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Jan. 31, 2022 - David Icke
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How Perception Controls Our Reality - David Icke Talks To David Rodriguez & Laura Eisenhower
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So, so
so Hello everybody, it's Laura Eisenhower.
I am so absolutely thrilled to have the legendary David Icke here with me today.
David Rodriguez was going to co-host the show with me.
He might be able to jump on while we're conducting the interview, but we're just going to go for it and go ahead.
And discuss all sorts of very deep and profound topics.
And I first want to thank you so much for being with me.
And I'll read a few words about you.
I think most people know who you are, but I'll say a few words.
But thanks so much, David, for joining me today.
Pleasure. Pleasure. Anytime. Awesome.
Okay, so I know most everyone is familiar with David Icke and he really, really got the ball rolling with just this process of awakening, this great awakening here on the planet.
David Icke is an English writer, public speaker, and former media personality, best known for his views on what he calls who and what is really controlling the world.
Describing himself as the most controversial speaker and author in the world, he has written 16 books explaining his position, dubbed New Age Conspiracism, and has attracted a substantial following across the political spectrum.
His 533 page, The Biggest Secret, has been called The Conspiracy Theorist Rosetta Stone.
And that's so wild because it's like, it's a part of our, uh, Living room, like it's one of the books that are just like there.
So when people come over, it's like, it's right there.
It's like David Icke books, and you've been a part of my journey for such a long time.
And yeah, so I was listening to you lately, and I just think this is such an important topic to start with.
Just the whole idea of being dependent to perceptions, like steered narratives and the propaganda, and how when we become dependent on those perceptions, we're actually enabling Or unconscious participants of the very things we don't want to see.
So kind of take us into that and how we might be able to break through that and where you kind of see humanity at this current stage.
Yeah, actually, I'm over 20 books now.
Yeah, that's why an old buyer, right?
Yeah, I've been described as that New Age conspiracy theorist.
Well, I'm not New Age.
I just look at the nature of reality, and I think quite a bit in what used to be called New Age, I've not heard that term for a while now, is actually about denial.
And about escapism rather than looking what we need to look at in the eye and waiting for it to blink.
But that whole area of metaphysics, you might call it, is something that, first of all, brought me into this arena.
I went through an extraordinary awakening in 1990-91.
And I wanted to know about the nature of reality.
That's what started me off.
And then I started to think, well, when I started to understand things more, why is this stuff not taught in schools?
Why are there not television programs about it, exploring reality?
Why do so few people, certainly at that time, I asked the question, who are we?
What is this place?
What are we doing here?
I mean, do you think we'd like to know, really?
And then I started getting into the whole conspiracy side of it, and partly it was because realizing there is a conspiracy to suppress the nature of reality from people.
So why? And as the years have unfolded, I've always...
There's the odd book here and there about 9-11.
I've done a couple about 9-11, where this is not the case.
But in every other book...
I don't talk about the names, dates, places, conspiracy without talking about the nature of reality.
Because I don't think you can understand what's happening without understanding the nature of reality.
Which is why, if you look at this network of secret societies behind world events that I call the global cult, it's a network of secret societies because it keeps secrets.
Well, who from? Well, from us, from the population.
And what are those secrets?
Well, there's two main areas.
One is obviously where the world's being taken, so that when steps are taken day by day, week by week, towards that end, they are perceived by the population as being random events.
Whereas if you know where we're being taken, know the outcome, you'll see the journey, then you can see these apparently random events as absolute stepping stones to the outcome.
But without the outcome, you can't see that.
So they keep that as quiet as they can.
They can't keep it as hidden now because they're reaching a point where they're playing their own game and therefore they have to break the surface and put themselves on public display.
So they've gone from hiding it to a large extent to actually selling it like the Great Reset and all that.
But the other area of...
The suppression of information from the population is absolutely the key one.
And that's the nature of reality.
What is this place?
Who are we? Where are we?
How does it work?
How do we interact with it?
How does it affect us? How do we affect that?
And it comes down to a very simple dynamic, which this inner core...
Kind of stress that these secret societies are fiercely compartmentalized, and the core of the core of the core are those that have the real information.
The rest have bits of it.
But the simple foundation of everything is that perception creates reality.
I could explain how I say that happens, but that is the key bottom line secret That this cult wants to keep from us because it's using that knowledge to create the society that it wants.
And it needs to keep it from the population.
Because once you know that perception equals your experience reality, the penny drops that actually you are in control of your life.
You are creating your reality with your perceptions.
And so I can take control of my life back.
Whereas this cult doesn't want us to know that.
While it's using that dynamic to manipulate our perceptions and thus dictate our reality, our experience reality, without us even knowing that that's going on.
So when something happens in our life, you know, we might think, oh, that's random, that's a bit of good luck, that's a bit of bad luck, but it actually doesn't work like that.
So once you're thinking in terms of random good luck, bad luck, what you're saying is, I'm not in control of my life.
I have no control over my life.
I am the puppet, the pawn of circumstance.
The big, big penny drop that will set us free...
Is to realize that we are creating the circumstance.
So how does that work?
Well, the key perceptual state that this cult wants to put us in is to perceive everything only through the five senses.
The senses that directly connect us and interact with this reality, this world.
And to isolate that, to separate that five sense level of perception from our expanded states of awareness.
Those expanded states of awareness that are operating in frequencies beyond this manipulated world.
Where if you tap into it, you can get insight, intuitive knowing, and awareness, knowledge.
And you can see this world from a completely different point of observation.
From this point, you're seeing how the dots connect.
At the level of the five senses, you're just seeing dots.
So you're bewildered because nothing seems to make sense and everything seems to be random.
At that point, you can see the picture.
At this point, you only see the pixels.
So you can see why there's so much effort goes on to get us to...
Perceive everything only through five sense reality.
And one of the ways that that's done is to get us to believe that the I, our self-identity, is simply the labels of a human life, a brief human experience.
So therefore, who am I? I am a man.
I was born here.
I work here.
I work. I have this sexuality, that sexuality.
I have this religion, that religion.
I have this race, that race.
And all those labels of a human life, which are merely experiences, are all five sense perceptual experiences.
So everything is done to hold us in the five senses.
Why? Because the five senses, by their very nature, only decode the narrowest, tiniest band Of frequencies.
For instance, our visual ability of what we can see.
It's hysterical.
I mean, it's laughable. The band of frequency that we can see.
People look through their eyes and they think, I can see everything in the space I'm looking at.
You can hardly see anything in the space you're looking at.
You know, according to Mainstream science, whichever number you come up with, anything between 0.005% to 0.5% of the universe is claimed to be the electromagnetic spectrum.
And the visible light is a smear of that electromagnetic spectrum, that 0.05%, 0.5%, whichever number you go with.
In other words, our visual band of awareness is absolutely tiny.
And it's delivered via the five senses, the sight senses.
So how do they see the world?
If you look around the room, look around anywhere you are, you'll see what the five senses are able to decode, the frequency band they're able to decode, and it's basically the band we call form.
So I can see lights, I can see a computer, I can see a window, I can see a cabinet, a table.
And between all of those things, to my five sense awareness, is empty space.
