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Oct. 28, 2021 - David Icke
01:15:59
Who Controls The Money? - David Icke
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I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to get out of here.
Really grateful to you.
I wanted to talk maybe more specifically this time around on money and the money system.
There's obviously a lot of changes going on to the money system, the taxation system.
So who do you think, David, controls the financial system and how does the financial system work?
Well, it all comes down in the end, in terms of these society-controlling institutions, to what I call the global cult, which is a global network of secret societies and semi-secret groups, where they ultimately, if you go deep enough in the rabbit hole, a mission control, a central This explains why countries tend to respond to the same kind of situations in extraordinarily the same way.
You know, the COVID hopes is a wonderful example.
And the thing is, if you're talking about control and the need to control, then you look at society as it's structured.
And control is overwhelmingly dictated by money.
Who has it and who doesn't?
And if you look at a definition of freedom, well, it's choice.
The more choices you can make, the freer you are.
The fewer choices you can make, the less free you are.
And in the way that society is structured today, what dictates choice more than anything than money?
Who has it and who doesn't?
So I hear people talk about how The billionaires and the billionaire corporations, etc., are all about money.
But, well, yes, on one level, they have a mentality that has an insatiable greed.
But the bottom line of bottom lines is not about accumulation of money.
It's accumulation of control via the weapon of money.
And when you look at how this cult, in all its different expressions, brought in the money system to what it is today, it's founded on creating money out of nothing called credit and charging interest on it.
You know, you go into a bank and you say borrow £100,000.
Well, in theory.
Well, the bank doesn't do anything in terms of moving precious metal around or any of this stuff.
It puts into your account £100,000 called credit that has never, does not and will never exist except in theory.
And then it says, for doing that, we're going to charge you interest.
And if you don't pay back the principal and the interest on credit, then we are going to take your wealth that does exist, your house, your business, your land, whatever. And If you look at this creation of money, even in theory, when you go to a bank and you get a loan, you will borrow £100,000 in theory.
And they will put £100,000 into your account.
But you're not paying back £100,000.
You're paying back £100,000 plus interest.
The interest is never created, only the principle, even in this theoretical way.
And thus, by design, not accident, there is never at any point enough units of exchange, money, in whatever form it takes, in circulation.
To pay back all the principal on the debt outstanding and all the interest on the debt outstanding.
So absolutely included in the way it's structured is that People are going to lose their homes, they're going to lose their businesses because there's not enough money in circulation to pay back all the debt and all the interest on the debt.
Now when you have an expansion of the money supply And you have what we call a boom.
What that means is, of course, that there's lots of money, theoretical, etc., in circulation.
So there's more to spend on things.
So companies need to make more things and provide more services because of the demand.
And with that expansion, you can hide in the Peter Pays Paul method the fact that there's not enough money in circulation to pay back all the interest on the debt and all the principal.
But when...
And this is done systematically by that which is behind the banking system.
They start withdrawing money from circulation, like in 2008, the credit crunch.
They just stopped giving out loans of money that only existed in theory called credit, credit crunch.
People couldn't service their debt.
They couldn't pay back their bills.
And thus it becomes painfully obvious in a recession, in a downturn, that there's not enough money in circulation to pay back all the interest and all the principal on the debt.
And so this is a process that's gone on since this form of banking started.
Where you expand the economy and what happens in that time?
People take out more loans.
They get more confident.
They maybe expand their business because of demand.
They maybe buy a bigger house.
They maybe have two holidays a year instead of one and so on.
These are the good times.
But what's happening there from the banking system point of view, the whole, The fishing line is going out.
And then they start taking money out of circulation.
So there's not enough, as there was before, to buy the things that...
That generated the boom, that generated the need to loan more money to meet the demand of the boom, and the fishing line then goes back in.
And what's happening in this process all the way through is that there has been a constant exchange through this boom-bust cycle of real wealth in exchange for fresh air money called credit.
And this is a massive, massive foundation reason why we talk today about the 1%, when you have literally a handful of people who have equivalent wealth to the poorest half of the global population.
And it's not based on reality.
It's based on this manipulating of the money system.
So there's two things that have come up from that, David, and I'll ask them both together and just take it wherever you'd like.
Number one is, who is this cult that controls this money system?
And number two is, why do they want this control using this money system?
So they're the two linked questions.
Well, let me answer the first one, first of all.
Why does a psychopath do what they do?
Why does a serial killer do what they do?
Why do psychopaths act like they do?
And the answer is because they're psychopaths.
So what we're dealing here with are psychopaths, in fact, super psychopaths.
Super psychopaths that have, as psychopaths have, it's one of the, what is the top trait of a psychopath, they have no empathy.
They have no ability to put themselves in the feeling and experiences of Of those they affect.
So we, anyone who has empathy, it's the fail-safe mechanism of human behavior.
If you can feel empathy with the effect you're having on other people, that limits what you're going to do.
Because first of all, you're having an emotional consequence of what you're doing.
But when you have no empathy because you're a psychopath, you don't have that emotional consequence.
In fact, you get off on people suffering and you posturing your power over them.
So, you know, we're dealing with deeply, deeply...
Insane people from a consciousness point of view, but intellectually bright enough to understand how the human psyche works and how you can manipulate it.
