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Hello, everybody.
This is Laura Eisenhower.
I'm here today with David Rodriguez and David Icke, two incredible individuals.
And I know a lot of people are very familiar with who you are, but a little bit of an intro.
David Icke, of course, The legend who has been at this for so long, really the pioneering force behind a lot of the Great Awakening and a greater understanding of who's really controlling the world, what it's going to take for us as humans to overcome these controlled forces.
He's a former professional soccer player and sports broadcaster and then became a very profound writer.
I have a bunch of your books still on the stand in our living room for when guests come over.
It's like, here's some nice reading material, everybody.
He's been a public speaker and has been sharing all sorts of stuff.
And then David Rodriguez, former co-host with me of Dark to Light.
He's on Nino's Corner, putting out a lot of amazing information,
is always just full of the warrior energy, former champion boxer,
and now just a champion for humanity.
So it's thrilling to be with both of you.
It's been a while.
David Rodriguez and David Icke, we all joined up about a year ago, right?
Talking about perception and the five senses.
And today, we're going to talk about New World Order, what we're up against.
And David, why don't you ask the first question for David Icke?
Yeah, absolutely.
David, first of all, thank you for joining us, man.
It's an honor.
It's an honor.
I absolutely have to give you tribute that you, along with some other personalities, Alex Jones, others, I know everyone has different opinions on these people, but you were definitely one of the first to wake me up.
So I want to give you, you know, pay homage to you on that aspect.
Um, I, I, I'd like to ask you, you know, we're in this fight for humanity.
It's obvious.
I mean, even normies are waking up now.
People are starting to wake up to the fact that all is not what it seems.
And especially now with the politics in America, everything happening in America,
uh, you know, we've got the Biden regime in there.
I want to get your outlook on all of this that's panning out for not only just America, for the entire globe right now.
It seems to me like the COVID of 2020, the stealing of the election, the whole thing, Was is part of this new world agenda and it's it seems to me like it's it's it's it's at a time now where it's coming to fruition But it is facing major resistance.
I I see resistance and I want to get your thoughts on that Well, given that I started out on this path in 1990, and I remember what it was like then, and I remember what it was like in the 1990s, and then through the millennium and on, until relatively recently, the awakening that is happening now, since the COVID cold was played, is staggering by comparison.
You know, I understand that people look at the situation now, or maybe relatively new to this, and they say, why aren't more people waking up?
Why can't they see it?
Well, they should have been with me in 1990, because there was virtually no one there.
It was very rare that anyone would be looking at this stuff, let alone in the public arena.
So we've made fantastic strides, but I think it's important to hold the big picture.
You know, even at the level of World Economic Forum, Bill Gates, COVID, And the climate change hoax, all these things, there's still little picture in the sense of where it's all coming from.
And, you know, I've been asking this question all along the last nearly 33 years now, where is it coming from?
Because If you can find out where it's coming from, you can go to the source and not be reacting to the symptoms of the source constantly.
Like all the fly apps, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, you're thinking, okay, well, I've swatted that fly.
Okay, I'll push back on that.
Oh, they're over here!
And in the end, what we're looking at Is to put it in its most simplistic state.
We're looking at two states of consciousness.
We're looking at a state of consciousness that wants the nice things to happen.
To have peace and respect and freedom of expression, freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of lifestyle.
I mean, I have a simple philosophy, do what you like so long as you don't impose it on anyone else.
It's when the imposing starts that I get interested.
And then you've got another state of consciousness, which is talked about by the religions, it's talked about by the ancient cultures, all the way through what we call history.
And it's a deeply inverted, distorted state of consciousness, which we would call evil.
What is evil?
In my definition, it's the absence of love, it's the absence of balance, it's the absence of compassion, the absence of empathy, and all these ways of looking at the world and interacting with each
other. It's the absence of all of those.
And therefore this state of consciousness has no emotional consequence for what it does.
Those in a more balanced state, they have a consequence.
They have an emotional consequence.
It's called empathy.
When you have empathy with how you're affecting other people, it makes you think about how you're affecting other people because you can put yourself into their feelings, into their situation that you're making happen to them.
But if you've not got that, and this state of consciousness hasn't got that, then there are no emotional consequences, which means there are no limits.
And so, whether it's Bill Gates, or Klaus Schwab, or Anthony Fauci, or the Rothschilds, or the Rockefellers, or reptilians, or greys, or whatever, the behavior comes from their state of consciousness.
And everything comes from that.
Just like all behavior comes from perception.
Perception is consciousness.
Your perception becomes your behavior.
You control perception, you control behavior.
And so this is what we're looking at.
And I think it's important we don't get diverted totally.
Not that we shouldn't, I mean, I've been doing it for 33 years, into the daily happenings, but to hold that picture of the stadium, the arena in which this is played out, which is a very distorted state of consciousness, trying to impose its will and indeed absorb human consciousness into itself, and to turn humans into an expression of itself.
And that which is not wanting to be absorbed, which is wanting to have a different world.
That's what's actually happening and everything else is the detail of that playing out.
But do you believe that there has been a shift in consciousness and a new consciousness is happening right now in this shift?
And do you believe the old consciousness and the new consciousness can coexist?
Or do you think the new... I believe the old consciousness cannot coexist with this new consciousness.
That's happening in the Great Awakening.
More and more people are waking up in droves.
I see it happening.
More channels like mine are just popping up everywhere.
And on the regular, people are coming up to me going, man, I watch your channel.
They know who you are.
And it's happening constant now.
And what I'm asking is, do you believe that this old consciousness, this old magic, this old trickery can coexist with this new consciousness?
Don't you think this new consciousness, it won't be able to work in this new paradigm anymore?
