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Love Will Do What's Right - David Icke Featuring Cathy O'Brien

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	Thank you.
	In today's episode, we are joined by none other than David Icke.
	Join us as David helps us better understand the collective mass trauma that we have all been exposed to, the importance of consciousness in the healing process, and how love will always do what it knows to be right.
	We also surprise David with a special guest and dear friend of his, Kathy O'Brien, who joins us for the last 45 minutes of our interview.
	Hi, everybody. Welcome back to our final episode of the Trauma Recovery Series that we have been running over the past 15 weeks or so.
	And in today's episode, we bring on David Icke.
	And not only is David joining us, but we surprised David by bringing a dear friend of his, Kathy O'Brien, on in the last 45 minutes.
	And so we have a group conversation, which is pretty remarkable.
	So make sure you stay tuned and listen to the end of the episode and catch all of that important information.
	Now, for those of you that aren't aware of David or that are aware of David, you might be wondering, how does David Icke fit into the Trauma Recovery Series?
	Well, Tan and I had been listening to some of his different information.
	And actually, Kathy O'Brien sent us one of the videos that he had done that was really quite insightful.
	And we'll put a link to that at the bottom of the show notes here, too, so you can check that out.
	We talk about that in the episode.
	But it was really quite profound.
	Consciousness. And what you'll learn from David as we talk to him is that I know David is well known for his conspiracy theories, but David's also incredibly insightful.
	He's actually very grounded.
	He is...
	He has a ton of love and care for humanity and incredibly intelligent.
	And he's very spiritual and has a very strong grasp of consciousness.
	And within our conversation that we have with David, we talk a lot about consciousness as well.
	We talk about the concept of love and how love has been sort of turned around a little bit and watered down and what real love actually means and what it means to live from a place of love as opposed to living from a place of fear.
	He gets into talking about mind control and the mass trauma that society has literally been under for decades.
	We talk about so many different topics in this interview that I just think is one of my favorite interviews I've done.
	There were so many different pieces.
	Of information that was just so important.
	We talked about spirituality, and how a lot of times spirituality can actually be used as escapism.
	And I've seen that firsthand.
	I've done that myself in the past.
	So it's like you can see some of these different patterns that go on when you've experienced
	them yourself and you can see them playing out in the world around you.
	David talks about one of the most important things that we all need to be able to do is
	he talks about the necessity of celebrating our own unique self without apology and without
	permission from others.
	Now this specifically is such an important concept to grasp.
	And then we need to reflect that back to ourselves and ask us, what does that look like if we are celebrating our own unique self without apology or permission from others?
	How do we live our life connected to what that feels like?
	When are we not celebrating our own uniqueness?
	And David actually gets into that in quite a bit of detail as to why it is absolutely essential that we all really live from that place of our unique selves.
	The world actually needs every single unique individual.
	That's what we need right at this point in time.
	He talks about the importance of self-respect and saying no.
	Like just saying no.
	Not doing things.
	Not doing things that fall outside of feeling right for you inside yourself.
	Especially when you are connected to that deeper sense of knowing of what feels right, what feels wrong, and then being able to say no when something does not feel right.
	And that if everybody actually did that, certain things would just end very quickly.
	He talked about power and knowledge.
	He said that knowledge is not power, but the use of knowledge is power.
	And we get into that concept in more detail as well.
	And then when Kathy joins us too, it's such a neat reunion and it opens up a brilliant conversation.
	And throughout that section is when David started to talk about love will do what it knows to be right.
	I love that quote.
	I think that's a brilliant quote.
	And he has such profound things to say around that, both him and Kathy.
	So I hope you guys enjoyed this episode.
	This was a really fun one for Tay and I to be involved in.
	And we really valued the information that we got from both David and Kathy.
	So I hope you guys enjoyed this episode.
	This episode will be on Rumble just by the nature of the content and because anything with David Icke on it is likely going to be censored.
	So you'll be watching this on Rumble.
	So if you haven't checked it yet, click the link below.
	It's right there. Click on that and that will take you directly to the Rumble channel where you can listen to the full episode.
	Hi, everybody. Welcome back to the Inspire Health Podcast.
	And as we finish up with our finale on our trauma recovery series, From Surviving to Thriving.
	And today's guest is groundbreaking author, research and public speaker, David Icke.
	And David, welcome to the show.
	We're super excited to have you on the show today.
	Yeah, thank you. Pleasure. So, people that have been following this series for the last while, we've done a lot of episodes breaking down trauma.
	And after we did the Science, Physicism and Beyond series, we decided that trauma was a really important thing to start to collectively start to work on our own individual trauma.
	And most of the episodes Really got into how to work tools, practices, perspectives on trauma, how to work with it from an individual perspective.
	And then today what we want to do is shine kind of a wide angle lens on the collective trauma that humanity has been going through, that they're currently going through.
	And in many ways that a lot of times I think people don't even realize to the degree that it's going through.
	And so earlier on in the series, we talked to Kathy O'Brien and Kathy sent us a video called The Whole World Will Hear Us by David Icke.
	And this is a really very moving video.
	And you spoke a lot specifically on what's literally required to transform our reality.
	And move forward. And so we wanted to talk to you today and just break this whole concept down.
	And maybe we can start with, where are we currently?
	Like a 5-10 minute synopsis on where is human evolution currently at at this point in time?
	And even for people who might not be familiar with your work, I mean, this is something that you have spoken of for decades.
	And a lot of people might just be stumbling across your work now.
	And for a long time, your perspective had been ridiculed because you posed a lot of inconvenient details that people were, that was going against the mainstream narrative and also a lot of belief systems.
	But now I feel like the tides are changing and we're paying closer attention to the details that you've shared with us for so long.
	Yeah, well, thanks for inviting me.
	And first of all, I just want to say Kathy O'Brien is a fantastic lady.
	I met Kathy, they say by accident, but, you know, synchronicity is not accidental.
	I was sent a book called Transformation of America about the mind control of America individually and collectively.
	And it was sent by someone I knew in Scotland, fully enough.
	And I read it.
	I went up into the bedroom, I remember, and just read it from cover to cover once I got into it.
	And then I was coming to America to speak on these subjects, the conspiracy subjects, for the first time.
	And it was at an event in Denver, Colorado.
	And they put little tables out for the speakers to, you know, Display their books.
	And the one next to me was Kathy O'Brien, whose book I just read, literally, two or three weeks earlier.
	So that was the synchronicity.
	So I've known Kathy since 1996, and she is one brave, gutsy lady, and deserves enormous credit for what she's exposed.
	And, you know, she contacted me Back in around the middle of 2020 when all the masks were coming in and she pointed out that masks were used as part of MKUltra mind control which she experienced.
	Her daughter Kelly who was born within MKUltra so was born in captivity if you like.
	I've met Kelly as well and Kathy was saying that they made Kelly wear a mask from the age of two because of its impact on the brain in terms of oxygen and also the dehumanization and depersonalization of psychology that has an effect.
	So, you know, you're talking about trauma.
	And basically, what's being inflicted upon the human race, particularly in the COVID era before, mind, but less visible, is mass trauma.
	And, you know, you look at...
	The background to these mind control projects like MKUltra.
	And from that time in 1996, I spent the next probably six, seven years investigating mind control, how it worked and the techniques.
	And Then when the COVID era started, I was looking at the world, I was looking at human society, I was looking at the restrictions and the regulations, and I was looking at MKUltra techniques being used on the population.
	It was kind of bizarre.
	And then Cathy came on and said, you know, have you seen how they're using MKUltra on the population?
	So, trauma-based mind control, that's what MKUltra was.
	That's what so much of this mind control is.
	Because it compartmentalizes the mind into a honeycomb of self-contained compartments, which the mind control industry calls alters.
	And they create a front altar, which is...
	Supposed to be the person's personality, not only for those around them, but the person themselves thinks that's them.
	They call it the front altar.
	But all these other compartments are in the subconscious, and they program them with behavior traits and perceptual traits.
	And when they then move through hypnotic keys and other techniques, the front altar into the subconscious and bring a back altar forward, the back altar then becomes that person's behavior, becomes that person's personality.
	And so how do they compartmentalize the mind?
	Through trauma.
	They make even young children, these people are psychopaths beyond belief, experience horrific trauma.
	They find out what makes the child the most terrified and they make them experience it.
	So the mind then shuts out the memory of the trauma and creates basically a compartment, what they call an altar, which can be, like I say, programmed with a task.
	This is where your Manchurian candidates come from and all this stuff.
	So what's happening to the population in general is they're being systematically traumatized.
	And you can see these...
	These altars created that shut out the trauma by basically creating a bubble around it.
