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April 17, 2022 - David Icke
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Mass Mind Control - David Icke & MK Ultra Whistleblower Cathy O'Brien On The Mel K Show
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Welcome to my show.
Welcome to my show. Good afternoon, Patriot Pals. Welcome back to the Mel K Show.
I am very excited today, more than normal, because there are two people out there that I've been following for decades that have been warning the people about the New World Order, the Cabal.
The Matrix, the deception in which we have functioned for far too long.
Most of you that watch me know Kathy O'Brien.
She's a good friend of mine. She's been here many times.
MKUltra, CIA whistleblower, and fearless truth teller.
The other one is a hero of mine.
I have read his books.
I have followed him.
He is the original hero. No fear.
Get out there. Tell the truth.
Save humanity the best he can.
More people have tried to take this man down, and apparently that's not God's plan for him.
I am honored to have David Icke here.
Thank you for joining me, both of you.
Thank you. Real pleasure. Always a pleasure to be with Kathy, too.
Yeah, I know you guys have known each other a long time.
How did you guys get to meet?
Well, it's a funny story, really, because I met a guy in the 1990s, must have been 96, maybe.
He's a Scottish guy, funnily enough, and I didn't know him very well.
I just met him and that was it.
We exchanged pleasantries and, you know, he got my address.
And then I got a book through the post from him saying, you've got to read this.
And it was Transformation of America.
So I went upstairs to the bedroom and I started reading it and I didn't stop till I finished it.
It was absolutely riveting.
And I'd been invited because in those days, no one wanted to know.
I mean, I was talking to chairs, all of them empty.
But I've been invited to this event in Denver, Colorado.
And it was supposed to be part of a speaking tour of America for me in 1996.
But the tour part, I spoke, but the tour part, America seemed to forget because there was hardly anybody there.
But at this one, this first one in Denver, this is just after I've read Cathy's book.
There was a lot of people there.
And so I turn up.
And they put out little, you know, tables.
So you put your books on and stuff at these conferences.
Who is standing next to me?
To my left immediately.
But Kathy O'Brien and Mark.
Oh, wow. I just read the bloody book.
So we became great friends because what they said and what Kathy's story told absolutely synced with what I'd uncovered up to that point.
One of the things that is very difficult for people to grasp, and I do understand it, is A, the level of evil that we're dealing with, because most people don't naturally have that in their everyday lives, but also the depth of horror that this evil is prepared to perpetrate.
So I'd understood that by then.
So when I read Cathy's book...
Where a lot of people would have been turned off by, oh no, no one would ever do that, and all that stuff.
That wasn't my response.
My response was, this makes absolute sense to me.
And from then on, me and Cathy became great friends with Mark, and I met Kelly, Cathy's daughter, and it's just been a great journey for both of us.
When you reach the point now of looking for ways out of this, I mean, me and Kathy are on the same page with the vast majority of what's actually going on.
But we're also on the same page of what we do about it.
Right. That's why I wanted to, when I first suggested to Kathy...
I said, you know, we should get David Icke because both of you right now are talking about a healing phase and a getting through this where now a lot of people, you know, I hate to say it and I'm sure you don't feel this way, but David, I mean, all this stuff that you've said all these years, suddenly now it's not only bad.
Become true, but we're living through what you had been warning about, and I'm sure you never want it to be right, even if you knew you were.
you probably were hoping we wouldn't get to this point where we are somewhat at a precipice of
the People that the system that you've warned about really
being backed against a wall where it's even more dangerous I feel like right now in terms of
Desperation on the level of evil people out there or evil in general and
There's a big threat, but still you both you and Kathy Keep talking about you know love and and getting through it
and that shining the light and and Exposing it is the is the answer
Kathy, you always say that Mark said to you, when they were coming after you, Mark said, yeah.
What did Mark say to you, that quote?
You always say it so well when you said, well, they're coming after us.
Where are we going to go?
About having nowhere to run or nowhere to hide.
And he said there is no...
No reason to run except right at them.
And there is no reason to hide.
Obviously, they have reason to hide because they're hiding under secrecy.
And really, Mark would say that and he would say that we already won.
The bad guys just don't know it yet.
You know, he had a lot of encouragement.
And that was so prevalent in my life already when David and I first met way back when Trance was very first released.
I had come running out of the hell screaming about something that nobody wanted to believe existed.
But I had to talk about it because my daughter's life was on the line.
And this information needed to be brought to light.
So it was love for my daughter that compelled me.
And when David and I met, it was like some kind of cosmic convergence of truth.
You know, it was just this instant friendship because here he was on the other side of the world, daring to research and look into this and had put out a book, Robots Rebellion, I believe it was at that particular time.
That was forewarning of the same things that I was talking about.
And it was so good to have someone who not only understood, but who wasn't bogged down in the negativity of it all, but rather was compelled to raise awareness, knowing the same thing that I know that truth makes us free.
And having shared that, it was such an instant friendship that we've maintained throughout the years, and I think it's a good view into the kind of awareness that can happen on a global scale, so much further than just what we think we know in our narrow little world.
When we expand our minds into a collective consciousness, We see that everyone really is on the same page.
They're all wanting peace, love, happiness, truth.
People want the truth.
That's why it's being suppressed because knowledge is our defense against mind control.
Knowledge empowers us to be able to realize that this is just a handful of the same criminals over and over again.
It's inexcusable we let them influence our lives.
And the more we know, the more we see that, indeed, we've already won.