Well, no, but what we're looking at at the moment is the tussle between the two, basically, and that's playing out.
But that could be the duality of good and evil, right?
I mean, ever since humanity began.
What did you say?
There's a bridge, though, between the two?
And as long as a person breaks free of the mind control, the truth frequency can override the psyops, the 5G, the nanoparticles, because as long as they can infect the creative channels and the belief systems, like you're saying, David, It's assimilating a person into a different type of human but once you break that mind control, don't you feel that the soul can create some kind of alchemy and there's still a bridge between the old consciousness and the new consciousness as long as we can have unconditional love and forgiveness and hold space for them awakening even if they've made detrimental choices that our override frequency is enough to create alchemy in the system to nullify the bioweapons that prey on the mind, right?
Well, I think in the end everything comes back to mind, to consciousness.
What you believe you perceive and what you perceive you experience.
And this is why the stadium in which this whole conspiracy is played out is human perception.
If it's about suppressing The totality, the potential of expanded awareness, which everyone has, it's about suppressing that so that you can hold people in a myopic perception of self and a myopic perception of the world.
Because once you've controlled their perception, you control their behavior, like I say.
And there's nothing that's a greater example of that than COVID.
People had the jab, people went under house arrest, people put the face diaper on because their perception was hijacked and they believed things they were told that weren't actually true.
Now we've seen from the number of people that went down that road and then saw they'd been shafted
who have now started to get it, that it is absolutely possible to override the program.
And that's why we do what we do.
It's about putting out to people other explanations, other possibilities, so that they see
that the official narrative of everything is not the only possibility.
This is, of course, why we're having this hysterical level of censorship.
It's not coming from a point of view of power and strength.
It's coming from a point of view of weakness, because I don't want to I don't want to censor anybody.
I'm happy to debate with anybody and have the free flow of information.
But that which is seeking to impose this dystopia knows that its narrative cannot survive the open public debate.
That's where the whole censorship is coming from.
So we're looking at something that's coming from a place of weakness.
And the only power it has and has ever had is the ability to program human perception and thus control human behavior so people behave in a way that suits its agenda.
So, like I said earlier, this is a massive picture which in the end comes down to consciousness.
Are we going to be in control of our own consciousness, our own perceptions?
Are we going to come to our own conclusions on the basis of what we see and the information that we have access to?
Or are we just going to have the perception that this global authority tells us we must have?
And the answer, the answer to that question then permeates down into the entirety of human society because whether we take the narrative or whether we don't dictates what then happens in the world of daily experience.
It dictates, it decides whether the The global cult, as I call it, prevails in its agenda for humanity, this dystopia, this global fascist state, or whether it doesn't.
So it's important to expose daily events and what they really mean.
I do it all the time.
But in the end, it's consciousness, our state of consciousness, that will that will decide. And so for instance, you've got two
states of consciousness that have got us into this mess basically. One is that state of consciousness
that just believes whatever authority tells it without question. And the second
mentality is that which doesn't want to do what authority tells it to do, but he's too frightened
not to do it.
And those two states of consciousness have been responsible for every tyranny in history because tyranny is not introduced by tyrants.
There's never enough of them.
It's introduced and imposed by the population, the great number, acquiescing to the will of the tyrant.
And so you've got the third group, which is getting bigger all the time.
Hallelujah.
Which is the real renegade group that sees increasingly what's happening and won't cooperate with it.
And those are three very different states of consciousness.
And, you know, there are kind of groups in between there, like those that concentrate on the fact that this is happening in the world.
And they comment on social media, look, this is happening and now this is going to happen.
I can see what's going to happen next.
But they still acquiesce to the system when the system's imposing its will on them.
They still, some of these people that could see it, still wore the face nappy, still social distanced.
And so where we're at now, is a point where we have to decide if we're going to go for this or whether we're just going to be spectators of it.
You know, there's a middle ground here between that which just sees everything authority tells it to see, those who will not cooperate.
There's a middle ground which has to go here if we're going to be even more effective.
And that's the ground that is watching it happen.
So basically we're engaging with it, it's not crossing the road and saying I'm not going to acquiesce to this.
We're at a precipice then where we either obey or disobey and I was going to ask you on this.
It seems like we're marching towards this AI-controlled technocracy, Big Brother technocracy.
And I mean, and the people, and most people, unfortunately, that I see are cooperating.
I still see people wearing face masks.
I go to a doctor's visit, and they tell me to put on a mask.
And these are medical professionals.
I say, no.
I go, I'll leave.
I'll just go to a different doctor.
They're all doing it, though.
They're all doing it.
So even the medical professionals, which we should put up on a pedestal to some degree, That even, that paradigm is crashing down on me because I'm looking at them and going, okay these, they're controlled, they're drones.
My question to you is this, are we in a battle with AI or a species or system controlling the AI that wants to capture us in that program?
Is it the reptilians?
What is it?
I mean, is it just... What's going on here?
Are they compromised humans?
Are they just power-hungry human beings?
Do you believe that they are reptilians, right, at the highest level?
Do they control the AI?
Does the AI control them?
Yeah, not at the highest level.
Anything in form is not the highest level, because consciousness is what's driving this.
And it works through different forms.
It's just that there is very clearly, after 33 years of researching this, a group that take a reptilian form that operate actually in the astral dimension, not here.
I mean, they may come in and go, but overwhelmingly they're outside of human sight because they're outside of the human visual frequency band.
But in the end, what's driving them, what's making them act as they are, is their state of consciousness.
It all comes down to that in the end.
But it's a very interesting question.
Chicken and egg, really.
Is AI controlling them?
Are they controlling AI?
