Right Now - Life Coach Richard Grannon Talks About How Governments Are Abusing Their People
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On this week's Right Now, author and filmmaker Baptiste Dippac talks to us about the importance
of following your heart as a way of navigating these challenging times. Psychology expert
Richard Granon is in the Right Now studio talking about the global narcissistic abuse
of the last two years and his new documentary that he's making on the subject, For Iconic.
Dr. David Clements tells us about his anti-5G technology.
Geoengineering Watch's Dane Wigington tells us about climate engineering and we screen the first
in a series of interviews from James Freeman recorded at the recent Better Way
conference in the UK.
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Right now, for Iconic, I'm David Clements. Thank you for watching. And I'm Richard Granon.
Hello and welcome to Right Now.
It's the Queen's Platinum Jubilee.
At a time when the country has been plunged into a life-shattering cost-of-living crisis, many people will be taking to the streets, spending what little hard-earned money the energy companies haven't yet taken from them, to celebrate being ruled over for 70 years by an unelected woman, whose position of extreme privilege is based purely on the assumption that her genes are from better stock than the masses.
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Now, looking at the state of the royals, I see very little evidence for this so-called superior genealogy, but nevertheless, it means she sits upon a golden throne.
She rides in a golden carriage and receives £88 million of taxpayer money per year, despite having an estimated personal wealth of around £275 million.
Not to mention the crown jewels.
They're worth about £4 billion.
That's not bad. For a benefit, scrounger.
But the people own the crown jewels, I hear you cry.
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Our next guest is also here to talk about solutions after the crazy events of the last two years.
Richard Grannon is an expert on narcissists, narcissistic abuse and how to thrive and survive in a narcissistic society and culture.
In 2020 he made an exclusive series for Iconic called The R Complex and he's currently filming a special one-off documentary for us called Portrait of a Narcissist which goes into considerably more detail.
On the subject, he's got a forensic take on the gaslighting, lying and madness that's taken place globally over the last two years and we're delighted to welcome him to the Right Now studio.
Welcome Richard. It's great to see you mate.
Can you tell us about the documentary?
Yeah, what we're doing with the documentary is we're taking a look at narcissistic personality disorder and its structure, and particularly the mechanics of how narcissistic abuse plays out, cutting through a lot of the psychiatric jargon, making it as understandable as we possibly can, but without losing the nuance.
And then we're particularly focused on the way in which narcissistically abusive relationships don't just play out between individuals but can play out between governments and the people that they are governing.
So that's the focus of this documentary.
So the last two years then is a perfect example of governments abusing its people?
I would say so.
I mean, you can see that in multiple places across the world, particularly in the UK and in America.
The effort to plunge us into a narcissistically delusional and grandiose narrative that obfuscates the truth of the situation, I think is undeniable.
I think even the most diehard supporters of lockdowns and vaccinations would struggle to deny that the level of spin and the level of propaganda we've been subjected to has been unprecedented.
I mean, our mainstream media, largely across the board, certainly in the UK, fell into line with this protocol lockstep in a way that it's unprecedented.
Historically, we've never seen that before.
And we were being lied to.
In a way that was specifically there to induce a certain set of behavioural responses and emotional responses.
Well, if that isn't narcissistic abuse, I don't know what is.
So is part of the reason for making the documentary then to basically alert people to what narcissism is so then basically they can spot it?
Because a lot of people, including myself, have wondered how have people been so easily controlled over the last two years?
But maybe it's because they haven't realised they're being controlled.
Yeah, they don't. I think the overwhelming majority didn't realise it, which was disturbing.
For those of us who did, it was very frustrating because we were like, well, why can't you see this?
And we thought, you know, you're going along with your neighbours and your friends, maybe even family members, and you think you're all on the same page.
And something like this happens and you think, no, we're on dramatically different pages here.
So people's responses to the crisis were incredibly polarised and then the responses became polarising and I didn't expect it.
I thought it was obvious what was happening and I couldn't believe that other people didn't.
When we think about narcissism, typically people think about an abusive relationship, a man who's not very nice to his girlfriend, a girlfriend who is whatever to her partner, and what they don't see is that narcissism is fundamentally rooted in the delusional view of reality.
It's a no. It's a denial.
Narcissism is a denial.
So not only are we the targets of narcissistic abuse, but it induced a narcissistic response in the population.
This delusional no, it's like a toddler saying, no, no, no, no matter what you say to them, because it's rooted in emotion, they just say no, and they block out any data or any facts That would countervane their view of what's happening.