There's nothing between them.
So by definition, the five senses perceive the world...
As everything is separated and apart from everything else, which is an immediate godsend to anyone that wants to divide and rule the population because the five senses are already perceiving a divided world where nothing is part of anything else.
That's another massive benefit for getting people to focus only on the five senses and perceive only through that level.
But if you can go deeper, if When you go deeper into this energetic field, which the five senses can only see a minute part of, you realize that actually there is no empty space, despite what the five senses may tell us.
It's consciousness, it's energy, it's potentiality, it's possibility.
All... Around us and interacting with us, just like all the fish and all the sea life are connected by the ocean.
So we, everything that we perceive as form, is connected by this field of consciousness, this field of possibility, probability, potentiality.
And so we're interacting with it.
But to what extent?
This is the point about perception, in my view anyway.
Every time we think, every time we feel emotion, we are generating frequency.
And so our totality of thought, perception, attitude, emotion, together forms a perceptual field, a frequency field, a perceptual field around us.
Which we're generating all the time.
And so that field and its nature is interacting with this field of possibility and probability, the sea of consciousness.
And therefore, our perceptual state becomes our frequency state, becomes the frequency level that we interact with the field of Possibility, probability. So if you have a self-identity and a perception that you have no power, that you are little me, that...
You've got to follow because you're just a pawn in a game you don't understand.
Well, that is a sense of severe limitation.
Your perceptions are all about limitation.
They're about, I can't.
It's not possible.
And therefore, that perceptual field thus created by that perceptual state is going to interact with With the field of possibility and probability in that band of frequency represented by your sense of limitation and I can't and I have no power.
And this feedback loop, if you like, this interaction will deliver as a experience what you perceive things to be, they will appear to be.
What you believe you perceive, what you perceive you experience.
And so you look at people who have this sense of limitation of I can't, of I have no power, and you look at their lives and they're living limited, no power lives.
And then people go through this awakening, as it's called.
Awakening from what? Awakening from the prison cell of the five senses.
And through this expanded self-identity, leaving behind the labels of a human life as the The constitution of the I and saying that, you know, those labels are what I'm experiencing in a brief human life.
What I am, the true I, is that consciousness that's having those experiences.
So I am much greater than just human.
I'm just much greater than...
The experiences that I'm having.
Then that self-identity expands your sense of possibility, your sense of self, and you start to expand both in terms of frequency and range the interaction that you're having with the field of possibility and probability.
And so when people go through this awakening process, awakening to the greater self, They find that they start to get synchronicity in their lives.
Things start to happen.
They have bits of luck just when they need it.
Their life becomes peppered with fancy seeing you here.
What's the chances of that?
Why? Because now they're interacting with possibility and probability, the field, in a much more expanded way.
And so they're able to manifest Far greater possibility and potential into an experience.
So people of that nature, their life starts to become an adventure, a spontaneous adventure instead of a highly predictable kind of daily existence.
And the only difference between little me and infinite me is the perception of who we are, the perception of self-identity.
So if you look at the messages that we are given by the system throughout our life, from a little child, really, it's you have no power.
You have no power.
You have to look to your betters.
You have to look to authority.
Because you have no power.
And if we take that on, then we'll create that reality.
And this awakening is breaking that circuit.
And that's why people that are going through it see their life often dramatically change.
Not only that in terms of synchronicity, but...
Their range of friends and acquaintances that they interact with often change.
Often change dramatically.
Mine did. Because now you're resonating on a different frequency because your perceptions of self and the world have changed.
And so you start attracting, I call it, you know, a form of magnetism.
You start attracting like frequencies.
And so suddenly people are coming in your life, the people you're no longer sinking with because they're still there.
They kind of move out or take a more distant role.
And suddenly your life changes, including the personnel around you.
And it's all happening not by random, not by accident.
Not by chance, but by the perceptions that have transformed you, then transform your life.
Now you can see, I'll finish the point here, but you can see why this cult has as its bottom line Keeping this dynamic from us.
Because what it's doing, because it knows how this works, is constantly through the education system, through the media, through peer pressure, through authorities in all its forms, they are trying to download our perception of Because they know that once they've got the perception, they've got the behavior, they've got the experience that people will have.
You have a vast number of people who think they're little me.
They're a doddle to control and direct.
If you look at the sequence...
Perception comes from information we receive.
It can be a television news bulletin, it can be a Facebook post, it can be a personal experience, or it can come out of the expanded field as we expand into greater ranges of consciousness.
All those are sources of information.
Which form our perception.
And from perception comes our behavior.
And collective behavior is what we call human society.
So all this hysterical censorship that's going on is obviously part of the process of controlling the information to dictate our perception.
Which then creates our experience and our behavior and collectively human society.
And so this cult is working on that level.
We see how it plays out in what we call...
The human society, the world of the scene in daily events.
But this is the dynamic they have to control.
Because once we take our perceptions back, we take our experience back, we take our behavior back, we take the world back collectively.
Yes, and that's the ultimate shift right there.
Wow, awesome. Thank you for sharing that.
And welcome, David Rodriguez.
We had a little bit of tech issue in the beginning, but it's really great that you were able to jump on board.
And we were just really talking about perception and how dependency on perception You know, feeds into this very system that we can remove ourselves from when we create that shift and open up to the rest of it like you've so beautifully put.
So I want to hand it over to you though, David, what thoughts and questions you have for other David.
Well, first of all, Dave, can you hear me?
Because I'm working on a different computer right now.
Can you guys hear me? Okay.
First of all, I totally, you know, I got to be honest with you.
I came in late.
My Zoom was not working, so I'm just picking up.
But you're talking about perception.
And especially in America, a society where we're bombarded with mainstream media, indoctrination camps, which I call schools, and this goes on, so on and so forth, propaganda being pumped onto us every day.
I just walked into Walgreens and Yesterday, just to go get a thing of toothpaste.
And over the intercom, it's stand six feet apart.
Wear your mask. Be sure to wear your mask.
Stand six feet apart.
Get your mRNA shot.
And they're saying right there on the intercom, get your mRNA shot.
You know, and people do not even...
You know, want to go research this and figure out what is an mRNA vaccine.
It's not even a vaccine. And they're pumping this out.
It's on overload now. Like my parents, just to give you an example, my parents are in their 80s.
And they watch Fox all day long.
And no matter what I tell them about this so-called vaccine, they went and got it anyway because they watch Fox News all day long.
They're being overloaded with the propaganda of the commercials.
And their perception is completely controlled.
And so me coming in late to this interview, I'm hearing you talk about perception.
And just from my experience, I feel like I've broken away from that matrix.
I've stepped away from it, especially when I stopped drinking, Dave.
When I stopped drinking and became sober, synchronicity started to pick up in my life.
I'm two years and one month sober now.
And the synchronicities have just escalated.
And I've had a guest on, his name is Cliff High.
I don't know if you're familiar with him.
I know Cliff, yeah. Yeah, and Cliff Eye talks about living within the woo.
I totally understand that now.
I totally understand that now from quitting drinking and taking control of my life and watching how everything just starts manifesting a hundred times faster for me than ever before.
