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Rebunked - Escaping The Trap With David Icke

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	Today, pretty much needs no introduction, but just author, filmmaker, prolific historian and just everything.
	I just, I can't even tell you how much you've inspired my work over the years and especially David over the last couple years with this whole COVID fiasco.
	Your words of inspiration have reverberated across the ocean to us and has really, you know, myself and so many people I know I've taken your words to heart and we are standing up.
	Absolutely.
	Like we are not, not, not going to be on our knees for this.
	And so thank you so much for joining me today, David Icke.
	It's quite an honor.
	Thanks.
	All right.
	Awesome.
	So, um, I, I heard you on the Alex Jones show last week and we had this interview on the books for quite a while now.
	And I heard your discussion with Alex and you mentioned this new book and I was like, Oh my gosh, I didn't even know he had a new book out.
	Like how did that slip through the radar?
	So I immediately ordered it, and so you guys, this is called The Trap, David Icke's most recent installment here, and I had the pleasure of reading the entire book.
	I did read the entire book, and I took notes the whole time, and so we have a lot to discuss here.
	It's just a fascinating book, and you know, I really want to thank you for putting this together.
	It was very, it gave me the opportunity to reflect on a lot of things in my life, to look back on Memories that I have and and so many things there's so much to digest and you point out several times throughout the book like you know take this information sit on it for a minute reflect on it meditate on it you know it's it's a lot to unpack but and it's really powerful stuff though so first of all thank you for that but before we get into the real contents of the book I'm always curious you know I
	You know, I've got a lot of irons in the fire, a lot of projects I'm working on, but one of my goals in life is to write a book.
	And in the book, you describe how, you know, when before you even wrote a book, how you, uh, like, you're like, I don't, how, I don't even have that much to say.
	I don't have that much to say.
	How can I possibly get it all in one book?
	Right.
	And then, uh, and then of course, now you have this prolific, what is this your 21st book or?
	So 26 books later, over the course of over 30 years, what would be your advice to somebody who is first venturing down that road of trying to publish or author a book?
	What would be something that you would instill upon myself or somebody listening that might be in that situation?
	Well, first of all, Scott, in terms of writing a book, you know, I'm an author.
	Oh yeah, I'm an author.
	Drop all that stuff because what a book writer is or any kind of writer, you're speaking
	to whoever's reading it.
	And I always imagine, you know, the kind of people that are reading the book when I'm
	writing it and I'm talking to them.
	And I have a technique where I never introduce something new in the book unless I explain
	its context immediately or its context is obvious from what's gone before.
	Because the worst thing you want, and it's the same in a film and any kind of media really, you don't want people going, hold on a minute, come again?
	You want it to go from A to B to C to D and always giving people the information they need to understand where you go next and to follow the context of it.
	And so it's just having a chat, really.
	I mean, you do the research and then it's like someone says to you, so what have you found out?
	And then you tell them.
	And, you know, it's no... People say, oh, you know, I'm not a writer and all that stuff.
	Well, can you talk to people?
	Can you have a chat with them?
	Can you tell them what you think?
	Well, yeah.
	Well, you're a writer then, because it's not as difficult as people think it is.
	Yeah, that's amazing.
	And then thank you for that.
	Cause that, that, that really, uh, that makes a lot of sense.
	You know, it's, it's less about, oh, I'm writing a book, right.
	And it's more about a conversation, you know, as with a lot of these things, you know, we're just having conversations.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I love that.
	I love that.
	Well, let's get into it here a little bit.
	So, um, you know, a lot of the things I want to ask you, or maybe some of the things that we're going to talk about, these are broad topics.
	These are deep conversations and obviously it takes an entire book to cover.
	The width and the breadth of these topics, right?
	And so I really want to encourage everybody, please, you know, after this conversation, please go check out, uh, please go order a copy and dive into it for yourself.
	There's actually a link to davidak.com, his page to order it in the description, in the description below.
	So we're going to give like kind of a, just, we're just going to touch on some of these broad overview topics, you know?
	Yeah.
	I should say also Scott, there's, um, there's an audio version of the first audio book I've ever done.
	Oh, didn't even know that.
	That's great.
	I actually read the book, um, on, um, on tape.
	Okay.
	People can listen in their car as well.
	Perfect.
	Yeah.
	I'm a voracious audio book listener.
	And so I'm actually, I'm glad I didn't know that.
	I actually had the chance to, the discipline to sit down and force myself to read this book, like very, very in a quick succession.
	You know, I don't usually allow myself that much time in a week with all the things I have going on to sit down and read a book like in a couple of days.
	So I was really, you know, that was a cool thing for me.
	So thank you.
	Uh, so.
	We'll talk about like, like, okay, so one of the main topics here is the idea of reality are.
	Third dimensional five sense reality being a simulation, right?
	And we've heard the idea of the simulation, you know, brought about, I think most people are traditionally aware of it with the Nick Bostrom's assertion of the simulation, right?
	Simulation theory, you know?
	And I've looked into that quite a bit and I kind of like, I haven't, I didn't fully resonate with his version of it because to me it's very like nihilistic.
	It's like, well then what's the point?
	Like, it's kind of hopeless and it kind of drives you into a ditch of just, ugh, right?
	And so, particularly in the interview you did with Alex, I heard, you know, you describing simulation there, and I'm like, oh, is he on the Nick Bostrom thing?
	But then after reading the book, I have a much deeper understanding of what you mean by the simulation.
	And to me, it's like, it's not, that's not, that's not, that's not the patient is saying that there we are boxed in to a simulation overlay on top of this fifth dimensional infinite awareness reality.
	So we're kind of like in an overlay trapped.
	You know, as the book suggests, the book title suggests, like over this other dimension of infinite awareness.
	So can you kind of help me describe, like, or help describe what you see the simulation being compared to maybe what Nick Bostrom's version of it is?
	And I know you wrote a whole book to expound upon this, but just as briefly as we can cover here.
	Yeah, when I was starting to look ever more deeply at reality, just after the turn of the millennium,
	I just felt very strongly that we live in a simulated reality and the limit of that
	simulation at the level that we experience it is the speed of light.
	And the speed of light is not the fastest speed possible as it's claimed.
	It's pedestrian.
	But it is the fastest speed within this level of the simulation.
	So it appears, when you measure things, as if it's the fastest speed.
	And at the time that I got this, I looked at, you know, the guy you're talking about, Nick Bostrom at Oxford University, because I was looking at The whole idea that it's a simulation, is there anyone else saying this?
	And so I looked at his version of it and I didn't buy that, but at least he was looking at the idea that it possibly was.
	And one of the great things that happened was the arrival of the Matrix movie, or Matrix movies as it became.
	Because I don't know what the background to that is, why they portrayed reality as the simulated way that they did, whether they knew or whether they just had an idea.