We just need to claim our victory and show them that we are not going to comply with their new world order slave society agenda anymore.
Yeah. And David, when you're watching this go down, you know, things that you talked about for years, people never looked at.
Now it's being looked at, at least as close to the, you know, there's a level of mainstream media above that is totally controlled.
CIA, you know, just ridiculous.
But on a different level, there's way more people talking about what you've been talking about all along.
Now, for my audience that might not know you, though most of my audience I'm sure does, At what point did you realize that you needed to get out there?
I mean, you've been there for a long time, but you got out there at some point.
I think the biggest secret is probably when I found you.
And you said you didn't care what happened to you.
You wanted people to know what was going on.
Because they tried to suppress both of you so much.
If more people heard your message, which they finally are and have been in the last probably 10 years, maybe we wouldn't be here.
But when did you realize it was worth it to go out there and just tell everything that you were finding out, regardless of what happened to you, because you've been very selfless about everything you've done?
The moment I realized what was going on.
See, one of the things that's been hard for me to...
To understand over the years, and Kathy will, I'm sure, have experienced the same.
It's people who come into this arena, and I've seen many come, and I've seen them go.
And they're like, sometimes flavour of the month for a short time, and what have you.
And then they go.
And I do not understand How you can have any realization at any level, really, of what the game is and where it's planned to go.
And look kids in the eye and your grandkids in the eye and just go.
Once you realize what's going on, There's nothing more important in your life.
There's so many elements to this, both from a personal point of view and from a collective point of view.
But I knew all along that it would have to get really bad For very, very large numbers of people to start to lift their eyes from the game show and the sport.
Right. And realize we had a challenge on here.
And there's a number of reasons for that.
One is... That people don't want it to be true.
I mean, who wants to believe that what Kathy says is true?
Who wants to believe that what I say is true?
This is such an important area because I think the alternative media falls for this sometimes.
I think it's doing so now with Elon Musk to an extent.
You fall for being told what you want to hear.
So when you hear what you want to hear, your door is already swinging open because it's what you want to believe is true.
The challenge is when you're telling people what they don't want to believe is true because their door initially is going to be solid lock shut.
And therefore, I knew it was going to have to get more and more in people's faces.
Before the ability to jump in the getaway car.
Oh, that's a lot of rubbish. It's conspiracy theory.
Oh, that's too far out. Never happened.
Till that starts to get worn down by simply looking at the world.
And you see that so many things go on at the same time.
If you look at what is being done to people, More and more younger and younger kids with this fake vaccine, which is causing absolute death and destruction around the world, then suddenly what Cathy describes about her experience becomes less fantastic.
Because, I mean, if you look at these fake vaccines now, and then, okay...
I don't buy it. Absolutely don't buy it.
But they could say, oh, well, we didn't realize.
Well, do the bloody trials first then.
Right. Now, you've got the VAERS, the yellow card system in Britain and other versions of that around the world.
Where a fraction of these fake vaccine adverse effects and deaths are reported.
But even so, the numbers are ridiculous, fantastic.
So to now have this cabal and its front men and agents still pressing the jab and wanting to put it into younger and younger kids That is calculated mass murder, because you know that a lot of those people are going to take the consequences of that pretty much immediately, never mind long term.
So if you are of a mentality...
A heart-closed mentality, a empathy-deleted, compassion-deleted mentality that can do that in such a cold, calculated way, then what's fantastic about what they did to Kathy and people like her?
You know, so, you know, people are beginning...
It's this... Understanding that the level of evil, therefore, what I call evil is the absence of love, that we're dealing with.
Because once you don't have empathy, you have no fail-safe mechanism for your behavior.
If you have no emotional consequence for what you're doing to another person, there's no limits to what you do to the other person.
These people are completely empathy deleted.
So, you know, there has been a wake-up.
And the biggest thing about the wake-up is...
Finding it more and more difficult to deny what's happening in front of their eyes.
And, you know, we can get more into this, but I think in terms of standing up for this, like Kathy and what I've done, comes down to self-identity too.
You know, if you self-identify, this is part of the big answer for dealing with this, I suggest.
If you self-identify only with the labels of a human life, the I am ours, I call them, I am a man, I am a woman, I have this race, that race, this religion, that religion, this income bracket, that income bracket, this sexuality, that sexuality, if that's your perception of the I, Then everything is focused upon this very narrow band of frequencies we call the human world, which is the band of frequency that we call human is so narrow, it's all laughable.
But when your self identity is that You are an expression of consciousness, infinite awareness, like everything is an expression of that awareness, and that you're having a brief experience, which we call human, within this tiny band of frequency.
Then what happens here and how people treat you and what the consequences are of what you do take on a very, very different...
Perception. Suddenly, look, whatever they do to me, I am infinite awareness.
I am all that is, has been, and ever can be.
Having an experience called human, which when it's over, I will go and explore forever, forever.
Somewhere else in this infinity of possibility.
So suddenly, people having to go at you in the street, the media...
Ridiculing you. It's not the same experience as if you're in the world and of it and everything that you perceive about yourself is in the world.
What do people think of me?
That level of awareness says whatever you think of me now, you'll think of me.
You'll think of something else tomorrow.
Once you reach that And this is not kind of elitism.
This is our natural state.
It's how we're supposed to be.
When you look at the world from that level, from that level of self-identity, what you do is what you know to be right.
You don't go through a checklist of, this is what I know I should do, but what are the consequences for me of doing it?
Because once you...
Go through the checklist.
