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Nov. 30, 2022 - David Icke

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Humanity's 'Headset' Reality - David Icke Major Interview On The Nature Of Reality

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	Mr. David Icke, thank you so much for joining us today.
	You've written a million books.
	I think your theories, for a large part, have actually come true and we're seeing a lot of them happening today in front of our face.
	Yeah, I mean, it's something I didn't want to be right about, to be honest.
	I had an extraordinary, what you might call spiritual, not religious, but spiritual experience.
	in 1990 and it set me on a journey of asking the question, what is this reality?
	Actually more than one question. What is this reality? Who are we? Where are we? What's going on?
	And who and what actually is controlling and directing the direction of the world?
	Thank you.
	And so 32 years later, I'm still at it.
	And unfortunately, because that wasn't really the idea, what I've said in my books over the years has come to pass and is coming to pass actually in fine detail often.
	And, you know, people have said to me, how did you predict the future?
	Well, I didn't.
	What I predicted and what I laid out over this three decades and more is what the plan was for humanity by this network that I've been exposing all these years.
	And the idea was, and we're now starting to see it stir, the idea was to alert enough people to stop this agenda unfolding.
	And the fact that it has unfolded means that we've not done that yet.
	But like I say, in the last two, two and a half years, the events in the world have have made enormous numbers of people, I know because I know what it was like before, look at the world and look at world events and say, what is actually happening?
	Where is this world going?
	And why?
	And who's behind it?
	All these things happening in the world and you say to yourself, did the public ever have a choice in this?
	Were the public ever asked?
	And the answer is no.
	And so, Who's behind it then?
	If the public are not generating it, they're not saying, yeah, okay, we'll go with that.
	I've been being given a choice.
	Then someone else is making the choices.
	And that's the whole point of my work in the last 32 years, along with the deeper, deeper questions, which are fundamentally connected into this, which is, what is this place?
	What is this reality?
	Who are we?
	Where are we?
	What are we doing here?
	What I find so interesting is you grew up and you were playing football and that was your way to get out of the slums and then you get into broadcasting.
	How do you go from broadcasting to that day in 1990 where you go see a psychic, right?
	And then she tells you that there's a message from the spirit and so on and so forth.
	When you walk into that psychic that kind of changes the path that you go, what are the first things that are said?
	Take me through that experience.
	Well, what happened is that I was born in a place called Leicester in the English East Midlands, in what they call a working class environment.
	We rented the house off the council.
	And I wanted to be a professional footballer from the age of 10, 11.
	And fortunately, I became one.
	But I had to finish at the age of 21 with arthritis.
	And all the way through my childhood, I'd always been fascinated by journalism.
	I read newspapers.
	Even as a kid, I was reading newspapers.
	So my second string, if you like, if football didn't work out, was always going to be a journalist.
	So I became a newspaper journalist and then a radio journalist and then I started working for the BBC as a national television presenter in news but later in totality in sport.
	And then through the 1980s I became concerned about what was happening with the environment.
	I was seeing places I grew up as a kid enjoying and loving being Covered in concrete.
	And so I got involved in green politics at that time.
	I certainly wouldn't get involved now, the way it's gone, but I did then.
	It was different then.
	And I became a national spokesman for the British Green Party for a relatively short time.
	Because in that period, would have been around 1987, 88, going through to 1990,
	I joined the Green Party at a time when suddenly, you know, a man and a dog used to turn up for
	Green Party events.
	A journalist or two maybe would turn up for the National Conference, you know.
	And then suddenly, in the European elections of the late 1980s, we got this massive vote.
	And so we were thrust into the political limelight, if you like.
	And so at that time, I'm presenting sports for the BBC nationally, and I'm a national spokesman for the British Green Party.
	But something strange was happening in that period of 1989 going through into 1990.
	Something very strange was happening.
	And that was that when I was in a room alone, it didn't feel like I was alone.
	And I wasn't into any of this stuff.
	I was just living a regular life, if you like.
	Were you into any type of psychedelics or anything at all?
	Say again?
	Oh, I'm sorry, were you into any type of psychedelics, anything like that at this time?
	No, none of that, no, not at all.
	I was just a regular guy, just getting on with my life.
	And as the year 1989 unfolded, this presence, if you like, got more and more tangible to me, until in the spring of 1990, I was working for the BBC and I was at a hotel in Shepherd's Bush near the main BBC television centre.
	It was called the Kensington Hilton, it's still there.
	And I was sitting on the bed, I'd just come back from a show or something, and this presence in the room was so tangible that I actually spoke out in the room and I said, if there's something there, would you please contact me because you'll drive me up the bloody wall.
	And a few days later, I'm near my home, a place called the Isle of Wight, just off the south coast of England.
	And I was with my son, Gareth, a little boy then.
	And I walked into this newspaper shop that I knew well, on the seafront.
	And I was saying to Gareth, who was reading one of the books, come on guys, we'll go up in the town and get some lunch.
	And as I went to say that, I felt the atmosphere around me change.
	I would now say that was an electromagnetic field.
	Anyway, my feet kind of started to feel as if they were like magnets pulling them out of my feet to the ground.
	The bottom of my feet started to burn and I'm thinking, you know, I don't know anything about all this.
	So I'm like, what the hell's going on?
	And then I heard, it wasn't a voice, it was a very strong thought form, which certainly wasn't generated by me, which said, go and look at the books on the far side.
	And I knew this shop very well.
	I used to buy papers from there all the time.
	And I knew that the books on the far side were romantic novels, which the tourists at Seaside Place used to buy to read on the beach and stuff.
	So in a bewildered kind of daze, I walk across to these books, and in the middle of them was just one that wasn't a romantic novel.
	It was by a woman called Betty Shine.
	It was called Mind to Mind.
	So I was attracted to it because it was the only book that wasn't a romantic novel.
	So I pick it up and I turn it over and I read the blurb and I saw the word psychic.
	I never met a psychic before, not to my knowledge anyway.
	Like I say, just a regular bloke.
	And so I read it in 24 hours, found it fascinating.
	It was like a biography of her life and how she works.
	And so, I call her and I go to see her.
	And I went four times.
	First two times, and she did energy healing.
	And the reason I said to her that I was going was, I've got arthritis, you know, from the football.
	Maybe you're healing my health.
	But my real reason, I was open to that as well, but my real reason was, what if you pick up what's been going on around me?
	With the feelings that you were having and the heavy feet and just like the gravity pulling on you and maybe the cloudiness.
	So you went there for the arthritis, but also maybe to clear your head of what you're feeling, thinking, seeing, and so on.
	Yeah, I wanted to see if she picked it up.
	And the last thing I wanted to do with her is to give her any inkling that anything was happening to me.
	I mean, that would be ridiculous.
	Yeah.
	If you want a kind of tangible evidence.
	So I go along a couple of times, we're chatting away and she's doing the healing and, you know, nice chat, nothing happened.
	And I went the third time and I'm sitting on this medical type bench thing in her front room.
	She's doing a hands-on healing thing on my left knee.
	And suddenly I felt like a spider's web on my face.
	And I would say that now too was electromagnetic field.
	I didn't know that at the time.
	And I didn't say anything, but I did think, whoa, she said in her book that when other levels, other realities are trying to lock into you, you can sometimes feel like there's a spider's web on your face.
	So I thought, whoa, this is strange.
	I didn't say a word to her.
	And then about 10 or 15 seconds later, she launches her head back and said, my God, this is powerful.
	I've got to close my eyes for this one.
	And my bum is slipping down the bench now, because I'm in something I know nothing about, and what the hell is going on?
	And then she started telling me that this figure, this projection in her psychic side, was telling her I was going to go out on a world stage and reveal great secrets.
	That one man cannot change the world, but one man can communicate the message that can change the world.
	That there was a massive story that had to be told, and that all that had been hidden was going to come to the surface.
	And that I would be led to knowledge, and at other times, knowledge would just be put into my mind, and I would just know it.
	And so, obviously, when I'm hearing this, I'm thinking, what?
	uh... and that with the third time for time rather and something else
	uh... happens something similar
	and all i can say is that from the time that that happens
	my life dramatically changed suddenly the the bbc uh...
	didn't renew my contract Literally, what, two months later?
	And I was a young guy.
	Most of the people in the sports department at the BBC, presenters and stuff, they were the people I watched on telly when I was a kid, a lot of them, certainly when I was a teenager.
	And so I would, you would think, have a long longevity in that arena.
	But they just stopped my contract, which forced me out to go on another journey.
	And at the same time, my life was changing.
	And what was happening was very much like the words of the psychic said.
	That I would be led to knowledge because suddenly I would walk into people, personal experience, books, documents, whatever, that started to show me a picture of how the world was actually not controlled by that which appears to be controlled, like presidents and prime ministers.
	And governments.
	And this just went on and on and on, getting more and more expansive, right to present day.
	And it's encompassed many, from the human perspective of normal, really far out things.
	And also, it's shown me that the reality we think we are experiencing, this world of solidity and limitation, is actually not what we're experiencing at all.
	It just appears to be like that.
	So, over the last 32 years, this synchronicity, and that's what it is, this amazing synchronicity of coincidence after coincidence, quote, after the other, has led me to this Big picture knowledge of what the world is and what it's being controlled by.
	And that other point about sometimes we will lead him to knowledge and at other times we'll put knowledge directly into his mind.
	Well, that has certainly happened because in the first maybe year, couple of years after that Betty Shine experience, I would look at information that was coming my direction.
	And I would conclude from that information what was going on.
	But then there was a shift that has gone on to present day, which is that I somehow know what's going on.
	And then the information, the names, dates, places, the data, if you like, follows to confirm the original Intuitive assumption.
	So it's been an extraordinary life and getting more extraordinary all the time because now, suddenly, see, because of what I was saying and what I was, some of the far out things I was talking about and writing about, I was subject to mass ridicule in Britain and then the wider world.
	But what's happening now in the last two and a half years is a massive situation that's unfolded in the Netherlands when I was asked to go and speak at a peace rally and all hell broke loose among the authorities that I was going to that country to speak for half an hour about peace.
	There is a massive effort now to silence me, to stop me communicating what I'm saying, which is further confirmation that As events have confirmed that the information that's come my way over the last 32 years is actually telling the truth.
	Well, I read in one of your pieces that you had said the Earth has been around, or life, two or three hundred thousand years, right?
	So, Graham Hancock, finally, he was able to release it.
	Him and his buddy, Randall, they had studied the Amazon, the pyramids, so on and so forth, and they didn't want to let out what they had found because they were building a facility to do further research and they didn't want the government to be involved.
	So as they're studying, there's a lake that goes right in the middle there.
	It's not there anymore.
	I think it's very thin.
	And within that, they have data found bone 100,000 years old.
	So right there alone, that was just announced maybe two weeks ago, and I believe you had written that in, what, 2003?
	Or maybe even in the 90s?
	That this is not 6,000 years old or 20,000 years old.
	This is a long, long time.
	And now there's data to back what you say, along with how the pyramids were made.
	And you talk a lot about vibration.
	And to me, it makes total sense.
	Because if somebody says, well, how do you think the pyramids were made?
	To me, and then I want to hear what you think.
	To me, I think with vibration, if you take an electric razor and put it on a table now, it moves.
	So if the civilization was 10,000 years more advanced than us, why would it not make sense that that vibration on the electric, you know, regular razor that's battery operated today, in 10,000 years wouldn't be able to move a 70 ton stone?
	Why is it impossible for sound to be able to move things?
	Why is telepathic impossible?
	And to me, that's what I think.
	All of these things are possible.
	And you know what, mate?
	You know one of the frustrating things is it's so bloody simple.
	The academic world and the scientific world that interlocks with it seems to believe that to understand reality, to understand possibility, It has to be complex.
	You see these massive bloody equations they come out with that virtually no one understands, maybe even the people that... I don't think they even know!
	It's actually so simple and it can be broken down to perception creates reality.
	I mean, there's a lot of backgrounds to to talk about in relation to that, but that's basically the dynamic that we're dealing with.
	And so if you want to control billions of people, as this network I've been exposing all these years does, and clearly is now, then you've got to control the perception of the population because then They will manifest that reality.
	So how does this work?
	Well, first of all, and there's many things come from this.
	First of all, if you said to people, when you look through your eyes, can you see everything in the space you're looking at?
	And most people would say, yes, I can.
	I can see that wall and I can see that light, I can see this computer.
	And in between the things that I'm seeing is empty space.
	That's the way it is.
	But it's not.
	First of all, according to mainstream science, one figure I've seen anyway, is that the electromagnetic spectrum, which is basically this reality that we're experiencing, is 0.005% of what exists in what they call the universe as energy in its different forms.
	0.005%, the electromagnetic spectrum.
	But visible light, which is the only frequency band that we can actually see when I'm looking around this room now, all I can see is what exists within that visible light, is a fraction of the 0.005 percent. So humans are basically blind and
	what we're living in is a, I say in, in quotes for reasons that might become clear, is like a
	television channel. If you look at the analog system, this is about vibration frequency you were
	mentioning, if you...
	If you look at the analog television or radio system, it's different frequencies, different radio television stations, sharing the same space.
	And if they're far enough apart on the dial, in other words, in terms of frequency, then they're not aware of each other.