And I think, you know, I got a new book out, it came out a few months ago now, called The Trap.
And it's about the reincarnation trap that I perceive.
And funnily enough, I started to see more and more people looking at that now.
And I do think that what we call AI, artificial intelligence, is driving this human society far more than we think.
You know, there is the AI that we see in the three-dimensional human world, but I think that there's forms of AI that are operating in this astral dimension, which is very, the lower part of it at least, is very close to this one, but beyond human sight in the normal course of events.
And I think that's driving a lot of what is happening.
You know, I started looking at this years ago and I thought, well, You know, you cannot to a point explain things with a group of people sitting in a darkened room, round a table, deciding their next move.
At that point, you can explain it away.
But when you get to the big, big picture, you can't.
You can't.
There's too many people acting In the way that they have to act for this thing to come in all over the world, that there's something more going on.
There's something more in terms of what is driving people.
To act as they do.
What is driving people in every country in the hierarchy of governments, of corporations, of local councils, all these different groups who are all acting in the same way.
And I do think that there is an energetic program.
a frequency program that is actually driving so much of human reaction. And I think if you
operate within a certain frequency band, the frequency band of the program which comes from
your perception, then a lot of what we call human decision making is not human decision making at
They're following a program.
It's like a virtual reality game, which I think this reality actually is, funnily enough.
And when you start to awaken, when you start to expand your, not just your the view of the world but your self-identity when you start
uh seeing that the human uh experience is just that and all the labels of a human life is just
that an experience and that you are the consciousness having the experience eternal infinite
awareness then that expands your perception yes but it expands your frequency and you can
start to break out of that frequency prison of the program and
And that's the point when you start to question, because the program is not going to question itself, You've got to be outside the program to question the program.
And so all over the world, you've got people who are acting in ways that are advancing this agenda, who have no idea there is an agenda, but they're doing it unconsciously, almost, in these different hierarchies of authority.
And the more that they get Mesmerized by the daily world that they live in of the program, the more solidified they become in their way of seeing the world.
So they would look at you and me and they'd say, you're mad and you're dangerous.
You're crazy for questioning a fake vaccine that's had no trials and is even a vaccine under previous criteria.
Now, in terms of consciousness, That's the sensible, sane thing to do.
Why are we having this fake vaccine that has had no trials, which is being put out by companies that have a long record of killing people?
But the programme, the programme, people locked into that programme.
will not question that, because the program won't let them.
And so it really is, and you've mentioned it already, Laura, it's about what we call awakening.
It's almost a deprogramming process that goes on.
To deprogram, to allow you to be what the program is stopping you being, it's breaking out of the program, which has put us in this perceptual servitude, generation after generation, Century after century.
Well, Dr. Asim, fortunately, who was promoting the jab, who lost his father, top cardiologist in the UK, is now speaking out against it being like, okay, there was a time when the vaccines were okay, but this is completely different.
But then even Robert Malone might be compromised because there's reasons for that.
But wouldn't you say they use social media to profile And that's why they were able to go after sort of environmentalists or hippie types with the false climate change, Black Lives Matter, some of the feminist movements are preying upon well-intentioned people and using these psyops because they've been profiling and that really this vampiric system connected to AI doesn't have any power except for the power we give it.
Just like if we're stuck in a narcissistic relationship, whether it's the male or female, Being the controller, being the manipulator.
It's the person who's consenting to that control because they're convinced, because their self-esteem is being preyed upon or their good intent is being preyed upon, to give that power away that they have to deprogram from.
And it seems that the ones pushing the jab are the leftists, not realizing it's the globalist Illuminati agenda that's in a new disguise.
You know, a Nazi with a master of disguise is now under the globalist sort of leftist agenda, wouldn't you say, kind of?
Yeah, I mean... I'm saying, like, right or left isn't necessarily a good thing, but anyway, what are your thoughts on that?
Yeah, I mean, what it is in the end, and I keep coming back to it, because it's the stadium in which it's played out.
When there's a few of you, and compared with eight billion, it is a few by comparison that's actually driving this.
You can't control people physically.
You can if you Connect them to AI, connect their brains to AI, because then you don't manipulate their perceptions, you give them their perceptions.
That's what this is really all about.
Again, what is AI connecting to the human brain all about?
Control of perception, because that comes from behavior and all that goes from that.
So yeah, it's a control of perception.
So you look at Black Lives Matter, you can see it as a physical entity That is funded by billionaires to divide and rule the population on the grounds of race.
That's what it's there for.
It's not there for black people and the interest of black people.
Of course it's not.
It's there to buy million dollar odd mansions for the people that run it for a start.
But on a perceptual level, that's what Black Lives Matter is there for.
It's to sell the perception of non-white races being imposed upon by the white race, to divide on the grounds of race.
And then you look at the climate change thing.
Well, that's, again, a perceptual game.
It's all perception.
You can put out information Saying the world's going to end because climate change caused by humans, which is a scientific, absolute bloody nonsense.
But if people will perceptually accept that, Then they will then support what you want to do, which is enslave them.
They don't realize that.
They've just bought the idea we're all going to die and this has got to happen and it's all those people's fault.
And it's people who drive cars' fault and all that.
It's all perception.
And so in the end, where we go from here, depends on how many minds choose – choose, because it's always a choice – to free themselves from the program.
And number one, it's to just look through history And see one glaring fact.
Authority lies.
That's what it does.
Throughout history, authority has lied to the population.
So, number one, instead of believing what authority tells you by reflex action, you don't believe it by reflex action and you say, I need the evidence before I'm going to accept this.
And of course, the evidence won't be there because they're making it up.
Number two, we've got to get back our self-respect.
There is no self-respect in doing what authority tells you to do just because it's authority.