But I had to change my life.
I had to make a stance and shift over into a new paradigm.
And that's what I chose to do.
So me just coming into this conversation and listening to what you have to say, how can you suggest people, for me taking my power back was to stop drinking, but what's your suggestion on people stepping out of this matrix?
What would be the first start of them stepping away from this?
What, turn off mainstream media, don't send their kids to the indoctrination camps, the schools, homeschool them.
How would you step away from this matrix?
What would be the first initial steps?
Well, what you just said about your parents there is a classic expression of what I was talking about when you heard that bit.
This bombardment of messaging everywhere is manipulating perception.
And perception leads to behavior.
So, get your shot becomes, I got me shot.
This is the dynamic all the time.
So, what we need to do is to intervene in that process because so many people are in a state of unconsciousness.
Whereby, I mean, most of the programming, most of the perceptual programming, it doesn't even come to the conscious mind.
It's going into the subconscious mind.
95% of behavior comes from the subconscious mind, I reckon.
And so it goes in the subconscious mind.
I mean, you can be walking around Walgreens and you can actually tune out the messaging because you're looking at what you want to buy or you're having a chat with your mate.
But all of that is going in the subconscious, subliminally, below threshold, below threshold of the conscious mind.
And it comes through to the conscious mind.
This is how they work with these subliminals.
It comes through to the conscious mind as what the person thinks at best is their own thought and their own decision.
And at worst, it's just literally unconscious behavior, unconscious playing out of the subconscious programming.
People do things without even realizing why they're doing them.
And to break that cycle, the conscious mind has to intervene.
So before you just behave on the basis of the program, the conscious mind intervenes and questions the program.
And you can see this so clearly, the difference in the COVID era.
Where it's get your shot, get your booster.
I got my shot, I got my booster.
And so it goes on. So many people have just been through that process of unconscious obedience behavior.
But then you've got another group getting bigger all the time now that actually makes the process conscious because it does a simple thing.
It says, okay, you want me to do this?
Right. Let's have a look at the evidence.
Why do you want me to do this?
Why should I do it?
And by the way, before I do, I'm going to go away and see if what you're telling me is true.
And invariably, of course, you find it's not.
And this is the difference between those who have not had the jab and will not bow to this tyranny by reflex action, whereby they have broken that sequence.
The programming gets broken once you start to question it.
And most people don't.
So this COVID era has shown us three very clear groups of people, which actually has been the human dynamic all the way through known human history.
But in this period of two years, it's just become so blatantly obvious because everything's been kind of made more extreme and more blatant.
The number one group Is that which literally takes the programming and unconsciously plays it out.
They get the jab because authority tells them to get the jab, because Fauci tells them to get the jab.
There's no questioning about Fauci's history, which is horrific.
Man's a mass murderer.
They just do it.
Well, he's in authority.
He must know what he's doing.
Well, if he's in authority, he probably doesn't, mate, actually.
And so they just do it.
Yeah. And then you've got the second group.
They don't want to do it.
They don't want to do it.
And maybe they've researched enough to think, I really shouldn't be doing this.
But they do it anyway because they fear not doing it.
And so you've had two types of fear in these groups.
You've had fear of the, quote, virus in group number one.
Oh, I've got to get me because of the virus.
And then you've got the fear of authority in the second group.
I don't want to do it, but what are the consequences for me of not doing it?
And those two groups of people have been responsible, those two mentalities, perceptual states, have been responsible for every tyranny in history.
Every one. Because the tyrants, the inner core of the tyrants, as with this global cult, and as with those running countries, are tiny in number compared with the population.
Like, fascism doesn't come in because of fascists.
There's not enough of them. It comes in because the population acquiesces to fascism.
Through these two groups, Doing it without question, because authority tells them, and I can see I shouldn't be doing it, but I'm going to do it because I fear not doing it.
And that leaves the third group.
And the third group is the one that has ended every tyranny in history.
And that's the mentality we're seeing now with the unchabbed, and more and more people who have been jabbed but have now sussed it, whereby they have a little thing called self-respect.
Which is non-negotiable.
Self-respect, non-negotiable, okay?
It's not going anywhere.
It's staying here. And self-respect says, no, I'm not going to do what authority tells me just because authority tells me.
So give me the evidence, authority, and if you persuade me I should do what you want me to do on the basis of the evidence and good sense and logic, then I have a very good chance I might do it.
But if you don't, I ain't doing it.
And you can intimidate me as much as you like, but because my self-respect is not for sale, at any price by the way, then my self-respect won't allow me to be intimidated into doing what I know I shouldn't be doing.
And that is the mentality that ends every tyranny in history, because it uses the power of no and non-cooperation to highlight where the power really is.
You know, people say authority has power, and it doesn't.
Authority's power is the power the population give to it.
And what happens then is the authorities recycle the power back against the population, their own power, which they've given away in the form of acquiescence.
And at that point, people think authority has power.
Well, hold on a minute.
How can two, three million people in Austria Be locked down because they are unfake vaccinated if they won't cooperate.
It's unenforceable.
It's too many people. And so it's this illusion that authority has power.
Authority has our power, which we give it.
You know, Biden comes out of the White House and says this is going to happen.
What if he could read on a good day?
And enough people say, we're not doing that.
We're not doing that?
You're joking, matey.
No way. It's unenforceable.
So the dynamic of power, which allows the few to control the many, is the many acquiescing.
To the perceived illusory power of the few.
And so that has to stop.
You know, people can look for solutions.
People say, what's the solution?
And often when they ask that question, what's the solution, they're actually asking, How do we get out of this with someone else doing something?
And actually, look in the mirror if you want a solution.
But what is a solution?
I mean, so often you think, what is a solution?
And what it does is create more problems in search of more solutions.
But the sensible, wise thing, surely, is to look at a situation and think, how is this happening?
Why is this happening?
What's the cause of it?
And then remove the cause.
And if you remove the cause of why something's happening, it can't happen anymore.
And the reason for the whole entire known human history, in all these cultures and eras and all of it, has been the few controlling the many.
Always, almost everywhere you look, right to present day.
Why? Because the many have always given their power away to the few in acquiescence.
So that's the cause of the problem.
That's how freedom is deleted.
That's how tyranny reigns.
So you remove the cause of the problem.
You stop acquiescing to what you're told to do unless you're given a very good evidential reason that's truthful and Of why you should be doing it.
And that would just bring the whole house of cards down.
Because it's acquiescence that's caused this.
You know, in the spring of 2020, when the lockdown started, if people have said they weren't doing it, We're not doing it in enough numbers, then the thing would have ended early on because they wouldn't have been able to do it.
But I kind of understand it to a certain extent.
People believe that there was a deadly virus flying around and that they have to be protected from it.
So they did what authorities said, and that was the start of it.
You can't get, I think, at its peak, something like 3 billion people under lockdown.
When you look at the...
The number ratio between 3 billion and those imposing that on 3 billion, you can't do it unless the 3 billion acquiesce.
It's not possible. And so the answer is to take away the cause of the problem.
And in terms of the greater awakening, for me, you know, I've...
