March 11, 2022 - David Icke
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| This week on Iconic's news and current affairs show right now, I'm speaking to Australian MP George Christensen about why he's quitting politics due to the events of the last two years. | |
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| Earlier we heard how A.J. Roberts left his distinguished military career to embark on a career empowering people. | |
| Well, our next guest is leaving his political career as he says the system is broken and he no longer believes in it. | |
| Australian MP George Christensen said what he's seen in politics over the last two years has changed his beliefs from right versus left to the elites versus the rest of us. | |
| He also says he no longer trusts authority or the mainstream media. | |
| George, welcome to Right Now. | |
| You're leaving your political career of more than 10 years. | |
| Was that a really tough decision for you? | |
| Look, it was. There were two things that I said when I believed that I stopped having a voice that can actually do things in the system is probably when I'm going to go and also when I stop enjoying The world of politics will also go, they both coincided actually over the course of this pandemic and it's just shown that the institutions of democracy that we thought were there for the protection of the people are just not working. | |
| And look, there's a lot of reasons I think that that's the case. | |
| The central one being that politics is downstream of culture. | |
| And we've got a pretty corrupted culture at the moment that's caused the explosion in pandemic insanity that we've seen over the last 18 months to two years, Gareth. | |
| So was it the last two years then that really sparked that decision, or was it something that perhaps you were considering before? | |
| You'd seen, like you're saying, various things, and this was maybe the tip of the iceberg. | |
| Yeah, look, this probably was the tip of the iceberg, but I think that there was an acceleration of, I just can't describe it as anything else other than insanity, policy insanity, like we've never seen before. | |
| I'm probably being a bit, I'm not sure what the term is, but incorrect in saying insanity, because that sort of indicates that the reasons that a lot of this were happening were because of madness. | |
| I don't think that they were. | |
| I think that what we're seeing is a movement away from what Western liberal democracies were supposed to be about towards a woke mob democracy. | |
| And I use the word democracy pretty loosely. | |
| We're seeing wokeism, as they call it, to capture a whole range of institutions. | |
| We know it's captured the media for a long, long time, but now it's captured corporate institutions as well. | |
| And then we have, of course, sitting across all of that, the World Economic Forum Great Reset Agenda, which is really about the fusion of big government with big business. | |
| And in that paradigm, The little people don't get a look in whatsoever. | |
| So that's something that I don't want to be part of, but I want to call it out more and more and I can't do that from inside politics. | |
| So I'm stepping out, I'm stepping out and I'll proverbially throw rocks back in because I think that people doing probably what you're doing and what a lot of other people are doing, being cultural influences for want of a better term, pointing out the The man behind the curtain, that's probably doing a lot more good in politics than actually members of parliament can ever do. | |
| It's really interesting you mentioned the fact that it's not insanity. | |
| I agree completely. | |
| I think these things are completely calculated. | |
| I saw an article in the Daily Skeptics yesterday where it was talking about why did the scientists get it so wrong? | |
| It's like, well, it depends which way you look at it. | |
| I don't think they got it wrong because the goal was what they did. | |
| It just appears wrong to us. | |
| What made you shift from this political paradigm of right versus left to one of elites versus the rest of us? | |
| Look, I probably had that viewpoint for quite a while. | |
| I mean, I'm still probably a bit stuck into the view of conservatives, as we call them in Australia. | |
| It's different to your conservatives are a political party, whereas conservative in Australia would mean more of a movement that transcends political parties. | |
| My frame of mind still probably is stuck in that conservative versus Marxists, but it's continuing to evolve beyond that because I see now that traditionally political parties and politicians and those on the right would have been very pally with big corporations, with big business. But these guys are now more determined than ever To upend the culture, to actually be harmful to families, to individual liberties, and it's all for the ruthless pursuit of profit. | |
| Those things don't correlate with conservatism as I know it. | |
| So that's why I think that my view of the political system really is probably in the process of morphing From that left-right paradigm to one of, it's the Uber elites versus pretty much the rest of us. | |
| They've got a lot of power, they've got a lot of money, and they've got a lot of intent. | |
| And those three things are never going to be good for the rest of mankind. | |
| Absolutely not. As a Member of Parliament, what is it like in Australia? | |
| Because I'm thinking of how things are in the UK, and I remember when John Smith, who was the Head of Labour, died, which, you know, unfortunately, you know, I think we're good to go. | |
| I think we're good to go. | |
| Is there ever a point then where you'd have someone, say like Daniel Andrews, who's just gone to the next level crazy, that you would actually sit and have a beer and go, Dan, what are you doing, mate? | |
| This is madness. Would those conversations ever take place? | |
| Look, I'm not in the Victorian State Parliament, but I can tell you from the experience of the Australian Federal Parliament, and that's where Daniel Andrews sits in the Victorian State Parliament, by the way. | |
| In the Australian Federal Parliament, Yeah, look, there is still a bit of what we call reaching out across the aisle so that there's a bit of fellowship, but it has waned a bit. | |
| Politics has gotten more visceral and jaded, but unfortunately, it often becomes not on the issues, it becomes along personalities, which is the worst type of politics. | |