OK, here's a bloke in a luminous jacket.
All right.
He's just got the job yesterday.
All right.
So you're now telling me, luminous jacket, you've got the job yesterday.
What I have to do, how I have to live my life.
I'm not doing it.
I'm not going to obey an authority simply because it's authority.
I want to know why you want me to do this.
I want you to give me the evidence.
I'm not just going to have the job.
I want to know what's in it.
I want to know what trials you've done.
And once you take your mind back by asking these questions and having these limits and saying, you show me the evidence and then we'll talk about it, but not before, you start to take your perceptions back.
Because no longer are you just reacting to program, which is just to do whatever you're told to do.
This is the level that we're going to sort this out.
I noticed.
To realize that, you know, whether we're black, brown, sky blue, bloody pink, or whatever, green, We're all in the gun sights of this agenda.
And if there's a few of you and you want to control the many, crucial to that is you set the many at war with themselves.
So they're fighting among themselves.
So you have a free reign to manipulate to your heart's content.
The entity attachments, because there's no balance anymore.
Anyway, keep going.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm just saying that these are the basic foundations of how we get out of this, because from this comes everything else.
Once you start questioning authority, you realize authority doesn't know what it's talking about and is lying to you.
When you say, no, I'm not doing it, you realize where the power is, and it's not with authority like you thought it was, it's with you.
You know, if people come out of the White House or Downing Street or wherever and say we've had a discussion and we've decided this is what's going to happen, if enough people say we're not doing it, It doesn't happen.
The power, again, perception, the power of the few is in convincing the population, the target population, that the few have power over them.
It's a mind trick.
It's a mind game.
And this is the level, this is the stadium on which this is going to play out one way or the other.
And what's encouraging, like you say, is that people are breaking out of this reflex action belief in authority.
And that's a very, very encouraging sign.
I have friends that took the jab, right?
And a lot of them say, well, Dave, you know, I had to work.
I have to work.
I have to put food on the table.
I have to feed my family.
I mean, what am I supposed to do?
I have other friends that say, well, Dave, I wanted to travel.
They don't understand that we all have free will.
When you give over your consent, you give them power.
They were being peer pressured.
I was taught as a kid not to fall for peer pressure.
My mom always said, if all these kids are jumping off a bridge, do you follow them and do the same thing?
Always think for yourself.
And it goes back to the basic fundamentals you learned as a child, at least the way I learned, at least the way I grew up.
So to me, a lot of these people didn't want to take the jab, but they got peer pressured into it.
They couldn't work.
They're not allowed to travel.
So that to me is also giving your consent, giving your free will, correct?
There's no courage.
I mean, I raised kids on the road refusing to consent to certain things.
And yeah, it's not ideal, but it's better than giving your power away and doing something like that.
Go ahead, David.
Well, just look at where we are now compared with late 2020, early 2021, when this fake jab was rolled out.
There was a journalist in Britain called Peter Hitchens, works on the Mail on Sunday in this country, and he was writing about, one of the few actually in the mainstream, very few, that was writing about the fact that lockdown was a nonsense and was going to have massive repercussions, which of course it has, all this other stuff, and the face diaper and everything.
And then he comes out of nowhere and just says, I've had the jab.
And he said, I've had it because I have family abroad and I'm not going to be able to see them if I don't have the jab.
And so, you know, you've got to face the fact that this is how it's going to be, right?
Well, when you look at the situation now, Those that didn't have the jab, as things currently stand, can do everything that he can do without having it.
Because what they've done with their determination to stand their ground is get to the other side for the moment anyway.
And be able to do everything that everyone else can do without actually submitting to the jab.
And a wonderful example in Britain, they announced in 2021, in like the fall of 2021, that anyone who worked in a care home, well care home is where so many old people died as a result of government action.
would have to have the jab or they'd lose the job.
So great numbers in the care homes had the jab to stop having to lose their job.
They said to the other workers in the National Health Service that by a certain date, it was in early 2022, that anyone who hadn't had the jab was going to lose their job in the National Health Service.
The difference was, this is the point, that so many people in the National Health Service said we're still not having it.
But when the deadline came, the government reversed the decision and said, no, no, you'll be able to keep your job without having it.
And that was purely on the basis of people standing their ground.
Because, you know, we are dealing, this is one of the things that's been very difficult to get over over the years, is we are dealing, in terms of the core of where this is coming from, with a level of evil that is almost unimaginable.
And they couldn't care less about anybody or anything.
They have no empathy.
They have no compassion.
Nothing.
And every time you give a bit in that direction, you're getting closer to control by that state of... It's black magic.
They use the occult knowledge.
Yeah.
Yeah, you've got to... If you stand your ground... I mean, it's simple mathematics.
Eight billion cannot be controlled by a relative handful by comparison, unless most of the eight billion acquiesce to the few.
It's not possible.
And this then again comes down to perception and consciousness.
Am I going to have the self-respect?
Because that's what it is.
The self-respect to question authority, to demand evidence before I accept anything, am I going to have the self-respect to say no when authority is telling me to do something I know is simply designed to control me and take my freedom away from my kids and grandkids?
If you hold that self-respect and say, look, this is the bottom line, authority, over here, over here, this is the bottom line.
I ain't doing it, okay?
Well, okay, I'll lose my job.
Oh, you want me to do that?
Okay, I won't do it.
But I ain't doing it.
And if enough people do that, then we see where the power is.
These people have no power.
You've mentioned it, Laura, already.
These people have no power.
Their gift, and they're very skilled at it, is to manipulate the target population to give them their power in the form of acquiescence.
Would you say geoengineering would also be nullified as we're elemental beings?
