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April 27, 2022 - David Icke
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What Is This All About? - David Icke Talks To Open One Podcast
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Welcome to my show.
Welcome to my show. Hey everyone, welcome to the sixth episode of the Open One podcast with your host Travis Cook.
Today I've got David Icke with me and I'm really excited for the topics we're going to get into today.
So yeah, David, do you want to give us a bit of an update?
It's been a little while since we spoke at least, about a year, and a lot's changed since then.
Obviously the UK is in a very different place than it was a year ago, especially with COVID. So yeah, where do you think we're at in the UK right now?
Well, I think the world has changed.
And I think it's premature that some people are thinking, I do understand the motivation for it, but they think that this COVID thing is kind of dying down.
But what I would say is, there's an agenda for the world.
That's not changed.
And we've seen in the last two years the potential that so-called pandemics have for transforming society very quickly in the direction of fascism and the very direction of this global agenda of centralized global control.
And so that's not gone away.
And only the first stage of The pandemic card has died down a bit.
But, you know, what you're seeing now is the more and more pressure to reimpose restrictions.
It's almost like a deja vu because what we're seeing in China now with this utter hysteria, 25 million people Lockdown in Shanghai to the point where they're starving and being parted from their children and so on.
That seems like deja vu, because of course the hoax came out of China.
And we're seeing the preparation going on now.
For the next stage and future stages of this pandemic card being played.
So if you look at the treaty that's being negotiated now, negotiated, being imposed by the World Health Organization on member countries, it is enshrining in law What actually happened in the two years so far of COVID. So when this treaty is signed, it will mean that the member states of the World Health Organization will have to follow the decisions in terms of pandemic response of the World Health Organization.
And what's that? It was created by the Rockefellers in 1948 as part of the United Nations, a stalking horse for world government.
And it's now run, not least through funding, by a Rockefeller gopher called Bill Gates.
And it has a Director General, Ted Ross, who when his lips move, Gates is speaking.
And when Gates's lips move, the Rockefellers are speaking.
When the Rockefellers lips move, not that you see them, Then the global cult, as I call it, is speaking.
And, you know, I've been saying for a long time, decades, actually, that the World Health Organization was created specifically to centralize health response, health in quotes, worldwide and put that power under one roof.
Now, If this treaty is signed, unless there's a massive outcry it will be, then that will basically complete that journey.
Because what you will have is the World Health Organization declaring a pandemic, as it did with this one, by changing the definition of pandemic before so that it would be applicable.
And having declared the pandemic, it then dictates to the member states how they respond to it.
And so that's a massive indicator that this pandemic card is absolutely not over.
In fact, they're ramping it up.
Now, the other thing that you look at in the last two years is that the big Achilles heel has been the alternative media because much as they have tried desperately, sterically, again, to censor, and they have, other platforms have sprung up, video platforms and social media platforms, and the sharing of material Has meant that a substantial challenge has been possible to the official narrative.
And what they are seeking to do now, in line with the World Health Organization treaty, is to take out the alternative media.
Now in the UK, I mean this is happening in many countries, But in the UK, it's called the Online Safety Bill.
And this is a massive attempt to silence all non-narrative communications.
What it does, and it's pure fascism, but then this government is.
So does the Labour opposition, actually.
Come to that even more so in many ways.
But it's pure fascism because what it's saying, and this is the ruse that's being used in many countries, is that they can censor what is posted on the internet through this, again, fascist organization created by Tony Blair in 2001, Ofcom, the Office of Communications.
That is the UK regulator sensor of the broadcast media now being given control over the internet as it was always planned to do.
The online safety bill says if something is posted that is perfectly lawful and perfectly legal but Ofcom and the government say it could be harmful And you can make a case, a lying case, but a case for anything posted being harmful to someone.
Then they can censor it and they can impose massive fines, even jail sentences, for those that won't do what they say.
Now, what they're saying is, oh, we've got to protect the children.
Well, that would be a bloody first, wouldn't it?
What it's really about is targeting the alternative media and saying that this criticism of the government, this exposure of the Covid hoax, this exposure of the fake vaccines could be harmful.
Actually, exposing the fake vaccines could be harmful because You'll be stopping us killing people and destroying their health for life by exposing what's in the vials and therefore people who see that in numbers will say I'm not having it then.
That of course is harmful according to the government and Ofcom because you're stopping people getting hurt.
And it's harmful not to the people that choose not to get hurt.
It's harmful to the agenda that they should be hurt.
So everything's in inversion, and this is how it's going to be used, this online safety bill.
And they're doing something else, something like that in Canada and Australia.
In Canada, they're starting to issue, through this utter fascist Trudeau, licenses, media licenses.
And if you don't get a media license, then you are restricted in how you can operate and what you can do.
So this is a global agenda.
I've been saying this all these decades.
Because it's a global agenda, when it's happening somewhere, it's planned to happen everywhere.
And the biggest somewhere in terms of everywhere is China.
Look at what's happening in China at any point and you can see what is planned for the West tomorrow.
That's been something I've been pointing out for a long time and it just keeps repeating.
And so the idea that this is over is...
It's unfortunately far, far, far from the truth.
So do you think it would be like COVID again or it would be a different virus or different kind of way of packaging it?
How do you think they would try and pull it off again, especially here, like lockdowns, you know?
Yeah, well, what they're doing, if you look at it, is pushing COVID again.
We've had this extraordinary...
I mean, the world is controlled by psychopaths and administered by morons.
So at the administrative level, the moron level, we've had councils in the last few days in Lincolnshire, in Cornwall.
Saying that people who go to the beach in the bright sunshine we've had should wear masks.
Now, this is so insane.
I mean, it's, you know, it's men in white coats, really, time.
I wonder how many people actually did that after the government?
Well, of course, you see the mass cult still walking around the streets, but the vast majority won't anymore.
And this is one good thing.
They are going to find it difficult to sell this again.
But they're going to try because it's so productive in transforming society.
So you have a...
A situation where Johnson has said, well, no, I can't rule out lockdowns.
You've got this SAGE organisation, SAGE being about stuffing, not wisdom, clearly, who are coming out and these scientific advisors or scientific in quotes and saying, oh, we need the restrictions to come back.
And the NHS are saying it as well, the National Health Service in Britain.
And, you know, you're seeing this Kind of common theme, but we need to go back to the restrictions because we've got all these cases.