	When you put on And when you put on an analog version of CNN or Fox or whatever, you don't hear Fox and CNN coming in on the other channel.
	They're too far away on the dial.
	And the only time you get what they call interference is when two radio stations are close on the dial and then there's this interference.
	So in this space that I'm looking at now is the entirety of infinite reality.
	But the human form, the vehicle, what I call the biological computer, is only capable in visual terms of decoding a certain tiny,
	tiny band of frequency visible light.
	So immediately you can start to see apparent mysteries start to fall,
	because they do when you come from this perspective.
	For instance, when people say, I saw this UFO or this craft or whatever, and it appeared out of nowhere, and then disappeared into nowhere.
	Or there was some entity at the end of the bed that appeared out of nowhere and then disappeared into nowhere.
	Well, of course, from quote normal reality and what is normal, it's only what people normally experience.
	That's all it is.
	It's not actual reality in its entirety and possibility.
	It's only what you normally experience is what we call normal.
	From a normal perspective, anyone who says that saw this entity, saw this craft, disappeared, appeared out of nowhere, they look at them and they go, what are you on, mate?
	That's what's impossible.
	Well, of course, it's not impossible.
	Perfectly explainable.
	What happens is when something enters visible light, The observer can see it.
	And to the observer, it's appeared out of nowhere.
	It hasn't.
	It's come into this frequency band.
	Whether it's an entity, whether it's a craft, whatever.
	And when it leaves this frequency band to the observer, and everything's about the observer, it's disappeared into nowhere.
	But it hasn't.
	It's just left what human visual sight can see.
	And so the very foundation of our sense of reality, which is that we are part of something that you can see everything that there is to see, is absolutely not true straight away.
	And when people talk about non-human entities and they say, well, where are they then?
	I can't see them.
	Well, my answer is, well, actually you can't see almost everything that exists in the entirety of reality.
	They exist outside of this visible light frequency band, and unless they enter it, you ain't gonna see it.
	That makes a lot of sense.
	When we're talking about possibility and, you know, talking about pyramids and possibility and what have you, we go to another level of what is this reality.
	And here's one to throw in there.
	The reality that we experience is outside of us.
	It's not outside of us at all.
	It's in here.
	You know, I'm looking at a computer now, and the computer is picking up a Wi-Fi field.
	Now, I'm looking around.
	Where's the Wi-Fi field?
	I can't see it.
	No, because it's outside of visible light.
	But what happens is it's a Wi-Fi field and what does that contain?
	Infinite amounts of information.
	It contains the entirety of the information on what we call the Internet.
	Just in that field, that radiation field.
	But the computer only decodes the part of that infinite field that the computer is programmed to pick up.
	So now I'm on Zoom, so my computer is picking up Zoom.
	But all the rest of the Internet exists in the field around me, which I can't see.
	And then you think, well, if you said to someone, what is the Internet?
	They'd say, well, it's pictures on the screen, it's graphics, it's words, it's moving pictures, it's images and all that stuff.
	Yeah, that's what it is.
	Well, yes, it is.
	But only on the screen.
	The only place the Internet exists in that form that we perceive the Internet is on the screen of the computer.
	Everywhere else it's a Wi-Fi field or electrical circuits.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And so what I've been saying over the years is this unfolding technological world that we're seeing unfold is actually mimicking The very reality that we're experiencing, and in this way, I talk about the field, and that's the field that we're all interacting with all the time.
	But because of the five senses, we don't see the field.
	But we do, we can feel it, but we don't see it.
	So I'm looking around now in this room, and like I said earlier, I can see a light, and I can see a wall, I can see a computer, I can see a cup.
	And between them is empty space, to my five sense perception.
	But actually, they're all joined, as we are all joined as one, united consciousness, infinite consciousness, having different experiences.
	By this field, this field of consciousness, this field of energy.
	Some people call it God, call it what you like.
	It's this field of consciousness.
	And in this field we're interacting with, this field is waveform information.
	And just as the computer is picking up what it's programmed to pick up from the Wi-Fi field, so this is picking up what it's programmed to decode from, I'll
	call it the infinite field, though there's another level of that I'm sure we'll come to. And so if you
	look at how the five senses work, they pick up waveform information, vibration, frequency.
	I mean, the ears are the classic because they're picking up sound waves.
	For instance, I'm talking now.
	Yes.
	But there's not words passing between me and the audience.
	What's passing between us is a vibrational field generated by my vocal cords.
	And the ears pick up that that field.
	And they turn it, this is mainstream science, they turn it into electrical signals, they communicate it to the brain, and the brain has certain areas which specialize in decoding different of the five senses.
	And then the brain forms that information into a reality, a reality which I say is a digital holographic reality.
	Which is not outside of us, although I'll grant you it feels and experiences like that, but it's actually in here, just like it's what you look at the computer is inside the computer.
	That's right.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	While we're on this, how would you throw déjà vu in that?
	Would you consider that, you know, another dimension crossing at the wrong time or energy just happening to collide at the wrong time?
	like an example would be say the radio station is 92.1 and 92.7 decides to for whatever reason turn
	to 90.0 and in that for that split second that energy just crossed at the wrong time
	and then that would explain partially why oh I've been here before I feel this place I know this
	smell just for that split second but you were never there in this reality.
	Thank you.
	Well, you know, maybe you were at one point, or maybe there's many possible explanations to that.
	Maybe you are experiencing something that you've experienced, how can I put it?
	Subconsciously?
	In another way, say, you might have had a dream about it and then it happens.
	I mean, there's many different explanations that are possible.
	But, you know, when you mentioned earlier about telepathy and stuff like that, what I've just described completely explains telepathy.
	Because I've heard many times people say, you know, I've had this amazing experience.
	What happened was I was thinking of someone and the bloody phone rang and it was them.
	So and you go, well, that's weird.
	Well, actually, it's not.
	Because once you get this concept of the field, And the concept too, that every time we think and every time we feel an emotion,
	We are generating a frequency.
	A frequency that relates to that emotion, actually.
	Fear and anxiety and depression are very low, slow frequencies.
	That's why people in that state often say, oh, I feel so heavy today.
	And love and joy and happiness are very high frequencies.
	And thus, when people are in that state, they say, oh, I feel so light today.
	It's lovely, isn't it?
	What a lovely day.
	But what these frequencies are doing as we generate is they're passing through the field.
	So, especially if, and again, it's all about frequency and it's all about tuning into frequency.
	For instance, if you have a close relationship with someone, then this goes into, you know, what became known in Africa and other places around the world as the Bush telegraph.
	Where men out on the hunt would know what was happening in the village if there was a problem or something.
	And they'd know, they'd just know.
	And it was called the bush telegraph.
	The bush telegraph is what I'm describing now.
	The thing is that in that If you're like native society situation, people are much more in tune with the frequencies around them.
	Whereas, you know, you're looking at a mega city like New York or London, and these frequencies are fighting against mega technological frequencies being generated more and more now with 5G.
	6G and 7G to come.
	It's very much more difficult to be sensitive, but this is how it works.
	So if we go back to the example, you know, I thought of someone and suddenly the phone rang and they were there.
	Well, when you were thinking of them, they were thinking of you because they're about to phone you!
	And therefore, you can pick up.
	If you have a sensitivity connection to something, particularly, you can pick up what they're giving out.
	And suddenly, you don't think, oh, no, there's so-and-so in Australia.
	Yeah, he's going to call me now.
	He's not that much.
	But what you get is they come into your mind because their frequency is hitting you.
	And then the phone rings because the reason you were thinking of them is because they were thinking of you.
	And all the time, you know, this telepathy is simply frequencies being generated through thought and emotion.
	And other people tuning in and decoding that frequency.
	And that's where telepathy comes from.
	It's ever so simple.
	You know, you don't need equations all over the bloody wall.
	It's real simple.
	There's a very simple explanation and especially the way you break it down now when you speak of that and then we had in Robert Beto who he works with Elon Musk he did a lot of different stuff and his theory was just like yours and what was odd is that they had pretty much come up with this maybe two years ago three years ago and And his writings were, space never began, it never ends, the space-time continuum, and he was the first one that shed light to me that the Big Bang never happened.
	And I said, come on, because you know, as a kid, that's all you hear.
	Yeah, I know.
	1990s, Big Bang never happened.
	It's a joke.
	I know.
	And it and I'm telling you, two years ago is when these modern or whatever you want to call it, big tech started to go a little bit back on that.
	And now they're really going back on that.
	But you have written it in the 90s.
	And he had said, you know, when he was here a year and a half ago, the Big Bang happens all the time.
	It's just a collision.
	Would you agree with that?
	And that space... I'm sorry.
	And he also said that space is like a rubber band.
	It never begins and it never ends.
	It's just like a rubber band that keeps expanding with the black holes into another universe and another universe, whereas before we had thought that a black hole would just eat you up and spit you out.
	Now they... I want to hear what you have to think about that.
	I want that prediction, Mr. Ike.
	Yeah, I would go further than that.
	Please do.
	What happened is, just after the turn of the millennium, I had this overwhelming feeling, knowing, you might call it, that we live in a simulation.
	The dramatically advanced version of a virtual reality game.
	And at that time, just after the turn of the millennium, I could only find one other person anywhere in the world, on the internet anyway, that was saying that.
	It was a guy called Nick Bostrom, who's a professor at Oxford University.
	And he was talking about the possibility that our reality is a simulation, but he was doing it in a different way.
	He saw it in a different way to the way I saw it.
	Anyway, I wrote it in the books.
	You know, this is what I feel.
	This is why I feel we're in a simulation.
	And I said, and I suggest that the limit of the simulation in this reality that we're experiencing, there are other levels of it, is the speed of light.
	And that speed of light is not the fastest speed possible.
	It's the fastest speed in this level of the simulation and therefore it appears to those in the simulation as if it's the fastest speed.
	And in the spring, April I think it was, of 2021, Scientific American published an article by an academic Saying that he concluded that we live in a simulation and the limit of the simulation is the speed of light, which got kind of pricked my ears up.
	And one of the things I've been saying over the years is what we call the laws of physics are actually the rules of the simulation.
	Just as you have a virtual reality game and whoever creates the game writes the rules, the limitations, what's possible, what's not possible.
	So what we call the laws of physics are the laws of the simulation.
	And that's why when people have these near-death experiences, they describe a world in very common terms and themes that has a very different, if you like, law of physics than we have here.
	It makes sense from where I'm coming from.
	Why do they always say they see white?
	Why do they always say, I see a white light?
	I see white, I see white, I see white.
	When somebody's in a near-death experience, 8 out of 10 will say, I saw a white light.
	Do you think that that's something that was just shoved in their subconscious all their life from other people saying, oh, I almost died and I saw the light?
	Well, what I'd like to do, if it's possible, is to come back to that in a moment.
	Absolutely.
	I have written about that.
	My latest book is called The Trap, and one aspect of that is that light.
	What is it?
	But just to continue the point about the simulation, What this academic said in Scientific America is that he went with the thing about the laws of physics are actually the laws of the simulation, but he then said that he felt the limits of the simulation is speed of light and he related that to the processing speed of the simulation.
	He points out you can have all the laws and physics and rules that you want, but you're still going to be limited by your processing speed.
	So that's where he was coming from.
	And what I found interesting from the time I was talking about this, just after the millennium, is how many now mainstream scientists in the different disciplines have come forward and said, it does look like we live in a simulation.
	There's Silas Bean, a physicist who led a team at the University of Bonn in Germany, Who concluded that we probably live in a simulation and that it's based on a matrix of cubes.
	There was Rich Terrell at NASA in the computer department who said in 2017 that he concluded that we do live in a simulation and that it's a holographic simulation, which is what I was saying all along.
	Also, uh, Brian Cox, Brian Cox, he says that as well.
	Yeah.
	He said, he said, if it's a simulation, then it's not natural, is it?
	So some forces created it.
	And, and that's what I've also been saying all along since the 1990s to great ridicule, but a lot less now.
	Um, and so, um, when I talk about this, this field, there's two fields.
	There's the field that you, you might call the infinite field.
	And then there's the simulation field, because what this simulation, this matrix is, is information.
	And this matrix field has overlaid the infinite field, and we're being tuned in to this matrix field.
	So that's what we are experiencing.
	We're not experiencing infinite reality in that sense.
	We're experiencing this overlaid matrix reality.
	What would be the infinite field?
	What would the infinite field be?
	How would you describe that?
	That is the infinite field of consciousness that is all that is, has been, and ever can be.
	And what many people call God, I call it the infinite.
	It's that within which everything happens.
	Everything is an expression of that.
	But what has happened with this simulation field?
	It's been overlaid.
	And what's happening now with this smart grid, with this cloud, this technologically generated cloud from space and from towers all over the world?
	That's another level.
	That's another technological level, another technological field.
	That's being created within the simulation field that operates within the infinite field.
	And so we are decoding this reality from this simulation field.
	And I use this analogy in the book, the track.
	If you are in the womb and you've got a virtual reality headset, And you've come out of the womb, still with the headset on, and your parents have got the headset on.
	And so you're communicating with each other and you're perceiving reality according to what the headset is feeding you.
	And you've only got to see people.
	There's many videos of it on the internet.
	Who have these headsets on, these virtual reality headsets, and they're in a quiet room like this.
	But not in their perception, they're not.
