May 6, 2022 - David Icke
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| This week on Iconic's news and current affairs show right now. | |
| Epstein survivor Juliette Bryant tells us what life was like on Epstein Island and how she managed to get away. | |
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| Our final guest this evening is a woman who experienced two years of hell with the paedophile and sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein. | |
| Juliette Bryant met Epstein in South Africa in 2002 when she was just 20 years old. | |
| She was lured into his orbit by a woman promising to help her with her modelling career. | |
| It's the usual story. | |
| Epstein invited her to dinner with Bill Clinton and two Hollywood celebrities. | |
| She said he seemed credible at first. | |
| However, she was soon flown to Epstein's private island where she was repeatedly raped and assaulted by the billionaire. | |
| The abuse continued at Epstein's other homes around the world in 2004. | |
| Juliet first spoke out about what she endured in a 2019 lawsuit. | |
| She also recently told her story in a documentary about Ghislaine Maxwell and the Maxwell family. | |
| She joins us from South Africa now and we're honoured to have her on the show. | |
| Juliet, a very warm welcome to Right Now. | |
| You've been through so much it's hard to know where to begin but Can you tell us about meeting Epstein and how he seemed credible at the start? | |
| Hi, Gareth. Thank you for having me on your show. | |
| You know, it was just so crazy, the whole thing. | |
| I was out at a bar with a friend of mine, like a restaurant bar, and then this woman approached me. | |
| She was a beautiful, tall, Egyptian-looking African-American woman. | |
| And she was, and she asked if I was a model as well. | |
| And I said, yes, cause I just started modeling. | |
| And then she took us, um, she asked me, oh, sorry, she asked me if I wanted to meet, um, this man who she knew who was here. | |
| He, she said he was the King of America and He owned Victoria's Secret, and he had his own private island in the Caribbean. | |
| And she said that he would be able to help this morning career. | |
| So I was obviously very keen, even seen us in life. | |
| So I was just like, wow, like all my dreams coming true. | |
| So we went off to meet them at a restaurant where they were eating dinner. | |
| And they were all sitting there and they all stood up during their meal. | |
| And they shook my hand. Well, all of them, Bill Clinton held onto my hand for a long time. | |
| It was weird. And he started talking to someone else while he was holding onto my hand. | |
| And I remember just being like, oh my God, like why are these people even interested in meeting me? | |
| I just felt like such a, you know, I was so young and inexperienced and I was just like thrown into all these people. | |
| It was just like, Hectic. | |
| I felt like I was dreaming. | |
| And then, yeah, so then he wanted to see my modeling book. | |
| He said the girl Naja phone after we left the restaurant, she called and she said that he really liked me and he wanted to see my modeling book the next day. | |
| And then they also asked if I wanted to come watch Clinton's speech at a university in Cape Town. | |
| So I was like, yeah, I'd love to come. | |
| So we went along to watch the speech. | |
| And there were just police all around the whole of the Cape Town Highway was closed off. | |
| I was, it was just like more of a dream than the night before even. | |
| It was just getting more and more bizarre, I suppose. | |
| And then I went into the, after we got back from the speech, I took my modeling books. | |
| I had it in my car. I went into the hotel rooms, my modeling book, and they had a whole like casting set up. | |
| And there were these three women like waiting to look at my book. | |
| So, because I'd been to a few castings, so it was sort of what I'd expected from a casting. | |
| And then they paged through my book and they asked me all the questions one would expect. | |
| And then they said, you can go through and see Epstein now. | |
| Also, while we were doing the casting, Bill Clinton walked through the door behind me. | |
| We had come in and he was like, hi guys. | |
| And he just walked through to another room, which went off to the left. | |
| It was like a big adjoining suite. | |
| So anyway, then I went through to Epstein with my book and then he looked at my pictures and he said, you have the most stunning figure I've ever seen and you're perfect for Victoria's Secret. | |
| He told me that his friend Les Wexner owned it. | |
| So at the time I sort of assumed that they probably owned it together because I didn't really know any better. | |
| So, yeah, then I left and then this office started contacting me and they arranged me a visa and they bought me a ticket to get to America. | |
| And I just was like, oh my God, this is incredible. | |
| It was like, I just couldn't believe it. | |
| It was like everything in my, all my dreams are coming too. | |
| So I thought, It must have felt like a dream at that time. | |
| The Clinton Foundation said that the former president had no idea about what Epstein was up to. | |
| Do you believe that given how close they were when you met them? | |
| Not at all. They seemed like very good friends. | |
| They were very close. You could see they were very comfortable with each other. | |