| And while it is very good to I guess see politicians be human and have a drink together and have a beer together. | |
| I get quite scared, Gareth, for whatever is being proposed when I hear both sides of politics are supporting it. | |
| My ears prick up and I think, what bad thing is happening that it's got bipartisan support from both sides of politics? | |
| That's what scares me more than anything actually. | |
| Oh, yeah. The same here with the Conservative Party and the Labour Party. | |
| When it came to COVID, when it comes to, to be fair, the kind of situation with Russia and Ukraine, they're on the same page all the way, and I'm the same as you. | |
| That rings alarm bells for me. | |
| What was the reaction to you saying that you weren't going to run for re-election? | |
| There was a bit of shock about that because I'm in a seat that's... | |
| Quite safe here with something like a 15% margin. | |
| So quite honestly, I could have gone and held the seat for life if I wanted to, but I don't want to. | |
| And when I said that politics was broken, I think there was probably deathly silence from everyone else on that matter. | |
| But the fact is that politics is broken, at least for people that are very pro-freedom, people who are also of a Traditional mindset. | |
| We don't seem to be able to cut through. | |
| It seems to be always being on the back foot. | |
| And this pandemic has shown us completely to be on the back foot when it comes to the protection of liberties and freedoms. | |
| And I think there's just got to be another way. | |
| And I go back to what I said before about politics being downstream of culture. | |
| I think the only way to fix this issue of a slide into tyranny, quite honestly, that's what's happening. | |
| That's what I'm seeing. Around me in my country and all throughout the Western world, the only thing we can do to stop that is to try and change the culture, and that means waking up more people as to what's going on. | |
| I think a lot of people are waking up now. | |
| I mean, for yourself, you know, the last two years obviously changed your beliefs to a certain degree and now it's going to change your career as well. | |
| Do you think that's a case for a lot of people in Australia that there's almost, there's no turning back now from what they've seen over the last two years? | |
| You know, like once you've seen it, you can't unsee it. | |
| That's correct. I think you're right. | |
| I was just before coming on your show talking to a lady who migrated to Australia from Wales and She's lost her job. | |
| She was a school teacher, a science teacher. | |
| She was dismissed from that role because she chose not to be vaccinated. | |
| Well, I shouldn't say it's not because she chose not to be vaccinated. | |
| It's because the government imposed a rule that said, if you make a choice about your bodily autonomy and the choice is not one we agree with, you're going to lose your job. | |
| She's tried to now get several other jobs and she's been knocked back because She won't show her vaccination status. | |
| It's pushed her to the point where she's having probably mental health issues, pushed her to the point where she's probably regretting actually coming to Australia. | |
| The reason she came to this country is that she wanted to improve her life, to have a better life, and she told me she's very frightened now. | |
| And at her age of life, she's getting on to retirement age, she shouldn't be frightened about The country that she's living in or the way of life, she should be enjoying herself and I guess the slide into retirement, but she's not. | |
| And this is happening over and over again. | |
| I'm hearing these people who have these great frustrations and great fears about where our country is going, Gareth, and it alarms me, it really does. | |
| It is surprising, I must admit. | |
| For me, when I got to leaving school age and people went off to uni and stuff like that, a lot of people did gap years and they went to Australia and that's where they wanted to go. | |
| My sister did it. A lot of people I went to school with actually live in Australia now and the whole selling point was this chilled out, free society of you can express yourself, you can do what you like, there's loads of room and space and the rules are minimal. | |
| And obviously that's just been completely kind of knocked out the park. | |
| So obviously you're leaving politics. | |
| What are your plans now? | |
| Do you have a set plan of like, this is what I'm going to do, like you said, about throwing stones at the establishment. | |
| Is there a way that you plan to do that? | |
| Look, I was a journalist in a former life and obviously with that evil background in my pocket and the evil background of politics in the other pocket, Hopefully put two of them together and use it for the forces of good. | |
| But look, you know, I just want to comment quickly on what you said about the sort of easygoing, laid-back lifestyle of Australia. | |
| We always styled ourselves as a Larrikan people who were against authority, but when push comes to shove in Australia, our culture was one that was completely acquiescent to authority. | |
| It's probably got to do with a number of things, one being the fact that we We've never had some war of independence or revolution in this country, so we've always been under the thumb of authority. | |
| At that stage, it was our British colonial masters. | |
| But moving on from that, because of the vastness of our country, we've also relied on government to do a lot of things for the people, and the reliance on government becomes It's somewhat overwhelming in this country and there's a danger that comes with that. | |
| It's good to have government doing things that's in the interest of the people, but when the government requires things of you in order to have those things done or to look after you, then that becomes a very big problem because we move into the social credit style system that we rightly criticise Communist China for. | |
| Yeah, very much. You are free to do as we tell you. | |
| But thank you so much for talking to us, George. | |
| And I look forward to seeing you, you know, kind of out there now with articles and no doubt podcasts and stuff fighting back against the system there. | |
| And we really appreciate you talking to us. |
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