I've been on this road a long time.
And, you know, back in the early days, early 1990s, the whole, what was then called the New Age Arena, I guess that's where the label comes from, in terms of me, was the only kind of arena where you could talk about this stuff, you know, and the conspiracy that was going on.
Not many of them wanted to know.
And it's the, it's that whole Understanding about how perception becomes reality that holds the whole key to all this.
And I, like I say, looked around the kind of new age arena and what I saw was complication.
Complexity.
You have to do this, you have to do that, you have to do this, and then you do that, and then you do the other.
And then you can awaken, you can go on a quest, you can do this, do that, the other, and you awaken.
But, you know, I think it's simpler than that.
I think it's just changing your self-identity.
I really do.
This cult does not work so bloody hard To get us to self-identify with the labels of a human life for no reason.
It does it because it's fundamental to what it's doing.
Because it has to stop us realizing the true self-identity that we are consciousness, ultimately all consciousness, having a brief human experience.
It has to get us to absolutely self-identify the I with the experience and the labels of a human life.
And if you do...
Then you become an expression of limitation.
Like I said earlier, of I can't.
Because when you perceive the world through the experience of being human, everything does look limited.
Everything does look difficult, slow, I can't.
And therefore, you're in a perceptual prison.
Through your self-identity on being human and the labels of a human life, when you say, okay, they're my experiences, I'm having a brief human experience, and these labels they give me and we give ourselves, that's fair enough, but they are experiences, they're not the I. The I is the consciousness having the experience.
I am that consciousness.
That's the I. I'm not David Icke.
David Icke is a name given to a series of human labels.
I am the consciousness having the experience called David Icke.
And that expansion of your sense of identity automatically expands you into greater and greater swathes and higher and higher frequencies of this field of possibility and probability we're constantly interacting with.
And suddenly everything changes.
You start to be able to manifest things, as you mentioned there, in your life that you weren't doing before.
So, this whole COVID situation has been a catalyst, yes, to try to push the world into more and more of the global fascist state, which has been the agenda all along, but it's also created an opportunity not just to see how the COVID era has been manipulated and how fear has been used to manipulate, but to take it a step further.
And go into the understanding of how our very self-identity has been systematically kept from us So that we become, what I call in the books, a phantom self.
Not the true I, infinite self.
A phantom self.
A illusion of self.
Which is this group of human life labels that people identify with.
That's what holds us in the perceptual prison.
Our self-identity and association with that as the I. When we change that, everything changes.
And this whole house of cards will come down because that focus of attention on a limited sense of self-identity and a limited sense of potential and possibility, that attention is what's holding it together.
And this crowd know that.
That's why they're terrified of this happening.
And it is so bad news.
Right. Totally.
And it's just the psyops of problem, reaction, solution that we're constantly in the loop.
Like you said, if we're looking for a solution, is it really a real solution to solve something that was inserted upon us instead of just being in our consciousness and being creative and resourceful to tap into the creative imagination and bring it in in those moments where we can react from, you know, consciousness and the authority of our higher self instead of something else.
So, right?
So... Yeah.
We have the opportunity here of bringing an end to this whole known human history dynamic of the few controlling the many by suppressing the self-identity of the many.
That's what it is. You're just a foot soldier.
You're just a this.
You're just a that. You're just Ethel that works on the checkout before you get replaced by a machine.
That's who you are. You're just Bill driving a bus.
Who are you? You're just Bill driving a bus.
All of this is being, we've been bombarded with this all the way through our lives, and it's suppressing our sense of self and our sense of potential.
And when you go, oh, actually, mate, I am all that is, has been, and ever can be, having a brief experience as Bill driving the bus, And Bill driving the bus is a label.
It's an experience. It's not the true I. Then everything changes because you change.
Your perceptions change.
Your perception of self is transformed.
And that's what you can manifest and all that goes with it is transformed.
This is the key.
It really is the key of breaking out of the prison of human control.
Is breaking out of the prison of self-identity control.
To stop seeing ourselves in terms of limitation.
Seeing ourselves through the labels that are given us.
From the moment we enter this world, the labels start.
And people start taking them on and they become what I call I am ours.
I am our this. I am our that.
And this is an interesting point.
Because like I say, the inner core of this cult is playing this out.
It knows what I'm saying is true here.
It knows how it works.
And this is why, in this woke mentality, which has been funded into existence by this coal, of course, you are seeing, and it's systematic, the subdivision and subdivision of the old labels.
No longer is it just man or woman or this race or that religion.
Now it's subdivided and subdivided so you have this big long list of letters getting longer all the time that people use to self-identify the fine detail of who they are and many of them relate to their sexuality.
So I am all that is, has been, and ever can be.
And I'm self-identifying as my sexual preference.
What? What's happening is this subdivision is making more and more myopic people's self-identity.
And the more myopic it becomes, I am my sexual preference now, that's who I am.
The further you are disconnecting from the true self, the true I, and all its knowledge, all its awareness, all its wisdom, all its intuitive knowing, it's all being denied to you because you are moving in frequency terms from a point of infinity in your sense of reality to absolute ridiculous myopia.
With the labels that people now give themselves and call that the I. And this is being done systematically.
This is the level it's all working on.
We say, oh, these people, they call themselves this and that and the other, and the labels get longer, the letters get longer.
Yeah, that's the way it plays out.
But what they're actually doing is systematically making more myopic people's sense of identity, because that will make more myopic people So what's happening right now, would you say this is the necessary growing pains for human beings as a collective consciousness to make that shift?
Like, you know, I go to the gym and I work out.
I have to go through a lot of pain in order to graduate to the next level and grow.
Would you say this is like a snake shedding its skin?
would you say like this time in human history, in human consciousness, this type of a hindrance on us
where they're applying all these, you know, I call it evil disguises virtue.
They're trying to make it trendy on Instagram.
Oh, I got my shot, you get yours.
And they're using athletes or using celebrities, making it seem like it's a polite thing to do.
You think this grasp on us and what's happening right now, do you think these are the necessary gropings
for the necessary shift in human consciousness?
In order for us to take that next step, we have to have this applied pressure on us.
Does that make sense? In order for us to graduate.
Yeah, I see where you're coming from.
For me, two things are happening.
One, there is a state of awareness, if you can call it awareness, a very distorted state.
State of awareness that is seeking to impose its will upon the human population in a more severe way than certainly in known human history we've ever seen, and to do it on a global level for the first time, the first time that we know.
So that's the dynamic.
That's what this consciousness is trying to do.
However, in the experiencing of that, opportunities to awaken to something greater are also presented.
I think the Chinese have a word that means danger and opportunity.
And we're at that point of danger and opportunity.
Because this consciousness...
Native Americans call it Wetiko, and it's got other names around the world, is seeking to impose total beyond Orwellian control, not least through AI control or connection to the human brain so AI becomes the human mind.
That's what it wants.
But it's also an opportunity because, you know, I've been doing this now for 32 years and so I've seen how things were and I've seen how things are.
And when you don't have something in your face and it's something that you don't want to face anyway, When you don't think it's directly affecting you or impacting upon you, then you'll ignore it.
