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March 7, 2022 - David Icke
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Who We Really Are - David Icke Talks To Carl Vernon
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We could talk until the cows come home about current events, couldn't we, David?
But if we are going to stand a chance, I think people need to know and understand more about who we are and why we're here.
And I know they're the biggest questions of all, but if I'm going to throw that out to somebody, it's going to be you.
So who are we and why we're here?
Well, I'm just finishing a book actually about all this.
Nearly completed it.
What has happened, in my view, and I've been on this case, this particular question for 30 years or more, is that we've been given a false self-identity on purpose To make us feel that we are powerless, we are limited, and there's nothing we can do to impact upon our lives, really.
And the way they've done it is to convince us that human is all we are.
Because we have multiple levels of consciousness operating at different levels.
And the way that we directly interact with this world is through the five senses.
And the great majority of people live their life through the five senses alone.
It's everything to them.
They... They process reality.
They process everything from that perspective.
But that's only one part of us.
But if you are going to manipulate and oppress, oppress to the point where people don't push back against oppression, don't even think it's oppression often, Then you have to put people en masse in a tiny bubble of A, perceived reality, and B, perceived self-identity.
And so what you want to do is to get them to self-identify the I with this long list of labels that we're given and give ourselves.
So, man, woman, income bracket, job, race, religion, all these different labels, sexuality now, these are given to us to self-identify with.
When what they actually are are very, very brief experiences.
I mean, I'm coming up to 70.
I know how brief life is.
It's like, it was like I was at Crown Hill School in Leicester yesterday, and I left in 1967.
And so it's a very brief experience.
But what the game is, is to convince us that that's who we are.
Because once you self-identify with those labels, you are immediately, first of all, self-identifying everything with the five senses because that's the realm that those labels operate in.
And secondly, you are putting people in a sense of limitation, a sense of I can't, a sense of powerlessness, a sense of, well, how can you change anything?
It's just too big.
And what you're seeing, and because, you know, we live in two worlds.
There's the world of what I call the global cult, which is a global network of secret societies, and it's secret for a reason.
It's keeping secrets from the population.
And of course, it's keeping secrets as best it can, although the cats and bags are part in company at the moment.
Of where it's taking the world.
But crucially, it has to keep from the mass of the population that question you ask.
Who are we? What the hell is this place?
Because if we knew the full scale of who we are and the full magnitude of what we are, then we wouldn't be easily manipulated and oppressed and suppressed as we are.
So I'm not talking about Bill and Joe down the lodge.
I'm talking about the inner core of this cult.
This knowledge of what reality is and how it all comes together, how our perceptions become our experience, how we are actually creating our own reality through our perceptions, that's all kept from us, has to be.
And so what they've set up in our world...
Is a programming operation from cradle to grave through the bravely called education system and the media, the mainstream media and government and all the rest of it.
And science, what we bravely call science and academia and medicine.
And if you look at them, some cutting edge, proper scientists, proper scientists, Doctors, proper academics aside, and they are few, they're basically reading you the script that you are your labels.
That's what science is telling you overwhelmingly.
You come out of nowhere, you have this brief experience, and then you go into nowhere, life's a bitch, and then you die.
You are just your labels.
So the more that they can focus our attention and our self-identity In the five senses through these self-identity with labels, the more they're pulling our Focus our point of attention out of the expanded awareness that we are, which can give you a totally different fix on the world, and into this five-sense myopia.
And what they're doing systematically, this is a big part of what's happening with the woke thing.
Of course, there's many aspects to that.
They are subdividing the previous labels, if you look at them.
You look at these long list of letters now that are...
There to provide a self-identity for people, down to the fine detail of their sexuality even.
This is taking the previous association with labels down into greater and greater and greater myopia.
And with every step down, the IMRs, as I call them, the phantom selves, Get more and more limited and focused on smaller and smaller labels and the further and further away you're getting from expanded levels of consciousness because you're simply not connecting with it because your focus is here.
And, you know, what's been encouraging, I think, for me, well, it's not I think, it has been, is the number of people I've heard in maybe the last six months Saying it's a spiritual war, isn't it? Now, I don't like the word war.
It has connotations, but I get what they're saying.
They're starting to realize that if you just sweep back all the forms, the labels, the things, the bodies, the races, all of it, the elite and the oppressed, you sweep it all back.
Throw in extraterrestrials and all that as well.
Sweep all that back as well.
And what you're left with is behaviour Resulting from states of consciousness.
Perception becomes behavior.
Perception comes from your state of consciousness.
So the difference between those running this global cult and your Schwabs and your Gateses and all these people and deeper ones, the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers and deeper than that, they are of a certain state of consciousness.
That's why they do what they do.
And the population in its various forms acts as they do because of their state of consciousness.
So if you look through this period we've been through, You have two groups of people that have allowed it to happen.
And those two groups of people are two particular groups of consciousness.
One group just does what it's told without question, what I call crescent of people.
It doesn't question anything.
It rolls up its sleeve.
It does what it's told.
And then you've got the next group, which is a slightly different consciousness, sometimes more than slightly different consciousness, but it's still in that level of awareness that succumbs to fear.
So that consciousness, that second group, can see some of what's happening.
It doesn't want to do what it's told to do, but it does it anyway because it's frightened of not doing it.
Those two groups have allowed the last two years to happen.
They've allowed every tyranny in history to happen.
And the third group, which is a completely different state of consciousness, is one which can see it, or at least to an extent, doesn't want to do it, and therefore doesn't do it.