Most people will reach a point on the list where they'll go, well, that's enough.
I'd like to do what is right, but not that badly.
To a state of awareness that perceives itself in this expanded way, it says, if I look at consequences for doing what I know to be right, That means I'm considering not doing what I know to be right.
No way I'd ever consider that.
So consequences will take care of themselves.
Doing what you know to be right is what drives you.
And so people have said to me over the years, didn't you know people had ridiculed you when you said that?
And I thought, you know, I'd work that out.
But you say it anyway.
Because if you believe it to be true, then...
Speak your truth.
And what happens will happen.
But what you know for certain is if you don't speak your truth, then the demons will prosper and will stay in control.
Right. Yeah, well, Kathy, you say that a lot, too.
When people say to you, you know, I know a lot of people say to you that they can't believe that you're alive.
You know, why would they allow, you know, that to happen?
I always say, listen, for me, I'm sure there's a God because Kathy O'Brien is safe and one of the healthiest, happiest people I know.
But I know that you've gotten a lot of threats over the years, you and Mark both.
Yeah. You had to really fight to get your story out.
They re-established you as a conspiracy theorist at one point and all of this.
And you continue to fight. You continue to speak out.
You're really accessible.
Both of you are. But Kathy, somehow you have the ability to do what David's saying.
And maybe it's because the first 30 years of your life, you weren't Condition, like all of us, to care what other people thought.
Other people's perception of you mattered more than what you thought of yourself.
A lot of people, at least in America, are raised that way, where everything's about what other people think, or material goods.
You didn't have any of that.
When people judge you, you don't even flinch.
Is that because it's just not part of your reality?
I don't base who I am on other people's perceptions of me.
I'm living the love that I am.
I'm living that infinite strength.
I know who I am on the level that David just described so eloquently.
And that's where soul is stronger than genetics.
It's the strongest power of all.
It's an infinite source of truth and knowledge.
It's an infinite source of strength of the human spirit.
These perpetrators, hell-bent on imposing this New World Order slave society agenda, are so afraid of the strength of the human spirit.
It's unstoppable.
And there is no fear there.
There's no fear to be generated to feed their low vibration energy source.
They want to create fear in order to manipulate the minds of the masses.
Fear is a basis of mind control.
Since they can't squash the human spirit, since they can't possess the human spirit, they can only stop our expression of it by our own perceptions of what that might be, by manipulating our knowledge base, by manipulating our minds.
Any level of mind control is A block to living who we innately really are, who we really are inside life's purpose, the love that we are.
It's where we're able to stand up against the human trafficking issue.
Funding mechanism of this new world order.
It's where we have the strength to face hard truth that we share this planet with some really dark energy force people.
It's only a handful, but we need to face that fact so that we know what in the world really is going on.
But since they can't possess our human spirit, the only thing they can do is Is stop our expression of it through mind control.
That's why mind control masks as a virus has been imposed on the world.
That's why people are suffering from mass formation psychosis.
That's a term that a lot of people can grasp better than they can grasp the term mind control.
That sounds kind of scary.
Brainwashing, whatever we want to call it, it inhibits our ability to live our life's purpose with that infinite strength of the human spirit.
That's their ultimate goal to stop that because they know we would not comply with this genetic alteration, this subduing of our ability to procreate because they're wanting to stop us from having children and they're wanting to control the population numbers to the degree that they are No, none of that. We don't have to cooperate with any of that.
And soul overcomes genetics.
It overcomes those shallow things that they're trying to use to divide us.
When we go to the base core energy of who we all are, that's where we unite naturally.
That's where we recognize each other.
That's where we have empathy.
That's where we have compassion.
That's where we can set others free.
By living that freedom ourselves, it lights the way for others to do it too.
I think the point is that the whole world is under my control.
When I say the whole world, I mean the great vast majority of humanity is under my control.
Because what is my control?
Getting you to think and believe what an external force wants you to think and believe, thus dictating how you behave.
The whole foundation of this whole conspiracy is control of perception.
Because from perception comes behavior.
And how do you control perception?
You control information that people receive from which they form perception.
So in MKUltra, that was fiercely controlled.
Obviously, that information to create a perception that led to behavior.
But it's, of course, happening on a mass scale with behavior.
The media and Silicon Valley, with its censorship, they want to dominate and control what people hear and see, thus what they perceive, thus how they behave.
We saw that in the COVID era, which is still going, by the way.
How do you...
A lockdown put under house arrest, billions of people, if billions of people won't cooperate, you can't do it.
You have to get them to perceive the situation as you want so that you behave as you want.
And, you know, what Cathy was saying there about the soul, you know, I've been saying for decades that the whole kind of basis Of this control system is to disconnect five sense mind, five sense reality, what I call body mind, from expanded awareness, from soul, if you want to call it that.
So it's like, imagine someone sitting at a computer.
And you've got the best of both worlds.
You've got the computer, five sense reality, the five sense body-mind, that connects you into this reality.
You interact with it because you're on the same frequency.
And then you've got the operator of the computer who's got the big picture.
And those two are supposed to interact with So the idea of the control system is to get in that space between the operator and the computer.
And if you look at the analogy, the symbolism of a computer virus, What happens is the operator and the computer are interacting, expanded awareness, five-sense body-mind.
And then suddenly the virus takes over the computer.
And eventually the operator's banging the keys and banging the mouse.
The computer is not responding.
Now the virus It's dictating where the computer goes and what have you and how it responds.
And of course, what follows with the computer is absolute bloody chaos.