	But whatever it was, it was a godsend to me because it gave a visual expression of what I was feeling, what I was seeing.
	And it was another war, best part of 20 years later in the spring of 2021, that I read an article in Scientific American, where the academic author was saying that he had concluded, we live in a simulation, And that the limit of the simulation is the speed of light, which, of course, knocked me back after all those years when I said the same.
	And he related the speed of light, I say quite rightly, to processing speed.
	I've been pointing out over the decades since, or many, many years since, that what we call the laws of physics, which are what?
	They're the apparent limits of what you can do in this reality.
	are actually the rules of the game.
	They're actually the encoded rules within the simulated reality.
	And he points that out too, and then says, well, even if you are in control of writing the rules of the game, the virtual reality game, we know all about them now, then you're still limited by your processing speed,
	which is related to the speed of light.
	And of course, since the turn of the millennium, when I started talking and writing about this,
	a lot of mainstream scientists have come to the conclusion that this is actually a simulation, a virtual reality.
	And it's something that when you grasp it, when the penny drops, a lot of the kind of mysteries, in terms of mainstream science, unexplainable mysteries of reality start to fall and fade because it starts to make sense why
	things are as they are.
	And we've had many mainstream scientists and increasing numbers now who are going down that
	road because it does explain things that otherwise are unexplainable.
	We've got Silas Bean who was a physicist who led a team at the University of Bonn that concluded that we almost certainly do live in a simulation and from their point of view that It's based on some kind of cube matrix.
	We've got Rich Terrell in the NASA computer department area, who came out a few years ago, I think it was 2017, and said he'd concluded that we live in a simulation, a holographic simulation, illusory physical, which is what I've been saying all along, and that if that is the case, Then it obviously wasn't and isn't natural.
	It's not something that just happened.
	It was made to happen.
	It was built by some force, some non-human force, which again is what I've been pointing out to great hilarity all these years, that is actually behind this and behind, ultimately, the direction the world's being taken.
	with this constant centralization of power and destruction of human freedom.
	So all these things in the end, they come together.
	You know, I talk about connecting the dots.
	Well, there's a heck of a lot of dots to connect.
	You can connect the dots between the World Health Organization and Silicon Valley and Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab and the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers.
	Yes, and they all connect.
	But then you connect other dots that go deeper in the rabbit hole and eventually they lead to a non-human force that has created this simulation.
	And so the next question is, well, what is it?
	And what I'm saying is it's not actually a physical construct.
	It's not.
	It's an information source.
	So I take you back to the Matrix movies.
	Where the characters like Neo and Morpheus and so on, they were operating in the ship outside the Matrix in the movies.
	And to go into the Matrix, they didn't go in with their bodies.
	They went in with their minds.
	That probe was stuck in the back of the neck, in the, you know, the reptilian part of the lower brain.
	And they went in with their minds, their bodies stayed out.
	And I'm saying that this simulation is actually a mind construct.
	You know, the brain is a processor of information.
	It's not the source of consciousness.
	It processes consciousness.
	And the level of consciousness that you open the brain to by opening your mind to, opening
	your sense of possibility to.
	dictates what level of consciousness your brain is processing into a sense of reality.
	So someone who just identifies only with the body, only with the labels, as I call them, of a human life, will, through that myopia of perception, be opening the brain to only a a very low level of awareness and consciousness.
	And thus they'll have perceptions that reflect that.
	And other people that open their minds to the greater self, the more expanded consciousness beyond this nonsense
	ultimately, they will allow their brain to process that.
	And they will have a completely different sense of reality.
	And we're seeing that.
	We're seeing this very clearly, this parting of the ways, not least very quickly since the COVID card was played, of different senses of reality that are manifesting what?
	Very different experiences.
	You know, you've got the people that that saw through the covid hoax and they are not jabbed and they are living their life from a certain perception of reality and what's going on.
	And you've got vast numbers of other people who didn't see through the hoax and who are jabbed.
	Maybe they've been jabbed and now they are seeing through the hoax.
	There are many, many people like that.
	But there's still many who still have not seen that they've been absolutely scammed.
	So it's about how much consciousness you let in.
	If you only let in the consciousness that's coming from authority, and coming from the media, which is coming from authority, and coming from the censorship of Silicon Valley, which is coming from authority, then you will only open your mind to a certain range of information.
	And we Develop our perceptions from the information we receive.
	It might be from media sources.
	It might be personal experience.
	It might be from many different directions.
	But we receive information and we form our perceptions from that.
	And if you only open your mind, if you can call it that, to the official
	story of everything, then that's all you'll hear. And so your perceptions and your behavior,
	which comes from perception, will reflect the narratives.
	So they tell you there's a deadly virus.
	You believe there's a deadly virus.
	You go meekly under house arrest because there's a deadly virus.
	You're then told that the deadly virus can only be overcome by actually a deadly fake vaccine.
	And you have the fake vaccine.
	Then you have another, and then you have another, and then you have another.
	That's because your perceptions are manifesting your behavior.
	But other people are expanding their awareness beyond that.
	There is this process that, or this phenomenon, that science dismissed for a long, long, long, long time.
	And that's that the brain changes in the way it processes information on the basis of the information, i.e.
	the frequencies of the information that it receives.
	So science said for a long, long time, until actually relatively recently, But once the brain was formed, that was it.
	That's how it was.
	Now they know that if you change the information that the brain is processing, you change the way the brain processes information.
	So if you, for instance, are only taking the official story of everything, the government narrative, the official narrative, the authority narrative, your brain starts to form its neuron networks and the firing of the the neural networks in the electrical
	system in a way that processes that information and as long as you're
	only getting that information your brain will stay in that state
	and therefore you literally can't compute other information that's
	challenging that official narrative. This is where you get oh you're just a
	conspiracy theorist you don't know what you're talking about oh that's crazy no
	they'd never do that they would never lie to us like that they wouldn't
	because your brain can't literally process that information but as you
	open your mind to actually do you think they might oh they are
	Then all your neuron networks and your information processing systems in the brain and the electrical system start to change and start to be able to process this new information.
	And that's why people are going, whoa, whoa, in stages, whoa, more and more into understanding the scale of the deceit that we've been living in.
	All our lives.
	And the whole basis, if you break everything down, whether it's a simulation or whether it's Facebook censorship, or whether it's the government COVID narrative, the foundation of the entire conspiracy to enslave humanity is to hijack human perception, which becomes then human behavior.
	You want to control human behavior?
	Control perception and you'll control behavior.
	So if you look at this simulation from that point of view, it's my contention from what I've learned and picked up over the years.
	you know, you bit here, bit there, bit there, and you put it together,
	is that there was or is still a prime reality.
	A prime reality that is not a million miles different.
	It's very much more expanded and very much more advanced, but it's not a million miles from the reality
	that we're experiencing in terms of the way it looks, if you like.
