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Dec. 14, 2022 - David Icke
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David Icke Talks To Monica Perez's Deep Dive Podcast
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♪♪♪ He is a prolific author and the most enduring pioneer in the pursuit of the deepest truths about the nature of power on Earth and in the universe.
And we're going to try to get to the bottom of it all in one hour.
So strap on your tanks.
We're going deep with the dive master, the great David Icke.
Hello, David, and thank you so much for being here.
Thank you very much, Monica.
Much appreciated.
Well, I am.
So people listen to my show know I'm all about like the conspiracy at the top of the food chain on earth.
And I'm always trying to figure out like, is there any competition at the top?
Are Putin and Biden laughing behind the scenes?
Or is that a real thing?
And then they all seem to be going to the same point at the top, but I never really transcend that level of thinking.
So I got The Trap, your latest book, and it's really challenging how I even view those questions.
The subtitle is, What It Is, How It Works, and How We Escape Its Illusions.
And I'm wondering if you can just, in a nutshell, give my listeners just, what is The Trap?
Whoa, it's a long story.
I'll try to do my best.
Basically, I had this overwhelming feeling around the turn of the millennium that this is a simulation.
This is like a very advanced virtual reality that we are experiencing.
And it's a bit like going through your life with a headset on.
It's a field of information that we are decoding, just like a computer decodes Wi-Fi.
If you look at the Internet and you said to someone, what is the Internet?
They'd tell you it was graphics and words and pictures and moving pictures on the screen.
Well, yes it is, but only on the screen.
Everywhere else it's a Wi-Fi field, a radiation field of information, and electronic circuits, whatever.
And what the computer does is take that information in its radiation waveform field, And it decodes it into what we see on the screen, which is completely different to how it appears in the Wi-Fi field.
Other thing about the Wi-Fi field is we can't see it.
If you said to someone who knew nothing about computers and nothing about Wi-Fi, that in this room now was a field of information That you could tap into and decode onto the screen of the computer in exactly the same way, whether you are in Australia, South Africa, South America, North America, Europe, Asia, wherever.
And they knew nothing about computers, nothing about Wi-Fi.
They'd say, that is ridiculous.
That's not possible.
You're a conspiracy theorist.
You're delusional.
But as soon as you realize about computers and Wi-Fi, you say the same thing.
You know, there's a field of information in this room and you... and they go, oh yeah, Wi-Fi, you know all about that, yeah, yeah, yeah.
See, that's how I...
That's how I feel about interdimensional beings.
It's like, well, most of the world is, you know, there's billions of people are Christian.
They believe, you know, angels are interdimensional beings.
Why is it such a far-fetched concept to think that there's other... I can get into that.
The point is, though, the difference between that's crazy, that's ridiculous, and yeah, yeah, computers, Wi-Fi, yeah, is one thing.
One thing, knowledge.
That's all it is.
It's knowledge.
And if you can keep from the population, my God, we're seeing that with the hysterical censorship now.
If you can keep knowledge from the population, especially about the nature of the very reality that they're experiencing and the very I that they really are beyond what we call the human, then you will get vast numbers of people to wave away as ridiculous and impossible and fantasy what is actually happening and what reality actually is.
And if you take the way, and this is mainstream science, it's not even, you know, where I'm coming from alone, how we Decode reality, because that's what we're doing, we're decoding it.
And it's exactly the same as the computer.
I call this, I've been calling this since the 1990s, a biological computer.
And that's why they're messing with it now, with these fake synthetic genetic vaccines.
So, how does it happen?
So, what do the five senses do?
The five senses is that level that interacts and connects us to the simulation, to the
matrix. It's like the headset, similar concept. Well, the five senses work like this. They take
waveform information, think Wi-Fi, and they decode it into electrical information. They
communicate it to the brain, and there's different parts of the brain that are specializing in decoding
the five senses, each of the five senses. What the brain then does is put that information
together.
you The brain is far more amazing than even we begin to believe or understand.
And it puts together that information into a sense of reality, just as the computer takes the information from Wi-Fi and turns it into what you see on the screen.
And so, take the hearing senses, that's a classic.
The hearing senses take waveform information, sound waves, They turn it into electrical information and they communicate it to the brain.
I'm talking now, but words are not passing between us.
What's passing between us is a vibrational waveform field generated by my vocal cords.
And the ears pick up that wave field.
And they communicate it to the brain in electrical form, and the brain decodes it into words.
You only hear words when the brain's decoding them.
In fact, you know, there are pain relief methods now, I've come across them directly when they've been used on people that I know, whereby the idea is that you break the communication between the point of pain and the brain.
You get a bang on the shin, you don't say ouch, until the brain has decoded the electrical signal from the point of impact to the brain.
Then you say ouch.
And the idea of this pain relief technique is you stop that electrical communication, and therefore the brain will not decode it, therefore you don't feel pain.
And everything in our reality is information coming in waveform,
turned into electrical information by the five senses, communicated to the brain that forms it into what is
actually a digital reality, a digital holographic reality.
And that's one reason why you talk to physicists.
There's one called Max Tegmark, and certainly was at MIT, might still be, who wrote a book about our mathematical universe.
in which he pointed out that you can break down everything into mathematics.
What you can break it down to is into the digital level that I'm talking about.
And the physics of a, he points this out, Max Tegmark, the physics of a virtual reality game are exactly, pretty much exactly, the physics of our reality.
Why?
Because this is a phenomenally advanced virtual reality game.
Well, virtual reality, reality.