If we could not give our power away, we could nullify the weapons, the weather weapons that are connected to geoengineering because nature itself is being manipulated.
That maybe we could break or neutralize it if we weren't constantly being harvested and siphoned because people keep consenting.
Do you think there's a connection there?
Well, I think there absolutely is.
I think that what we've lost is the understanding of how powerful the human mind, human consciousness is, because we can tap into the greater consciousness.
But if you have a self-identity that you're just your body, and you're just your name, and you're just your life story, and you're just your job, and you're just your race, Then you are not expressing and tapping into the power that you have the potential to do.
That's why, as I think we talked about before, it's about manipulating people.
And that would be why they give us bread and circus and dumb us down with alcohol and drugs and give us Monday night football because they keep us distracted so we don't pay attention to these things.
Well, that's one of the big things that this program is about.
It's about hijacking attention.
You know, if you're a magician, while you're doing the trick over here, you want people looking here.
So it's all about attracting attention.
Look over here, because we don't want you to see what's going on over there.
It's over there.
So hijacking attention is all part of this.
But if you look at the system, And everything from education to media, everything, it's all about the five senses.
And the five senses is merely that point at which the human form interacts with this world.
The lowest point, if you like, that's where we perceive everything through the five senses as how we're supposed to perceive this world and not, therefore, have other levels of ourselves perceiving other levels of reality and other levels of possibility and other levels of consciousness.
So what you do is you get people to self-identify With the labels of the five senses, man, woman, race, income bracket, nation, whatever.
And once you do that, and you get that, again, it's a focus of attention.
This is what I am.
This is my I. This is what everything in my totality I am.
Then you're shutting out, because of this focus of attention, you're shutting out the greater self, which has the power, yes, to overcome all of these things.
A technology cannot overpower consciousness in its expanded form.
But it can overpower five sense myopia.
And if you notice what they're doing, because this inner core of this global cult, the reason it understands so well how to manipulate human perception, is it understands the nature of the reality that we're experiencing and works to keep it from the population.
This is one of the major things that's passed on through the secret society network at the inner level.
So what they're doing now with this kind of woke arena is to Subdivide the previous labels into smaller and smaller labels.
So you look at self-identity now, and it comes down often in the woke mentality to your sexual preference.
Who are you?
Oh, I'm a so-and-so.
No, that's just a brief human experience.
That's not who you are.
But if you can get people to self-identify with these myopic bloody labels, then they're there.
And they're not there.
Because once you go there, as you know, as a lot of people watching this show know, once that happens, what is awakening?
It's awakening from the prison cell of the five senses to see that actually you're part of a much greater whole.
And when you go through that process, suddenly you start to see things you couldn't see before.
And that's what awakening is.
So if you are a A demonic force that's trying to control humanity.
You have to work 24-7 to hold people in that five-sense identity myopia so that they don't do that and it's over for you.
And that's why I say at the start of this chat that This state of consciousness is what's going to decide everything that plays out in the world.
Because what is human society?
It's human perception made manifest as human behavior.
That's what it is.
So that's why they're focusing totally on... Let me take you into the... ...control everything.
Let me take you into the spiritual.
You believe that this is, you believe in the reincarnation trap, correct?
But do you also believe in God?
And this is part of the question.
Hold on.
So if you, if one believes in God, like I believe in God, but I do believe the existence of a reincarnation trap could be there.
Why would God let an AI or a system control his creation and trap them into a reincarnation process?
If God is all-powerful and all creation... But there have gotten to God, though, posing as God in religions that have... Well, but why would he let the soul, the essence of the soul that belongs to God, one source maybe, why would he let that get intercepted by AI or whatever that system is to trap us and bring the soul back here, reoccurring on planet Earth over and over and over again in a prison system?
Because that would be, that would be prison to me.
Why would a god, an all-loving creator, let that happen?
Why would he let his force be intercepted?
Well, first of all, I think it's important that we don't claim to know everything.
Because, you know, we are operating as humans on a ridiculously narrow band of frequency.
I mean, human sight, visible light as they call it, is ludicrously narrow.
So the idea that within this human reality, within this human form, that we can know everything is kind of self-delusional on a scale that's shocking.
But I would say this, it's the same principle as, okay, you say to people about the conspiracy, this is happening, this is happening, this is clearly happening, and that's clearly happening, and that's clearly happening.
Look at the evidence.
And then people come back to you and they say what?
Well, why would they do that?
Why would they do that?
Why would anyone want to do that?
But that's not the question.
The question is, is it happening?
It's an interesting question, why would they do that?
But the big question, the immediate question, the most urgent question is, But it is happening.
Why do people believe in it?
I mean, the true teachings of Jesus from the Essene Gospel of Peace, the Mother Energy, the Mother Force has all been repressed because of the patriarchal agenda that's impacted both men and women.
Don't we have the choice not to be in that reincarnation trap like you've been saying for some time?
But this is the point, you know, it's the hijacking of choice.
I mean, if you look at the foundation of freedom, what is freedom?
The more choices you can make, the freer you are.
The fewer choices you can make, the less free you are.
That's why our choice is being squeezed all the time, because they're taking our freedom away.
So, absolutely.
But, you know, if you are doing a deal with someone, say, And they're not telling you what the deal's really about.
They're giving you another version of it.
And you agree because you think that that's the best thing for you to do.
And then you find, once you've agreed, once you've got caught in the trap, that actually it's not what you were told it was.
And, you know, I've looked at this for over a long period of time.
And I looked at reincarnation and I looked at what I feel and you say, do I believe in God?
Well, the name for me is not the important thing.
It's the concept of I do think that we are an expression of an infinite state of consciousness, which is ultimately about love.