	In their perception, they are where the headset information is telling them they are, and they're thrashing around and all this stuff.
	Because what do these virtual reality games do?
	They override the five senses, they connect into the five senses which starts decoding a different reality.
	So if you look at the most sophisticated ones, they put the gloves on, that's the field senses, the sight senses, the hearing senses, and suddenly the five senses that were perceiving this reality are now being overridden by technologically generated information which they are decoding
	into a fake reality.
	So take the analogy on, you come out of the womb with a head cell and you then
	have parents with a head cell, brothers and sisters with a head cell.
	You go to school.
	Everyone in the school's got the headset on.
	The teachers tell you about what reality is and what you must believe and not believe and everything like that.
	They've got the headset on.
	You go on to university.
	The professors have got the headsets on.
	You go out into the world.
	Your peers around you in the world of work have got the headset on.
	You put the television on, hello, good evening and welcome.
	The presenters and the journalists, what, pass for them, have got the headset on.
	Then a politician comes on and makes a speech, he's got a headset on, she's got a headset on.
	The scientists have got headsets on, apart from those that are at the cutting edge.
	The academics have got the headset on, and if they don't do what the headset tells them is real, or say what the headset tells them is real, they're going to lose their job very quickly.
	We've seen that in recent years, my God.
	Doctors too.
	And so, and then everyone with a headset is confirming to everyone else that what the headset is feeding them is reality.
	And nobody knows.
	They say it's all an illusion, mate.
	You know, it's not like you think it is.
	And what the headset people do is they call you mad.
	They ridicule you and they call you dangerous.
	I just had Robert Epstein in, Dr. Malone, all these doctors, and I just tried a couple days ago to talk to somebody.
	You know, just from what I learned right away, you're nuts, you're doing too many of those podcasts.
	Do you know who these people are?
	Like yourself?
	Like Mr. McCullough?
	Malone?
	These guys have 40 years of research.
	They make vaccines.
	They don't go on podcasts unless there's a problem.
	But just like you're saying, When you try to explain reality to somebody, or the possibility of what reality is, automatically you're nuts.
	You know, it's a conspiracy, you need to go to a mental institute.
	And I was stuck on the, I used to call it the Minecraft, the simulation for a long time.
	I would go back and forth between dimensions and simulation.
	And then can simulation survive with the dimensions as well?
	Things like that.
	You've probably come across the work of academic physicists and such like, who pointed out that this reality can be broken down into mathematics, In the same way that computer systems can and that basically the physics of virtual reality games are the physics of our reality.
	And there's a guy called Max Tegmark at MIT, or at least he was at MIT when I researched what he was
	saying.
	He was saying exactly this, that you can look at the mathematical nature of our reality,
	and it's just the same as a virtual reality game.
	And then there's James Gates, who was a science advisor to the Obama administration.
	He started looking at the possibility that we are in a simulation in a matrix.
	And he did press conferences in which he pointed out that what you find in computer systems, you find in the fabric of this reality.
	And so you can start to see Why it is that this technological world that's rolling so fast, and changing our society so fast, is actually mimicking the very reality that we experience.
	Because in that sense, the reality that we're experiencing is not natural, it's created.
	And it's created in the same basic way as the Matrix movies portrayed.
	If you look at how the Neo's and the Morpheus's etc.
	entered the Matrix, they didn't walk into it with their bodies.
	Their bodies were outside the Matrix.
	They went into the Matrix with their minds.
	That probe in the back of the neck connected them to the information that was the matrix and their brain started to decode it.
	Now just relate that to a headset and suddenly you can see the concept.
	This is a manifestation of our mind.
	And I say in The Trap, I think everything is a manifestation of mind, including the body.
	And so, you know, I'm looking at reality from a completely different direction to the mainstream.
	But what is happening more and more is mainstream people are coming out and saying, well, actually, it does look like this.
	It does, it does.
	So how would the dimensions counter align or align with the simulation?
	Because like I said, I was stuck on that simulation for a long, long time.
	That's what made sense to me, along with the dimensions.
	But how would that, could they coexist?
	Could a simulation and dimensions coexist?
	Yeah, I mean, you know, if you look at the infinite field, it's an infinite field of different realities, what people call dimensions.
	What are those different realities?
	They're different bands of frequency.
	And what this simulation is, is something that is overridden.
	and become a self-contained reality within infinite reality.
	And the idea is to maintain humanity within a state of ignorance about where it is and what it is and what's going on.
	So that we stay within this enclosed field that I'll call the matrix or the simulation.
	Now, this is fascinating.
	You should raise this because In the book, The Trap, I do explore all this in detail because I've looked at all possibility and what I don't do is just dismiss it.
	Unless I know it's not true from what I've seen before, I don't just dismiss it.
	I give it a chance to make its case.
	And I've looked at reincarnation.
	The recycling, if you like, of consciousness in and out of this reality through the vehicle, the body.
	And I've seen enough evidence to convince me that it's real.
	But I have big questions that follow that.
	According to mainstream science, as they project it currently, Compared with the projected size of the universe, planet Earth is the equivalence of a billionth of a pinhead.
	So if you go to the Eastern religions, they are saying that we have to keep reincarnating to learn lessons, to reach a state of enlightenment where we don't longer have to be in that cycle, that wheel of misfortune that I would call it.
	And so, the idea that we have to keep reincarnating onto a billionth of a pinhead to learn lessons, to reach a state of perception and enlightenment where we don't have to do that anymore, frankly, seems rather ridiculous to me.
	And the other question I had, or I had many, but this was enough, given that if you look outside the The world of the more privileged of Western society and more privileged of other societies as well.
	Then most people have a bloody hard time here.
	You look around the world.
	I've been to countries, many, many countries.
	I've been to about 60 countries now.
	Wow.
	Where you look at life in those countries and you think, my God, what a nightmare.
	What a daily trudge and battle to survive.
	What's one of the worst countries you've been to?
	There's a lot in Africa.
	There's a lot in South America.
	I mean, I remember being in Ecuador and I went to this massive rubbish tip And I, a massive rubbish tip.
	And there were people living in makeshift homes around the rubbish tip.
	And I'm thinking, what's going on?
	And then the vans would appear from the Western hotels with the food that hadn't been eaten.
	And they would tip it onto the tip.
	And then suddenly people appear from everywhere to get the food.
	You know, it was horrific, heartbreaking to watch.
	The point I'm making is, and the point I asked was, I can understand you might get trapped and come into this reality once, but when you left it, you'd say, I ain't going back there.
	Yeah, so my point is that, so why do people keep reincarnating?
	And how does this reincarnation work?
	And then, as I explore in the trap, it seems to me that this level of the matrix, the simulation, is only one level of it.
	There are other levels of it.
	And those other levels are known as the spirit world.
	Because there's the simulation levels, where you your consciousness gravitates to, when you leave
	the body, if you're in a not in a high enough vibrational state, perceptual state, state of
	enlightenment, exactly what they talk about in the Eastern religions, to get out of here to get out of the
	matrix, which is a frequency field.
	It's a frequency prison, almost like a bubble, then you, you gravitate to other levels of the
	matrix, the non what you might call the non physical level.
	So there is no physical really, if you get deep into it, and then you keep coming back. And,
	you know, there's this great line, Um,
	Death is no cure for ignorance.
	And you can remain in a state of ignorance within the matrix and believe that these other levels of the matrix are actually the spirit world.
	And you can actually believe that actually what you need to do is keep coming into this reality to learn lessons in it.
	And the whole point of the matrix and that which is behind it is to keep consciousness within it Within the frequency walls of the Matrix field, prison.
	Because then they're not going to get out.
	And there's this old esoteric concept of the Ring Pass Knot, which is said to be a point, almost like the outer skin of a bubble, That if you don't have a frequency high enough to get through, it's all about frequency, this ring pass knot, this wall of the matrix, as I would call it, then you stay within the matrix.
	And the idea of the matrix, both in other levels of it, which we reincarnate from, and this level in particular, is to hold people in a low vibrational state.
	Now, how do you do that?
	You control their perception.
	Everything is perception.
	Everything, not only perception, although it's part of perception, is self-identity.
	So, for instance, when we come into this reality with the head cell, we are encouraged and pressured to perceive the eye, the self, With the labels of a human life.
	I am our man.
	I am our woman.
	I am our this race.
	I am our this religion.
	I am our this sexuality.
	That's who I am.
	No, no, that's the trick.
	They are not who we are.
	They are what our consciousness, the true I, is experiencing.
	But if you self-identify, it's not that you don't say, okay, I'm a man, I'm a woman, I'm having experience as a man, experience as a woman, experience this sexuality, whatever.
	But that's not who I am, it's what I'm experiencing.
	Then you can be in this world in terms of the labels, but not of this world in terms of your perception of the true I. But if you lose that perception of the true I, and everything's about telling us to do that, then you start self-identifying, perceiving, with the limitation of the labels of a human life.
	And what do those labels relate to?
	The five senses.
	And the five senses are the point with which the body interacts and interconnects with the matrix, the simulation field.
	So the idea is to pull us in.
	Now, if you notice, and you know, I've exposed all this in the books over the years and the talks.
	That which is behind the Matrix, that which is behind world events, not politicians, they're gophers, that's all they are, is in full knowledge of reality and what they're doing.
	So what they're doing now is they are subdividing the previous labels of a human life into smaller and smaller myopia of labels. So now we have LGBT and on and on and on
	the letters go. It's a massive number of letters that some universities are using now for self-identity
	and every single one of those letters is a self-identity relating to the five
	senses.
	So now the I is my sexual preference.
	No, no, no.
	I don't care what your sexual preference is.
	Enjoy, as long as you don't force it on anyone else.
	Right.
	But that's what you're experiencing.
	You are the I. And when you fall for the label trick, which most people do, because that's all they hear, You are going into this myopia, this tiny focus of attention that relates to your self-identity and the world as you perceive it.
	When you redefine your self-identity, no no, they are my experiences.
	and the consciousness, ultimately an expression of infinite consciousness that is having the experience, then two things happen.
	First of all, you start to expand your awareness and your perception of reality out into the greater field.
	And the more that you expand your reality by taking the padlock off your sense of the possible, The more your frequency is expanding and increasing to go beyond the simulation field to the infinite field.
	Another overrun.
	Another overrun.
	And at that point, yeah, exactly mate.
	And as you start tuning into the infinite field, this is what awakening is.
	Then you start to perceive this reality from a completely different perspective.
	Now you can see how the dots connect, and how the strands are part of a tapestry, and how everything's not random.
	You can see it because you're beyond that which is feeding you your fake sense of reality.
	And so, when you do that, And your frequency increases, your perception changes, so your frequency changes, so you reach a point of self-identity that when you leave, not only in the body you can connect out beyond the matrix and all the nonsense it's feeding you, but when you leave the body you're in a high enough vibrational state, out, away.
	And that's why they want people to leave the body in a lowest vibrational state that they can.
	And when you see how people are left to die, how their old people are treated, et cetera,
	in their last years of life, and it's all low vibrational stuff, or overwhelmingly so,
	When they leave the body, they're in that vibrational state.
	It's a trap.
	And the way out of the trap is to realize it's a trap, realize how it works, and realize the nature of the true I, because that will get you out of the trap.
	That's what they don't want you to realize.
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	See, before reading your material, your work, I never thought of that light, the light coming in so you can see it, it goes out, you can't see it.
	And then I thought that when you died, being that with the glasses on, And everybody else has the glasses on, so nobody, it doesn't, nobody knows.
	You know, it's just like when Google doesn't, when Google shows you what it wants to show you, you don't know that it's actually showing you what it wants to show you, not what you're actually searching for.
	So, I had, I had always thought that when you die, the last thing released was DMT.
	Then, furthermore study, they came up, they found advanced DMT.
	And under a scope, it mutates so fast that they can't even measure the energy in the alternative DMT, which they had found in the kidneys, brain, lungs, and liver, along with DMT.
	So I always thought, well, when you die, that's a hell of a lot of energy.
	It's got to go somewhere.
	But now you throw in the frequencies, the light, the simulation.
	I mean, there's a lot to everything.
	So there's a couple of things I'll pick up on.
	First of all, you make a fabulous point about Google, because we all know now it's been well,
	well, it's been well exposed for a long time.
	What Google is doing is fixing the search engine so that you only see what they and that which owns
	and controls Google and YouTube wants you to see.
	But there's information elsewhere that gives you a different fix on reality and situations,
	but you're not seeing it on Google, except if you get your wording absolutely perfect, or you
	go through pages and pages and pages and pages of stuff. That is such an analogy of how the nature
	of reality and the nature of what's going on in the world is kept from us by this system.
	But the other point, and you mentioned the light, it comes back to this tunnel of light.
	That got me interested too and I write about this in The Trap.
	So many people who had near-death experiences, they say that they went through this tunnel of light.
	It's a very common theme.
	And when they get to the end of the tunnel, there are loved ones or whatever, and they talk about a point where if you cross it, sometimes it symbolizes a wall, sometimes it symbolizes an archway, whatever.
	If you go through that, then you can't come back into the body.
	And because they're near-death experiences who do come back into the body, they don't know what's beyond that.
	Obviously they don't.
	And so, what I say in The Trap, Is that you go beyond that point and you're going into the recycling system of the matrix so that you're going to come back into reincarnation.
