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Oct. 23, 2021 - David Icke
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Right Now - Gareth Icke Talks To David Adelman (People's Lawyer) & Joy Warren (UKFFF)
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On the show this week, David Edelman, the People's Lawyer, gives us his take on the Coronavirus Act being renewed.
Joy Warren talks to us about government plans to fluoridate water in England and Wales and why that's a very bad idea.
Wendy, a businesswoman from Melbourne in Australia, describes what it's like living and working under the Dan Andrews regime.
And the co-founders of Revels on Roundabouts are in the Right Now studio telling us about the movement they started just a few months ago, which has now gone global.
And it's still not a blouse.
The Act gives the UK government the powers to basically do what it wants, or rather, what the people it works for want.
Spoiler alert, that isn't new.
Gates, a leading architect in the destruction of society and its subsequent reset, was here to issue his instructions, no doubt over a climate-friendly bowl of grasshoppers.
And the UK was underlining its status as a fascist state, void of democracy, the British Isles of Alcatraz.
Just in time, for it is the season to be jolly, a new variant of concern has emerged, coupled with the extension of the emergency powers.
The Christmas lockdowns are all but confirmed in every way, but for the Prime Minister's insincerely melancholy announcement.
I wish there was another way, but I'm a fully paid-up member of the World Economic Forum, so soz hun.
If you agree to lockdowns this winter, you're agreeing to lockdowns every winter.
Make no mistake about that.
As tackling a virus morphs into tackling climate change, they'll be banking on your continued compliance.
Because it's compliance that's got us here.
So everyone that went along with the tyranny for the last 20 months and said things like, It's just three weeks, it's just a mask, it's just a test, it's just a vaccine.
This is on you. All of this is on you.
More than a year ago in Trafalgar Square, I made the point that a robber doesn't turn up at your house the following morning to hand you your PlayStation back.
You either have to take it back, or better still, don't let them take it in the first place.
It's a bit late for the latter, but the former is still very much on the table.
Our first guest tonight is here to talk about how we can stand up to this insane system that really doesn't care about us at all.
David Edelman is a solicitor who goes by the name The People's Lawyer.
He's got a very different take on what the law really is and runs training courses explaining how we can take our power back and live full lives in this dystopian times.
He's got a lot to say about the renewal of the Coronavirus Act and what we can do to combat it.
We're very lucky to have him on the show.
Hi David. Before we start, we're just going to play the moment the vote was passed.
The question is, motion number four, as on the order paper.
As many as are of that opinion say aye.
Aye! Of the contrary, no.
Aye! Could I have the no's again?
No! I'm afraid, I fear, the mood of the House is not to have a vote on this.
I do understand. I think the Honourable Gentleman would have to rustle up a few more people to really get the sense that we required a vote when we do.
I'm sure they will.
So I think the ayes have it, the ayes.
Thank you. So what's your reaction to the Act being renewed and the way that it was done?
Well, the first thing that I would say is that it's a kind of an official confirmation, as if some of us needed it, that democracy is dead, and RIP is all I can say.
If no one turns up to vote, then it means no one is being represented.
The reason why I'm personally not shocked is because I spent many years going into schools and seeing the complete lack of democracy in schools.
So we can't expect a democratic society when we don't have democratic schools.
So this is business as usual.
And we need to, on some level, we probably should celebrate this because it's now obvious what used to be hidden is now becoming obvious, that we don't have a say.
We don't have a vote and our so-called representatives are just operating a different agenda which has nothing to do with us.
I agree. That's one positive I've seen throughout this, is the fact that the elephant has kicked over the coffee table.
It's not even hiding anymore.
Do you think with the schools then, the fact that there's no democracy in schools, that's almost preparing young people then, for them when they become adults, they just accept the fact that it's basically a dictatorship?
Absolutely. If you look inside most homes, there's very little democracy.
There's always somebody that rules the roost in most homes.
It's something that we need to look at seriously.
