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Sept. 9, 2022 - David Icke
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Right Now speaks to Jeannette and Jennifer of 'Partners for ethical care'
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This week on Right Now, Jeanette and Jennifer of Partners for Ethical Care join us from
Chicago to discuss how they're trying to stop the unethical treatment of children being
done under the banner of gender identity.
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We're joined now from Chicago, Illinois by Jeanette and Jennifer of Partners for Ethical Care.
The organisation was set up to raise awareness and support efforts to stop the unethical treatment of children under the duplicitous banner of gender identity.
Jeanette and Jennifer, welcome to the show.
Now, you both have individual stories of what led you to set up the organisation.
If we could start with you, Jeanette.
You lost custody of your daughter after you insisted that your daughter was a girl.
Can you tell us about that?
Yes, my daughter went to her dad's house for a regular visit.
I used to have her seven days a week, six nights a week.
She went to her dad's house for a visit.
I went to go pick her up and he refused to release her to my custody.
I then went to family court to get custody returned to me and we went through a series of things.
One of the things is my daughter kind of memorizing the list of criteria for gender dysphoria And then making herself into that, getting that diagnosis just like you probably could today, and I probably could today.
And then she gets diagnosed with gender dysphoria.
And then I'm not in compliance with the treatment plan that is called affirmation.
So I'm not going to affirm that she is not a girl.
And so then I am out of compliance with being what the court determines is a good parent.
So that is my crime, I suppose.
And that's why it's been three years and I have no custody, no decision making, no ability to contact my daughter other than through postal mail.
So I sent her letters.
I haven't received a response in probably over a year.
And I continue to parent in that way, kind of from a distance, I suppose.
So how old was your daughter at the time?
She was 12. She was just about to turn 13 and now she just celebrated her 16th birthday.
I think how I see it is she did what kind of is a normal teenage thing to try something.
You try on an identity, a kind of self that you're attempting and normally you have the adults around you kind of creating boundaries on that and saying that's a little too far or That's kind of fun.
That's cool. So there were no real guardrails to what she's done.
And there are no real guardrails to what a lot of children are doing.
They're actually getting pushed further outside of the bounds of what is considered, I think, healthy.
For children to experiment in terms of identity.
So, yeah, I think adults are actually somewhat encouraging this.
I think it's kind of self-serving on the part of adults.
They get a lot of good feelings out of this, like they're saving a child, when really that's kind of the opposite of what they're doing.
That sounds extraordinary to me.
The idea that a good parent is someone that just says, yeah, fill your boots, do what you like, and doesn't actually kind of give any advice from the fact that you've been on the planet longer, you've seen more, you've got more experiences.
It seems extraordinary to me.
Jennifer, your story is slightly different to that in the sense that you got a phone call or an email from a male teacher who referred to your...
Daughter, using a different name, to which you obviously thought, you know, you're talking about the wrong person, but they were talking about your daughter.
So what happened there?
Well, yes, that's what happened.
My daughter was 10.
She was in fifth grade in elementary school.
And it was the beginning of the year and he sent me that email.
And I thought, yes, I thought he had the wrong person.
But I went to her and I asked her, you know, I saw that she had written this name on her dresser.
And I asked her if it was a new nickname because it was similar, but kind of an androgynous name.
And she said yes, so I figured, okay, I didn't really think much more about it, except for that I thought it was weird that he just came in with this new name without any explanation.
So, fast forward a few months into the year, she talked to a friend and used the words cutting and suicide, and Yeah, and I got a call from the therapist who recommended a, sorry, the school counselor, who recommended a therapist that was contracted with the school, who I had to go in and give permission for our daughter to see this therapist because she was under 13.
And she saw her for two and a half months.
And I did not know that the school at the beginning of the year were using male pronouns and this name.
And so was the therapist from the first half hour she sat down with our daughter.
And I asked several times throughout their sessions together, which were a half hour session once a week for two and a half months.
So a total of five hours.
And this therapist really never told me anything until she called me after the two and a half months and explained to me, well, was trying to set up a meeting with my husband and I, and she was using male pronouns and this name in this phone call.
And she wanted to have a meeting with us to help our daughter come out to us as a boy.
She gave us three days to process this.
And, you know, that was very concerning.
Also, she let me know that our daughter had, she said that our daughter said that she wanted to be in the boys' cabin for an overnight camping trip.
They do every year for fifth grade.
And we were not going to let her do that.
There's many reasons. Yeah, but what I found out later was that this teacher actually asked her if she wanted to be in the boy's cabin, which I had no idea that that happened.
I, you know, I have since talked to my daughter about many of the things that have happened, and she is desisted now, so she does not believe she's a boy.
All of which I think happened because we pulled her out of school.
We took away all of her devices.
And, you know, she wasn't part of the same friend group anymore that was all LGBTQ identifying.
So we pulled her out of all the influences.
And then she desisted.
That's the term for someone who goes back to feeling like they're, you know, comfortable with their sex.
See, to me then, it's just she's a young girl who's trying to fit in.
She was, absolutely.