And so, the idea is that we decode this field of information, which is what it is, the simulation, the matrix, And we experience a reality we think is, like everything, all there is to see, when all we're doing is operating and decoding and perceiving a tiny, tiny, ridiculous, laughable band of frequency.
According to mainstream science, the electromagnetic spectrum, which is pretty much this reality, is 0.005% of what exists in what they call the universe.
And visible light, which is the only frequency band that we can see, everything that we see
is within visible light, that is a fraction of the 0.005%.
So humans are basically blind.
So suddenly you start to see a lot of mysteries disappearing
because, well, why can't we see this non-human force Well, you can't see it, because you know what?
Humans can see basically damn all because of this narrow band of frequency that we're operating on.
And then people say, I saw this UFO just appear out of nowhere and then it disappeared into nowhere.
Or this entity appeared at the bottom of the bed and then just disappeared into nowhere.
And from the five sense version of reality, you'd say, that's ridiculous, you're
mad what you've been drinking. But actually, it's very simple.
When something enters visible light, this narrow band of
frequency, we see it. When it leaves visible light, it disappears to
our sight. And so to the observer, it's appeared from nowhere, and it's disappeared into nowhere, but it's done
It's just left the frequency band that we can see.
So, you know, I've said, if you go into the conspiratorial side of it, which I want to do, and tend to do, I've said many times that we live in a world that actually has two worlds.
There's the world of the population, and there's the world of what I call the global cult.
And what is the global cult?
It's a network, a global network, of secret societies, semi-secret groups, and ultimately, in the realm of the seen, it's governments, government agencies, banking systems, World Health Organization, Silicon Valley, and all that stuff.
But the point is that this cult. If you go into the deeper levels of the secret
societies, which of course, as we know, are very compartmentalized into what they call degrees,
degrees of knowledge, you go into the inner core. Well, what they're doing is
passing through the generations, not just the knowledge of the agenda for humanity, which is
the total, centralized, global control of every man, woman and child on the planet. That's
the goal.
And we can see it unfolding very clearly now.
The other thing that they pass on only to the inner core of the initiates, which often operate in families, is the nature of reality itself.
Because if you know the nature of reality, and you keep it from the population, then you are in a fantastic point of power and dominance, because you're manipulating the population in ways they don't even believe is possible.
And so when people like me come along and say, actually, they're doing this, this is how they're manipulating, that people go, oh, don't be so mad, that's crazy, when actually it is actually happening.
So if you look at the difference between the cold and the population, it's knowledge, again, knowledge.
So what they've done, and in America of course it was the Rockefeller family and J.D.
Rockefeller etc., they've set up what they laughingly, bravely, hilariously call an education system which is designed to keep what they know from them.
They've also created and own in a very few corporations now the global media, which keeps from the population what they know.
And the one major way that it does that with the media is that while there is an inner core of the media that knows and is well aware of this and supports it, the vast majority of what are bravely again called journalists are completely bloody ignorant of what's happening in the world, who's controlling the world and what the nature of reality is.
What you also do, not least through funding, is you have academia And science, apart from the cutting edge of science, which goes into the quantum level, the quantum physics level of beyond the physical realm as we perceive it, academia and science is overwhelmingly dominated
By people who are also as ignorant as the journalists.
And therefore, all they learn through their education system and through their training and specialization, is that this world is all there is, and everything is down to genetics and chemicals and all that stuff.
When actually that's just a tiny, tiny smear of reality in general, and indeed the reality that we're experiencing.
So they've stitched up the institutions from which the population get their information.
As we saw during the COVID era, they've completely stitched up the medical system.
And therefore, what they're all doing, and again, just like the journalists, most of them have not a clue what they're doing.
They don't even know there's a cult, never mind they're doing its bidding.
But what they're doing collectively is keeping the population in ignorance of what this cult knows.
And so the reason we're having all this censorship now is because more and more people have realized that they're being lied to.
And of course the level of awareness of the lies is multi-level.
It depends how deep you want to go in the rabbit hole.
But what more and more people have realized is what we've been told all our lives is absolutely not true.
And the more people realize that, the more people want to communicate that, the more people in the population start to also see actually what's going on here.
There's another story we've not been told.
So the only way you're going to defend the cult, the authority narrative, which is laughable and a child's play to dismantle, is to stop the population getting access to that information, to the point where eventually, this is where I want to go, where the people only see and hear what authorities sanction, they can see and hear.
But this whole area, which so much of the Alternative media, much as I laud what it does, has ignored this deep, deep level of the rabbit hole, is actually this nature of reality.
The understanding of what this reality is, is fundamental to dismantling this control system.
And I said just after the turn of the millennium that this was a simulation, and that the limit of it At this level of it anyway, was the speed of light.
And 20 years later or so, there was an article in April 2021 in Scientific American by an academic who said that he'd concluded that we live in a simulation, think Matrix movies, and that the limit of the simulation is the speed of light.
I nearly fell off my chair.
What I've been saying over the years is what we call the laws of physics are actually the rules written and encoded into the simulation.
And that's why, you know, you get these near-death experiences, and God, there's unbelievable numbers of them now, who, when they've left the body, when the body has briefly died, and then they've come back, they tell a very compelling story, but common themes to it.
But one of the things that they say is that, basically, what I would say, the laws of physics are completely different.
Outside the body, the laws of physics are completely different, a completely different sense of reality, completely different possibilities that are not possible here, are possible there.
Why?
You've left this level of the simulation in which those rules are encoded into the matrix.