So this is very much symbolic of how this works.
Get control, perceptual control, of five-sense body-mind by disconnecting it from the influence, the greater panoramic understanding, insight, knowledge, all of it, of expanded awareness.
And once people get isolated in five-sense mind only, which is the idea, the idea of the education system, what passes for it, of the media, all of it, then it's like You isolate five sense body-mind and then you program it through control of the information it receives so that it takes on a perception without any greater radar of expanded awareness to give it another fix on what's happening.
You just turn it into a Like a software program of the belief that suits your reality.
So any answer, any...
Because, you know, people say, what's the solution?
I'm not really bothered about solutions.
We're drowning in solutions.
They lead to more problems.
I'm interested in removing the cause of the problem.
Because once you remove the cause of a problem, the problem can no longer exist because the reason it exists is gone.
And the cause of the problem is this disconnect from body-mind directly experiencing this reality and expanded levels of consciousness, our true big I, that should be interacting with this, that is shut out.
So if you're going to remove the cause of the problem, that disconnect Must be healed.
And, you know, you can go all the way down.
You can say, what we need to do is we need to start a new organization.
We need to have someone take the minutes.
We have to do this. We have to protest.
I'm not against any of that stuff.
But unless this is healed, nothing is going to change.
So how do you heal it?
First of all, you stop self-identifying your I, who you are, with the labels of human.
They are experiences.
They're not who we are.
But if we identify with them, then what you believe you perceive, what you perceive you
experience, they gotcha.
But if you can expand your sense of identity to, I am infinite awareness, having an experience
called human, and these are the labels of my experience, then suddenly you're self-identifying
with something greater.
You are connecting with something greater, and as you do that, your potential for influencing your The world of human is massively magnified compared with, well, I mean, if you identify with the labels of human, what are you identifying with?
Limitation. Because all you see through five sense reality is I can't, it's not possible.
From expanded awareness, you realize everything's possible.
We're all that is, has been, and ever can be.
What is that?
Because the five sense mind will say you can't be all that is, has been, and ever can be.
But if you are all possibility, all potential, Then you have to be all that is, has been, and ever can be, because you are all possibility.
And all possibility, that perception, if you can impose that or impact in your human life in that way, then suddenly you can do things and achieve things and make things happen that others can't.
Not because you are better than them, but because you have remembered to a greater extent Your true identity.
Yeah. You know, it's interesting because a lot of the people that I identify as being behind a lot of the evil and the destruction and the pandemic and the war, everything that we're watching, they don't hide what you're talking about.
They write books about it, like the Fourth Industrial Revolution or Kissinger and Eric Schmidt's book about the post-human world or You know, or Noah Harari out there talking about, we can hack humans.
There is no free will.
There is no God.
We are God. These people are so emboldened right now and arrogant, the ones that are counting on what you're talking about, which is the whole transgender, the whole, you know, all these different labels, the dividing by color and everything and race.
It's really coming from this one group of people, if you trace the money and who's funding this and who's pushing it and who's controlling it.
But they don't hide it.
They blatantly tell you they need to get rid of God, get rid of consciousness, turn people into half AI, half human, and you tell people and they think it's otherworldly, and then you say, just listen to them.
They write books about it.
They have to tell us, right?
I mean, they're telling us.
The other thing they can't hide is they're morons.
Yeah. They're morons.
You know, because of their consciousness state, which is a state of inversion, evil, the absence, the inversion of love, they can't be very bright because they can't access expanded states of awareness in that low frequency state that Cathy talks about.
The one thing we mustn't do is give these people too much power.
Right. In their sense of what they are.
What they've done, and the only way they could do it, is to put humanity in a smaller box than they're in.
You know, they have this symbol, the single all-seeing eye, right?
Right. The single eye.
The single eye.
That's actually what they are.
We are the two-eyed, third-eyed humans, potentially.
They are the single eye.
And, you know, for me, the phrase that sums up this situation is in the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
So the one-eyed man has made humans blind, and that's how it controls.
When humans open their eyes and see, then they'll realize that these all-powerful people are not all-powerful at all.
I mean, you know, I mean, Kathy has seen these people at very close hand.
They're clever in the sense that they know how to manipulate perception.
But in terms of the totality of consciousness, morons.
Yeah. Yeah. Hey Kath, so you've said that many times.
Also, they seem to have something where they want to convince people not only To give up themselves, everything to go into a box, to go into a category.
But they also don't want you to ever question them.
And you've done the thing of questioning them.
And that has been basically your biggest strength, is you look at them and you're not willing to enter.
But I think they count on people willingly following them.
Part of the mind control and everything that we've discussed Is that they get people to the point where they say kind of plausible deniability.
Like you knew what you were getting into when you joined Facebook or whatever they're doing, DARPA or Mind Control.
But, you know, people have to accept it.
People have to go along with it.
And as long as people are going along with it, then, you know, they're slaves.
But once they realize that they're being led the wrong way, they can break away like you did.
I mean, nobody would have ever thought that you could have not only...
Gotten out of it, but then rebuilt your life so that it no longer controls you.
I think a lot of people feel like they're stuck at this point.
Yeah, wisdom outthinks a criminal mind every time.
That's for sure.
And that's all they have is this flat thinking criminal mind.
And as intelligent as they might be, they can't consider the depth and the wisdom and the strength and the human spirit in that aspect.
That's why they're trying to eliminate that because it way can outthink them in their narrow little criminal focus.
They never considered the strength of the human spirit that I could heal.