	And what happened, and the ancients talked about this.
	This is one of the things that I've found so compelling, is if you look at the different ancient cultures
	and you put away the different names for their gods and what have you,
	and you just look at the common, continually repeating things,
	you realize they're actually telling the same story.
	And, For instance, the Gnostic people, the Gnostic belief system in ancient Egypt, and it was elsewhere too, southern France under the name of the Cathars, etc.
	They left a real treasure trove of writings and documents which were found in a place called Nag Hammadi in Egypt in 1945.
	And it's estimated that they were put in the earthen jar which they were found in, maybe around 400 AD.
	And 400 AD is in the period that the great library at Alexandria, this great depository of ancient knowledge and texts, fantastic information they held.
	was destroyed by the Roman Church and the documents disappeared. Some would have been
	destroyed and I tell you a lot of them will be under the in the vaults of the Vatican
	to this day. But because of what they say, I mean the people that were operating with
	the Gnostic belief system at the Great Library at Alexandria, they were talking about the
	earth going around the sun 2000 years before Copernicus and what have you and Galileo following
	on.
	And so they had this great knowledge which the church did not want people to have.
	So they were destroyed.
	But they left these writings.
	And when they've been translated, and I've read two very thick books translating them, they talk about a force they call archons, which is ancient Greek for rulers.
	Well, it's still Greek for rulers.
	And so That's why they use the word.
	And Archons, they said, were a non-human force operating outside of the human world.
	And just very quickly, almost everything in the totality of existence is outside the world we call human.
	Yeah.
	Because this is a great, a great, very vital point, which again opens up so many apparent mysteries.
	When we look through our eyes, we think we're looking at everything in the space we're looking at, but we're not.
	We can only see a tiny band of frequency, which science calls visible light.
	That's all we can see.
	Everything outside of that is invisible to us.
	The entirety and totality virtually of, um, Reality, infinite reality, is denied us.
	So to think, well, we know it all, we know all there is we need to know, and you can get all you need to know from this book called the Bible or the Quran or any other book.
	I'm not saying there's not some stuff in there that is useful, but to say that all you need to know is what's in there, it's ridiculous.
	To put this visible light into perspective, According to mainstream science.
	The electromagnetic spectrum, which is basically this reality in so many ways, is 0.005% of what exists in different forms of energy, etc., in this, what they call, universe.
	And visible light is a tiny fraction of the 0.005%.
	So that's what we can see.
	So when people say, well, where are these non-humans then?
	And they say, well, I can't see them.
	Well, of course you can't see them.
	You can hardly see anything.
	That's the point.
	And, you know, if you have radio stations in the old analog system and television stations, television channels, they're all sharing the same space in the space that you are within.
	They're sharing the same space that you're standing in or sitting in, but you can't see them just as you can't see Wi-Fi.
	But tune a computer to Wi-Fi and you'll get Wi-Fi on the screen in a totally different
	form than it appears in the Wi-Fi field.
	You'll see pictures, moving pictures, graphics, words, everything.
	Whereas in the Wi-Fi field, they're just information within a radiation field.
	But you put them through the computer, suddenly they become what we see on the screen.
	And that's going to be vital as we move on to the nature of reality now that this matrix works, to understanding what I mean by this This simulation is actually a mind phenomenon, not a physical, if you like, construct.
	So you've got this situation where we can hardly see anything.
	And you've got the descriptions by these Gnostic writings going way, way back.
	of a non-human force that's manipulating, from outside of visible light, what goes on in visible light.
	This is what this secret society network, and your Gateses, and your Rockefellers, and your Rothschilds, and your Klaus Schwabs, they are, within visible light, within the human world, assets of this non-human force.
	They may seem powerful, but they're actually compared with the non-human force.
	They're just gophers.
	Operating and manipulating human society in accordance with the non-human forces agenda for the world.
	This is the reason that these same people, as we now know, I've been researching this for 30 years, all these assets of this, what I call global cult, manipulating human society, are into Satanism and such like.
	And what is Satanism?
	It's worshipping of these gods, these demonic gods.
	operating outside visible light, which are ultimately manipulating human society in the way we experience.
	And what these Gnostic writings said, interestingly, is that this non-human force, this archontic force, has entrapped humanity by making a, quote, bad copy of prime reality.
	And for bad copy, read simulated copy of prime reality.
	And this is this overlay I'm talking about.
	You've got prime reality, the reality that is the natural one, if you like.
	And then you've got this overlay, this informational overlay of the simulation.
	So how do we How do we turn that simulation into a perceived reality so we're living in a simulation thinking it's real?
	Well again we come back to how we how we decode reality because that's what we're doing.
	So if you again go back to the analogy you've got a Wi-Fi field I can't see it and the computer connects into the Wi-Fi field.
	And it transforms, it decodes the Wi-Fi field into a completely and utterly different form on the screen as we see.
	And if you said to people, OK, what is the Internet?
	And they'd say, yeah, well, the Internet.
	Yeah, it's it's it's pictures and graphics and what have you.
	You see on the screen.
	Yeah.
	OK.
	But that's the only place in the entire Internet system that the Internet looks like that.
	Everywhere else, it's electronic circuits and so on, and it's Wi-Fi.
	The only place it exists is on the screen, nowhere else in the form that we see it.
	And yet, we perceive the internet as what we see on the screen, when actually that's just a fraction of what the internet is.
	So, take that analogy, and this is mainstream science, how we manifest our reality.
	The foundation of this So-called human reality.
	Indeed, the very foundation of this simulation is waveform information.
	Think Wi-Fi.
	And we are connecting into that field.
	We're interacting with that field all the time, though we don't realize it.
	And because of that field exists many, many, indeed all, paranormal activity can be explained.
	So, hold on a minute.
	So, you've got this field of waveform vibrating information.
	Yeah, okay.
	So, how do we turn it into this?
	Well, this is my trim science, I say again.
	The five senses are designed to take waveform information, turn it into electrical information, which they then communicate to the brain, and the brain decodes that electrical information into Digital holographic information.
	Holographic being illusory physical, as we see with holograms that are now, you know, getting more and more sophisticated.
	They look, the best of them look absolutely solid and real.
	But they're not.
	But they appear so.
	And so we are taking this waveform information, turning it into electrical information, which goes to the brain to become holographic information.
	I mean, all the five senses work like that, but you can take the simplest one, sound, and the ears, to make the point.
	So I'm not I'm passing words to you and the audience.
	I'm passing a waveform vibrating field of information, which my vibrating vocal cords are creating.
	They are passing across the airwaves to the ears of the listeners.
	And the ears then turn that waveform, sound wave information, into electrical information, which is communicated to the brain, which then decodes it as the words you hear.