Because when there's a few of you and you want to control billions, you have to do it by manipulating the perceptions of the billions so they act and respond in ways that suit your agenda.
They want to go to this next stage through connecting the human brain to artificial intelligence, which they're openly talking about.
But up to this point, they simply don't have the numbers to impose their will upon the population.
There's not enough of it.
Even taking into account the law enforcement and the government administration and all this stuff, there's still only a fraction of them Compared with the population they want to control and dictate to.
So the way they do it, and the COVID era is a classic example of it, is they manipulate the perceptions of the people so they act in ways that suit the agenda.
So they're psychopaths, so they act like psychopaths.
And in terms of who they are, well, that's a very long story.
But I have taken this back to at least to ancient Babylon and Sumer, and you can go back further and into other parts of the world as well.
But you can follow a network Which, you can follow it out of Babylon, you can follow it out of Egypt too, and into Rome, where they became the Roman Empire ultimately.
Wherever this network has gone through history, an empire has followed.
Because that's what they are.
They're acquisitive. They wanted global power and they went in stages expanding that global power.
So this cult has intergenerational families Which continue on through the generations.
So one era, people die, but the next generation comes in to take over.
And it's a long, long plan to get where they pretty much are now, which is global centralization of power.
So we had the Roman Empire, of course, and then this center of this cult moved up into Northern Europe and massively centered in London.
And what we call the City of London is the Financial District, which has its own police force, its own government, etc., Is a massive global centre to this day of this cult, which, of course, as we've discussed already, uses control of finance and money to dictate the choice, thus the freedom or lack of it, of the population.
And when they settled their centre in Britain, what do we have then?
We had the British Empire.
And we had these other European empires as well.
And what that period of colonialism was, was this cult going global.
And they went off.
And what did they say about the British Empire?
The sun never set on it.
It was so vast. But you had all the other European empires as well.
The French, the Belgian, the German, etc.
The Dutch. And you're pretty much spanning the world.
In terms of colonialism.
And then we had this massive sleight of hand when it appeared that the colonial powers were rolling back and giving freedom to their former colonies.
But that's not what happened. They exchanged overt, in-your-face dictatorship, which overwhelmingly has a finite life.
It may take a long time, but it has a finite life because the people under control can see their controllers.
The exchange that took place with the apparent colonial rollback went from Overt control to covert control.
And they left out in these former colonies this secret society network and the families that run it in each country because this global cult is like a holographic web.
One of the great traits of holograms is that every part of the hologram is a smaller part of the whole.
And this is how this cult works.
It's holographic. You have a global network and then you have subsidiary networks in each country.
And those subsidiary networks have the role of imposing in their sphere of influence The agenda dictated from the center.
And that's how you get this situation, as we've seen with the COVID era, of pretty much the same response, identical in so many cases, response to the same situation.
And so...
In each country, these subsidiary networks have the role of controlling that country's government, any political party that has a chance of forming a government, and a lot of the rest as well.
Controlling finance, crucial, the banking system, the financial system in that country, which is why the city of London is so important in terms of Britain.
Controlling the major corporations, controlling their health pyramid, which is how they pulled off the COVID hoax.
And so the various subsidiaries in these different countries are running the banking system in those countries in accordance with the centrally dictated And so you have organizations like the Bank for International Settlements in Baal, Switzerland, which was created by these families, the Rockefellers, etc., where the heads of the various central banks meet regularly to coordinate policy.
And it's all centrally dictated, but you've got these subsidiaries playing it out in each country.
And so then you had the further expansion of this cult's power through what is called globalisation.
Globalization is what?
The centralization of power in every area of our lives.
Globalization, we gave it a name eventually, is simply the ongoing centralization of power in the banking system and these other areas of human life that this cult is generating because it's a simple equation.
If the few want more and more control over the many, they have to centralize decision-making.
If you look at the history of this period I'm talking about, first of all, people were in a tribal situation where the people in the tribe were making decisions for the tribe.
Then lots of the tribes were brought together under what we call nations.
Now a few people at the center of the nation are dictating to all that group of tribes that form the nation.
And then in the European Union, of course, there's this Bringing together countries under centralized control.
Now, all the former tribes of all the former nations are now dictated from Brussels by people who are simply unelected.
And although Britain is supposed to have left the European Union, it's still welded to so much of its dictating of the way things operate.
And so the next stage, which is where it's been heading all along, I've been writing about this for 30 years, is to create a world government, a world central bank, which will dictate all global finance, a world currency.
I've been writing about this since 1992-93.
The idea was to create a single global currency and bring an end to cash.
And this Covid era, of course, has seen cash plummet even quicker than it was before.
And why?
Because the cult frontman appointed by Bill Gates, Ted Ross, Director General of the World Health Organization, created by the Rockefellers in 1948, said very early on in the COVID era that you could catch this, quote, virus off money, so better to use cards, etc.
And so money plummeted.
I mean, I started getting cups of coffee on railway stations from little cabins on the station where you always paid with money and now they only take cards.
And so you are looking at this constant centralization of power.
And at every stage, fewer people are dictating to more and more.
And there's another equation in this, which is that the more you centralize power, the more power you have at the center to centralize even quicker.
So it gets faster and faster and faster and faster.