To tell the secrets that I had been exposed to deep in the swamp under their MK Ultra Mind Control.
You should have seen their faces when they found out, I remembered.
I saw it in several of them and it was great because their paradigm shifted right on the spot to realize that That someone can heal from their mind control.
And this is a great time for all of us on a global scale, for all of humanity, to shift their paradigm once and for all.
Everybody wake up, claim their strength of spirit, and start living the love that we are.
That is so far from their vibration.
They want us fearful. If we're living love, they can't reach that.
That's way too high a vibration for them.
So when we realize that they're Plan is a scientific formula when we look into mind-brain function of what MKUltra mind control is.
They had targeted me because I had been sexually abused as a child prior to age five.
That means that my brain was responding to trauma by compartmentalizing it.
The neuron pathways in my brain shut down.
Then I was subjected to more trauma, like occult trauma, and deliberately, systematically creating more and more and more compartments in my brain.
Until I had no continuity of thought to make any thought of my own, any choice of my own, any freedom of my own, to be able to stand for anything that I believe in.
And that kind of division, this deliberate division that they did in my brain, is exactly what they have done to society.
And they're dividing us by the most shallow means, by these perceptual things like David described.
And so they're compartmentalizing us by race and gender and all these different things so that we're not intercommunicating.
And if they can keep us from intercommunicating, then we're not reaching out to each other with compassion.
We're not sharing truth beyond their controlled media.
And we're not able to have that kind of conversation that we naturally would have when we're living the love that we are, true to soul, with purpose, to be able to stand for the things we believe in.
What they're trying to keep us from.
But just like I healed by writing out my memory with the keys that Mark handed me to my own mind, which are in PTSD time to heal, I wrote out that memory, opened those neuron pathways in my brain and regained my free thought, my free will, soul expression, strength of spirit, my ability to laugh in their face while they try to trigger me and see that it does not work anymore.
They cannot heal.
Control me. They cannot stop me from speaking this truth because when everybody else picks up a pen now, writes out their fear, writes out their trauma, reclaims their free thought, opens our communication with each other again, when we start making a difference in our community.
Daring to care for each other, reach out to each other with love, live our freedom and show each other that path to freedom just by living it ourselves, then game over.
We win. They lose.
That's all we need to do is claim our victory.
But we need to find that path forward, realize that that's all it takes, and that it's inexcusable that we allow them to manipulate our brilliant minds anymore.
David, she's bringing up something that you brought up that I think about a lot, which is the dividing of people in such a way that it's basically what I see it as divide and conquer, where they're dividing people in these arbitrary ways.
Now, even with the vaxxed and unvaxxed or the transgender movement, America's 0.007% transgender In the 21 census, but they're trying to indoctrinate 100% of our children.
And then other things, the Black Lives Matter, all falling apart, but all these different divisions.
I've gone through all of, you know, George Soros has a million NGOs for all different groups to divide everyone into the oppressed and the oppressor and the fighting.
And it's so crazy because never before as united we stand, divided we fall, meaning the We're good to go.
Yeah, and what Cathy said there was spot on and she would know.
I've noticed this too, that basically what we call the physical world is holographic.
It's not physical as we perceive it, it's holographic.
And holograms have an extraordinary characteristic Whereby every part of a hologram is a smaller version of the whole.
So if you take a holographic print, like a hologram that you make in these studios, etc., and you cut it into four pieces, and then you put the laser on each of the four pieces, you won't get a quarter of the picture.
You'll get a quarter version of the whole picture.
When these alternative methods of healing, say they find places in the hand and the foot and the ear and all over, that represent the different organs and parts of the body, when you get a skilled, not an otherwise palm reader, They're reading the palm, but what they're doing, the skilled ones, is reading an expression of the hologram.
And within that expression of the hologram, in a smaller way, is the whole hologram, because that's how holograms work.
And so when Cathy talks about society, Expressing the individual mind control, that is absolutely in line with this holographic principle, where everything is a different expression of the whole.
And to me, the brain is...
It's like a computer.
It's a processor of information.
It's not the eye.
It's a processor of information.
It will process information within its band of operation frequency, depending on what it receives.
And so what they've found with this brain plasticity Is that the brain that they thought formed and then just, that was it, actually changes and reforms itself, which is, of course, the basis of mind control, according to the information that it receives.
So if you...
This is another fundamental reason why they want to control the information that people receive.
Because basically...
The brain starts processing information based on the information that it's receiving.
And if that information doesn't change, then it goes on processing in the same way or the neuron pathways, all of them operate in the same way.
And you can get people going back to what I said about isolating people in body, mind, five senses.
Where they basically are just like, literally like software programs.
They're just processing information in the same way without the ability to break out of that neuro stranglehold and process information in a different way.
And when you start to awaken to your true self, expanded levels of awareness, Then they come into the information processing game and they start to change the way, as you perceive a more expanded reality, they start to change the way the brain is processing information because what it's receiving is changing now.
And this is why you can be fast asleep I'm seeing the world in a certain way, which you're told to see it, how you're told to see it.
And then suddenly something else comes in, if you open to it, which can override that program.
Expanded states of awareness can override that program.
And then suddenly you're seeing the world completely differently because your brain is processing a different kind of information, a more expanded state of information.
And it changes...
To respond to that, and suddenly everything starts to change in terms of your perception.
So everything comes down in terms of removing the cause, for me, to this re-evaluation of self-identity.
Because when you self-identify with little me, as I call it, what's that?