No one, even now in the mainstream media, even bloody now, says, well, hold on a minute.
These cases are people who have tested positive with a test not testing for a virus.
You never hear that.
And you hear it far less than you should in the alternative media, to be fair.
Because that's the whole foundation of the whole scam.
You get your cases with a PCR test that's not testing for a virus, as its creator, Kerry Mullis, said it couldn't.
You have the lateral flow test, which is so bloody useless that they said for a long time that if you test positive with a lateral flow test, then you have to have it confirmed to be a positive test.
With a PCR test, not testing for the virus.
Now they've said, oh no, we'll just have the lateral flow test.
And so the cases are a farce.
They're a joke. And then when you have this situation where, for the first time, They say anyone tests positive with a test not testing for the virus and dies of any other cause within 28 days.
COVID-19 goes on your death certificate.
And suddenly you've got these deaths and these cases that are nothing more than administrative paperwork sleight of hand.
And so when they're coming back to you, and talking about bringing the restrictions back when study after study after study after study after study in retrospect has shown lockdown masks etc to have been not only bloody useless but extremely detrimental anyone with alpha brain cell and active duty could have predicted and and and they did um then you you know that um this is nothing to do with health of course it's not it's to do with um With an agenda of control.
And so, you know, this rollback, if you look at it psychologically, you've had this build-up, this really big build-up in England of pushback and protest and exposure.
And as they rolled these restrictions back, That's taken the steam out of it.
That's taken the momentum out of it.
Take the pressure away.
So when they come back, whether it's with COVID or bird flu, that's something else.
Chickens are in lockdown still.
Yeah. That's got to then build momentum again.
And, you know, I've been saying this for a long time.
Everything that is done, the whole conspiracy, everything that is done has a psychological intent.
In the end, that's what it's done for.
Because you've got to control perception to control behavior.
If you want to control behavior, control perception.
To control perception, you've got to control the information that people receive from which they form their perceptions.
It's another massive reason for all the censorship and the suppression of alternative information.
And one element of psychology is that When you're in a situation you don't like and it's ongoing, you can kind of adjust.
And you don't like it, but you kind of get used to it and you kind of adjust to it.
But when what you don't like is taken away and you breathe and you think, phew, it's over.
God, God, that was horrible.
And then bang, they bring it back.
That affects the spirit much more than if you, even if you just continued.
And so these psychology, it's no accident that the British government part owns a behavioral manipulation operation called the Behavioral Insights Team.
It's no accident that The psychologists have driven the COVID decision-making in Britain and in other countries since the start.
It's because they're trying to break our spirit.
I reckon if they were to try another lockdown, oh man, the activist movement would explode once more.
Yes, it would. They are making these They are making these decisions because, like I say, the outcome doesn't change in terms of the intended outcome.
This is what they've been working through and for probably hundreds of years, if you get deep enough into it.
So that's not changed.
But do you think it may not be going as successful as they like?
Yeah, how it changes or how it gets there has to adjust by the situations that it faces.
And, you know, you had this big pushback in England, of all countries, England.
Yeah, we did well, really.
Absolutely. And what did you get?
You had the rollback in England.
The pushback was less in Scotland, it was less in Wales, and you didn't have the same pushback.
I mean, it's still got bloody masks going on in bloody Scotland with this moronic lady sturgeon, wee jibby cranky.
And, you know, in the end, people say, what's the solution?
I say, find yourself a calculator.
Now put in the number of people in the world that are being targeted, which is closing on 8 billion.
And now take away the number of people that are actually imposing this stuff on.
And you'll have pretty much 8 billion left.
Because the numbers who are imposing this are so tiny.
I mean, even in China now, I mean, 25 million people in Shanghai.
Who are locked in their homes?
Are they locked in their homes by 25 million people?
Or 15 million people?
Or 10 million people?
Five million? No!
Far less!
And if those 25 million just said, not having it, they couldn't do it.
So, while it's right, That this global cult, as I call it, and all its expressions in different countries is exposed.
My God, I've been doing it since 1990.
Don't let people just point the finger.
A few people can't control billions unless the billions acquiesce to the few.
They can't.
And, you know, if people...
People often ask for solutions.
Well, I'm not interested in solutions, personally.
I'm interested in removing the cause of the problem.
It's much more effective. But whether you're targeting the cause of the problem or that you call them solutions, a lot of people, they say, well, what's the answer?
But when you say you not cooperating with your own enslavement, well, I mean, a lot of them reel back because they think, well, what are the consequences for me of doing that?
And my question is, what are the consequences of you not doing it?
Because, you know, where this is going is far more extreme than where we are, even far more extreme than where we've been in the last two years.
And, you know, we either draw a line in the sand now and say here and no further by removing the cause of the problem, which is the acquiescence of the many to the few, or we just continue to be spectators Watching it get worse and worse and worse and more and more extreme and more and more tyrannical.
Because, you know, you've got this guy, Redfield, who's just been talking in the last 10 days or so.
He was the head of the CDC, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in America.
Completely cult-owned organization.
Supposed to be the regulator of Big Pharma.
It's owned by Big Pharma, which is owned by the cult.
And he was saying in an interview that basically COVID wasn't the real pandemic.
Well, it wasn't a real pandemic.
But bird flu is.
And it's going to be 50, 10 to, you know, difficult to hear actually what he said.
He said 10 to 15% death rate.
Some have reported that as 10 to 50% death rate.
Depends how you kind of hear him.
But anyway, a lot of people.
And then you've got Bill Gates and his missus smirking, literally smirking, some months ago saying, well, you know, they won't be able to ignore the next one, the next pandemic.
And these things are all well planned in advance.
So if it's not COVID, and, you know, with COVID, they have a branding problem.
Yeah, right. It just feels like it wouldn't have the same effect as it did the first time round.
No, you have a branding problem because people are sick of it.
And a lot of people have seen enough to no longer believe government and no longer believe scientists or doctors.
Neither should they. So another one with another name, I'm sure is planned along the way, but they're still using COVID now.
And of course, they have these variants of a variant, variant, variant, variant of the variant, variant, variant.
Which they kind of come out with to try and scare us.
I mean, they tried to push this Omicron moronic variant through around Christmas.
And they couldn't scare us with it.
Well, it didn't scare some of us at all, but they couldn't scare people with it on the same scale.