This was massaged. This was deliberate.
We know this because the government team that was designed there to respond to the crisis was made up of, I think, 85% of them were psychologists.
Not doctors. They were behavioral engineers.
The whole purpose of the exercise was to control the response of the population.
The narcissist plunges us into a delusional reality that is aggrandizing both for the narcissist and for the target.
So it's kind of like being a heroin dealer.
You get somebody hooked in slow doses to the very thing that you yourself are hooked to as well so that you're both trapped in this addictive cycle.
Once you've committed to it, you can't go back.
I mean, the people who've already lived their lives and had an impact on their own lives, their children's lives, the lives of their family, their bank account, the economy, how are they supposed to wind that back now?
The level of humility and self-awareness that would take would be huge.
So now they're committed.
My fear, I think all of us have a fear, that the next crisis these people are pre-conditioned to go straight into absolute learned helplessness and submission.
That was one thing that I noticed when there was almost like a supposed sort of forensic view about the lockdowns and all that came from it was actually they should have locked down quicker.
And I remember thinking at the time, that's prep.
Oh absolutely, 100%.
So when I look from a psychological point of view, If I was watching a couple argue to try and figure out where the problems were in the relationship or I'm listening to a therapist talk to the client, you start looking at what are the overarching themes here and what's the core message that's being delivered from client to therapist or therapist to client, from abuser to abusee.
What's the core message here?
And you're absolutely right in identifying that one of the core messages we walk away from this high stress conflict situation with is We would be more safe if we did more obedience and more locking down and less freedom.
And that then the brain works at an unconscious level and goes, so freedom is danger?
Yes, freedom is danger.
So obedience is safety?
Yes, obedience is safety.
It's a rewiring at the deepest unconscious levels.
It's very, very troubling.
I'm very Orwellian.
Just the wording, you just think, you know, that is exactly, you know, freedom, slavery, etc.
One thing that I've kind of...
I've asked myself over the last two years, but I've heard so many people asking the same question, which is, why is it I saw this from the beginning?
And other people, after 18 months to two years of it, where it's become so obvious, still can't see it.
And I've seen a theory where, basically, people that can see through things almost immediately...
Have had some past trauma, whether it be physical trauma abuse, narcissistic abuse against them.
Do you subscribe to that theory?
I think for a lot of us, the last two years challenged a lot of my old beliefs about myself, my place in the world, politics.
It really moved things around.
So I was always of the view, a generally left-leaning view in psychology, that everything is cultural, everything is learned.
I'm very much on the nurture side of the debate.
But such was the vehemence and the visceral response to the threat that I started to wonder if there wasn't a genetic component to this.
I was like, it seems like some people are genetically predisposed to flip into obedience in the face of crisis and collectivism.
So there was like a collectivist, obedient response fostered by the government.
We're in this together. Do as you're told.
Even the stupid, like, eat out to help out.
I'm like, I personally don't want to be spoken to like a child.
It doesn't reassure me.
It makes me very worried.
It increases my anxiety because I'm like, what are you trying to do to me?
Screepy. But other people found it wonderful and they really enjoyed it.
Make no mistake, some people loved the lockdowns.
They loved the masking.
They loved gloving up. They loved telling on their neighbours.
They got something from it.
And after this, With the level of unreason that I saw, it was so visceral and so strong.
I was like, I think there's a biological element to this.
The first time in my life I've thought this way.
This seems genetic. And there is a different group of people, yes, in terms of epidemiology perhaps, because we've been exposed to narcissistic abuse before.
We know that this kind of thing can play out.
I agree. And trauma can change the expression of genes, of course.
I saw a different group of people who were not...
I wasn't WhatsApping you saying, I'm not sure about this.
What do you think? It was instant.
It was like, this is bullshit.
From day one, we knew.
You absolutely knew.
I remember we were having the conversations And it wasn't like, oh, let's wait and see.
It was like, no, this is clearly a lie.
And that also was such a visceral, biological in the body, somatic response, and being lied to, straight away, that I started to wonder if there's actually a genetic component to this.
almost like then like a like a I know I hear the terms of non-player character a lot but almost like there's a certain part of society that is almost a non-player character so when something happens like that there is a switch that they then go into that mode of just following yes yes interesting that you raise the NPC element There isn't much of this in psychology, but in philosophy.
So you look at Kierkegaard's ideas, Nietzsche's ideas, the idea of the mass man, or the last man, the people who have just fallen to pleasure, they've fallen to consumption, they've fallen to submission to authority, basically. And in a sense, and there is a psychological argument, a psycho-biological argument that's being built for this currently, some people aren't really people.