And so, if you look at the COVID era, basically, it's been a period, the last two years, 18 months since the first lockdown, a period in which what has been happening in the background, in the shadows, in the peripheral vision, this manipulation, has gone on public display.
David, most of the globe is under a capitalist system.
No, it's not. It's under a cartelist system.
Okay. So, definitely would love to come to that.
The system that we know of, that we think we're under, capitalism, is that the problem?
Or is the problem how the system is being used?
And then could you talk about this cartelist system?
That would be interesting. Yeah.
Well, no. This is the point.
You know... This gets kind of frustrating when you observe the terms that are used.
For instance, the woke mentality is called liberal.
Oh, I'm sorry, it's the way I tell them.
It's the most illiberal mentality you'll ever come across in your life.
It's fascism more than liberalism.
But then you hear this anti-capitalism, down with capitalism.
Well, it would be nice if we had it.
What we have is cartelism.
If you take an example like Facebook.
Facebook, take Amazon, take many of these countries.
They are cult companies.
They were created with cult money, which was limitless.
And so what happens is they are built up to become monopolists.
And in their developmental period, they are allowed to lose loads of money.
Look at Amazon, for goodness sake.
Loads of money, year after year.
Phenomenal amounts of money.
Because they're building a monopoly.
And so you then reach the point Where you have your near monopoly and you start to make vast amounts of money.
And at that point, you can start dictating the odds.
You know, this is why suddenly, after we had a free internet, now YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Google, etc.
are involved in the most extreme hysterical censorship, which is simply digital book burning that the Nazis engaged in.
And what you're doing is you have these companies being built up with CIA money in terms of Facebook, etc.
And they are competing against other companies.
You could call them genuinely capitalist companies that have entrepreneurs that are using their creativity.
But those other companies they're competing with do have to watch the bottom line.
They can't go on losing money year on year on year.
And so they are under a tremendous disadvantage to these cult companies that have a limitless cash flow until they don't need it anymore because they dominate the market.
And then what happens, and we've seen this with Facebook and so many others, It's when other companies come along, they just buy them up.
When the competition comes along, they buy them up and they take them over.
And they basically have the competition in the end worth the name.
And that's cartelism.
When you see Groups within the same financial area, be they oil companies, be they social media companies, be they banks, whatever, moving as one unit to control The market.
That's not capitalism.
That's communism.
That's centralization of control.
And when you have your other cult-created organizations like PayPal and these other groups in the financial area, Who then say to people who are competing against cult companies like Facebook or social media, independent social media, entrepreneurial people, proper capitalist people, if you like, start to build up non-censored social media platforms and non-censored video platforms What happens is these cartel companies like PayPal and other payment companies come in and say,
no, no, we're not going to work with you anymore.
So you can't You can't go on operating because you can't operate without us because we control this market, this payment market.
So you've had it.
And then you have the example with Parler, the social media company that came up.
Because what they say, you see, this is the con.
They say, oh, well, no, Facebook and Twitter, they should have the right to censor what they like because they're private companies.
If you want to have no censorship, then start your own.
And then you do start your own.
And these cartel companies then come in and say, we're going to shut them down.
So Amazon just shut Parlour down.
Because Amazon, people think, well, Amazon's about ordering goods and they arrive in the post.
But no, Amazon have a fantastic breadth of control of what they call the cloud and, you know, the whole computer server operation.
It's massive. And therefore, they can shut you down.
And so what we've seen is more and more power in these various expressions of the economy being handed to fewer and fewer people so they can not only dictate what goes on, they can stop any other Genuinely capitalist competition from actually competing with them.
And if we look at lockdown, this is a vital area.
What I've been saying and writing now for decades Is the plan for what I call the Hunger Games Society.
And the Hunger Games Society, I thought it's something else before, but after the Hunger Games movie trilogy came along, I called it the Hunger Games Society because those movies portrayed what this Hunger Games Society I'm talking about plans to be, which is a tiny few people dictating everyone else via control of finance And by a dependency, Buy the population on the few for the very basics of survival.
And I've been writing again for a very, very long time that the plan is and has been to destroy independent income and independent business and force the population to live on what I said was going to be called a guaranteed income.
Which would be a pittance, and you'd only get it if you do what the government wants you to do.
Now that sounded fantastic, you know, when I first started talking about it.
But this is why lockdown has been instigated.
Not to protect health, a load of nonsense.
But to destroy independent business, independent employment and independent livelihood, who has benefited from lockdown?
Amazon, Facebook, all these major corporations have phenomenally increased their wealth and market share.
While genuine entrepreneurs in the small businesses and the medium businesses and even the bigger businesses that are not cult-owned, have been sitting in their homes under lockdown.
And what they did in this period, it's just ended, we're going to see now the consequences, When they started locking people down in Britain in the spring of 2020, they knew that this lockdown was going to go on and on and on, but they also knew that if they didn't provide some income, For those that were told their work was not essential and therefore couldn't be done,
then they were going to get massive pushback right from the start because people were not going to be able to pay their bills and buy food for their families.
So they introduced furlough and furlough was simply, I said it at the time, Buying silence and buying time for more and more businesses to be destroyed, more and more employment to be destroyed, independent employment, independent businesses.
And eventually I said, what they're going to do is they're going to pull the furlough payment and then you're going to see the consequences and you're going to see actually what's going on.