And that's the group that's...
That's overthrown every tyranny in history.
Why are people at different levels?
If you want to class it as levels, I mean, it's quite interesting the way you're putting it, because it almost sounds like a bit of a game as well, like you're at different levels of the game.
Why are people, however you want to frame it, at different levels, or why are people at different levels of consciousness?
Why is that? I mean, this is very straightforward.
You know, One of the reasons that people give their power away to understanding Reality to scientists and academics and all these people is they think it's complex and they're not clever enough to work it out.
It's actually not complex.
If you break it down to their whole basics, it's actually very simple.
It might look complex the way it all plays out, but it's actually simple in its basic form.
So my consciousness...
Is different to someone who just rolls up their sleeve and says, yes sir, no sir, three bags full.
Why is that? It's simple.
When someone tells me, and this of course is the same for you and endless other people now, hallelujah.
When someone says to me, do this, I say, why?
Why? And if you can't give me a good reason why, then I'm not going to do it.
I'm going to question what you're saying.
And if you can't...
Produce the evidence to support what you're saying, then I'm not going to take you seriously.
And I don't care if you've got a uniform on or a luminous bloody jacket or you've got some fancy title.
I'm not doing it.
So that's the choice that I make.
And I make it because I have the self-respect.
Key, this is...
I'm not going to do what I'm told just because someone in authority tells me to do it.
Because I don't perceive myself as inferior to someone in a luminous jacket, funnily enough.
And I don't feel myself superior to them either.
This is a two-way thing.
So what you've got with...
And also I have the...
The awareness to say, look, I can work this out.
I have the ability to work this out.
I don't have to listen to authority to tell me what's going on.
I can work it out.
Other people, in a different state of consciousness, the present of people, as I call them, they don't think they've got the ability to work it out.
And therefore, what they do is they don't have the self-respect, unfortunately.
To say, I'm not doing what you're telling me because you're telling me.
Show me why. Convince me.
And therefore, they become people who perceive that authority must know best because they don't think they know best.
They don't think they can know best.
And so in the end, It's literally what your perception of self is and what your perception of the world is.
And this is why if you look at perception, which is the foundation of everything, it's what they're trying to manipulate all the time.
This whole foundation of the conspiracy is control of perception because then you control behavior.
Where does perception come from?
It comes from information received.
An information, Carl, that you allow yourself to receive.
So if you are, for instance, going through the last two years, watching only the BBC and ITV and CNN, then you are not going to get the information that That's going to give you a breadth of possibility.
You're going to get the information that's going to give you one possibility, which is the official possibility.
And if you don't have, A, the self-respect, but also the basic street-wiseness to know that these media organizations lie to you, Then you're just going to take what they say is true, and that's going to become your reality.
That's going to become your perception.
And as a result of being your perception, it's going to become your behavior.
And that's what's happened.
This cult knows this.
You're well aware that the foundation drivers of all the restrictions have been psychologists.
Like Susan Mikey in Britain, a stalwart of the British Communist Party.
They've been driving the restrictions and they've all been based on psychology because this is the stadium in which the whole of life is played out.
You You control perception.
You control behavior. You control enough perception.
You control human society.
And so, you know, when people say in the way they describe it, we're in a spiritual war.
Well, what we're in is a tussle between basically two states of consciousness.
One which is to control, impose, and take over, dominate, and one which wants freedom.
And what we've allowed, it's been very frustrating for me over the last 30 years, I can tell you, what we've allowed is that which wants to control and impose and overpower has been left alone Decade after decade to put these things into position and put people into position, which they can now use against us in terms of laws, in terms of personnel, to take our freedom away.
And what's happening is more and more people are starting to realize that actually this is the most important thing in their lives now.
Because if we don't Respond to this, and it is beginning to gather, then we ain't going to have a life as we perceive it, because the level of control will make Orwell wince.
In the end, perception that's going to decide this.
In everyday terms, David, if people raise their self-respect, if people raise their critical thinking and in turn raise their consciousness and everything that you've been talking about there, in everyday terms, what would it mean if it was happening on more of a mass scale?
Of course, this is key to, I'm sure, why it's not taught in school.
And, you know, how that might reflect in people's behaviours if it was.
So if this happened on more of a mass scale, what would it mean in everyday terms for people if they did it?
Well, it would mean that government couldn't impose its will.
I mean, you know, when people say to me, what's the solution?
I say, get yourself a calculator.
Put in close to eight billion and then take away...
The people in political power, the people in uniform, the people in military, take them all away from the 8 billion.
And how many of the 8 billion are left?
Well, nearly all of them.
Yeah, exactly. That's it.
And, you know, if you look at the truckers in Canada, Well, what they did was fantastic, and there's going to be a lot of knock-on from that, which is going to be very positive.
So if people were fully awake, or not even fully awake, but awake to the level of self-respect that I'm talking about, There wouldn't have been a city in Canada that would have been functioning once the emergency rules were in.
And Trudeau came out with his nonsense in Freeland, these two World Economic Forum gophers.
Canada would have stopped.
And the Parliament would have had no body servicing the Parliament.
They wouldn't have been able to get cars because no one would drive them.
They would get no food delivered to Parliament.
This is what would have happened if you reach that state of consciousness en masse.
But of course, that's not what happens because you've got these two groups.
The first group would say, yeah, stop the truckers, yeah, can't do that, can they?
And the other group says, well, I kind of agree with what they're doing, but, you know, it's consequences of me getting involved.
