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Jan. 16, 2023 - David Icke

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A Few Cannot Control The Many - Do Not Comply - David Icke

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	Yeah, and I'm deeply unlucky.
	I don't want to worry you.
	In what way are you unlucky?
	Oh no, I'm joking.
	I'm only joking.
	This thing about luck, it's one of the great myths of the world, really.
	We create our own reality.
	So yeah, yeah, I'm going to be getting on to that definitely.
	Blame it away.
	So I think to start with, I want to go back and then I want to go forwards and then I want to come back to the middle again.
	So I just wanted to talk a little bit about our own personal journey.
	So I first came across you in person back in 2013, which can you believe is 10 years ago when I heard you were doing TPV, the Internet TV station.
	And we met obviously there.
	And I obviously made a lot of good contacts there and also gained a husband, but that's a story for another time.
	And we won't be talking about that right now.
	And yeah, so that's when our paths crossed in person.
	But before that, if you go back to, I think it was 1989, was that when you had your first, the thing with seeing the Betty Shine book?
	Yeah, that was early 1990, yeah, March 1990.
	Because at that same time, I was in Regent Street in a tea room, chatting to Betty Shine there, interviewing her for a spooky magazine, because I used to write for a lot of magazines, and she told me Because I wrote up the interview later and she told me, I was asking about some of her successful healings, and she said that a young footballer called David had been to see her and that she'd helped him with a knee injury.
	And I'm thinking, and then when I was reading about the interview, probably a couple of years ago, because I meant to show it to you, I thought, I wonder if that could be our David.
	But you didn't, did you actually meet her?
	Oh yeah, Betty, yeah!
	Oh right, OK, so it is you that she was telling me about back then?
	Yeah, it probably was, yeah, about the knee fits as well.
	Because, yeah, very quickly, the story was that throughout 1989, when I was working for the BBC as a sports presenter, and I was a national spokesman for the British Green Party, I started having really strange experiences, like if I was in a room alone, it didn't feel like I was alone.
	And this got more and more tangible as 1989 unfolded and then became 1990.
	And then in March 1990, I was with my son, Gareth, who was just a little boy then.
	And we were down the seafront here at Ride and we were going to have some lunch in a greasy Joe cafe on the railway station.
	And when we got there, a railway worker came over and started talking to me about football.
	And then when I kind of finished the conversation, I realized Gareth wasn't there, but I knew where he would be.
	He'd be in the little news shop on the station reading steam train books.
	And so I went in there and said to him, come on, Gaz, we'll go up the town and get some lunch because the greasy Joe cafe was packed.
	And it was like, well, what I know it was now, but I didn't know at the time, is that some form of electromagnetic field was enveloped me and the atmosphere changed.
	That's how it indicated itself to me.
	The atmosphere changed very demonstrably.
	And my feet were like being pulled to the ground like magnets.
	And it wasn't a voice, it was a very strong, thoughtful, that passed through my mind, which absolutely wasn't generated by me.
	I'm standing there thinking, what's going on?
	And it said, among other one or two little things, it said, go and look at the books on the far side.
	That's all it said.
	I started walking in a bewildered state towards the books.
	I knew these books.
	They were Mills and Boone novels and Barbara Carlin.
	They were, you know, perfectly formed English roses with perfectly formed English soldiers and romance for tourists on the seafront to read on the beach and the deck chairs.
	So I thought, you know, what am I walking over here for?
	Why am I walking over here?
	What the heck is happening?
	And I looked at, well, there was the Mills and Boone and Barbara Cartland, but in among them was a woman's face.
	And the book was called Mind to Mind.
	And it was by a lady called Betty Shine.
	And I knew nothing about her or anything.
	So I picked the book up because it was different from all the rest.
	And I turned it over and I read the blurb.
	And I saw the word psychic, and it was the biography of a professional psychic.
	So I read it in 24 hours, and then I was fascinated by the content.
	And I contacted her, and I went to see her.
	I went to see her four times.
	First time, nothing happened.
	Second time, nothing happened the second time, really.
	But she was doing the hands-on healing on the On the bones, because I had arthritis.
	And what I told her was not that I, you know, there's very strange presences around me.
	And I'm feeling when I'm in a room alone, I'm not alone.
	And by this time it had got really powerful.
	In fact, I was working for the BBC and I went back to a hotel called the Kensington Hilton, just down from Television Centre in Shepherds Bush.
	And the room was so So full of something that I said out into the room.
	If you're, if you're there, there's something there.
	Would you please contact me?
	Cause you drive me up the wall.
	After that, this thing happened on the seafront in, uh, in right.
	And so I went to see her and, uh, the, the third time, I think it was the third time.
	Um, everything kind of changed cause I, uh, felt like a spy.
	She was doing the hands-on healing on my knee.
	Yeah.
	It felt like there was a spider's web on my face, which I again, I now understand was an electromagnetic field.
	And what struck me was I'd read in her book that when other levels of reality are trying to contact you or connect with you, you sometimes feel like a spider's web on your face because it's an electromagnetic connection.
	Yeah.
	So nothing to her.
	But a few seconds later, She launches her head back and says, my God, this is powerful.
	I've got to close my eyes for this one.
	At which point she started telling me she was seeing a figure in a psychic mind that was wanting to communicate information to me.
	And when you look at my life in the last nearly 33 years now, It kind of puts this into this experience in 1990 in some kind of perspective because she said, I'm being told to tell you that you're going to go out on a world stage and reveal great secrets.
	That one man cannot change the world, but one man can communicate the message that can change the world.
	That sometimes we will lead you to knowledge, and at other times, knowledge will be put directly into your mind.
	And lots of other things, all of which have happened, if you look over the decades since.
	And of course, I was, at the time, Presenting sport for the BBC and was the national spokesman for the British Green Party, but not for long after that.
	Yeah.
	And it all seemed, to say the least, very strange.
	But there was one level of me that said, go with it, go with it, go with it.
	You've got to go with it.
	And I did.
	And of course, it led to eventually to enormous levels of ridicule and abuse.
	But it's all kind of working out now.
	And did Betty Shine help you with your bad knees?
	Well, kind of, yeah, but she actually said, because I went back the following week and the same thing happened again and there was more kind of communications and one of them was, you've not been brought here to be healed, you've been brought here to be contacted, but one day you'll be completely healed.
	And I've got to say that I'm now 70, coming up in a few months 71.
	And at this point in my life, if you've got rheumatoid arthritis,
	as I'm supposed to have according to the diagnosis, then you're looking at it getting worse and worse and worse
	and worse.
	But it's not.
	It's not.
	It doesn't trouble me at all.
	I get on with my life.
	I could go and kick football around with the kids.
	It wouldn't be a problem.
	Now that makes no sense in terms of the prognosis I was given.
	I should have been in a wheelchair.
	In fact, when my football career ended and they diagnosed that, and I was only 21 at the time, one of them said, you might be in a wheelchair in your 30s, given what you've got.
	And I said to him, no bloody chance, mate.
	And I wasn't.
	But it did get very, very bad for a while.
	Very bad.
	But now, I mean, fantastic.
	Yeah, and you mentioned all this happened 33 years ago, but be careful mentioning that.
	I heard you say that in a few interviews, and everyone's going, he's saying 33.
	It's a sign, you know, that you don't care what you're accused of these days.
	You've been accused of everything, everything imaginable over the years.
	Yeah, you see, I tell you the hard thing, the hard thing, Jackie, that when you do things ever since 1990, there comes a point where the year turns to 2023 and you've
	been doing it for 33 years.
	So, you can't avoid that. This time next year I will have been doing it for nearly 34 years.
	Oh, thank God for that.
	He's got to be a Freemason.
	He's been doing it for 33 years.
	We've both said it now.
	We're both Freemasons.
	I've said it now.
	I bloody love it.
	I mean, it's hilarious.
	But then again, you know, you've got to have a lot of fun.
	I mean, Bessie Shine was about 70 back then, wasn't she?
	So, obviously, she's... Oh, she was going on.
	She's not way well, though, but she was going on, yeah.
	She told me one day you were going to be on the other side of the camera and I didn't know what she meant and I'm thinking, oh, hello!
	I didn't really know what she meant when she said that.
	I went, what do you mean the other side?
	Yeah, she was very good, Betsy.
	Very, very good.
	She had her first psychic experiences, I remember in that book, Mind to Mind, I think it was in that book, where she talks about seeing a UFO or something and that's when it all began for her.
	Do you remember that bit in the book?
	Yeah, well I had a chat with her once and she said that she had a, just as an example she was telling me, she had a boy brought to her by his mother who was seeing UFOs and strange things that couldn't be explained.
	And she said, I looked at him on a psychic level.
	And she said, what I saw was his energetic field was not quite attached to his body.
	So instead of his body being the arbiter of reality, This other level was seeing other levels of reality where this energetic field was operating on.
	Instead of the body kind of taking over the reality through the five senses, he was actually not quite in his body.
	So he was seeing things that most other people would never see.
	And you said, I worked on him and Reintegrated his field with his body, she said, and he stopped seeing UFOs and he stopped seeing strange things.
	So he'd been accessing another dimension or another realm or something?
	Yeah, another dimension.
	I mean, this is the thing you see.
	The suppression of knowledge It works on many, many levels.
	You can suppress knowledge that there's a network I call the global cult that's actually running world events beyond politicians and the people that appear to be running it.
	So that's a level of knowledge which is kept from us.
	Then there's the level of knowledge of how politics works, how banking works, and how it's all connected.
	But there's another level of knowledge which is kept from us, which is the most important, because everything else comes from that.
	And that's the knowledge of the nature of reality, the very reality that we're experiencing.
	So if you said to most people, when you look through your eyes, can you see everything that exists in the space you're looking at?