And I compared it to a similar situation.
With Margaret Thatcher and the miners.
What Margaret Thatcher did was pay the miners bonus money to produce as much coal as they possibly could.
It didn't have to be coal that was needed.
Just produce as much coal as you can.
And the coal stocks got higher and higher and higher because far more was being produced then.
Was being used.
And then what did she do?
She started closing the pit.
And the miners, she knew, and those consulting her knew, would go on strike.
But the lights were not going to go out as they did on the 10th.
Because the stocks were so high.
And they went a year.
And the stocks held out and they had to march back with their heads bowed and the mining industry was over.
This is what the furlough has been about.
And what we know is a very simple thing.
Know the outcome and you'll see the journey.
If you know where it's meant to go, you'll see the snapping stones to it every day.
If you don't, everything seems random.
So if you know the journey is to destroy independent business and independent employment with those businesses, then you know that lockdown's coming back because they haven't completed the destruction of it yet.
And you look at suddenly this crisis In terms of food shortages.
And yes, because of that, food shortages and other reasons.
And all these things that are happening now, they are continuing the impact of lockdown, even though we're not in it.
Because people are desperately trying to run their businesses and get the work done.
But under the problem of distribution and fuel, and I know this from my own books that are sent around the world, the container shipping industry, which business course depends upon, is in bloody chaos.
And what is happening?
Because of it, the prices are going through the roof, the prices of fuel is going up, the prices of energy is going up.
This is the big squeeze to push people into the lower echelons of the Hunger Games society so they become dependent on the state, the basics of survival, and dependency equals control.
All these things, all these dots connect if you know where we're being taken.
So David, this is fascinating.
I don't usually ask questions in sets of two, but I'm going to do it again because they're late.
So sorry about that.
But that was a very deep and thoughtful answer.
So number one, why do you do what you do?
Why are you so committed for much of your life's work to work?
Bring out this information, which is linked to my question number two is, then what's the solution to all of this?
Is it utopic and a dream fantasy to say we can have equality?
If they've got the control, do we just bow to it?
And how do we change it?
Well, do we just bow to it?
Well, talking personally, that will be the bloody day.
Why do I do it?
Well, I started...
Various things happened to me in the period of 1989-1990.
And I set on a journey from an understanding that the forces that appeared to be controlling the world, like governments and prime ministers and presidents, actually weren't.
The real power was in the shadows where you never saw it.
So I went on this journey of uncovering it.
To uncover not only that the power is in the unseen, but what that power is seeking to do in terms of where it wants to take humanity.
Now, because you're dealing with psychopaths who have no empathy and no limits, where they want to take humanity is truly, truly horrific.
And I saw this from the early 1990s.
And if you're a father, if you're a grandfather, if you're a human being that just cares about freedom and justice and fairness, and you look at little kids and you see that what those kids or the world, the society, That those kids are going to live in virtually all their lives if we don't head this off, which I could see.
I mean, at the time, of course, people were laughing.
It was all a load of rubbish, that bike.
But I knew it was true.
And that's why I kept going, despite all the ridicule and all the abuse, because I knew where it was going.
And so I looked at these kids and I looked at my own children and I saw the world that was planned for them.
And if you have a smear of decency, then what you do then is you give the rest of your life to trying to head it off and to alert people to it so that they can put an end to it.
Which brings me to the second question, which is how do we bring an end to it?
You know, people say, what's the solution?
Well, I'm not interested in solutions.
I'm interested in removing the cause of the problem, because that is the solution.
You can constantly look for solutions to a A problem.
And what solutions normally do, see politics, is lead to more and more problems, which need more and more solutions, which lead to more problems.
If you're going to break the cycle, then you have to remove the cause of the problem.
And if you remove the cause of the problem, the problem must disappear because its cause is gone.
And the problem, and you look right the way through human history, the problem with humanity Which is why the few have always controlled the many.
I don't care what the culture is.
I don't care what the historical era is.
It's the same. It's because the many give their power to the few in the form of acquiescence.
And that is how the few have always controlled the many.
And if we didn't do that, the few have no power.
Over us. So if someone comes out of Downing Street or the White House and says, we've had a discussion, they do it all the time these days, and this is what's going to happen, if enough of the population say, we're not doing that, we're not doing that, then they have no power.
There's not enough of them to impose it.
I'll give you an example.
When the COVID era started and the first lockdown started, People bought the myth, the ludicrous from the start, if you knew how this group works, claim that there's a deadly virus.
And so they meekly, because their perceptions were there's a deadly virus, get their perceptions, get their behavior, they do what you want.
People went under house arrest meekly because they thought, well, we've got to do this to protect ourselves from the virus.
And at that point, only a few people were protesting, made it dead easy.
Along came the police, arrested them, and away you went.
But as the summer unfolded of 2020, more and more people started to question it.
Still the minority, but more and more questioned it.
This doesn't make sense. There's a lot of things that don't make sense here.
And so I spoke in two events in Trafalgar Square in August and September of 2020, which had got about 35,000, 40,000 people.
And the police tried to come the brutal route on the second one.
But there were too many people to just drive people away.
And then by the spring, after another lockdown through the winter, by the spring of 2020, hundreds of thousands of people, 2021 rather, hundreds of thousands of people walking through the streets of London.
