March 18, 2022 - David Icke
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| This week on Iconic's news and current affairs show right now, I'm speaking to investigative journalist and best-selling author George Webb about the Ukrainian BioLabs. | |
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| Investigative journalist and best-selling author George Webb has written several books on American national security and has spent five years researching American government connections to Ukraine. | |
| He joins us now. George, welcome to Right Now. | |
| You've been researching Ukraine for a long time, so what do you think this war is really about? | |
| Well, I know this is going to be hard to believe, Gareth, but this war is really about dark weapons and especially bioweapons. | |
| It's these labs that Putin is reacting to. | |
| They went from 11 about 10 years ago when I started studying this to 30. | |
| They've gotten closer and closer to the border of Russia. | |
| This goes all the way back to President Obama, then Senator Obama in 2005. | |
| So there's a lot here to unpack. | |
| But it's certainly worth the investigation if you take the time to learn the history of this situation. | |
| I mean, you've been talking about American bio labs in Ukraine for years and people sort of ridiculed you for it. | |
| How do you feel now that it's all over the news? | |
| Well, I wish people would have looked at the evidence, but it's okay because it's more important that the group collective knowledge gets out there. | |
| I actually have an Andrew Weber who worked with a defense threat reduction agency showing Obama, a young senator then in 2005, a vial of anthrax in 2005 in Kiev at a vial lab. | |
| So how they could say that there's no bioweapons in Ukraine is hard to believe, but people just wouldn't look at that evidence. | |
| It took a war, unfortunately, for people to realize that, hey, this is sort of like a Cuban Missile Crisis for Putin. | |
| They get closer, the weapons get closer, the plans getting laid, their plans are being intercepted. | |
| How long do you wait before you have no point of no return to do something? | |
| The mainstream media and the American government are saying that these labs are actually for public health, for veterinary purposes, and are there to study pathogens and prevent outbreaks of disease. | |
| Is anyone actually buying that? | |
| Well, I guess there's a point to be made for any poison to say it has a dual use. | |
| If you remember the anthrax attacks in 2001 in the United States, that was Muhammad Atta and a whole bunch of folks who met ill harm to the United States through a terrorism attack. | |
| But four years later, we have Andrew Weber showing Obama that same vial. | |
| Who knows if that's not where the hijackers were trying to get this, these old Soviet scientists that kind of matriculated down to Ukraine. | |
| So there's a dual use for everything. | |
| Again, if you actually look at the paperwork, the documentation that the Russian ministry has been publishing, the two main generals, The one, Kona, and then the other one is Kirla. | |
| They've been publishing some really stark, startling plans that are not defensive programs, that are offensive programs. | |
| Your tweet about the labs, it generated quite a response from those that you accused of being involved. | |
| Former FBI agent Peter Stork, if I've said that name right, for one, he accused you of all sorts of things. | |
| Can you tell us about that? Well, Peter Strzok, as his name is pronounced, even though it's that Polish name of four continents, has been and has had a lifetime involved in this. | |
| For people in England who are not familiar with him as much, he's the guy who led the opposition of Trump. | |
| He had a crime unit, an anti-corruption crime unit in Kiev called NABU, that was compiling the Trump dossier. | |
| They also compiled something against Paul Manafort called the Black Ledger. | |
| They tried to make Trump's associates all look like, first of all, that they were involved with Russians when in actual fact they were involved with Ukrainians and Ukrainian oligarchs. | |
| So it was sort of a sheep dipping operation that Peter Strzok himself was involved in. | |
| In the takedown of Trump in an operation called Crossfire Hurricane. | |
| But the history goes far longer, far more, back decades with he and his father. | |
| Strzok says himself that he witnessed three revolutions before the time he was 18. | |
| Is that just because he just happened to be in the right place at the right time? | |
| No, his father was a CIA operative that was a critical part in overthrowing those governments, the government of Haiti, the government of Burkina Faso, and the government of Iran. | |
| So again, his father is involved in Central Africa with the testing of these viruses for 20 years, the testing of these vaccines in something called the Safari Club. | |
| Can't get into it right now. It's a little deep, but if you look into the story, you'll see how long this family history is with these bioweapons. | |
| Do you feel that Ukraine is almost the next COVID in the sense that we'll see a whole scale change in behavior as a result? | |
| I mean, I look back just in my personal experience here in little old England. | |
| The England of two years ago and the England now are so far removed. | |
| Can you see that happening as a result of this? | |
| Yeah, I think this is definitely a biosurveillance agenda. | |
| I think we're moving to the next level of surveillance. | |
| I think 9-11 brought in a whole bunch of things both in the UK and here in the United States in terms of just going to the airport and now going to maybe the But this next round is many more interception points for being checked or having your papers checked with vaccine passports, going to the theater, to a sporting event, etc., as we all know, or just the ability to associate with your friends. | |
| So this has got a long-term A sort of bio-Cold War hegemony to it, a longevity to it, I fear. | |
| It does feel here, in this country, with our media, I'm always suspicious when the media is always on the same page on any subject. | |
| Normally they kind of, you know, take different angles and I'm a leftist media, I'm a right media. | |
| They're both on the same page when it comes to Ukraine. | |
| And they kind of look the other way with some of the things that Zelensky's done whilst accusing and vilifying Putin for the same thing. | |