And so, if you look at the Matrix movies, You've got your Morpheus characters and your Neos and your Trinities, and they operate outside the Matrix in the movie story.
But how do they get into the Matrix?
How do they enter the Matrix?
Well, they don't go into it with their body.
They go into it with their mind.
What happens is that probe at the back of the neck connects them to the information source of the matrix.
And their brain starts to decode that information source and they experience the matrix through their brain mind.
Now, imagine this.
You're in the womb and you've got a virtual reality head cell.
You come out of the womb and you have your parents, they've got a headset on.
Siblings you may have got headsets on.
You go to school, the teacher's got a headset on.
All your mates in the class have got a headset on.
You go to university, the professor guy's got a headset on.
And then you go out into the world of work, and everywhere you go, people have got headsets on.
You turn on the news, and there's a bloke with a headset on, or a woman with a headset on, going, hello, good evening, and welcome, this is the news.
You go to the doctor, the doctor's got a headset on.
You talk to a scientist, scientist's got a headset on.
And so on and so forth.
Imagine you don't take that headset off, in your entire human experience, right to the grave.
Well, what are you going to do?
You're going to believe that the information the headset is being delivered to you is reality.
And, you know, you've only got to see these pictures, you can see loads of them on the internet, of people in a second, in like an empty room like this, And they put the headset on in a virtual reality game, and they're thrashing around, terrified sometimes at what's being fed to them.
And what is the headset doing?
It's hacking in to the five sense decoding system.
Through the headset goggles, through the audio, and with the more sophisticated ones, through the touch senses and the gloves.
And so, that's what we're experiencing.
Now, in terms of the track, when I was writing this and researching this, I thought, well, okay, let's look at this thing of reincarnation.
Because, of course, the Eastern religions talk about reincarnation and so on.
And I've seen enough evidence in many and various forms over the last 33 years, nearly, that has convinced me that reincarnation is real.
That consciousness, what people call soul, consciousness comes into the body, has an experience, and then leaves the body.
And then I started asking some questions, like, okay, you know, I'm convinced that reincarnation is real, but what the hell is it?
And then I look at the world and I think, well, you may have, increasingly less as we move along, but you may have quite a number of people in the Western kind of world that will have a life that they love and like and enjoy, and what have you.
Okay.
But you play humanity out across the world, across Africa, South America, Asia, and so on.
And it ain't a bunch of laughs, really, life.
It's a constant battle to survive.
And to help your children and your family to survive, financially and literally.
So my thought was, if reincarnation is happening, all right, someone might come in here and get caught and then think, oh God, I don't want to be here again.
But why the hell would they keep coming back?
Why would they?
Ridiculous.
And then I thought, I looked at the Eastern religions and I saw that they were saying that Reincarnation is the reincarnation of the soul into this reality.
To learn lessons, to reach a state of enlightenment where you don't have to keep reincarnating.
All right.
Well, hold on a minute.
According to mainstream science, compared with the projected size of the universe, planet Earth is the equivalent of a billionth of a pinhead.
So I can't get my head around the fact that people have to keep, or souls have to keep reincarnating onto a billionth of a pinhead to keep learning lessons until they reach a state of enlightenment where they don't have to do it anymore.
That makes no sense to me.
But again, the foundation of it was I'm convinced reincarnation is a reality.
So what's going on?
And what I do in The Trap is I explore this scenario in some detail.
But actually, this simulation is multi-leveled.
It doesn't just have this level that we call the human world.
There are other levels of it that we call the spirit world.
And people who believe in that call the spirit world.
So what you've got is an infinite reality Which is what we are.
We're an expression of that infinite reality consciousness.
But this is a, think of it as a bubble.
This is an isolated frequency field bubble that operates its own system within this infinity reality.
And that system is seeking because of what's behind it.
I go into to entrap what people call soul within the system.
So when you leave what we call death, you leave the body, you don't die, the body dies, you, the vehicle dies.
And if you're not in a frequency state, a high enough frequency state, To get through the bubble, because if you're in a high frequency state, this bubble is basically a low frequency state because of the stuff that goes on here and the force that's behind it, which is in a very low frequency state, hence the world.
But if you're not in a frequency state that high enough to get through it, which you can, It's like two radio stations, they're just on different wavelengths, they're just, never the twain shall meet.
But if you're not, then you can't leave the bubble.
And so, you go on this cycle, which people call reincarnation.
Now, suddenly reincarnation starts to make sense, because you're not actually reincarnating onto an equivalent of a billionth of a pinhead.
What you're doing is reincarnating from non-physical levels, you might say, of the simulation into the physical level of the simulation, and it just goes on and on and on.
And of course, they talk about you learn lessons to reach a point of enlightenment, but you come into this world And you can have more and more and more very challenging, low vibrational experiences, which don't take you to a state of enlightenment often, it takes you deeper and deeper into the illusion.
And one of the things that's happening now, this is one of the reasons for the great technological explosion that's going on, is they want to connect the human brain to artificial intelligence.
People like Ray Kurzweil and Google are very open about it.
Elon Musk!
Yeah, or they're all open about it.
Exactly.
Because they don't want us to know the real reason for it.
Which is, as Kurzweil has actually articulated this, but he's done it in a way that suggests, oh, this is a really good thing.
Because we've passed the point of them hiding it, Because there comes a point, as I said a long, long time ago, there will come a point where if you're going to transform society, it has to be transformed.
And at that point, you're not under the radar anymore.
You've got to actually be in people's faces.