I know that. I've been ignored for so long over the 90s and what have you.
Oh, no, mate. It's never going to happen.
You don't want to face it.
You don't want it to be true. And because it's not affecting you, you think, well, there's no need for it to be true.
I mean, who the hell wants to address all this, really?
You want to have a good time and bring their kids up and have a laugh and all that stuff.
That's what people want. I understand it.
I'd like that, too. But when you've got a getaway car, you'll take the getaway car from actually looking at it.
But what's happened in the COVID era, coming around to the absolutely, I think, correct point you made, what people have just thought was not important in their lives, and they've just gone on with it, while the cult went on getting more and more severe in its manipulation, has been put here.
And a lot of people have therefore said, I can't ignore this anymore.
This is actually happening.
People have come up to me in the street and have said, it's actually happening, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's actually happening.
So we have to address it.
And in doing so, lots of things change.
What changes? What changes immediately when you start to realize the world's not like you thought it was?
The COVID era has presented us with that, if you didn't want with any kind of Mind of their own.
Your perceptions change.
And when your perceptions change, you start an energetic movement, an energetic momentum.
You know, you've been stuck almost in vibrational solidity, where, you know, these are my perceptions, and, you know, Tuesday becomes Wednesday, becomes Thursday, and now it's this year, and then go to next year, and perceptions are basically the same.
And there's no momentum, there's no movement for change, because you don't perceive there's any need.
But what's happened in this COVID two years is that perceptual change, which starts with, what the hell is behind all this?
Why are they doing this?
And the world is not controlled by who I thought it was.
That momentum...
Starts a movement which doesn't necessarily end.
It goes on and it moves into other areas like, okay, well, if this is not right, what I thought, what else have I been thinking that's not right?
And you start to move into these other areas of Well, who am I? What is this place?
What the bloody hell is going on?
And everything starts to move and expand.
And suddenly people who were in a, you know, every day is the same kind of mode are suddenly kind of exploring and questioning reality and the nature of the eye and all that stuff.
I've seen people go through this in the last two years.
So it's been a very, very positive thing in that sense.
That it's brought people from that point of could never happen to realize it is happening.
And it's awakened them to so much more than just that.
So everything's an opportunity.
So a negative thing, I have this phrase, life often gives you your greatest gifts brilliantly disguised as your worst nightmare.
Somebody in my life, somebody of the worst nightmare moments, I'm sure you'll have your own, your worst nightmare moments have given you the most with hindsight.
Absolutely. They've made you greater, stronger, more aware, wiser.
And collectively, the last two years have been humanity's worst nightmare in so many ways.
And it has, in that sense, been a gift.
But we come back to these two groups of people.
The same experience of the last two years can be a gift of awakening if you meet it like that.
Or it can send you even deeper into the coma, which is what it's done for a lot of other people.
So what is life?
It's a very simple thing.
I mean, complexity hides the simplicity of life.
Life is choice and consequence, choice and consequence, choice and consequence.
You make choices, you have consequences.
You like the consequence, you make the same choice.
You don't like the consequence, you make different choices and get different consequences.
And you learn from experience and cause and effect and all that stuff.
And here we're faced now with a choice.
We obey authority and the Orwellian global state is absolutely assured.
We don't and we can head it off.
And that choice, those choices are going to have incredibly different consequences because of the extreme nature of what we're looking at.
And so it's an opportunity to To awaken.
And it's also an opportunity to go faster asleep.
And that's the choice that people are now facing.
You know, to be honest with you, I compare it to like boxing or professional sports.
There's a lot of fighters that when faced with a fight, going into a fight, they would fold under pressure.
And some fighters are clutch fighters.
Like I was a pressure fighter.
Like when I was put in a situation where I had to, where it was do or die, I performed my best.
And there's a lot of fighters that cannot do that, and they fold at just the mere presence of that.
I've seen fighters pull out of fights three days before fights because they can't take the adversity, they can't take the attention, the bright lights, this and that.
They fold. And it makes you either graduate or you don't.
So I feel like at this time in humanity's consciousness, this has kind of triggered the Great Awakening, which is actually amazing for human consciousness.
This is actually a good thing for some.
And like you said, and for others, because I still drive around El Paso, and I see people still wearing a mask, driving in a car alone.
Alone. So I know where their consciousness is, where their conscious state is at.
And it's like, you can just see it now.
You know, we're two years into this, and there's still people driving around with masks on.
There's people bragging about they got their third, fourth booster.
And those are the minds that, in my opinion, are just not going to graduate.
Do you agree with that? Oh, yeah.
And I think there's a lot more to know about the nature of humanity and this reality that we're experiencing anyway.
That's another story. But yeah, I do.
I do. Because you can reach a point where you're so locked away in an illusion that the illusion is completely controlling your life.
And I have this phrase, you know, Start living life and stop life living you.
And people in this perceptual state of following authority, believing authority, falling into the manipulation card of fear, those people, the people who just unconsciously had to jab, put the mask on in the car on their own, life is living them.
Life is living them because they have conceded their right to form their own perceptions.
And when you do that, that which is forming your perceptions, downloading your perceptions, is now living your life.
It's now dictating your life.
So life is living you.
When you take control of your perceptions back, And you do your own research, you do your own questioning, and then come to your own conclusions, and not someone else's, then you start living life.
How? Because your perception and the interaction with the field of possibility and probability, you are now changing and dictating because you are changing the nature of that dynamic, and thus what you can manifest as an experience of what we call life.
Whereas when life's living you, someone else is dictating your perception, which is dictating your perceptual field, frequency, which is dictating the dynamic of interaction, which is dictating and creating your experience.
It's real simple.
We either let external forces dictate our perception and thus control our life, or we form our own.
And control our own life.
And this period we're looking at, the difference between the two is so blatantly obvious.
It's amazing to watch, really, the difference.
Oh, totally. And it's so much the same, like, in just relationships, you know?
Are you allowing a control freak or a narcissist to define who you are and own your self-worth?
Or are you standing in your sovereignty able to, you know, greet a connection on a soul level?
And we're, like, really moving into that soul...
Level getting out of the personality matrix and you talk a lot about the Saturn moon matrix and the artificial component of those energies and how it impacts our junk DNA that is our unconsciousness really when we begin to switch that on we really get an opportunity to upgrade and enjoy who we truly are and what we're made of and That's a very interesting point, that, because I came across Russian research a very long time ago.
It's much more widely understood now that DNA is a receiver transmitter of information.
We're receiving and transmitting.
Part of the way that we're interacting with this field is the receiver transmitter system, what we call DNA. And what they're doing with this jab is targeting DNA. And if you change the DNA, you change the frequency on which you're receiving and transmitting.
You change what you're interacting with.
And these people know that.
Absolutely know that.
And that's why they're doing it.
Once you get to this level...
Of watching what's going on at this deep esoteric level, if you like, the play-out level of the world becomes more and more obvious in why things are happening in the world of the scene, because they're actually serving this much deeper esoteric agenda.
And I would say that from something you just mentioned.
One of the things I think I would suggest that is necessary for people is to...
Start from this fact.
Okay. I am an expression of infinite awareness.