	And, you know, this process now has become more and more understood to the point where there are pain relief systems now that work to stop the messages coming from the five senses or from the body through the five senses to the brain in the sense that if you get like a real smack on the leg, for instance, then you don't feel pain until the point of the blow has been communicated to the brain and the brain decodes, ouch!
	If you can stop that communication, that electrical communication from the point of the blow or the point of the pain to the brain, you don't feel pain because it's all going on in here.
	So, in effect, what I'm saying with this simulation is it's a simulation that exists here.
	It's decoded by our systems of five sense systems into a reality that seems ever so real.
	But actually, it's an informational overlay of prime reality.
	And I'll just finish on this point.
	What we're seeing now, Scott, is this explosion of modern technology literally mimicking The reality that we think is real and natural.
	And I give you this example.
	When people put their headsets on in a virtual reality game, they may be in a room like this, which is kind of empty, nothing going on at all.
	But the headset, what does the headset do?
	When you play these sophisticated Virtual reality games.
	You have the headset, which gives you the visuals.
	You have the audio.
	You have gloves that give you the touch senses.
	And what are they doing?
	What is the game doing?
	It's hacking in to the five senses and hacking in to the decoding systems of the five senses and overriding them.
	And so you put the headset on in an empty room and then you'll see people thrashing around as if what's being fed to them through the game is real.
	But what they can do is to take the headset off and they can have the empty room reality to give them a perspective on what that actually is.
	It's a game.
	Now imagine You come out of the womb with a headset on, and the headset's on your entire life until you go out the other end.
	And that headset is feeding you a sense of reality 24-7 all your life, in this process I've described, the five senses decoding information into a fake reality.
	You're going to believe it's real.
	If they can get you to believe something's real with a headset on, when you know it's not or should, imagine if you have an entire lifetime with this symbolic headset on.
	and no one tells you there's any other reality except the one you're experiencing,
	that reality will dictate what? It will dictate your perceptions which will dictate your behavior
	via your sense of reality. That's how it works. Wow, powerful.
	So, speaking of this headset that you just mentioned, my literal, like, soundboard just glitched out and said we lost you.
	Can you still hear me, David?
	Yeah.
	Okay, and hopefully the audience can still hear.
	I'm sure they'd be chiming in if they couldn't hear, but I've lost audio through my headset, and I don't know which mic I'm being picked up on, but we're just gonna keep winging it here.
	Yeah, I can hear you.
	The Archons!
	The Archons, man, I'm telling you.
	Intercepted this communication here.
	Well, thank you for that.
	I mean, that's such a great, uh, under, you know, breakdown of this.
	Um, I want, I want to, I want to stay on this particular, you know, the dimensional aspect of it, because I find that to be so fascinating.
	Right.
	So, you know, I think traditionally before I read this, I heard, you know, kind of my vision of the fourth dimension was sound or excuse me, time, time, right?
	Time, the linear version of time, which you also discuss in depth, uh, in the book, the idea of the concept of time and how that is a construct in and of itself.
	But.
	I love your description of the fourth dimension being that and you describe it as the fourth dimension as the realm of the mind from where the simulation is projected and there's also different you know frequency bands and that's kind of where the the the danger lies you know they can infiltrate us through the lower frequencies of the fourth dimension but can you kind of explain like what your your uh interpretation of what the fourth dimension is to me it's like it's like the the the point of awareness that is observing the third dimension that's kind of like in a way with the way i see it describe that and then maybe take us to then what the fifth dimension and beyond is
	Yeah, I mean, I use these terms of dimensions, fourth dimension, fifth dimension, in the books.
	Obviously, it's a real massive subject, and I'm trying to keep it really, real simple.
	Not simplistic, but simple, so people can immediately, who haven't come across this before, see what I'm talking about.
	So, where's the mind?
	That's the first question.
	Where's the mind?
	If the mind is not the brain, and it's not, the brain's a processor of information, where's the mind?
	Well, the mind is a field of awareness, a field of consciousness, but we can't see it.
	We can become aware of it, we can pick up the vibes of it, but we can't see it, just as we can't see Wi-Fi.
	And so, As a rule of thumb, if you like, if you can't see it, it's what I call the fourth dimension.
	And it's not exactly like that, but that will do as a kind of a basis for what I'm saying.
	So we can see, I can look around now and my five senses are seeing lights, they're seeing a wall, they're seeing a desk, they're seeing a computer.
	But the five senses only pick up a particular range of frequency and it's ever so narrow.
	So that range of frequency that it turns into a sense of reality is what we call things, forms.
	So I can see the desk, I can see the lights, I can see the computer, I can see the cup.
	But in between all of these things, these forms, to the five senses, it appears to be empty space.
	Appears to be nothing there.
	But actually, it's not empty space.
	It's this field of information, knowledge, awareness, etc.
	But it's vibrating, its frequency is beyond the range of the five senses.
	And so, when you look at the world through the five senses alone, it seems like everything is apart from everything else.
	And it feels like, you know, this is all there is.
	When actually, this field of information, knowledge, it's like we're swimming in a sea of energy, information.
	And our perceptions are dictating what information we decode into a sense of reality.
	I go into that in the books about how we actually do, literally, through our perceptions, dictate our own experience.
	You know, if you think something and believe something, you will experience that.
	I've met people who told me about how they keep experiencing the same thing over and over again.
	Drives them mad!
	It might take different forms and involve different people, but it's the same basic experience.
	And what they're doing is Groundhog Day all the time.
	And then you explain to them that they're actually creating that.
	What is it in your perception of reality?
	What is it in your belief system?
	What is it about your sense of identity that is generating that recurring experience?
	And when I've explained it to some people, And they've got it.
	I kind of see why that might be happening.
	And once they acknowledge it and see it, then it stops recurring.
	Because their perception has changed, thus their experience has changed.
	It's amazing how much control we have over our lives, if only we realize how this whole thing works.
	In terms of these dimensions, you've got what I'll call it the third dimension, you know, and it's all this scientific thing in dimensions or it's space and time, forget all that, that's their version of things.
	I'm talking about, when I'm talking about third dimension, fourth dimension, fifth dimension, ranges of frequency.
	Ranges of frequency which, like the analog radio and television stations, share the same space as each other without interfering with each other until they get really close on the dial and then you get interference.
	On the analog radio system you'll have a radio station that dominates, it's the loudest, but there's interference coming in as well from another station because they're close on the dial.
	But when they're not close on the dial, these dimensions penetrate each other, the same space that I'm sitting in now.
	The third dimension, the fourth dimension, the fifth dimension and beyond, all exist in the space I'm sitting in now, but my senses only pick up the third dimension.
	Well, you expand your awareness, you start picking up other dimensions, but overwhelmingly, your senses are picking up only the third dimension.
	You're tuned to this radio station, if you like, this TV show.
	And so this is how it works.
	So the fourth dimension is the dimension of mind.