	And this is one explanation for why so many people simply cannot see the bloody obvious.
	Awakening people I'm looking at the world now and the COVID restrictions and the pronouncements and the statements and the contradictions.
	And they're putting their hands on their head and they say, why can't people see it?
	Well, a lot of people can now, but a lot of people can't.
	And part of it is this not wishing to face what you don't want to experience.
	And this is why fear is the weapon of choice of that force which is behind all this.
	And, you know, trauma is a perception.
	I think we have to kind of grasp this.
	It's a perception.
	Something can happen to people and they can be traumatized.
	Something can happen to people, the same thing, and they feel energized by the experience because now they have greater knowledge than they had before.
	It's like everything in life It is the receiver that dictates the response, dictates the effect.
	So through 1990s, the 1990s, and across into the 2020s and up to now, I've gone through enormous amounts of ridicule and abuse.
	I mean, just historic levels in the 90s and around that period.
	And it could have traumatized me.
	I mean, it would have traumatized a lot of people.
	Absolutely, understandably, it was incessant and it was extreme.
	But I chose not to receive it like that.
	I chose to receive it on the basis of I'm speaking my truth and what people make of it is up to them.
	But my truth is my truth and so I'm going to speak it and I'm not going to be intimidated into not speaking it.
	And if people hurl abuse at me, well good luck and have a nice day because it's going in one ear and out the other.
	And so you can receive a traumatic situation in many different ways.
	And so often we lose an understanding that The way we receive information, the way we receive experience, is a choice.
	So you see with this woke mentality, everyone's offended.
	Now, I don't know what it's like to be offended because I don't receive information or experience in a way that I'm offended.
	If people don't agree with what I say, well, they have every right not to agree with what I say, but I have every right to say it.
	And so that's the dynamic.
	And if you don't like it, we'll do the other thing because that's fine with me as well.
	But others would say, well, I'm offended.
	How dare you say that about me?
	Well, once you start down that road, what you're doing is you're giving your entire power away.
	You're giving your power away to that which you've decided offends you.
	Because now the person offending you is dictating your life.
	It's dictating your emotions, how you feel.
	And all these different aspects of your daily life are being affected by someone who's offended you.
	But for you to be offended, you have to choose to be offended.
	So what I'm saying is that, I mean, there are some horrific traumas.
	I mean, geez, when I've investigated MKUltra, it's horrific.
	But so much trauma.
	Is received as such because people make a choice to do that.
	And they don't have to.
	You don't have to concede to fear.
	It's a choice.
	I mean, if you look at the spring of 2020, when people were...
	Kind of fearful because they didn't know what was going on.
	What's this thing in China and all this fear-based propaganda that was being spewed out by the hour.
	And so many people, because they took on the fear, they chose to take on the fear, they went under house arrest.
	Billions of people went under house arrest, mostly meekly.
	Because they thought that they had to do that to protect themselves from what they had allowed themselves to fear.
	And if you look at fear...
	People that concede to it almost every time, if not every time, give their power away.
	Because once you can get someone in a state of fear of something, people look outside of themselves for protection and others to protect them from what they've been manipulated to fear.
	You know, mainstream medical doctors, most of which haven't got a clue how the body works or what the body is, They're just prescription writers for a big pharma.
	They get their power from people fearing death.
	And you know, I think this is the foundation of it all.
	The fear of death.
	This is the bottom line of everything.
	Because once you realize that there is no death, That the body may have a cycle, yes, but we, consciousness, have eternity.
	Then everything starts to chill out.
	And the amount of things that you can be traumatized by and intimidated by just plummets.
	Because what's the worst that can happen?
	Okay, you leave the body.
	Well, you can leave the body at some point anyway.
	Just a matter of when.
	So, you're going to threaten my life if I speak out?
	Well, okay. You threaten my life.
	I'm still going to speak out.
	You know, I would rather leave my body a bit early.
	I won't mind. But I'd rather leave my body a bit early, speaking my truth and holding on to my self-respect.
	Than to bow and submit to buy a few more years in a dystopia.
	And so the trauma of...
	Intimidation, which is what authority is projecting all over the world, disappears when you don't fear death.
	I mean, not only don't fear death, I welcome it.
	I don't want to stay here forever. Are you kidding?
	When I've done what I've come to do, like all of us, I've been delighted to go.
	So there's no trauma in death, and thus there's no trauma in threatening my life.
	There's no point, actually.
	And the number of things you can, like I say, be traumatized by once you lose the fear of death, it's minuscule.
	I totally agree with you on that, too.
	And, you know, we've talked about this in many ways.
	The only way you can really grapple, I think, with this is you need to have a spiritual perspective on what's going on.
	Otherwise, I feel like there's...
	I don't think there's a way to get out of it so much of the fear propaganda unless you do have a bigger perspective on what's actually going on.
	It helps so much to be able to let go of a lot of the fears that do come up.
	I think that...
	If we get deeper into this, and this also relates to trauma, you know, over the decades, I've gone deeper and deeper and deeper in the rabbit hole.
	And the deeper you go, the simpler it gets.
	Because higher up the rabbit hole, everything's moving.
	Organizations, people, networks, and then you go a bit lower.
	And you move into the wider perspective of it all.
	What's behind all this manipulation?
	What's behind even more?
	What is this place?
	Who are we?
	Where are we?
	Why are we here?
	And you keep going deeper.
	And you come into the non-human element of it all and what have you.
	But then... But then you hit the point where it all comes out of.
	And it's real simple.
	Perception comes from your state of consciousness.
	And perception becomes behavior.
	And collective behavior is what we call human society.
	So if you follow back from human society, all the stuff that goes on, you go through perception, or you go through behavior, you go through perception, and then you go through to consciousness.
	So what is driving people is their state of consciousness.
	And so when you go really deep in the rabbit hole, you realize that, you know, you can talk, and I do, and I have done a great length over the years, about networks of manipulation and satanic groups and secret societies to do all that.
	And it needs doing. Of course it does.
	So we know what's going on. But in the end, what's driving The secret society networks that I call the global cult that's behind the COVID hoax and all the other dystopian agendas.
	It's their state of consciousness.
	Those who are awakening and seeing it are awakening and seeing it because of their state of consciousness.
	And people are not seeing it because of their state of consciousness.
	So what is going on here?
	So when I started to realize that, first of all, in the early 90s, that this global network existed and what its game was, I started to ask the question, when did it start?
	And you comfortably go back into the ancient world.
	You go back into ancient Egypt, into ancient Babylon and Sumer and so on.
	And you see people coming in and going out, being born and then dying, being born and dying, well, body dying anyway.
	They play a part in advancing this agenda and expanding it to its global state now.
	And then they pass on.
	And then other people come in, the next generation does it.
	And I looked at it and I thought, there has to be an organizational force that's Spanning this period of in-out individual contributions to advancing this agenda.
	And then I started to look around the different cultures and the different religions, looking for a common theme for what this force might be.
	And you start to realize that actually, although they use different names, that they're describing the same force over and over again.
	In all these different areas.
	So the Christians talk about Satan and the devil and demons.
	The Gnostics, who were not Christians in that sense, they talked about a negative force called Yaldabaoth and Archons, which were the Christian demons.
	Then you look at the other different cultures, like the jinn of Islamic belief.
	I was in a taxi being driven by a Muslim taxi driver from New York once, and he asked me, he said, what do you do?
	I said, well, don't you start talking?
	And I started talking about these Gnostic archons and what the Gnostics said they were all about.
	And he said to me, well, that sounds like the gin.
	That's just like the gin.
	Yeah. Because you see this theme.
	Different names throw people, but it's the same theme.
	And I just got a book out called Perceptions of a Renegade Mind.
	And the last chapter is called Escaping Wetiko.
	And it's called that because I then come across...
	The name the Native Americans use, or at least the Cree tribal group use, for this same force, and they call it Wetiko.
	And basically, what all these things are describing, all these different belief systems are describing, is a state of consciousness, a very inverted, chaotic state, What we would call evil consciousness, but my definition of evil is the absence of love.
	Once love's gone, evil remains.
	But bring in love, evil's gone.
	And so when I looked at how the Cree described Wotiko, it was the archons.
	It was all these things.
	And it's a state of consciousness that's in a very low vibrational frequency state.
	Very chaotic, very inverted.
	That's why expressions of it, like Satanism and what have you, they use inverted symbols, for instance.
	Satanists invert the pentagram, they invert the cross.
	Inverted the cross is not to do with Christianity.
	The cross is an ancient symbol.
	They just invert everything.
	It's like the Nazis turned the swastika around to represent the negative force.