That's where we are now.
So instead of hiding it, they're now selling it.
And what Kurzweil has said is that by around 2030, of course, a year that keeps coming up in so many guises, That humans will start to be connected to artificial intelligence and the brain to artificial intelligence.
And in his words, artificial intelligence, once that connection is made, will do more and more of human thinking until human thinking is basically negligible.
So, up to this point, they've had to manipulate our access to information in the way that I described with the education system, media, etc.
to manipulate our sense of perception.
That's our behavior.
Our behavior comes from perception.
But this whole AI thing is about our perceptions coming direct.
And the idea is that they will be perceptions of reality that hold us in a low-frequency state so we never leave the bloody bubble.
Which we of course can, if we suss what's going on, and crucially, we realize what the true I is, which is not the labels of a human life, a very brief human life.
I mean, I'm 70 now, I'll tell you how brief it is.
It's amazing how brief it is when you get to that age, you look at what you've experienced.
Not even that.
But people self-identify with that human and its labels, when that's not who they are.
That's what their consciousness, the true I, is experiencing.
And once you go into those levels of self-identity, then that expansion of self-identity creates an expansion of frequency.
Which allows you to go through the bubble frequency barrier, if you like, of the simulation, and what this is all about in the end.
is seeking to keep us in a vibrational state through our perceptual state.
That means that we never do that.
And so it's much deeper than just Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum.
Those levels we absolutely need to know about.
But it's much deeper than that.
And if we fight the enemy, if you like, without realizing what the game really is, we can fall into low vibrational states in fighting the enemy.
that actually continue to entrap us.
We need to get streetwise to what the game is, and then we can do something to bring an end to the game.
Do they know what the game is?
Does the globalist, the cult, know?
Does Klaus Schwab know?
Or is he just an automaton?
Like Putin.
How do these people fit in?
Because they seem so powerful, yet they're so obvious.
Yeah, but it depends how deep they are in the hierarchy.
The inner core absolutely knows.
Lots of people coming out of the inner core will know.
I suspect that someone like Klaus Schwab will know, Bill Gates will know, the Rockefellers will know, the Rothschilds will know.
They're operating in this knowledge.
But lots of people like government gophers and media gophers, Silicon Valley gophers, won't have a clue about any of this.
But, you know, when Elon Musk says he thinks we live in a simulation, well, he bloody well knows we do.
And when you look at Elon Musk, and I would caution people to just wait to see how this goes with Twitter before dubbing him a hero, because this guy through SpaceX and Tesla and Neuralink connected the human brain to computers, etc.
He's ticking every box of this cult agenda, so I'd be very, very wary.
And I would say to people this, what does this cult want to do?
Whether you think it's a cult, or whether you think it's just authority, what does it want to do, very clearly?
It wants to censor information, because that way, perception is formed on the basis of the official narrative Well, challenges to the narrative are silence.
That's exactly what's going on.
So you had a situation where Google, not just controlled by this cult, but owned by it.
Look at the history of Google, where it came from.
Facebook, look at the history of Facebook, where it came from.
And of course, YouTube is owned by Google.
And then you had Twitter.
And all these major social media platforms were completely stitched up in terms of censorship.
We're seeing stuff coming out now about Twitter.
So the cult owned these organizations, owns these organizations.
And they were censoring on its behalf.
So question the situation with Musk.
First of all, he ticks all the boxes in what he does of the cult agenda.
Not least through SpaceX putting low-orbit satellites up to power 5G, 6G, 7G at every inch of the planet.
Tens of thousands of low-orbit satellites has already been commissioned for.
Fundamental to the whole game that's going on.
But Twitter was owned by the cult And which owns all these massive investment companies like BlackRock with its 10 trillion dollars of investment and Fidelity Investments and State Street and all these people.
So it owns Twitter and it was censoring on behalf of the Coal.
So why would they sell Twitter to Elon Musk, claiming wrongly, clearly, to be a free-speech absolutist.
And not only that, when he apparently pushed back on it, because he said, well, there are too many bots or something, they take him to court to force him to buy it!
And it was just as that court case was about to happen, if you remember, that he said, okay, I'll buy it.
So why would they do that?
It makes no sense.
And then he says that he's going to take the bots out with, you know, verification in there.
So he's about to implement something they probably couldn't do without giving us a hero, which I think about him and like Trump.
And it's in your book about they give you these heroes and they they just march you off a cliff spectacularly.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And, you know, I would say to people.
That if you've researched something, And then something happens and from your research, you know what that is, the reason for it, then say it.
But if something's in a state of flux, like Twitter at the moment with Musk, don't jump.
Don't jump and don't take on that this is what's going on.
Let it play out because, you know, the point is that the The real point of understanding comes not from the words, they're easy, it comes from the outcome.
Watch the outcome, not the words.
And one possible scenario, moniker of this, is that By apparently giving free speech to some, they've already said, Twitter have already said they won't put me back.
Oh my gosh!
He said on Twitter he won't put Alex Jones back.
That along come the government regulators, the EU's already talking about it, that say, and they're talking about it in this country, the government.
That, oh, this free speech is going too far, it's allowing hate speech.
We've got to have more regulation to stop Twitter doing this.
So there's many possible scenarios, but obviously, from what I've explained here and talked about here, it makes no sense that an already cult-owned Twitter would sell to a free speech absolutist illusory, Elon Musk. It makes no sense whatsoever. So there's
another story to be told here. Because if it doesn't make sense, well, it usually turns out that
actually it doesn't make sense because there's another reason for it. He's not helping you escape
the trap. But you have been a victim of censorship across the board. And I was shocked to find
that you're literally not allowed to enter the Netherlands and other EU countries based on something
you didn't even do.