	Now you can have expanded states of mind, which will take you into the upper levels, the upper frequency levels of this fourth dimension, mind dimension, which, you know, the esoteric world calls the fourth dimension, the astral dimension.
	And when you come down to the lower frequency levels of this astral fourth dimension, it gets really, really close to this one.
	There's interference.
	It can interact.
	This is what we call ghosts.
	It's what we call demons.
	And you therefore have a point where there is interaction and there can be manipulation.
	And these lower levels of the fourth dimension, the astral dimension, this is where the demonic world is, the world of inversion, of chaos, of distortion, of what we call evil, which is basically a form of chaos that manifests as the absence of love.
	It has no ability in its chaotic state to experience the feelings, the emotions of empathy, for instance, of compassion.
	This is this demonic realm.
	And this is another interesting thing, Scott.
	You know, when you look at around all the ancient cultures, as I was saying earlier, you find the recurring theme of this demonic realm, which is manipulating human society.
	So the Christians talk about demons.
	The Islamic religion talks about the jinn operating.
	What are the jinn?
	They operate outside of human sight and manipulate human society and manipulate humans.
	You have the Gnostics talking about the Archons in pretty much exactly the same terms.
	In fact, when you look at my books and you see some of the terms used for the Archons, they are the same as those used for the jinn by the Islamic belief system.
	And then you have in the Zulu belief system in the south of Africa, you have what they call the Chitauri, the children of the serpent, which are described in similar ways, operating in the unseen but manipulating the human world.
	And what they've created is this network that I call the global cult of secret societies keeping secret ultimately what?
	The fact that this is what is happening and this is what's manipulating the human world.
	And the inner sanctum of this secret society network, not Bill and Joe down the local lodge, knows that they're interacting.
	They know that they're being They're representing this non-human demonic force.
	That's why, Scott, these representatives of this force operating in the human world, like Gates and Schwab and Fauci, Rothschilds, Rockefellers, all of them, Trudeau, all these people, they act In the same way that the demons are.
	Because they're representative of them.
	Representatives of them.
	They have no compassion.
	They have no empathy.
	And they're driving this agenda of global control and merciless imposition of suffering on the population.
	Because that's who they are.
	This is why they do it.
	And these networks, like the World Economic Forum and its Young Leaders School, they are training and developing these various people as representatives of this cult, representatives of this demonic force, to put them in the positions of political power.
	So you have leaders school so-called graduates in Canada, Trudeau, Freeland, the Deputy Prime Minister, with Newsom, Governor of California, with Ardern in New Zealand, with Macron in France, and so on and so forth.
	It goes.
	This is how the whole thing's done.
	But ultimately, and you know, this is where I've been traveling all these years.
	My point is, if you want to remove a cause, You've got to get to the core of it.
	You've got to get to where it's coming from.
	And this demonic realm is where it's coming from.
	So this is the reason, again, that these characters in this global cult are invariably doing satanic rituals.
	What's a satanic ritual?
	You know, what are they interacting with?
	These demonic entities outside of human sight in this lower astral region in which they operate.
	And so I've talked to people who've taken part in satanic rituals all over the world, who tell you how they are interacting with what they perceive to be the gods, actually demons, and how these demonic entities can manifest in some of these major rituals.
	They're still today doing rituals that they were doing in Babylon, in Egypt and so on.
	Why?
	Because those rituals were specifically designed to impact upon the energetic field, to thin out at a particular point and in a particular way The frequency division between this world and the astral world, the lower astral world.
	And because of this conduit field they conjure with the way they do the ritual and the sound and everything, these entities could slip through from the astral dimension into this one.
	They can't stay that long, but they can appear.
	I've talked to people all over the world that told me how they've experienced it and seen it.
	So this is why you've got this whole connection between the, quote, elite – talk about inversion – and Satanism.
	And you've also got, haven't you, this connection between the so-called elite and pedophilia.
	Now, this is another big area that will explain so much about what goes on.
	These demonic entities are so, and indeed the Gnostics describe this in their writings from 400 AD or before, these demonic entities do not have a source of energy.
	They are so distorted, so schismatic, that they have not got a natural source of energy.
	of energetic nourishment, if you like, from what they call Source Consciousness, the infinity of consciousness.
	So they have to create one.
	And again, we come back to frequency.
	These demonic entities, by their very nature, are in a very, very low vibrational, low frequency state.
	And if you are going to absorb energy, then it has to be within the frequency band that you're operating on or you cannot absorb it.
	You're two radio stations passing in the night.
	So they've set up this structure of what we call human society to generate as much low vibrational energy as they can possibly create.
	So, what do I mean by that?
	Well, every time you think, the nature of that thought has a particular frequency.
	Every time you feel emotionally, the nature of the emotion has a frequency.
	So, hate, fear, the foundation of human control, Anxiety, depression, they all have low, slow frequencies.
	This has been measured way back now.
	And joy and love and happiness have very high, fast vibrations.
	That's no good to the demons, they can't absorb that.
	The last thing they want humans to be, they want them in a low frequency state.
	So what they're doing all the time through this cult is setting up reasons to feel fear, to feel depression, to feel resentment, to feel hatred, to manifest conflict.
	Because that is lunch.
	So when in the Matrix movies the Morpheus character held up the battery and said, The machines have turned humans into one of these.
	That was a profound symbolic truth.
	That's what they've done.
	I remember going with my what was then a very young son, Jamie, to a movie called Monsters, Inc.
	Of course, it was a Disney movie, so it was full of bloody symbolism, even though it's supposed to be for kids.
	And if you remember it, you had the monsters in the monster world.
	Lead by a character, by the way, with a single eye on the forehead, the all-seeing eye, the single eye, major symbol of this cult.
	And this monster world did not have a source of energy.
	So they had the power station in the monster world, and that worked by every morning, these monster characters all lining up together in a big long line and then doors would come down
	in front of them bedroom doors and They would then walk through the bedroom door
	Which would then take them into the human world. It would be a child's bedroom or something and their role as
	generators of power for the monster world Was to terrify the child so the child screamed and they
	would catch the scream in these like devices and
	Take it back to the monster world to power the monster world
	Now that kid's story by Disney tells symbolically what I'm describing.
	They feed off our energy, our fear, so they have to keep generating it.
	And that's what they're doing.
	But the thing is that, you know, humans have vastly more power than the demonic level has, as long as we remember who we are, what we are, consciousness, expressions of infinite awareness, and not the labels of a human life, seeing everything only through the five senses.
	As long as they can keep you in the five senses, they have primed you to generate this low vibrational energy.
	I know.
	And David, I know we're running up on the hour here.
	You know, I'm of course good for as long as we want to go, but I want to be very respectful of your time.
	We booked an hour here.
	So, but just on that point right there, maybe just kind of as we wind down here, do you have a few more minutes to go or do you have a hard hour?