There aren't actually individuals in any meaningful sense anymore.
They're not a person.
They're an entity.
They're human beings. I'm not saying they don't have rights.
It's not like a eugenics thing.
They have rights and everything, but the individuality, the spark, the spirit isn't there.
And they just kind of shuffle along, Netflix, Uber Eats, what are we doing today?
We're clapping for the NHS, bang your pots and pans on a Thursday.
And they just did it. They just did it.
Now, I would add to that, I did also see people that went along with it in the beginning, and after two years of how absurd, like it got, what we were being asked to believe just got so silly that even they eventually, which was nice to see right here, actually the protest movements got stronger and grew.
Grew and grew. And it seemed to grow overnight.
I think London was a great example.
I think one month, I'm trying to remember the month, it might have been July.
There was about 650 people in London and the next month it was 35,000.
I mean, it was... Wow.
Yeah. It just exploded. Yes.
Because... Which is the good side and maybe there's a genetic component to this as well where we say, well, it's the environmental pressures bring out new elements in us and maybe we need this as a human species.
We need hard times.
We need a little bit... Of Orwellianism to come in.
We need to feel the jackboot bearing down on us.
We need these Cathca-esque double vines to be trapped inside of.
At the end of the day, if you stop people from living their normal lives, if you stop them from just raising their children and, I don't know, taking a couple of holidays a year the way that they were raised to believe they would be able to, Eventually they're going to get their stuff.
And it's funny the way all of this just disappeared.
Like the lockdowns disappeared, the response to it disappeared.
It sort of melts away very, very quickly.
And I was like, oh that's interesting because I really felt like We were getting to the point where there was going to be an authentic rebellion.
And it was almost as if the psychopath had gone, I'll push you, I'll push you, I'll push you.
They're going to fight back.
Ah, leave it. Release the valve.
Let's let go of it.
Because they will no longer submit.
So what we were saying from the beginning was the lockdowns will go on as long as we let them.
This was frustrating.
People thought that was...
Just a narrative, just a cool slogan.
And it wasn't. We were literally saying, it will only go on as long as you permit this.
We, humanity, is doing this to ourselves.
It's not necessary.
You don't have to do it.
If you keep obeying, they'll keep doing it.
And then I think that message got through.
I think eventually it did get through.
I was very disappointed with the British response in the beginning, but then very impressed with the British response in the end, because I was traveling throughout this whole thing.
I didn't give a shit. If I could get into a country, I was going.
And of all the countries, not at first, the British response was really disturbingly cowardly as a generalisation at first, but in the end it was wonderful because people were just going, I'm not doing it.
And it wasn't, the Brits are not performative people.
It's not so much like, I'm going to show that I'm not doing it.
The British response is, no, I'm not doing it.
That's just not happening. No.
British people get bored as well.
So I'm done with this now.
For me, what was the turning point was the Christmas.
So they were putting feelers out that they were going to lock down for Christmas and New Year and there were government polls galore and the polls were just coming back with the population going, no chance mate, good luck.
And they knew then that if they tried to lock down and the people ignored it, the dynamic, power had shifted and it had gone.
Right, you look ridiculous, don't you?
You're the dictator going, you will all now do this!
And everybody just goes, not even...
At the point where the people are going, we defy you, we won't do it, they're still taking you seriously.
But they were laughing.
They were like, haha, no we're not.
You screwed them.
You're going to look totally impotent publicly.
And I think they realised that and then they stopped doing it.
And I'm like, well then, we're not following the science, we're following the PR. We're following public opinion.
I'm not going to swear on your show.
Get out of my face with this follow the science nonsense.
Total nonsense. This isn't research-based.
This isn't peer-reviewed.
These aren't epidemiologists saying this.
This is PR, polling.
We've made the decision on the basis of polling.
Will it be a popular decision or not?
Come on now. The whole thing has been about psychology, not virology.
I want to go back to something you said a moment before which actually leads me then into the next question was you were talking about the fact that if people are almost allowed to be comfortable to a certain degree and actually maybe it is a good thing that they're forced into to not be and it feels like what I was getting in my head when you were explaining that was like People are living almost like, say, a 6 out of 10 existence, but with the potential to have a 10 out of 10 existence, or if it's spinal tap, an 11 out of 10 existence.
And so maybe actually in a kind of a way, as horrible as it is, that being taken down to that 1, 2 out of 10 existence is actually going to Yeah.