Yes.
But the reincarnation trap, for me, has not been set up by that level of awareness.
It's been set up by a much lower level of awareness.
And if you look at what we call God being a state of infinite possibility, infinite potential, Then anything becomes possible.
And well, I've looked at this reincarnation and I became convinced that it's real.
But that doesn't mean that I buy the conventional story of reincarnation.
I bloody well don't.
Because I thought, okay, I'm convinced about this.
You know, I've seen enough For instance, little kids who are describing previous lives in great bloody detail that they could possibly have known.
And when they checked out, bingo, they were right in what they were describing.
Yeah, but then I looked at the Eastern religion version of this, which is you have to keep reincarnating onto this planet to learn lessons, to eventually reach a state of enlightenment so that you don't anymore have to be on that cycle.
And I looked at that and I thought, well that makes no bloody sense to me at all.
You know, if you look at the projected size of the universe according to mainstream science currently, then planet Earth's about the equivalent of a billionth of a pinhead.
Now, why do we have to keep coming back onto this tiny little planet to learn lessons, to reach a point of enlightenment where we don't have to do it anymore?
If you have created a virtual reality simulation, Which has not just this level, but which has other levels.
And you have entrapped consciousness through the perception of that consciousness in the frequency walls of this multi-leveled simulation.
Then suddenly it does make sense that you come out of this level of the simulation of what we perceive to be death.
It's all perception.
into other levels of the simulation and then come back in again.
And that way you are recycling entrapped consciousness.
And you know, some people do remember past lives.
The vast overwhelming majority have no idea, no memory of it.
So this whole idea that you come in to learn lessons to reach a state of enlightenment, well, what's the point of wiping the previous lessons for so you start in again?
And then you keep building more karma.
But if you're if you're if you're wiping the memories.
of incarnations, so that when you're here, you... For amnesia that we have?
Yeah, it's what, if you look at the, you know, religious writings and cultural writings and the writings of people like the Gnostics, they talk about the veil of forgetfulness.
And that's what it is.
It's basically wiping your memory.
And it's my view, as I detail this in The Trap, That this whole system, this reincarnation system, is actually run by a form of AI, which is vastly in excess and vastly more sophisticated than any AI we know.
But what we're starting to see in this reality, this level of the simulation, if you like, is that AI coming in, coming into this reality, so that not only Are we controlled externally by AI from this astral realm that actually even the conscious mind here is destined to be controlled by AI through a connection to the human brain?
And at that point, how is anyone going to perceive that there's a greater self, that there's a way out of here?
If your perceptions are coming direct through an AI connection telling you that this is all there is, there is no way out of there because there's no out of here to go to.
That's what they'll do.
Do you think by simply having the awareness that you can break this system, you can get out of it if you just have the awareness?
I've heard from different people saying that once you go through that tunnel into the light, that's when your memory gets swiped clean, you get amnesia, you get sent back here.
Just simply having the awareness and saying, I'm not going through there, could that maybe?
Maybe?
I think the tunnel thing, and there's other ways to symbolize that tunnel as well, but if you look at the near-death experience, the very fact that it's a near-death experience and people quote return, Means they've not crossed that line which is symbolized in near-death experiences as as a ultimately a light or a
An archway, whatever.
Once you go through there, no one's ever gone through there and come back, if you like.
They get told, oh, you've got to go back and continue your life.
Your life mission is not over yet.
Well, first of all, who the hell are you to tell me that I've got to go back?
Who are you, by the way, telling me what I have to do?
I've read a lot of work by therapists who concentrate on trying to take people back to that between-life state, if you like, this spirit world status it's perceived.
And as I've read these accounts of people under hypnosis talking about it, the themes are very common and compelling.
It's another bloody trap.
It's another hierarchy.
It's another hierarchy that, I mean, and people say, oh yeah, I had to go before the elders to discuss my previous life and be told of a life review and all this.
What?
Who are these people telling you infinite awareness what you should do and not do?
And so there's a perceptual trap within this simulation, but You know, there's an old occult concept of what they call the Ring Pass Knot, which is a point, like a frequency band, think of it as a bubble, that unless you are over a high enough frequency, you can't get out.
So you're trapped.
And this is, for me, the reincarnation trap.
But if you are, A, of a high enough frequency, because you are self-identifying with being consciousness and not little me at the point of death, but also if you're, this is why I'm trying to get this across, if you are streetwise to know how this system works, how this stimulation works, this reincarnation track works, Then you have the power to get out of here when you leave.
You can leave the trap.
But the point is that let's look at this as a sequence.
You have your Previous awareness, white, when you come into the world.
Okay, it does, in some children, it stays around for a while.
By the age of seven, it usually disappears.
But in the vast majority of people, there's no memory, previous lives.
So you are basically starting with a blank piece of software.
So when you leave the body, you do not have that memory.
of doing it many, many times and realizing there's a bloody trap.
You don't have that.
So you keep falling for it and falling for it and falling for it over and over again.
And on and on it goes.
Now when the Eastern religions say you have to reach a state of enlightenment so you don't have to keep doing that, well that's true.
It's just that I absolutely don't agree with the The rest of it.
The state of enlightenment is the knowledge, the awareness, the streetwise awareness of how this trap works, and the self-identity with the true self that gives you frequency combination that allows you to get out of here.
That's spiritual sovereignty and just not being trapped by the belief systems that dictate just how that reincarnation trap goes.
Because then there's people, I think, that incarnate into the human wheel a little bit different, maybe with a mission, maybe a Bodhisattva type that has reached a certain stage of enlightenment and chooses to come back in based in consent instead of the blind trap that is the reincarnation trap, would you say?
Or is that?
100%.