People have gone into COVID fatigue.
They're freaking sick of it.
So it's a much harder sell.
And it's likely that at some point, absolutely at some point, some other name will come out, bird flu, whatever.
And they'll say, oh, this is even worse.
Because you see, there's a number of things going on.
And one of them is that There are fantastic numbers of people worldwide who are dying and having their health destroyed for life by these fake vaccines.
Now, there's some they can't hide, which are sports people, and so they try to give another excuse for why all these sports people in the prime of life and fitness and health are actually keeling over with heart problems.
But in the general population, the numbers are fantastic.
I mean, even if you take the yellow card reporting system and the VAERS reporting system, the yellow card in Britain, the VAERS in America, they are a tiny, tiny fraction, which is acknowledged, of actually adverse events and deaths from vaccines.
Not that these are vaccines.
And so they are, as the numbers go on increasing, and because of the nature of the content of the fake vaccines, it plays out not just through heart problems and strokes and what have you, but through many other different health problems that these generate.
They've got a big problem explaining that away.
And another way of doing that is to come up with some other, you know, pandemic or this is why.
And if you notice, it's not the fake vaccine, it's this new kind of variant or this new bloody flu or whatever, bird flu.
And you'll notice that what's been happening literally since this COVID hoax was played is the number of symptoms has got bigger and bigger and bigger.
When you have a fake pandemic based on re-designation of diagnosis from what they're really dying of to what you say they're dying of, it's why flu's disappeared since COVID came in with the same symptoms.
The more symptoms you can get people to...
There's been another nine announced by the British government the last month or so.
The more symptoms you can say are COVID, the more other conditions you can bring in and say, yes, that's COVID, when it's not.
And so they've got a problem hiding now these effects of this fake vaccine.
And they need to find a way of doing that.
So there was something you mentioned about people not acquiescing.
For me, that would require people to become empowered and work on themselves and realise that they have the power in themselves to just say no and choose a different way of living.
So with that, what do you reckon people can do to become more empowered in themselves?
Because it's this... This war, if you like, it's definitely physical nuts and bolts.
Activism plays a role, but it's also spiritual in nature.
And I think a big tool in spirituality is becoming empowered, knowing how powerful you are.
So what would you say to that?
Well, I had a story the other day, a local story here.
People I know who their mother is all COVID-19.
But the two partners are not.
So they think, well, we won't broach the subject.
So we'll kind of get on over Easter, you know.
But something came up apparently and it was broached and one of them unleashed a list of things about the fake vaccine and COVID that Showed it was a hoax.
And the mother, when it was pointed out that people are just doing it without question, said, yes, but I'm obedient.
I mean, imagine admitting you are obedient, but...
So the answer, removing the cause of the problem, is to cease to be obedient.
And when someone says, this is what you must do, and we're imposing this, the question is, okay, where's your evidence?
And if the evidence is not there and it's not, then you don't do it.
And enough people don't do it.
It can't be imposed.
You know, you remember in the spring of 2020, when the protests began, they were tiny.
In England.
And the police were moving in and just arresting people.
And then they grew and they grew and they grew.
We had tens of thousands in Trafalgar Square a couple of times in the August and September of 2020.
Then the waters really broke in the spring of 2021.
Massive numbers. Now, the police went from shutting down the protests, cinch in the spring of 2020,
just standing on the side of the road and watching the protesters walk by.
Oh yeah.
Just simply there was too many people. And in that...
That was beautiful.
Not symbolism, but in that literal example, you have the answer to all this. You know,
you take the people making the decisions, you take the people administering the decisions,
and you make people, you take people enforcing the decisions in uniform, add them all up,
and they're a fraction of the people in the world and people in this country or any other country.
So, thank you.
So only by acquiescence can...
Any of this be imposed.
And you look at any tyranny, fascism, communism, anything, it's not imposed by the majority.
It's imposed by the few.
How it comes about is the majority acquiesce to the few.
You know, fascism is not brought in by fascists.
There's never enough of them.
It's brought in by people acquiescing to fascism.
Otherwise, it couldn't happen.
Impossible. And you have two mentalities.
One is that which is obedient and just does what it's told without question.
We've got a number of them.
And then there's another group which doesn't want to do it, but is terrified of not doing it.
And those two groups are what tyrannies and tyrants exploit to impose their will.
And the third group are those that see it and won't cooperate with it.
And that's the group of people, the mentality that's brought down every tyranny in history.
It's the only one that can. And we're only in the same situation again Where those three groups are deciding where we go.
And, you know, the first group, what I call the press enter people, they are, you know, obviously extremely unlikely to move their position because it's a program.
But the second group that...
Doesn't want to do it, but he's frightened of not doing it.
There's great potential there to move them into the third group, which is, I'm not doing it.
And the more they go into the third group, the more this fascism is not possible to enforce.
And, you know, we have seen considerable movement from the second group to the third through the fake vaccines, where they said, if you want to do this, you want to do that, you want to go abroad, you want to do this and have a job or whatever, then you have to have a fake vaccine.
And they've had it. And then they've had two, and then they've said, oh, actually, you know, to keep all that, what you're doing, you've got to have the third.
And then eventually they see that whether they had it or whether they didn't, it didn't actually make any difference.
So now they've got two or three fake vaccines inside them that they didn't actually want.
And so, of course, that's woken a lot of people up because you'd be bloody furious if that happened to you.
And of course, they are.
And so a lot of them have moved.
I've been to most of the London protests and you can notice the number of jabbed people that start to come because they've realized it's a scam because they've been had.
They say you can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time.
Once you've scammed someone Then it's much more difficult to scam them again because they're wary of you.
They don't believe you. And so, you know, unless they come out with some whole new thing that terrifies the population, then...
Obviously, the more you do it, the more difficult it is to repeat what you've done before because more and more people are sussing it.
Yeah, because the uptake of the vaccine in the UK by each next rollout has dropped significantly, hasn't it?
So that's something. I wonder how many are actually going to go for the fourth and fifth voluntarily now.
Very few, I would have thought.
Yeah. I saw some figures today.
I just sent them for posting on my website, davidite.com.
The numbers that have not had any jab and the numbers have only had one or two and no more is very, very high in England.
Very, very high.
And so you can see why...
The restrictions were harder to impose in Britain.
And another thing is that, you know, people within the system were beginning to resist and were beginning to speak out.