	Let's take another 15.
	Okay, perfect.
	Perfect.
	So right on that note, right there, that's kind of where I wanted to go next with this whole thing.
	Right.
	And so, well, one of the things that you described in the book that I found very fascinating is that, you know, not all what we perceive to be other humans have the same level of consciousness.
	A lot of them are constructs of the matrix.
	And so that's one of the conundrums.
	Like when we see the Gates and the Fauci's and the Klaus Schwab, it's like, they never, they, they, they never get what's coming to them.
	They never have to pay the karmic price.
	They always get away with it.
	It seems like, but that's because they're not.
	In the same, uh, karmic reality that we do, you know, cause and effect.
	It's like they're outside of that.
	But, but, but then you, and, and maybe we talk about that, but the main, the main thing that I was hoping that we could steer is, is the idea of escaping, escaping this trap.
	And you do get into it towards the end of the book.
	And again, I want to encourage everybody to please go get the book.
	Please go get the book at davidak.com.
	But, uh, The idea that it's the idea of self-identifying.
	That was the part that really resonated with me.
	You know, the part that says that, you know, the woke cult, the woke cult wants to keep us trapped in self-identifying with things that are here in this third sense simulation.
	They want us to be only defined by the color of our skin or who we sleep with.
	Exactly.
	And if you notice, and this is very important, Scott, to what's happening in the world in relation to what I'm talking about.
	is you'll notice that what's happening in the woke era is that the labels of a human
	life, of human identity, are being subdivided and subdivided.
	Yeah.
	It was once you identified as a man or a woman or this income bracket or this race or this religion but now they're subdividing it just as they subdivided the religions from one religion then it was another two religions fighting against each other and you look at the religious history and you'll see this create a religion, subdivide it, set it at war with itself.
	It's a constant theme And so what we're doing now is we're subdividing the previous labels into this long, ever-getting longer list of letters, LGBTQ and all the rest of it.
	Yeah, that one you listed in your book, like, is that real?
	That's real, yeah.
	The gender fucks and all that?
	That's from an American university.
	It's extraordinary.
	God, I couldn't believe it.
	And you know, they'll just keep adding to them.
	But the thing is that we're now identifying the I Not just as human and limiting it to human, not just limiting it to man and woman or religion or race, we're limiting it to the fine detail of sexuality, the fine detail of race.
	And this does two things.
	One, it makes people's self-identity more and more myopic, and so you're not expanding into greater and greater senses of the infinite I, you're going into smaller and smaller kind of expressions of self-identity.
	And so you are becoming more and more limited the more you identify with the myopia, And more and more disconnected from the expansion of awareness that takes you to a space where you see it.
	Oh my God!
	Why didn't I see it before?
	How many people are saying that now, Scott?
	Why didn't I see it before?
	It's so obvious because you were there before.
	You were there before.
	You are only seeing the dots.
	Now you're seeing the tapestry, the picture, because you've expanded your awareness so that you can connect dots.
	That can't connect dots.
	It can only see dots, the nature of the five senses.
	And in terms of, you know, in terms of, you know, you said about the, you know, the Schwab's and the Gates' and people like that, they're really not like, Most humans.
	They're not.
	They're like software programs.
	Yeah.
	They're like a form of biological software program, and therefore they're following a program.
	And, you know, if you told a computer to abuse a child symbolically, would it have any compunction Not to do it.
	No.
	Because you've pressed enter.
	So it's going to do it.
	Because that's what it's programmed to do.
	So, there are no limits to what these people will do to humanity as a whole and individually, because the fail-safe mechanism on human behavior is empathy and compassion.
	If you can put yourself in the position of those you're affecting and emotionally perceive that, it limits what you will do.
	If you don't have the failsafe mechanism of empathy and compassion, these people don't, then there are no limits to what you would do.
	So when people say, oh, no, they'd never do that.
	No, mate, you would never do that.
	They'd get off on it, mate.
	And they do.
	And so I started looking at this when I've been researching this full time now for 32 years.
	And I thought, I started looking at, OK, you've got this simulation, right?
	So, OK, you might get caught once and you come into it.
	And you think, oh, God, bloody hell, I'm not coming here again.
	And you leave.
	Bye.
	But it's very clear when you look at the evidence that reincarnation is real.
	So people keep coming back.
	Consciousness keeps coming back.
	Why?
	Why the bloody hell would it come back here?
	And then I looked at the explanations that we get about reincarnation.
	And while I accept, yes, I think the phenomenon is real, yes.
	But the explanations, I think, are bloody ludicrous.
	According to mainstream science, planet Earth is the equivalent, compared with the perceived size of the universe, of a billionth of a pinhead.
	Now, what we're being told is, you have to keep returning to Earth to learn lessons, to reach a state of enlightenment, Where you don't have to do that anymore because you become enlightened and you can break the cycle, the reincarnation cycle.
	Okay, so let me just, let me get my head around this.
	So, we are an expression of infinite reality, right?
	Yeah.
	But, we have to keep reincarnating onto a billionth of a pinhead to become enlightened to the point where We can leave?
	Yeah.
	Well, wouldn't it help you to become enlightened if you came into the world through reincarnation again and retained a memory of the lessons you've already bloody learned?
	But we don't!
	We come in with a blank sheet of paper.
	Now some, especially young children, it seems to be a young child, maybe before the age of seven, have these memories.
	And I've read about them and watched documentaries on them for years and years and years as they come up.
	And they are extraordinarily compelling.
	You've got this little kid who can remember facts about their life and they've gone away
	and checked it out, what they've said, where they were, who they were, what they did,
	and it just turns out to be true.
	Again and again and again, it's absolutely fascinating.
	So I looked at this reincarnation thing and I thought, well, okay, I think it's real,
	but I think the explanation of it is Tosh.
	So what is really going on?
	And what's happened in my life, Scott, since I had my head blown off in a massive awakening in
	1990 is that my life has been a synchronistic journey
	that's worked basically like this.
	A new subject will come into my mind, or into my life, Oh, that's interesting.
	And then suddenly, bang!
	Information relating to that subject is coming at me from all angles.
	People I meet, things I read, things I see, things I experience.
	And that happened again in the writing of The Trap.
	When I started to go down this road of, what is this reincarnation?
	Because the Christians say there is no reincarnation and you're basically, you know, something unpleasant if you believe in it.
	And the Eastern religions say there is reincarnation.
	Well, I say they're both right, really, in the sense that in the great infinity of awareness beyond the simulation, there probably isn't a natural thing about reincarnation.
	But there is in the simulation.
	So what's going on?
	And this synchronicity of information started coming to me again and again and again.
	And I, for instance, read a lot of accounts of people who have been taken by hypnotherapists, etc., into what they call the between-life state, where they were going into memories deep, deep in the consciousness, not conscious to them.
	of what they experienced in the between life state, in other words, between human life state.