	So this Wotiko is a state of consciousness, which at its most extreme...
	Is what brought psychopathy into the world.
	Psychopaths. Psychopaths, they have a list of traits.
	It's called the hair test, named after the guy that developed the list.
	A list of traits which, if you have enough of them, you are officially designated a psychopath.
	Now, it's psychopaths, super psychopaths, actually, that are driving the COVID hoax and are driving the dystopia and the fascism globally.
	And the major traits of psychopaths is, number one, lack of empathy.
	The inability to put yourself in the experience of others you're affecting.
	Empathy is the fail-safe mechanism of human behavior.
	And if you don't have empathy, there are no limits.
	There's no fail-safe mechanism to kick in.
	I can't do this to this person because I can empathize with how it must make them feel.
	No limits. So you're looking at your Bill Gates, your Klaus Schwab's at the World Economic Forum.
	You're looking at Anthony Fauci.
	You're looking at some desperately...
	Wetiko people in Britain who are driving the whole COVID hoax here.
	And you're looking at Wetiko. They are expressions of this Wetiko.
	Satanism is expressions of this Wetiko at its most extreme.
	And lack of compassion is another major trait of psychopaths.
	And so you hear over and over again When you're explaining what's going on, you hear, they would never do that.
	They'd never do that.
	No, no. You would never do that.
	They would do it and get off on it.
	And it's understanding the scale of evil, inversion, Evil inversion of life that we're dealing with to grasp actually that they would do that and they are doing that.
	But Watiko is more than that.
	One of the great traits of psychopaths is they'll lie for as much as necessary to get what they want.
	There's no shame or embarrassment in lying.
	You lie. Why do you lie?
	Because I get what I want. Now, When you look at...
	I mean, I've worked in the mainstream media for years at the BBC, on the newspapers and radio stations back in the 70s and 80s.
	And it was always corrupt.
	You look at the COVID era.
	I've never seen anything like this.
	This global media coordinated lying on a scale that I don't think we've ever seen before.
	And so that's a trait of Wotika.
	This ability or feeling it's okay to lie by the minute and the hour in terms of the global media.
	To what?
	To promote the agendas of the psychopaths, the super-wetiko.
	And then you come down to the general population, and you've got this great number of people who have lost the ability, if they ever had it, to process information into a conclusion.
	See, what people in control of their own minds do is they take information and they filter it and process it into a conclusion.
	What great chunks of the population do today is take the information as a conclusion.
	So when the governments make a statement or the media say, this is what's going on, Then that is not information to be processed.
	That is a conclusion.
	To be absorbed. And you'll see this, we see it all the time, where someone will say, I'll tell you what I think's going on.
	This is my opinion. And what comes out of their mouth is the official story, almost word for word, which they have processed into the illusion of their own opinion and their own conclusion.
	Now, these are all traits of Wotiko.
	And how does this work?
	Wetiko is, and this is all part of how do we get out of here.
	Wetiko is a band of frequency.
	It's a very low, dense band of frequency, which resonates to the frequencies of fear and all the emotional, low vibration, emotional states around fear.
	Anxiety, depression, anxiety.
	Resentment.
	All these low vibrational emotional states.
	And every thought and every emotion that we feel and we think It goes out as a frequency.
	You know, fear is a dense, low, slow frequency.
	When people are in fear and anxiety, they say, oh, I feel so heavy today.
	Yes, because that's what those low, slow frequencies do to your energetic field.
	When people feel joy and love, they say, oh, I feel so light today.
	Yeah, because they're fast frequencies and fast wavelengths.
	So therefore, they impact upon your field in a completely different way.
	So the point of Wetiko is to draw human consciousness into low vibrational states so that that Attachment, that assimilation can take place.
	And once it does, and the COVID era has, of course, created enormous amounts of fear and trauma with relation to it.
	I mean, the trauma that this COVID era has created.
	You know, people just screaming if someone gets too close to them in a supermarket aisle.
	I mean, That so many have been attached to Wotiko by the fear and the trauma of the COVID hoax.
	And what this does is it shuts them down.
	Wotiko is not going to, once it's got influence, and what it does, it attaches to the lower levels of the subconscious, just beyond the five senses.
	And it puts its perceptual traits into that subconscious level.
	And then they filter through to the five-sense conscious mind.
	And at that point, going back to what I said a few minutes ago, that point people think they're having their own thoughts and their own emotional reactions, when actually they've been implanted and they're coming through from the subconscious.
	So... Wetiko is not going to influence those that it attaches to, to make them think about questioning anything, about questioning what they're told.
	That's the last thing it wants.
	And so people simply stop processing information.
	They become like a software program.
	They just take downloads from statements and what have you, and it becomes their reality.
	And this is another point.
	We've all noticed that when people challenge the COVID narrative, they might be the only person in their family, for instance, that does it.
	The family in this era don't just respond with, we don't agree with you.
	It's vicious in their response.
	And they cut them off.
	And they ostracized them.
	I saw an interview with a doctor recently.
	The doctor said, you know, I was questioning the elements of the narrative.
	My family just shut me out.
	Cut me off. And this is not rational.
	This is not sanity.
	But if you are caught in this Watiko frequency, then it's going to want this intensely aggressive reaction to those that are pushing back, that are questioning its narrative, its agenda.
	So, awakening people, what's the difference?
	It's their state of frequency.
	This Wotiko is a very low band of frequency.
	And if your heart is open to any extent, if your mind is open to any extent, Then you are operating on a frequency that's beyond the Wotiko frequency.
	And what we're seeing in the COVID era is this incredibly blatant, it's always been there, but now more blatant than ever, this division between what I would call the Wotiko and those that are awakening to beyond its frequency boundary, its frequency layer.
	And the perceptions of these two groups is so massively different now.
	Because one is basically channeling Watiko in terms of its perception.
	And the other one is processing its perceptions from a much higher level of perception.
	Of consciousness.
	And you're seeing this difference.
	And this Wotiko, all the way through human history, you've seen this same recurring theme.
	That there is a force, a negative force, which is trying to manipulate the perceptions of humanity.
	Everywhere you look, you find it.
	And the Cree call it Wotiko, but that's the name I use.
	No, David, I remember interviewing Jonathan Hammond who wrote a book called The Shaman's Way, I think it was.
	The Shaman's Mind. The Shaman's Mind.
	And they talked about Wetiko and that too.
	And it's interesting because they even called it a virus or a parasite of the mind.
	And I'm just pulling up parts here because as you're talking, it says it's born out of our disconnection from the natural world and operates by covert infestation of the human psyche, compelling us through toxic selfishness to act against our own best interests.
	It goes on to lots of different pieces.
	But one thing that I thought was really fascinating is that the way out is to name it.
	And so it makes me think about why...
	I mean, this is sort of...
	I've got a couple questions that came up from everything you said.
	But one thing... That's really interesting what you've just said.
	I'll say something about that in a second.
	So, yeah, but I thought that was fascinating.
	It's like the way out is to name it.
	You have to be able to name it.
	To name it, yeah. Why?
	Because Watiko operates in the human subconscious, like I said earlier.
	Once you make it conscious...
	It loses its power.
	It's exactly the same as subliminal advertising and subliminal images.
	I put a subliminal image in one of my books as an example of this.
	And it's about four plants next to each other, growing next to each other.
	And you say to people, there's a subliminal image in that picture.
	And people look and, oh no, I can't see anything.
	And then you point out that in the white bits between the plants, it clearly says the word sex.
	And they go, oh god, did you see that?
	Now here's the point.
	From that moment on, every time they look at that picture, the subliminal sex is the first thing they see.
	Because they brought it out of the subconscious into the conscious, and therefore it loses its power.
	And that's why I absolutely agree.
	It's naming it.
	It's just a way of saying acknowledge its existence and it loses its power over you because it's in the subliminal, the subconscious, that Watiko operates because it wants you to believe that That your thoughts and your opinions are your thoughts and opinions.
	It doesn't want you to realize that actually they're being fed to you.
	Because then you can see the situation you're in and start to take some control over it.
	That message overlaps with so many different things.
	It's exactly this time of great awakening that we're in and we're seeing all this turmoil and all this horrid details of MKUltra, of programming, of How Hollywood has been of adrenochrome of dumbs and I mean we personally have only stumbled across all this information for the past year and a half and and when we talk about naming it or we even look at the phrase the great awakening is that not then what we're what we're speaking to we're naming the The Wetiko, so therefore it no longer holds that power over us.
	It's no longer operating in the subconscious.
	We see it clearly for what it is and now we're ready to set it aside and say no more.
	Yeah, I mean the point about Wetiko is that it's a village idiot, right?