	They'd say yes, because that's what they've been led to believe.
	But they can't.
	We can't.
	What we're looking at in terms of visual reality is the most ridiculously, ludicrously, hysterically narrow band of frequency called visible light.
	mainstream science, which says that the electromagnetic spectrum, which is basically our experienced reality and beyond, if you take that compared with the energy in all its forms in the universe, then the electromagnetic spectrum is about 0.005% of what exists in the universe.
	And visible light, And that's only the universe, not infinity beyond it.
	And visible light, which is the only band of frequency we can see, is a fraction of the 0.005%.
	Now, once you come from that Understanding everything changes because you start to live your life according to the philosophy of Socrates in ancient Greece, who said words to the effect of wisdom is knowing how little we know.
	It gives you humility.
	You realize that actually, given the ridiculously narrow band of frequency that we can see within infinity, There's always more to know.
	And that's the point.
	One thing you can say without fear of contradiction is that whatever we think we know at any point, there's always more to know.
	And so what you have all over human society to keep us in this state of ignorance, are cul-de-sacs of the mind.
	You have the religions that say, all you need to know is within the covers of this book.
	And if you deviate from it, then you're no longer one of us,
	or you're a blasphemer or an infidel or something.
	If you don't believe in scientific orthodoxy, much of which is insane, by the way,
	and the science of the playground, then you're not credible.
	You don't live in the real world.
	And what some of us say is, actually, we've got a bit of humility here.
	And by realizing how little of infinite reality we can see, we are well aware But whatever we think we know, there's always more and more and more to know.
	So your mind is open and you go in search of it, pushing back the cutting edge of knowledge.
	Do you think there are some things that the human mind, the human brain, just will never be able to fully comprehend, no matter how hard we try?
	Well, I think What you have is a programmed human brain.
	What I found interesting was the concept, which is quite relatively new in science, called brain placidity, where before they thought that once the brain was formed, Then that was it.
	That was it for life.
	That's how it's going to be.
	Yeah, it's neuroplasticity, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	But what they now realize is that the way the brain processes information is connected to the information the brain is processing.
	So if you're only hearing one basic narrative of life and everything, Then the neurons connect and fire in a way that reflects that information, that perception.
	But if you are a mind that's fluid and because, you know, there's always more to know, then your brain then can start to process information in a much more fluid and a much more expansive way.
	So I think the answer to that question is because it's of its nature, I think the brain will have a certain
	limitation, probably, but nothing like the limitation that we've given it.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, I think you can go on, you can go out beyond just the brain into a much more expanded level of consciousness.
	And you can become aware of things that the five sense mind, which is what this conspiracy, oh my God, he said it, is desperate for us to remain in.
	If you Uh, only process information through the five senses.
	Can I see it, touch it, hear it, etc.
	Yeah.
	And you are operating on a tiny, tiny band of possibility, even within visible light.
	I mean, it's almost laughable.
	And if you look at how we're told to self-identify, we're told to self-identify ourselves with the labels of a human life.
	I'm a man, I'm a woman, I'm something in between, I'm this income bracket, I'm this race, I'm this sexuality.
	Then they're all five-sense perceptions.
	They're five-sense labels for a five-sense experience.
	And if you focus and self-identify the I only with that, then you're going to be operating in a, what I would call, a prison of the mind.
	Can I just ask you there quickly?
	What is your definition or understanding of a human mind?
	Well, I think we have many levels of consciousness, you see.
	And mind, for me, is that that directly interacts with the body.
	But we have what some people call a soul, which is another level of perception, another level of energetic field.
	And eventually we become infinity.
	I mean, imagine you have a Wi-Fi field.
	And you've got a computer connected to the Wi-Fi field.
	Now, as we've seen in places like China, you can firewall computer systems so they only read part of the Wi-Fi field, which means you can only get part of the Internet and not all the Internet that the Chinese authorities, for instance, don't want you to see.
	Yeah.
	Well, if your brain can be programmed only to see life in a certain way, Then you are that firewalled computer.
	You're only going to process information from the, if you like, the Wi-Fi field that is in line with that perception.
	And so when when people say, you know, this whole alternative arena, why don't people get it?
	Why don't people get it?
	It's so obvious.
	Well, yeah, it's obvious to you, but If you were a firewalled computer and if you had firewalls in your mind so that you couldn't literally compute
	The information you can understand, then you wouldn't get it.
	And the idea is that this conspiracy, like I say, is to hold us in a low perception of reality and a skewed perception of reality.
	So we think everything is solid when it patently is not.
	That's the way we experience it.
	Yes.
	Just like You have the Wi-Fi field, which is a radiation field full of information.
	I mean, how much information is in that field, given it's the entirety of the Internet?
	What goes on your screen?
	Your computer screen, first of all, what goes on your screen is a completely different form of that information compared with the Wi-Fi field.
	You know, you say to people, what's the Internet?
	They'll say, oh, well, it's pictures and graphics and words.
	And yes, it is.
	But only on the screen.
	Everywhere else, it's a Wi-Fi field or it's electronic codes and electronic circuits.
	So what causes some people to have a firewalled mind, and other people to never have one, and some people to grow one over time, and some people to get rid of the firewalls?
	I mean, what's the whole process, do you think?
	And why will some people always remain closed-minded in that way?
	Well, in the end, it's the choice.
	Because if you look at a human life, what it is is a perception program.
	It's what it is from cradle to grave.
	Now, if you fall for the perception program because you never ask
	questions about what you're told, you never doubt what you're told.
	You never go in search of other information to test out if what you're
	being told is true, then you'll just take whatever the program tells you to believe.
	And that's where vast numbers of people are at.
	That's why people just bought the COVID thing without question and have the jab without questioning what was in it or how long it had been trialed or whether it was trialed at all.
	Because if you look, like I say, at a human life, you come out of the womb, And immediately your parents are influencing your perception.
	Now they're overwhelmingly not doing it through malevolence, but they've been through the system you're about to go through and bought it.
	And so they're passing on what they think is best for you when actually it's what they've programmed to think is best for you.
	You then very early on, I mean, blimey, at least it was five years old when I was growing up in the 50s.
	But now it's like four or even less.
	You're ending up in a school situation of some kind with an authority figure representing the state and representing the state's version of everything because they're just giving over the curriculum decided by the state.
	And immediately they're telling you what is, what isn't, what's right, what's wrong, what's possible, what's not possible, what's happened, what's not happened.
	They're telling you when you have to be there, when you can leave, when you can go to the toilet, when you can talk.
	Immediately, you've only just bloody arrived here.
	And this then goes on through into college and university.
	Where the state's version of everything is downloaded to you.
	And if you don't hold your own sovereign mind consciousness and say, well, hold on, this is what I'm being told.
	But is it true?
	Then you go on and you accept it.
	And it becomes what do we hear?
	Everybody knows that, mate.
	No, no.
	Everybody thinks they know that because that's all they've ever bloody heard.
	And then you go out from college and university in the world of work, and you meet loads and loads of people who've been through the same system as you only earlier, and they bought it, and therefore everyone is confirming to everyone else that this is the real world, mate, and this is how things are.
	Then, 24-7 now, the same narrative is being bombarded at people.
	Through the mainstream media, Silicon Valley censors on behalf of the official narrative.
	And for most people, it's all they ever hear.
	I was walking down the street just down the road from here a few days ago, and I met a guy who I hadn't seen for decades.
	Lovely man, actually.
	And so I stopped to talk to him, have a chat and catch up.
	And it became clear very early on that this guy, even after all that's happened to people who've had this jab, all the lies that we've been told that have been uncovered and shown to be lies about the whole COVID hoax, that he'd still bought the whole bloody thing and wasn't questioning a word of it.
	And, you know, in the arena that we operate, this alternative information arena, it's Sometimes you can get pulled into the idea that, well, people are waking up and they are more than ever before.
	I'll tell you, I've been doing this for 30 odd years.
	They're more than ever before, but I mean, it's massive now.
	But there's still lots and lots of people who've been through this system I'm describing and are still mesmerized and programmed by it.
	How do you deal with that these days?
	Because I know from my own personal point of view, Over the last sort of year or so, you kind of realise that some people are never going to wake up.
	There's no point even having that conversation with them.
	They're totally closed off.
	Do you still try and educate them or do you just stand back and let them get on with it?
	Oh, I'll throw them a line here and there.
	We're having a chat.
	Yeah.
	But I won't try to convince them.
	I'm actually, you know, not trying to convince anybody.
	That's the strange thing.
	What I'm trying to do and have been all these years is to put information in front of people that they wouldn't normally hear.
	And once I've done that, that's me finished.
	Because if you are walking around saying, you must believe this, then all you're doing is mirroring the system that is going around saying, this is how it is.
	You must believe this.
	You know, if we are going to have people Uh, open their minds to the greater possibility and realize that what they've been told all their life is just a narrow band of, of, uh, of, of version of, of reality.
	And you couldn't get more narrower.
	Um, then, uh, we have to put information in front of people and let them decide what they think of it.
	Not suppress them in any way, but to say, look, this, Have a look at this and if people are interested then I'll carry on but if they're not then I won't bother because you know.
	They can come to you yeah.
	You mentioned earlier when we were talking about Betty Shine about you being given information, being fed information.
	So obviously you have the brain the size of a large planet and you're able to retain all this information but where and obviously some of this information you learn yourself, you research, you remember But do you get information from elsewhere as well?
	And if so, where?
	Well, I mean, if people imagine... Let's keep it simple.
	Let's talk about three dimensions of reality.
	Yeah.
	You've got the third dimension.
	We'll call it the third dimension.
	That's the world of the five senses.
	It's the world that we experience all the time.
	The world of the brain.
	But there's, if people remember, I suppose it's still going in some places, the analog system of radio and television.