And of course, they were censored by the mainstream internet, which is cult-owned, all of it.
But they were still having an impact and an effect.
On getting people to question whether they should have it.
And not only that, of course, I mean, I know from my experience, you know, where I live, you can ignore newspapers and media, television can ignore the number of people that are being damaged and killed by these fake vaccines.
But you can't hide the fact that your neighbor has just dropped dead or some young lad down the road has just dropped dead.
You can't hide that.
And it's like the sports people.
You can't hide that.
You can try to find a way of explaining it, but you can't hide that it's happening.
When you've got hundreds of people in sport dying from heart disease, heart attacks, and so many, many more than that, having things like myocarditis and so on, Then it wasn't happening before they rolled out the jab, and it was when they did.
So you can try to hide that as much as you like, but very large numbers of people are actually not stupid, and they can see it.
So that, again, is another disincentive, obviously, to have the jab.
And I do think that...
The numbers, I can only speak for England here, but the numbers that they wanted to be jabbed by now, compared with the numbers they have, I think are nothing like what they wanted.
Well, yeah, that's inspiring and that should be a credit to anybody who has done any work or anything trying to raise awareness on this vaccine and the potential damage it could be or how we're being had in COVID in any way, really, because a lot of people put in a lot of hard work.
The thing is, they're not censoring us for a bit of fun.
They're censoring us because they have to.
They're terrified of us.
Yeah, well, they're terrified of us for this reason.
You know, if you're confident of what you're saying and you can support it with the evidence, then you don't want to censor anybody.
I don't want to censor anybody.
Somebody wants to have a go at me and say, go ahead.
I'm not bothered.
Because we forget that free speech is the freedom to speak.
It's not the freedom to speak if you say certain things and not the freedom to speak if you say other things.
That's not freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak, to give your opinion, even if people don't like it.
And This narrative, the COVID narrative, and also the Ukraine-Russia narrative, in terms of its one-sided nature of good guys, bad guys, is unsupportable by the evidence.
And therefore, if you had an open debate, the official narrative is going to get slaughtered.
So if you're in that situation, and they are, Your only defense is to stop other information dismantling what you're claiming.
And that's why the censorship is not a sign of power.
It's a sign of weakness.
If they were powerful and were saying things that were credible, they wouldn't have to censor because they'd just win the argument.
But they can't win the argument, so they don't have one.
That's the whole point.
And, you know, this has been prepared for for so long.
You know, when Ofcom was created in 2001 by Tony Blair, this period here was in mind.
These people don't project forward 10 minutes or a few years.
They project a long, long way forward in terms of their agenda and their timescale and their wish list.
And so, even down, of course, to the people in power at this time.
We've seen these Klaus Schwab World Economic Forum leaders school graduates, young leaders school graduates, going through there, being programmed with a cult agenda.
And then suddenly, in this period of COVID, They're everywhere.
Trudeau in Canada, his deputy prime minister, Freeland, absolutely misnomer that is.
You've got Ardern in New Zealand, Macron in France, and so on.
And other countries.
They're there because they've been placed there to do the job that they're doing.
That's why they've all responded the same.
And what we're getting now with this World Health Organization treaty is that that's enshrined with law, in law that everyone responds the same.
So in many ways, you know, Redfield was correct when he said that COVID was just, in effect, the first stage.
It wasn't the big pandemic.
No, but it was very effective in advancing the agenda.
But there's bigger ones in the planning to come.
And this is why it's so important to get this out there.
Because I know from my own experience over the last 32 years of doing this, that if you can preempt the plan, In the minds and the attitudes and responses of anyone that's heard it, it dilutes the impact when they actually play that card.
Because people go, hold on a minute.
I said this was coming.
So it takes the randomness out of it.
And that's very, very important.
Because what they're trying to do is sell all these different things.
They're trying to sell what's going on in Ukraine and COVID and human-caused climate change as completely different, unconnected issues and subjects.
They're not. They're fundamentally connected.
But they don't want you to see that because if they're fundamentally connected, hold on, there's a bloody conspiracy going, who's organizing this?
So you want to keep them random.
And if the alternative media can get out there, what the plan is ahead of when these different cards are played, it dilutes the impact and takes the randomness out of it.
And you take the randomness out of it and what's left?
Coordination. And if there's coordination, who's coordinating it and to what end?
And so the dominoes fall then.
So on Russia and Ukraine, just something you'll see the World Economic Forum you mentioned as well.
Do you think there was anything to Putin's profile being removed there?
Or would I just add to the smoke and mirrors that there's something going on here when in reality it's just the same hands, you know, behind the scenes?
You know... There's different levels of it.
There's the cult, and that's Operating through all these different countries.
And then you come down to this level, which is the level that most people see, some TV news, where this country is fighting this country, or this country is invading this country, or this country is doing this about this country, or the COVID hoax.
It's all playing out. Here, it's playing out in a certain way, like reported by the TV news.
Again, as if it's all random and unconnected.
But you go to that level, and...
You see that actually it's all coordinated.
So in the end, you know, one way of seeing through this is to focus on outcomes, not rhetoric.
So when this invasion of Ukraine began, I just sat back, frankly, and And Russia was telling me this, and Ukraine was telling me this, but in terms of a war situation, you can't believe either of them.
Well, they're all going to tell you what they want you to believe.
And, you know, if you pick a side...
I'm not saying if you pick a situation...
What I mean by that is the impact on the people of Ukraine of the Russian invasion.
That's a situation.
That's an impact. And you can feel for that and you can respond to that.
Okay. But what I'm saying is if you go to the point where you take two governments and you pick a side, they got you.
Because this cult's working through Russia and it's working through Ukraine.
I mean, Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries on earth.
It's run by the United States, for a start, not least through a woman called Victoria Newland, who was involved in Ukraine and the coup of 2014, which is what it was, during the Obama administration and when Biden was vice president.
Deeply corrupt man, as well as senile.
And now she's in the Biden administration overseeing Ukraine again.
And Victoria Newland is the wife of a bloke called Robert Kagan.
And Robert Kagan, with another bloke called William Crystal, created an organization in America called the Project for the New American Century, Which produced a document in September 2000, listing the countries that it wanted America to invade.
Iraq, Libya, Syria, and so on.
Iran. And it said in this document, September 2000, that this process of transformation, regime change, getting rid of these people like Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi, Would be slow, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor.