	It's not an all-powerful force.
	It's a village idiot, and it needs to be perceived on that basis.
	And therefore, as it plays through the system and is personified in the people running the system and driving the system, that's why you see so many village idiots running the system.
	You know, because they're expressions of Wotiko.
	How does Wotiko work?
	Well, it's the one-eyed man.
	And so for the one-eyed man to dominate the kingdom of the blind...
	It has to make its target population blind.
	And so you have society structured specifically to keep the population in ignorance.
	And not least about the nature of reality and the true nature of the eternal I. They don't want us to know that.
	They don't want us to know how our perceptions through a process of Attraction, like frequency attraction, our perceptions become our experience.
	A little me perception becomes a little me experience.
	Not because you have to be little me, but your perception is your little me, so you live a life of little me.
	So they don't want us to know that our perceptions create our reality, because they want to control our perceptions and thus create our reality without us knowing that's going on.
	And so we live in two worlds, in the same world.
	You've got the world of the population, which is systematically kept in ignorance.
	This is why the education system is an inversion.
	Of education. This is why everywhere you look, the health system is an inversion of a health system.
	It's all inversion.
	You look around, it's Wotiko inversion, the whole of human society.
	Madness. But it's to keep people in ignorance.
	And then there's this other world of what I call the global cult, which is this global network of secret societies and semi-secret groups and satanic groups deeply...
	Satanic groups. And they are fiercely compartmentalised.
	So most Freemasons won't have a clue what's going on.
	Won't have a bloody clue.
	They might do a bit of manipulation down the local lodge, get a bit of business for their shop or store or whatever.
	They won't have a clue what's going on.
	Only the inner core really knows.
	It's all fiercely compartmentalized.
	And there's two things that this compartmentalized network is hiding from the population.
	One, where they're taking the world and why, and the techniques they use to do it, which have been exposed in my books for decades.
	The other one, and this is the key one, The nature of reality and the nature of the true eye.
	That has to be kept from the population.
	Because that's going to set them free.
	And so, because they pass on this knowledge of how reality works, how we interact with them, what reality is, not a physical world at all.
	They pass it on through the upper levels of this network from generation to generation.
	And they're using the way that reality works, not least psychologically, to impose their agenda on the population.
	What they don't want is the population to know that This is how reality works.
	And so they created, I've written about this in some of my books, they created mainstream science to shut off any perception of eternal life, any perception that we are just one expression, one level of our consciousness, which is multi-leveled.
	And to any idea that life goes on after death.
	And then academia has been brought into this.
	So academia basically tells the same story as mainstream science.
	They're just different expressions of each other.
	And the idea is that...
	People are kept in ignorance of how they interact with reality and how they can control reality, how they can start living life instead of life living them in their ignorance of how reality works.
	And also that they do what?
	They fear death.
	They fear death because death is an unknown to them.
	People fear that the lights go out and that's it.
	Or they may fear that some judgmental God is going to judge them.
	Like some Chinese surveillance system.
	God is always making lists.
	Watching you. What's going to happen when I die?
	And the fear of death, like we talked about earlier, is one of the great controlling mechanisms in human society.
	When you look through history, when I remember talking to the great Zulu shaman Credo Mutwa, who was describing to me that when the British moved in on South Africa with people like Cecil Rhodes, a Rothschild frontman, that in his words, they milked the minds of the shaman and then killed him.
	Because they didn't want that knowledge to go on influencing people, the knowledge of how reality is.
	They wanted to shut that down and create basically a closed world where you are...
	Pressured to believe, certainly through the mainstream scientific and academic sources, that you're born by accident.
	You have a few seconds or 100 years in some meaningless existence, and then the lights go out.
	And so that has a traumatizing effect on people that believe that.
	So this is why...
	Bringing to the surface the nature of reality, the nature of the eye, the eternal nature of life, the fact that this tiny band of frequency that we call the human world, that's what it is, this tiny band of frequency, ridiculously narrow, actually, especially the visible part of it, visible light, that this is not what the rest of infinity is like.
	The rest of infinity is dominated by love, by joy, by happiness.
	Yes, there are pockets like this one of what we call evil, but they're rare out there.
	This is not how life is.
	We are caught in something that is not like most of the rest of infinity.
	Most of the rest of infinite possibility, infinite potential.
	And so we shouldn't confuse life per se with life in this little band of frequency we call the world.
	And talking about, you know, this awakening, When the top of my head blew off in 1990, and I had my colossal awakening, which was very traumatic, and of course was done in the public eye with enormous amounts of ridicule, because I was well known in Britain as a television presenter.
	I met a number of psychics and apart from one, the one I went to first of all to try to get a grip on or a grasp on why I was feeling that there was some presence around me constantly.
	She was the only one I went to see by choice.
	The others I... met by synchronicity.
	And there was this common theme that, you know, we've been asked to tell you this, and it was that a vibrational change was coming that was going to act like a spiritual alarm clock and was going to wake people up from their coma.
	The most awake would be Affected first and then more and more deeply asleep people at that time were going to be affected.
	And this would have two major effects.
	One, people would...
	Would awaken to see that the world's not like they thought it was, and also that they were more than they believed they were.
	But the other side of it was something you mentioned a few minutes ago.
	It was that this vibrational change was going to bring to the surface all that had been hidden, so we could see it.
	And when I was being told this in 1990, there was, of course, no evidence of this whatsoever.
	I dubbed this vibrational change because of that.
	Truth Vibrations is the name of the first book I ever wrote since after my head blew off in 1990.
	And two things.
	First of all, in 1990, there was no sign of an awakening.
	And there was no sign that all had been hidden, that had been hidden, was being brought to the surface.
	But 31 years later, as you look at the world, I mean, it's obvious that vast...
	I know I've been a barometer of it.
	I know what it was like trying to get this information across in the 1990s.
	I mean, you know, you couldn't fill a phone booth.
	You really couldn't. I mean, you know, I've spoken to some monumental rows of chairs with no one in them.
	Oh, many times.
	I went to a theatre in Scotland once and there were about 325 seats, I remember, and about half of the first row was full and that was it.
	Nobody else. Well, bless you for your fortitude.
	Chairs all night, you know, and you just do it.
	You just go into another space.
	But it's not the case now.
	The awakening has been enormous.
	And, you know, people look at it, maybe just starting to go through this process.
	And they say, you know, it's not happening fast enough.
	Why aren't more people waking up?
	And you go, you should have been with me in 1990, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96.
	And you would realize that what's happening now is a revolution.
	It's a revolution of awareness happening before our eyes.
	And more and more people are going to be affected.
	And even people have had the fake jab And realize they've been had, they are starting to wake up as well.
	And so, this is...
	This is a manifestation of the truth vibrations.
	We are seeing this awakening, and we're also seeing all that's been hidden, being brought to the surface.
	I mean, what we know now about how the world is manipulated and to what end that we didn't know in 1990 is unbelievable.
	And all this censorship, you see, they throw me off YouTube, and I'll yawn.
	But... All this censorship is not a manifestation of wotiko power.
	It's a manifestation of its weakness.
	It's a manifestation of its vulnerability.
	Because it knows that its narrative, and when I say wotiko, I mean in its different expressions through gates and all these people, they know that the narrative cannot stand up to the mildest scrutiny.
	And therefore they have to stop that scrutiny or try.
	But even so, you know, it's happening.
	They've thrown me off Facebook, they've thrown me off YouTube, they've thrown me off Twitter, they've thrown me off loads of things, Spotify, all of it.
	But I'm still getting the message out.
	This truth vibration phenomenon is not stoppable.
	By an inverted village idiot state of consciousness.
	And, you know, the more people that open their heart and impact upon this field that connects everything with high vibrational energy...
	No question, this high vibrational energy frequency, the truth vibrations, is being infused into the field, into this human world field.
	It is. And in many ways, what we're looking at is not, although it seems like that, the Wetiko global cult going for its endgame.
	It seems like that.
	But what we're seeing is the last desperate throw.
	Of a force that's been manipulating from the peripheral, from the subconscious, all this time.
	And it's now being brought to the conscious awareness.
	Because, see, everything is a reflection of everything else.
	Whatever's happening in the realm of consciousness expresses itself in the world of holographic, illusory physical reality.
	As Wotiko comes out of the subconscious and is put into the conscious, that's what my books have been doing all these years.
	I'm not calling it Wotiko, but I've been putting the Wotiko agenda into the public domain, bringing it out of the subconscious into the conscious.
	And at the same time, in the COVID era, what's happened?
	That which has been manipulating from the shadows has entered the room where we can see it.