	What you had was radio and television stations sharing the same space without interfering with each other, unless they were very close on the dial and then you literally got what we call interference.
	You might get a station that dominated, but you'd have an interference from another station.
	I remember trying to get Radio Luxembourg shows.
	Under the covers.
	That was happening all the time.
	You had all these radio and television stations sharing the same space, but not interfering with each other because they were on different wavelengths.
	And these dimensions are on different wavelengths, but some of them are very close to this one and bleed into it like the fourth dimension, shall we say.
	But because the visible light is such a narrow band of frequency, that we can see.
	We can't see these other dimensions, but we can feel them.
	I mean, you know, when you feel you go into like a haunted house or something or an old mansion where some terrible things have gone on and you feel, you're feeling this fourth dimensional emotional energy in the atmosphere.
	So you are experiencing the third dimension, but interpenetrating it is this fourth dimension, which is operating on a frequency we can't see.
	But this is the realm of ghosts.
	But then you go beyond that.
	The fourth dimension is basically the realm of mind.
	It's the mind.
	You know, people say one of the names given in the esoteric circles for this fourth dimension is the astral dimension.
	And people talk about astral traveling.
	Well, what that means is they're traveling in their mind.
	Beyond the body.
	But then you get the fifth dimension and beyond out into infinity.
	And that's an expanded level of awareness, which is beyond the illusions of this reality.
	And out there is insight, knowledge, awareness that you can tap into.
	And so what I was told with the Betty Shine experience in 1990, like I said earlier, was that knowledge was going to be led to knowledge.
	And knowledge was going to be put into my mind at other times.
	What happened was that from the moment basically I left her front room at the end of all that, My life became an extraordinary synchronistic journey of walking into information.
	It could be a personal experience, it might be a document, a book, it might be someone I met.
	Endless different sources of information synchronistically coming into my life.
	And what I would do was look at that information and then make conclusions as a result of it.
	But after about two or three years, so we're looking at, what, 1993, That started to shift and I would conclude what was happening first and then the five sense names, dates, places, information would follow.
	And that's been pretty much going on ever since.
	For instance, just after the turn of the millennium, I just got so strong.
	That what we call the human world is actually a simulation, a virtual reality simulation, and the limit of this simulation at the level we experience it is the speed of light.
	And the speed of light is not the fastest speed, of course it's not, but it's the fastest speed within the reality that we experience.
	That's why it appears to be the fastest speed.
	And it was 20 years later in Scientific American in May-April 2021 that an article appeared from an academic Saying that he concluded that we live in a simulation and the limit of the simulation is the speed of light.
	And he related the speed of light to processing speed.
	He said, you know, you can have your rules of your virtual reality, which is what we call the laws of physics, by the way.
	Yeah.
	But there's always a limit with the processing speed, which he related to the speed of light.
	But the reason I tell you that is that More and more mainstream scientists now are starting to conclude, actually, if we take the simulation hypothesis, it does actually explain a hell of a lot that the previous hypothesis simply cannot explain.
	But that came to me direct.
	It didn't come via books or anything like that.
	It came direct.
	And that's been kind of going on since about 1993.
	It's got more and more Yeah, I was going to ask you, do you get information in your sleep?
	And do you dream?
	Well, yeah, yeah.
	You don't necessarily remember the dreams.
	Basically, for me, and a lot of people watching this will understand the process.
	It's like a knowing.
	It is a knowing.
	It's so funny, I've got that written on my notepad here, the knowing.
	I was thinking about that film with Nicolas Cage when I wrote it as well, and I was going to ask you about the knowing.
	Yeah, if you relate the knowing to intuition, intuition is a very different process of accessing information than the brain.
	Because where does intuition come from?
	What do we say?
	We say, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking.
	And then we go, I just know, I just know, I just know.
	That has to do with where it's coming from.
	It's coming from somewhere here that we're connecting with intuition.
	And the brain, if you notice, goes through a process of thought to try to work out what's going on.
	But intuition comes as a package.
	It's not a process that leads to a conclusion.
	The conclusion and all around it comes with the intuition.
	I just know what's going on.
	And this is related to this consciousness, this expanded consciousness.
	Call it the fifth dimension, whatever you like.
	But this conspiracy is designed to hold us From accessing.
	That's why we need to be kept in low vibrational states of emotion, fear, anxiety, hatred.
	All these things are low vibrational states which hold us in a low vibrational state.
	Once you feel joy and love and all these high vibrational states, you go into a completely different level of reality and emotional and mental state.
	I've become unwatchable in a way.
	Yeah, when you are feeling in these low vibrational states, what do people say?
	Oh, I feel so heavy today.
	Oh, I've got the world on my shoulders.
	Well, this is mainstream science now.
	They've long known that every emotion and every thought, depending on its nature, generates a frequency.
	And these low vibrational emotions are generating low vibrational frequencies into our electromagnetic field.
	And when we feel them, when we go into those states, we bring the field down.
	It becomes denser.
	Hence, I feel so heavy today.
	And then when we feel joy and love and happiness and all the high vibrational emotions, we say things like, I feel so light today.
	I feel so, so light.
	Because they're fast, quick frequencies that are vibrating our energetic field in relation to that high vibration.
	Let me just finish this point.
	If you can keep the target population in low vibrational mental and emotional states, particularly emotional, so powerful, Then you can keep them from accessing these expanded levels of awareness.
	And also, if you can control their perception so they are myopic in their perception of possibility, and you keep from them the nature of reality, you tell them everything's random and this is solid and what you experience is how it is.
	It's not.
	Then you keep people in these low vibrational states in a state of not accessing these expanded levels of awareness.
	But when you do, I mean, what's this word we keep hearing all the time now?
	Awakening.
	People are awakening.
	What does that mean?
	It means they're awakening from these five sense prison cells, these perceptual prison cells, and they are connecting with higher and higher, more expanded levels of awareness.
	And when they do that, they see the world differently.
	Instead of seeing everything as random and everything as an unconnected dot, they start to see how the dots connect because now they're looking at the panorama or from the panorama and not just from the myopic.
	And this is what I call this global cult behind world events is desperate to stop.
	This is the awakening.
	This is what it means.
	So who are these controllers and do they actually, the ones that are actually keeping, trying to keep us in this low vibrational state, are they people we see?
	Are they people behind the scenes?
	Are the people that we perceive to be the controllers actually just puppets of the ones behind the scenes when it comes to keeping people in this state of fear and low vibration?
	Of course, I've been ridiculed for decades for saying that behind this global cult in the human reality is a non-human force.
	And what I found interesting, particularly since the COVID card was played, is how many more people, tremendously more people, I've started to open their mind to this possibility because they look around the world and they see the agenda that's unfolding as blatantly anti-human.
	If you look at all that the basic needs for survival of humans and this cult through your Gates's and your swabs and all the they're just gophers and all these other assets and agents.
	They are hijacking what humans need to survive.
	They're hijacking the food, they're hijacking the access to warmth and power and everything.
	So they've seen that the agenda is anti-human.
	And so the next question is, including messing with the atmosphere, by the way, the next question is, well, is it too much of a stretch then To think that an anti-human agenda could be orchestrated ultimately by a non-human force, which it is.
	And so if I just give you the structure that I've uncovered over the years, and then people, like I said earlier, people will just decide what they think about it.
	I'm not trying to tell them what to believe.
	But if you take this astral dimension, which interpenetrates this one and actually bleeds into it, Um, and interacts with it, interferes with it.
	Then that low, low, uh, lower level of this astral, what they call the lower astral, the lower frequency levels of this astral dimension.
	That's where what people call demons are.
	You know, it's interesting when you see common themes across apparently completely unconnected, uh, People, groups, religions, whatever.
	And so what happened in the 1990s is I traveled America a lot, and I met a lot of whistleblowers, you might say, within the military-industrial intelligence complex, who were telling me that actually behind human events is a non-human force.
	It massively takes a reptilian form, but not only.
	And so I then started meeting people, again, synchronistically as I traveled the world in America and Britain, who were telling me stories of having experience of these reptilian entities, various forms of stories, which I included in the books.
	And then I thought, well, if this is true, then It can't have just started, it has to go back.
	So it must be mentioned in what we call history.
	So I started looking at ancient cultures.
	I talked to people in the Aboriginal community in Australia, in the Zulu community, in Africa, the Native Americans in America.
	I've traveled massively researching this, 60 countries and more.
	And I saw extraordinary common themes of a non-human force manipulating human society from the hidden.
	And from the hidden means what?
	Outside of visible light!
	Which is funny!
	The common themes were fantastic and the names they gave to these entities were obviously different in different cultures.
	What they were describing was the same.
	And then I realized, you know, the religions are talking about the same thing.
	So you have Christians talk about demons, a demonic force, which you can't see, but influences and manipulates human society and human mind, human perception.
	Then you go to Islam and they talk about the jinn manipulating human society from the hidden.
	And then you look at documents that were found in an earthen jar in 1945 from the Gnostic belief system,
	which are estimated to have been put in that jar around 400 AD.
	And they describe about a fifth of the writings are talking about a non-human force they call archons,
	which is Greek for rulers, who are manipulating human society from the hidden.
	And they describe the archons in the terms of the jinn and demons.
	And I was in a taxi.
	I've been driven from New York Airport JFK to the city and there was a Muslim taxi driver and he's talking to me.
	He said, Oh, what are you working on now?
	And I told him, I said, I'm reading this stuff about about the Gnostics because I've got two big thick books up there, which are translations of these documents.
	And I told him about what the The Gnostics were saying in these writings about the Archons, and he said to me, he said, that sounds like the Djinn!
	Yes!
	And what you see is, although they give them different names, the way they're described is the same.
	And there's this non-human force.