I think I saw it.
I feel like you were set up by the Dutch parliament, like the guy was going off and other people walked out.
And I remember seeing that video thinking, this is really bizarre.
And what's the outcome?
Like you say, what's the outcome?
And the outcome was you get banned from the Netherlands.
Yeah, well, it's an extraordinary story, but it's very, very instructive in so many ways and on so many levels.
What happened is that I was invited to speak at a peace rally in Dam Square in Amsterdam on November the 6th, I think it was.
And I agreed, of course I agreed, to go and speak for 20 minutes, half an hour.
And that seemed okay.
And then suddenly it all kicked off.
And funnily enough, It kicked off in exactly the same way that it did in Australia in 2019, when I was banned from Australia, as I still am.
So, in Australia, I was given a visa to go on a six-city speaking tour in February of 2019.
In the September of 2018, I was given the visa.
And they couldn't really not give me one because there's no reason to.
I've spoken on speaking tours in Australia ten times and there's never been a trouble.
There's no reason.
But what happened then is an ultra-Zionist organization called the Anti-Defamation Commission.
Man and a dog operation.
started kicking off that I was this, that and the other and I
was going to do this and do that and say this and say the other
none of which I was going to say because don't believe it.
And then the media picked it up and they start kicking off and
then they put pressure on the government. And I'm sitting in
Los Angeles with my son Jamie, and we're about to get a flight
to Melbourne to start the tour.
It's four hours only before the flight there.
And we're sitting in a hotel bar waiting for the airport bus.
And he gets a long email from the immigration minister of Australia called David Coleman.
And it went on forever.
And he said, you're not coming.
And he actually says in this, in this email, okay, I accept that you've been here 10 times before and there's never been trouble, but you're not coming this time because you could attract opposition and you might cause disruption in Australian society.
Free speech not mentioned.
So what happened in the Netherlands?
Um, was this ultra Zionist organization called SIDI, man and a dog, starts kicking off that I'm going to have to talk at a speech, a peace rally in Dam Square.
And, um, and, and I'm going to say this, and I'm going to say this, and I believe in this, and I believe that, none of which is true.
And it's all a bloody nonsense, but it doesn't matter what is true.
It matters what you can get people to believe.
What happened then, just like Australia, is the Dutch media picked it up.
My God did they pick it up.
I was everywhere on TV, radio, newspapers, national newspapers.
And not once in that period of complete demonization over a period of about two to three weeks was I invited even once My comment on what was being claimed about me, not once.
Then what happens is the government pick it up because it wants the virtue signal.
It also doesn't want me to talk about what's going on in the Netherlands and how the Prime Minister, Rutte, is a pawn of the World Economic Forum and which is why he's trying to destroy the livelihoods of 3,000 Dutch farmers currently.
Because that's the World Economic Forum agenda.
And they start virtue of segal and kicking.
And what happens then is, and this is a very important point.
This is why we're in the situation we're in.
People believe what they're told without question, without asking for evidence.
They just believe it.
Not everybody, fewer than ever before now, but still a vast number.
But you didn't cause any violence, right?
You went to the rally?
Oh, I didn't go to the rally, no.
Oh, you didn't even get to the rally?
I didn't get there, no.
So what happened then is that anti-fascists groups started to say, we're going to have a counter-protest against it.
They're going to bring the violence.
It's what I call the anti-fascist fascists, the anti-hate haters.
They're hilarious because they don't realize, or the inner core will, but most of the rank and file won't realize they are everything they're railing against.
Right.
So they were going to do a counter rally.
And then, of course, because I'm challenging the whole nonsensical scientific baloney of human-caused climate change, The Extinction Rebellion.
We're going to have a counter-protest as well.
You know, I was waiting for the transgender people to have a counter-protest.
I was quite disappointed.
But anyway, what happened is they started kicking off and said they were going to do this and we're going to do that.
And so what the government did is they said we talked to the police And because of the reaction against you in the Netherlands by these counter protests, there could be violence and so we're stopping you.
Now, yeah, you know, the furore, yeah?
You created it!
Not me!
I'm sitting on the Isle of Wight off the south coast of England, minding my own business.
I've done any of that.
The government did it, the media did it, and the city organization did it.
And the anti-fascist fascists, the anti-haters and Extinction Rebellion, they caused it.
And so they said, we're stopping you coming.
But this is the punchline when, again, it was like, It was like LA Airport Hotel Revisited.
We're sitting in a hotel on the Kent coast, on the east coast of England, because the next day I'm going through the Channel Tunnel to the Netherlands.
And along comes a long email, a long email again, from the Immigration Department of the Netherlands.
Unsigned.
I mean, your first feeling is, this has got to be a hoax.
But it turns out, one, it was true.
The basics of rights in a free society is to be able to face your accuser.
Yeah, and what they said was, not only are you banned from the Netherlands, but because the Netherlands is in something called the Schengen Information Group, which is basically a border agreement, if one Schengen country, and there's like 26 of them, bans someone, then all the others ban you.
It should be the opposite.
It should be anyone has the right to veto that.
Yeah, so I'm banned from 26 European countries.
That's insane!
For nothing!
Your right to work and travel has been suspended for nothing you did or even said.
No.
And, you know, there's people that have been guilty of violence and what have you, and And have been convicted of violence, could have been allowed into the Netherlands, but not me.