	It's become obvious to more and more people because when you're reaching what you think is your endgame, big disappointment coming, There's a point where you have to break the surface.
	Because you can't change society without actually changing society.
	You can prepare for it, and you can manipulate it, and you can move things along step by step.
	But when you want to bring about your great transformation, what they call the great reset...
	Then you have to put it on public display.
	Otherwise, society is not going to change.
	And so what we've seen in the COVID era is this tremendous change in human society.
	And because of the nature and the scale of the change, people have been able to see it.
	You can't ignore the fact the world today is not like it was in 2019.
	So as Wutiko has been brought to the conscious mind, so Watiko has entered the room as an expression of that Exposure from the subconscious to the conscious.
	And, you know, it's going to throw everything at us.
	All the people that are pushing back that won't have the fake jab because they've got a mind of their own and are willing to do a bit of a modicum of research and retain their self-respect as a result.
	They're going to be targeted like crazy in the next two years, two and a half years.
	But on the other side of that, this is coming down.
	It's coming down.
	We're not only going to stop the endgame.
	We are going to see the removal of Wetiko from this field.
	Because once love is infused into the field on the scale that's coming, then Wetiko can't stay here.
	Love to Wetiko is like...
	Garlic to a vampire.
	And Wotiko has basically two choices.
	One, it can get the hell out of here because it can't operate in that frequency environment that's coming.
	And the other thing it can do is absorb itself into that frequency and cease to be Wotiko.
	But to become high-frequency awareness instead.
	Because everything's an expression of the infinite, including Watiko.
	It's just in a different vibrational perceptual state.
	And so...
	I'm not the pessimist.
	Oh, he's the prophet of doom.
	Actually, I'm not. It's going to be alright.
	It's going to be alright.
	But we've got to help this process by having some background and refusing to acquiesce to evil and to fascism.
	Because the one thing that's guaranteed...
	If you acquiesce to evil, the absence of love, and to fascism, you'll get evil and fascism.
	That's a guarantee. The way you don't get it is by refusing to cooperate with it and to be absorbed into it.
	David, one of the questions that I wanted to ask you, I agree, I feel like consciousness is at the key of everything.
	One of my main mentors for so long was Dr.
	David Hawkins, and he spoke prolifically around the map of consciousness and all the different layers, and that's basically the lens that you see the world through.
	The thing that I struggle with is Because I do feel like there's an aspect of this where it's like you hit a certain frequency, you just see things differently.
	Certain awarenesses are there or they're not.
	But even over this last year and a half or two years, I mean, I've been astounded at even people that I would say would be thought of as being quite...
	Quite spiritually conscious or even on the process of enlightenment or something that still don't seem to see things in the same clarity that, say, I see it or you see it or other people.
	And I'm almost wondering, like, what...
	What is that? Because some of these people have preached around the concept of love and peace and heart-based living and stuff like that for a long time, yet I feel like there's still this missing link somewhere.
	And I'm like, it's almost like enlightenment and this are still sort of these different paths in some sort.
	So what is your take on that?
	Because you must have sort of I mean, sometimes I look at what's going on in the world and I think, like, how does that...
	I'm just so surprised sometimes at what people's perspectives are.
	Well, when I had my Colossal Awakening in February 1991, and it was built up all the way through 1990, my first port of call...
	In those days, was what was called the New Age Movement.
	And so I started going to events relating to that, trying to understand what was happening to me.
	And as I observed it, it seemed to me that what spirituality is used for so often is escapism.
	It's a way of finding an excuse not to face what you don't want to face.
	So when I started moving into the whole conspiracy arena around 92, 93, it was the New Ageers that were saying, you shouldn't say that.
	It's negative. It frightened people.
	And I thought, are you talking about people?
	Are you talking about yourself? Because if you're telling me through your new ageism that we have to let go of fear, why are you saying that people would be frightened?
	Surely, if you let go of fear, they wouldn't be frightened.
	We go back to what I said earlier about whether the information frightens you or whether it empowers you.
	It's simply the way you receive it.
	When I found out all this information, I didn't like it.
	I've uncovered what's happening in pedophilia and satanism.
	I mean, absolutely horrific.
	But it didn't frighten me.
	It empowered me because I thought, well, I know more now about what's going on and therefore that's empowered me in many ways.
	Or you can meet it with fear.
	And fear just wants to shut down.
	It doesn't want to face what it fears.
	And if you're in that kind of spiritual arena, nor does it want to face the fact that it is fearful, because it's let go of fear, right?
	And so you have this element of the spiritual arena, and I've observed it for 30 years, that it doesn't want to face reality.
	It wants its spirituality to be its form of escape from facing reality.
	And for me...
	Awakening spiritually is to empower you to make a difference, not to use it as a means of running away.
	And so what I think is happening with a lot of people in the spiritual arena is they'll go along with all the jargon and they'll go along with all the The lines of, this is what you believe if you are spiritual.
	But they don't want to face reality.
	And so they shut it off.
	And they'll tell you, you shouldn't be talking about that.
	It's negative and all that stuff.
	Well, what they mean is, I don't want to face it.
	And love, this reality, Incredible state of being that holds infinity together.
	And, you know, the levels of love that operate beyond this human-manipulated world are just staggering.
	Humanity in its experiential state has no clue what love is.
	It... It equates love with physical attraction, for instance.
	That can be part of love, but in and of itself, physical attraction is not love in and of itself.
	It's physical attraction.
	David, sorry to interrupt, but speaking of love, we have a surprise guest just popping in right now that was able to join us after all.
	If you're okay for just a...
	There we go. The beautiful Kathy O'Brien.
	Wow! How are you doing?
	Oh my gosh, it's good seeing you.
	Good, mate. This is the first time we've been on a show, isn't it, together?
	A long, long time.
	Yeah, eye to eye. Yeah, many, many years.
	And I wanted to jump on here and just say, wow, your new book.
	Perceptions of a renegade mind.
	It's so powerful.
	It's so excellent. It's so good.
	And it sums up exactly what the whole world is really just needing right now.
	Typical of you.
	Well, that's very kind.
	But, you know, my admiration for you knows no bounds after not only what you experience, but how you've...
	How you've exposed what happened and the scale of what is happening, but also empowered so many other people to step out and speak out as well.
	Your example is just amazing.
	I definitely appreciate it.
	I think what the whole world is facing right now is MKUltra mind control.
	of the masses and it was planned and it's something i was exposed to from personal experience under for 30 years under mk ultra mind control and having been around these perpetrators that were hell-bent on mind controlling the masses For their New World Order slave society agenda.
	It's so easy for me to see what's going on.
	And because I have healed from mind control, because it is possible to reclaim free thought, free will, strength of spirit, and live love, which is the most powerful force in the universe, I also see that happening.
	I see a great awakening happening.
	People are absolutely...
	Tired of letting a handful of low vibration domineering criminals Mess with our brilliant minds any longer.
	And they're starting to say no.
	Just like your book said, all we need is just a collective no.
	It doesn't have to be a shout.
	We just have to mean it.
	No more. They cannot dominate us anymore.
	They can't rule over us anymore.
	They can't tell us how to live our lives when we can take a breath of air to get enough oxygen to our brain for free thought.
	No, there's... The great awakening is happening there too and I'm so grateful you've been out there all these years planting the seeds of truth so that this awakening could happen.
	You have just been right there non-stop all along.
	I had a passion for getting it out because of my life's experience among them and needing to help my daughter and there you were with just a brilliant Capacity to have eyes to see, ears to hear, and soul to know the truth and share it with others.
	You planted seeds that have absolutely blossomed now.
	And I think that's just making all the difference in the world.
	And I'm just so grateful to you, and I love you so much.
	I love you too.
	Yeah, and you know, I do think that a big team of souls has come into this reality at this point to make this transformation and you know like yourself and me in a different way we've been through some traumatic challenging experiences which have not only made us stronger but have enlightened us about so much That we can now use to aid this transformation.
	You know, here we are facing what seems to be an impossible situation.
	And I've never been more optimistic in my life that this is going down.
	And much quicker than people think.
	Exactly what I'm seeing.
	People wonder why I smile or how I can smile after all I've been through and all that's going on in the world is because I know a higher truth.
	I have clarity of vision.
	I can see above the storm, beyond the darkness that they're trying to impose.
	I am love, I am light, and their darkness is not going to creep in on me and blind me to the reality of This pivotal moment in time where humanity is taking a quantum leap into evolution to be able to safeguard our free thought going forward and to live life's purpose in an expression of gratitude that It's like everybody just took their free thought and their free will for granted.
	They took their freedoms for granted and it's not to be taken for granted.