Which is what young kids do.
They do. She was trying something.
And I will also say she is what you would call, you know, a tomboy.
So she didn't feel particularly feminine, you know.
And so she hears all these ideas online and in school and And she thinks, yeah, I guess maybe I am a boy.
You know, I think this is happening to a lot of kids.
They're being taught these things.
You know, a lot of them are hearing it online, but now they're learning it in school as young as kindergarten, that, you know, the doctor guesses what sex they are.
And they have sometimes teachers saying, Well, if you don't like, you know, dress, I didn't like dresses and I didn't like, you know, I like trucks or whatever, right?
And I'm non-binary or, you know, I'm transgender.
And these kids think, well, huh, you know, maybe I am too.
Maybe I'm not really a girl or maybe I'm not really a boy, you know, based on all these things that they're hearing, which you can't get away from now.
It's everywhere. No, it is everywhere.
And they're so impressionable. I mean, most of my friendship group, I think, growing up were tomboys.
You know, we would play football together and these girls are, you know, married with kids now.
Like, there was never any question of the fact that actually there was an identity crisis.
It was just like, I like football, but I'm still a woman, you know.
So I can't imagine what they'd be like now.
I want to make one more point about my story because it was really...
There's the teacher asking our daughter if she wanted to be in the boys' cabin.
You know, when I asked her about that later, I asked her, you know, what gave her that idea?
What made her want to do that?
And she said it wasn't her idea.
The teacher asked her.
And she didn't want to be in the boys' cabin.
She wanted to be in the cabin with her friends, the girls.
And shortly after that, I remember her saying to me that she didn't even want to go to the camp, which, of course, I was just fine with.
But this teacher did not realize, I actually believe that he meant well, I think.
But he was leading my daughter.
He put her in a very awkward position, and she felt like she had to answer a particular way.
She was trying to please the adults.
She had asked the entire school and everyone to make these accommodations for her, to change the way they speak about her and perceive her.
And when he asked her this question, she felt like she had to answer yes.
So he was leading her.
Your cases, they're not rare now, are they?
I looked obviously on your website, there's a section there where you're asking other parents to tell their stories.
I mean, just how common is this becoming now?
Very common. I mean, you know, I don't know what the percentage of kids coming out as the opposite sex is now.
I think it's pretty high.
Anecdotally, I can see it's pretty high.
I see all kinds of kids in our neighborhood.
And if you don't go, you know, if you don't affirm, you are going against the grain.
You're going to... It's not easy to be a parent who questions this.
You aren't allowed to question.
That means you're a bigot and you're hateful and you're...
Actually, they almost say abusive of your child.
They treat you as if you are an abuser.
Have you faced backlash, both of you, for speaking out like this?
That's a good question. That is a good question.
Yeah, I guess what we've created for ourselves is a social support system that supports our values.
I talk about this, I run a very large Facebook group for parents who are concerned about this issue, about their child identifying as trans or non-binary or whatever it is, somewhere on that.
And that Facebook group kind of grows and grows by 30 to 70 people nearly every day.
And those are just people who are concerned that their child has recently come out.
And it's pretty fast that it's happening.
A real exponential growth.
But what we create in that group and what we create for ourselves is I see parents who are actually parenting intentionally, meaning they're thinking long term about their own child's health and wellness.
They're not just kind of living in that moment of their child's distress and saying, what can I do to make them not upset?
So what we have is a group of parents, concerned parents who are actually thinking more about their own family stability, living with more intention, kind of figuring out what do I value and how do I want to proliferate those values in my child's life.
And it is really a long-term thing.
What we see in affirming parents is that they're not able to cope with the distress of their own child.
They cannot bear to be around a child in distress and sit with them, kind of accompany them or walk with them through that distress.
And what we see with parents who are kind of questioning what's going on is they are able to cope.
And the way that we do that Is that we we kind of gather together, we share resources, we share ideas with each other, like Jennifer was talking about ideas about, okay, I don't want to remove all of the social connections of my child, but their online social connections are not healthy.
So how can I Still have my child have social connections, but not have it online in this kind of impersonal way.
And we share ideas around that, how to substitute other things, things that our children really need in their lives, but in healthier ways.
So we have a social support group, and more and more people kind of join it every day because what they see is that their children are not happy, healthy, and thriving in these identities.
It's not actually serving.
Maybe in the short term, just like a candy bar in the checkout aisle, It does make your child kind of be quiet for a little bit, but that child is going to turn out to be very unhealthy later.
So we do have that social support network.
It is growing, and so part of Partners for Ethical Care's work is parents come to us, all kinds of people come to us, medical and mental health professionals, and we tell them, like, you are not alone.
You are not the only one who is kind of questioning what's going on and questioning whether or not it is healthy for children.
There are thousands and thousands and thousands of us.
It should be every parent.
You know the idea that you're saying, you know, you're preparing a child long-term, as if that's kind of, oh, that's a bit of a left-field way of thinking.
It's like, but that's your job, like, is to get them to adulthood, basically, unscathed, or as unscathed as possible, and then they can do what they like then, because, you know, they're adults.