And that's what this thing was about, you know, with going for the even, you know, $50 contributed to the truckers fund.
That's why they targeted them.
That's why the cult-owned media was naming these people, because they're terrified of unity.
The only way that they can control billions of people is to divide and rule them, is to de-unify them, is to play them off against each other, which we've seen very much in the last two years, of course.
And anything that's about unity, they're terrified of.
I think one of the things that's kind of happened, while they've pulled the brakes off a bit, for a bit, it's not intended to stay like that, but they've pulled it off for a bit.
To an extent, they're trying to divert people's attention away, and of course they have with what's going on in Ukraine, because they want to take the steam, you know, they want to burst the bubble of what was developing.
And so they're terrified of unity, which is why, as you well know, those that put themselves on public display who can see it, and the truckers could see it, people supporting the truckers could see it, then they have to be destroyed.
And another symbol of seeing it is not to have your...
Not to roll up your arm.
And that's why they've done so much to try to target those people because those people by that action are telling you they...
They're in the third group and they want to destroy them.
They want the American military, they want that mentality out.
And the police, they want it out.
They want it out of government.
They want it out of everywhere. They want it out of the health service around the world.
But again, you come back to this, there's billions of us and there's a handful of them.
And if enough unity can be...
Brought together among the billions, it's game over.
I mean, you know, you saw...
I was at the march, actually, in London, when there was this basically dual protest between the people that have been there for the last two years, and then in came all these National Health Service staff who...
Didn't want to go through the mandatory impositions.
And, you know, they were throwing their uniforms and stuff into Parliament and everything.
And that built up.
And enough of them, and this is the point, again, makes the point, enough of them said we're not having it.
And because enough of them said that we're not having it, the impact of sacking them would have been so monumental that they withdrew it.
Now, if a great number of those people that said we're not having it had had it, and it was a much smaller number, they'd have sacked them.
So all the time, every indication, we have the power, but people have to have the backbone to express that power and not be frightened of authority.
And the unity side of it, David, again, from an everyday aspect, from what we understand about all the good things, you know, the classic side of love over fear, the unity side of it, if it happened on a grander scale, how do you envisage that?
Is that something above and beyond our comprehension at the moment?
I always remember a scene in The Matrix With the architect.
And he said, we designed a system, a matrix, and it was perfect.
But it didn't work because it was perfect.
And I suppose this is where this kind of balance comes in, the yin-yang type stuff.
How do you see that in regards to unity and where we can go with consciousness, where we can go as a race?
How do you see it?
Well, you know, two things.
It's self-respect and it's mutual respect.
I have a simple philosophy on life.
Do what you like so that you don't impose it on anyone else.
What you do with your life is none of my business.
It's my business when you're imposing it on someone else or you're imposing it on me.
So, you know, if you want to do this, that or the other, then do it.
You know, as long as everybody involved is quite okay with that.
But don't start, you know, imposing on everyone else.
So, for instance, if someone wants to say that they are a different gender to their body type, I have no problem with that.
Good luck to you. But don't tell me that I have to change my life to fit in with you.
And I have to call you them, they...
Which is an insult to the language and I like language so I'm not going to insult it so I will not call you that.
Just don't impose it on me.
It's mutual respect and I'll tell you something very topical actually.
I've been reading that The European Union is going to ban RT, the Russian TV operation, and that Ofcom, this fascistic broadcast censor, government censor in Britain, is considering doing the same to RT in Britain.
Now, that is an expression of control.
And control of what?
Control of information, which means attempted control of perception.
It all comes down to the same thing.
It always comes back to it.
Now, in an open world with mutual respect, I may vehemently disagree with what someone's saying, but I will just as vehemently stand up for their right to say it.
Yeah. Because, you know, to have respect for the population is to say we're going to have the free flow of all information and then people are going to make their own mind up what they make of it and what their perceptions are chosen to be as a result of it.
And that's what confident, open-minded, free-thinking people do because They are secure.
This is a very important point, actually.
They are secure in themselves.
And secure people don't want to control.
They just want to get on with their lives.
They don't want to control others.
Insecure people want to control others.
That's why you'll never meet a control freak Who isn't insecure.
Or they might do the bravado and, you know, the outward confidence trying to convince themselves as much as anyone else.
But inside, they have complete insecurity.
And this cult, in all its forms and in all its levels, is deeply insecure.
And that's why it has to control everything.
It couldn't...
It will never be at peace with controlling a football team.
It would have to control both teams and the referee.
It has to know the outcome of the game before the game starts.
Otherwise, it can't stand states of flux, in other words, which it can't call.
So that's why it goes around trying to control everything and controlling all sides in every situation.
Whereas open-minded people And truly conscious people, they are not in that situation.
They're quite happy for the free flow of information to flow because they are confident, first of all, that they can stand their ground in any debate.
The last thing I want to do is censor anybody.
Why would I? Because if I censor someone else, I'm censoring myself.
If any one person doesn't have freedom of speech, no one has it.
Because all that's left is the right to conform to what is considered okay freedom of speech, which is not freedom at all.
So what this cult is doing, in its insecurity...
Because it knows that its stance, its claims, its narrative cannot stand the light of debate and exposure.
It has to go around silencing everybody.
And of course, we're reaching now historical, well, actually, yes, historical levels of it outside wartime.
What's the need for that absolute control, David?
Is it not freaking boring?
I mean, from a psychological point of view, just from an existence point of view, to have any form of any life, there needs to be uncertainty as much as certainty.
So what is the need for this absolute control?
Is it not freaking boring?