That's the labels of a human life.
Then you're seeing everything in terms of limitation.
So what the brain is receiving in your perceptions, therefore the information that it's perceiving and processing, is based on limitation.
It's based on I can't.
It's based on I could never.
It's based on I have no power.
But once you re-evaluate your self-identity from little me, little me simply creates an experience of little me.
If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got.
And suddenly when you say, no, no, no, no, that's not me.
That's an experience that the true I is having.
Suddenly, that expansion of self-identity Becomes, by definition, no meditation necessary.
By definition, that expansion of self-identity becomes an expansion of awareness into a much greater swathe of consciousness.
Just that process of going from this is me to this is me.
And as that process happens, the brain changes because the information it's receiving is changing.
Its perceptions are changing.
And suddenly...
The people see the world in a completely different way, and that's called awakening.
Awakening from what?
The five sense myopia prison.
Right. You said before, and you've been way ahead on a lot of things that have happened to us on this planet, humanity in general.
It does appear right now that the dark forces or the evil, this cabal, this group that have been manipulating us for centuries, but certainly for a very long time, That they are in some kind of panic mode.
And I keep saying to people, they're not done.
As much as we feel that there's been a great awakening and then people are looking at them, but then I see them again.
They're in Dubai having their world government meeting as if the whole COVID and everything worked and now they have their great reset.
And we're seeing, you know, but I see the caged animals backed against a wall that are more dangerous than ever.
And I keep saying to people, like, COVID's not done.
They're not done with it. We have to be done with it.
But again, I feel like we're still in a dangerous time because these...
Evil beings, A, they're exposed, at least by millions of people that didn't look at them before, and B, their entire system, their entire infrastructure, financially, power-wise, is being threatened like never before.
And this isn't the smart ones that formed the plan.
These are the heirs and the lower hanging fruit that adopted the plan.
But what do you see in sense of that?
Because I feel like we can't stop being vigilant and aware that these people are still not done.
Well, this is not over.
It still has to be played out.
And they can't stop because their only means of survival is to keep going.
You know, When you're dealing with a relatively tiny number of people in full knowledge of what they're doing, and they're trying to control a population of closing in on 8 billion, I mean, get yourself a calculator.
I mean, it's a terrible situation to be in because you have to go on controlling the perceptions of your target population to the extent necessary for you to maintain your power.
An analogy I've used over the years of Just how powerful humanity is in its pomp, in its real state of consciousness, is if you want to keep a ball at the bottom of a tank of water, Then you have to push it there.
Why? Because the natural state of the ball, the natural reality of the ball is to float on the top.
So you have to push the ball to the bottom of the tank.
And then you can't let go.
Right. You have to hold it there.
Because the moment you let go, boom!
It's in its natural state again.
And that's where we are.
They have to suppress the consciousness of the target population.
And they have to hold it there.
Right. You know, this is why, I mean, look at the extent they go to.
Right. Keep humanity in servitude.
They've created a whole education system to program the young from the start.
They have a media that's giving the same story.
They have a Silicon Valley that's censoring on the basis of the same story.
And they have to control the banking system and all the corporations, all these things
they've had to do to keep humanity, to hold that ball at the bottom of the tank.
Right.
And all it takes is for that power to wane.
That constant holding of that ball.
And the ball will go, thank you!
It's back in its natural state.
And that's what's happening. When people awaken and start to see it, that's their ball Floating on top of the tank again.
And so they have to work so hard.
And, you know, I think that my sense over the years is that a lot of this bravado, you know, all this bravado, we're all powerful, all this stuff.
I think they're trying to convince themselves as much as they're trying to convince anybody else.
You know, I look at Klaus Schwab and I can't without laughing, you know.
You know, somebody said, you know, oh, well, you know, Klaus Schwab is powerful.
I said, just imagine him having sex, mate.
Imagine Klaus Schwab having sex.
What are you going to do? You're going to laugh, aren't you?
You're going to laugh, because it would be hilarious.
And then you look at Bill Gates.
Is there life on Bill Gates?
I see no evidence. Anthony Fauci?
You've seen him? And it's this...
Perception of their power that is their power.
Not their power, really.
Their power is our power.
It's the power we give them. It's our perception of their power.
Klaus Schwab?
Haven't we frightened of Klaus Schwab?
Have you seen him? Oh, God, you must be joking.
Right, right. And their arrogance, too.
Their arrogance is so disgusting to me.
I know, Kathy, you talked a lot in your book, but to me in real life, about the arrogance of these people, that it's so false and so manufactured that it can't be possibly real.
You say it a lot.
Their arrogance is their biggest flaw.
People see it for what it is.
Yes, their downfall.
That's for sure. Because, you know, again, they are so focused on What they're attempting to do that they haven't really realized how many people have been waking up, how many people are spreading the truth, taking back their communities, making a difference.
Just because the media isn't reporting it doesn't mean that it isn't happening.
And they're totally losing their grip.
They lost a long time ago, as far as I'm concerned.
Back when David and I first met, the world has certainly changed in awareness since those days.
Back then, people didn't even know what mind control was.
Now they know what it is.
They didn't know what human trafficking was.
But now they know what it is.
And we just need to keep educating ourselves with this pertinent truth because truth never goes away.
Just like me and David. I mean, and you.
Truth never goes away.
We are going to just stand by it and keep bringing it to light in ways that people are going to be able to grasp it, be able to hear it, and reclaim We're good to go.
They totally lost it 2016.
They are so frantic.