Yeah. Having a human experience.
Okay. So who the hell are you?
Any of you. I don't care if you've got a uniform on.
I don't care if they call you a bloody president.
I'm not bothered what your bloody label is.
Who are you as a fellow expression of Of consciousness to tell me how to live my life and what I must do.
What are you to tell me?
You've got no right to tell me.
I don't care if you've got a uniform on.
It says you're this, that, and the other.
You are an expression of consciousness.
I'm an expression of consciousness.
Who the hell are you expression of consciousness to tell me how I should live my life and what I should think and what I should do?
Now, if you want to persuade me with the power of evidence and logic, etc., why I should do what you're asking, asking, by the way, not telling, then I will probably do it by the strength of your argument and your logic.
But I am a sovereign expression of all that is.
We may all be connected and all the same consciousness ultimately, but we're all unique expressions of that consciousness.
The unique amalgamation of our experiences, of our attitudes, all the things that we form, what we call personality, what we call perceptions.
We're unique. So celebrating uniqueness and understanding we're all ultimately part of the same awareness is not a contradiction.
It's a celebration.
Because what is this field I've been talking about?
It's all possibility.
It's all potential. Therefore, we should celebrate being a unique expression of all potential and all possibility.
And what happens is the more you disconnect from that understanding of you being a unique expression of consciousness, the less variety, diversity there actually is.
Because people just coagulate into the same little blob.
Of myopic possibility and myopic ways of seeing the world.
And what's happening, if you look at it again with this woke mentality, the pressure is not to celebrate and express your uniqueness of view, opinion, perception, but to become part of the group Where everyone thinks and sees the world the same.
Everything we should be doing to set ourselves free, the opposite is the pressure in society to do.
Why? Because they don't want unique people expressing their uniqueness and saying, by the way, I don't care if you've got a uniform on or what you call yourself.
You don't tell me what to do, right?
You can persuade me what to do, but you don't tell me.
And I'm not doing what you tell me to do just because you tell me.
And you've got a fancy bloody title.
And that's the same with a narcissist partner, as you mentioned there.
Who the hell are you?
I don't care who you are to tell me how to live my life and what I should do and what I shouldn't do.
And it goes down to every level.
Parents. Okay, you can persuade me, mum and dad, what I should do.
You can persuade me with the evidence and your logic.
But why should I do what you tell me to do just because you've got a label called mum and dad?
And, you know, it starts at the earliest age.
You will do this. You will do that.
Persuade me. Give me the evidence that I should do that and what the consequences are of not doing it if I do this.
You know, if I put my finger in a boiling saucepan, I've got consequences.
So the best thing to do is not to do that.
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I won't do that.
But don't just go around dictating.
It's like this parental desire among so many parents to dictate on the lives of the kids.
Your mom wants you to be a lawyer.
Well, if your mom wants to be a lawyer, she's going to be a bloody lawyer.
I'm going walking in India, thank you.
Again, right the way through your life, there's this subordination dynamic.
Between that with perceived power and authority and that which perceives itself not to.
And it needs to be broken.
Because then we become our own sovereign being.
Where we are deciding what our perceptions are and what our behavior should be.
So I have a certain perception.
You persuade me that this perception I have is actually not quite the best and has these consequences and what have you.
Okay, I'll take that on board and my perceptions will change.
But I'm deciding to change them On the basis of what you said to me.
I'm not changing them just because you told me to change them.
This dynamic of top-down imposition, whatever the dynamic is in the circumstances, of top-down imposition of...
Of behavior and view and everything is exactly what needs to be broken.
And again, you see the same process whereby you're now being pressured through losing your job or being thrown out of university if you have an opinion that's not in line with the group.
Not in line with the imposed way that you should perceive the world.
And all the time you're seeing the diversity Of perception and possible perception being squeezed and squeezed and squeezed and squeezed.
And until the end, there'll be one bloody perception and everyone will have it.
And woe betide anyone who doesn't have it.
And if we don't want to get to that point and we're closing in on it, then we have to, again, remove the cause of the problem.
What is the cause of that problem?
People acquiescing to the group.
Well, how do you remove the cause of the problem?
You stop acquiescing to the group.
You let go of the fear of what other people think and you lock in to your self-respect.
Self-respect. This is the key.
Self-respect will not concede to the group.
It will not do that.
If the group makes sense, it might agree to do what the group does here and there because it makes sense and it makes logical sense.
But it ain't going to just do what the group says because that's what the group says.
Because its self-respect won't let it.
You know, its self-respect will not keep its mouth shut when nonsense is being taught by this woke mentality.
It will say, excuse me, that's bloody nonsense.
What do you mean there's no such thing as a biological sex?
It's ridiculous. Don't be stupid.
You're asking me to agree with you that two and two equals five?
Well, what happens to my self-respect if I do that?
It doesn't equals four, mate.
Okay? You can think it equals five if you like, but you're not telling me that I'm going to agree with you.
And, you know, so it's having this sense of self, this sense of uniqueness, this sense of self-respect That won't be battered into submission to the group, the groupthink. And it won't be battered into submission just because someone in authority tells it to do this, that, and the other.
It won't do it. And it's this reversal of the cause of the problem.
And, you know, the more people are intimidated by having a different view The more that different view will be eliminated.
So those that complain about censorship, they have to live their truth.
Because the worst, most insidious form of censorship is self-censorship, where you simply do not Say something because you fear the consequences of saying it and eventually that something gets eliminated it's not even talked about anymore that view that that way of seeing the world gone into the blob so it's no good people complaining about censorship and then self-censoring it isn't we have to speak our truth and respect our right to have that truth and And not have someone else tell us we can't have it.
Because my view is this.
You tell me to shut up, I'm shouting louder.
Every time. You tell me to go away, I'm running at you harder.
Faster. Because once we start conceding our uniqueness, our uniqueness disappears.
And that's the woke mentality.
You won't find uniqueness in the woke mentality, will you?
It's all gone. To the group.
Right, and you know, it's also like appeasing to their delusions, you know, with what I don't agree with.
It is like now it's like they've made it through programming to where you have to appease to their delusions.
You know, I'm this sex, I'm that sex.
You know, right now I was watching on the news this very masculine looking man who identifies as a woman and he's beating everyone in swimming.
You know what I mean? It's just, it's ridiculous.
But you have to, they want you to appease to these delusions.
I was going to ask you, you know, what do you think?
It's like, no, no, no.
It's like, excuse me.
Excuse me, right? Okay.
You're breaking all these women's women records, right?
Yeah? Yeah. Why is that then?
How can you compete? Because I identify as a woman.
No, but you're not, are you?
You might identify as a woman, but you've got the body of a man, right?
And that's why you're breaking all the bloody records because you've got greater muscle mass, greater bone density and all this stuff.
So that's why you're doing it.
You can identify as a woman all you like, but you've got the body of a man, right?
Two and two equals four, mate.
Not five. But you're absolutely right.
The way that people are intimidated is, if I say two and two equals four...
What's going to happen to me?
Well, we have to put those things aside because if we don't, we'll go on conceding to this until all freedom is gone.