	And when I was writing the book, I read a lot of the work of therapists and psychologists and what have you, who had sought to take people back in their consciousness.
	to memories of the what you might call between human life world.
	And I found it very compelling because common themes were compelling.
	And I looked at it and I read what they were saying and how they were describing it.
	And I thought, this is another bloody hierarchy. This is another control system.
	They're not talking about infinite reality and, you know, going into the infinite forever and exploring wherever they want to.
	They were talking about a hierarchy.
	And then the hierarchy would... and they'd meet groups of elders who would discuss their previous life on Earth.
	What?
	I'll decide what I do, mate.
	Not you, bunch of prats.
	Thank you very much.
	Who are you?
	Who are these people in these other levels of the matrix?
	It's another hierarchy.
	And all hierarchies are control systems.
	I have no problem, for instance, with Global entities that coordinate cooperation between different sections, groups, countries.
	No problem with that.
	But that's not what happens.
	The hierarchy is a top down dictatorship, that kind of hierarchy.
	And I saw that in the so-called after human life world and the pennies started to drop.
	And, you know, what I do in the book, I mean, it does go into some very deep areas.
	I started to realize, I do explain why I think that and the evidence to support it, that while we're in a human life, we are being tracked.
	We're being tracked from these other levels of the simulation.
	And, well, people say, oh, you can't track 8 billion people.
	Well, hold on a minute.
	The Chinese population is about 5 billion, and they're being tracked in real time.
	More and more.
	With their eyes closed.
	Why can't we?
	The Chinese track with their eyes closed.
	And every other country as well.
	Exactly.
	You will have come across this concept of the Akashic Records, which is a concept in the esoteric world.
	And it basically was made popular by a bloke called Edgar Cayce, who used to go into a trance and then talk about healing and reality and the future and all that stuff.
	And the Akashic Records, and I, you know, when I started in this process from 1990, I came across the Akashic Records, but I didn't really go there much.
	And then when I was writing The Trap, I thought, Akashic Records.
	That sounds to me like a, almost like a database.
	So I started reading about it and what was claimed.
	And even in some of the analogies, that were describing these Akashic Records.
	These Akashic Records, according to Edgar Cayce, were a level of reality where everything is recorded and everything that's happened in the human world is known.
	Stories.
	Conversations, happenings, events, all of it is recorded.
	And I thought, it sounds to me like a bloody advanced database.
	So I I started reading about it, and as I say, even in some of the analogies that people promoting the existence of these Akashic Records were describing them in terms of a computer system and a computer database.
	And I thought, well, that's exactly what it seems to me they are.
	And so, for me, All this reincarnation karma and all this stuff going on, it's actually being driven by a level of AI that is vastly, almost inconceivably more advanced than the AI that we're having now.
	But what in this reality, but what it seems to me, Is these levels of AI that operate in other levels, other frequency bands of the matrix, are actually now being filtered in and sifted in to our reality.
	So we are starting to mirror here what's actually running the matrix in other levels of reality.
	And so, you know, you have this concept, the near-death experience, let's talk about.
	of the life review, where their whole life passes before them and it's reviewed by these elders and all that stuff that they talk about.
	Well, if you had a Kashuk Records, which is literally an immensely advanced database containing everything, that happened in your life,
	well, that becomes suddenly possible.
	And I do think that the trap goes much deeper than, I mean, I've explored and revealed in enormous detail
	how this world, the human world is controlled and who buy into what end.
	But when you go into these other levels of the matrix, you can you can see that it's much, much deeper than that.
	And then, I really like how you speak about the Illuminati.
	How does the Illuminati fit into all this where it makes sense?
	How would you fit in the Illuminati in a simple way?
	Because so far, you've been excellent at explaining.
	Yeah, OK.
	Again, it's very straightforward and it's very simple.
	Very simple.
	I mean, the complexity is how it plays out.
	It seems to be complex, but you get it to the core and it's simple.
	For me, genius is not understanding complexity.
	It's seeing the simple hidden by complexity.
	And this whole, in its foundation, it's very simple the way it works.
	If it was too complex, it wouldn't work.
	So, back in, from about 1996, I started meeting people in America.
	I was traveling around America.
	I call it a speaking tour, but I wouldn't really, because I was speaking, that's true, but no one was listening.
	And no one was listening, you know, I couldn't fill a phone booth, really.
	But what I was doing was meeting enormous numbers of people, again, very synchronistically, all around America, and I was picking up enormous amounts of information from whistleblowers, from insiders, And I then started to look at this and think, well, this control system was not created five years ago or 50 years ago.
	So if it exists, then now, then there must be evidence of it through the ancient world.
	So I started looking at different native cultures.
	I looked at one in particular, the Zulu culture, and a wonderful friend of mine, no longer with us unfortunately, called Credo Mutwa, a Zulu historian, a British historian.
	Yeah, amazing, amazing man.
	And then I looked at the writings of the Gnostic people, the Gnostic belief system, from documents that were found in an earthen jar in Nag Hammadi, about 75-80 miles north of Luxor in Egypt in 1945.
	And then I looked at the concept of the jinn in Islam, And I looked at the concept of the demons in Christianity.
	And I started, and I talked to Aboriginal people in Australia as well.
	And you start to pick up this absolutely common theme of a non-human force operating outside of the human scene that is manipulating human society.
	And interestingly, if you look at the Gnostic writings and the Nag Hammadi texts, which are a real treasure trove, really, I mean, of information, about a fifth of those texts, found in 1945, and estimated to have been hidden away in that earthen jar maybe about 400 AD, Although they would seem to go back further.
	And they would seem to be connected to the Great Library or Royal Library of Alexandria, which was a great depository of ancient knowledge.
	And, you know, there were people connected to the Great Library in Alexandria who were talking about the earth going around the sun.
	Thousands of years, really, you know, many, many, many hundreds of years, anyway, before it became an accepted fact.
	And they, about a fifth of these writings, these Gnostic writings, talked about archons.
	Now, archon is a Greek word meaning rulers.
	And they talked about the archons being the controllers of human society.
	And interestingly, They said, in these writings that go back all that time, that the Archons created a fake reality.
	And that this world that we are experiencing as humans is a fake reality.
	And they describe it in these terms.
	It's a bad copy of original reality.
	Prime reality, I'll call it.
	Prime reality that still exists.
	And so one of the things I write about in the books is how this matrix is actually a frequency digital holographic copy of prime reality or just part of prime reality, prime reality with an infinite reality.
	And that this is a trap.
	And this whole concept about the Garden of Eden, the Garden of Eden is the reality, the prime reality, I would say, that humans' consciousness, as we call it now, got trapped into.
	And so if we're looking at this level of the matrix beyond the human scene, and some people call it the lower astral, call it lower fourth dimension if this you call it the third dimension, is where these entities and ultimately a very distorted disturbed state of consciousness actually exist.
	And so when I have researched famous people within this reality in politics and business and corporations and all these different elements.
	So, so, so many times a common theme has been Satanism.
	And so when the ancients talked about sacrifices to the gods and they talked about worshipping the gods, well, who the hell were these gods?
	And they did it openly in ancient times.
	Now they do it secretly in their satanic rituals all around the world, which are extraordinarily common.
	And the big rituals of the big names.
	So who the hell?
	These people are very disturbed, but they're not intellectually stupid.
	They wouldn't be doing satanic rituals to that which doesn't exist.
	So what are they doing them to?
	And what you realize then is that these lower levels of the astral, which are part of this matrix, that's where these gods exist.
	These gods that Christians call demons, Islamic people call the jinn, the Gnostics called the Archons and Credo, Mucha and the Zulus
	call the Chitauri. And so what they are doing in their rituals is they're having
	sacrifices and rituals to the gods.
	And these are the entities in this other dimension, which is very, very close to this one, but not close enough for us to see.
	And I've talked to former Satanists and people that took part in rituals against their will all over the world, America, Canada, Britain, Australia, and so on.
	And they describe how what happens in these rituals is they're creating an energetic environment Which thins out the frequency difference between this reality and the reality of the gods.
	So that some of these, quote, gods could slip into the rituals through these, like, vortexes of thinned out difference between the dimensions.
	They can't stop for long, but so many people have described seeing the manifest and describe them in the same way.
	It's very compelling.
	And the other thing that you think of is, so what's this sacrifice to the gods all about?
	Well, this lower end of the astral, this lower end or this part of the matrix where these gods exist, Um, is a very, very low vibrational state of being, a frequency band.
	And it's like radio stations and television stations in the analog system.
	If you're going to absorb energy, then you have to absorb it within the frequency band that you're operating.
	Because if you're not, then the energy will pass through you like two radio stations pass through each other without interference.
	You're going to absorb it.
	That energy has to be within your frequency band.
	And so the frequency band of this lower astral, of these gods, which will explain a lot about the state of our world, is the same frequencies that relate to low vibrational emotion, fear and terror being the major, major foundation one, depression, anxiety, all these resentment, hatred, all these low vibrational emotions.
	So the more that they can generate humans to create by their state of being, the more energy there is for them to absorb.
	And in a sacrifice ritual, they are particularly designed to generate maximum terror from the sacrifice.
	And when they talk about, in the ancient world, sacrificing young virgins to the gods, they were talking about children.
	And that's why, as I've found across the world, children are a major, major, uh, sacrifice that these, uh, sick beyond description, uh, people, um, sacrifice to the gods.
	Young virgins, exactly.
	And so as the sacrifice is feeling this terror, it's giving off these frequencies of terror.
	And these gods are absorbing them.
	Absorbing.
	Sucking.
	So when in the Matrix movie, when in the Matrix movie, Morpheus held up a battery and said the machines have turned humans into one of these.
	It was actually a profound truth because these gods feed off low vibrational human energy, emotional energy massively and thought energy.
	And so they have to keep us in a certain perceptual state too, so we keep generating that energy.
	So just to finish the point, the question was, so how does that relate to the Illuminati?
	Well, these gods, by their definition, are operating outside of the frequency band of our reality.
	So they can enter it, they can't stay for long, because there's a frequency incompatibility.
	So what they've set up in our reality is a vast network, now vast network, which I call the global cult, which is a global network of secret societies with an interlocking central leadership mission control.
	And the spider, I call it, that is in the shadows.
	You don't see the spider.
	You see the assets and the agents of the spider.
	You don't see the spider.
	Because they don't want us to see that.
	And that spider is essentially these gods in this other frequency reality, this other frequency band.
	And so this is how it works.
	You've got the spider and then if you just picture the world with a vast spider's web around it, And all these different strands of the web are different secret societies, semi-secret groups, or things that we experience in the world of the scene.
	Governments, government agencies, banking systems, Silicon Valley, World Health Organization.
	And the structure goes like this.
	You've got the spider, that's the god level, if you like, call themselves that.
	And then the strands in the web immediately around the spider, the inner circle, that's where the people really know what the game is, what's going on, and what the whole thing is all about.
	But you don't see them.
	A lot of those secret societies don't even have names because it makes them harder to track.
	And as you come out from the spider, you're now meeting the secret societies that we do know about.
	The Freemasons.
	And I'm not talking about Bill and Joe down the lot.
	I'm talking about the core, right?
	The rest of the Freemason hierarchy.
	The vast majority of Freemasons in the world are on the bottom three levels of degree.
	They are basically used as the cover for the inner circle.
	And then you've got the Knights Templar, the Knights of Malta, the inner core of the Jesuit Order, the Opus Dei, etc.
	And they are fiercely compartmentalized.
	They have degrees.
	Degrees of what?
	Knowledge.
	So it's only the inner circle that know about the spider and the agenda and most of the
	others do not. The more you come out down the hierarchy the less they know. And so you're still
	in the hidden but then you meet in this web what I call the cusp.
	And these are a group of organizations whose job it is to take the agenda for humanity from the hidden and play it out into the world of the seen.
	So these cusp organizations will include the Council on Foreign Relations in America, the Bilderberg Group, The club of Rome that was created by this cult in 1968 specifically to exploit environmental concerns to justify the centralization of global power, exactly what we're seeing now with the climate change situation.
	And you also see in this cusp this massive explosion of non-governmental organizations and what they call think
	tanks.
	And their job, and most of them will not know about, well, overwhelmingly most of them will not know about the
	spider, but it's all compartmentalized.
	But their job is to take the agenda from the hidden, to play it out in the world of the scene.
	So in the world of the scene, you see governments, government agencies, Silicon Valley,
	all the rest of it.
	And to us, observing the world, they all seem random and they all seem unconnected.
	But this is the point that opens the world up.
	You go deep enough in these organizations, I don't care if it's Facebook or Google or YouTube or governments or health networks, whatever.
	If you go deep enough into them, you meet that point in those organizations where they meet the web.
	And this web is the coordinating force that gets all of them, while they seem random in and of themselves, to work as one unit to this end.
	So I'll give you two quick examples.
	When the Big C appeared out of China, or at least the story of it did, The World Health Organization, which was created by the Rockefeller family in 1948, and is now run by Bill Gates, who is a Rockefeller go-fer.
	Great guy.
	Great guy.
	And eventually connect, according to some.
	Oh, I'm sure.
	The World Health Organization set out the narrative, this is what it is, and this is how you must all react to it.