	And I looked at it.
	First of all, the themes were very compelling because they were so common, what they were saying.
	And two, I thought, I'm looking at another bloody hierarchy here.
	This is not freedom.
	What's going on?
	And then you start to you start to see how it works.
	The idea that you have to keep reincarnating onto a billionth of a pinhead to learn lessons to reach enlightenment to get out of here, for me, is nonsense.
	So let's put it another way.
	What if, and I think this is how it is, this level of the simulation that we experience as the human world is not the only one.
	There are other levels, other frequency realms of this, going into this astral dimension.
	And that what's happening is this non-human force has set up a trap where you experience the human world.
	You then, what we call, die.
	And you enter another realm that people call the spirit world.
	But that's just another level of the simulation.
	And you go into this other hierarchical world, as these people describe, like I say, with very common themes.
	And then you come back and you're going round and round.
	around. Now when you come in, your mind is basically wiped so you've got a
	basic a bank seat of paper apart from the few you know kids and they kind of
	kind of as they get older they kind of forget about it mostly. They lose that
	memory and so you're coming in each time not knowing about the other times.
	To you, this is the first time.
	And it keeps going on and on and on.
	And this cycle within this trap, this multi-level simulation, is generating, by the way it works, enormous amounts of low vibrational energy, which these characters are feeding on.
	It's their sustenance.
	It's their means of of survival and so you've got a situation and this is why this demonic realm is so terrified, terrified of being found out and humans realizing what the game is because they lose their energy source.
	You start feeling love and joy and happiness and breaking out of these low vibrational states.
	We start fighting among ourselves.
	We stop seeing ourselves as black or white or this sexuality or that sexuality.
	That's not who we are!
	That's what we're experiencing in a brief life called human.
	It's not what we are.
	But we have to be manipulated to believe that's what we are, so we'll go on generating the conflict, the chaos and the upheaval that generates the energy that they feed off.
	And so you have the esoteric concept, the old ancient esoteric concept of what's called the Ring Pass Knot.
	And the Ring Pass Knot is said to be a level, a frequency band if you like, beyond which you cannot go unless you are in a high enough state of frequency.
	And then you can go straight through it.
	Because to you it doesn't exist, just like a radio station going through another radio station, very different on the dial.
	The idea of this trap, I go into the detail in the book, is to keep humanity both in the body and out the body in a low vibrational state, low enough that you can't get through the ring pass knot.
	And that's why in, I think, their misunderstanding that Eastern religions talk about the fact that you have to keep reincarnating.
	To learn lessons to reach a state of enlightenment that allows you to leave.
	A state of enlightenment.
	What is that?
	A state of perception which generates a state of frequency which allows you to go through the ring pass, not get out of here.
	Everything's gin and tonic with a twist.
	You know, you have a truth and then they twist it and you lose the big story.
	The idea is to keep people in that low vibrational state.
	And that's why it's so important before people leave the body that they understand their true nature.
	That they're not human.
	That's just an experience.
	They're not a man, a woman, this sexuality, that sexuality, this race, that race.
	That's just an experience.
	And they're there to divide us.
	What we are is consciousness.
	An infinite, eternal state of consciousness, which can be the size of a pea, or the size of infinity, depending on how much you want to open yourself to the limitless of existence.
	And once you open yourself to a certain level, you're through the ring pass knot and you're out of this trap.
	So, you have the infinity of reality, and then you have this information construct in within which the human world works and the operates and the out of the human world operates.
	And you know, I go into the book, I talk about this another time maybe, but I go into the book in detail about how, what we call souls, consciousness, incarnate consciousness, but it's not even incarnate.
	That's one of the questions I had, but yeah, definitely.
	But, um, what, um, What happens is that AI, fourth-dimensional AI, is tracking every incarnation.
	So when a Christian leaves the body, and they have what they call a near-death experience when they leave the body and then their body's revived and they come back, they'll see Jesus.
	They may well see Jesus.
	You see lots of People saying they see Jesus.
	There's other people say they see Mohammed or Allah or whatever.
	But actually it's like a designer manipulation.
	And so they have this concept in the esoteric world that they call the Akashic Records.
	And it was a guy called Edgar Cayce who made this very popular at one time, the concept of the Akashic Records.
	And the Akashic Records are said to be a level where everything that happens in this world is recorded.
	Every thought, every conversation, everything is recorded.
	And I started reading, I came across these Akashic Records in 1990, but Never really got interested in them until I was writing the track Really Interesting.
	I started investigating this.
	And then you start seeing how the Akashic Records are being described symbolically.
	They say it's like a supercomputer program that's recording everything.
	And I thought, well, that's exactly what it is.
	Because the AI world that is coming in now to the 3D world is simply the fourth dimensional AI world artificial intelligence world coming in being brought in to our world it mirrors it and when you think where we where we've got already in our world our reality and you think it's nowhere near what's happening there in terms of AI potentiality
	And, you know, there's 8 billion people here now, 8 billion souls, if you like.
	And so people would listen to what I've said in the last few minutes, and they say, well, that's ridiculous.
	That's all far-fetched.
	Well, hold on a second.
	Hold on a second.
	How many people live in China?
	1.5 billion, right?
	And China, even with the level of technology that's going now, is tracking that vast population, overwhelmingly, certainly that lives in the cities, which is most in real time, tracking them, keeping a record on this, how the social credit system works.
	They track people.
	And so you and I use this analogy in the book.
	You look at what's possible with the level of AI that we have now.
	And I'll give you a simple example.
	Sat Nav.
	There are billions of cars all over the world now that you can connect into sat-nav and a voice is telling you where to go to get to your destination.
	Now it says go on the second exit of the roundabout.
	to your destination and you make a mistake and you turn off the first turning off the roundabout.
	How long does it take for the satnav to re-evaluate that you've gone on the wrong road
	and how fast does it re-evaluate where you need to go from there?
	It's almost, it's getting to be instant.
	Route recalculation, route recalculation.
	Go this, don't do that instead because of what you've just done.
	So, now think that that voice, AI, that's talking to you when you're going to your destination is talking to billions of other vehicles all over the world at the same time in real time.
	That's now here.
	So the idea that a consciousness incarnate incarnations cannot be tracked by AI that's vastly beyond anything we see now, but they're bringing it in stage by stage.
	That's why it's getting more and more sophisticated.
	That can do that, but Much more expanded AI, much more sophisticated AI, which goes actually out of the physical, cannot actually do that.
	Well, of course it can, and it is.
	And we're being tracked.
	The surveillance that's being introduced more and more all over the world is simply the 3D version of fourth dimensional surveillance that is following incarnations.
	It's just the same thing is coming into our world.
	And so, The way out of here is to realize that it's all bloody nonsense.