It's like saying, oh, you're racist.
All these words that are thrown to just create that sort of trigger.
And it's like, okay, well, if you guys are going to play that game, then I'll identify as jabbed even though I'm not.
It's like, where does one draw the line?
And it's kind of like giving them back the same sort of nonsense, even though I wouldn't even go that far.
Yeah. It's just these words.
You can't have an honest dialogue without sort of the shaming or the white privilege or that you're racist.
Yeah, but this is where it comes back to something I mentioned earlier.
I've been talking about this a long time because this is absolutely one of the foundations of human control.
The fear of what other people think.
When you're in your uniqueness, when you're in your power, What other people say and do about you doesn't matter.
I mean, if they say something that's got validity, you'll listen.
But just because they're hurling abuse at you or hurling ridicule at you, well, so what?
I mean, you know, because this is the thing.
People say, well, I'm offended.
I don't even know what it's like to be offended.
I can't manifest it.
Because, you know, when people say I'm offended, you know, I say to them, yeah, you just described it.
Absolutely right.
You're offended.
You have made the choice to be offended.
Thus, that becomes your reality.
It becomes your experience.
I'm offended. Now, if someone said the same thing to me that makes you say I'm offended, I would say, well, thank you for sharing that with me.
Have a nice day. It wouldn't matter at all.
Why? Because I've made a different choice.
I've chosen not to be offended.
Thus, I have a completely different experience to you who have chosen to be offended, and thus you go into all the emotional thing about being offended.
And I was fortunate.
Again, you know, we come back to Life often gives you your greatest gifts, brilliantly disguised as your worst nightmare.
I went through absolutely historic levels of ridicule in Britain, wider afield later as well, but in Britain, absolute historic levels of ridicule in 1991, 92, 93, and so on.
Terry Wogan? Yeah, that was the big start of it.
And then it went on for years.
Comedian only say my name and got a laugh.
He didn't need a joke. I was the bloody joke.
But again, what did it give me?
It was deeply unpleasant in the experience, obviously.
But what did it give me?
Again, it's choice.
When you go through those levels of ridicule, one or two things happen.
Either you withdraw from society and hide and end up a wreck, or you come out Home through the fire, the steel home through the fire.
And what that period gave me set me free.
It set me free of the fear of what other people think.
And as a result of that, I've been able to come out with stuff that's really far out.
And knowing I'm going to get great ridicule for it initially, a lot less now.
But I did it anyway.
Why? Because I didn't care what they thought.
I cared about what was happening, not what people thought about me.
And only when you step out of that prison cell of fearing what other people think, do you understand the scale of the prison you've been in.
Where there's this mental gymnastics going on all the time.
How do I put this?
What do I not say? How do I put this so they'll think I'm alright and I'm not crazy or I'm not this or I'm not that?
I don't have that.
I don't have that mental process.
People ask me a question, I say what I think.
And if they don't like it, well, that's absolutely right not to like it.
I'm not here to tell people what to think.
I'm just here to pass on some information.
And how people receive it is how they receive it.
But how they receive it is their choice.
If people want to be offended, well, you choose to be offended.
Say what you like to me.
I choose not to be offended, whatever you say.
Once you let that go, You open your mouth and you say what you think.
So that mentality alone, letting go of the fear of what the people think, you step out of the group immediately because you might agree with the group here and then here you don't and you say you don't.
So you are taking every situation and every opinion on its merits.
Not because the group believe it or don't believe it, or it's what the group want you to believe or they don't want you to believe.
You do it on its merits.
And therefore you have this unique view of the world, which is only your view of the world and no one else's.
And they will not...
That mentality will A, not conceited group.
It won't keep its mouth shut because it fears what people might think if it says what it's going to say.
And it certainly won't do what authority says because authority says it.
It won't do that. It's all the same perceptual package that comes from this not caring what people think in terms of their...
The way they treat you.
So, since this COVID thing started two years ago, I've never worn a mask.
I've never locked down.
I've always gone out when I felt like it.
I've never social distanced.
If people want to run away from me in the street, that's enough.
They're right. But I'm not frying to them, so I'm going to run away from them.
I've not even had that bloody stupid...
Temperature taker. None of it.
I won't do it. I won't do it under any circumstances.
My self-respect won't allow it.
And so I've lived a different two years to people that have followed every rule.
And because my choices have been different.
So my experience has been different.
We keep coming back to the same thing.
Perception equals experienced reality.
Wow. That's so awesome.
I know we got to wrap it up. And I just so appreciate you being with us today.
And I'll let David close if you have any final thoughts or questions.
And then, yeah, just anything you want to share about what's coming up for you, David.
I know you're both Davids, but I'll just kind of let you close it up.
And it's just been so wonderful.
I know this is just going to really just hit people where it counts.
So thank you again, David.
So go ahead, Rodrigo, Nino.
Yeah, I have one last question that I've often wondered about this, Dave, is, you know, you look at, like, domesticated animals.
You look at, like, a dog.
Like, my dogs are domesticated.
And then you look at something like a wild wolf that's out in nature killing to survive.
Their puppies will be the same way, but through breeding, you get domesticated animals.
Do you think human beings are the same way in the sense that This is, this could be, this control factor could be genetic, that they've been bred this way for so long that we're like domesticated and we're easily, the more the generations go on, you're more easily programmable and programmable and programmable and not many people still have those, you know, like I consider myself to have those instincts to where I think outside the box.
I like to do my own thing.
I don't like group think, but do you think some people are just genetically predisposed to that?
Oh, I think so.
And I'll tell you one area that I think this applies to.
They thought for a, well, as long as they thought it since science began and study of the brain began, that once the brain was formed, that was it.
That's how it was for life.
And like most scientific beliefs, they more recently have found that the opposite is the case.
That the brain has what they call placidity.
And the brain can change in how it processes information based on the nature of the information that it receives.
And so if you can control the information, where are we going with this?
If you can control the perception, then the brain will form in its neuron networks To fire in line with that perception.
Everything becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
It's like a firewall computer.
The brain is not the source of consciousness.
It processes information from whatever source that may come.
So it can come from the human mind and it will process that into a sense of reality.
Or you can put a headset on In a virtual reality game, and the information from the headset, the brain will process that as well.
And it will process that into a sense of reality, which is why people sitting in a room are jumping around or reeling back, because the brain is making real the information that's playing through the bloody headset, the virtual reality game.
So the brain just processes information.
And if all you get It's the same basic information.
And this is basically what happens.
I call it the postage stamp consensus.
If you look at the information spectrum Of what is taught in schools, what is taught in the universities overwhelmingly, what is played out through the media, what authority talks about, etc., what medicine talks about.
It's all within an extraordinarily narrow band of sense of the possible, which I call the posting stamp consensus.
Kind of sums it up, I think.
And so this perceptual dynamic from Cradle of Grave that we're told is normal, The brain starts processing that, and it forms into its neuron networks, etc., to fire in ways that reflect that information, that reflect that perception.
And they can be passed on through the generations like that.
But if you are willing to open your mind to greater consciousness...
You then open yourself to other forms of information.
Inspiration, knowing, knowledge, wisdom.