	At that time, If you remember, Silicon Valley platforms like Facebook and YouTube and so on were saying, we're going to censor postings and videos that challenge the World Health Organization version of events.
	Now, from a everything is random and unconnected point of view, you'd look at that and say, well, hold on a minute.
	You're supposed to be the town square, open debate, but you're saying right at the start you're going to censor anyone that challenges the World Health Organization's virtual events.
	From a random point of view, that's unexplainable, but from a web point of view, it's perfectly explained.
	As I show in the books in great detail, Facebook and Google, et cetera, are not just controlled by this cult, they were created by them.
	You look at their background and where they came from, nevermind the cover story, look at the real story.
	And so what you've got with the World Health Organization, created by the cult through the Rockefellers, and why to control Global health policy from a single point.
	That's why centralization of power has gone on, century after century, and getting faster and faster and faster, because the more you centralize power, the fewer people have the power over more and more people.
	This is how the cult operates.
	So what you've got in that situation I've just described, is the World Health Organization putting out the agenda that the cult wants people to believe, and the response that the cult wants people, governments etc, to have.
	And you've got the World Health Organization, a cult entity.
	And then you've got Silicon Valley, another cult entity, censoring on behalf of the World Health Organization narrative, so the cult narrative is the one that prevails.
	And then there's another example, and it's a very sinister one.
	That's sinister enough.
	But the big pharma cartel that has produced these big C vaccines that are not the vaccines by any criteria except they had to change this criteria of what a vaccine is to fit this because they're not a vaccine in the normal description of a vaccine.
	But the Big Pharma cartel, now through Pfizer and Moderna, et cetera, was created by the Rockefellers, same people that created the World Health Organization, through J.D.
	Rockefeller.
	And that expanded into the Big Pharma cartel that we see today.
	Now, when you're someone like me and you kind of see how it works, you know that when Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, whoever, Go to the CDC or the FDA in America, the so-called regulators of Big Pharma.
	Sure.
	And they ask permission to use their fake vaccine on younger and younger people.
	You know they're going to get it.
	And we have an organization, the equivalent of the CDC in Britain, called the MHRA.
	And you know that when these characters from Big Pharma go to the MHRA, they're going to get permission for whatever they want, and the same around the world.
	And that's like, well, hold on a minute.
	These regulatory agencies are supposed to protect the public from Big Pharma, right?
	Yeah.
	So why do they never push them back?
	Why?
	Because the cult created Big Pharma and the cult owns the regulatory agencies, which means one arm of the cult gives permission to another arm of the cult to advance the cult agenda of putting this absolute toxic shite, synthetic genetic material and nanotechnology into as many people as it can.
	And this isn't the first time.
	Realize how this actually works.
	The world becomes an open book.
	Yeah, and you make a great point because, you know, you'll hear people say, how can Pfizer or Merck go into court, you know, two million people dead from Oxycontin because they lied about the addictiveness, the arthritis drug that they really killed a lot of people.
	Here's $20 billion, even though they made $400 billion on the drug.
	Here's $20 billion and they go make another one.
	One thing you had said that I want to go back to real quick, if it's okay, with the spider.
	So with the spider and the simulation, the way I can make it maybe simple to myself would be when we see in a simulation these ice ages that we know have happened, you know, there's factual proof of at least seven.
	Would you say that that would be equivalent to, say, on the Nintendo?
	Okay, like, this is a bad copy right now.
	The hierarchy, the spider, A or B. It's not good enough, boom, hits reset.
	There's the Ice Age.
	Because everybody has glasses on, and we just think that that's normal, and the hierarchy, the higher level, this is too bad of a copy, going too wild, boom, reset.
	And then another question within that.
	My ex-wife, for some reason, whenever we would go out, she had this, I think the word's called, aurora.
	Like, she would just know.
	She would sense other people.
	This is a bad person.
	Go this way.
	Tommy, stay away from this.
	Don't go there.
	She had that aurora where she just knew.
	And I hated it because she was always right.
	I could never be wrong.
	She'd say, Tommy, this is a bad idea.
	And little and behold, it was a bad idea.
	It just had that aurora that I've never seen.
	Just go into a room and she could just pick out this, that, this, that, boom, boom, boom.
	And I think that would relate to what you're saying that maybe that nut at the time, you know, she was at that frequency level where she could interpret things at a different level than I could at the
	time or someone else because she was right.
	Yeah, well, I can talk about both things, but let's talk about the second thing first, because
	again, it's real simple. The more you focus your attention on the five senses,
	the more you become desensitized from your other senses.
	Because, you know, we see a body, but actually the body is a projection, a holographic projection of an information field.
	And so we have an electromagnetic field, some people call the aura, And if you focus attention on the five senses alone, you disconnect, withdraw from the sensitivity of your electromagnetic field.
	But other people, and the person you've described obviously is one of them, retain that sensitivity.
	So, And this is a very, very, very important area.
	So I'm laughing and I'm a joking and I'm a nice guy.
	Hey, how are you doing?
	Nice to see you.
	Yeah.
	All that stuff.
	Right.
	You see that with politicians.
	So their face is doing one thing and they're bon ami.
	And they can hide themselves if they're skilled at that.
	And these people have serious amount of lessons to do that on the inside.
	But they can't hide their field, because their field is an amalgamation of the frequencies they're giving off.
	So if they are deeply unpleasant, sinister, psychopathic people, they can, ah, how are you doing?
	But they can't hide the frequency.
	They can't.
	And some can pick up on it.
	Like someone you were talking about, they walk into a room, Now, if they were a five cents only person, they'd see the Bon Ami.
	Oh, he's such a nice man, he is!
	But the sensitive people, they're picking up the energetic field.
	And it doesn't matter what their face is doing.
	They're picking up the real them.
	And therefore, they say, oh, that person, look, stay away from that person.
	Or they'll be walking down the street and they'll be, because everything is frequency.
	You know, if someone's hiding behind a wall or something to attack you, the frequency that they're going to do that and the nature of who they are is being projected by their field.
	Now, if you are only a five sense person, you won't pick that up.
	But if you are a sensitive and energetically sensitive person, and by the way, that's how we're supposed to be.
	The world, the manipulated world, has taken that from people.
	This is why you get people that live lives away from, you know, Western society.
	And indeed, you know, Western society is now global society, really.
	You'll find they're far more sensitive to these things because they've not been desensitized.
	Going through school is a desensitization program.
	That's one of the major reasons it's there for, to withdraw you from these natural sensitivities.
	But someone who is sensitive would pick up what's coming off whoever is planning something unpleasant, and they'd say, don't let's go down this way, let's go this way.
	Because they're picking it up.
	They might not know, oh, there's a man around there and he's going to do this, but they're picking up the vibe and they think, oh, no.
	And this is what's happening all the time.
	So, you know, you go into a house that's where there's been a lot of really horrible things happen, like some big mansion or something.
	And you feel, oh, it's horrible in here because you're picking up the frequency.
	That is just vibrating there of all the things that have happened and all the sinister people that have been there.
	This is a completely different level of interacting with the world.
	This cult and this demonic realm doesn't want us to have those sensitivities because you start to suss the world.
	It wants us here, desensitized and withdrawn from the world and stuck only in the five senses, which means only In the simulation, only in the matrix, which they control.
	And in terms of, um, uh, the, uh, what was, what was the other point?
	A reset, a reset, the times.
	Yeah.
	The reset.
	Well, I wrote a book, uh, came out in 2010 called Tales from the Time Loop.
	And I was exploring, looking at the evidence of the fact that this simulation that I talk about was actually a time loop and actually goes around in a loop.
	So, if you think about it, we come in, say there is a loop and it resets and then the loop starts again, right?
	Well, excuse me, if you only come in for, what, the biblical three school years of 10 or whatever, you are only experiencing a section of the time loop.
	So to you, you've moved from past through present to future.
	But if you stayed in the loop for the entirety of the loop, You'd actually come around to where the whole thing started again.
	And I think that there is a part of that.
	And that time loop may also have implications for what you mentioned earlier.
	Deja vu.
	And so this reality that we're experiencing is just so different, so fundamentally different and so much greater Vastness than what we think we're experiencing.
	But what we think we're experiencing is what we're supposed to experience to keep us asleep and to keep us in ignorance.
	And just on that point, this again comes to this cult.
	We live in two worlds.
	Within one world, within one reality, we live in two worlds.
	There's the world of the cult, the secret society global network, and there's the world of the population.
	Now, what this cult knows, the inner core of it, like I say, not Bill and Joe down the lodge, they know what reality is.
	They know about the simulation.
	They serve the simulation and that behind the simulation.
	What they don't want is for us to So what happens with the cult is chosen people are brought into the cult.
	This is why it operates in so many ways in families and generations through families to keep it isolated.
	They pass on this knowledge from generation to generation.
	Plus the fact they've got this connection up to the gods that feeds them information.
	Now the population is in this other world.
	And this is a world that's been created by the cult to keep the population in ignorance.
	So, who was behind the creation of the education system in America?
	The Rockefellers, J.D.
	Rockefeller and so on.
	And the idea is that you control, and we're seeing this more and more now, hysterically now, censorship going crazy.
	You control the information that the population, the target population receive.
	about reality, about the nature of the self, the I, about the nature of the world and world events, and you make sure that they stay in that information bubble.
	That information bubble leads to what?
	Their perceptual bubble, which comes from the information they receive.
	And over here, the cult is passing on advanced information, advanced knowledge through the generations.
	So you've got this massive discrepancy and advantage between those that have advanced knowledge and the population which doesn't.
	And what people like me are doing is uncovering the information that this cult knows and giving it to the population.
	Of course, when you do that, Most of the population that's in the bubble think you're crazy or mad or dangerous.
	And it's like when Morpheus in the Matrix was walking down with Neo down the street and he talked about, you know, Freeing minds.
	And he said some minds are so inert, so dependent upon the system, that they will fight to protect it.
	And that's what happens.
	They will.
	You've got the population, not all the population, a lot less now after the last two and a half years, but a lot of the population, most of the population, will defend the very prison state that's enslaving them.
	And defend that which is enslaving them.
	And so when you look at things like Black Lives Matter, which is not about black lives, it's about dividing and ruling the population down the fault lines of race, which are just labels and irrelevant to consciousness.
	We're all the same consciousness.
	This is why BLM is funded by billionaires.
	You know, when I was growing up, the so-called left in politics, and that's where I grew up in the left in politics.
	And that's what my, you know, my family was.
	They boys were left-leaning politically.
	Yeah, mine too.
	But in those days, the left was challenging power.
	They were challenging the power and influence of what were then the millionaires, not the billionaires.
	And they were challenging injustice and they were demanding freedom of speech.
	And now the left, which has been inverted, is in bed with billionaires of the cult to take away freedom of speech, to not challenge billionaires but to venerate them.
	And there's been this massive shift.
	And so you've got what's called the woke mentality, which has all been manipulated by the education system, which the cult controlled.
	They are the foot soldiers of the cult.
	And they, apart from one or two of them, they won't even know there is a cult.
	They're completely programmed to push for what the cult wants, while ironically thinking they're anti-system and anti-establishment, which always makes me laugh.
	And so what are they doing?
	They're so Inert, so dependent upon the system, mesmerized by the system, programmed by the system, that they will fight to protect the system while thinking they're trying to change the system, which they're not.
	They're just playing out the cult script without realizing there is a cult or is a script.
	And it reminds me of China with the Democrats.
	Like, these billionaires came in, oh, you want to run for president?
	Sure.
	Here's $100 million.
	Here's $150 million.
	No interest.
	No interest.
	Two, three years later, hey, remember that favor I did?
	I don't want the money back, but this law that you're going to put in, this sanction, remember that $150 million I gave you?
	It's kind of like that with what you're saying with this.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	The correlation between the two.
	The money comes in, now everything changes.
	Bought out.
	You know, now there's no choice, just like China does, with everybody.
	Or a lot of people.
	Yeah, well, China, you see, is the blueprint.
	The thing about this cult, it doesn't have borders.
	Borders are for the population.
	In fact, one of the cult agendas is to have no borders, to get rid of countries.
	That's why it's dismantling American society now.
	It's bad.
	And changing demographic through opening the southern border.
	Countries are supposed to not exist.
	They should just be administrative units, like something out of the Hunger Games is all that's planned.
	Everything is going to come from the global center.
	That's what they want.
	And so the Mao Revolution in China was a cult revolution, and it was to create a closed society within which a system of total human control, not least through technology, Could be incubated and developed.
	And once it was incubated and developed, it will be played out across the world as the global system.
	And of course, in the last two and a half years, what has the West become more and more like?
	Well, China, of course.
	It's the blueprint.
	So I've said for years and years and years, if you want to see what's planned for the West tomorrow, look at China today.
	You have.
	So now in China, they have this so-called zero COVID policy.
	Which is obviously, from a health point of view, utterly insane, but that's not why it's there, of course.
	So, you have these QR codes, and you can't do anything unless you have your informations right on the QR code.
	You can't do anything.
	I don't know whether you saw it, a few, about two weeks ago, there was this amazing kind of footage that came out of China, where there's all these cars lined up in like a traffic jam, waiting to go through a checkpoint or something.
	And this drone comes over and it's picking up the QR codes in the cars.
	Wow.