| I didn't see them together a huge amount, but I saw them together on those, you know, two days when they were here. | |
| And it definitely looked like they were also sharing that hotel suite because, you know, why else would Clinton have come in there and gone off to the room? | |
| Of course. They were definitely close. | |
| Of course. What was life like on the island? | |
| Because obviously you were flown out to Epstein's Island. | |
| Well, it was very confusing, to be honest. | |
| Coming from Africa and You know, also well, and also just frightening because of like, I didn't know what the hell was going on because I thought I was going to New York to model. | |
| I thought I was gonna be staying in a hotel. | |
| I mean, not a hotel room, a model apartment. | |
| They gave me the address of the apartment I'd be staying in. | |
| I even packed a towel, you know, when I took, I've got my, my diary from that year and I've got all the things I wrote down, like ask Jeffrey questions about modeling and, but anyway, yeah. | |
| So the island was, um, It was such a beautiful place, but such a frightening place and so freaky. | |
| The whole situation was just so bizarre and hard to explain, really. | |
| You know, that's the other weird thing is that the more time I spent with him, it's like my memories and the more the beginning of it are better. | |
| And then it's like... | |
| I imagine you've probably blocked out a lot of those memories to almost protect yourself | |
| a little bit. | |
| you That's the weird thing is because I never spoke about what happened until fairly recently. | |
| A lot of memories came flooding back and I'm trying to actually keep all the memories in a place. | |
| I've got a friend who's actually wanting to write a book at the moment and she's been amazing with helping me to remember a lot and also to document it all. | |
| Of course. The island was just so beautiful and amazing, but also at the same time it was just such a horrible place because of being trapped there. | |
| Of course, and for two years as well. | |
| I think I just like, I don't even, when you're suddenly whisked off somewhere where you're not expecting to be with some very dangerous people, It's hard to really explain what the place is like because you're more sort of just wondering what's going to happen. | |
| Because that's another thing. When I got on that airplane to go to the island, I thought they were going to kill me. | |
| And that's when I realized I had to go along with anything he wanted. | |
| Because that's when I got on the airplane with him, he started trying to touch me in between my legs as soon as the plane took off. | |
| And then I realized I was completely trapped. | |
| So it just did something to my brain where you just You sort of fight for survival. | |
| I was convinced of my family you weren't going to see me again. | |
| There's no words to describe it. | |
| I mean, you endured for two years. | |
| How did you eventually get away from him? | |
| Well, I was just... | |
| I wouldn't... | |
| I think he was trying... | |
| You see, I smoke and he was trying to stop me from smoking. | |
| He tries to mould people into what he wants them to be. | |
| Right. And I think I resisted it in the politest way possible by being very polite without, and then just also I guess I put on a bit of weight, things like that, things that he didn't like. | |
| I started doing more things that he didn't like in a subtle way so that I could sort of free myself from his grasp. | |
| That's a really clever way of doing it, actually. | |
| I didn't even realise I was doing that. | |
| But when I look back on it and analysing it, that's the only reason I can think of for that. | |
| I was disobedient in a very polite and friendly way. | |
| I was never rude to him. I knew not to cross him. | |
| But I just made myself into something that he didn't want around. | |
| Yeah. If you say you weren't aware of that, that's almost like your subconscious has kind of worked out a way to free yourself and has done it. | |
| It's incredible, really. | |
| Obviously, it must be insanely difficult for you to relive these memories, and especially as more memories come flooding back. | |
| What was it that made you decide to speak out? | |
| Research. I've done too much research on what happened to me was bad, but I know that far worse has happened to other people. | |
| And I want to speak out for them. | |
| I've done too much research. | |
| And I've had too many memories come back. | |
| And I think people need to know what's really going on in this world. | |
| Absolutely. Are you in touch with any of the other girls that were at the island? | |
| Sarah Ransom is one of my best friends. | |
| She's amazing. She's helped me so much through the whole thing because she came out before me. | |
| She was braver. | |
| I was too scared of him to even talk until he was dead. | |
| But she took him on while he was alive. | |
| She's a very brave woman. And then so the lawyers actually got us in touch and we've become really, really good friends. | |
| That's excellent. That's excellent. | |
| How has it affected your life after then in terms of how you live your life every day? | |
| Gosh, I mean, when everything happened, I didn't even want to leave the household so petrified. | |
| I've got a little boy. I'm petrified for his safety. | |
| I don't even want to send him to school. | |
| I'm so scared. You know, I know what these people are capable of. | |