See, you can have The reincarnation trap, when you're caught on the wheel.
But there's other consciousness that has come in from outside the trap that doesn't need to come into the trap.
He's not caught in the trap, but has come in to try to make people aware That there is a trap and that the forces that are controlling this world are not like what they thought it was.
And so yes, both are happening.
And you know, I've only taken psychoactive drugs once in my life.
It was in a rainforest in Brazil in 2003.
And I had a most amazing experience because for five hours a female voice was talking to me, as loud as mine is now, explaining the nature of reality, the illusory nature of reality, how physicality is illusory and it's always all holographic and what have you.
And at one point in this five hours, I was shown this picture and what it was, was a field.
It was just like a field in the country.
And going across this field was this, like, mud path.
And then suddenly people started falling out of the sky onto this path and they were walking along it.
More and more were coming in.
And as they walked, the path started to wear away and get lower and lower.
Then it morphed.
into the old vinyl record grooves of the old vinyl records and people were walking through the grooves of the record.
It was very dark and they were looking up for light, you know, as people do.
And the voice was making the point that through this reincarnation, people come in And they are already, a lot of them, if not all of them, are already in a state of consciousness, a state of response to stimuli in this reality where they just drop in to
being pawns of authority again, because they've got used to it over and over and over again.
And it seems to me, when I read these accounts of people being taken back into the between-life state, that actually the hierarchy and the imposition goes on there anyway.
So it's a whole hierarchy, the whole trap is a hierarchy of Top down in position.
And all of it's designed to control perception in the body and out of the body.
So that people don't get out of it.
And I think one of the big things is to get this across.
So at least people, when they leave the body, consciousness when it leaves the body, has another way of looking at what's put before it.
And not again, I mean, when you think about it, we're coming back to the same thing.
In this reality, because it's all run by the same system, the same consciousness, therefore it will operate in the same way, at this level you do what authority tells you.
And then when you leave the body, authority figures appear.
But some of them, you know, manifesting as your relatives or whatever.
Right.
Imposter relatives and Ascended Masters.
Yeah, all that stuff.
Yeah, all that stuff.
And depending on, because I do think this is all run by AI.
And so depending on your belief system, dictates what you see.
So some people will see Jesus, some people see Mohammed, or some people see an ascended master, something that they associate with.
And what are those figures in that context?
False channeling of people on earth, channeling false ascended masters, right?
Well, what you're faced with when you leave the body, is where I'm going with this, is another form of authority Telling you what to do next, come through the tunnel, et cetera, et cetera.
So the whole thing is authority running this cycle of... They used to keep us a food source to these AI demonic... Don't they want to keep us at a food source, but also depopulate us, but still keep enough?
Because they need us to feed on, right?
Is that why they keep looping?
Well, that's an excellent question and spot on.
People say, well, why would they do this?
Well, the foundation reason they do it is to troll our energy.
Now, because of their disconnection, this demonic disconnection from the greater reality, the infinite reality, they do not have an energetic source.
In the same way as you do when you're connected to infinite reality.
So they've had to create one and it's humans.
And so when Morpheus in the Matrix held up that battery and said they've turned humans into one of these, what did he say?
What's the effect of the Matrix is a dream world designed to turn humans into one of these, a battery, an energy source.
So this demonic Consciousness is inverted consciousness, which is why everything on earth is inverted.
It's why Satanists use inverted crosses and inverted pentagrams.
It's all inversion.
They have control over human energy.
within a frequency band that they can connect with.
It's like two radio stations.
If they're not on the same wavelength, then they can't interfere with each other.
They can't connect.
So, when you think that this demonic consciousness, by its very nature, is in a very low vibrational state, then to trawl human energy, They have to keep humans in a low vibrational state so the emotions and the thoughts that are emitted in the form of frequencies is well known.
Feed the simulation and feed the beast.
And so they don't want a world of love and joy and all these things.
They don't want a world of that.
They want a world in which, and if you look around the world, there might be a few people in the West who think, oh, I'm having a good life.
I've got a few jobs.
Okay.
But travel.
Travel to Asia, to South America, to Africa and Eastern Europe and see the kind of conditions that people are living in and the challenges to survive day after day after day after day.
They're not having a good time.
They're giving off energy, emotional and mental, that reflects their plight and their suffering and their challenges.
Wars are a banquet of low vibrational energy.
And so they've created a system and got this Global cult representing that system, hence what the cult is trying to do to humanity, to turn it into an even greater dystopia than it has been.
To generate more, what some people call luscious, one of the names that some people have for this energy they trawl and feed off.
And if you think about it, the end, goal of this is to connect the human energetic field,
the human entity to AI.
So AI can then externally generate.
Artificial timelines.
And emotional states directly that will elicit the energy that this system feeds off.
feeds off.
So, yes, they are trawling our energy.
And the more we wake up, the more the heart opens, the more we stop fighting each other and hating each other and all these things, the less energy there is to trawl from us.
And we free ourselves of the artificial timeline that is based in AI, right?
Oh, sorry.
Yeah.
I say the beast gets weaker when we do that.
What do you have to say about someone that I just interviewed, somebody who says they died and went to hell?
The first thing I think of is...
It's a program within a program.
Religion is a program within this program to control us through fear, correct?
And this, maybe this hell conception that this guy saw, maybe he did go to hell.
But do you believe that hell was the program that he went into?
A construct of his own mind?
A construct of the AI that gave him that experience?
When he died, he died and came back, but he saw hell, he said.
Well, I think it's all a program.
I mean, if you're dealing with a virtual reality simulated multi-level phenomenon, then whatever is encoded into the simulated program is what people will Experience that that's how it how it works, but what can happen and this is the point is if you tap into consciousness beyond the bloody program because this when you when you think of infinity.