I think if I'd have gone on a rubber dinghy, I'd probably be a greater chance of getting in.
And I get a nice hotel, probably.
But the point is that this Schengen information system, border control, is recognized by countries like the United States and
Canada and so on and so forth, and other European countries that are outside the Schengen
Group, and Scandinavian countries, not even in the EU, as a criteria for whether they let
someone in or not.
So I'm basically banned from a vast number of countries.
And all I did was accept an invitation to speak at a peace rally in Amsterdam.
So on Friday, we're going to challenge the government in a Dutch court.
And the Dutch government are so terrified of me, for some reason, that they won't even let me in the country to appear in court to challenge the government and defend myself against them.
And so the lawyers representing me in the Netherlands asked the judge directly that I should be allowed in to appear personally, and he turned it down as well.
And this is the thing, you see, It's a sign of the times, very much a sign of the times, that the judge doing that was not in any way, shape or form a surprise, that the judge in a court case representing the legal system, if not the lawful system, the legal system, would support a decision made by a government.
That's how it works.
The judiciary is stitched up just like that.
And so I'm going to have to represent myself with my lawyers on Friday.
Remotely?
By Skype from here.
That's crazy.
Well, I feel like the Trump, I was surprised to see you put Trump in that category, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, but in the book that for me, January 6th was, it's being used to connect Trump and his words with an insurrection, which I don't even think happened at all, like zero.
I think it was completely made up, but he, You know, that what they're doing to you there, they're using this incident to bring that to us where words equals violence.
But free speech by its nature needs to be protected because it is disruptive.
It is a threat to authority.
It wouldn't need protection if it weren't a threat.
So, you know, only speech that is that supports the status quo or the cult is permitted now.
And we accept that.
And I wonder, like, why do you think people accept this in such great numbers?
I know a lot of people are waking up, but a lot of people aren't.
Well, you know, there's a hell of a lot of programming going on.
Perceptual programming.
I mean, if you look at, I mean, I was born in 1952.
And when I went through the education system, of course, they were trying to steer you in certain directions.
But the programming was a fraction of what you see now.
From Cradle to Grave, the programming, the perceptual programming is intense and merciless.
And I saw an interview the other day on The Carlson Show, and it was about a girl, a daughter, who was got on very well with her parents and was a very open-minded kind of individual.
And her parents got her a lot of money to a college, a university in Massachusetts, I think it was.
And when she started coming home, she was a completely different girl.
And she fell out with her parents and she had the whole woke mentality.
Everyone was the bloody enemy if you didn't believe in it, the same as she did.
And so what her mother did was spend a lot of money, I think it was about $300 a day, to get a deprogrammer to deprogram her from what had been programmed into her in this university.
And by this time, you know, I mean, when she came back, there were great riffs with the parents.
It was all an absolute mess.
Who is this girl coming back?
It's not the one left.
And Carlson talked to the girl, the woman now, who was saying, yeah, I went to this university and it was incessant perceptual programming.
So you look at the climate change activists and the transgender activists and the activist activists.
The Vax activists.
Yeah, Vax activists.
They have no comprehension in terms of evidence, knowledge of what they're talking about.
They're just repeating the party line, the official narrative.
But they can't defend the official narrative in a debate.
And this is another reason, Monica, why we've got all this censorship, is that the official cult, in the end, narratives, are so unsupportable by the evidence and reality That the only way you're going to defend them is to stop them being exposed, stop them being debated and stop alternative information circulating.
That's why it's being done.
And that's another point I would say that connects that to the Dutch government.
And that is, where does the power really lie?
One of the great programmed myths is that authority has power.
It doesn't.
Authority's power comes from the power handed over to authority by the acquiescence of the population.
So you've got the Dutch government that controls what goes on with the Dutch royal family.
Don't start me.
The Netherlands.
You've got the media pushing exactly the same narrative.
You've got the schools and education system pushing the same narrative.
The corporations pushing the same narrative.
And yet, despite all that, they've got to go to these insane kindergarten levels of extreme In terms of me, who just wanted to come and speak for 20 minutes, half an hour at a peace rally.
So, if they were all powerful, They wouldn't have a problem with me.
Let's speak.
We are all powerful.
But they know they're not because their power comes from the acquiescence of the people.
And to get the continued acquiescence, they have to have continued perceptual control of the population.
If you take the COVID situation, You only get millions, billions of people to go under house arrest, lockdown, and to shut their businesses and everything.
If you can control the perception of the population to the point of two things.
One, you get one massive group to believe what you're telling them, that there's a deadly virus and the only way to protect you and your family from it is to do what they tell you.
And there's the other group that doesn't want to do it, but is too frightened of doing it.
So you've got to convince one group, because they're just unquestioning, nodding dogs,
and you've got to control the other group to do what you want by convincing them that there
are consequences for them if they don't do what they're told.
So you take those two groups, and that's the reason all through human history the few have controlled the many.
They're the two groups that have done it, always.
And the group that has ended every tyranny in history, and it will have to end this one because there's no one else, Are the renegade minds, the truly renegade minds, who see what's going on and won't cooperate with it.
And that's always been the case and it will always be the case.
And what we've got to do is to get more people, there are more and more people anyway, but more people out of this second group.
I don't want to do it but I'm terrified of the consequences of not doing it.
into the renegade group.
We've reached critical mass.
Yeah exactly.