Well, for them it's necessary.
This is interesting because we can go a bit deeper into this whole, what is this consciousness?
It's a question I've been asking for decades.
I want to know the consciousness that's driving this cult.
And as I've gone around looking at different religions and different ancient concepts and ancient societies and cultures, You find a very, very compelling common theme.
And, you know, what's happened is that people have become so focused on what divides them, they can't see how much they agree on.
So, you look at Christianity, and I'm not, I don't follow a religion, I don't ever do religion, but you look at Christianity and they talk about the devil and Satan and You look at the Gnostic belief system and they talk about Yaldabaoth, exactly the same as the devil, and they talk about the Archons, Greek for rulers, which are the Christian demons.
You look at the Islamic belief system and you see Iblis and Satan and the djinn.
And then you go across to North America and you find the concept in the Native American culture and the Native Canadian culture of Wetiko, which they call a mind virus.
And when you actually break it down, just put the names aside, how do they describe what they put their different names to?
And you find that it's the same, basically.
It is a very...
Imbalanced, inverted, that's why the world's inverted, state of consciousness.
And I... I define evil as the absence of love.
You take love out of something, you know, evil is pretty much remaining, especially if you take it out totally.
And so you have this inverted evil consciousness.
I mean, evil is the word live written backwards, and it is actually an inversion of life.
It's why, you know, in its, like, satanic expressions, which is the same thing with T-curl, this consciousness, they're obsessed with death.
Everything's about death!
And, you know, to this Wetiko consciousness, I'll call it Wetiko, I could call it all of him, any of the names, A war is a banquet because they're obsessed with death.
And this consciousness feeds, literally feeds off the energy of death, of fear, of anxiety, and all these low vibrational emotions.
So interesting, you've mentioned the matrix already.
When the Morpheus character held up the battery and said the machines have turned humans into one of these, that was actually symbolically a very profound truth.
Because this consciousness, and you look around the different cultures and all these different expressions of this around the world, they're all agreed that actually this is what's happening, this consciousness, this Inverted consciousness, chaotic consciousness, evil consciousness is feeding off human low vibrational energy.
So things like, you know, opening your heart, love, joy, happiness, all these high vibrational states, it doesn't want them.
Once it's in low vibrational state.
So if you look at the way society operates, especially now, it's become more and more obvious if you look for it.
They're always trying, when one is kind of fading in terms of producing fear,
then something else comes in to ramp it up again.
So you've gone through two years of fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, and the narrative started to wear thin.
And more and more people were saying, you know, to hell with it.
I haven't frightened of it anymore.
There are still some, but on the scale of 2020, vastly fewer.
And so boom, we're into something else.
Oh, the world war!
Oh, nuclear war! And it's to keep this anxiety going.
And it's been, it's so obvious when you see that's where it's coming from.
And also, of course, and this comes back to perception, because this Wetiko consciousness, this, you know, Satan consciousness, Yaldabaoth consciousness, whatever you want to call it, is very low frequency.
It has to pull humanity into its frequency, A, to feed off them, because...
People are joyful and full of love and unity.
They can't feed off that because it's like two radio stations.
They're not on the same wavelength. But the other thing about drawing people's consciousness into this low vibrational wetiko frequency is not just that you can then feed off their energy.
It's that you can then attach your consciousness to theirs and they start to express you.
Is that the ultimate prize, David?
You know, in regards to the biggest question of them all is why, everything that you've just said there, if we link it back to the why, is that the ultimate prize, consciousness?
Well, what you can see when you come from the perspective we're chatting about now, you can see why they want to connect the human brain to artificial intelligence.
Because they, at the moment, you see, they have to, they have other ways of doing it, but they have to overwhelmingly control the information you receive to dictate your perception.
What they want with, and they're talking 2030, people like this psychopath Ray Kurzweil at Google and others in Silicon Valley, to start connecting the human brain to AI. What they want to do then is to give you your perceptions direct.
That's what that's about.
And people like Kurzweil, they're telling you.
They're not trying to hide it anymore because there comes a point where you're so close to...
Your great reset and all that that means that you can't hide it anymore because it's becoming reality in front of people's eyes.
So therefore, you go into the next stage, not hiding it, which they've been doing all along, moving it under the radar.
You go to selling it.
So now they're in the sales pitch era now.
And so Kurzweil is openly saying that once AI is connected to the human brain, AI will do more and more and more of human thinking until human thinking as we know it is negligible.
That's his words, not mine.
And so it is for years, decades, I've been writing in the books about the goal is the assimilation of Of human consciousness into this, well, I call it Wetiko now, but I called it the mind virus at the time, which, funnily enough, is exactly how the Native Americans describe Wetiko and mind virus.
And, you know, if you take that analogy of the mind virus, it's very, very appropriate because if you take the analogy of Five sense awareness directly interacting with this reality, but connected to expanded levels of awareness, which give the five sense awareness a much bigger fix on the reality that it's experiencing.
Then you're in this world, but you're not totally of it.
You've got other perspectives.
And that's the same as having a computer, which is connecting you directly to the internet, like the five sensors, if you like, and the computer operator that's got the big picture.
But if you have a computer virus, then...
It takes over the operating system.
It takes over that level of this interaction, which is directly connecting you to the internet, symbolic of this reality.
And thus, you're banging the keys and banging the mouse, but no one's hearing anymore.
The virus has now taken over the operating system and is making its decisions.
And that is what Wotiko seeks to do.