	All of it!
	Nonsense!
	All of it!
	The pursuit of success, the pursuit of more and more money, more and more fame, the I gotta, gotta, gotta world.
	It's all an illusion.
	It's all a trap.
	And we need to move to that reality, I would say, that understanding, that self-identity.
	But we are none of this.
	We are consciousness.
	If we want to open our awareness enough, infinite consciousness, ultimately, that's become trapped in a state of illusion and delusion called self-identity.
	The I Am Ours.
	You get someone, you know, they meet someone.
	Hello, nice to meet you.
	Who are you?
	What will they say?
	They'll give you their name, they'll give you their job, they might give you where they were born, their current location.
	They'll give you the labels of a human life.
	No one will say, Hello, who are you?
	Oh, I'm all it is, has been and ever can be.
	Having a brief human experience.
	Oh, I thought I recognized you.
	So am I. That's the point.
	We are all unique because we have unique experiences.
	We become unique expressions of this infinite awareness.
	But we're all unique expressions of the same awareness.
	It doesn't matter if you are black, you're white, you're Asian, you're whatever.
	You are the consciousness having the experience and you come and are the same consciousness that I am.
	And what the Black Lives Matter, why the Black Lives Matter movement is funded by white billionaires of the cult, like Soros, Demon, is because they want self-identity.
	With the color of your skin.
	They want racism.
	They must have racism or they don't have divide and rule through racism.
	They must have divide and rule between women and transgender activists and men.
	They must have it.
	They must have conflict between Ukraine and Russia.
	And America and world wars.
	They must have that.
	Because they can't control and generate the energy they need to sustain them, unless they do.
	And so, it's all about, in the end, self-identity.
	What do you call the I?
	And if you call the I labels of the human life, they got you.
	If you realize that you are consciousness, having a brief experience in an illusory reality, And all the trinkets and symbols of a human life are just illusions, then you can reach a state of awareness where you can get the bloody hell out of here once the body gives up.
	Wow.
	That's amazing.
	Well, bravo, bravo, David.
	Thank you so much.
	Well, I was going to say, I'm very grateful that your point of infinite awareness known as David Icke had a brief experience here on my little show, Rebunk News.
	So there you go.
	David Icke, man, thank you so much for everything and imparting this knowledge, writing this book.
	Like you are a very huge source of inspiration to myself, and I know countless, countless others out there.
	So if people want more, where can they follow and support you?
	Well, they can go to DavidIcke.com.
	That's my main hub with all my videos that I put up several times a week.
	We have the news stories of the day put in the context of what they really mean, as opposed to what we're told they mean.
	And there's also Iconic.
	I'm here now at the Iconic studio in Derby, England, which is a media platform which is just phenomenal.
	It's been created by us and it's just fantastic.
	It's not just conspiracy news and news programs and debate programs.
	It's full of documentaries.
	We've just launched a original iconic documentary called No Turning Back, which is exposing what's gone on at the Tavistock Clinic in London.
	In other words, exposing what's going on in hospitals across America now, as it's coming to light more and more in terms of the castration of children in this whole idea of Transgender, and you know, we had another hour, I could tell you what the transgender thing's all about.
	It again goes into this demonic realm and what they're trying to achieve, and now they're changing the body.
	And I actually spent the weekend, actually last Friday, in a place called the Hellfire Caves.
	And it's the location of something called the Hellfire Club, which was started by a guy, well there's a few of them now, but they started by a guy called Sir Francis Dashwood, who's one of these elite, on his estate at West Wycombe, which is about 35 miles north of London.
	And he dug these chalk caves a quarter of a mile into this big hill called West Wycombe Hill.
	On top of it is a mausoleum where all the dashwoods are buried and there's a big churchyard on the top of 300 yards, 300 feet rather, below that in the hill are these caves and this is where they went to and did for a long time, literally hundreds of years, take part in satanic rituals to sacrifice children and what have you.
	So it's full of demons and it's full of Trapped souls in that horrific situation.
	We went in there after the, you know, it's a bit of a tourist attraction now, but we went in there after after dark on Friday and had some amazing experiences.
	And it's going to be a Halloween special on Halloween on Iconic.
	And I can tell you having experienced the demons directly is They're a two stone weakling compared with humanity and consciousness in its pomp.
	And I've also done a film for Iconic, which is now being edited.
	It's well on the way.
	It's going out, you know, later this year called Albion Heart of the World.
	And it's about.
	It's the question, why is the British Isles, which you can hardly see on the bloody globe?
	has had such an amazing impact on history and still today in the shadows,
	not the government, but the secret society network.
	Why has it had such an impact on the world, such an influence on the direction of the world?
	And that too goes into the esoteric and it goes into the demonic.
	And there is a reason why Britain has punched massively, massively above its weight, its size in throughout known human history.
	And it's going to be a fascinating program, too.
	So we do lots of stuff like that, not just conspiracy.
	And, you know, it's it's a great platform.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	You can get a 7-day free trial, guys.
	Just go sign up today and get all this stuff.
	Wow, David.
	Well, thank you so much.
	Like I said, we could talk for hours and hours and hours.
	I had like 50 questions listed out here and I hope everybody goes and learns more.
	I had a lot of people reaching out before the interview and said, make sure you talk about the reptilians and all this stuff.
	And I'm like, he goes into it.
	He goes into it in the book.
	It's all in the book.
	Like, we don't have time here, but go.
	He's in the book, man.
	Go get it.
	So anyway, David, thank you so much.
	I'm afraid we're gonna get going on another rant, so I'm just gonna go ahead and end it here, but thank you so much for your time.
	I really appreciate you taking a little bit extra time today, and everybody go check out davidike.com, iconic.com, and hopefully we'll be able to do this again here sometime in the future.
	Great, Nate.
	Cheers, Scott.
	Bye.
	Thank you.
	The whole basis of the manipulation is to divide us.
	And it's to get us to judge each other, to hate each other, to envy each other, to compete with each other.
	It's to confuse people, especially the young, about their gender, who weren't confused before.
	That's what it's about!
	A lot of people don't carry cash anymore, and they're not grabbing credit cards either.
	Instead, they're using their smartphones.
	A currency that wouldn't be cash, it would be merely electronic, for which there are fundamental implications for human freedom.
	The United States is preparing for a war against Russia through Ukraine, and what they plan is to try to take Crimea back.
	The idea for this third world war is to involve Russia and China against the West.
	Stage one you create a problem.
	in China.
	The German medical supplies and physical products have been used to control the five vaccines
	and visionary power.
	Stage one you create a problem.
	It could be a manufactured virus.
	You want a reaction and you want them to either say do something or you want them to accept
	what the authorities suggest must be done.
	We've got to do something.
	you you
	So one of the agendas is to massively cull the population.
	They want to reduce the numbers.

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