	And then you come to this, which is something you will have come across.
	Why is it that through human history, right to present day, by the way, it's just hidden now, That people have been sacrificing people, animals, whatever, to quote the gods.
	Who are these gods?
	I mean, one of the things I came across when I started really getting into this research and, you know, synchronicity in my life was leading me there, was the so-called rich and famous in politics and business and banking and Hollywood and all these places.
	were invariably into Satanism, not least pedophilia as well, but Satanism.
	So they were going to these satanic rituals to make sacrifices to the gods.
	Well, what are these bloody gods?
	What were the gods that they were sacrificing young virgins to in history?
	Young virgins, of course, being code for children.
	And you realize that what I've done, of course, over the years is talk to endless people who've taken part in these rituals, many, most, in fact, not all, but most against their will.
	And they describe this process of what's happening, that they are sacrificing the person And the ritual leading up to that is designed to elicit maximum terror from the victim.
	And of course, we all kind of hear these stories of Satanist drinking the blood of a human sacrifice, sick as you can imagine.
	But there's another thing.
	So how is that a sacrifice to the gods?
	Well, what is happening is this terror Um, is being generated in the way I talked about earlier.
	Every time we have emotion or thought, we're generating a frequency which generates the field to a certain frequency, which relates to that thought and emotion.
	Well, terror has a very, very fierce, low, powerful mind.
	Frequency and these gods who are operating outside of human sight but in the frequency that emotional happens, this astral, and thought happens, this astral, they're feeding off this emotional, the generations of terror generated by the by the sacrifice.
	And that's what the sacrifice to the gods is.
	It's energy, it's terror, it's fear.
	And so.
	You have this this level, this lower astral level where this demonic realm is, and you have the world of the humans.
	Now, the frequencies these, quote, demonic entities consciousness operates on is different to this one.
	So what they've created in this reality to manipulate us on their behalf is a network of interconnected secret societies like a global web.
	To impose the will of these demonic gods upon human society.
	And so, this is why I've described this web, this global cult, as I call it, in these terms.
	Imagine a web, a spider's web, around the Earth.
	And in the middle of the web is the spider.
	The spider are these demonic, quote, gods operating in this lower astral dimension just outside of human sight.
	The strands in the web, and all these strands in the web, are either secret societies, they are semi-secret groups, or they are organizations in the public arena that we know about and hear on the news every day.
	And the strands in the web immediately around the spider are the most exclusive secret societies.
	They're the ones that really know what the hell's going on and why.
	And as you come out from the spider, you're then meeting the secret societies we do know about.
	The Knights of Malta, the Templar, the inner core of the Jesuit order, Opus Dei, the Freemasons, and I mean the inner core of the Freemasons by the way, not Bill and Joe down the Lodge.
	And so you're coming out from the spider and you're still in the hidden And then you reach a point in the web that I call the cusp.
	And this is the point where the hidden part of the web meets the seen part of the web.
	And at this cusp, you've got the Bilderberg group.
	You've got things like the World Economic Forum.
	You've got the Council on Foreign Relations in America, the Trilateral Commission, you've got the Club of Rome that was created by this cult in 1968 to specifically exploit environmental concerns to justify the centralization of global power.
	And you have at this cusp also what is now an extraordinary global number of what are called NGOs, non-governmental organizations, and so-called think tanks.
	And the role of the, um, the cusp organizations is to take the agenda for humanity, ultimately coming from the astral quote gods and Take it from the hidden and play it out into the scene.
	And so we come out into the world that we see governments, government agencies, banking systems, corporations, World Health Organization, Silicon Valley, mainstream media, and to the population, which is what we're encouraged to believe, All these different organizations and groupings are random.
	They're working in and of themselves.
	And the vast majority of people in those organizations believe that.
	But if you go deep enough in these organizations, you reach a point where they attach to this web.
	And at that point, Within them, they are all the same organization.
	So Silicon Valley is the World Health Organization, the government regulatory agencies protecting us from Big Pharma is Big Pharma, and so on and so forth.
	So suddenly the world looks very different.
	Instead of all these organizations being random and working independently, they are all actually at that web level, working to the same goal.
	Now, if you take the web level of, say, a newspaper or a media organization, the web level then sets the agenda for the whole organization.
	So people who are presenting the news or calling themselves journalists, They know they have a limit of what they can say and what they can do, or they'll be out the bloody door.
	This web level of those organizations, which is out of the public eye, that is deciding what those parameters and limits are.
	The same is happening in Silicon Valley, where they're deciding what is going to be censored and what isn't.
	The same is happening in the World Health Organization in terms of what they say people should do and what they What they shouldn't.
	And so if you look at the COVID example of this, you had the World Health Organization that was created by the Rockefeller family, massively involved in this cult, massively.
	It was created by the Rockefeller family in 1948.
	It's now run by Bill Gates, not least through funding, and he's a Rockefeller gopher.
	Those two founders have been very close going way back.
	World Health Organization then just announces a what COVID is.
	Hey, be how dangerous it is.
	And then what people have to do countries all over the world to respond to it.
	And then Silicon Valley over here, right at the start, you remember, these corporations and look at, you know, the backgrounds of Facebook and Google and places like that, and you'll hit the military industrial complex, intelligence complex, in terms of the creation of them.
	And these Silicon Valley corporations announced right early on that they were going to censor anything that contradicted or challenged or exposed in truth the World Health Organization version of events.
	Now, that to an onlooker would seem ridiculous because you've got this organization, which is kind of supposed to be about health.
	It's not.
	And then you've got Silicon Valley.
	We're supposed to be a town square to have the free flow and interaction of opinion and view and evidence.
	But this is saying we're censoring anything that's questioning this.
	Well, the reason for that is if you go deep enough into these Silicon Valley corporations, you meet the web.
	And the World Health Organization is controlled by the web.
	So what that situation suddenly becomes is a web organization protecting the narrative put out by another web organization.
	Then another example, you have Big Pharma that's produced these fake vaccines.
	Big Pharma was created from the start by the Rockefeller family, people like J.D.
	Rockefeller, the oil tycoon.
	And they have become this massive global killing machine.
	And what they've been doing, if you notice, who you won't fail to notice,
	they've gone to the regulatory agencies asking for permission to use this fake vaccine
	that's had no trials, worth the name, and has been devastating health and life ever since.
	They'll go to the CDC, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in America,
	they'll go to the FDA, the Food and Drug Administration, they'll go to the MHRA in Britain,
	run by this clueless woman who should be in jail called June Rain,
	and they ask for permission to use their fake vaccines on younger and younger people.
	And you know, when they ask for it, they're going to get it.
	You know why?
	Because the cult owns Big Pharma created it.
	And it also owns the regulatory agencies that Big Pharma wants permission from to do what they want to do.
	And when they, for instance, in this country, You had a just a one one time pushback from the UK government vaccine recommendation committee for I think it was 12 to 15 year olds.
	Where they said, our recommendation is that healthy 12 to 15 year olds don't need the jab.
	Well, that's going right against the agenda that says we want every man, woman and child on the planet jabbed with this synthetic genetic nanotechnology.
	So they brought forward Christopher Witte.
	And they said, oh, well, you go away and have a think about it and see if you recommend something different.
	And he comes back and he says, well, he can't give a medical health justification because the committee said there isn't one.
	So he says, oh, well, it would be better for the education of the children if they had it because we could keep the schools open and all that stuff.
	That gravity came.
	So, wherever you look, the agenda rolls out between these co-organizations, and whenever it goes a bit pear-shaped, like then, someone's brought in to make sure it rolls out.
	And this is happening all over the world in every area of human society, because it's coordinated.
	But of course, it can only happen when 8 billion are being manipulated by a relative handful, compared with Yeah.
	Where the 8 billion give their mind away, their power away, their perception away, their behaviour away, to the few.
	Can I ask you what these hidden controllers want from us and our sacrifices that we're giving them and making for them?
	What do they want?
	Are we cattle?
	Are we insects?
	Are we fuel?
	Well, they see us like cattle, yes.
	That's why they treat us like cattle.
	But one of the fundamental reasons is that we are their energy source.
	I mean, it's a long story and I go into it in the books in detail.
	It's like in The Matrix.
	Yeah, this simulation needs an energy source and this consciousness in all its forms, that's this manipulative force, Needs an energy source.
	There's reasons for that, which I go into in the books, like I say.
	So the energy source they've set up is human emotion and human thought, but particularly emotion.
	So when The Morpheus character in the Matrix held up that battery and said, the machines have turned humans into one of these.
	That was profoundly true on a symbolic level.
	Yeah.
	If we can be held, you imagine eight billion people and the emotion that they generate in an hour.
	Imagine if you create like the First World War, the Second World War, you create wars constantly, you create conflict, you create suffering.
	Grief.
	Yeah.
	What you're doing is you are creating the circumstances in which humans will generate what?
	Low vibrational emotional responses and you're feeding off that.
	So what I described with the satanic rituals and the actual sacrifice to the gods was the terror, the fear of the sacrifice.
	Then that is just a ritual version of what's happening all the time and how we are empowering this force to recycle that energy against us to keep us in servitude.
	And so they don't want us with big open hearts.
	They don't want love.
	They don't want compassion.
	They don't want empathy.
	They don't want this Understanding that outside of the body, we're all one consciousness, having different experiences, that we're all each other.
	They don't want that.
	They want us to constantly be at war with each other, constantly in low vibrational states, constant suffering.
	I mean, you look around the world and, you know, people with a few bob in the West might think, oh, yeah, I'm not having a bad life.
	Yeah.
	Well, you travel a bit.
	And you go through Africa, and you go through South America, you go through Central America, you go through many other, you go through Asia often.
	And you'll see tremendous amounts of suffering and tremendous amounts of challenges that people are facing every day.