	And if you don't have the right one, then you can't go any further.
	And so this is the world that they're moving towards because the idea is to move from manipulating perception by controlling information to the perception coming direct.
	This is where it's moving.
	And that is the whole background to people like Ray Kurzweil, the Google executive, who says that by 2030, we'll start to have artificial intelligence connected to the human mind, the human brain.
	And in his words, not mine, once that connection is made, AI will do more and more of human thinking until eventually
	human thinking as we know it today will be negligible and that's the reason why they want to
	connect the human brain to AI.
	Because then we become a hive mind of AI, or more to the point, a hive mind of that which controls AI.
	Which you wrote about about 15 years ago.
	You wrote about this.
	You wrote about this 15 years ago.
	I called it the assimilation.
	Yeah, I call it the simulation, the absorption of human consciousness into AI.
	And then there's this other question.
	What is AI?
	What is it ultimately?
	Oh yes, it's algorithms on one level.
	Then you have another level of AI which learns from data it receives and absorbs.
	But that's in this reality.
	What really is it?
	That's in our blinded reality.
	What really is it?
	You are absolutely right.
	It's in our reality.
	What is ultimately AI?
	I say it's this non-human force operating outside of human sight.
	A higher being, whatever you want to call it.
	Yeah, whatever you want to call it.
	So it will then be delivering en masse The perceptions of humans, that is the ultimate total control.
	So if you look at the metaverse and the concept of the metaverse, okay, you start out, we are an expression of infinite awareness.
	All that is, has been and ever can be.
	You have a layer which disconnects people from that and gives them a fake reality called the simulation.
	You then create the cloud, which is a technologically generated sub-reality.
	That's what I called it decades ago, that was coming, if we didn't stop it, is the technologically generated sub-reality.
	They're now called the smart grid.
	That's why everything's called smart.
	It's all part of the same grid.
	Now, the metaverse is a layer of perceptional enslavement, even beyond the smart grid.
	In fact, The smart grid with its 5G, 6G, 7G to come, makes possible the metaverse.
	And the idea is they're pulling you in more and more from there.
	Simulation, smart grid, metaverse.
	Myopic, continuing myopia of self-identity, until you're in a maze within a maze within a maze, which is the idea.
	And where do you start to get out of that?
	So, this is why it's so important, it's vital, it's fundamental, it's foundation, that we continue or Revise our self-identity to hold the understanding that we are consciousness and everything else is an experience and an illusion.
	Consciousness is the true I and it is the true reality.
	And so, if you lose that, you start getting pulled in.
	And the equivalent of that is this.
	From All worlds 1984.
	2 plus 2 equals 4.
	2 plus 2 equals 4.
	I am all that is, has been and ever can be having an experience.
	I am infinite consciousness.
	2 and 2 equals 5.
	Simulation.
	2 and 2 equals 58.
	Smart grid.
	2 and 2 equals 58, smart grid.
	2 and 2 equals 2,450, metaverse.
	And so it goes on.
	So, this is why, if you look at the world, it's full of demands that we believe utter nonsense.
	The equivalent of 2 and 2 equals 5.
	All of it.
	Biological men and women, that doesn't really exist.
	Well, it actually does.
	2 and 2 equals 4, okay?
	Thank you.
	And all these other nonsenses that we're told to believe in.
	You've got to hold this.
	2 and 2 equals 4.
	And I'm not compromising on it.
	And fundamental to that is self-identity.
	And the self-identity with consciousness.
	Not the illusions and the diversions and the mazes of this crazy world that's been created to enslave us.
	And enslave what?
	Enslave our perception.
	That's a great point.
	2 plus 2 equals 4.
	Says who?
	So what is time then?
	Because in this reality, we know time as it takes 24 hours for the earth to go around the sun.
	So that's what we see as time.
	But what really is time?
	Well, it doesn't exist.
	It's a perception.
	It's a perception.
	And it's a perception of the matrix.
	The matrix gives us the illusion of time.
	It gives us the illusion of time passing from past through present to future.
	So in the infinite level, the true reality, the prime reality, there is no time.
	Within the simulation, there is the illusion of time.
	And Einstein talked about the illusion of time.
	And he talked about, this is not word for word, but it's a paraphrase, that if you've got your feet
	got you a...
	your finger in a saucepan of boiling water, time seems to pass very slowly.
	And in his words, if you're with a beautiful woman, time seems to pass very quickly.
	Because time's a perception.
	So his is a great example.
	Put it into perspective.
	Great example.
	Okay, so Tesla said that too.
	There is only, Tesla had only the,
	Sorry.
	Yeah, there's only the, now.
	The now is the only existence and it's the no-time now and the all-time now.
	It's the all-encompassing everything now.
	The now is the only point where anything can be changed or done.
	Everything else is an illusion.
	I'll give you an example.
	So where are people when they think of the past?
	They're in the now.
	Where are they when they worry about or think about the future?
	They're in the now.
	Where were they when they experienced the past?
	They were in the now.
	Where will they be when they experience what they call the future and it becomes what?
	The now.
	Everything happens in the now.
	The perception of past and future is an illusion, and it's an illusion that can pull us out of the now, and therefore pull us out of the power to impact upon the now.
	And what pulls us into the past is regret, resentment, if only, and in the future it's worry, and prices, and food prices, and energy prices, and what about the kids?
	And but the only place that any difference can be made because the only existence is the now.
	And it's the illusion of time is a massive controlling force.
	Time is A perception that controls everything, if you like.
	It's every time.
	What's the time?
	Got to be there.
	What's the time?
	Oh yeah, all time's going slow today.
	All time's going fast today.
	Time, time, time, time, all time.
	You notice I don't wear a watch.
	Good for you.
	I try to interact with the illusion of time as little as possible.
	That's why I don't wear a watch.
	I haven't worn one for decades.
	So, yeah, time is a controlling concept of the simulation, not of infinite reality.
	And one thing that I never understood, as I was reading a lot about you, when you would mention reptile, reptilial, however you want to say it, all of the drawings that we found from the ancient past, What do they look like?
	What do the drawings look like in the caves on the stones?
	What do you think they just came up with that?
	Like these drawings that look like a human with a dinosaur head on top of it.
	Like where do you think they got these ideas from?
	So when you had talked a lot about reptilian and so on and so forth, I don't understand why they ridiculed you.
	They must not have read anything about the history that we have, which isn't much, because when you go through history, you see reptilian shapes constantly.
	I mean, yeah, I know there was a bunch of psychedelics around, but, I mean, they're all over the place in scriptures, drawings, carvings, you name it.
	So therefore, I don't understand why there would be any ridicule, but I do because they're in that bubble that you speak of.
	Now, how does that relate to what I like with the Saturn and the rings and the Moon and the Moon being an amplifier for Saturn, right?
	And so on and so forth.
	Can you break that down for me?
	Well, in terms of the reptilians, I didn't go looking for it.
	It found me.
	I was traveling in America in 1996, and in a period of 15 days, I met 12 separate people in 12 separate locations, I was traveling every day, who told me the same story, that they had seen a human change into a reptilian form and then back again.
	And from that moment, again, the synchronicity of my life, I was meeting loads and loads of people all over the world telling me the same experience.
	And again, if you are coming from the normal perspective, the program normal that the cult has set up for humans, then you say, that's impossible.
	That's crazy, right?
	Hold on a second.
	If you say it's not possible to shift from a solid form to another solid form, then I'm the first to agree with you.
	But that's not what's happening.
	But because of the five-sense-centric humanity, it sees everything in terms of solidity and therefore sees limitation everywhere.
	So what is a shape-shift?
	Let's look at this.
	This non-human force, which absolutely takes a reptilian form, not only reptilian form by the way, no no, but it's a massive part of it, operating in this lower astral dimension just outside of our reality.
	That's right, that's right.
	I'm sorry, wouldn't you think, for anyone to think that other life would look just like us, wouldn't you think that would be just a mindless person who doesn't think?
	Being that the body, whether you're in a simulation or not, it would adapt to its environment, correct?
	Over time.
	Not every atmosphere is the same, so on and so forth.
	So for somebody to think that everybody looks like us is just, to me that's a person with an IQ of about minus 10.
	This is a fabulous point you raise because what I say to people is you can see a smear of 0.005% of what is said to exist in the universe.
	And therefore you're seeing a tiny fraction of reality.
	Look at the different human forms alone.
	Look at all the different animal forms.
	Look at the insect world.
	Look at the diversity of form in this tiny band of frequency that we call the human world.
	And then imagine the diversity of form that exists outside that tiny band of frequency.
	It's an excellent point.
	But again, it's this focus of attention, this myopia.
	Life as we know it can only exist if it looks like us.
	And so, you've got this reptilian and other forms, but the reptilians were a major one, in this non-human level of control.
	Which is why, as you point out, there are so many records of it through history, because, you know, they were interacting.
	They're there!
	They're factual.
	Factual.
	We can see it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So, and I've talked to people, Satanists, who've taken part in rituals and they say that these reptilians just appear in the ritual through the thinning out of the dimensions that the ritual creates.
	So, but okay, what is form?
	Form is holographic and a holographic form works just like the holograms that are created in the human world.
	So what they do when they create holograms is they create a frequency field version of whatever's being photographed holographically.
	And if you look at a holographic print, it's just as serious.
	In fact, it's very much like a close-up of the lines on the finger.
	That's not an accident either.
	And what happens is they then focus a laser, or what they call coherent light, at the holographic print and waveform print And what then happens, apparently, miraculously, is a three-dimensional version of whatever's been photographed is projected.
	And so the way that we create reality, this holographic world, is very much the same.
	So we are Picking up information from this frequency field turns it into electrical information, sends it to the brain, and the brain then creates this digital, which is where numerology comes from, reading reality through numbers and the mathematical level, because it's digital.
	One level of this reality, this matrix, is digital.
	That's where all that comes from.
	The digital becomes the holographic.
	And the holographic is illusory physical.
	It looks three-dimensional.
	And if you look at some of the best of the now digital, that's what they're creating now, digital holograms.
	They look as solid as you and me, but they're not.
	And so what's happening is you've got a frequency field And from that is projected, just like the holograms that humans make, a apparently three-dimensional reality, a three-dimensional form.
	So, these particular bloodlines, this is where royalty comes from and aristocracy.
	Why do these people interbreed incessantly with each other?
	Because they're holding basically a software program that relates to their bloodline, and what is their bloodline?
	It's a hybrid.
	Part of the field is human, and part of the field is non-human.
	And when they are infiltrating our world, they project the non-human, sorry, the human form.
	And so, what they're projecting is a field of information.
	The observer connects with that field of information visually, and through this process of electrical information holographic creation, that information field becomes a 3D holographic field.
	When you're looking at me now, my body is a three-dimensional holographic field, which people are turning a frequency field into what they see in here.
	So these hybrid bloodlines, they have two fields, one human, one non-human.
	So when the human field is being projected, that's the dominant one, which it is most of the time for obvious reasons.
	They don't want to know what's going on.
	Then anyone that sees them will decode their human field and they'll say, oh yeah, it's a human.
	What happens in these rituals, I've been given chapter and verse on it, And also, what can happen in times of really extreme emotion sometimes, is that the non-human field becomes the dominant one.
	There's a shift.
	And if you're observing, first of all, there's the human field, and you're seeing a human.
	And then the shift comes.
	Now, it's not a solid shift.
	It's not a physical shift, because there is no physical.
	It's an energetic information shift.
	But you as the observer are observing and decoding into reality the human field, and there's a shift, and suddenly you're now decoding the non-human field, say the reptilian field.
	And to you, the observer, someone has just shifted from a solid human form to a solid non-human form, Before your eyes, but that's not what's happened.
	There's been an energetic shift, and that's what shape-shifting is.
	And of course, you well know, you're obviously well-read, that shape-shifting is an ancient concept going way back.
	Way back.
	So you've got these hybrid bloodlines, and this is where royalty, and like I say, aristocracy, and all this stuff comes from.
	Because this hybrid bloodline, if it interbreeds within the general population, then this software program starts to be deleted.
	So it's not what it's supposed to be.
	This is why they interbreed with each other, because basically they are downloading software programs, information programs.
	that hold this hybrid bloodline. That's why you get so many people in royalty, aristocracy, the
	eastern establishment families of the United States that are, you know, same things, they're
	just in dark suits, not coronets, that they will have people that they have relationships with,
	and then they'll have their wives or their husbands.
	Because the wife-husband thing is about holding the software program for the next generation.
	Then they go away and often have what they really want to do with other people.
	And, you know, I wrote a lot about Princess Diana.
	I met her once a long time ago when I was at the BBC.
	But I read a lot about her, and I researched a lot about her, and I talked at great length to a person who knew her, was a very close friend, for nine years.
	And she was an esoteric thinker, this lady, and so was Diana, which is why they got such a great rapport.
	And I had been traveling around America, And it was in that period I mentioned earlier, where I met the 12 different people in 15 days who told me about seeing this shape-shifting phenomenon.
	And I'd just come back from America at this time.
	And long story short, a series of synchronistic things put me in contact with this lady, this friend of Diana.
	This is after Diana had died, or Lushen Long died.
	And so I'm talking to her and she came to see me to tell me about the appalling treatment of Diana by the British Royals, which is absolutely true.
	Why?