It seeks to get into these spaces between expanded awareness and five sense awareness and break that connection so that it becomes mission control and not expanded levels of awareness.
You go on these marches and stuff in London and I was on a program while the The trucker's protest was going on in Ottawa, and there was two people on it that had been there.
I think one of them was already there, was coming from there.
And one of the things they said was, you know, we've never felt energy like it.
Yeah. You know, and you get this.
You get this again and again.
Now, you know, we've all been on, you know, marches against wars and stuff long ago.
And that's a certain, you know, mentality, often quite aggressive.
But in these marches and rallies in London, there's something else.
And it's getting more powerful.
The last one I was at, what was it, the last month, it was even more of this play.
There's this love, this unity, this joy, which is just a beautiful energy.
It's powerful, but it carries peace as well, doesn't it?
Exactly. That's this expanded state of awareness becoming manifest.
And I was interested, I wonder if you saw this, some poll that was done last week, and they did, I think they talked to a lot of people, like 21,000 people or something like that, of jabbed and unjabbed, and the different attitudes to each other.
Yeah, rings a bell, yeah.
And they found that the jabs had a hostile view, but that was not coming back the other way.
And that is an expression of this consciousness.
And This is the change where it's going to take place because that consciousness is untouched by Watiko, this low vibrational state of consciousness.
And if you're not touched by that, then you're in a much more powerful position because you're in control of your own mind again.
The people who are Watiko-ed are not in control of their own mind because they're actually, you know, I mean, If you look at that large group of people worldwide in the two years since 2020 who just did what they did without question, that's Wotiko. Why is a Wotiko mind going to question a Wotiko agenda?
It's not. It's just going to do. And this is the foundation of it.
This is where it's coming from.
And what we mustn't do, and it is a bloody challenge, is as they're throwing these cards at us, latest one unfolding now, is not to get pulled into it.
Because if you get pulled into it, you know, because what Watiko is doing, Is fighting itself all the time.
Sets up these things all the time.
So, you know, you look at Putin and what he's done in Ukraine.
That will take up.
But he's being condemned by the leader of Ukraine, who is running not a democratic country, but a very undemocratic one.
He's being condemned by Biden.
He's being condemned by all these European leaders being condemned for human rights by Justin Trudeau.
And what you're looking at is Watico.
Watico's condemning Watico.
Watico's doing it.
Watico's condemning it.
When you look in America and you've got Antifa, not just America, but Antifa, Oh, we're fighting fascists.
Yeah, okay. What, with fascism?
Yeah. That's Watico!
The woke mentality that's saying you must only say what I agree with, that's Wotiko.
They're all expressions of this consciousness.
And yet that which says people should be allowed to have their opinion and people should make their own minds up about what they think of it, that's beyond Wotiko.
And so it is absolutely a consciousness tussle that we're involved in.
And do you know what? People can see it.
People can sniff it.
It's this energy type thing, whether it's vibrational or frequencies or whatever it is.
And more and more people are seeing it.
And what's your advice...
For people as well, and I include myself in this very much, in regards to current events, making people question more, bringing out more critical thinking, upping the awareness and the consciousness, and for some people, literally being dragged across, although they don't quite want it.
It's like, do you know what?
You know, if I don't do that procedure, I lose my job, or, you know, lots of things happen in their lives because people react when things happen to them.
Lots of things happening to lots of people.
What's your advice? For people who are just waking up or certainly questioning things more.
I'm talking to a guy who has faced so many challenges throughout his life for decades now.
And you've never faltered.
You've been on this path.
So I suppose the other string to that, David, is is it worth it?
Oh, he's absolutely been worth it.
I'll tell you what, though, mate.
There were many occasions it didn't seem like it.
Actually, year after year after year after year, it didn't seem like it.
But something drives you on.
And the thing is, once the penny drops of what's happening and where he's planned to go, I don't know about other people, but you can't walk away I mean, you can't walk away and ignore it.
Well, I couldn't anyway. I mean, how do you bloody sleep at night?
How do you shave in the morning without averting your eyes?
When you know where this is planned to go and you see the kids in the street and you know what their future is going to be like, if this is not headed off, and you do it because it's right.
And, you know, this is a big part of this expanded state of awareness, which is not, you know, The Buddha sitting cross-legged on a bloody mountain or under a tree.
Everybody has expanded levels of consciousness because we're all in the end a point of attention within the same infinite state of consciousness.
It's a choice.
You can live your life like that and you can live your life like that and they're completely different lives and you know Not much irritates me because I've been there and done that and had the bloody lot thrown at me.
But one thing that makes me go, oh, God, no, is when I'm described as a new age conspiracy theorist, right?
Now, you can call me a conspiracy theorist.
I couldn't care less. But the new age stuff, it's nonsense.
You know, I looked at that arena very early on in the 1990s because at that time, if you were Trying to understand reality.
It was the only kind of arena where anything was happening.
I used to speak at whole life expos that used to go on then in America where, you know, it was all that stuff and you had this perfect food made in a perfect way with perfect water.
I used to go to it and say, yeah, I'll have some of that.
You got any ketchup? You know what I mean?
And it's like, ketchup!
But, because, you know, they tend to stand themselves a bit seriously.
But what I was seeing was you have to do this.
You have to go on a quest.
You have to get yourself a guru.
You have to do this. You have to do that.
You have to do that. And, you know, all I've done, which transformed my life, was to re-evaluate my self-identity.
It was that simple.
What you identify with is what you connect with.
It's so freaking simple.