Which doesn't have to be a majority like in history that that group that can overturn that controlling cabal is not it's what do they call it an irate minority but speaking of history I was hoping before we wrap because that that is that that's what I think is the punchline it's that people have to get out of that mindset have some courage and I don't know if before I But do you think that people just need courage to get out of that mindset?
Do people need to just not fear death?
What would be one thing that we could do to kind of get people we know who are in that second group to cross over?
Well, there's a number of things.
I mean, once you start once you start to re-evaluate the true nature of the I, and you stop self-identifying with the labels of a human life, because that's, they're just race and religion and income bracket, sexuality, etc.
These are not who you are.
These are what you're experiencing.
And If you can re-evaluate the I that you are eternal consciousness on an infinite journey of experiencing and exploring forever, forever and all the...
infinite realities, possibilities, etc.
Then what happens to you in one single human life, which is not that much, as I say, takes on a completely different perspective.
You know, it's very difficult to frighten someone into compliance, when they know that this is just a brief experience in their forever exploration of forever.
Very difficult.
If you can get people to identify the eye with three score years and ten, in biblical terms, and the labels of a human life, and you can pull them into the realm only of the five senses, then you see authority and consequences in a very different way.
And so, when you kind of start to re-evaluate your self-identity and expand your self-identity, many, many things change, and all of them are positive.
First of all, as you expand your consciousness, you're going deeper and deeper and deeper into the field of consciousness, and you are able to glean, tap into insight, knowledge, intuitive knowing.
that's not available to the five senses, which is only saying, can I see it, touch it, taste it, hear it?
Well, it exists then.
But there's another point in terms of moving this group to this group, and we're entering it now.
And that is, when you think you have something to lose, you will Overwhelmingly, you will acquiesce and obey in the hope that you can protect what you don't want to lose.
Once you move into a situation where you have nothing left to lose, then people's responses dramatically change.
If you look into China now, the population of China has nothing left to lose.
I mean, something like 400 million under house arrest locked into their homes.
What is there to lose in standing up to this and refusing to cooperate anymore?
Right, you're already in prison.
Yeah, I mean, okay, they'll put me in jail.
You're already in jail, absolutely right.
And so in the West and the Chinese system, as I've said many times, is, has been incubated and developed by this cult.
I mean, Mao was a cult revolution.
So that it could, once it was incubated and perfected, not least through the use of technology and AI, could be played out across the world, which is exactly what, of course, has happened since the COVID card was played out of China.
And when you look at what's happening in the West now, with the The dismantling of the Western economy and the dismantling of Western society, which is why what's happening is happening, is why the southern border of the United States is wide open.
It's why they're using human-caused climate change nonsense to justify the deletion of fossil fuels, thus not only raising prices massively, but also trying to kid us that wind power and solar power can replace fossil fuels.
It's insanity!
And they know it's insanity, by the way.
It's just a game to dismantle the economy.
And then you've got the Ukraine-manipulated conflict, which is also pushing energy prices up.
You push energy prices up, you push the price of everything up.
And interfering with food.
Yeah, well, I was just going to say that.
They're targeting food now.
You've got Bill Gates, the biggest owner of farmland in America.
You've got Rutter, the WEF clone in the Netherlands, targeting 3,000 Dutch farmers.
And the Netherlands, in terms of value, is the second biggest exporter of food in the world.
That's why they hate you there.
Yeah.
And now you've got Germany, just announced this week, are going down the same road.
You're targeting the food supply chain.
And of course, what has happened?
Because China is the blueprint for the world.
It is.
I've been saying for decades, if you want to see what's planned for the West tomorrow, you look at China today.
And it's fascist!
Exactly what's happening.
And of course, if you look at the sequence, Western corporations, not least American corporations, not least Silicon Valley, have been outsourcing production of basic materials, basic things, to China for a long time now.
And what they've actually given is control to China of so much of the The global supply chain, not only that the
The use of human-caused global warming and that nonsense has justified in their policies the movement from fossil fuels to solar power and wind power.
And where does the vast majority of solar panels come from?
Where do the vast majority of wind turbines come from?
China!
So you're giving control to China of energy supply.
Now all this is coming together, the food prices, the energy prices, therefore the price of everything, to the point where more and more people are in a situation where they've got nothing left to lose.
And that's a very dangerous time for this cult because, and it will know that, because of the mind change that happens when you think, well, if I go for it, And challenge this, etc.
What's the worst that can happen compared with where I am anyway?
And so we're entering that period now it's going to be very interesting to see how it will impact on large numbers of people in terms of their mentality and what they will do.
But we'll see if it impacts on sufficient numbers, but we are entering a period now where people are in a position of nothing left to lose, and that's a dangerous time for this cult.
I think this is another example of your prescience and foreshadowing.
And I think if we talk again in five years, we'll have seen it all unfold according to some of your insights.
And I know we're going over, but I just wondered if you could give us a minute or two on a preview of Albion Heart of the World.
I'm so fascinated by that subject.
And I just wondered if you could just give us a little topic sentence.
Yeah.
It's being broadcast by Iconic, the media platform, alternative media platform that my son Jamie started about three years ago now.
And what Iconic does is does news shows virtually every weekday now about what's happening in the world and the conspiracy and what have you.
But there's also a great body of things that are constantly being added to.
but about the great totality of alternative ways of looking at the world. I've done a series called
The Nature of Reality, which is all about what reality is.
In fact, we've done some special effects in that to simulate it. Connecting the dots is
great.
Dot connector.