	Because Diana described herself as the Windsor's Broodmare and They needed her bloodline, the Spencer aristocratic bloodline, to interbreed with the Windsor bloodline, and so they brought her and Charles together.
	Charles didn't want to marry Diana, he wanted Camilla Parker Bowles, who he picked up later after Diana died, picked up again.
	But they needed the bloodline for the William etc.
	they've got now and on to the next generation.
	So anyway, this lady's talking to me about, I detail this in great detail, what this lady said in a book called The Biggest Secret, came out in 1998.
	And she was telling me about the way Diana was treated by the Windsors.
	And then she said to me, and I've got all this on one of those reel-to-reel old tapes at home.
	She said, you know what Diana used to call the Windsors?
	I said, no.
	The Royals, she said.
	I said, no.
	She said, you used to call them the reptiles or the lizards.
	And she used to say they're not human.
	So I play the idiot.
	I play the guy who knows nothing.
	I've just come back from America.
	I've just been hearing about all this stuff and now this lady's telling me about it.
	And I said, oh really?
	What's all that about?
	And so she starts telling me.
	She used to be a hands-on healer and etc.
	and a healer in other ways.
	Mostly otherwise.
	For other royals and lower levels of the royal aristocratic clan.
	And she said, oh yeah, you know the Windsors are hybrids.
	They're part human, part reptile, right?
	Oh really?
	That's so strange.
	I've never heard of that before.
	I've been hearing it for weeks in America.
	And she told me this story and I have also talked to someone who says she took part in rituals with the British Royal Family.
	I mean, satanic rituals, horrible rituals.
	He's given me chapter and verse.
	And again, that's in books that I've written describing what she talked about.
	So these things are real.
	And the fact that they are royal fits into the whole idea.
	What is royal?
	And then you've got this thing in royalty, haven't you?
	The divine right to rule.
	The divine right to rule.
	The divine right to rule because of what?
	Because of your bloodline.
	Now, it's not the divine, the infinite, it's the perception of the divine these people have, which are these entities, these gods.
	And it's the divine right of these gods to rule via these royal Hybrid, part human, part reptilian bloodlines.
	And that's what it's all about.
	And what happened is that there came a point, eventually, where the over-in-your-face control by royalty, which went on all over the world, humans reached a point of awakening where they weren't having that anymore.
	And so although bizarrely in 2022, we still have the head of state in Britain and not only Britain, but Canada and Australia and New Zealand is the British royal family.
	Most countries, they got rid of them because the people wouldn't have any.
	So what happened at that point is this cult representing these gods shifted control from over royal control to what we call politics and political parties.
	But it was a shift that actually was a very efficient perceptual manipulation shift, because when you were controlled by a king or queen who was head of state because of who's had sex with who, in what order in that family line, then you knew you were under the control of a tyranny, a dynastic tyranny, a bloodline tyranny.
	But when they moved to politics, they put the tyranny, the bloodline, into dark suits.
	So if you look at the way they structured it, most countries' governments are decided by The election of one of two parties.
	Sometimes it's three.
	There's the old coalition here, you know, across the world.
	But take America.
	You've got two parties, the Democrats and the Republicans.
	So this is how it works.
	You vote for party A, and they advance the cult agenda.
	And you don't like that.
	So you say, well, the next election I'm going to vote for party B, because I don't like party A, what they're doing.
	So you vote for party B. And party B advances the cult agenda.
	And you think, well, I don't like them either.
	So how do I get rid of them?
	Well, you've got to go back to party A. And this is how it works.
	I remember a very topical thing in Ukraine.
	I went to speak in Ukraine in 2010.
	And the president there was a guy called Viktor Yanukovych.
	Viktor Yanukovych was the guy who was thrown out of office in the Orange Revolution in Ukraine in 2004, I think it was.
	They threw him out.
	And they put another guy in.
	Orange Revolution, yeah, voice of the people.
	Actually manipulated in the United States, actually.
	Then they didn't like the guy they put in, and what he did.
	And they, to get rid of him, they had to go back to the other party, which was still headed by Viktor Yanukovych, the guy they threw out the revolution.
	So they voted him back in!
	They voted him back in!
	And he was the guy who was thrown out in the next revolution, who's now in Russia, And they brought in this guy Poroshenko, a total US puppet, cult puppet in other words, and now we've got this Zelensky, and ditto.
	And dirty.
	But yeah, that was a classic example of how they fix politics so you're not voting for the person, you're not voting for the moral or Genuineness of the person.
	You're voting for the rosette.
	You're voting for the party.
	And, you know, when I look at America and I think, oh, this judge has made this decision.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	The judge is a Democrat.
	What?
	What do you mean the judge is a Democrat?
	He's a bloody judge!
	Shouldn't the judge be... Well, it's political.
	It should not make any difference at all.
	No, the judge... Everything's Democrat.
	Yeah, it is.
	A hundred percent.
	But this is how it works.
	You've got... And this is the same in every country, certainly.
	True in mine.
	You've got Democrats, Republicans, right?
	And so people are choosing between these two.
	Go one step back into the shadows and both of the parties are controlled by the same people.
	So it doesn't matter if it's a Republican president or a Democratic president, the agenda still unfolds.
	Now, under the Democrats, it's easier because they just do it.
	under the Republicans, it's a bit more difficult. They still do it, but it's a bit more difficult
	because there's people in the Republican Party, unlike the Democratic Party, who are pushing
	back on this co-agenda. They don't even know it's a co-agenda, probably, but they're pushing back
	on what's happening. So it's a bit more difficult, but they still have the same direction the world
	goes into.
	And this is how they've done it.
	But because people have this illusion of a vote every four or five years, they think they are choosing the government.
	They're not.
	Government's being chosen for them.
	You mentioned it earlier.
	How do you become President of the United States?
	You've got to attract cuckoo land amounts of money.
	Where's that coming from?
	The cult sources.
	They own the President.
	Whoever it is, doesn't matter if it's Trump, doesn't matter if it's Biden, they own the President.
	They own the Prime Minister in Britain.
	Same thing.
	This is how it works.
	And then, would you say that with the glasses and the metaverse and then the holograms, they had an Elvis concert here in Fort Lauderdale in Florida, and they had Elvis come up as a hologram.
	And really, I mean, you could kind of tell it was a hologram, but point being, is the cat, if you look at it from a perspective that you have been forever, and that I have been for at least the last 10 or 15 years, you say the cat's kind of out of the box.
	Because if you can make a hologram like that, With our peanut minds in this reality, and then you have the metaverse, which is basically the simulation we're living in now.
	It's just the simulation is way better, okay?
	The cat's out of the box.
	But what about the animals?
	Because if you think about it, animals, if they could look at us, they would say, these people can't hear, they can't see, they suck other than that they have a brain.
	Where do animals fit into this whole equation?
	Where do they land?
	Well, first of all, animals, because they don't go to school and go to university and watch CNN, they retain sensitivity with the field.
	So you look at so-called mysteries, they're not.
	Where animals respond before an earthquake or before a storm.
	And humans only know there's an earthquake or a storm when it happens and they can see it.
	The five senses see it.
	Well, that's because as a storm or an earthquake is building, Changes taking place in the field, in the electromagnetic field.
	In the frequencies, too.
	Yeah, in the frequency, exactly.
	And so the animals, because they're sensitive, are picking this up and they're responding to it.
	This is why they know something's coming before other people do.
	And what is intuition or, you know, seeing the future and all this stuff?
	It's picking up changes in the field and information in the field that give you that perspective.
	So, if you look at animals and then you look at humans, apart from the sensitivity of the animals, you're looking at a similar situation, really.
	Why are humans human?
	Why do humans act like humans?
	Because the vehicle is programmed to act like a human.
	Why does an elephant act like an elephant and not like a duck?
	Why does a duck act like a duck?
	Because the vehicle is programmed to act like a duck.
	So consciousness is coming into these vehicles and if you don't use consciousness to override the program, then the program running through the vehicle will dictate your life.
	It would dictate everything.
	And this is one of the things I noticed as I've traveled around the world.
	It doesn't matter what the culture, doesn't matter the background or the religious background or any of it.
	If certain things happen, it's like pressing enter.
	Everyone reacts the same.
	Because the program is there, The constant program, that's why people react the same.
	You can only override that everyone reacts the same program if you are coming from a point of consciousness that overrides the program.
	So, with animals too, they're following a program.
	That's why all these different animals, they act the same way.
	What they have, however, on most humans, is the energetic sensitivity with the field, which gives them a greater insight into what's happening.
	And also, you know, you look at cats, you know, a lot of animals can see further into the field than visible light, human visible light.
	And therefore, you know, you'll be in a room and the cat will be reacting to what to you is empty space.
	And you'll say, what's wrong with the cat?
	Well, stop it.
	There's nothing there.
	But to the cat there is.
	They're seeing something that you can't see.
	Or when the dog barks.
	Or when the dog barks all the time.
	Yeah, exactly!
	Dogs too!
	And you know how many times that you'll get a sinister place and the dog won't go in there?
	Yeah.
	Because they're sensitive to it.
	They're sensitive to that energy and they can probably see what we can't see, but cats certainly can.
	And so in this room that I'm standing in, or sitting in now, are all the other realities.
	So what are ghosts?
	Ghosts are simply entities that enter close enough into our reality for us to see them.
	It's a form of interference.
	It's a form of visual interference.
	Like two radio stations interfering with each other.
	You get one dominant station and then you get the less dominant one that's interfering.
	Well, that's the ghost, visually.
	In this reality.
	They're all around us.
	It's just we can't see them and we're not sensitive to them.
	In this reality.
	In this reality, that's what we're seeing.
	Like, we think we see a ghost in this reality, right?
	Yeah, but that's just what the ghost has done, what we call ghosts, what the entity has done, is enter our visual frequency range.
	But most of the time, not always, but most of the time, they look ethereal.
	Because they're in our reality, but they're not completely in our reality.
	They're like, say, a form of interference, where they're just enough that you can see them, but because they're not in this reality and in the frequency of this reality completely, they look ethereal.
	If you could go into the reality that they're in, they'd look as solid as you and me, because the frequency range of them and you would be compatible, therefore they would look solid.
	That's how it works.
	I notice you have other plans I don't want to take advantage of because I definitely want to do a part two.
	Yeah.
	But anybody who listens to this for two hours and can't make sense of it, it's so simple.
	Especially when you go back to, everybody knows.
	You hear your dog bark and you yell at it.
	What are you barking at?
	Stop it.
	You're going to wake up the kid.
	Whatever.
	No.
	It sees, it feels frequencies that you just can't feel because it's desensitized.
	Right?
	Exactly.
	Or it's where we're fed all this BS, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and on and on and on.
	Amazing.
	Last question.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Last question, because I definitely want to, there's a lot to go through.
	And then, you know, we'll have all your websites, the books, your new book that came out.
	And anyone listening to this, watching this, you have to read the books because they're from the 90s. 90.
	2003, everything going on today with the gender, the religion, the division at an all-time high, the censorship.
	You had talked about in the late 90s when censorship wasn't even a word, I don't think.
	Yeah.
	So, with these... Yeah, because there was a plan there.
	With these UFO sightings that they're all of a sudden showing us, to me, I go back and forth, you know, because I'm very into it.
	So I go back and forth.
	Part of me says it's military.
	The other part says UFO.
	For today, I'm on the military.
	And the reason why is because when I dissect those videos, when I dissect them, If I see something go from 30,000 feet to down in the ocean, I'm not going to be in that cockpit with my other co-pilot and be like, oh, that looks like a cute white lifesaver.
	Or did you see that?
	The first thing I would do would be I would be calling back to base saying, hey, look, I don't know what the hell this thing is.
	I don't know if it's armed.
	There's no sense of fear.
	There's no nothing in any of these.
	So in this reality, in this perception, what do you think that is?
	Do you think that's military in this current reality?
	Because we're pretty much on the brink of a possible war.
	And in history, whenever there's a war, whoever you may be going up against says, hey, before you do that, look what I have.
	Look, look, this is a taste of what you might deal with.
	I mean, that's what's happened in the past.
	Yeah, I looked at the whole UFO thing way back in the 1990s when I was traveling around America constantly.
	Talked to a lot of whistleblowers, a lot of insiders, a lot of military insiders, and it was very clear then that the American military, probably not only the American military either, but certainly them, they have what we call flying saucers.
	Yeah, Bob Lazar.
	It's an anti-gravity.
	Yeah, Bob Lazar.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's an anti-gravity technology, and it's a technology that's perfectly able to be created by humans.
	But there are other technologies and, you know, much, much, much more advanced that will be non-human.
	And, you know, you've got these underground bases called DUMs, Deep Underground Military Bases.
	all over America, indeed all over the world.
	That's Pine Gap, for instance, in Australia.
	Australia.
	And the lower, they go right, miles down some of them into the ground, into the earth.
	And they're on different levels.
	And to go down each lower level, you need a higher security clearance.
	And, you know, I've talked to people and there have been various revelations by people at whistleblowers from time to time.
	about what goes on in the lower levels of these underground military bases.
	And they talk about a place, a level where they interact, these non-human entities like reptilians, etc.
	interact with human scientists and what have you.