	And this is all generating, even without the wars, which are endless, and they're endless for that reason, by the way, or among many others, but that foundation reason.
	They are generating this unbelievable amount of constant low vibrational emotion
	which these entities are feeding off and using as their power source.
	And how much of that do you think those in control shall we say but who are lower
	down the pecking order actually know about that, about what the hidden controllers age on?
	How much like our government, for example?
	Yeah, most of them are clueless, but some of them aren't.
	It depends how high up they are in the hierarchy.
	Yeah.
	You will have, and this is what they've done.
	They've set up a system of information suppression and perception suppression.
	That means people are laughing in the face of what's actually happening.
	Yeah.
	So when you reveal how this whole thing works, they laugh at you and think you're mad.
	Not because you are.
	But because they cannot literally compute what you're saying, because it's outside of their field of the sense of the possible.
	And that's why control of information is so vital.
	And what we have, and it's worth mentioning this, we seem to be in one world, but actually we're in two.
	You've got the world of this cult, and then you've got the general population.
	The word of the cult is made up of a global network of secret societies and the secret societies are fundamentally compartmentalized.
	You look at any secret society, take the Freemasons, let's take the Scottish writer Freemason.
	There are 33 degrees, well 33 official ones.
	And the vast majority of Freemasons are on the bottom three levels of degree, the so-called blue degrees.
	And they never get any higher.
	And some people get higher, and a few get to the 33rd degree, which is only the top of the official level, it's not really the top.
	And so at each level of degree, what are degrees?
	They're degrees of knowledge.
	And so the higher you go, the more knowledge you get.
	But even then, the compartmentalization also has a twist.
	I read a book a long time ago now, back in the 90s, by a Freemason in America called Shaw.
	I think his name was Shaw.
	And he was describing, because eventually he saw it, he saw the scam and he rebelled against it
	and then the life the Freemasons had given him and the jobs that he got because he was a Freemason
	suddenly disappeared. But he was saying that not only do you kind of get more knowledge as you go
	They twist the knowledge.
	So they'll tell you something here.
	And then when you get here, they'll say, oh, forget what we told you here.
	That was just that was just that level.
	Now, this is the real story.
	Then you get a bit higher and they'll do the same.
	So they're keeping even their own structure in ignorance.
	So only a very, very few people know the real story.
	And I'm sure there's endless Freemasons laughing their socks off with me talking about a non-human force.
	Because they, at their level, won't even know about it.
	So you've got these two worlds.
	And the world of the cult, what's that?
	That's keeping secrets.
	That's why they have secret societies.
	Keeping secrets from who?
	From the population.
	So what you have is the generations of the cult, and a lot of this stuff goes through families, to safer and you keep it in-house.
	And they're passing over this knowledge through the generations now.
	They're passing over knowledge of where the world's being taken.
	And they're passing over knowledge about the nature of reality.
	They're also passing over knowledge about how the human psyche works because they are brilliant at manipulating human perception.
	That's their great genius.
	Yeah.
	Now, over here in the population, they don't want anyone to know that.
	That's why they pass it through the secret society network.
	So over here, they've set up a system.
	I described it earlier.
	Of so-called information, which is actually perceptual indoctrination and download.
	So you go through the school system.
	They don't tell you what they know.
	It's designed not to do that.
	You go through the university and college system.
	They don't tell you what they know.
	It's designed to stop that.
	And then you go through the global media.
	They're not going to tell you what they know, not least because most of them don't really know.
	And so you've got a world And another world and the difference between them is knowledge.
	And if you have vastly advanced knowledge compared with the population you're targeting and want to manipulate, you're in a tremendous position of power already.
	And what people like me are doing and people like you is taking what these people know And don't want us to know and saying to the population, hey, this is what's going on.
	Make of it what you will.
	And when you do that, of course, because of this structure.
	The difference between what the secret society cult knows and what the population knows is so such a chasm.
	But so often when you say, hey, this is what's going on, they laugh at you and ridicule you and abuse you.
	And so if you're going to do this, you don't do it so that they'll make a statue of you.
	You do it because you believe it's right.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, you spoke a bit earlier about the knowing, and I've always believed that all humans are kind of born Knowing, and then it's gradually undone by our parents and our teachers and the world.
	We know very little.
	But do you think that all humans are born with this inner knowledge that gradually gets eroded?
	Or do you think only some people are?
	Well, you know, my latest book, I mean, this takes us into some deep areas.
	My latest book is called The Trap.
	Yeah.
	And it's not just about the level that humans experience.
	It's about other levels of this simulation.
	So, can I put this?
	I looked at the world as it unfolded and the research unfolded and I thought, I can understand that consciousness might come here because it didn't realize what it was letting itself in for.
	I thought, but it makes no sense that you keep bloody coming.
	You know, because like I said earlier, you know, you've got, uh, you know, people with a few Bob in the West that might, uh, might be having what they think is a nice life and, you know, enjoying their life.
	Okay.
	But the vast majority of people in the world, the vast majority of the 8 billion are living daily, incredibly challenging lives.
	It's no bloody fun often.
	So why would you keep coming back?
	And then I looked at this thing called reincarnation and I looked at the evidence for it over a number of years and concluded actually it was real, that this was happening.
	But when I looked at the explanation for it from like the Eastern religions and such like, that you have to keep coming in to this reality to learn lessons, to reach a point of quote enlightenment where you no longer have to keep coming.
	The vicious circle ends, if you like.
	Well, if you look at mainstream science estimate, currently, of the size of the universe, then planet Earth is the equivalent of a billionth of a pinhead.
	Now, I, for the life of me, could not understand, cannot understand, Why you would have to keep reincarnating onto a billionth of a pinhead to learn lessons to reach a point of enlightenment where you don't have to keep incarnating on the billionth of a pinhead?
	It made no sense to me.
	So on one level, I thought this reincarnation is real.
	I can see enough evidence of it, but I don't buy it.
	I don't buy the explanation at all.
	So anyway, the synchronicity in my life took me to this conclusion that this simulated reality, this virtual reality, which actually the Gnostics talked about in those writings in Nagavadi, they described it as a fake copy.
	They said this archontic force had created a fake copy of original Earth.
	And it was actually what we would call in our world today, ultimate universal reality. And so that found that
	interesting given that they are estimated to have been put in that jar about 400 AD. But so it seemed
	to me that this simulation has other levels and that what we call the spirit world, not all of
	it because beyond this simulation in in its multiple levels is infinity.
	We're talking about a tiny, tiny little, if you like, virtual reality prison cell for the mind.
	When you leave the body, In a state of consciousness.
	If your vibration is not through your perception, your perception dictates your vibration.
	That's why control of perception is so important to this cult.
	It's not just keeping you in line here.
	It's making sure your vibration when you leave the body is not high enough to get out the bloody place.
	So you then go into other levels of this simulation, which are perceived by consciousness in that state as heaven or the spirit world, and then they get recycled back.
	And I go into this in some, well, more than some detail in the track.
	So what I'm saying is, you've got consciousness coming in, To this reality that is in the trap, is in the reincarnation trap, because it can't get beyond this, the frequency barriers of this simulation.
	And interestingly, again, the different ancient cultures talk about this.
	And there's an old esoteric concept of what they call the ring pass not.
	And the Ring Pass Not is a point, a frequency shield, think of it as a bubble, which if you're not in a high enough frequency state, because of your perception, your self-awareness, your self-identity, then you can't get through the shield.
	And when you reach a point of awareness, perception, where your frequency is high enough,
	you go straight through it like it doesn't exist.
	Now, this is where the concept comes from in the Eastern religions
	of you have to keep reincarnating to reach a state of enlightenment,
	enlightenment frequency that allows you to leave the cycle.
	But we can leave it anytime we want as long as we reach the frequency necessary to do it.
	It's a trap.
	The whole thing's a bloody trap.
	So you've got consciousness coming in, which is in the cycle and has been in the cycle.
	And you've got other consciousness coming in from outside the outside the simulation that's not in the cycle that has come to try to make a difference and to put before people
	What the situation is to to help break the trap and and so you you have very different states of consciousness coming into what we call incarnation and and some will see what I tell you the only time I've taken psychoactive drugs It was in 2003 in a Brazilian rainforest.
	It was something called ayahuasca.
	It's a rainforest plant.
	I took it over two nights.
	I could have taken over four, but that was enough for me.
	I got what I wanted and I've never felt to do it again.
	The first night, I had an experience, an otherworldly experience, over about two hours.
	The second night, I had a bigger dose, shall we say.
	And for five hours, we took a female form.
	This female voice spoke to me about the nature of reality and how reality, as we experience it, is completely and utterly illusory.
	And there is no physical.
	It's just the way we interact and experience it.
	And I've explained all this in the books.
	It's quite very simple.
	And so I realized that at that point, that the world that I was experiencing was not the world I thought I was experiencing.
	And that's Started this process of me going down this road of exploring reality.
	And when I came back to Britain from Brazil, I had total recall of the of the information.
	And I started looking into mainstream science and the different disciplines, and not least quantum physics.
	And I realized that actually, if these disciplines would just bloody talk to each other instead of being in conflict.
	You know, battling for funding and prestige.
	They just talk to each other.
	If you put the bits together, they've already shown that this world is that we think is physical, is not physical at all.
	And so what one of the things that happened in this ayahuasca experience where this voice is that I suddenly saw this picture.
	of this field, just a country field, you know.
	And then there was a path, a mud path just winding across the field.
	And suddenly out of the out of the sky came all these people.
	And they were dropping onto this path and they were walking through it.
	And as they walked along the path, it started to get worn away and get deeper and deeper and deeper.
	And suddenly it morphed into the one of those old vinyl record grooves on the old vinyl records.
