!
The number of Jewish people in Australia, compared with the general population, is so tiny.
I mean, you know, the dial doesn't move.
But it still was one of these organizations in Australia that got revamped in Australia.
But it wasn't A Jewish organization, it was a Sabbatean organization.
And what they're doing now is exploiting Jewish people in the most disgraceful way, by making them frightened, which means they're controllable and they look to others to protect them.
And what they're doing is expanding and expanding and expanding the definition of anti-semitism.
They've already expanded the official definition of anti-semitism, which includes criticism of Israel, which is being taken on by government after government all over the world.
But now they're linking anti-semitism to the word globalism.
Well, globalists.
So they're saying, when you say globalists and globalism, what is that?
That's just people that support the centralization of global power and the end of countries, basically.
Then you're an anti-Semite because it's an anti-Semitic trope, this thing they roll out.
And what they're doing is saying, look, when we mention the Holocaust, People get a natural revulsion in their belly and they have a horror feeling.
But what we're gonna do is we're gonna exploit that emotional reaction by targeting people we want to silence.
And we're going to call them anti-semitic because we know that anti-semitism, Nazis, concentration camps, that revulsion, that natural revulsion is going to be triggered in people by that.
And as Jeroen will confirm, I wasn't there, but The level of abuse and demonization of me by the media and the great swathes of public in the Netherlands when they gave me this label over this case was just really fantastic.
But this is what they're doing.
And so therefore, the more that they can expand the definition of anti-Semitism into more and more things that are absolutely in people that are not referencing Jewish people at all, the more reasons they can accrue to silence people.
That's why they're doing it.
I mean, when you get to the point, I mentioned this in an interview recently, where I was speaking in Maastricht.
Of course, I've spoken in the Netherlands many times, no problem, over many years, back to the 90s.
And I spoke in Maastricht and it started, we can't let him speak in Maastricht, it's He's anti-Semitic and all that stuff, and the local paper there quoted a Jewish man saying, if David Icke is allowed to speak in Maastricht, I fear for my life.
Now that is the level of exploitation of Jewish fear that this actually non-Jewish Sabbatean cult That's why it's being done.
It's nothing to do with Jewish people actually.
It's to do with silencing people or exposing the agenda overall, which is what this banning of me in the Netherlands was all about.
I think the problem here, it's all just one comment on Sasha and I'll let it back to you.
The problem isn't them using that tactic.
The problem is our side saying, oh, it worked on me.
That's our problem.
When people, you know, as soon as something, I don't care what it is, when our side has
always had that problem.
If somebody attacks them on something that's uncomfortable, they surrender.
Their white flag goes up.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I mean, the thing is, mate, my philosophy is the more they try to stop me, the faster I run at them.
And once you say, oh, no, no, I'm not anti-Semitic.
Some of my best friends are Jewish and all that stuff.
You're going into defensive mode.
I haven't got a racist or culturally biased cell in my body because I see us all as one consciousness having different experiences in different biological computers.
The biological computer is a vehicle, it's not an eye.
So it's the ultimate non-racist, non-cultural bias philosophy.
I'm not going to defend myself in terms of, oh, you can't say that about me.
My philosophy is you say what you bloody like about me, but I'm still coming.
Yeah, right.
And it's also indicative, anyway, of the of the civilizational schizophrenia that we suffer from.
I mean, the pedestrian Christian Christianity today is is abject idolatry.
Catholicism.
It's abject idolatry.
It's everything antithetical to the Living Gospel of the Living Master Jesus, if we want to go down that track.
But similarly, Judaism and what is it?
Well, the Crypto-Jewishness has co-opted and taken over.
We all know that.
And good Jews all around the world know that as well.
Good Jews in Tel Aviv know that, and are calling for a dissolution of the State of Israel, knowing that their mystical tradition was co-opted, and their entire culture was corrupted and co-opted.
But again, it's just symptomatic, is it not, of the great schizophrenia of our age.
Yeah, because you need, when you've got a population of 8 billion people, and by comparison with that, a very, very relative handful of people in full knowledge who are doing the manipulating, you have to divide and rule the 8 billion.
You have to do a number of things.
You have to have as many of that 8 billion as possible who are just nodding dogs and just do whatever you tell them and believe whatever you tell them.