| You said in a recent documentary that Epstein fed off the terror of his victims, and he's obviously done that with yourself. | |
| What do you think it was really all about, the island and Epstein and Wexner? | |
| How dark do you think this goes? | |
| Very dark. I think it's darker than most people's brands are able to comprehend or deal with. | |
| Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. | |
| And you're not the only person to say that. | |
| I know Maria Farmer is of the same opinion as that, that it's a very, very dark group of people. | |
| I've done similar paintings with Maria. | |
| That's the other weird thing. Before I even saw Maria's paintings, I did similar paintings, painting them as lizards. | |
| Really? Oh yeah, I've got the paintings and I've got the date I did it, and you can see it's before I even saw her painting. | |
| Wow, that's really, really interesting. | |
| What do you think of Epstein's so-called suicide? | |
| I don't think most people believe it. | |
| You know, for a long time, part of me wonders if he's even dead, to be honest. | |
| Because the man was capable of anything. | |
| That's why I was so scared of him. | |
| I knew he could do anything he wanted. You know, they can clone pigs, they can clone sheep, they can clone human bodies. | |
| So the body that we saw might not have even been him. | |
| The thought did enter my mind that because he was so big and had so much on so many people that he could just be lying on a beach somewhere. | |
| That wouldn't shock me at all. | |
| The other thing is people can't even get to that island now. | |
| Apparently there are armed guards everywhere and you can't get on. | |
| What's going on there? Who's on that island? | |
| What's been happening there is what I'd like to know. | |
| It's a very, very good question. And also, why did he have all these properties that were so isolated, like the New Mexico Ranch? | |
| You know, also another thing is all his properties were the biggest, like the New Mexico Ranch was the biggest in New Mexico. | |
| The New York property was the biggest in New York. | |
| I'm sure he has one of the biggest islands in the Caribbean. | |
| You know, what's going on with these properties? | |
| What's like underneath those properties is also what you've got to think. | |
| Absolutely. What's really going on? | |
| Absolutely. And he wasn't just a one-man band either, was he? | |
| There was obviously lots of other people around, so even if he has gone, they've not. | |
| Exactly. And also, if he really owned the island and everything, surely it just would have been bought. | |
| And someone asked, why are there armed guards here? | |
| Who's paying for those armed guards? | |
| What's going on there? I would really like to know. | |
| Yeah, that's a very good question. | |
| Another frightening thing for me and the other girls is that we don't actually even know what happened to us while we were there. | |
| Because, you know, people can drag people and do stuff to them when they're sleeping. | |
| There was obviously a reason why he was bringing so many women there. | |
| And I want to know what he was doing. | |
| Yeah, and with the connection with Ghislaine Maxwell, obviously she's had this court case which was just an absolute, you know, it just seemed like a total, almost like a blackout from the media. | |
| I've heard more about Will Smith slapping Chris Rock than I have about It's not relevant to most people's lives. | |
| What these people were doing is very relevant because they're best friends with the people running the world and those are the people who are controlling our lives. | |
| That's what means something to the people, not the silly actors who are actually just acting anyway in their legal fight. | |
| You know, Johnny Depp and Amber Heard, they're just acting. | |
| Yeah, yeah, you're right. | |
| And like you say, the big major stories are kind of just pushed to one side when you have all these distractions for the people to focus on. | |
| Did you ever meet Ghislaine? Yes, many times. | |
| She was there a lot. | |
| I didn't actually have a huge amount to do with her because I was frightened of her because also I did a bit of research about her family and that's also what made me even more scared of Epstein. | |
| I always thought that she and Sarah Kellan were actually lesbians because they used to spend a lot of time together. | |
| But she was always there and she was definitely running the houses and running the staff. | |
| The staff were very scared of them. | |
| They wouldn't even really look them in the eye. | |
| The staff were very uncomfortable when they used to see Epstein or Maxwell. | |
| What kind of energy did she give off? | |
| Because I see pictures of her. | |
| Her energy was basically, just don't mess with me. | |
| She had a very hard, flinty energy. | |
| She was the kind of person where you just knew to be very careful. | |
| Yeah, yeah. She kind of gives across that. | |
| Sophisticated and intelligent. | |
| I mean, very well educated. | |
| So, you know, as a young person, it was a sort of frightening person to encounter. | |
| I was about to say I can imagine, but I actually can't imagine at all. | |
| But thank you so much for talking to us today. | |
| We really appreciate it because it must be really hard to kind of relive stuff and have me asking you questions about it. | |
| So we really do appreciate it. | |
| It's really, really great of you. |
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