And one year after that document was produced and after people behind that document ended up in power in the Boy Bush administration after January 2001, we had what George Bush called The Pearl Harbor of the 21st century, 9-11. And as a result of 9-11, they started picking off all these countries that were in this document.
Now, that was all orchestrated, and the project for the New American Century was centrally involved.
The wife of the co-founder is overseeing what's going on in Ukraine.
Now, so that's nothing to do with democracy.
I love it. Oh, it's democracy against a tyrant.
What? Ukraine's a democracy.
I went to Ukraine speaking.
I was there about a week or so.
When Yanukovych, the guy who was ousted in 2014, Was in power.
And Ukraine wasn't a free country then.
I was on a breakfast TV show, live, and I had an interpreter, and the lady was asking me questions, and he was interpreting them, and then I was answering them, and he was interpreting them for her and the audience.
And I said something, and then as I was talking, she kind of leaned forward and said something to the interpreter.
And afterwards, I said to him, what did she say to you?
She said, don't translate that bit.
What was that bit?
It was this.
I was talking about the ludicrousness of politics.
And the ludicrousness of political choice.
And in 2004, they had the Orange Revolution, in which Yanukovych, who's now in Russia, was ousted in a coup, in the Orange Revolution, orchestrated by George Soros and the American, the usual American suspects.
And then they brought this other guy in as a result of that revolution.
But when he got into power, they didn't like him.
And so when they got to the next election, Yanukovych, who's been thrown out in the Orange Revolution, is still leading the other party.
So they voted him back in!
Right? Because the way they work it, Britain, I rest my case, is they tell you you've got political choice.
And they say, OK, this is party A and party B. And if you want to say who's going to be in government, you vote for one or the other.
OK. So you vote for party A and you don't like what they do.
So you vote for party B. But because they're all actually heading in the same direction.
I mean, you know, during COVID, the Labour Party of Keir Starmer, God help us, was saying of the Johnson fascism, the problem with it is it's not fascist enough.
If you remember, they wanted more extreme things.
So you vote for Party B because you don't like Party A. Then you don't like Party B because they've basically done the same as Party A. Now, if you're going to vote for someone else and you want to get Party B out, what have you got to do?
You've got to vote for Party A. And now this is what goes on.
And they call it political choice.
And, you know, when you've thrown someone out in an orange revolution and you're voting back in, I thought that was worth mentioning.
But that's what she leaned forward and said, don't do that much.
Don't translate that.
And this was what was supposed to be a free country.
So then in 2014, They throw Yanukovych out again!
And he heads off for Russia, where he still is.
And, you know, the whole thing's a farce.
So they brought in this guy Poroshenko in Ukraine, who was appointed by Victoria Nuland.
She's been caught with the...
The United States ambassador in a leaked telephone call discussing who they're going to put into power in Ukraine.
What? And they then bring in this comedian, Zelenskyy.
Who is just as corrupt as the rest of them.
And, you know, the oligarchs, et cetera, all run Ukraine.
So the idea that this is the good guys against the bad guys is absolutely ludicrous.
So if we go back to what I said earlier about what's the outcome?
Look at the outcome, not the rhetoric.
Doesn't matter what they say.
They'll tell you anything. What's the outcome?
And the outcome of the invasion of Ukraine Is the next stage after the COVID two years so far of absolutely dismantling the global economy and to drive up either By cause and effect or by using that as an excuse to drive them up, to drive up power prices, oil prices, fuel prices, heating prices, all of it.
And to levels that, I mean, you know, how are people with families who don't earn big wages, how are they coping?
It's extraordinary what's going on.
And I said years ago that they're going to set out to control the food supply.
And what they're doing now is they are dismantling the food supply chains because they want to create scarcity.
Because if you can create dependency, you create control.
Because if you can't get enough food or whatever, then who can provide that?
You become dependent on, thus you become controlled by.
And what they're doing is dismantling the world economy.
And this Ukraine thing is just a perfect cover for them.
Because they want to replace the world economy with something else, is what the Great Reset's about, Klaus Schwab.
And so if you're going to introduce a whole new, totally new economic system and banking system and monetary system, then you've got to demolish the one that's already there.
And that's what they're doing.
We're seeing it now.
And the other thing about the Russia invasion...
Is that, you know, again, I've been writing for decades that the plan was to create a global conflict between the West and an alliance of Russia and China with other countries thrown in like Iran and whatever.
And what this what these sanctions Against Russia have done.
Not just the sanctions, because they've hurt the West more than they've hurt Russia, and that's on purpose.
You know, they're using the sanctions to demolish the Western economy.
That's what they're doing before our eyes.
And that's why, you know, the ruble's gone up there and the dollar's gone down there and all the rest of it.
But what it's done is drive Russia and China closer together.
And China is the blueprint for the world.
And the idea is to play the Chinese system right out across the world.
And so the Mao revolution was a cult revolution.
To create a closed society in which a system of total control and surveillance, not least based on technology, could be incubated and perfected, which when it reached that point could be played out across the world.
And if you look at what's happened in the West since the COVID hoax came out of China, Not the virus, the hoax.
It's become more and more like China.
I mean, all these COVID restrictions were a repeat of what happened in China.
And, you know, if you want to see, like I say, what they plan for the West tomorrow, then look at China today.
So look at China today, what they're doing there.
And the thing to grasp for the pennies to draw is this is not about China and America.
Or China and Europe.
Or China and anywhere.
China and Russia. This is about the global cult imposing its will on the world and creating a global system based on the Chinese system of total control and surveillance.
And so the cult at this level has no borders.
Countries are for public consumption.
They're not of any interest to the cult, except as means to play off one group of people against another.
So if you look and you take it from the perspective that this cult owns the American government as it owns the Chinese government, but China is the blueprint, And that's where they want the control to move to.
The dynamic of global power to move from west to east.
And then you look at what successive American governments have done.
Western governments in general, European governments.
But take the American example.
And what American corporations have done.
These are all co-owned, these corporations.
Silicon Valley is completely co-owned.
They have been moving their production to China of vast numbers of goods and products, many of which are essential.
They've moved them to China.
So they've handed the control of the global supply chain in so many areas to China.
We had this situation, which came out when the COVID thing started, that something like 90% plus of antibiotics that That are used in America actually originate in China.