And we can start by redefining what education is, by releasing people from the need to have the state interfere in their lives.
Let me just give you a very interesting stat.
Three or four years ago, when I was writing a book on education, there was about 2 to 3 million boys and girls at home being educated in the USA. And after this COVID affair, there's now apparently 25 to 30 million.
Wow. So this is... This is how democracy is going to be re-established in America.
What happens in America happens here.
Well, there used to be a time lag of 10 to 15 years.
It's probably now 10 to 15 months.
So I'm fully expecting that in 2022, the figures of Home Educated will go up from about half a million to about 2 million.
And this is how we rebuild.
There'll be a lot of people out there saying, oh, blowing the whistle or crying wolf.
That what the Parliament has done is illegal.
Well remember it's full of lawyers and if it was that illegal they wouldn't be doing it.
So we have to be careful about the word legal because it's legal for a doctor to kill or maim you.
Legal just means in accordance with protocol.
It has nothing to do with moral and it has nothing to do with lawful.
So this is a red herring and a kind of a rabbit hole that a lot of people go down.
Yeah, of course. I mean, the original Coronavirus Act of March 2020 was introduced with only one day of debate.
Its renewal went through with just 90 minutes of discussion.
Given the Act's effect on the ways we live our lives, the way we work, the human rights, on the vulnerable, is that lack of debate legal in the way you've just said that?
Well, the lack of debate is very difficult to take a word and apply it to different contexts.
Is the lack of debate legal?
Well, I don't think I can give you a quick answer to that.
All I can say is That in 2020, on March the 19th, the government issued a notice on their website, and I think it was on Public Health England as well, that the coronavirus had been downgraded to an infectious disease of non-high consequence, which basically meant it's no more than a common cold, folks.
Relax, chill out. And then within three or four days, they mandated, if that's even the right word, but they recommended a lockdown.
So we have a complete lack of coherence.
And rather than legal and illegal, I would steer the conversation towards coherent and non-coherent.
Confusing. Chaos.
What's going on? We can debate legal and illegal till the cows come home.
But what's definitely going on is that chaos is being...
Promoted through odd, non-coherent decisions, which is causing people stress, causing people all kinds of problems in their lives.
And I always come back to education.
Because of the schooling system in this country, which has leeched out to the entire world, People take the government's word at face value and don't investigate further.
So we have a problem of ignorance, we don't know what we need to know, and we have a problem of fearfulness of authority.
And when you add those two together, it's a heady cocktail of compliance, and it's compliance that is destroying lives.
It's not actually the government.
The government are not helping, obviously.
But it's compliance with the people, and people need to stand up and take responsibility for this.
Some of us are. It's the compliance.
This so-called lockdown that we had last year, I call it a neighbourhood watch scheme on steroids.
It wasn't the police.
It was only when your neighbour would snitch on you and the police would come round.
Because the police are bored.
There was nothing happening.
No crimes were being committed.
So the police, nothing better to do than come round and start asking questions.
No. I actually had a conversation with a former police officer in Wales who was saying he'd been speaking to a colleague there, and during the first lockdown, crimes were down, I think it was about 85%, but phone calls to the police were up.
200%. And it was just people just grassing up the neighbours.
It's mad. Do you think as well, like you've just said there, obviously there's this mixed messaging, this chaos, this confusion.
That feels to me at least that that's intentional because if you can really confuse people And then at the same time you come back with, trust the science, listen to the experts.
It's almost like that kind of, I don't get it.
Yeah, go on then. They must know more than me.
They must know better than me because I don't understand this.
And obviously the reason you don't understand it is because you're not actually meant to because it's just chaos.
Absolutely. I go around the country these days giving talks about the current state of affairs and about who we really are as men, women, boys and girls, as opposed to who the government have entrained us to be through the schooling system.
And this chaos that's being created causes stress.
And one thing that I say in my talks is that stress, it lowers three things.
It lowers intelligence.
It lowers resilience.
And it lowers empathy.