I've been on most of them.
And instead of the police coming and arresting people and breaking it all up, they stand on the side of the road and watch the people go by.
Because there's too many people for them to do anything about it.
Now, that is a visual expression of how we bring an end to this.
We stop cooperating with our own enslavement.
You know, through this whole period, I've never worn a mask.
I've never social distanced.
I will go out of my house when I choose, thank you very much.
And I've not done any of it.
I've not done it on the basis of, I'm not doing it because I'm not doing it.
I've done it on the basis of looking at the endless scientific studies, well over 40, 50 now, that show that masks are not only useless for stopping, quote, virus particles, because the holes are far bigger than viral particles, But they're dangerous.
They're dangerous to your health for multiple reasons, and they're particularly dangerous to children and young people because of the oxygen that's denied to the brain.
At a time of brain development, neurologists have pointed this out, a brain development where young people and children need enormous amounts of oxygen.
I knew from my research, going back decades to MKUltra, the mindfulness mind control operation in America, that they were putting masks on people and masks on kids in the MKUltra program because of the effect it had on their minds, dehumanizing them, de-individualizing them.
And I looked at the social distancing and how that just came out of nowhere.
Even some insiders have said they just picked six feet out in the air.
And then I looked at the background to this alleged virus in the spring of 2020.
I found that still today there's not a scientific paper on planet Earth to show it actually exists.
Then I started looking at the test, called the RT-PCR test, and I saw that the creator of it, a guy called Terry Mullis, said, this test cannot test infectious disease.
It can't tell you if you're sick.
It can't tell you if you have an infectious virus.
It's not created for that.
So they've got a fake test, which is giving them all the cases.
And then I looked at it, and I thought, when is the last time They introduced a system whereby if you test positive with a test not testing for the virus and die of any other cause, including gunshot wounds, within 28 days, then COVID-19 goes on your desk together.
Why? When's the last time they did that?
They've never done that. Then I looked at it and asked, why are they paying hospitals in America $4,600 through the Medicare system when they diagnose regular pneumonia?
But $13,000 when they diagnose the same symptoms as COVID-19 pneumonia.
And $39,000 when they've got a COVID-19 pneumonia diagnosis, the patient on a ventilator, the traumas will certainly kill them.
Why is this?
And so I thought, this is nonsense.
It will show it's nonsense.
It's a hoax.
I'm not cooperating.
And what's happened through this period up to present day is more and more people have realized there's a scam going on because it's become more and more obvious.
And what's happening now is that on these marches, More and more people who have had this fake vaccination, which is not actually a vaccination.
It doesn't fulfill the criteria of a vaccination.
They're coming on these marches because they've realized it's a scam because they've had two jabs and it's made no difference.
A lot of them have been ill.
A lot of people have already died.
The cover-up of that is extraordinary.
And now they're bringing in boosters.
And where this is going, and a lot of the chat now, more and more of the chat now can see it, is that they don't introduce vaccine passports.
That's the idea. It's probably coordinated.
Vaccine passports were starting, at least started the process of being introduced to the European Union in 2018 before anyone had heard of it from Covid.
So this is a long-term plan.
And you see where it's going in Israel.
If people want to see where the vaccine is going, they've looked at Israel.
Because what they've done, they've said, there's a vaccine passport, what we call a green pass.
Green, it locks into the climate change agenda, which is orchestrated by the same people.
And you have two jabs to get your green pass.
And that means you can go about your life, whereas people who are not having the two jabs, they can't.
Absolutely shut down Israel.
You can't do anything. But then you on come the Israeli government and they say, well, we're introducing a third one.
And what they've just said, and it's just because the deadline's just passed, they said, if you don't, when it came out, if you don't have the third jab within six months, then you'll lose your vaccine passport for having the two.
And now they're talking about a fourth jab.
In Israel. This is the idea.
More and more and more and more of these jabs because it's an agenda that's way beyond health except in the area of destroying it.
So now we have people in Israel who have had two jabs because they were told that will allow them to go back to normal.
And now they can't do anything more than people having jabs at all.
And this scam is going to be played in Britain.
It's being played around the world.
So what you're seeing is more and more people who bought the idea up to this point are seeing actually that.
And those people, plus the ones that are intelligent enough not to have had the jab because they've done a bit of research, Into the fact that they're putting synthetic genetic material into your body that hasn't been tested, where the trial is the rollout, and the consequences for people already.
So those groups of people, the Jabs who've seen it, and the non-Jabs, they have to now refuse to cooperate with the system.
Doesn't the violence just say no and mean it?
Because the next lockdown, It's meant to be the last one.
It's not meant to come out of it.
And if people want to see the vaccine agenda, look to Israel.
If you want to see the Orwellian agenda in terms of lockdown, look to Australia.
Because that's the blueprint.
They're the two blueprints.
And so we stand up now and stop cooperating.
Or we acquiesce to fascism, which is what's planned.
And I've said it in the books for 30 bloody years.
David, I'd love to talk about your latest book in a moment.
I have two questions, and then if you don't mind, we'll do a quickfire round.
So, number one is, in this world of increasing...
Globalisation and centralisation of power, how does one remain or become independently wealthy and free?
Well, the idea is you don't.