	And people are walking through the grooves and it's dark now and they can't see.
	And the words that were accompanying this from this female voice was, this is what is happening.
	People, a consciousness, comes into this reality and then gets Basically so used to it, so programmed by it, that when it comes back it drops straight back into the old system and it's very, very easy to control because it's just repeating what it's done before.
	And this is why this so-called awakening It's not really so cool, but it's that understanding what this awakening is.
	What you're doing is you are expanding your awareness out into the field of consciousness until you're breaking through the limitations of the five senses and the lower mind, and you're accessing those levels of awareness that are beyond this simulated bloody nonsense.
	And at that point, you see it.
	But of course, you're trying to communicate it to vast numbers of people.
	More and more people are seeing it now.
	But over the last 33 years, you're trying to communicate this to people who are still in the five senses.
	And of course, they can't compute it.
	But like I say, it's getting very encouraging now because more and more people are beginning to open their sense of the possible.
	That's what it is.
	Yeah, things they wouldn't think about before.
	And that's an important point.
	Part of this two world knowledge suppression and communication is to squeeze the human sense of the possible.
	Because if you can do that, when people come along and say, actually, this is what's going on, their sense of the possible is so squeezed that they'll just dismiss it.
	For instance, I said earlier, we see a narrow band of frequency called visible light.
	So when someone who doesn't know that, people don't know that, those that don't know that, which is most people, Um, when people say, I saw this UFO, and it came out of nowhere, honestly, mate, it just appeared out of nowhere.
	And then it disappeared into nowhere.
	Or this entity appeared at the end of the bed out of nowhere, and then it just disappeared into nowhere.
	Of course, the five sense mind, with its squeezed sense of the possible, says that's impossible.
	That's ridiculous.
	What do you want?
	But it's so simple.
	When you enter visible light to the observer, the human observer, that appears out of nowhere.
	It hasn't appeared out of nowhere.
	It's appeared out of another frequency into yours, which you can see, and suddenly to you, it seems to have appeared out of nowhere.
	When it leaves your visible light frequency, it appears to have disappeared into nowhere, but it hasn't.
	It's just disappeared into a level of frequency that you can't see.
	And so that's just one example that if you squeeze a sense of the possible by squeezing access to knowledge in the mainstream arena, then you get people to dismiss what is perfectly explainable.
	Yeah, I was going to ask you as well, if, as you said earlier, the simulation that we're living in is all down to perception, and perception comes from thought, which comes from humans.
	If there were no humans, would there be no simulation?
	There'd be no place for humans to live, if there weren't humans, if it's all based around perception and thought?
	Well, that is a very, very good point.
	Because it leads me into what this simulation is.
	And the answer is basically yes, because of what I'm going to say.
	Our foundation self is not here.
	This is an illusory self.
	I call it phantom self.
	It's a projection.
	We actually operate and exist in other realms of reality, including the astral one level of this.
	So how I explain it in the trap is like, imagine, okay, you can see the brain in the 3D world, but you can't see the mind.
	The mind is an electromagnetic field and that's operating in the astral world because everything's interconnected.
	So what the brain is doing is processing information.
	It's processing information from the mind through the astral.
	And the manipulation is really going on in the astral at the level of mind.
	And that's where the simulation is communicated to us in the form of information.
	Now, in this room, if there was a Wi-Fi field, where is it?
	Where is it?
	I can't see it.
	But, and if I said to people, in this room is a field of information that has an entire global reality, the internet, within it.
	But people I was talking to knew nothing about computers or any of that.
	They'd say, you're mad, mate.
	What are you talking about?
	Ridiculous.
	But because people know about computers now, and Wi-Fi, when I say that there's a field of information in this room, a radiation field that contains the entire internet, people don't go, you're mad, they go, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Wi-Fi, I know about that, yeah, okay.
	And what's the difference between, you're mad, and oh yeah, I know about that?
	Knowledge, that's all it is, that's why they have to keep knowledge from us, and the sense of the possible, as squeezed as possible.
	So out of this field of information, the Wi-Fi, like I said earlier, the computer locks into it and manifests the Wi-Fi field information or part of it in a very, very different form on the screen.
	And so what we are doing through the mind is taking information, which is the matrix information, And we are decoding it into a sense of 3D reality.
	I explain in the books how this is done.
	And so the mind is decoding the matrix.
	So without the mind decoding the matrix, there can, in effect, be no matrix to answer the question.
	And if you look at the Matrix movies, which are very, very symbolic in so many ways, The characters, your Morpheus and your Trinity and your Neo, they never went into the Matrix with their bodies.
	They went into the Matrix with their mind.
	There was that probe in the back of the brain, the back of the neck, and the probe fed the brain information that they then experienced as the Matrix.
	And then they came out of the matrix and they were no longer in it because their brain was no longer processing that information.
	So this reality is actually being decoded by the mind into what we think we're experiencing.
	And basically the same way as the matrix portrayed it in the movies.
	So without the mind, there is no matrix.
	No.
	And that's why Control of the mind and control of perception of the mind is so important.
	And why?
	When you go beyond the vibrational limits of this simulation into expanded levels of consciousness beyond what we call mind, that's when you see it and you assess it.
	You realize the nature of the reality we're experiencing.
	And that's when you become dangerous as well to the controllers.
	Yeah, you become dangerous, not when you know it, but when people are listening to you.
	That's their worst nightmare.
	And what is happening, as I've been On my own journey, I didn't know this in 1990, you're on a journey and you learn more and more and you expand more and more.
	And see, this is why accumulation of information, yes, is one part of what you do, but working on yourself To get rid of these emotional mental states that act like energetic balls and chains holding you down, you have to work on yourself as well.
	This is what a lot of people who are in the alternative arena, who accumulate the information, the names, dates, places, information, if you don't work on yourself, to expand your own awareness beyond this realm of manipulation, then you'll go so far but no further.
	You certainly won't go into these other areas.
	What would the you of, let's say, 1980 think of the you, the current, present you now?
	If the you of 1980 was watching this show, what would that you think of this you?
	Well, The thing is, from the earliest age, I've rejected religion, what my father used to call bricks and mortar religion.
	And my father kind of was was kind of part of that in the sense that he was he fought in the Middle East and then went up through Through Italy and Naples in the Second World War.
	And he saw abject poverty in places like Naples while the plate was still going around from the church.
	And it all disgusted him.
	So I was brought up in a in a background where religion wasn't wasn't flavor of the month, I guess.
	When I look at it now, I think there is that within the religious books, there are there are symbolic truths that I think are valid as long as you don't take
	them more literally, which we're told to do, but you see the symbolism of them. But I've always rejected
	religion as an explanation for life.
	But I also rejected this world is all there is and life's a bitch and then you die.
	I didn't take that either.
	So I became a footballer and I got on with the football and then I went into journalism and eventually television and I was pursuing a career.
	But I'd always rejected both of them.
	But I just never gave myself time to to say, well, OK, I've rejected religion and I've rejected mainstream science in terms of its version of reality.
	So what the hell is an alternative?
	And what happened is in 1990, when my head blew off, which he won particularly, then that's what I went in
	pursuit of.
	So I would have been very interested hearing this, but obviously it would have been far out to me then.
	As a child did you learn, looking back on your childhood, is there anything that you experienced
	in your own childhood that you wouldn't want your own children to experience?
	And is there anything that was good about your childhood that you'd like your kids to experience?
	I don't think there's anything that I experience that I wouldn't want my kids to experience, really.
	Because I think one of the things that we do, and I don't think it's a good thing, is we protect our children from too much.
	What I mean by that is not keeping them safe, keeping them physically safe, but trying to protect them from every upset, every disappointment.
	I don't think it's a good thing.
	Because what you're doing is you're building character.
	And when you go out into the world and mom and dad's not there anymore to look after you, uh, 24 seven, if, if, if, if you've been mollycoddled too much and protected from challenge and upset too much, you're gonna have challenge and upset when you go out into the outer world.
	And if you, um, If you're not ready for it, you're not prepared for it, you know, you can go under with it.
	You don't have the tools to deal with it.
	So I think it's a balance between looking after your kids, but not protecting them from every last thing, because they have to get ready to live in a world where that's going to happen anyway, and they have to deal with it.
	Interestingly, during my childhood, I write about this in The Trap, actually, about some of my background and experiences, because they were part of what I became.
	And when I look back, I realize now why they happened, though you don't realize before.
	Like, when I was a small kid, we lived in In a council house in Leicester.
	In fact, my brother still lives there, actually.
	And I was a diffident kid.
	You might not think it now, but I was.
	I was a diffident kid.
	I was frightened of the world.
	And I had this idea that nothing ever happened, whatever happened to me, because, you know, who am I?
	I'm just a working class kid.
	And so when what that gave me is that When I meet people who think they're just little me and they have no power and what can they do?
	I completely understand where they're coming from because I was there once as a kid.
	And then I started becoming good at football.
	And that gave me the confidence, which eventually moved on to a greater sense of self and what have you.
	And a real, you know, I'm not going under under any circumstances attitude, which I have now.
	But there was one story when I was a kid, which I tell in the track, which was incredibly symbolic of what would happen.
	In 1991, when I faced all that mass ridicule.
	And what it was was I was this different kid.
	I was at primary school.
	No, infant school, not primary school, infant school.
	And they had a school play.
	And of course, Being me at that time, you know, I didn't have the star part or didn't even expect to have one and would have been mortified if I got it.
	So I played a tree.
	It was Sleeping Beauty.
	And I played a tree and there's about six of us.
	And the idea was that the teacher's pet, I'll never forget his name, Graham Glover.
	He might be watching.
	All right, Graham.
	Anyway, he was the prince, right, coming to make the greeting and the connection with the princess in the tower.
	And he walks on with a scythe, right?