Yeah, I do the dot connector on every Saturday, going through the week's news and pointing out why it's really happened as opposed to why we're being told it's happened.
Right.
But there's a whole other area of spirituality, etc.
and the deeper The deeper levels, beyond just the conspiracy, although that's massively included.
And so I, we've done this film, it's actually two films, one's going out on Christmas Eve, the other one's going out on New Year's.
And it's called Albion Heart of the World.
The first one's called Realm of the Gods.
And the second one's called Awakening the Giant.
And Albion is the Oldest known name for the British Isles.
And the question that needs to be asked is why the British Isles, which you can hardly see on the globe.
I mean, you get a globe.
I mean, you know, America, there it is, Africa, there it is, all that stuff.
Oh, where's Britain?
And yet Britain has had such a massive central impact over the centuries, and earlier, on human society, global human society.
And then there's the question, why, I'm not talking about the British government, just another gopher operation, but why is so much of the inner core of this global cult, located in Britain, places like London, etc.
Why?
Why has it always been a place, if you go way back into history, that other areas of the world are focused upon?
And it's to do with what Britain is, Albion is, and that's not just on the level that you can see, It's what Britain is on levels you can't see, energetic levels.
And so in the two films, we explore what those other levels are and why they have made Britain such an enormous influence on the world.
When it's such a tiny group of islands.
And another question, why are there more standing stones, standing stone circles, ancient earthworks, ancient hill forts per square mile in Britain than anywhere else in the world?
Why is that?
And so it's a fascinating subject, which has so many different levels that are very relevant to the conspiracy, but also very relevant to the whole nature of reality.
And I think people are going to find them fascinating.
I've always been baffled by that question.
Like, how is this tiny island still probably underneath, like, the puppet master of the world?
Totally fascinated.
I'm taking the whole week between Christmas and New Year's off, so, like, that's going to be my treat.
The City of London Financial District, what they call the Square Mile...
Well, basically, it's the financial center of the world, beyond Wall Street.
It has its own laws, like the Vatican.
Exactly, exactly it does.
Why does the City of London have its own laws and its own police force, just like the Vatican does?
Because that's how they operate.
They say, we're going to make the laws which you're going to follow, but we're going to have our own.
Right.
Fence them off.
I'm super excited for that.
And I mean, obviously, I could listen to you forever and your iconic.com actually probably could have the opportunity to listen to so much material.
And it's really a lot of value.
But is there anything else or people that you want to direct people right now to explore some of the things we've talked about?
The trap is a lot of bang for the buck.
It really delivers on what it offers and iconic.com and anything else.
Well, no, I mean my main website where news stories are posted every day in the context of what they mean rather than what we're told they mean is davideye.com.
That's where all my videos are.
Well, there's lots of my videos on Iconic as well that are different to the ones on davideye.com.
The videos that I do every week all the time and interviews like this interview, for instance, will be on DavidIke.com.
So that's the place to start, DavidIke.com?
Yeah.
And all your books there, you have like 20 books, something like that?
Well, it's about nearer 30 now.
Oh, my gosh.
OK, so I'm going to start another one soon, because the thing is that, you know, if you it's like Socrates is supposed to have said in ancient Greece, wisdom is knowing how little we know.
I mean, once you realize that, and when you think that we're operating in a tiny band of frequency and infinity lies beyond it, the idea that we know all there is to know or all we need to know is ridiculous.
And so when you operate on that perspective, wisdom is knowing how little we know, your mind is always open to other possibilities.
And this is the thing, One thing above all else that you can say is true, without any fear of contradiction, is that whatever we think we know, at whatever point, there's always more to know than we think we know.
And so your mind is always open, it's always exploring.
Okay, got this far, now where else do I need to go to get a greater understanding of where this is coming from?
And what that means is that you don't go into the eddy of just going round and round, recycling stuff you've already done.
You keep pushing the envelope, pushing the cutting edge.
Because the cutting edge, if it's not moving, then there's a problem because the cutting edge is only what we think we know.
There's always more to know beyond that.
So let's go and find it.
And that means more books come up all the time.
So I would say in the context of deep dives, as deep as you dive, you can always dive deeper.
Oh, yes.
I cannot wait to continue to explore this journey.
I don't know if I'll ever get my mind around kind of the ultimate message of You know, higher dimensions, but I feel like it gives me a lot to work on.
It gives me a lot of... Doors are constantly opening when I read your stuff and watch your stuff.
I'm super excited for My Christmas Treat, the Albion Heart of the World.
And I can't thank you enough for your time.
It's been a real privilege and a pleasure.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, Monica.
It's been a real pleasure for me, too.
Bye.
The whole basis of the manipulation is to divide us.
And it's to get us to judge each other, to hate each other, to envy each other, to compete with each other.
It's to confuse people, especially the young, about their gender, who weren't confused before.
That's what it's about!
A lot of people don't carry cash anymore, and they're not grabbing credit cards either.
Instead, they're using their smartphones.
A currency that wouldn't be cash, it would be merely electronic, for which there are fundamental implications for human freedom.
The United States is preparing for a war against Russia through Ukraine, and what they plan is to try to take Crimea back.
The idea for this third world war is to involve Russia and China against the West.
Stage one you create a problem.
in China.
That's the gain of medical supplies and physical drugs.
But can you explain why vaccines are missing?
Stage one, you create a problem.
It could be a manufactured virus.
You want a reaction and you want them to either say, do something, or you want them to accept what the
authorities suggest must be done.
We've got to do something.
you you
So one of the agendas is to massively cull the population.
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