That's the point. The only way that you can do that is to stop cooperating with that that wishes to stop you doing it.
And that means independent businesses en masse Refusing to cooperate with the next lockdown.
See, what they've done, this is an interesting thing, what the British government has done, Because they're a bunch of liars, a bunch of psychopaths.
And you look at what's called the hair test, named after the man who devised it, the hair test of psychopathic traits.
And you look at governments around the world and these health professionals that are running the response, and they fulfill every criteria of a psychopath.
And so one of the traits of a psychopath is that you will lie as much as is necessary to get what you want.
You have no compulsion about lying.
The question is, do the lies get me what I want?
Okay, well, that's not a problem then.
So, they announced, you remember, in September, through this, you know, see above, Nahim Zahawi, who was then Vaccine Minister, he is tragically Education Secretary now, that they were going to introduce vaccine passports at the end of September.
And he announced it in the House of Commons, so it was official.
And about two days later, the government went back on that, and they said, we're not.
But we do have a plan B just in case.
Now, of course, the bloody liars, the plan B is plan A. It's masks and it's a vaccine passport and all this stuff.
But what they've done when they announced this, because, of course, you well know, what they do is they'll announce something.
Actually, usually not openly like that.
They'll usually announce it through the media, sources say, and they're watching the reaction, see if they could get away with it.
And if they don't think they can get away with it, and they've done sources say leaks, then they say, oh, no, no, we were never going to do that.
Or the classic line, there are no plans to do that at this time.
So they'd made a decision after that Sahawi announcement.
They didn't think they were going to get away with this without one hell of a fight at the end of September.
So they went back on it.
But what they did It said, we've got a plan B. They've just put it on the government website where that plan B is, and it's vaccine passports.
It's all of it. Vaccine passports are the globally centrally coordinated.
That's why Israel has them and all these other people have them.
All these other countries have them.
But there's more pushback in Britain.
It's more difficult for them here than in many countries.
So they know this.
That a lot of people are going to die through this winter and onwards from the fake vaccine.
Because this synthetic genetic material they're putting into the people through these mRNA vaccines, fake vaccines, is self-replicating.
It's nanotechnology.
It self-replicates. So all the time it's having more and more impact on the body and infecting more and more of the body.
So they know this is coming.
And what they are, they're already doing it.
But what they are planning is when this happens, they're going to blame it on COVID because one of the impacts of these fake vaccines is respiratory.
There are many others, but respiratory is one of them.
So they're going to blame it on COVID. And they're going to say, we didn't want to introduce vaccine passport.
We didn't want to have masks returning.
We didn't want this and that and the other.
We didn't want to introduce Plan B. That's why we call it Plan B. But of course, look at it.
We've got to respond. And they're already building up to that now.
This lunatic liar computer modeler, Professor Neil Ferguson, that justified through an unbelievably skewed computer model the lockdowns in America, in Britain, and many other countries in the spring of 2020, he's now talking about, oh, look, he's getting...
And the thing is that what they're doing now is talking about, when they have to, The number of people who have had this fake vaccine still end up with, quote, COVID and end up in hospital with COVID and are dying of COVID even though they're so-called fully vaxxed.
Well, first of all, the fake vaccine is not to stop COVID. Please show me that it exists.
Thank you very much. I'm still waiting 18 months on.
And a stream of information applicants have gone out all over the world asking the same questions, produced the scientific paper that shows it exists.
Not one has produced it.
And they're saying that these vaxxed people are getting COVID. No, they're not.
What they're doing is they're getting the consequences of the fake vaccine, and they're calling it COVID. How do you know they're not COVID? I've said this to people.
Well, I've had COVID. Actually, you had the flu, mate.
That's why flu's disappeared in the COVID era.
How do you know that you had COVID? Well, I tested positive.
Yes, we're not testing for it.
And therefore, they put them in hospital with the effects of the fake vaccine, which is why the numbers are going up now, and they give them a test.
And If they test positive with a test not testing for the virus, well, they're called COVID. And if they die within 28 days, it's called a COVID death, even though they've died in something else.
So this is what's coming so that they can justify reimposing everything that they had before.
And the irony, the irony, the lie that this is a A pandemic of the unvaccinated could not be more inaccurate by their own figures.
I've not social distance, not worn a mask, not done any of it since it all began two years ago.
And I've not even had a bloody sniffle.
I've hugged thousands of people on marches in Trafalgar Square.
Never had a sniffle.
Is that just luck? No.
It's because it's all a load of crap.
It's all a psychological operation.
And so many people have fallen for it.
And some of us haven't.
And some of us are not going to cooperate under any circumstances.
And you can't intimidate us into doing so.
Wow. Is the taxation system at the moment, David, fair?
And do you think there's going to be a tax grab for a long time after this to pay for it?
Well, do we need taxation?
People say, oh yeah, of course, because that's the mentality.
Oh, taxation, taxation, pay for everything.
Well, why are governments all over the world Borrowing money from private banks.
They're the bloody government!
Why aren't they creating their own currency interest-free and circulating it interest-free within the population?
Why aren't they creating money in this way?
Which is what the banks are doing, except the banks are charging interest as well.
And paying for public projects, why do they have to borrow money, add interest, taxpayer interest, from private corporations and banks and other institutions to pay for these projects?