So, I mean, even really basic things, not that I'm recommending taking antibiotics unless it's an absolute last resort, but the real basic things, the control has been handed over to China.
And the The idea is to dismantle the West at the same time that China's being handed the cards of control.
So what's, you know, Iconic, the video platform we have, Iconic, has just launched a documentary about fentanyl.
Now it's today, I think.
Fentanyl. Now, fentanyl, a lot of people won't have heard of fentanyl, but it's an opioid drug that is absolutely devastating American society.
Something like 100,000 people have died in America from fentanyl overdose.
And it's being brought in over the open southern border of the United States by the Mexican drug gangs and cartels.
But where is the site of the biggest production of fentanyl in the world?
Wuhan, China.
So it's coming out of China, it's going to Mexico, and it's going across the border into America to completely dismantle American society.
And they want to dismantle Western society.
Because they want eventually to destroy all cultures of every kind and create a global monoculture which would be centrally controlled by this world government.
So if you look at the things that are happening and how they connect, what's the biggest racial group in the West?
It's white people. That's the biggest racial group.
So if you want to dismantle Western society, are you going to target the smaller racial groups, or are you going to target the dominant one?
You're going to target the dominant one.
Of course you are. And that's why you can say anything you like about white people, and that's not a problem.
But anybody else, then, you know, it's politically incorrect and hate speech.
Now, what I believe is people should be treated equally and that this color of the skin is freaking irrelevant.
I mean, if you judge people by the color of the skin, you are a moron.
But what they want to do is to divide and rule on the basis of race.
So these anti-racists are actually the racist, very extreme racists.
And they're racist against racism.
White people, and most of the people who are racist against white people, ironically, are freaking white people, lunatics, called wokers.
And why the white race is being targeted is because it's the dominant race of the Western society, which they want to dismantle.
And for the same reason, if you look at, and I'm absolutely not a Christian, but if you look at the history of Western society and European society, Weaved through that is Christianity.
It's weaved in the very fabric and construct of society.
Even though lots and lots of people are not Christians, it's still there.
And so you want to dismantle that as well because that's a pillar of Western society.
So in the same way, you can say what you like about Christianity.
It doesn't matter. It's not politically correct.
It's not what you like. And Any other religion?
Ooh, no. You can't say that.
Oh no, that's hate speech.
And then, I've been saying this for some time, actually, and you start to see how events are unfolding.
If you want to dismantle Britain, British society, because you want to destroy its culture and absorb it in this monoculture, By taking different cultures and fusing them into a monoculture.
Well, first of all, you do what they've done with the southern border in the United States.
You open it. And you get enormous numbers of people from different cultures coming into Western culture because you want to dismantle Western culture.
So you do the same in Europe.
That's why people like George Soros, who's 100% cult operative, is funding the organizations that have basically opened the southern border.
And he's funded the organizations that open the gates in Europe, like Germany and so on, because they're targeting Western society.
And they want to dismantle it.
Anything Western and anything to do with Western history, that's why they're pulling the statues down.
All this is connected. I mean, the wokers have no idea.
There's a woker there, look, being played like a stringed instrument to demand what the establishment they claim to oppose actually wants.
I mean, this is what the climate change is a classic.
But if you look at Britain and England, What is we through the whole fabric of British society?
The monarchy. The monarchy.
We don't have a government.
We have a majesty's government.
We don't have an opposition party.
We have a majesty's most loyal opposition.
We have a majesty's tax office, a majesty's board of people, a majesty's treasury.
It's all a majesty's. The whole thing about the monarchy is we through British society and Commonwealth society in a wider sense.
So if you want to demolish it because you want to completely transform it, then if you can remove the monarchy, much as monarchy and royalty has served the cult over a vast period of time, but this Great Reset is a globally centralized monoculture control system that has no place for other power centers like royalty or whatever.
So now they want to get rid of it.
And I said this some time ago.
I said it at the time that Prince Harry, as they call him, and his missus, went off to North America and started firing exoset missiles back across the Atlantic at the royal family.
I thought, well, I can see where this is bloody going.
Because this is the time when the...
When the Queen goes, Philip already gone, when that long, long time royal status quo is gone, the Queen can't be far away now, then that's when they're going to start playing their cards seriously in undermining the monarchy because you take the monarchy out of Britain And you would have to reform almost every facet of it.
Because of the way that it's weaved massively through British English society.
And you take the Queen away, and what are you left with?
You're left with Prince Charles and his missus, who no one seems to like.
Prince Charles. Pompous, pompous, privileged pillock.
Then you've got Prince William.
And then you're going down to young children.
And at the same time, you've got Mr.
and Mrs. Exocet on the other side of the bloody Atlantic, firing Exocets, that shit.
Once the Queen's gone, and you can see how they're backing her off now, big time, Then, I mean, there's only a rump left.
What is left to actually dismantle?
And so all these things connect into the dismantling of Western society, not least the Western economy, because they want to destroy it.
That's the whole point. So do you think it's better just to sort of let this system destroy itself and sort of go towards building alternatives?
I know in my circles, at least, people are talking a lot about sort of going off grid and stuff like that.
But that seems like that could be really good in some ways.
But then there's still this, obviously, this system that's happening here.
So maybe it's more of like a balance of some people fighting back while some people create something new, perhaps.
Well, for me, the problem is not dismantling the present system.
The present system has made very few people phenomenally rich and powerful through their richness.
And created a situation where the population are just slaves.
I mean, you know, I've traveled to something like 60 odd countries in my life.
And much of the world, much of the world is in abject bloody poverty.
I mean, people in the West don't travel some of these countries.
They don't realize the scale of poverty in the world is staggering.
So I have no problem with dismantling the present system.
The question is, what do you replace it with and what they want to do?
It's a thing called creative destruction.
Like I said earlier, if you want to bring in a new system, you have to destroy the old one.
That's what we're seeing happening now.
The Great Reset, of course, is a much more authoritarian system, even in this one.
It doesn't even pay lip service to freedom, the Great Reset.
It just imposes its will on you, fine detail of your life.
So we are in this period now where the old system's going.
That's what replaces it, right?
I mean, what if the Great Reset ends up being like the great flop?
Yeah, well, if we're going to...
Replace a system with something better.
Well, we're in the period where we have to do it.
And for that to happen, human consciousness has to change.
Human perception has to change.