	It's to be treasured and it's to be vigilantly protected, especially in our children.
	So we've got to step up to the plate for our children's sake.
	Take masks off them so they get sufficient oxygen to their brain for proper brain development and free thought.
	Stop the fear, the fear-mongering, because fear is a basis of mind control.
	Fear is the primary way that they have of controlling the masses.
	Truth freezes from fear, which is why there's so much censorship on truth.
	Why you and I have endured that for 30-something years, you know, this...
	This bombardment of censorship on the truth that we're bringing to light because they're scared of that truth.
	They know it frees people from fear.
	They're scared of the strength of the human spirit and the power of love.
	Those are things they can't overcome.
	Those are things that they can't control.
	The only thing they can control is our expression of it through mind control.
	And by understanding What is being done to us.
	Knowledge is our defense against mind control and once we free ourselves from it, it's game over.
	We win. Love always wins.
	Another thing about love is that I was saying just before you came on that Humanity mistakes love in its true sense often for just the attraction.
	You're attracted to someone.
	I love you. But if it's only attraction, then that That relationship, if you like, has got a limited period, because the attraction may well wane, and there's nothing left.
	But when you love somebody from your heart, in the unconditional, in the infinite sense of love, which has been so degraded, we have to put words in front of love like unconditional love.
	Then that love never dies because it can't.
	And the thing about love, and you'll know this as well as anyone, is when you're in a state of love, you can't fear because love doesn't fear.
	Love is a state that is without fear.
	And so it's not that, you know, oh, love's weak, you know, talk about love, love's weak.
	No, love is the ultimate power.
	It's the ultimate strength. And if you open your heart and connect, because that's what connects you to the massive out there, with all its wisdom, all its insight, all its intuitive knowing, then you're not going to be intimidated by some little jerk in a dark suit or some guy in a...
	You know, a doctor's gown or whatever.
	You're not going to be intimidated by these people.
	You're not intimidated by politicians.
	You're going to do what you know to be right, because that's what love does.
	It does what it knows to be right.
	I mean, you came from this point of love, and you've done what you knew to be right, irrespective of all the shite that was thrown your way, as I know it has been.
	And it's the same with me.
	You know, you do what you know to be right, because it's this love that drives you.
	And, you know, I've been connected to out there since my head blew off in 1990.
	And it's got more and more powerful and more and more tangible.
	And, you know, a point you made a few minutes ago, what's coming to me all the time is this cabal is terrified.
	Don't let's get caught in the idea that it's omnipotent power.
	It is terrified of humanity waking up because it's game over and it knows it's game over once people wake up.
	Why? Because they move beyond its frequency of influence.
	David, one thing that I was wondering too, because you had said this in the video that Cathy sent to us.
	Wonderful to see you, Cathy. I know, so great to have you back.
	And I know we're getting on time for you too, David, but I wanted to ask a specific question here because it ties very much with what you were just talking about with love.
	It seems to me that one of the most important parts when we connect to that frequency is that ability then to be our unique self without permission from anyone, and I would say even without apology.
	So if we collectively Are able to move towards that.
	That to me seems like that's what's gonna make the biggest transition on everything.
	That's what's gonna dissolve everything.
	How do people...
	Connect to that more wholeheartedly, because it seems like this mix of that they don't even know who their unique self is.
	You know, there's this stripping away of all of the programs that need to take place to even authentically land in who our true self really is.
	Otherwise, I feel like we're just operating from this conditioned self.
	How do you keep arriving more and more at that place?
	Well, individuality is crucial.
	I think there's so many misconceptions in the so-called spiritual arena.
	We're all connected.
	We're all one. We're all fish swimming in the same sea.
	We are connected by this ocean of consciousness that connects all things.
	But that doesn't mean we are one blob.
	This field of consciousness is all possibility.
	It's all potential.
	To celebrate your uniqueness is to celebrate the oneness of everything.
	And so we may be all connected, yes, but we are unique points of attention within that connected awareness.
	And we need to celebrate that uniqueness of self.
	And if you want to know what the answers are, then always look for what the cabal wants to impose.
	And what is the masking of the humanity?
	It's creating one blob, faceless, blob of consciousness or lack of consciousness that can be collectively controlled.
	Individuality can't be controlled.
	You know, you read some of the writings of this cabal and I remember reading one line, what they were terrified of and what they thought could bring them down was maverick people Maverick people.
	Who are maverick people? People that celebrate their uniqueness.
	You know you're part of a great whole.
	You know that we're all ultimately each other, but we are unique expressions of it.
	And so when you express that uniqueness, it's very much like if you...
	If you look at any tyranny, take communism.
	It wants to make everything uniform.
	It wants to make everything the same.
	Because then it can be centrally controlled.
	It's like, you know, say a world government.
	So you centrally control the world.
	And everything is run in the same way.
	Individuality is the antidote to that.
	Because individuality means everyone's different.
	And if everyone's different, you can't control from a central point all that mass of individual difference.
	You can only control uniformity from a central point.
	So this celebrating of your uniqueness is absolutely vital.
	And the acknowledgement of your uniqueness.
	And I think another area of this, you know, people say, how do we awaken?
	But I do feel, and again, as I've observed the spiritual movement this last 30 years, that the process is far simpler than it's made out.
	You know, I've never been on a quest.
	I'm not knocking it. I mean, you know, do it.
	Do it if you feel to. But I've never been on a quest and I've never done this and I've never done any of it.
	What transformed my perception, what transformed my life, was a simple transformation of self-identity.
	That was it. Self-identity.
	What this cabal wants us to do is to self-identify the I, the infinite I, or even better, that it's not an infinite I, with the labels of a human life.
	So they want you to self-identify who you are with, I am a man, I am a woman, I am this race, I'm that race, I'm this religion, I'm this sexuality, and so on.
	That is not who we are.
	That is what we are experiencing in a brief sojourn into this frequency band we call the human world.
	And if you self-identify with the labels which are experiences, not you, You are identifying immediately with the world only of the five senses and the world of limitation, of I can't.
	Because to the five senses, things look impossible.
	And to the five senses, everything looks apart from everything else because the five senses can only basically perceive visually what we call form, what we call objects.
	And so the five senses look at the world and they see objects and form and they see empty space in between.
	But it's not empty space.
	It's the field of possibility and probability of consciousness that connects everything.
	Five senses can't see that.
	So the cabal wants people focused in the five senses because immediately you're only seeing a world of apartness, of everything's apart from everything else.
	And if you look at this woke mentality, which is all generated and funded by this cabal and the billionaires involved in it, What they've been doing is manipulating, particularly the young, to subdivide the original labels Into the minuti of sub-labels.
	So now we have this long list of letters, LGBT, and it goes on and on and on.
	So many letters they're now using in some of these universities, where people are encouraged to self-identify the I with the minuti of sexual preference.
	Ah, what?
	And so every time you step down to a smaller minute tie of self-identity, you're stepping down and away from the true identity, which is consciousness.
	And so this is the realm.
	This is the five sense realm.
	This is where they want to isolate us.
	This is what AI connected to the human brain is about.
	It's isolating in the five senses.
	It's... The opposite of that, the awakening process, what awakens us, and what awoke me, was not all the minutiae again of the spiritual process.
	It was a simple thing.
	I stopped identifying the I with David Icke.
	David Icke is not the I. It is a name for an experience that That my consciousness, true I, is currently having.
	And so, David Icke is my experience.
	I am the consciousness having that experience.
	And as you expand your self-identity from little me labels of a human life to I am consciousness, ultimately all consciousness, having an experience...
	That self-identity expansion automatically expands your awareness into deeper and deeper levels of this field.
	So you access more and more insight, awareness, intuitive knowing.
	And this is why when people go through the awakening process, they find incredible synchronicity starts to kick into their lives.
	Their lives start to become an experience of fancy seeing you here.
	My God, what's the chances of that?
	Why? Because they've gone from the myopia of five sense perception And expanded to access more and more and more of this field of potential and possibility, and thus they are able to manifest that as a life experience.
	In which the possibility and the potential of their life expands.
	And suddenly they start experiencing things that weren't happening before.
	For instance, people say, why didn't I see it?
	It's so obvious. Yeah, but you were in that state before.
	Of course you're not going to see it.
	Now you're in this. Now you're going to see it.
	And I've got this synchronicity in my life.
	Amazing coincidences keep happening.
	Yes! Because you're accessing more and more potential and possibility in the field.
	And thus you're able to manifest that as a life experience.
	So your life transforms. Like I said earlier, life stops living you and you start living life.
	And life becomes an adventure and not something to get through another day.
	The difference between a little me, I've got no power, and I have all the power I choose to manifest is simply perception.