And when you have, for example, if you're in stress, instead of thinking from what I call the Spock brain, you know, Spock who saves the Starship Enterprise every time with his rational thinking, instead of being in the Spock brain, the neofrontal cortex, you go into fight or flight to the reptilian brain.
And your thinking processes are based on fight or flight, and you will then, and it also infantilizes people as well, and you'll then take any quick fix to help the pain go away.
No conflict. Yes, okay, you want me to wear a mask to get into the shop?
Yeah, I'll put a mask on. You want me to wear a mask or take a jab to carry on working?
I'll do it. And it's not that people believe in what they're doing, it's just that they don't want any more stress.
And this is huge.
Infantilizing people is such a good term.
That's exactly what it is. And that's what I'm noticing from people that I know and respected over many years over, you know, we would agree on lots of different political issues that have basically just completely almost gone back into the womb and just curled up in a ball.
Will we see an end to this?
Or are we in a state of emergency forever?
Well, there's two worlds are being created.
And what they're doing is paving the way for a smart world.
Let's put it that way. You look around and they're building it as we speak.
This smart world, what I say in my talks is it will be run by and for artificial intelligence, and the main inhabitants will be transhumans.
The current version, I would call them currently narcissists, sociopaths and psychopaths.
And they're the kind of people that don't have this divine source connection, or if they do, it's very tenuous, it's very weak.
And they will opt for this blissful life where everything is laid on for them.
Meanwhile, the other world, which is what I call the natural world, is being formed as we speak.
Farmland is being... Farmers are giving...
Not giving, I suppose, selling land to communities that are rebuilding from scratch.
Creating, growing their own food, growing their own boys and girls, taking the boys and girls out of school and re-educating them properly.
And I've just recently been to a farm in Sussex that is one of the first.
It's part of something called the Hope Network and it should It will be huge and over the next six to nine months it will be enormous.
They're taking on I think 20, just locally they're taking on 20 boys and girls per week and they only have the infrastructure for three or four hundred.
They'll soon have a thousand people on the reserve list.
So yes, we are being groomed to accept a perpetual or a self-perpetuating emergency and it's paving the way for...
And some of us will not accept that and we'll be the ones creating this new earth and some will happily go for it and hide behind their TV screens Never going out or simply complying with whatever the TV screen tells them to comply with.
I agree completely. And also, you know, the mandating of the vaccine, if you call it a vaccine, for care staff and nurses and stuff, that will end up with teachers very, very soon.
And so you'll find with those particular schools that probably only have space, like you say, for a certain amount of students, because of the lack of teachers, are now going to have A large supply of teachers because some teachers will just not take this jab and so we'll just leave the schools and we'll be looking for work.
Because so many people don't want this, do they?
I mean, you go to these protests and stuff, you speak to people and lots of people feel alone.
Maybe because members of their family or members of their friendship group think they're an idiot, think they're killing granny or whatever.
But actually, there's millions of us.
And it's not even like millions of us worldwide.
There's millions of us in this country.
What can people do now to empower ourselves, do you think?
Should we be out there protesting more?
Or are there other things that we can do?
Like you've spoken about setting up these schools and things like that.
Well, yes, we should be out there.
We've started things like Standing in the Park, and that has progressed on to Rebels on Roundabouts, which is very exciting.
I've got some very exciting updates for the Rebels on Roundabouts that police cars go past, and the police inside the car are now giving the thumbs up sign.
That's fantastic. We've got the guys coming on the show this week, actually, so that's fantastic.
Oh, good. And one police car recently stopped and two police officers got out and said to the assembled partygoers, because they're basically having a party on the roundabout, and motorists stop and ask them what they're doing.
The police got out and said, if anyone gives you any hassle, just speak to us on this number.
Call us on this number. So things are happening that are very positive.
In answer to your original question, what can people do, apart from just get out there and be visible?
In a nutshell, I would say get out there, be visible, and the more they try to coerce you into staying home, the more important it is to be out there.