Why aren't they creating their own money interest-free and paying for them that way?
Because the people who control the governments are the same people that control the banks.
And so laws have been passed to suit the banks.
And you look at people around the world, politicians, who have even started the process of introducing interest-free money issued by the government.
Abraham Lincoln.
The greenbacks, bang!
President Kennedy, the silver certificates, bang!
The worst nightmare of the banking system is interest-free money, because that takes their power away at source.
And their control away at source.
So the money system, money should be there to serve the interests of the population, to overcome the limitations of barter.
That's the great benefit and use of money.
So there is a conduit that means I don't have to paint your house if you'll come and do this to my barter.
But that there is a conduit that allows me to give energy to you and you to give energy for me for my contribution to you and your contribution to me.
That's the benefit of money.
Once you start charging interest on it, then money's reason for being disappears.
And becomes a tool of control and a tool of power.
And so you have this situation through the money system where you have, because of it, people with skills here, people that want those skills here, But those skills cannot be used for these people who want them because the money system stops that happening.
It locks people away.
It locks skills away.
It locks potential away.
Because if you don't got the money, you can't express that potential.
And what's happened in some areas of the world, I've written about this in books long ago, is when there's been a real economic disaster, They have created a system in a community whereby they have credits because there's no money for skills to be used for people that want the skills.
So how do you get across that?
And what these community systems have done is basically had someone essentially running the computer.
And then someone wants their house painted.
So their house is painted.
And credits go on the painter's account.
And the person who's had the house painted now has credits they have to contribute to the community.
For that, which relate to their skill and what they can contribute to the community.
And what these systems have done is overcome the limitations of the financial system.
There's no money to pay anybody.
And it's basically a middle ground between straight out barter and money.
And it's overcome, in many instances, this locking away of skills which cannot be used because there's not the money to pay for them.
And again, we come back to how we started out.
If you can control the money system, who has it and who doesn't?
You completely control everything.
You control choice.
You control potential.
You control possibility. And that's why this cult controls the money system.
Indeed, if you go back historically, created it in the form that it is today.
Thank you, David. So, I have six questions here, which I challenge you, should you choose to accept, to answer in 15 seconds or less.
Right, okay. That's asking me to do the impossible.
Yeah, this might be one of your life's greatest challenges.
I'll give it my best shot.
I know you will. Great.
Is money or the love of money the root of all evil?
Now, money is not the root of all evil.
Money, that's what we talked about, is a means of exchanging skills.
The love of money.
It's the root of all evil.
That's what the phrase actually says, where money becomes your goal for the sake of money.
And people get up with the sun every day.
You've got more money than they could spend in 20 lifetimes trying to get more.
I think that's a sickness, personally.
Like I say, it's about using money to control rather than using money just to acquire more and more wealth.
Do you think you're controversial?
I hope so. If you're not controversial in a world that's utterly insane, then it's time to find a mirror and ask why.
If a world that's insane doesn't see you as insane, you should find a mirror and ask why.
Because when an insane world says that Ike is insane, I punch the air and say thank you very much, very kind of you.
Because if this insane world thought I was sane, then I'd have a real problem.
If you had gun to your head, David, all of your financial holdings in cash or all of your financial holdings in crypto, which would you choose and why?
Well, where they want to go with the cryptocurrency, I'm talking about the cult, is to turn it into a one-world currency, where in the end, your money would be connected to your body.
This is part of this whole AI infiltration of the human body and the human mind and the synthetic changes taking place in the body thanks to these fake vaccines.
They want you to actually be able to hold your money on your body.
So you kind of do that, and bang, it's like putting a credit card across.
So that's where they want it to go, because that's complete control.
No one can do anything unless they know about it.
And of course, once all money is electronic, they can wipe it out when they like.
So if I had to choose between the two, I'd go for cash, even though they want to get rid of cash.
And why do they want to get rid of cash?
Because cash is private.
Whereas everything else is not.
That's why they want to get rid of cash.
David, if you could choose between one million in cash and one million engaged followers, what would you choose and why?
Well, that's a bad choice, really, because I don't want followers.
And anyone who is a follower of me is not listening.
The idea is to show people that they don't need to follow anyone, they need to follow themselves and become their own center of constructing their perception.
But what you can do is help that process by the information you put out there.
So I don't want followers.
A million pounds or a million people seeing through the lies, a million people seeing through the lies every, every time.
I live in a one-bedroom flat with this tiny office, and I've lived here since 2001.
I have the simplest of simple lifestyles.
I'm not quite a minimalist, but I'm in that direction.
Not through, you know, ideological choices, just the way I live in my life.
And so the only thing I could do with a million pounds is to put it into...
Into making the communication of this information more effective, but I certainly don't want it for myself, thank you very much.
I'm offered business opportunities all the time.
You promote this, you promote that, and you'll get this car every single time.
Nope, nope, nope.
So if anyone's watching this and thinks, well, we'll offer him a business opportunity because then he will promote this and promote that.
You're wasting your time.
If I think what you are wanting to do, and I've done this a number of times, is good for getting the information out, then I'll promote it.
I'll give it a good mention. But I don't want any money for it, thank you very much.
And I don't want a business opportunity.
I don't want anything to do with it. I just want to, you know, I'm 69.