They're just showing everybody now.
They've totally tipped their hand.
They're showing everybody now what power mongers they are and what their ultimate game is.
And as people become more and more aware...
We realize it's inexcusable.
This is ridiculous to allow them to manipulate us any further.
We don't need to fear a virus.
We don't need to fear each other.
We don't need to fear truth.
Truth freezes from fear.
And once we face that truth, we are free.
Yeah. And for wrapping up, David, I know a lot of people over the world watch you and listen to you, and you've proven again and again to not only be a fearless truth-teller, but somebody who can kind of calm people down.
So as we end up here, I just wanted you to say a little bit to the people out there that still feel kind of hopeless.
At least in America right now, a lot of people are feeling very Like, our country was captured.
There's nothing we can do.
It's hopeless. I mean, no matter how much you say to people, they say, well, what can one person do?
All of that. I just wanted to end on a positive note because you wrote a whole book that I just finished the answer.
And it's really important that people start realizing that there is hope, that it's not over, and that this is not...
This is not, the end game is not going to be disastrous.
It's actually going to be, I believe, far better than where we are.
Well, I'd tell it from my own experience, really getting into this in 1990.
And Going around America in 1996, talking to nobody.
Going around Britain before 1996, talking to nobody.
I became quite fond of the chairs that I was talking to.
I spoke in a theatre in Scotland once, and it was about 325 seats, and we just about filled the first row.
So I spent the whole night talking to the chairs.
And you think, what's the point?
But something inside you drives you on.
And so when people say today, and Kathy will absolutely be with me on this, Not enough people are waking up.
You should have been with me in 1990 and 1991 and 92 and 93 and 94 and 95 and you realize actually there's a phenomenal awakening going on.
Absolutely fantastic.
And you know, people again, one of the things that kind of gets people to think there's nothing you can do is they think the answers are complex.
They're not. The world is not complex.
The way it plays out is apparently complex, but the foundation of it isn't.
Human perception becomes human society.
That's it. Oh, it plays out in apparently complicated ways from that, but that's the foundation of it.
Human perception becomes human society.
What you believe, you perceive.
What you perceive, you experience.
What you perceive dictates your behavior.
So what is human society in the way it is except collective perception made manifest?
That's all it is. So the answer is not complex.
What can one person do?
They can change their perception.
They can change their perception.
They can change their self-identity.
And if they change their self-identity, they'll change their perception.
And they'll change the idea there's nothing they can do.
And if enough people do it, collectively, the world changes.
We have had a chat here, and it's been a lovely chat, because of the perceptions of the three of us.
If our perceptions were different, we could have had a big row for the last period that we've been doing this.
Perception is everything.
Perception manifests everything.
So change perception and you change the world.
And as Cathy said right at the start, what they're trying to do is break our spirit because they can't deal with the spirit that we call human but actually is beyond human.
So they have to crush it.
They can't crush it...
In and of itself, but they can stop it having an influence on the five sense mind's perception of reality and thus the way it behaves and sees the world.
And so this is what they're desperate to do, to crush the human spirit.
So when someone says, look, there's nothing we can do, then that's exactly the situation they want you to be in.
That's what they want. They got you then.
In the end, it comes down to self-respect.
Self-respect has brought down every tyranny in history.
And giving away your self-respect has created every tyranny in history.
Look at any tyranny, it doesn't matter what culture, it doesn't matter what period, it doesn't matter.
The few Control and impose their will because the majority give their power to the few.
In the form of acquiescence, which is giving yourself respect away.
You know, it's not a...
Because this is all psychological.
The whole thing's psychological. Everything.
Whatever they do is psychological.
So why is it...
I mean, there's always been morons in power.
Of course there are. But there's never been more morons in power than in the COVID era.
I mean, you run out of paper writing them down.
Look at Biden and Kamala Harris now in the White House.
Morons! Look at Trudeau.
Moron! Look at Johnson.
Moron! Morrison in Australia.
Ardern in New Zealand.
Macron in France. Morons!
You look at these health officers around the world that have imposed all these things.
Morons! Why?
Because they talk about breaking the human spirit.
Fundamental to breaking the human spirit is getting you to give your self-respect away, because the spirit has self-respect.
This is why it's broken every turn in history, because it said, no, I'm not acquiescing.
And so what they've done, particularly in the COVID years, Is to get morons to tell you to do moronic things.
And they want you to see that they're morons.
And they want you to see that what they're telling you to do is moronic.
Because if you still then do it, they've got your self-respect, they've got you.
Because without self-respect, only submission remains.
So, you know, there's two types of people that have allowed this to happen.
There's that group which just does what it's told without question because it does what it's told without question.
That's all it knows. And there's the other group that doesn't want to do it, but is terrified of not doing it.
Right. And those are the two groups that allowed the COVID fascism to come in and every other fascism and communism in history.
It's the third group that has brought down every tyranny in history because it won't hand over its self-respect.
It says, no, I'm not doing it.
I'm not acquiescing with my own enslavement.
I'm not acquiescing with the enslavement of my children.
I'm not doing moronic things when a moron tells me, or any other person tells me if they're moronic.
I'm not doing it. I will not do it.
And when you look at the number dynamic that we've discussed, you know, someone comes out of the White House or Downing Street or wherever and says, we've had a discussion, this is what's going to happen.
If enough of the population say we're not doing it, it's their power.
It's unenforceable. And I would say this, you know, I'm not a Trump supporter.
I'm not. I have great reservations about the guy.