When I see these complicated guru bloody things going on, oh, you've got to do this and you've got to do that.
No! Re-evaluate the I. And everything comes from that.
So if you perceive yourself to be the labels of a human life, and that's you, that's all you are, Then you are operating on the frequency represented by that self-identity.
The cult knows this.
This is why it's subdividing labels in the woke arena to get people into smaller and smaller senses of self.
Maybe that's what that New Age thing as well was a little bit as well, David.
It's putting people in boxes and you have to be a certain way.
And again, when you do that, it's a form of control, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, I mean, you know, this word spirituality, I mean...
It has connotations.
Spirituality is just life.
It's who we are.
You see, people have to label everything.
And I understand you do the little labels because then you know this label from that label and that's alright.
As long as you know they're freaking labels.
Once you start self-identifying with them, you become them.
So Instead of self identifying with the labels of human life, you self identify the I With being expanded consciousness, having the experience called human.
And it may seem trite and, you know, kind of pedantic.
It's not. It changes everything.
Because once you self-identify the I with expanded levels of consciousness, you connect with those expanded levels of consciousness.
What you identify with, you become.
And thus you start to see the world completely differently.
That will never see what's going on, because it can only see dots.
It sees everything. If you look at the five senses, it decodes the world, or they decode the world, the visual one decodes the world, as form, because that's the only frequency it can perceive, and in between is empty space.
But there is no empty space.
It's all consciousness. It's all energy.
It's all possibility and probability waiting to manifest.
Waiting to manifest how?
Through the perception or connection between us and this quantum field of possibility and probability that we're all part of, like fish swimming in a sea.
So if you are...
Looking at yourself in terms of little me labels and sub labels, then that is your perceptual field.
That represents your perceptual field, the I field.
So that I field is going to be so tiny that And so limited and so low vibrational because it's reflecting your self-identity, which perceives itself in those very same terms of limitation.
And I can't.
And therefore, you interact with the field of possibility and probability, consciousness.
On that level, within that frequency band.
So what you're going to do is you're going to connect with possibility and probability in the field that reflects the band that you are connecting with.
So your perception is going to manifest that reality.
Little me is going to live a little me life because that's what you are creating.
Right? And that's why this cult knows that.
It knows this.
That's why it knows that if it can control your perception, it doesn't only control your behavior, it controls your life experience.
Whereas when you self-identify with being consciousness, ultimately all consciousness, having an experience called human...
Then that expansion of self-identity reflects in the expansion of your perceptual field.
Now you're interacting with the field of possibility and probability on a vastly greater scale and a higher level of frequency, which comes from a higher level of self-identity and perception of self.
And suddenly your life starts to reflect that.
You start to find amazing synchronicities and coincidences and bits of luck just when you need them.
Coming into your life.
I experienced it.
Obviously, I'm watching this all the time.
I see it happening in other people I have for 30-odd years, seeing this process of awakening.
What is awakening?
Oh, I'm awakening. No.
What are you awakening from?
They're awakening. From the five-sense prison cell.
That's what you're awakening from.
You're awakening from the bubble of limited self-identity and limited perception of reality.
And once you go through that process, now you're not seeing dots.
You're seeing pictures and patterns.
The pixels are becoming pictures and suddenly you can see it.
You know, I think he's a good guy.
He says some interesting things, but I was watching an interview yesterday with Jordan Peterson, the Canadian psychologist, and he was saying how much he admired Elon Musk.
And Elon Musk, of course, is vastly involved in this global cult.
The three major things he's doing are all serving the cult agenda.
With the SpaceX, he's putting up these low-orbit satellites to pound the human society with 5G and 6G and Wi-Fi to create this global cloud that they want to connect us to.
He's running Tesla, which is moving towards driverless cars, where the computer decides where you can go and where you can't go, instead of you deciding anymore.
And he's running this Neuralink company, which wants to connect the human mind to computers, killing a lot of monkeys on the way, it seems.
And Peterson was saying how much he admired him.
Now, that's not because Peterson's part of it.
It's because Peterson represents, although he does say some very interesting things in this intellectual arena, but he's still stuck in the intellect.
And the intellect is a five-sense phenomenon.
And if you look at academia, and you look at science, and you look at medicine, they're all intellect-founded professions.
And if you get out of the intellect, you get out of the box, which the intellect is, then suddenly your career doesn't get funding and doesn't go upward anymore.
And because Jordan Peterson is in the intellect, he can't see beyond it.
So there are concepts that he cannot grasp because he's not at that point where he can connect the dots.
He can see dots.
And it's very interesting when he's talking about psychological dots and stuff, but he can't connect them.
And if he did connect them, of course, he'd say, no, Elon Musk, well, look at what he's doing.
Obviously, he He's part of it.
Maybe you don't want him.
Well... I mean, he's one of the most intelligent guys you'll listen to, like you say, from an intellectual point of view.
Based on that, you've got to say to yourself, well, if he's got that level of intelligence, then clearly he knows stuff.
So if he knows stuff, then it gives you choices.
Do you go there or do you not go there?
Yeah, there's that.
And, you know, there's another kind of area which I've...
Kind of blasted through, really.
And that is the fear of what other people think.
And, you know, you can have a situation where you can speak out like Peterson has.
And because you don't care what you are criticizing things.
But you still care about what, and I'm not saying this is the true of Peterson, I'm using an example, but you still care about that which you operate in, things.
And that's a prison.
True freedom is not to say I don't care what anyone thinks.
You listen to people, but you come to your own conclusions.
And once you have, you speak out.