	And, you know, this technology that's coming out, I've made this point so often over the years, you know, There's never a point where people are sitting around a table, strumming their fingers, thinking, OK, well, we've got to sit around and wait for some geek in a garage in Silicon Valley to develop the next level of the technology we need to impose this control system.
	No, it just rolls out.
	It rolls out faster and faster and faster.
	Because it's coming out of these deep underground military bases.
	And that makes sense.
	Your Microsofts and your… Mr. Ike, that makes sense.
	That's why it goes into the ocean.
	It goes into the ocean to go over to… There you go.
	Your Microsofts and your big software computer companies are just cover stories, as are your Bill Gates's and people like that, to get the technology out of the underground bases into human society without people realizing where it's really come from.
	And this is what's happening.
	And so the technology of a flying saucer, that physical flying saucer, is absolutely human.
	And much more advanced ones, there'll be the non-human.
	And there was a Something I came across in the 1990s, which I wrote about, which was revealed by a Canadian journalist called Serge Monas, of a plan, a project, called Project Bluebeam, to fake an alien invasion
	To justify the centralization of global power.
	You remember Ronald Reagan said at one point that if there was an invasion from outside, we'd all come together, wouldn't we?
	He was talking about the situation with Russia and the West.
	And if you want to justify centralization of power, then say we've got to do that globally to meet the threat from outside, any threat from outside.
	If you want to, I have this thing, I've been, this phrase I've been using since the 1990s, problem, reaction, solution.
	You want to change society, but you know if you just change it, you'll get big pushback.
	So you first of all create a problem or the illusion.
	You get the public to say, do something about the problem.
	And then you openly offer the solutions to the problems you've created, which are advancing your agenda further down the road in a way you'd never have got away with without creating the problem or the illusion.
	And if you want a global solution to globalize the world, centralized global world, then you need global problems.
	So you need global warming.
	You need global COVID.
	You need global attack from outside by extraterrestrials.
	The point is, the extraterrestrials are not coming.
	They're already here.
	And they're in the positions of power around the world.
	That's the revelation.
	Have you read anything from Dr. Greg Nolan?
	He was a... Maybe over the years, but I've read so bloody much.
	I have to run this by just really fast.
	So he's the top blood doctor in the world.
	Out of nowhere, the DEA comes in, Secret Service, whatever, big government officials.
	They come in.
	He thinks it's a prank.
	They start showing him pictures of these saucers, so on and so forth.
	He thinks his buddies in the office are pranking him because he's a blood doctor.
	He doesn't do stuff like this.
	So as the pictures are coming across by these suits, one picture was somebody dead.
	And that took his attention.
	So then he starts looking and starts realizing that in this reality that they're not pranking him.
	They give him a thousand cases, and what he says is that, you know, these people see the UFOs, okay, he's a kook, he's a kook, he's a kook, but once that kook box gets too high, then somebody does something, or if there's a death, or so on.
	So they give him all this information, so now he gets into it.
	So he narrows it down to 100 of those 1,000 sightings, goes and interviews all 100, narrows it down to 30.
	Every one of those 30 that had gotten too close to the UFO, the drone that we made that we're just not telling anybody, they had a ton of white matter in their brain.
	And one person that had stated that they had touched it, Had died, but they had the body and he did the research and it seemed that as if if you got too close to it, it fried part of your brain and that's what the white matter was from.
	No different than if I walk behind a jet engine as it's about to take off, I'm going to get fried.
	You're going to be talking to me in a flame suit, right?
	I just wonder what your take is on that, with that situation in this reality.
	And again, I always resort back to, and you made a very good point earlier, why now all of a sudden?
	To deflect?
	To divide?
	You know, what else?
	Yeah, well anything that generates a powerful enough electromagnetic field is going to impact on the human electromagnetic field, the brain, which is electrical and electromagnetic in nature.
	It's going to have that effect.
	It's like being caught in a laser or something.
	And the point you make there is an interesting one and I've made it myself.
	I remember the 1990s traveling around America.
	And when you were talking about UFOs, the official response was weather balloons, nonsense,
	figment of the imagination, or it can be easily explained.
	Yeah. Yeah. And now suddenly, in the last two years, really, they've started putting it
	in front of your face and taking it seriously and saying, oh, these are crafted doing things we
	don't understand.
	And, you know, I've said many times, we've got to be streetwise here and not just fall for the idea that things we can't explain are necessarily non-human.
	Because one of the greatest ways of Controlling the perception of humans is to control their sense of the possible.
	So if you can, through this cult and all its deep state, deep state, that's the cult, an expression of it, through these networks, you hoard knowledge and deeply compartmentalized technology and possibility from the public.
	So when you use it, the public either dismiss the fact it's possible, because they don't think it is, they've never experienced that it is, unlike the cold, or they think non-human extraterrestrial when actually it's a terrestrial technology that's just been kept from the people.
	So these are the questions and the street wiseness that people need, and the questioning.
	I mean, the point is this.
	If you look through human history, there's one thing that shouts out at you, and that is that authority lies.
	It's always lied.
	It's what it does.
	It imposes its will, not least through lying.
	So when authority tells you something, instead of just accepting it, Question it and ask this question, the key question.
	Who benefits from me believing what I'm being told to believe?
	And if the answer is anyone that wants to centralize power, censor or advance this agenda towards a world, non-elected world government of technocrats dictating to every community and controlling through AI, anything that Advances that if that's who benefits then you should be very very wary indeed because that's how it works
	And or deflect, right?
	Or deflect, if you're deflecting.
	You know, there's all kinds of stuff going on.
	What's the best way to ... What is the best possible way right now to deflect?
	It's UFOs, because everybody's going to go for it.
	Nobody's going to look at ... Even the top scientists will say, well, there's nothing on Earth like that, so it has to be a UFO.
	How do you know?
	How do you know?
	We don't know shit about history.
	That's the compartmentalization of science.
	Yeah.
	The compartmentalization of science is massive.
	Most scientists haven't got a clue what's possible.
	Not a clue, it's the inner core in the underground bases that know what's possible.
	Not your rank-and-file scientists.
	They'll dismiss something because they'll think actually it's not possible.
	Or they don't want to change what they wrote.
	Or they don't want to change what they wrote due to the ego.
	Yeah, that's another part of it as well.
	They don't want to admit that they were massively wrong about what they said about reality.
	So, yeah, it's a fascinating time, though, because it's... One of the things that was said to me through that psychic in 1990 is that all that's been hidden, or another one, actually, about the same time, All that's been hidden is going to be brought to the surface where it can be seen in my lifetime.
	So if you look at when that was said to me in 1990, there was no sign of any of that.
	All through the 90s and all that stuff.
	But what's happening now?
	I mean, what do we know now?
	Those that are interested enough to look.
	What we didn't know in 1990, 95, 2000, 2010, that we know now.
	More and more is coming to the surface.
	Exactly as I was told that it would.
	And now we have the decision to make.
	How are we going to respond to it?
	Are we going to stay on the sidelines?
	Are we just going to acquiesce?
	In which case this will complete its journey to total human control.
	Or are we going to not acquiesce?
	Because $8 billion cannot be controlled by a relative handful.
	That's what it is.
	Unless the $8 billion acquiesces to the handful.
	And that's what we must stop doing, and urgently so.
	I hope so.
	Well, I hope to get some more time with you, because I have a ton more to ask, but I just appreciate the time that you did give me, sir.
	Yeah, what's amazing is that, you know, we've talked for what?
	I don't know how long it must be.
	It's a long, long time.
	Almost three.
	And yet, in terms of what's in my books over the last 32 years and right up to present time, we've scratched the surface.
	Just to start.
	So there is a lot more to talk about.
	Oh, I got tons.
	I got tons.
	And let's go through everything, your websites, everything else.
	See, I gotta go down so much, because you were one that there was no way I could try to play the no-no game thing, where I could just remember everything.
	I'm not that good, so I had to have notes on this one.
	But we have your Gitter, it is real David Icke.
	All your books are on Twitter.
	Yeah, you say it all.
	Yeah, this is the point.
	This is the point.
	I'm banned from Twitter, and Elon Musk has just announced that, well, Elon Musk, Twitter has just announced, that it's not going to restore my account.
	They're not?
	I'm banned.
	Why?
	No, I'm banned from YouTube.
	Well, who knows?
	I'm telling the truth.
	I mean, Twitter, I thought Elon would let you back on there, but I don't... Elon, that's another story.
	Elon's a whole other story.
	I think Elon's a lot different than meets the surface.
	Yeah, he... Oh, don't start me on that one.
	I think he's a part of all.
	Anyway, so... Yeah.
	So, there we go.
	It's... I'm banned from YouTube, but you can get me at davidknight.com, which is the hub where all my videos, I do videos all the time, and you'll get all my books there, including if you're in America or in North America, the books will be shipped from within North America, so you'll get them very quickly.
	And then there's Iconic, which is a media platform created by my son, which I do a lot of work for.
	I do a dot connector show there every Saturday, connecting the dots of the week's news.
	And I do films as well.
	We've got two major films called Albion Heart of the World coming up at Christmas.
	Congratulations to you and your son.
	Congratulations to you and the little guy.
	Yeah, I did a film recently, which has been massively well received, where I went into, with a film crew, to the Hellfire Caves in a place called Wickham, 30 miles or so north of London, which was, there were caves specifically dug by an aristocrat called Sir Francis Dashwood to do satanic ritual and orgy and all that stuff that went on.
	And actually one of his close friends who went in there from time to time was Benjamin Franklin, one of the Founding Fathers of the United States.
	So I go in there and it's a very dark, demonic place and we see what happens and it was interesting.
	So that's an iconic as well.
	It's called the Hellfire Caves.
	The Hellfire Caves.
	Check that out.
	You'll feel the frequencies, right?
	I can only imagine what you felt in there, buddy.
	Yeah, oh my god.
	Do you feel the frequencies in there?
	I can feel them from here.
	What's the name of it again so everybody knows?
	What's the name of the strike so everybody can check it out?
	It's called Hellfire Caves and it's called Iconic.
	Iconic.com.
	That's where the And basically, we do news shows, we're telling the truth rather than the official line, all the time, every day.
	And then we do full-length documentaries and films and stuff on every aspect of life, not just conspiracy, every aspect of life.
	Stuff you won't get in the mainstream.
	So I'm delighted with what my son's done.
	It's amazing.
	Congratulations.
	BabyLife.com is my hub.
	And we can get the talk about The Trap off your website?
	Yeah, yeah.
	The trap you can get to the website, and like I say, it's shipped from within North America, so you'll get it very quickly.
	And, you know, we're just replenishing it.
	It's been an amazingly well-received, the trap, because it really does go not only into this world, but I do that big time, how this world is manipulated, but the other worlds and the reincarnation trap and how we get out of here.
	So it's another step forward.
	Congratulations on all your success.
	And I'll tell you what, I have the utmost respect for you because even when everybody looked at you like you were crazy, you kept going on and on and on.
	And now you can look at them and say, Hey, am I still crazy?
	And in about 10 years, you could say, am I still crazy?
	Still crazy after all these years.
	If a world that's insane doesn't see you as crazy, you've got a problem.
	That's right.
	When somebody calls me crazy, I say, thank you.
	Thank you.
	I don't want to not be crazy.
	It was a blast, Mr. Ike.
	Thank you so much.
	I really appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, it's been a real pleasure.
	It's lovely to talk about these deeper things and get the chance to do so.
	It's a real pleasure.
	I love it.
	And then, you know, we get to get it out to all ages and, you know, people are interested.
	They're slowly getting more interested as it gets more crazy.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Thank you, sir.
	We would love to see you again.
	Thanks, mate.
	Thank you.
	See you again.
	Don't be a bloke.
	Don't be a bloke.
	Right?
	Don't be a bloke, mate.
	My friend from Canada used to always call me a bloke.
	Or a bloke, yeah.
	Yeah, I had a really good friend in Canada, and we would do a lot of coding on the computer, and whenever I would, you know, mess up a line, he'd be like, mate, you dumb bloke, I told you, you bloke, you bloke, you bloke.
	So it just brings back memories.
	Yeah, he must have a lot of English roots then.
	Yeah, he went from England to, uh, or UK to England.
	Ah, there you go.
	Yep, there you go.
	Alright, Mr. Drake, thank you so much.
	See ya, mate.
	See ya.
	Appreciate it.
	The whole basis of the manipulation is to divide us, and is to get us to judge each other, to hate each other, to envy each other, to compete with each other.
	It's to confuse people, especially the young, about their gender, who weren't confused before.
	That's what it's about.
	A lot of people don't carry cash anymore, and they're not grabbing credit cards either.
	Instead, they're using their smartphones.
	A currency that wouldn't be cash, it would be merely electronic, for which there are fundamental implications for human freedom.
	The United States is preparing for a war against Russia through Ukraine, and what they plan is to try to take Crimea back.
	The idea for this third world war is to involve Russia and China against the West.
	Stage one you create a problem.
	in China.
	Oxygen, medical supplies and physical threats have continued to grow.
	One of the five vaccines envisioned in the plan.
	Stage one you create a problem.
	It could be a manufactured virus.
	You want a reaction and you want them to either say do something or you want them to accept
	what the authorities suggest must be done.
	The plan is to create a new virus.
	You want to create a new virus.
	So one of the agendas is to massively cull the population.

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