If you have a mentality where everyone for themselves and everybody cusses and fights and kicks and spits to get to the top of the greasy pole, Then you are going to have what we've got because that's how it works.
And, you know, I don't believe in equality of outcome because that's a race to the bottom.
That takes all incentive out of life.
But I absolutely believe in equality of opportunity.
Where, you know, the color of your skin and your background, I come from a working class council estate in Leicester, doesn't impact upon your ability to do something with your life and achieve what you'd like to achieve in your life.
And, you know, one thing that has to be fundamentally changed is the money system.
We have to stop charging interest on money.
This is where the banks get their power from.
What do you think about the fact that Russia was talking about a gold-backed ruble?
What do you reckon about that?
Could something like that be a good alternative monetary system, or is it still within the same...
It's very simple in the end.
I have skills.
Different people have skills.
And other people want those skills and have different skills themselves.
So people can share their skills through barter, which has, of course, great limitations, not least organizational.
Or they can use a vehicle for exchange of contribution, which we call money.
The limits of barter.
I agree a figure or someone agrees a figure with me.
We exchange the money and that person shares his skills with me or I share the skills with someone else.
That's how it works.
Your problem comes when you charge interest on money.
Because at that point, the money itself becomes a means to the money, to accruing money.
The money is no longer just a unit of exchange to overcome the limitations of barter.
It itself becomes a means, without doing much, of making money.
So you look at the richest people in the world, And enormous numbers of them will be involved in banking and finance.
Because they're getting money from money.
And when it should be just a unit of exchange to overcome the limitations of barter.
So if you go into a bank and you want to borrow $100,000, you have a bank Which is allowed to lend more money than it has in the form of something called credit.
Credit's just fresh air money.
It doesn't exist. It's only a theory.
But they lend you a theory and they put $100,000 in your account or pounds in your account.
And from that moment on, you're paying back $100,000 or pounds that has not, does not, and will never exist except as a theory called credit.
But you're not even paying back $100,000.
You're paying back $100,000 plus interest.
Now, when you go into a bank and you take out a loan, they loan you the loan.
They don't loan you the interest you're going to have to pay back on the loan.
And every loan that's taken out is the same.
Which means a very simple thing, which is absolutely written on purpose into the fabric of the financial system.
There is never ever enough money in circulation to pay back all the outstanding debt and all the interest on the debt, because the interest has never been created, only the amount of the debt.
So people losing their homes, their businesses, their land, their resources, everything is built into the system.
And when you have what they call a boom, which is simply making lots of loans to put lots of money in circulation, and if you do it enough and overcook it like they have now, you get massive price rises through inflation.
So when you put a lot of money into circulation, it's called a boom.
And that hides the fact that there's not enough money in circulation by the expansion of the money supply.
But once they start retracting that, like in 2008, what did they call it?
They call it the credit crunch.
What does that mean? They weren't giving credit out.
What does that mean? They weren't putting money in circulation.
So suddenly, the amount of money in circulation was contracting.
But the outstanding debt and the interest on the debt wasn't contracting.
That was still out there.
That was still repayable.
What happened? People couldn't repay it.
Because simply, in the end, no matter how hard you work, there's not enough money in circulation to pay back all the interest on the debt.
And so people lost their homes.
They lost their business. And who picked that up?
Who picked that up?
The people that had originally lent the money that doesn't exist called credit And charge your interest on it.
The banking system is organized crime.
And as part of any new society where the people came first and not the elite, the money system, the interest on money and the banking system is currently constructed has to go.
Yeah. Because it's a control system.
And what they're doing Is they are parasiting the labour and the creativity of the population.
So from what I understand it, for instance, anything that's posted on Facebook, Facebook gets joint copyright.
So what's that doing?
Where's your creativity, Facebook?
You haven't bloody got any.
But your users have and now you're getting joint copyright of their creativity.
So where's your creativity banking system?
You don't have any.
You just lend fresh air money called credit to people and charge an interest on it.
That's all you bloody do.
So you do have creativity.
You've got an idea, you've got a business you want to pursue, you've got something, a career you want to pursue, and you need money.
What do you do?
People go to the bank and they borrow money, fresh air money that doesn't exist except in theory, and they charge interest on it.
So this person's idea and creativity Because they go to the bank to be able to make that happen, because that's their source of money, that creativity, that idea, then starts to feed the banks.
Because the banks are lending money.
They're not creative. They don't have bloody ideas.
The public have the ideas, but then they go to the bank, and the bank gives them money to pursue those ideas, and the Pay the bank the debt and the interest on the fake money.
Therefore, they are feeding off the ideas and the creativity of the population.
And if the ideas, the creative people can't pay back, often because what the banking system has done, like pulling the money supply, then They get all that creativity.
They get the business.
They get everything. And it's no surprise, given that this has been going on for generations and generations, not least involving the Rothschilds, that we talk about the 1%, or actually the less than 1% of the global population that own the overwhelming majority of the money.
Because one of the fundamental ways they've done that is by lending people money that doesn't exist for credit and charging interest on it.
And by accruing that, which for whatever reason cannot pay back the loan, they get the collateral.
And so they've been sucking the wealth of the world into their coffers for generations, and this is where the 1% came from.
And it's why so few people, I mean, something like six people, the last I saw, something like six people own more than the poorest half of the global population.
That is grotesque.
And these are the people that are telling us about COVID. They're telling us about human-caused climate change.
They're telling us that there's no such thing as a biological man or woman.
These are the same people that are doing this.
And what are the wokers doing?
They are the foot soldiers of these people.
You know, when I... When I was growing up in Leicester in the 60s, we came from a left of center, politically left of center family.
But then it was a very different left of center.
When people talked about liberal, they meant liberal.
And so the left then was challenging the power of what were then millionaires, not billionaires, They were challenging the accruing of power, the abuse of what they call the working class.
They were doing all those things.
But now there's been this unbelievable inversion of what we call the left, it's not the left, it's the far right, called woke.
In which these billionaires like Soros are funding all these woke organizations to demand that the cult agenda for the world is imposed.
So they've hijacked the left.
And it's funny how many of the old lefties that have held their values and held their view of life and fairness and justice are actually now called right-wingers.
They're not right-wingers.
They are people that have just held their values about fairness and justice and the abuse of power and the abuse of money.
But now they're right-wingers, when in fact the Wokers...