And if someone around you doesn't like it or doesn't agree with you, then that's fine because that's what life's about.
But you're not going to say it because of how people might respond.
That's how we got into this mess.
This is the second group.
I don't agree with it.
What I'm going to do is I'm going to crack on that two and two equals five.
I know it equals four, but I'm going to crack on it equals five because life's simpler that way.
That's the group that is fundamental to tyranny imposing itself.
But that's the indoctrination, isn't it, David?
That's what we're taught from a very early age, to be bothered about what that person's thinking, to be bothered about what that celebrity's doing or not doing, and you've got to think like this, and if you defy that, you don't go with what the rooms say, and then, oh, you know, you're an outcast.
This is just the pure indoctrination, isn't it?
Exactly, exactly that.
And if you look, Carl, at the woke...
Mentality, which of course is cult billionaire funded through the schools, the universities and the corporations, then it's more extreme now than it's ever been.
You know, you're a kid at school or university, you've got a different opinion.
I mean, you've got a challenge on.
But that's what expanded awareness does.
It will speak its truth no matter what, because it knows it's all a load of nonsense.
It knows that, I mean, I've experienced this anyway, but it knows that What they say today, they'll say something else tomorrow.
I mean, people who were laughing at me in the street are now coming up and asking me what's going on, you know.
And they're asking me what's going on because I kept saying it despite what they were doing before, which was laughing at me and ridiculing me.
Again, when you self-identify, everything comes from this.
When you self-identify with being an expression, a point of attention, ultimately, potentially all consciousness, having a brief experience called human, then what happens in the brief experience takes on a whole different perception, a different way of seeing it.
Whether people... It's criticized you on Twitter.
I mean, that, oh, have you seen what they've said?
Oh, oh, that's terrible.
Couldn't give a shit. Doesn't matter, they'll say something else tomorrow.
What matters is I speak my truth and I live my truth.
Because very soon, I'm out of here anyway.
I mean, even if you're just here, very soon you're going to be out of here.
It don't last that long.
But you see it in a totally different way.
So, you know, when people hurl abuse at me, it goes in one ear and out the other because it doesn't matter.
And ultimately as well, David, we don't really know what is right and what is wrong anyway.
So in the end, all we can live by is what we thought was right.
And then whether it was right or whether it was wrong, it was the only thing that we lived by.
That's what I mean by that.
I'm conscious of time, David.
Well, you know, one of the great things I've lived by over the years is a quote attributed to Socrates in ancient Greece.
Wisdom is knowing you know nothing.
Exactly. Not even God knows if he's got a God.
That keeps your mind open to all possibility.
Again, when you come back to this caring what other people think, the next stage of that is, am I going to speak about what I have concluded by leaving the box?
Or am I going to keep my head down?
You know, people said to me, you know, when you talked about shape-shifting reptilians, didn't you know you were going to be ridiculed?
And I thought, I was a journalist for a long time.
I'd worked it out.
But... I've got enough information, enough evidence over years and years in different countries, ancient and modern, I was confident to go with it.
So you go with it.
And you know people are going to ridicule you.
Of course they are.
It sticks. It sticks, though, because, I mean, look, this is what I mean about in regards to challenges, David.
And the challenges that you face and the path that you've continued on, why is it worth it?
Ultimately, if you were to sum it up to people who are right now struggling, there are so many people struggling at the minute thinking, do you know what?
There's all this shite and this crap and this happening over here and now they're starting this bloody war and they're doing this.
Why is it worth it?
Well, first of all, it's worth it on a merely human level, if you like, because our kids and grandkids are going to live in a nightmare world if we don't head this off.
And people not much younger than me are going to live in a nightmare world.
If they think it's been a nightmare over the last two years, we'll stick around.
It's only just beginning if we allow this to happen.
Absolutely. But, you know, why is it worth it?
Well, see, something's driven me on.
I went through the 1990s, particularly the 1990s.
Can you name it?
Is it something?
Is it you?
Can you name it?
It's just a drive that you have to keep going, you have to keep understanding more, and you have to keep communicating it.
And, you know, I've had situations in my life where, just as I thought not worth it, something would happen.
So I would go, I went round America in 1996.
Speaking to nobody for three months.
Nobody. Five people in someone's front room in New England.
Four people in a place near Chicago.
In these whole life expos, I was the conspiracy nut guy.
It was put on at the end of the night about nine o'clock when everyone had gone home.
And you thought, well, you know, what's the point?
And just when you think that, I went to Vancouver Yeah.
In Canada. And 250 people turned up, which was a colossal number for me in those days.
Yeah. And you just think, it's worth it.
It's worth it. And I went on a, I would call it a speaking tour.
That's far too grand for what it was.
I went on a tour of speaking to nobody in England, pretty much in that same period.
And I was talking to nobody.
Nobody. It's just ridiculous.
And I remember once, I was going to, one of the things on this tour was in Manchester, was at Manchester University.
And I thought, you know, I had a lot of interest.
So I thought, we're going to get a decent crowd tonight.
It's going to be worth it because no other night was worth it.
And so I was with a friend of mine, and we were in Manchester, so we think, well, you know, what can we do for the afternoon?
So we went around Coronation Street set, you know, the old set, and most of it's indoors.
And so we went around and thought, we're going to get a good crowd tonight.
And we came out, it must have been about four o'clock.
And this absolutely enormous snowstorm had hit Manchester.
Enormous out of nowhere.
And we got in the car heading to the venue, put the radio on and they're saying people should stay at home unless absolutely necessary.