This simulation is, by comparison, infinitesimal.
It seems massive when you're in it, but it's infinitesimally small.
And if you can tap into consciousness beyond the simulation, and more and more people are doing this, And then become a generator of that awareness, that frequency within the program, within the simulation.
You start to break down the energetic construct on which it operates.
And you know, what is the matrix?
It's an information source.
Think of Wi-Fi.
It's an information source that is feeding us a sense of reality. And it's, if you think of
infinite reality, And then over just a part of that infinite reality, another information source has been overlaid, another field, which is feeding us a sense of reality.
That's the Matrix.
And if you look at the Matrix movies symbolically, they didn't go into the Matrix in their bodies.
They went into the Matrix with their minds.
So you had the thing in the back of their bodies were like avatars.
Yeah, so they went in through their minds.
It was their mind that went into the matrix.
And that's what this is.
It's a matrix of the mind.
That would make sense, Dave, because atoms are 99.9% empty space.
So everything is held together through vibration, correct?
Yeah.
And it's a construct of the mind.
The point being that if your mind Operates only within the simulation frequency band and the simulation is feeding you your reality.
Social engineering!
But when you expand beyond the frequency band of the simulation into the greater reality and you start tapping into that, then that energy, that perception, that insight, that inspiration can override the program.
And it's regenerative, yeah.
Right.
I mean, isn't that the concept of alchemy turning lead into gold, the ether energy that we connect into divine source?
It breaks down the bioweapons, the different assaults, the social engineering, and that level of deprogramming connects one to the higher frequency that, when grounded, can shift and upgrade DNA to the point where we're able to override all this stuff and live outside of the matrix and actually become activators of each other.
Beyond just red-pilling with, you know, here's information to wake you up, you talk about frequency and consciousness, which is beyond just using the words to snap people out of it.
You are a frequency generator that deactivates and deprograms people because of what you embody as a human.
Right, David?
Well, yeah, but the point to make here is, again, everything that happens here comes from this perspective we're talking about now.
The reason they are terrified of information outside of the official narrative, and becoming more terrified of it all the time, by the way, hence the desperation to censor and suppress, is because they know that that information they're suppressing has the potential, indeed is already happening with many, many, many, many people, To bring about this consciousness expansion, that will bring the house of cards down, because that's what this is.
It's a house of cards.
Well, the truth frequency that you also embody, like it's your words, but it carries that charge.
And it's also your frequency and how that generates into the collective conscious.
I remember when you were first on Terry Wogan, right in the beginning.
Remember that?
Of course you do.
Sorry.
Yeah.
I look back at that Wogan show with quite affection now.
I used to live in England and I saw it when I was like 12 years old or something.
What it did for me, I went through such historic levels of ridicule after that, that you either go under Or you let go of the fear that most people are imprisoned by, which is the fear of what other people think.
And you reach a point, and again it comes down to self-respect, where you open your mouth and you say what you think.
You don't go through the mental gymnastics that says, what will people think of me if I say this?
You say, I'm convinced this is right, so I'm going to say it.
And then the consequences take care of themselves.
And I think, you know, that's an interesting point.
I think one of the biggest ball and chains that holds humanity consciously in enslavement is fear of consequences.
So that second group that doesn't want to do what authority tells it, but does it because it's right not to, is listing consequences.
I don't want to do this, but what are the consequences for me of not doing it?
Again, you mentioned earlier, well, I'm going to lose my job, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that.
There are consequences for me doing what I know to be right.
But what you find, and again, it's about this consciousness and overriding, is that if you do keep doing what you know to be right, you will have some challenges.
Of course you will, because you are at odds with the system in which you're living.
But it all works out in the end.
It all works out in the end.
Do you know what I did?
Positions where you think, what have I done to my life?
Look at me.
I mean, in 1990, 1991, you look at me and you think, that guy's absolutely finished, kaput, got no future.
But you keep doing what you know to be right, and it works out.
And everybody can do this.
Absolutely.
Wow.
I know David's got to jump on a thing and I'm sure, uh, yeah, I mean, we could continue to talk and you probably have a, uh, yeah, uh, stuff going on.
Do you want to say anything final to David?
I'll just say, I just want to say it's incredible to be in your company.
Thank you so much for joining us today.
Yeah I just want to say it's it's been a pleasure it's been I mean just like I said I you're one of the the first very few people that woke me up on my journey along with you Laura there's I mean there's a whole crowd of you but David you were one of the main ones and I just want to say thank you for joining me and then giving my audience this treat because it is a treat and I find you very fascinating Highly intellectual and awakened human beings.
So thank you so much for coming on my show and Laura's show.
And with that, God bless.
Thank you.
All right, guys.
The whole basis of the manipulation is to divide us.
And it's to get us to judge each other, to hate each other, to envy each other, to compete with each other.
It's to confuse people, especially the young, about their gender, who weren't confused before.
That's what it's about!
A lot of people don't carry cash anymore, and they're not grabbing credit cards either.
Instead, they're using their smartphones.
A currency that wouldn't be cash, it would be merely electronic, for which there are fundamental implications for human freedom.
The United States is preparing for a war against Russia through Ukraine, and what they plan is to try to take Crimea back.
The idea for this third world war is to involve Russia and China against the West.
Stage one you create a problem.
China. Stage one you create a problem. It could be a manufactured virus. You want a reaction and you want them
to either say do something or you want them to accept what the authorities suggest must be done.
Stage two you create a problem. You want them to either say do something or you want them to accept what the
authorities suggest must be done.
So one of the agendas is to massively cull the population.
They want to reduce the numbers.
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