Who accuse them of that are, you know, to the right of Genghis Khan, if you look at what they're demanding and what they're saying must happen.
And the wokers, of course, are the ones that are driving the censorship agenda, which is all the fascination.
So, I've got one for you, perhaps to be one of our last questions here.
If you was to, like, look into the future in, like, five years' time, what would be, like, the pivotal things that would, you know, make your ideal sort of world?
I think a couple of things we've touched on already would be, obviously, people not acquiescing and a totally different, better banking system.
Is there anything else that really sort of sticks out that you'd really want to see, like human society?
Well, first of all, between the system we have and the system of whatever that system is, there is a transitional period that's going to be absolutely chaotic.
It's really, it's not going to be a smooth transition.
That's for bloody sure. So we're in for some challenging years.
And to try to break our spirit, they're going to machine gun fire challenges to us, not least economic.
You watch it. And again, know the outcome and you'll see the journey.
They want a situation of complete dependency on the government by destroying jobs and small businesses and medium-sized businesses.
Any business is not a gigantic co-owned corporation.
And the jobs that remain will overwhelmingly be done by AI, which will create enormous dependency Upon authority for survival.
That's the game.
That's the idea. And this is where the guaranteed income comes in, which is now being tried.
I mean, you look at my books way back.
I said the guaranteed income is part of this plan.
And, you know, I have no problem in principle of a level that no one is allowed to fall through.
But it has to be on the basis of You get it.
Not you get it if.
You get it. Yeah, because that's an interesting one because I thought about it as well and I guess it does determine who's in control, right?
Because if there was good, honest people, something like automation taking jobs away that can be done by a machine and people don't really want to do maybe, it might seem as a good thing but because we have this current setup where people need a job and da-da-da, it's sort of seeing...
It's a bad thing and then if it creates dependence then that's the issue, right?
That's absolutely right.
The idea is to destroy access to independent income and then offer a survival, well it will be a survival guaranteed income which you only get if you toe the line and keep to the rules.
And we've had an indication of this, because you can see precursors for all of this stuff if you look around, where in Australia they said that if you are on state benefits, guaranteed income, brackets, Then if you don't have your children vaccinated according to the government schedule, then you lose benefits.
In other words, if you don't do what the government says, you lose your benefits.
Now, that's the whole foundation.
They don't tell you this, of course, but that's the whole foundation of the guaranteed income.
And, you know, they've got to the point now where it's being trialed in quite a long list of American cities and a long list of countries.
But it's not being trialed.
It's being introduced by stealth and by steps, because that's the game.
And if you, again, what you're looking at is a Chinese system, the social credit system in China, where if you do what the government, you live your life, even in fine detail ways, That the government wants you to live, then you get credits.
And if you don't, then you get them taken away.
And if you get enough taken away, then you can't travel, you can't go on a train, you can't go on a plane, you can't live in normal society.
Now, you look at these vaccine passports, and they're not over either, by the way.
These vaccine passports, what they're saying is, if you don't do what we tell you, And have this shite put inside you.
And keep having it put inside you.
With different boosters.
You have two, you get your passport.
Oh no, it's three now. Oh no, it's four in places like Israel.
If you don't do what the government says and have these fake vaccines, then you can't take part in normal society.
That's where they were taking it.
And then they rolled it back.
And if you take an example of the National Health Service, first of all, they said if you don't have the jab to care workers in care homes for old people, they can't give a damn about it.
If you don't have the jab, then you've got to leave your job as a care home worker, which of course created a lot of problems in the care homes, but not enough for the government to worry about it because, you know, But then they tried to do it, if you remember, to the National Health Service.
And they said, if you don't have the jab, you've got to leave the National Health Service.
Now, they're moving from care homes now to a National Health Service that affects everybody.
So they were making judgments how many people are still not going to have it, even if they lose their job.
And if you remember, it was moving towards the date, start of this year, and suddenly Javid, the health secretary, announced they were going to stop it.
They weren't going to do it. And the reason they didn't do it, not because they didn't want to do it, of course, that's the plan, was because so many people in the National Health Service said, we're not going to have it anyway.
No matter what you do, we'll leave.
We're not having it. That number was big enough for the For the effects of that to be catastrophic on the National Health Service.
Yeah, right. Catastrophic anyway.
But I mean, it would have created such additional mayhem that the government said, no, we're not going to do it.
But like I say, it wasn't because they didn't want to do it.
It's because they could see the consequences for them of going ahead with something that was going to create that mayhem, which tells you something else.
They can't impose it unless you acquiesce to it.
They can't.
Don't do it.
Don't do it in enough numbers and they can't do it.
The few can't impose on the many unless the many acquiesce to the few.
It's that simple, for goodness sake.
What's the solution? Well, it's staring you in the bloody face.
That's what it's doing.
And there's so many indications all around of that.
So, you know, someone does something where they're selling you something or, you know, in a commercial setting.
And people say, you know something, I absolutely don't agree with that, so I'm not buying your products anymore.
How fast do they kind of, oh, no, sorry, sorry, we'll go back.
We have the power if only people would grasp it and realize the power that we have.
As individuals and collectively, the power is infinite.
Yeah. Yeah.
And that's just very inspiring. Anyone listening who may be from other countries as well, like that was a big part of why I believe as well, the COVID restrictions, at least for now, have been rolled back.
They may come try something else in the future, but it was because so many people didn't comply here and some people put in a lot of work and that's the results that can happen.
You actually can make a change here.
So, yeah. Yeah, you know, I was hearing people in different countries like Australia and around the world when all this was going on just saying, you know, England's an inspiration, you know, the way the protest movement and the pushback had built.
And it's no good, you know, the government saying it doesn't matter.
It does matter. Because, you know, they survive, at least for now, on public opinion.
And so if public opinion is affected and expressed, then they have to cope with the effects.
Like I say, they would have had to cope with a very, very large number of National Health Service workers saying, okay, we're off.
They couldn't do that.
We're going to impose it.
Well, actually, we're not.
Why? Because we're not having it.
Sometimes you just shake your head at the answer.
It's here. It's here.
Where's the answer? I can't see the answer.
Stop acquiescing with your own enslavement.
Game over. Stage one, you create a problem.
It could be a manufactured virus.
You want a reaction and you want them to either say, do something, or you want them to accept what the authorities suggest must be done.
So one of the agendas is to massively cull the population.
They want to reduce the numbers.
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