	It's all it is, perception.
	And that's why the stadium in which human control takes place, mind control is massively part of that, is control of perception.
	It is. It's so brilliantly said.
	It is absolutely that.
	And they want us to perceive that they have all the power.
	And it's just an illusion.
	They only have as much power as we let them steal.
	And it's time for us to come into our own power, to realize the love that we are, and to take in all these amazing experiences that life has to offer when we start living that.
	Because The answers are within us.
	If we look outside ourselves, whether it's through churches or any place else, we're going to be led astray.
	The answers are within.
	We need to go within and find our own truth.
	And once we attach to that and realize it, that's when we can start moving forward.
	In my personal experience, I just wrote an article on this the other day about living the love you are, where My daughter's situation was so dire and I was still in healing mode and she was already caught up in the system that the tentacles that extended out of the Washington DC swamp into so-called child protective services where they got hold of her again.
	And I was so devastated.
	I was writing out memory.
	I was deprogramming.
	I was going as fast as I could.
	That happened. The FBI came in and testified against my mind-controlled traffic daughter.
	I cried. National security was invoked on the case.
	I cried. I cried so much.
	And I found that I was only drowning in my tears.
	And the more I cried, the more they loved it.
	The more I cried, the more immobilized I became.
	While my daughter's circumstance was continuing, I needed to be able to pull out of that and to be able to help her.
	And the way I found That was like this epiphany of, no, they are not going to take any more of my energy.
	They feed off a fear.
	They feed off a trauma.
	They feed off a negativity.
	They feed off a hate, bitterness, anything.
	I dropped it off.
	It's like, no, they're not getting any more of that from me.
	I am going to live the love I am.
	And I'm going to start making a difference for my daughter out of love for my daughter.
	Out of love for humanity.
	Out of love for the beauty that I have found that does happen when we are living on that consciousness level where the coincidences line up and all the synchronicities and life unfolds in the most beautiful way.
	As soon as I realized that, that all kicked in.
	When that kicked in, I started winning.
	When I started realizing that love is the most powerful force is when everything turned and I started being able to heal more, rapidly reclaim my free thought, free will, soul expression, start making a difference, start speaking out, raise awareness on my daughter's circumstance.
	And it's something that I am not going to ever let go of.
	When Mark passed away in 2017, I lost my soulmate, I lost my best friend, I lost my love, the one I shared life's purpose with, just the one who saved my life and my daughters and gave me the keys to my own mind.
	I mean, it was just, it was everything, and it would have been so easy to just cave in at that time.
	And I became aware that as I was closing and closing in, I was going to miss opportunity.
	I was going to miss potential.
	I was going to miss purpose again.
	And I needed to expand back out of that, just like I did when my daughter was taken political prisoner.
	And to be able to see my way through.
	I consciously, the shoulders back, head up, eyes open, heart open, and I'm going to keep living the love I am.
	Keep living that love and raising awareness out of love for humanity.
	Keep raising awareness out of love for my daughter, all others like her who still don't have voice, all those who are being trafficked, all those who need The light in their life to help them come through the darkness.
	So it's a conscious choice that I make.
	I don't allow negativity to start coming in.
	That's not my vibration.
	That's not who I am. As soon as I start to fear, I choose my own thoughts.
	I choose not to go down that rabbit hole because as soon as I start going down it and, you know, caving into the fear and everything that we're being bombarded with all the time, then everything turns black and starts going into like a big black hole in negativity.
	And like, no, I'm not even going to start that.
	That slippery slope is not going to start with me.
	That is not my vibration.
	I'm not going there. I am going to keep a higher view, keep a higher vibration and see my way through this and help others to realize how simple it is.
	To reclaim your own identity, who you are, your individual being, the life that you're meant to live, the love that we are, the base energy, the beauty of all that life is.
	Because as soon as everyone realizes that this nightmare we're in is over, Everybody wakes up from it and it's gone.
	They only have as much power as we let them steal.
	Don't generate that negativity.
	Don't generate that fear.
	Rise above it and start making a difference where you can.
	Because once you realize what's going on and you gather that strength of spirit, you can start affecting the society around you, your local communities.
	Make sure that The children are protected in your area, the education system, how children are educated.
	If we restructure the whole system all together, great!
	I've always said the best thing we can do is, you know, humanity for president or humanity for whatever government that we happen to have, because we need to govern ourselves.
	We need to govern our own thoughts.
	And we need to start living life's purpose the way that it's intended because it's so much simpler and so much easier than what's being imposed on us now.
	And this is definitely what I find happening, especially a lot in our communities out here now, is I've never seen such a bigger push for things like people wanting to create their own pods for school systems and for homeschooling.
	And I know we've got a four and a five-year-old, so it's like we're In a community now where we're looking at all the different options around bringing kids together, creating a new curriculum that we think is really important that's based more in nature and a lot of these different principles.
	And it's like there's a lot of families that are wanting that same sort of thing.
	So there's an excitement because people are now getting the opportunity to actually start to create something that they actually really want.
	And I don't think anybody's questioned it.
	So much up until this past while.
	And now that it's been questioned, now you can start to think about new solutions.
	What Cathy just said was fantastic, by the way.
	Absolutely magnificent.
	And, you know, we started off talking about trauma, and that's kind of it weaved through it.
	But, you know, it is so much simpler than people realize.
	The energy that is love is the balance of all things.
	Wherever love is infused, balance is manifested.
	If you infuse love into evil, it becomes balanced, it becomes not evil anymore.
	Because evil is the absence of love, you infuse love, evil cannot exist.
	And so much trauma that people have in their energy field and have in their memories, an infusion of the energy of love can break up those eddies of distortion in the energetic field that trauma brings and balance it all out.
	And as it's balanced out, the trauma is also balanced out.
	Love is the answer.
	Love is the answer to everything.
	And it's...
	It's been lost in the academic mind and the scientific mind.
	The left brain intellect, which is compared with the consciousness of love, is a village idiot again.
	Where everything has to be complex.
	Academia can only perceive that answers to the big questions have to be complex.
	Scientists too.
	If it's not complex, it can't be credible.
	And yet for me, genius is not understanding the complex.
	It's seeing the simple hidden by the apparently complex.
	And love changes everything.
	Love is all.
	You can't get more simple than that.
	And it just happens to be the truth.
	And I think what you had mentioned earlier is that love has been so flipped around.
	I mean, this is part of the problem is I think when people think about connecting to love, when people think about connecting to love, I feel like love has become this...
	Wishy-washy kind of passivity place.
	And that's not what we're talking about.
	When we're talking about real love, pure love, there is a fierceness.
	There's a strong boundaries around love.
	Love will always do what it knows to be right.
	And because love is without fear, there is no suppression of love doing what it knows to be right.
	So for instance, when I'm deciding what I'm going to do, I don't list the potential consequences of doing it.
	Because to list the consequences is to conceive that I wouldn't do it.
	But that's unthinkable to love.
	You do what you know to be right.
	And the consequences will take care of the bloody selves.
	And they mostly don't manifest as you thought they would anyway, if you make your list.
	So it's the ultimate power, because it's without fear.
	And if you're without fear, then this cabal has no power over you at all, because fear is its weapon.
	And, you know...
	The whole basis of the way out of here is to go into the heart, go into the heart vortex, which connects you to out there anyway, because out there is love.
	So why wouldn't you opening your heart and projecting the frequency of love connect you to out there?
	It's a cause and effect.
	It has to happen. And so the Kabbalah wants to shut people's hearts down, because they don't want that connection.
	They want to isolate you in the five senses, where they control the information the five senses receive, and thus they control the perception, which controls the behavior, which controls the world.
	Open the heart, you break the circuit.
	You break the circuit every time.
	And it's a simple truth, but it is the truth.
	And you know, Martin Luther King said many...
	Great things. One of the things he said, he was 38 at the time, and he said, if you are 38 years old and you face or you are given the chance to stand for some great cause, for some great meaningful movement, and you choose not to do so because you fear the consequences.
	It's a longer quote, but I'm summarizing.
	Then you may go on to live until you're 90.
	But the cessation of your body at 90 will only be the confirmation of the death of your spirit at 38.
	Because when you don't stand up for a cause you know to be right...
	Something dies in you.
	And one of the things that dies in you is self-respect.
	Self-respect has brought down every tyranny in human history.
	Because it's the self-respect that says, no, I'm not doing it!
	And once you concede self-respect, only submission remains.
	And what they're trying to do, this is all part of the mind control and the psychological manipulation, is to get humanity to hand over its self-respect.
	And it's doing it in one way, by making its policies and its strategies so blatantly nonsensical, so blatantly contradictory, blatantly making no sense.