	And he didn't have a scythe, he'd just pretend.
	And what he was doing was this, to cut the trees down to get to the princess.
	And what we were supposed to do was when he came over like that, we were supposed to fall on the floor.
	I had a pair of brown trousers on, I had a green top.
	the thing, it's bloody edge, you know. And I'm standing there and the others are standing there.
	But Graham Glover, and what we do in the school play, and the place is packed with parents and teachers and stuff.
	in the school hall and he turns up to free the princess but he never came near me.
	In fact he never came near most of us and he's doing this and I'm standing there and I'm thinking
	he ain't come near me I can't fall over that would be stupid but all the other trees just fell over
	there was no one near them.
	I mean, they were supposed to!
	So I stood there, the only tree standing, and the audience started to titter, and then it started to eventually belly laugh, right?
	So I'm standing there like this little boy, and I'm looking at it, thinking, He never came near me.
	Why are you laughing?
	You know?
	Yeah.
	And that was a symbolic moment for what was to come a lot of decades later.
	And I remember the next day I'm sitting in the class, you know, feeling even smaller than I did at the time after my experience.
	And the headmistress came in.
	She was called Miss Wilkinson.
	Miss Wilkinson, and you know, she was a miss and all.
	She had this tweed top on and this tweed skirt.
	I'll never forget.
	I can see her now.
	And she had shoulder pads before they were shoulder pads.
	They were her shoulders, actually.
	And she had this cropped hair coming under here and cropped across there.
	And she was big.
	Ooh, she was big.
	So she walks into the classroom.
	David!
	And I'm outside.
	And I'm this little kid, and she's over me like Cruella de Vil, you know.
	Miss Humphrey.
	And she was saying, you let the school down, you let me down, you let yourself down, and all this stuff.
	And I'm just looking up at her thinking, He never came near me!
	What was I supposed to do?
	And, you know, all these, all those decades later, something similar happened where I was being ridiculed by all and sundry.
	And I'm thinking, I'm just doing my best.
	What's the problem?
	This brings me to my question about, you know, you present as very sort of fearless, shall we say.
	Is there anything that scares you?
	The only concern I have is not seeing the world free of this nonsense by the time I go.
	Yeah.
	That's the only thing.
	The rest of it you can stick it because fear is something that you adhere to.
	It's not something that can impose upon you.
	You have to Allow it to impose itself upon you.
	It's the same with being outraged or, what do they call it?
	The term they use with the woke.
	Offended.
	Yeah, when they say, you know, I'm... Righteously indignant.
	Well, you know, you choose to be in that situation.
	You know, I've been ridiculed on a historic scale, but I'm not upset and outraged because these are things that you allow yourself to be.
	You know, when people say that they are outraged or whatever, I say, well, you've chosen to be.
	There's nothing I've done to make you outraged.
	You are chosen to be.
	Choose not to be.
	And when people blame others for their emotions, what they're doing is they're giving their power away.
	They're saying, I'm in this state because of you.
	No, you're in this state because you've allowed someone else to put you in this state by you manifesting that state.
	You don't have to.
	So I don't get hurt or upset by what people say about me.
	I'm not scared either.
	No, because I know that this is one of the great things about when you go through this awakening process.
	And it's not, you don't go through a process that awakes you, by the way.
	You go through an awakening process.
	It's an ongoing thing.
	Yeah.
	Not just awaken.
	Oh, I'm awake now.
	No, it's an ongoing thing.
	You, you, you more and more, um, awaken to a greater self.
	Um, you are, um, You are aware that you are consciousness, that you are not the body and the labels of the body and the labels of the human life, that they are experiences which you're briefly having in an experience called human.
	You are the consciousness having that experience and the consciousness having that experience is eternal and it's infinite and therefore what the hell is there to fear?
	So when you do totter off this mortal coil, as we all do, you believe that your consciousness will just merge again with the great oneness of life?
	Yeah, as long as you get out of this simulated Nonsense, which seeks to get you to identify yourself as a single human, as long as you can get out of that that matrix and it's multiple levels and out into infinity.
	Yeah, that's what you do.
	But, you know, you know, it's not that in my view anyway, that you just become part of a blob.
	You're still you can still self-identify as an individual expression of
	consciousness with certain experiences and what's made that consciousness what it is.
	You just know that you're part of the greater consciousness. So that, you know, the
	individual and the collective are actually just expressions of the same thing.
	But it's not that you lose your identity and just become a blob.
	I don't think that's the case.
	That must be the case for before you're born as well then, you're in this same state.
	Yeah, as long as you're not coming in on this bloody reincarnation cycle.
	I was just going to say, what if you're flung back in and you land in one of those brown record grooves?
	No, I suppose, or would you?
	Some people are aware of being here.
	Yeah, well, I'll be causing a bit of trouble if I am, but I remember in Only Fools and Horses when Rodney was having a bad time and was fed up and he said, You know, if there is such a thing as reincarnation, knowing my luck, I'll come back as myself.
	Yeah, yeah, that's a possibility.
	Maybe I'll come back as myself, I don't know.
	We did a very good job there, like completely avoiding all the boring ins and outs of the last three years.
	But just to sum up the last three years, I just want to ask you, in an optimistic way, what were the best bits of the last three years, in your view?
	Oh, seeing minds open.
	Oh, my God.
	I started out in 1990 and I couldn't fill a phone box with interest.
	And it was a struggle, again, right the way through the 90s and in past the millennium, because, you know, what's been happening Um is this agenda for humanity has been put into place under the radar mostly where you can't see it.
	Um and I said years ago, there'll come a time when it has to break the surface because you know, if you're going to transform human society and it's a massive transformation like nothing we've ever seen.
	Um I could comprehend before uh then there comes a point where society has to transform.
	But at that point, people are going to see it.
	And so when they played the COVID card and then they played the lockdown card and all that went with it around the world, that's the point where they broke the surface.
	That's when they entered the room.
	And by the way, they entered the room and they heard the door click behind them.
	They ain't going back now because we can now see it.
	All the way through this, it's been I mean, more and more people have been awakening and awakening to this through the last 30 years.
	But when lockdown came.
	And all that the fascistic restrictions came, that's when minds opened on a vast scale, an incredible scale, really, compared with what I'd experienced before.
	And, you know, when people are people who come into the alternative arena and are relatively new to this, I can understand why they say, why aren't more people waking up?
	We need more people to wake up.
	Well, yes, we do.
	But if they'd have been with me in 1990 and through the 90s and across the millennium and onward, They realize, actually, compared with then, the number of people seeing through the lies and seeing through the deceit, and even expanding into things they never thought they'd go into, is absolutely fantastic, and it's growing all the time.
	And I find it, you know, it's kind of indicative that, you know, The number of people who are having these jabs now and the boosters, it's going down and down and down.
	And the longer this has gone on, the more and more people have seen actually they've been shafted and they've been lied to on a scale of beggar's belief.
	And that opens your mind.
	And the process that then happens is you see something, some area that you've been massively lied to about, and then You go, well, what the hell else am I like to do?
	And the whole thing starts to expand into other areas and other things.
	So a lot of people, for instance, who've seen through the covid hoax and now questioning the climate change hoax in a way they weren't before.
	Yeah.
	Not all of them, but a lot of them are because they're starting to see how these things connect.
	So, yeah, that's the big thing for me.
	Yeah, so talking of ridiculous rules and restrictions, can you give us an update on the ridiculous ban from 26 countries?
	What's the latest on that?
	Yeah, well, the thing I would say about censorship is that secure people don't censor.
	Secure people are quite happy with the free flow of information and the free flow of debate and that allowing people to have access to all information so that they then can come to their own conclusions, whatever those conclusions are, on the basis of the information available instead of the authorities version of information only available to what censorship is all about.
	So the whole The thing about censorship is it's insecure people who are behind it.
	They're censoring people because they're terrified of the population hearing what they have to say.
	And so, um, when I started, uh, talking about COVID, I talked about the PCR tests, not testing for the virus, total scam and con.
	And I started talking about other elements of all this in the spring of 2020, I was off YouTube.
	I was, I was off Facebook and that all that they'll shut me down or try to.
	So you, you carry on, um, uh, Doing whatever you can to get the information out through other means.
	And then in about September, October, I was asked to speak at a peace rally in Amsterdam by a group of people.
	Actually, one of the prominent people was a Jewish guy, Mordecai, lovely guy.
	Yeah.
	And so All it was, was me going into Amsterdam, speaking for 20 minutes, half an hour and coming home.
	But I don't know why, but they didn't even want me to do that.
	The government, the Mark Rutter government, which is the World Economic Forum government.
	And so this furore started.
	Whereby I was called a Holocaust denier and an anti-Semite, the usual thing.
	That's why they're having to go at this guy, Bridget, this MP, saying, oh, he's an anti-Semite.
	No, he's not.
	And you know he's not.
	You're saying that you want to discredit him because he's saying the jab is dangerous and that's what you don't want people to hear.
	Anyway, so they always use that as an attempt to discredit.
	So what happens then?
	And this is this kind of whole sequence is very indicative of how the programming works and how people fall for it.
	So the virtue signalers among the woke mentality, the anti-fascist, fascists and the anti-haters, they then start kicking off because this racist anti-Semite is being allowed to come into Amsterdam, where I've spoken many times, by the way, with no problem.
	And then the government, of course, virtue-signaling politicians pick it up, and the Justice Minister, who's anything but.
	And she goes into Parliament and calls me a Jew-hater, and a spewer of hatred, worse to that effect.
	And the whole thing builds up.
	And suddenly, instead of just talking at a peace rally and coming home, There's now two anti-fascist demonstrations against me being organized for the square, and then Extinction Rebellion came in to organize a third because I was challenging their climate change narrative.