And, you know, I'm 69.
And, you know, my life is dedicated to this.
It's not dedicated to making money.
David, what's your 15 second big warning to humanity?
If you don't see what's going on and refuse to cooperate with it, by very little time from now, you, your kids and grandkids, are going to be living in a global fascist dictatorship of total 24-hour surveillance control.
If you don't want that to happen, get off your freaking arse.
David, I'd love to hear about your new book.
I know you're a prolific author and would love to hear about it.
And when you told me the title before, that definitely intrigued me.
Perceptions of a Renegade Mind, yeah.
Because, well, it's a very topical book.
It's very much about things happening now.
But it goes deep, deep into where it's all coming from.
And it goes into the psychological manipulation that it's all founded on.
And how they do it.
But renegade mind, what is that?
Well, you can have a critically thinking mind and you can put dots together and you can see something and you can see what's happening.
But a critically thinking mind that can see it, or at least some of it, won't necessarily do anything about it.
It might still conform in fear of not conforming.
A renegade mind will never do that.
A renegade mind is a critically thinking mind, a constantly questioning mind, a not taking anything on face value mind without checking it out, especially if it comes from authority.
The added part of the renegade mind is, having seen it, it won't cooperate with it.
It won't be intimidated into cooperating with tyranny.
Because the renegade mind has self-respect.
Self-respect is the state of being that has ended every single tyranny in human history.
Because it's self-respect that says, no, I'm not cooperating.
My self-respect won't allow it.
And this is one reason, because I said earlier, it's the...
It's a psychological conspiracy.
Not just that COVID conspiracy, but the conspiracy in general.
It's all a psychological operation.
And so they want your self-respect.
A renegade mind will never give it to them.
But they want your self-respect because they know that once your self-respect has been handed over, there's nothing left.
What's left with you then is submission.
That's all that's left. And this is why, in the psychological game, they put monumental morons, that people can see are morons, in political power.
People like Biden, people like Johnson, people like Daniel Andrews in Victoria, Australia, and other leaders in Australia.
Macron in France.
They want you to see it.
Fauci in America.
And they want you to see all the contradictions in what these morons are telling you to do.
They want you to see them because if you can see that a moron is telling you to do something, and you can see that what they're telling you to do has no basis in common sense or science, but you still do it, They've got your self-respect.
And all that's left is submission.
And a renegade mind will never hand over its self-respect.
Never. And, you know, I'll die first.
And I'll willingly die first.
I'm going to die at some point anyway, thank God, and I'll stay here for it.
But I'm...
I'm not going to concede a centimetre to these people.
And they can't intimidate me because I'm unintimidatable, because I'm not frightened to death.
And so that's a renegade mind.
There's a lot more to it, but that's the basis of it.
And David, where can we follow you?
I'm going to be a bit cheeky here.
No, you can't follow me anywhere.
No, I'm not.
Look at my stuff, www.renegade.com.
Where can we get more of your teachings from online?
Yeah, well, get more of my information from, I prefer that.
That's davidike.com.
That's the basic hub where there's news stories on there every day, but put into context of why they're happening, not just that they're happening.
And all my videos are on there as well.
And then there's Iconic, which is our media platform.
It's like a...
An alternative version of Netflix in many ways.
These are original, iconic documentaries, not just conspiracy, that's only part of it.
The whole range of nature of reality, everything you can think of that you'd call alternative, looking and exploring alternatives, psychology, all of them.
It's all on there. And there's series.
I do a show there every Saturday morning at 10 o'clock where I go through the week's news and put it into context.
My son Gareth does a great show on a Friday night at 7 o'clock called Right Now, which is really that it is right now.
It's the news of the week and the people in the news that week.
Looking at the world from another angle.
And, of course, I say it's 7 o'clock and 10 o'clock.
They're on iconic, ongoing, and you get them on demand.
So, you know, my son Jamie put that together, and he's done a fantastic job.
He's been very, very successful.
And that's spelled I-C-K-O-N-I-C. Yeah.
Great. So, David, thank you much for sharing your time here.
It's been fascinating. Really grateful for you for doing this a second time.
Really appreciate you. Real pleasure.
Thanks very much. It's been very much enjoyable.
Thank you. Bye. Thank you.
We have to prepare for a more angry world.
And how to prepare?
It means to take the necessary action.
I don't want to be vaccinated!
I want to be free!
I want to live my life!
No one said this was going to be easy.
It's not going to be easy. Because we're facing psychopathic fascist...
Insanity. The problem is that the population is growing the fastest where people are less able to deal with it.
These people are mad.
They're insane. But they're insane psychopaths.
So we want to vaccinate the unvaccinated to the highest extent that we possibly can.
It's a great gift to be awake in a world that's fast asleep.
But with that comes responsibility.
Enormous responsibility. Who is going to turn this around?
The psychopaths running the system are not going to do it.
It's been such a tough year for so many people.
Who's going to do it then?
The awakening are going to do it and remove it.
We will.
The coronavirus pandemic started in China.
Oxygen, medical supplies and physical stuff have continued...
Stage one Ukrainian products, it could be a manufactured virus.
You want a reaction and you want them to either say, do something or you want them to accept what the authorities suggest must be done.
So one of the agendas is to massively cull the population.
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