But the Trump supporters, I have great respect for, because they're the pushbackers.
And even at the last election, which was clearly, clearly, clearly stolen.
I know, I know. Hello?
I mean, hello? Hello?
You've got about 74 million people officially voting for Trump.
They're pushbackers, right? 74 million people out of the American population refusing en masse to cooperate with their own slavery.
Right. You know, suddenly it becomes unenforceable.
We had a situation just very briefly in Britain where the government said that all health workers in the National Health Service here Had to mandatorily have this fake vaccine, otherwise they were going to be sacked.
They pulled that at the last minute, last few days, before it was coming in.
Why? Because the number that said, we're not having it anyway, was so great that the impact on the National Health Service would have been so catastrophic, useless as it is anyway, but catastrophic, the government had to pull back.
Now, if that number had been smaller, if there'd have been more acquiescence That mandate would have gone in.
And so the answer lies with us and it comes back to what we've been talking about.
Am I going to do what I know to be right?
Or am I going to be intimidated into that list of consequences for me so I don't do what I know to be right?
The answer is staring us in the face, but a lot of the time people avoid the answer because they don't want to do what the answer is, which is non-cooperation with authority that seeks to enslave us.
Right, right. And that's been the key all along, is to free yourself from the perception that you are stuck in, that has been hoisted upon you, and listen to yourself and be brave.
You know, not many people are as brave as the two of you.
But it's great examples out there because, like you said, the movement is, when you guys started, there's 10 people in the room.
Now you fill a room very easily.
If you came to America, David, It would be like a sold-out crowd where 20 years ago people were like, what are you talking about?
So that's how we know that it's evolved so much.
Now, David, where can my audience find you?
You've really taken the censorship thing and turned it on its head and found a way to create your own world.
So can you tell my audience where you are?
Well, I mean, you know, one of the great things, and we've seen quite a lot of that in the COVID years, necessity is the mother of invention.
We have access to infinite creativity.
And if we come from the space of, okay, they're trying to shut me down.
Okay, I'll take that as a compliment.
So how do we get around it?
And that's what you do.
And when they come up with another one that you get around that.
And so we started this, my son started it, Jamie, two years ago, a media platform called Iconic.
Right. And it's just been phenomenal the way it's grown and the The information on there.
Now, it's like an alternative Netflix, really.
And I do a news show on there every week, going through the news and putting it into context, not just what's happened, but why it's happened and how it all connects into other things.
And then davidike.com is the hub where all my videos are.
And we do news stories every day, again, in context of what they mean rather than Yeah.
So it's, you find a way around it.
And we've, you know, Iconic's got its own server, so it makes it more difficult to...
Well, I think it's, I have a couple friends on it, Charlie Robinson and some other awesome people, and it's...
Yeah, I love him. And I have to say, I watch your shows every day because nobody can connect.
You call it the Dot Connector, but it's not a joke.
You're the best of the best at it.
But the thing is, you have the context of 30 years plus of looking at it, and not much has changed.
Certainly a lot of the names haven't changed.
But every day I do watch your videos, the Dot Connector videos, and then it really does make me feel better.
Make me feel better.
I'll tell you how concerned they are about Iconic.
They've put a massive 5G tower right outside the building.
Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.
You keep fighting anyway.
They can't shut you down.
Too many people seek you out.
That's the best part. Both you and Kathy, people now seek you out.
So if you ever were to go anywhere, people would come find you.
That's how good they've been at censoring you.
And Kathy, where can everyone find you?
On my website, trans-formation.com.
T-R-A-N-C-E hyphen formation.com.
Yeah, and for anyone who's suffering from PTSD or from feeling like they've been abused or anything, Kathy's book, A Time to Heal, PTSD, A Time to Heal, is a really good workbook for getting yourself started with pen to paper to kind of unlock your mind and free yourself from anything that's holding you back.
David's books are amazing.
I started a long time ago reading them.
I recently read his most recent.
I heard you're working on a new book too, right?
Yeah, I had a book come out.
The lady's book is called Perceptions of a Renegade Mind.
Right. A renegade mind being a mind that critically thinks, but then won't cooperate with what it's realized as the situation, as opposed to a mind that critically thinks and then, well, we've got to do it anyway.
I've just finished another one called The Trap, which is going really, really deep in the rabbit hole.
I mean, really deep into...
Even well beyond this reality.
So the information just keeps coming.
And you realize the rabbit hole is very, very deep indeed.
Yeah, well, thank you for exposing so much, both of you.
And I hope to have both of you back.
And I have to say, America and the world is a much better place because the two of you are brave enough to tell the truth.
And I feel that as we go forward, Unfortunately, everything you guys have been saying for now 30 years will prove to have been more important than anyone could have known.
But we have a history to rewrite ahead and you guys are way ahead in the truth department.
So thank you both for being here.
I think it's a great discussion and everyone keep the faith and pay attention to what David's saying here.
It's your perception that needs to change.
Not your reality that you're being fed, but your internal perception of what is going on.
And one person can make a difference.
And all of us together already won.
God wins here. And thank you again.
Thank you both. Bye-bye.
Thank you very much.
Bye Cathy. Thank you.
The coronavirus pandemic started in China.
Oxygen, medical supplies and physical care have been hampered.
One of the prior vaccines and researchers...
Stage one you create a problem.
It could be a manufactured virus.
You want a reaction and you want them to either say, do something, or you want them to accept what the authorities suggest must be done.
So one of the agendas is to massively cull the population.
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