	And so what happens then, it's so ironic, is that this furore has been built up against me.
	And then the government say, well, because this furore has been built up against you and you could cause a discord basically in society if you come, you're not coming.
	So actually, they've created the problem and then they've used the problem to say, you're not coming.
	I'm just sitting on the Isle of Wight.
	Oh, this is going on.
	But it's kind of funny because Mordecai and some great lawyers, really decent people in the Netherlands, they then challenged the government.
	Decree, because what they did, I'm sitting in a hotel in Kent waiting to go through the channel tunnel to Amsterdam.
	But we got this email, this long email in there before in Australia from the immigration department of the Netherlands.
	It's in bloody Dutch, by the way.
	I had to get it translated, telling me that I wasn't coming and that I was not only banned for two years from the Netherlands, I was banned from the 26 countries of the Schengen country group that share a common border policy.
	And not only that, countries like the United States, Canada, et cetera, use the Schengen system information to decide whether people go into their country.
	So I'm basically banned from most of the bloody world, actually, at the moment.
	How long for?
	Two years.
	Yeah, but they'll think of something else then.
	And I'm one guy, you see.
	I'm supposed to be mad.
	I'm supposed to be putting out all this nonsense and it's all misinformation.
	What were you worried about?
	What were you bloody worried about?
	Why are you going to all this extent?
	Because to me, I thought I was crazy and to be dismissed.
	So anyway, we end up, and do you know they wouldn't even let me go into the Netherlands to appear at their own court case challenging their verdict.
	So I do it on Zoom.
	I saw it, you did a great speech.
	Yeah, and the judge I knew, and this is this is kind of real sinister part of it, is that all the checks and balances have gone, because you knew that this judge who was deciding if the government decision could be justified to ban me from 26 countries, you knew that he was going to support the government doesn't matter what was said in the court case doesn't matter.
	But we knew that I mean, we knew we're going to lose it.
	The point was to highlight the corruption.
	And And of course, he comes back later.
	And what was what was interesting and fascinating and so indicative.
	Is they built the fury up against me to justify the ban by saying I was a Holocaust denier and an anti-Semite.
	And when the government lawyer was in the case to justify the ban, that was not mentioned because they knew they couldn't stand it up.
	So what they went with was that I'm anti-government and therefore a threat to society.
	Now, as I said in my contribution, I'm anti-lies, basically.
	I'm pro-democracy and anti-destroying it.
	Anyway, a few days later, it came.
	Of course, the judge decided with the government.
	But it was interesting what his judgment said.
	It said that Because the government had shown that I was a conspiracy theorist, that I was a threat to society, and thus the ban was justified.
	Which means that they're equating.
	Of course they are.
	As conspiracy theorists, no matter what the evidence is you produce, with being a threat to society.
	And thus, if you're a conspiracy theorist, you can be banned because you're a threat to society.
	This is the connection they're making.
	Yeah, they brought the terrorist thing in as well.
	And I thought, well, you know, I'll leave the terrorism to government.
	They're much better at it.
	And then what happened, I'll tell you how ludicrous it all is, is that the immigration department were then challenged in another hearing to justify their actions.
	And what they're now doing, we're going to get the result before the end of the month, we know what it's going to be, is the Immigration Department is having a investigation to see if the Immigration Department was right about me, right?
	But this is the funny thing.
	I mean, it's Fred Karno.
	Yeah, he's investigating.
	So there's the lawyer and there's Mordecai and there's me.
	And we're sitting there on Zoom waiting for this immigration department person to appear.
	And they appear on a blank screen.
	And what?
	They're going to listen to the evidence, right?
	So the lawyer says, sorry, who are you?
	Why are you a blank screen?
	What's your name?
	Oh no, we can't give our name and I can't show my face because, you know, you never know what might happen.
	What?
	And this is a recording that wasn't even recorded.
	Yeah.
	So then another blank screen comes up and this is the translator.
	And they said, oh no, we can't see who she is either, except that her name was on the screen.
	So you're thinking, these are the people that banned me from 26 countries.
	Idiots!
	And then the translator, after about five minutes, said, oh, I don't think I can cope with this.
	I don't think I can do this.
	And she buggers off.
	The other blank screen goes off saying we'll be back shortly.
	We've got to find another translator.
	And we sat there, the three of us, just shaking our heads and saying that this is the Dutch government.
	And she was away for about an hour.
	When she came back, she couldn't find another translator.
	So we did it in English.
	I mean, and then they're going to come back with the result they've already decided, which is, yes, the immigration department has decided that the immigration department was right.
	And this is what you got.
	And, you know, I've been saying for years that this world is controlled by psychopaths and run by idiots.
	And that's exactly the combination that we're facing.
	And, you know, they can only do it, the psychopaths and the idiots.
	Because we acquiesce to their nonsense.
	If we didn't... We've come to my final question because we're actually at the end of the two hours, can you believe?
	And it's been really amazing and interesting.
	I was just going to ask you, you know, bearing all that in mind, what would your advice be to our audience and your general message to humanity at this point in time?
	We don't need a saviour.
	We need to realise where the power is.
	Eight billion people cannot be controlled and directed and imposed upon by a literal handful by comparison, unless the eight billion acquiesce with their own enslavement.
	They can't.
	It's impossible.
	Yeah.
	So it's OK saying it's them, it's them, it's them.
	And in terms of manipulation, yes, it is.
	But they can only succeed because of us, us, us.
	And so, you know, we have a point now As this moves on, and it's moving on all the time, where we have a choice.
	If we go on a just acquiescing and through unthinking and questioning, obedience or fear of not being obedient, or we see what's going on, but stand on the sidelines and do it anyway, then this dystopia will happen.
	It is happening.
	If we, in large enough numbers, say we're not cooperating, we're not doing it, then it can't happen.
	And it's getting past this fear of consequences.
	Where you think, well, this is the right thing to do.
	This is what I should do in these circumstances.
	But what are the consequences for me of doing it?
	That's what stops so many people making a stand on this.
	And it's not even about, it's not about fighting authority.
	It's about ceasing to cooperate with it.
	You know, all these parking fines by these parking companies that are just there to fleece the public for no reason other than fleecing the public.
	And they intimidate, try to intimidate you by saying, oh, you know, we'll do this, we'll do that if you don't do what we say and just pay up.
	Well, what if no one paid up?
	It'd be finished.
	What if only a fraction of people, large enough number, Said we're not paying.
	We're not doing it.
	What if people who pay the BBC licence fee said we're not paying it anymore?
	Lots of people are not, of course, now.
	They're struggling for money.
	But the answer is with us.
	It's whether we have the backbone and the determination to play it out, because What we perceive as consequences now for not cooperating is
	nothing compared with the consequences of going on cooperating because of where this is supposed to go.
	And, you know, for instance, during the.
	During the lockdown, I never locked down.
	I went out whenever I liked.
	I never social distanced.
	If people want to run away against me, well, that's their choice.
	But I'm not running away from them.
	I'm not frightened of them.
	I never wore a face nappy.
	I never did any of this stuff.
	I never, of course, never, never had the ludicrous jab.
	Imagine if vast numbers of people, a lot of people didn't of course, but vast numbers of people didn't do that, then those restrictions would have been over before they started.
	It would have been unenforceable.
	So the answer is with us.
	And while people wait around and say, well, I'll wait till someone else does it, And then someone else does it, then I'll do it.
	Well, it never gets started.
	Yeah.
	I think after the last experience, I think that if they tried it again in terms of Covid-like restrictions, I think they'd have a much bigger problem this time.
	Oh, absolutely.
	In England, with the scale of the marches through London that you experienced as well, That had a big part to play in the fact that the restrictions were rolled back far more and earlier than they ever wanted to.
	And it just shows you, I mean, a few cannot control the many unless the many cooperate.
	They come out in Parliament or Downing Street and this idiot Sunak got his orders from Klaus Schwab who comes and reads them.
	He says this is what's going to happen.
	Well, if enough of the population say we're not doing it, it can't happen.
	It can't.
	And this is what we need.
	It's not about fighting the government.
	It's ceasing to do what it says when what it says is designed to enslave us and enslave our kids.
	Yeah.
	So the key is non-acquiescence, do not comply, as it says on my bracelet.
	The power's always been with us and the fact that that's not being realised and not being acted upon is the reason why throughout known human history the few have always controlled the many.
	Why is that?
	How can that be?
	How can the few control the many?
	By the many's acquiescence to the few.
	It's got to stop.
	And if it stops now, this house of cards will come down because who's holding the house of cards together?
	We are.
	Yeah, that's brilliant.
	Thank you, David.
	On that note, it's been an honour to have such a long, in-depth chat with you.
	I've got about 500 more questions on my notepad here, which I'll have to ask you at another time.
	But it's been really, really amazing talking to you.
	So thank you very much for coming on.
	Thanks, Jackie.
	Always a pleasure, mate.
	Yeah, see you again soon.
	Thank you.
	Bye.
	Bye bye.
	The whole basis of the manipulation is to divide us and is to get us to judge each other, to hate each other, to envy each other, to compete with each other.
	It's to confuse people, especially the young, about their gender who weren't confused before.
	That's what it's about.
	A lot of people don't carry cash anymore, and they're not grabbing credit cards either.
	Instead, they're using their smartphones.
	A currency that wouldn't be cash, it would be merely electronic, for which there are fundamental implications for human freedom.
	The United States is preparing for a war against Russia through Ukraine, and what they plan is to try to take Crimea back.
	The idea for this third world war is to involve Russia and China against the West.
	Stage one you create a problem.
	China. Stage one, you create a problem. It could be a manufactured virus. You want a
	reaction and you want them to either say, do something, or you want them to accept what
	the authorities suggest must be done.
	So one of the agendas is to massively cull the population.

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