So I get to Manchester and there's nobody there again.
And you think, this is pointless.
And then I went up to Scotland, Forest, I think they call it, and the theatre was 325 seats and we just about filled the first row.
And And I was just about, you know, what's the point?
And I turn up to Edinburgh, and out of nowhere, it was absolutely bloody packed.
So it drives you on to the next stage.
And something always came up to give you the impetus to keep going.
And then you see the reward.
You see the reward when people come up to you at a march or in the street and say, you changed my life.
And you think, well, it was bloody worth it then, wasn't it?
And then when you see how people have started to get what they weren't getting before in the last couple of years, because it's been a massive awakening because of what's gone on, you think it was bloody worth it, wasn't it? But to be honest, Even if it wasn't worth it, I still have done it.
Because once you kind of open your heart, and, you know, we've lost...
We've lost the understanding of love.
We're relating love to physical attraction.
Now, that can be part of it, but it doesn't have to be.
One of the great forms of love relationship is friendship.
I mean, you know, they say about friends there, you know, a friend walks into the room when everyone's walking out.
That's an incredibly...
Great example of the kind of love I'm talking about.
Love without condition.
And once you kind of open your heart to that, you're always going to do what you know to be right.
And so, you know, you don't go through, for instance, talking of the second group, you don't go through a checklist of If I do what I know to be right, what are the consequences for me?
You don't do that. That never happens because to have a checklist is to contemplate not doing what you know to be right.
Now, you'll never do that.
So, no checklist.
I'm not, you know... It's like...
I'm going to do what I know to be right and the consequences take care of themselves.
But for sure, I'm going to do what I know to be right.
So I would have done it no matter what.
And to be honest, if no one had got in, if they were still abusing me now on the scale that they were, historic levels, I'd still be doing it.
Because it's right that people have the opportunity to see the world in a different way.
And that's the whole point.
It's not about saying you must believe what I'm saying.
It's saying you have a right to see that there's other ways to see it.
And if you look at it and it makes sense, go with it.
If you look at it and it doesn't make sense to you, well, just keep believing what you do now.
But Because if we don't have access to all possibility, we can't know what is possible.
And that's what they're trying to kill with the censorship, of course.
Sound advice, David.
And I think the reason it's so sound, and look, I'm sure I speak for so many people when I say it takes unbelievable amounts of bravery to do precisely what you've been saying there, because social coercion, Ridicule, rejection, all these things are our greatest fears.
And to overcome that because you know what you're doing is right, that deserves a lot of credit.
And I speak for a lot of people when I say that in regards to what you've done for lots of people, including myself.
And it's just generally sound advice, David, because I think what you're talking about and what you've said Relates to everything, doesn't it?
It's like, you know, whether you're in a job, whether you're trying to run a business, whether you're in a relationship, whether you've got friendship, everything you just did there is the key, really, isn't it, in regards to why you shouldn't stop.
Yeah, exactly. And I'm a stubborn bastard as well, which kind of helps.
I was going to mention that as well, David.
I think that kind of helps a little bit, doesn't it?
When there's a bit of anger in there and you can say, do you know what?
F you, I'm going to freaking do it anyway.
Yeah, I'm like that stone in the top of the arch.
The more you press down on it, the stronger it gets.
I wouldn't want you as an enemy, David.
I'll tell you that. I wouldn't want that.
You can see...
You can see it. And like I said, I think it's an energy thing in so many people.
People couldn't face an ounce of what you've faced.
There's so many people who couldn't have done that.
They would have crumbled. And like I said, it's a credit to you.
Why? Because, you know, if I look at certain recent events...
If it wasn't for a lot of things happening, then people wouldn't be questioning certain things.
And even for myself, David, it still shocks me now how all those years ago, you were on it, my friend.
You've been on it.
You've been on it. And it's encouraging for so many people.
And I think as more and more people get on this journey, let's see where it goes.
I tell you what, the one thing I hope I've shown people is if you speak your truth, you can not only survive, you can prosper, but you have to keep speaking your truth.
You know, there's this thing about the cancel culture.
And that's a really bad thing where they're trying to silence you.
And stop you having a platform to speak your truth.
But there's another thing that is absolutely part of that too.
And that's what I call the sackcloth culture.
Falling to your knees and begging forgiveness because you've upset a moron.
I will never do that.
And you've got to keep speaking your truth.
And the more they tell you you shouldn't, the more you should, because they're telling you why you should.
So, you know, just speak your truth.
Why wouldn't you?
To not speak your truth is to...
Hand over your self-respect.
Never do that. Never do that.
Just speak your truth and keep speaking your truth.
And you will prosper.
Because I tell you what, a lot of people, a lot of these woke people, when they smell blood, they want to taste it.
And if you give them what they're looking for, which is the sackcloth reaction, then all they want to do is go on until you're destroyed.
Well, I ain't going to be destroyed.
And I don't do sackcloth.
And I don't do shutting up just because a moron tells me I should.
And if more and more people do that, because the number of people who are actively doing that compared with the population is absolutely tiny.
When you look at opinion polls, the population don't want that.
So, you know, the great majority are on your side anyway.
The coronavirus pandemic started in China.
Oxygen, medical supplies and physical care have continued to decline.
All of my vaccines are missing.
Stage one, you create a problem.
It could be a manufactured virus.
You want a reaction and you want them to either say do something or you want them to accept what the authorities suggest must be done.
So one of the agendas is to massively cull the population.
They want to reduce the numbers.
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