I mean, I think that probably one of the biggest kick-offs my daughter, who's four now, ever made at me was when she was a toddler, because I wouldn't let her eat a battery.
And it's like, do you know what? I could have got quite a short-term fix there.
I could have made a smile and then, you know, spent the rest of the week in the hospital.
It's insane. What do you think all this is...
And I know this is a million-dollar question, but what do you think all of this is about?
Because this whole explosion of gender identity, it feels like an attack on kids, from my point of view.
Drag queen story at a time, all these things that are being exported around the world that feels very much like a sexualisation of children.
From what mindset do you think that comes from and why do you think governments all over the world, including ours now in the UK, are adopting this?
I mean, what do you think? I think it's being pushed.
I think there are people with agendas.
I think there are people who want to make money.
You know, I think there's probably more than one thing going on, but it's a lot of people with agendas, political or financial, I think, that are really infusing all of these ideas into our culture.
Isn't it weird that these drag shows for kids and family-friendly drag shows have been happening all over the world all of a sudden?
What's that about? I think that's pretty strange.
That never happened before.
All of a sudden, now that's a thing.
I think there are people who have an agenda.
Many agendas, maybe.
Yeah, I mean, we know that America runs off of money.
I mean, there is so much money being made off of.
It used to be made off of kind of the insecurity of women.
It was pretty easy to go through any sort of store or checkout aisle and realize like, oh, I need to make myself prettier in X number of ways by spending money on all kinds of things.
That's why we don't have cigarette ads with the sexy female with the cigarette anymore, because that was some sort of selling point.
And we're seeing the same thing.
Gender is an industry.
That's what it is.
We call it Gender Inc.
It is manufacturing trans kids.
And it used to be happening with women.
We used to push back against this idea.
And there are all kinds of companies that had campaigns about natural women.
And they would still sell you stuff to make you natural.
That's crazy. And that's what we're doing to kids.
We're saying to be your authentic self.
You have to spend tons of money, or your insurance does, so that you can be authentic.
That doesn't make sense, actually.
But gosh, somebody makes a lot of money off of that.
And I don't think they're thinking under this, gosh, I'm going to make a lot of money off of the distress of children.
I don't think that they're thinking that.
I think that they cannot cope with watching people be uncomfortable.
I think that it makes them uncomfortable and they can't take it.
But I think it takes a healthy adult to be around somebody who says, you know, I see that you're uncomfortable and it gets better.
You're going to be all right.
I've been through this period and it sucks.
It's awful. And it gets better.
And I'm going to stay here with you until it does.
But you don't have to spend any money.
And money isn't going to solve that problem.
I think that that's the other thing that That people have to realize, particularly in America, around this consumer culture, is that we think money can solve every problem, and the fact is it cannot.
It cannot. I mean, money can buy me a stranger to give me a hug, and it's not going to feel like a friend.
It's just not. So true.
This is sold as a panacea to children, you know, for many different issues they might be having, even just the discomfort of adolescence, of going through puberty.
And You know, it's obviously not solving that problem.
It's like chasing a rainbow.
They're never going to make it to that pot of gold.
And so they keep doing the next thing.
You know, they try the binder.
They take the drugs.
That doesn't make them feel better.
And then they go on and they do the surgeries.
And they usually, you know, we know that the detransitioners They usually figure out that it wasn't the right thing for them in their mid 20s when their brain finishes developing.
Yeah. It is a billion dollar industry now, with the pharmaceuticals involved.
But also, you know, it's like you said there, Jeanette, about your authentic self.
It's like, being a kid is hard.
I remember, I always believed it was harder for girls, if I'm honest.
But even as a boy, it is difficult.
You're trying to find yourself. You don't really know who you are or what your place is in the world.
And then someone comes along and says, you know what, you can be your true self by completely altering yourself.
It's completely...
It feels like a backward way of looking at it, but it seems to be the thing now.
And obviously they seem to have, the activists at least, seem to have the microphones, which is very frustrating.
But thank you so much for talking to us, and thanks for what you're doing.
But people at home now that...
Because I'm assuming your Facebook group, it's not just US. You're open to parents worldwide.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, concerned parents...
Yeah, Concerned Parents of Transgender and Nonbinary Kids, Teens and Young Adults on Facebook.
It's a group that doesn't have an affiliation with Partners for Ethical Care.
It's just a group of parents who are concerned about this issue and they're interested in kind of finding healthy ways to parent their children.
And so it's a group that we just ask any question.
We're really open to any question and people just kind of have dialogue, true dialogue.
It's a really wonderful group with actual real dialogue.
It's not like other social media kind of where people are bickering at each other.
We moderate it and it's really compassionate and very curious.
So we're interested to ask questions and really kind of explore ideas.
That's great. Well, thank you so much for talking to us.
Thanks for everything that you're doing as well.
It's great to actually be able to talk about this sort of stuff now because it wasn't that long ago that it was completely off the table and you couldn't have a conversation.
So thank you for coming on.
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