Then you've got, if you can't completely mesmerize everyone, the next group you want is one that can see some of it, but is terrified of not doing what they're told, because they fear the consequences of what happens when you do that.
So those two groups, they're basically enslaved.
Then there's the third group, and Jeroen and the boys in In the Netherlands and you and me and everyone on this show and everyone I'm sure watching this show.
They are the ones in the third group who are seeing it and are not having it.
And that's where the focus is going now.
Right.
So you have silenced them with censorship.
That's as much as possible we can.
But they know that they're not going to censor everybody.
They can't censor everything.
So they go to the next stage, which is what we're now seeing.
What they do is they have a global digital currency, which is programmable, which means that they can dictate what it's used for and what it isn't.
You also have an expiry date on the currency eventually, so you have to spend it within a certain time or you lose it.
This means you can't build up savings and security.
And what you do then is you say, OK, if you go against the government, exactly what Jeroen is talking about in the Netherlands, because the Netherlands is a real laboratory for this, it really is.
What you do then is you say, OK, if you challenge the government, if you question the government, if you expose the government, then you're out of the system.
Your money is going to go.
Your ability to function in society is going to go.
That's why we're having all these people now in Britain who can't get a bank account if they say the wrong thing.
I've been banned from PayPal.
I don't even bloody use it.
Yeah.
And so this is what's going on.
And it's all targeting this third group, that that can see to an extent and further, and is not prepared to cooperate with what it sees.
And that's what this is really all about, collectively.
Indeed, indeed.
Jeroen, thank you for your patience, brother.
The appeal.
When is the appeal?
What do you as a professional, as the lead man, key man in this somewhat historic legal case, what do you expect?
And then I also want to know where can we draw attention to to contribute to David's legal war chest?
Yes, well we did the last three years more over 40 cases and the judicial system is broken you know it's really rotten to the core but we had a few cases where we won and the difference with the other cases is that there is a real interest from the side of the judges and we saw this in this case And also, as David just said, the law is still there but it was interpreted too wide and they changed this to prevent abuse like they did with David because they also abused it in other cases and so we were lucky
This on top for me nothing changed because the way they interpreted it it was unacceptable because a minister cannot decide which opinion is tolerable and which is not so in this case for us nothing changed but it's it is now very more clear so I think my estimate is that we have a very good chance and I say this Normally I would say yes we are going to win it but with our experiences we have to have some reservation.
So I think we are going to win because this went too far.
Will you be suing for damages?
Suing for damages in the Netherlands is always very difficult because you know Dutch people they are very tight and if they give compensation is always very small.
You have to prove what damage you have done, you have had and in this case well You know, I think that will be a hard part, but I think if we win this case, it's already a tremendous victory.
Not only for David, but also because if this case is not won, it will be an example and they are going to use that to ban people from Europe with different opinions which are not tolerated.
So in this case, if David wins, we all win.
Very good.
I agreed 100% on that.
Trust me, we're all watching this case for very obvious reasons.
The war chest.
Where and how can people contribute to the legal war chest?
Well, we are financed already.
We have still some, although we don't have a bank account anymore, as you know, they took it away from us as well.
But this case is already financed and if we manage, because there is another appeal possibility after this, but for this moment we are fine.
So everything is financed already.
Very good.
Jeroen, thank you very much for joining us today.
Much appreciated, brother.
Thank you.
David, what to say?
Reach through the screen.
Arms around you.
Biggest bear hug in the world.
Love you to death.
Thank you so much for everything you are.
Thank you.
And I just want to say, Jeroen there, he is an amazing man.
And Mordecai will help.
They have They challenged the government in court.
They challenged all the COVID laws over and over, and they lost.
They won some.
And then the ones they won, the government just changed the law, give them permission.
And there's people who think they're awake in the Netherlands who abuse these people.
And it's extraordinary.
They are amazing.
They were born renegades.
And I'd love to see, not just for me, but for them, I'd love to see us win this.
Indeed.
Well, best of luck, David.
We're all rooting for you.
And thank you for joining us today, brother.
Thanks, Sascha.
Always a pleasure.
Bye, everybody.
There's a lot of things that I've said over the years which were perceived to be crazy.
and then suddenly they start to move mainstream.
I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.
What is real?
How do you define real?
If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
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