Actually work out as a good thing.
And so the question I was going to ask is, the positive is that a lot of people have woken up to this kind of stuff.
So those people that are watching this and thinking, well, I see through it, you know, I'm prepared now if it's monkeypox or...
Cowpox or whatever the next one is, I'm going to see through it, but what can I do about it to prepare myself emotionally and mentally?
Because even for people like me and you that saw through it, it was hard.
Yeah, absolutely.
The mental health issues went through the roof.
At some point in 2021, I had a pretty much like a three-month nervous breakdown.
And I thought I was fine, which of course everybody, a lot of people have nervous breakdowns.
They're like, oh, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine.
Bang. And it was, when I look back, I didn't realize I was becoming psychotic.
And a lot of us have become psychotic.
It's great. We now live in a world of psychotics.
Now, when I say psychotic, I don't mean I was completely hallucinating and couldn't distinguish reality from fantasy.
Because I went into therapy, of course, I reviewed my decision-making process and I was like, wow, that's strange.
And you know what I was doing? I was isolating.
So for all my defiance and all my rebellion, the essence of why I got sick was because I went to Ibiza and locked myself up in a room for three or four months to finish writing a book, was the story I was telling myself.
And I went completely mad.
So I was like, wow, I actually did as I was told.
And how can I not?
As a human being, we operate in tribes.
We're not really individuals. It's a fantasy of the modern world, is that we can be understood solely as individuals.
We really only get understood through our relationships with one another.
And because everybody I knew, and the rest of humanity had gone into this isolation thing, on some level I'd internalized the idea, isolation is good, isolation is okay.
Isolation, let's be clear, from a psychological, physiological point of view, is torture.
It is used in torture.
When we want to punish the toughest, hardest, nastiest prisoners in the world, our ultimate sanction is isolation.
You stick them in isolation because we know the pain it inflicts, not just psychologically but physically, your hormones change.
So yeah, people definitely went crazy during that and I was one of them.
I went crazy. Do you see it almost now in terms of maybe the last two years has been a gift in a way and it might sound stupid to people at home that are listening to that going, you're having a laugh mate, I lost my job.
I don't mean it in that way but that maybe as a result of this that actually some positive things will come from it.
I do believe that.
I do think that the net effect will be positive and I always think it depends on the timeline.
Like humanity is moving in a certain direction.
We might do, let's say, let's say something ridiculous, we might do a thousand years of dictatorship.
There could be a fourth or a fifth Reich that works and we go into Oligarchism for the elites, the feudal lords, and hardcore communism for me and you, the peasants.
And we end up with that two-tier system again.
And let's say it lasts a thousand years.
Let's say it lasts two thousand.
In the end, we will still break free from it because it's our destiny.
I personally wouldn't like a thousand years of dictatorship.
I'd rather we just get to the point we're supposed to get to a little bit faster than that.
And I do think that's an option. I do think that's on the cards.
Instances like this, historical instances like this, do present us with markers that are opportunities for real spiritual growth.
Now, given how long you've been doing what you've been doing, can you very quickly spot a narcissist?
Whether it be an individual or as a society?
I'm pretty good.
I mean, there is a difference between narcissistic personality disorder and just people who've had their narcissism dialed up.
And I think that the confounding thing in our culture is there's a lot of background noise.
That makes it harder to distinguish the narcissistic personality disorder.
The background noise is the fact that all of us have had our narcissism deliberately dialed up.
Humility is dialed down, entitlement goes up, impulse control goes down.
And if you look at the specific psychological attributes that make us Better consumers and more obedient to authority, we breed a culture of narcissistic psychopathy, and it's not dissimilar to what was experienced in Germany in the late 30s.
The cultural coordinates of Germany in the late 30s were such that if you were not a narcissistic psychopath, you were a bad fit for the culture, and you'd either get thrown out or they'd execute you.
I mean, even as a German, you'd just have your head cut off.
And I see us moving in that direction now where we're chopping people's heads off just yet.
Give it time. Give it time.
It can happen.
People should not assume that that's not a possibility.
But we are cultivating a culture of narcissistic psychopathy.
So then you say to me, can you spot the narcissist?
And I'm like... How do you see the vampire if everybody's half addicted to blood?
It is getting harder because there's no contrast, there's no distinction.
But yes, I can see when somebody's hardcore, committed to a delusional version of themselves and completely addicted to drinking their own milkshake, as it were.
Well, your documentary Portrait of a Narcissist is out in the autumn.