It's not so much a question of protesting.
Protesting is for children.
Children protest when they're being sent to bed early.
Well, we know one thing is going to happen.
They're going to go to bed early, which is why they protest.
It's not going to stop them going to bed early.
So we need to simply be the truth.
Another example is when people tell me that they're going to go to schools to canvas, you know, to inform parents and children and staff about what's really going on behind the scenes, what I say to them is don't push it.
Stand outside the school.
Set up a stall. Have tea, coffee, biscuits and sweets and attract.
Be a bit more gentle and subtle.
Be harmless. Don't trespass on the school and let them come to you.
When they come to you, you're no longer in trespass.
You're no longer breaching the Public Order Act.
You're no longer offending anyone.
You're no longer likely to Using words or behaviour likely to cause offence, harassment, distress.
And so you're staying within their version of the rules.
I call them rules because I don't like to use the word law.
It's not law. It's the rules.
So what else can we do?
We can join networks.
We can go to talks for...
Listen to people like me who are giving people more reliable information than they will ever get on the BBC, for example.
Waking people up to who they really are.
So individually, I'd say, wake up to who you really are.
And collectively, I would say, join forces, join hands with people who think like you so that you build in confidence.
You no longer think that you're bonkers because everyone's saying you're bonkers.
But this last year and a half has been the finest 18 months of my life because I no longer feel lonely.
I no longer feel like I don't have a purpose.
And this people's lawyer role that I play, at the end of the day, it is a role.
It's given me...
It's galvanized me into action.
Because we are at war. This is a war.
I was recently in Greenwich, and the talk was attended by some very, very nice people who are leading a good life.
They are successful, middle-class professionals.
They're leading a good life. And as a wise man or woman once said, the enemy of a great life is a good life.
And it's very difficult to persuade these people they're actually at war.
And so be conscious that there is a silent war going on and that we fight it best by being well, by being strong, by arming ourselves with information.
Knowledge is power.
And above all, by finding out who is like-minded and joining their networks and coming together.
I know it sounds a bit glib to say come together.
No, it's true. There's no option.
We have to come together. And when we come together, we will co-create things that we need to prevent encroachment or overreach from the smart world.
Absolutely. Strength in numbers.
Thank you very much for talking to us.
We really appreciate it.
You're welcome. Anytime, Gareth.
Thank you. Keep doing what you're doing as well.
Always. Earlier this year, before he had to resign for awkwardly snogging his aid, former Health Secretary Matt Hancock announced government plans to add fluoride to drinking water in England and Wales.
He said it's to help combat tooth decay.
The government says fluoride is safe and effective.
Many disagree, claiming it's bad for physical and mental health.
Normally, local authorities decide what goes in the water, but the government wants to leave them out of this discussion and instead put something in our bodies that many of us don't want.
Sounds familiar. Joy Warren doesn't want it and she's the co-founder of Fluoride Free Alliance UK, a campaign group standing up to these proposals.
Joy, thank you so much for coming on.
Can you tell us what the Fluoride Free Alliance is and what you're doing?
Alright, so we were formed in about 2017 and I coordinate all the people who want to fight fluoridation and we try and work our way through Changing the, how can I say, the mantra of safe and effective, because it certainly isn't safe and effective.
Yes, you just basically have combined our forces and our knowledge, and we're making loud noises now, fortunately.
And there are lots and lots of people.
In fact, we've got a petition running at the moment which has got 32,500 signatures on it, which is excellent news, I think.
It's only 23 days old, so we should get to our 100,000 within the six months allowed.
That's fantastic. That's great.
What are the effects of fluoride on the human body and mind?
Okay. A basic level, it's a reduction of endocrine function and reduction of enzymes.
So if you destroy or reduce them in any way, the body is going to come down into ill health.
The one we're concerned about at the moment is the reduction in children's intelligence.
Because if a mother is fluoridated and drinks tea as well, the unborn child will get too much fluoride And that will enter the body, get to the brain and into the bones and organs.