And the brain then starts to process that information.
Which is way more expanded than the postage stamp consensus.
Even, you know, researching in this world beyond the consensus.
So you can see actually the forces that run the world are not the ones that this postage stamp tells you runs the world.
That too is opening your brain to an expanded source of information.
And therefore, as that happens, and you allow it to happen, the placidity of the brain starts to change.
And it starts to fire in different ways, which create and respond to different perceptions.
So if you're in a human intergenerational line, Where the postage stamp consensus, whatever it is of the day, dominates and dictates your perception, then your brain itself will simply fire and respond To that perceptual state.
Literally, it will be like a firewall from other perceptions, other possibilities.
So when you're talking to someone like that, people say, it doesn't matter how much information you give them about the jab, they still go and have it, right?
It doesn't matter how you explain this, this is not true, they still believe it.
Because if you firewall a computer so it won't go into certain areas, it doesn't matter how much of the information from those areas you put into the computer.
The computer simply won't process it and put it on the screen.
It won't do it. It's firewalled off.
It's like the Chinese internet system.
So much of it is firewalled off so that much of the internet is not seen in China.
The brain is the same.
And that's why when you have an open mind and you are open to all possibility, when you work on, as Socrates said, wisdom is knowing how little we know, your brain constantly has its trainers on.
It's constantly in a state of flux and willing to move and flow into other areas of perception and information processing.
And that's a very, very different...
So, I absolutely agree with you that, yes, this programming, this brain processing state can pass on and pass on through the generations, yeah, and become more and more solidified, if you like. But once you open your mind...
Everything changes, including the way the brain processes information.
And so everything is changeable when perceptions change.
That's the foundation of everything, in my view.
Do you feel that can nullify the negative effects of the jab and it can neutralize the dark technologies and all the things being blasted at us?
The minute we have that breakthrough, do you feel that people can overcome some of these decisions that they made if they can just kind of snap out of the trance or the mind control social engineering aspect of it?
And then I know we got to close because I could Yeah, but you see, I mean, I could talk for hours on this now, but it's like, I think we've lost the memory, the understanding of what we really are, what the body really is.
We think we're a mind in a body.
We are a body.
This is a projection of mind.
It's an information field.
In its base state, it's a waveform information field.
We decode it as we decode everything Into the holographic illusion of physicality, but actually in its base form, it's an information field.
And it's a projection of the mind.
It's a decoded projection of the mind.
Thus, everything comes down to the mind.
And everything comes down to perception.
So, if I handed someone a cup of tea, And they drank the tea.
And I said, um, that tea was poison, mate.
Poison in that, it'll start affecting a minute.
You watch their reaction.
They will start to react as if there was poison in the tea.
There was no poison in the tea. It's how placebo works.
You tell someone here's a pill and it will do this and it's a sugar pill and it has the effect on the body that they thought the pill would have but it wasn't a pill.
Everything is mind.
And this cult knows that.
And so everything is reversible and changeable by mind.
Given the body is a projection of the mind, a manifestation of the mind, then the mind state must totally really control the body.
Therefore, anything can be reversed if we have the power of our, the understanding that we have the power to do that.
You know, I tell you one of the things that, the way I've kind of worked, is that if I've got something coming up that I absolutely have to do, something live or whatever, And maybe I'm not feeling so good.
Then I'll make this way of looking at it.
I am going to do the event.
The event's going ahead.
And I'm going to be fine at the event.
Which means that between now and the event, what I'm feeling is going to go.
And it goes every time.
Every time. I woke up this morning.
I wasn't feeling so good. And I'm writing a book.
And I thought, I can't miss a day writing.
So therefore, I'm going to be okay.
I'm going to be okay writing.
Because I can't not do it today.
I haven't got a chance here. Get some words down.
And I started feeling okay.
I started feeling fine.
I feel fine now. So the mind, the mind state, It's constantly impacting upon the body.
This is how stress causes illness and what have you.
And so, yes.
But the question is, are people conscious enough of their own power to impact upon the body in that way?
Or are they in a state of conceding their power to the body Because that's what people are doing when they are saying, I've got this, and it's going to do this, it's going to do that.
They're giving power to the body.
But actually, hold on a minute.
The body's an expression of the mind.
So the body doesn't have power over you.
You have power over the body.
That's the dynamic. And this is why I think I saw an article once.
In which it mentioned that about, I don't know, 70-80% of people who are given a life prognosis with a disease of some kind die within the period that the doctor said they had to live.
And others who have more power, a sense of their own power, they'll live way, way, way beyond when the doctor says, oh, you've got six months to live.
You know, years later, they're still alive.
But people that give their power to the body and give their power to doctors, they'll die within the six months.
And it's, you know, I read this article once about a guy who...
Had cancer and was dying.
And then was told that he could have the chance of taking this experimental drug to sort it out.
So he took it.
And he believed in it.
And the cancer disappeared.
And then he read in the newspaper that the trial had not gone well of this drug.
And they were not going ahead with it anymore.
They ended the trial.
It was the drug that he'd had and believed in.
And he got cancer again.
And his doctor in this article started to suss this.
It's all in his bloody head.
This is his mind working.
And he gave him cock and bull stories about, oh, there's this new drug that was sorted.
And just reading it just shows you the power that the mind has over the body.
But they don't want us to know that.
They want the body to have power over the mind.
And that's what's been happening in the last two years, more than any other time, is people are told, your body has power over you.
You get this quote, virus.
And this is what happens. Or you could get this virus and your immune system and all this stuff.
When actually, if your mind says, I'm not getting it.
Well, difficult to get something that doesn't exist, but anyway, good.
I'm not getting it.
I'm not going to get ill.
I've got time to get ill.
Therefore, you don't get ill. And, you know, this is really the understanding, again, that will set us free.
That our life is an expression of our state of mind, our perception.
And that includes how healthy the body is, which is just a projection of mind.
And the more reasons they give us for why the body should get ill...
So they can give us more potions to fill the coffers in response to it.
The more diseases they can invent, the more diseases they can get us to fear, the more the body will manifest them.
Whereas if you have understanding that the mind is the governor of the body, not the other way around, You don't get the same thing.
You don't get the same diseases. You don't have the same health problems that otherwise you would have.
Yes. So awesome.
Well, you're just an encyclopedia of knowledge, Dave.
I appreciate you coming on the show.
It's always a great experience, man.
Seriously. I had an interview once before and I'm always lost for words.
So I appreciate your time.
Real pleasure. I love talking about it.
I'm fascinated by it. I am absolutely fascinated by the question, who are we?
Where are we? What the hell are we doing here?
And how do we interact with each other?
I just can't get enough of that information.
We'd love to have you on with me and Laura again at some point in the future, if that's all right.
Wonderful. Thank you so much.
Wow. Two Davids.
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much.
Much love to both of you.
All right. We'll see you again soon.
Thank you. Bye. Okay.
Bye. Stage one you create a problem.
It could be a manufactured virus.
You want a reaction and you want them to either say, do something, or you want them to accept what the authorities suggest must be done.
So one of the agendas is to massively cull the population.
They want to reduce the numbers.
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