| One of them being, I believe, they passed a law where in the Ukraine, if you do certain things, one of which is just speak out in favour of Russia. | |
| That's 15 years imprisonment. | |
| What do you think about the kind of hypocrisy of the media on subjects like that? | |
| Well, we missed a really good war, an eight-year war in Donbass, Lugansk, and Donetsk to the east of Ukraine, 14,000 people dead, a war of ethnic cleansing where these bioweapons were tested. | |
| There's been far more outbreaks than normal in the orders of magnitude outbreaks with cattle and livestock and the testing there. | |
| Things have shown up there like African swine flu that are not endemic to that area. | |
| We have the Crimea hemorrhagic fever being tested on military personnel. | |
| These things are not normal for that area. | |
| We really have to look to why all of a sudden did everyone grow a conscience in the last 20 days or so since Putin invaded? | |
| No, there's a much longer history here going all the way back to the Nazis and the Nazi collaborators, a guy named Stephen Bandera, a guy named Lebed. | |
| And they're still doing these blood and soil marches, torchlight marches at night, if you can believe it. | |
| The media only a few years ago, only a year ago, was reporting about the neo-Nazi movement in Ukraine. | |
| That has vanished completely since this new narrative has been adopted. | |
| It's the same here in the UK. I remember the BBC did a documentary about Nazis in Ukraine and now it's as if it never happened. | |
| Last week, I think it was, or maybe the week before, they were interviewing someone in Ukraine and he had some photos of people behind him and the one just to this side of his head was blurred and I found that odd and later found out it was because it was a photo of a Nazi and the BBC had blurred it so that people couldn't see it. | |
| The level of... | |
| It's just outrageous. But where do you see the war going? | |
| Because we're kind of, what are we? Are we three and a half, nearly four weeks into this? | |
| How do you see it playing out from now? | |
| Well, the key labs, the Kiev lab that I mentioned with Obama and Andrew Weber in 2005, still is a key lab today. | |
| That concentration of labs has grown to three. | |
| There's a few other labs in the outskirts of Kiev. | |
| I think Putin really wants to get the vials, the evidence in hand, or else the scientists, one of the two. | |
| He got the documentation at a couple of the other labs, but he really, really wants To have that smoking gun of proof for the world court. | |
| And then there's three labs, potentially four in Western Ukraine, in Lviv. | |
| That's a little bit more speculative because that's getting really close to the NATO frontiers of several NATO countries. | |
| But there's evidence there as well. | |
| And Ternopol is the fourth one. | |
| So I think this is all about bioweapons. | |
| I think this is Putin going for the evidence, the reason why he did the surprise attack on the 11 airports. | |
| Is to catch them flat-footed so he could get this evidence. | |
| He said that and they've sent diplomats to the Security Council meeting that they called on last Friday and said that. | |
| That's all they talked about was bioweapons. | |
| So I think it's bioweapons, bioweapons, bioweapons. | |
| Do you think if he gets this evidence and goes, you know, to the court and says, look, here's the evidence, I mean, is that something that's actually going to, you know, be prosecuted in the sense that the people are going to go, oh right, oh okay, Vladimir, you were right then, or is it something that, you know, they won't allow that to happen almost? | |
| Well, I think there has been historical precedent here in 2014 where there was evidence that the Russians didn't do the attacks of Ghouta in Aleppo. | |
| You had on the great Eva Bartlett the other day, who I guess is in Moscow right now, and she was one of the reporters along with Vanessa Beely in the UK. Shifa Gardi, Serena Shim, that all came forward. | |
| Serena Shim was killed, so was Shifa Gardi by Turkish intelligence. | |
| This didn't turn out well in 2014 when this happened the last time. | |
| I think what's different now, Gareth, though, is that there is this citizen journalist community out there where people are collecting information, both historical and current information, and putting it together in ways they couldn't back in Syria. | |
| Your father actually was one of the guys who inspired me to say, hey, take it to the streets. | |
| You can't accept what mainstream media is going to tell you. | |
| If you look at it through their lens, you're never going to get the truth. | |
| I think maybe that's... | |
| I always try and find positives in everything, by the way. | |
| It's, you know, sometimes it's not that easy. | |
| But I think maybe the COVID situation in the last two years, to take one positive from that is that it's made people become citizen journalists because people have thought, do you know what, they're lying to us, they've been lying to us for two years. | |
| And so maybe that, you know, coming into this Russia-Ukraine situation might... | |
| You know, be a real positive, you know, that people are going to be looking into more, asking more questions and seeking answers in different places. | |
| I think that's very true. | |
| Citizen journalism is flourishing right now because people are not only going at things onesie twosie and then being called crazy for it, but now you're getting people working together. | |
| We've done a lot of group meetings, about 30 now. | |
| Of shared news gathering, face-to-face meetings in different parts of the United States, so that we are acting as a team. | |
| And we actually have a much larger virtual team now with the internet and Zoom call capabilities that this thing brought on. | |
| Then news organizations. | |
| News organizations maybe have one or two fact checkers. | |
| We have 30 to 50 to 100 at any one given time. | |
| We have journal clubs every day that we have meetings and talk about news. | |
| So actually, we're actually putting out a better product, a more research product, a more cross-referenced and cross-checked product. | |
| And I do think that's one of the silver linings here in the cloud here of COVID. I agree. | |
| I agree. Thank you so much for talking to us, George. | |
| We really appreciate it. I know you're coming to the country soon, so it'd be nice, if possible, if the stars align to meet you when you come to England. | |
| I'd very much like that. |
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