And we know from Canadian studies that this reduces the unborn child's intelligence.
And then when the baby's born and if it's formula fed and it lives in a fluoridated area, then unfortunately the child will get fluoridated through its body again and that will reduce its intelligence even more.
At the level of 0.7mg fluoride per litre, as is the case in Canada, intelligence reduces by 5 to 6 IQ points.
In the UK, at 1mg fluoride per litre, then the reduction in intelligence would be even more.
Where does the fluoride come from?
My understanding is that it's a derivative from industry.
Is that correct? Yep, it is.
It's industrial hazardous waste from, in our case, from the Negev Desert in Israel.
It's brought over by a company called Israel Chemicals Limited and it's distributed by Industrial Chemicals Group Limited around England.
It staggers me that you've got a toxin, a neurotoxin that comes out of industry and the idea is that we're going to put more of that in the water to try and save people's teeth.
Yeah, the thing is that it's industrial hazardous waste, and most waste like that should be dealt with, neutralized in the country of origin.
And there's no reason why it shouldn't be neutralized in a desert.
But unfortunately, you make money by selling it.
And once it's sold, it's no longer waste, but it's still hazardous.
I just can't understand the mentality of government wanting to pollute everything because once it gets into drinking water, it also gets into the sewage treatment and into our rivers.
So every river which has a sewage treatment works on it will put in half of the fluoride added to drinking water.
So most of the water we have in this country goes into our sewers.
Eventually, some of it might be used by industry or by agriculture, but it will still go into our sewers eventually.
But what goes into our households, I'd say about 98-99% goes into the sewers.
And we're not quite sure how it damages river life.
And we're asking the question of the Environment Agency at this point in time because, well, it all depends on whether the fluoride is in the current and goes down to the sea or whether it sinks into the sediments where it might possibly damage river life right up the food chain.
Of course. It seems strange, you're right, that you have the government that seems so focused on environment and climate at the moment, you're kind of hearing about it, and then they're actively pushing this.
It seems somewhat hypocritical to me from the outside.
Well, it could be that it's not joined up at all.
I mean, the Department of Health and Social Care probably doesn't talk to the Environment Agency or DEFRA, and we've had confirmation Following a Freedom of Information request that Sajid Javid has got no intention whatsoever to do an environmental risk assessment.
Well, he doesn't have to because he's not in charge of the environment.
But the right of the Freedom of Information didn't actually suggest that it should be the EA to do a risk assessment.
And that's very, very strange.
It almost feels sometimes with these things, if you think you're going to get a result you don't want to hear, then you just sort of don't do the assessment.
There's been successful campaigns in the past, of course, to stop fluoridisation in several parts of the UK. Do you think that you can win this one as well?
We're getting a lot of people backing us.
As I said, it's unprecedented to have Petition going up to 33,000 in 23 days on fluoridation.
So we have great hopes that Basically, what we're saying is going to be taken on board.
You just cannot add a developmental neurotoxin to drinking water, especially since there's no way that water companies can add beneficial minerals.
I mean, I'm always banging on about magnesium being a really good mineral, and lots of places in England are deficient in magnesium in the drinking water.
We know that magnesium is essential for dental health.
So when you have low magnesium, you're going to have fluoride added.
You're going to have a fluoride stopping the magnesium being bioavailable.
That's just common sense.
And people who are into Naturopathy, which is the study of vitamins and minerals and nutrition, will know this and they will spread the word, we hope.
It's, can we win?
I hope so, because if we don't, then, well, how can you possibly live in a country which pollutes its own drinking water?
It doesn't make sense.
Exactly. And also, I look at it in the sense that if you know these facts about these studies in Canada and their effects on the IQ of children, etc., there's no way that people within government that are making these decisions don't know them either.
Like, I don't believe that for a minute.
But there are other actors who are pushing the agenda.
And I think the one that is, how can I say it, primary at the moment, is the dental lobby.
They're really concerned.
Because of COVID, so many dentists have become bankrupt, have gone out of business.
And other dentists are going to be retiring early because of the problems they've been having with reducing the number of appointments they've had each day and all the sterilization of their premises.
And obviously some dentists are just going to be retiring anyway.
Because of that, there are less clinical placements For dental school students, that means there'll be less dentists coming out of dental school at the end of their education, at the end of their course.
So which means that there'll be less dentists full stop for anybody, especially in NHS dentistry.
That being the case, children's teeth are going to suffer even more, especially if parents do not help their children to clean their teeth.
So I think that's going to be the main driver at the moment.
Why do you think that the dentistry kind of system, why they believe that fluoride is the best way to prevent tooth decay anyway?
That's a difficult one.
I suspect, first of all, you've got to look at the textbooks in dental schools to see whether they've been changed over time.
The message that it's toothpaste, which is brushed onto teeth, which contains fluoride, is better than swallowed fluoride, hasn't quite gotten through to the dental schools.
And there's some people who are absolutely Intense on pushing fluoride as being the best things since sliced bread, with or without folic acid.
And well, it's so difficult to work out their mentality.
But I suspect this all starts with the tutors who haven't changed their opinion throughout the years.
I'm just thinking now, because I've got two kids, I think the way that they, as children, drink, they often drink using a straw, so I'm thinking that's not even going anywhere near the teeth, it's just going straight down the throat, and the same, you know, I'm just thinking now, if you had a cup of water, like, short of swilling it around your mouth and swishing it through your teeth, which no one does, apart from maybe if they're going on a date or something, that it's not going to go on the teeth, so it seems strange to me.
What do you think people can do, both obviously to stop the proposals, But also, perhaps more importantly, to protect themselves if it does go through.
Okay. I'm going to take you back to swallowing water because we've thought about that.
It's not really the incorporation of fluoride into teeth when they're still developing under the gum, which is the point that they're pushing now.
They're pushing the fact that swallowed fluoride appears in saliva time and time again.
And when it's in the saliva, it's been...
Are being affected by it.
So that's what it's all about.
But the amount of fluoride in saliva is very, very tiny.
And you say your kids don't drink much tap water.
They prefer to have Coca-Cola or things like that.
That's true. Young kids probably don't drink more than, say, a third of a litre of water a day.
So, it just is so counterintuitive to damage our bodies and our intelligence by having this toxin, just so you can have a little bit of fluoride in saliva, which might or might not incorporate into enamel.
Right, so what can we do?
Well, we can all stand up and be counted.
We can either avoid and fight, or do both, and I advocate both.
Because once you avoid, you're empowered, you know that you're safe, but you still don't want to let the government get away with this sort of action.
So, as I say, the petition can be signed, and it's there for all to see.
I've got the link here.
Petition number? OK, yeah, yeah.
59714. Correct.
It's easy to find.
And it's there for another five months.
That's the first thing to do.
I know that you're sort of not happy about MPs and how they're there to help us.
Well, they should be helping us.
I suspect some of them do not know about fluoride, especially the brand new ones who haven't been there for more than two years.
There are people in the House of Commons and in the House of Lords who were against fluoridation back in 2003.
We've contacted them and hope that they will be able to educate their colleagues.
What else can we do? We can keep writing ad nauseam to Sajid Javid, but he probably won't reply, or we'll just get a template letter back which will just say the same thing all the time.
But at least they will know that there is a groundswell of opinion against this action.
This proposal.
We find it really bad news that they are proposing to fluoridate the entire country.
And as I said earlier, that will be polluting all our rivers.
That is not good for our environment.
We need to write to everybody we can write to, to protest.
And a lot of people out there we can protest to.
I can't give you a list, but...
No, no, of course, no.
No. But thank you for what you're doing and thanks for talking to us.
What's the web address where people can find you?
Oh, www.ukfffa.org.uk.
Magic.
That's you.
Thank you so much.
Thanks for this. Okay, you're welcome.
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