	Because it knows that if it lets you see the nonsense, the contradictions, and the nonsense, and you still do it, then you have conceded your self-respect.
	And so anyone that wants to retain that says, no, I'm not doing it.
	I've not worn a mask since this started.
	I'll die first.
	Happily. I've not social distanced.
	I've not stayed in my home when I wanted to go out.
	I've not done any of it.
	I've not even had the temperature taken.
	I will not do it.
	And, you know, no means no.
	And I hear people say, well, if I don't have the jab, I won't be able to go on holiday.
	Well, don't go on bloody holiday then!
	What's more important?
	Getting sunburned on a beach in Ibiza Or your self-respect and your ongoing health.
	You just, you say no and mean it.
	And if enough people do that, then the penny drops.
	Oh my God!
	Authority never had the power in the first place, did it?
	No! Its power is that which we give to it.
	That's all it is.
	Perfect. What an awesome exercise for everybody to do to literally make a list of what you feel is the truth inside you to do and don't make a list of consequences and just see what's on the table.
	I think that's a really powerful practice.
	I really do. I love that.
	I just decide what I believe is right and I do it.
	I don't even make a list.
	I need to do this.
	I need to say this. So I'm going to do it.
	I'm going to say it. And that's it.
	That's it. I never wore a mask either.
	I've never sheltered at home.
	I've never caved into any of it.
	I've never had a COVID test.
	I've never given into any of it.
	For one, I just don't give place to it.
	But, you know, I've never had to say, like, no!
	And, you know, and had anybody even, you know, confront me in any way.
	It's no problem, because I'm smiling, and they're just so happy to see a smile that I haven't had any issue whatsoever.
	And it's like, it helps them drop their fear.
	I've seen more people remove their masks.
	And my biggest concern is what we're doing to the children, because we're teaching them fear right from the beginning, and fear is the basis of mind control, and it gives them, it gives these perpetrators who are wanting their slave society through their mind control agenda, they're wanting that to take root.
	The pedophile agenda is horrific because it was long since discovered that sexual abuse of a child creates a dissociative identity disorder that makes Makes them highly suggestible and easily led.
	When my father began sexually abusing me at infancy, I didn't judge what he did was wrong.
	My brain knew and it compartmentalized events of that trauma until I had so many neuron pathways shut down that I didn't have any continuity of thought anymore.
	No free thought of my own, no ability to think for myself.
	The pedophile agenda is a mind control agenda.
	And by them, you know, going skin deep with the divisiveness and all these labels they have for sexuality, all it is is diversion from their pedophile agenda.
	That is the effects of pedophilia.
	It causes gender confusion.
	And if you even want to call it that, it causes a whole messed up sexuality that That causes problems within the children and makes them easily led exactly what they're wanting for mind control purposes.
	We gotta stop this pedophile agenda.
	We gotta stop the divisive diversion Of labeling it all these different gender things when in fact that's not what it's about.
	It's all about mind control and knowledge is our defense against it.
	Our children are being targeted because they're the future.
	Our children are targeted in the school systems as well.
	And if we're going to have a future at all as humanity, we need to reclaim our humanity.
	We need to reclaim Our individuality and our strength of spirit.
	We need to reclaim our own power and stop giving it away to people who are using it in a most dark and adverse way.
	They feed off a dark energy.
	When children are hurting, they are getting stronger because it's like they're like vampires of negativity, of the most horrific kind, beyond most people's But the human trafficking is the most lucrative business in the world, because that is also their funding mechanism for ushering in this new world order.
	But in the meantime, they're destroying the minds of the children through Through fear and through trauma.
	And we need to stop it all.
	And the first thing we can do is keep masks off our children.
	Take our own mask off.
	Move forward in life again without fear of the common cold.
	You know, I mean, I'm not saying that That COVID doesn't exist, but it's no more than a common cold.
	We have just as much a survival rate with it as anything else.
	National death statistics, annual death statistics, haven't even risen with this.
	And if there are any rises at all, it's because it's creating so much Depression and people are suiciding, but it is not something we need to be masking our children up for.
	We need to consider what we're doing to our children, what we're doing to their development of their brains, what we're doing to create this fearful attitude that is removing them from the purity that they are.
	They need to run out and play.
	They need to hug each other.
	They need to be free.
	We need to stop dividing them and let them just embrace each other in life and Go forward in light of love.
	And it's up to us to give that back to them.
	We have to reclaim it in ourselves first.
	And the process for doing it is very easy.
	I've detailed how I did it in PTSD, Time to Heal.
	So easy to self-apply.
	People all over the world are applying it to themselves and reclaiming their free thought, free will, strength of spirit so that they can start protecting the children, start protecting our future, and start moving forward in light of Life's true purpose.
	It's such a beautiful opportunity we have before us now to learn from this.
	We cannot allow our history to be erased.
	We have to know where we've been, to know where we're going, and we need to know that truth and embrace it and preserve it and vigilantly protect it going forward because truth makes us free.
	As you've always so wisely said, David, and love is the most powerful force in the universe.
	It comes down to something that simple.
	both truth and love are like of the same vibration.
	And we need to keep those going and free our children from this handful of low vibration,
	dark forces that really have no business meddling in anybody's brilliant mind.
	Thank you, Kathy.
	Thanks so much, Kathy.
	And I think you said a really important thing there that you said, knowledge is the way out.
	And that kind of takes us full circle to what we were talking about earlier, David,
	when you were talking about Wateco and that the way out of it was to name it.
	So the information really is an important piece.
	And then from there, Tay and I were talking about this earlier too,
	around just the importance of taking a look, looking at what's actually taken place,
	look at what's actually there.
	It's almost like you need to go to certain, you need to be aware of what's happened
	in order to have that elastic band shoot you back over and see how far you can go in the other direction.
	And so I feel like to a lot of point, you can only go so far as to first knowing what's actually gone on and the reality of what's taken place so that you can catapult yourself into something much grander.
	I really, really appreciate both of you guys being able to come on.
	And David, I know we kept you for much longer there, but we wanted to see if we could get it with Kathy to pop on too.
	So I'm really glad that that worked out to have you guys both on for a little while.
	Well, I'm absolutely delirious to be on a show with Kathy O'Brien.
	I really am. I mean, she is an amazing, amazing soul beyond human beings.
	And I would just say this too about knowledge.
	Knowledge is not power.
	The use of knowledge is power.
	And we have to go from seeing it to ceasing to cooperate with it, to take the knowledge and use it for transformation.
	It's no good people standing on the other side of the road saying, oh yeah, well, this is what they're going to do next, and then they'll do that.
	Oh, I told you they'd do that, look!
	Well, oh yeah, okay, you're watching your own dystopia unfold.
	I mean, how will we move forward here?
	Seeing it is stage one.
	Ceasing to cooperate with it is what brings the house of cards down.
	Yeah, we've been using the term that's been That we've been following is light and action.
	Light is kind of the information and then action is what are you going to do with it and how do you live your life from that place.
	You two are both examples of light and action.
	Thank you. Thank you both so much.
	David, where can people find you if they wanted to learn more about the work that you do?
	And can you please mention your book again?
	We'll post that at the bottom of the video for the viewers.
	Yeah, well, the main hub is davidike.com, but we have a whole new, it's kind of an alternative Netflix now.
	It's massive. It's exploded in two years, called Iconic, which covers the whole spectrum, you know, not just conspiracy, the whole spectrum.
	By the way, Cathy, we'd love to do a series with you, mate, I tell you, on how to...
	Break out of mind control and take your perceptions back.
	That would be fantastic. So yeah, it's documentaries, it's series, it's weekly shows and stuff.
	And it's really taken off.
	I've just recorded, funnily enough, a 13-part series about the nature of reality.
	And again, you know, The power of love is all part of that.
	And the book is called Perceptions of a Renegade Mind.
	And a renegade mind is not just a mind that critically thinks and sees it.
	It's a mind that says, I'm not cooperating with it.
	That's the renegade mind.
	Beautiful. Kathy, you too.
	Where are the best places for people to learn more about your work as well?
	On my website, trance-formation.com, that's T-R-A-N-C-E-Dash-formation.com.
	Wonderful. We're going to put all of that info in the show notes so people know where to find you guys.
	And Kathy, can you mention, because you had sent me an email after you learned that we were going to be speaking with David Icke, you had sent me two videos.
	There's one that you sent, which we're going to post for the audience as well, because it's one that Jay mentioned.
	What was it called? Yeah, The Whole World Will Hear Us.
	It was so beautiful, so inspirational.
	Chills, goosebumps in my body the whole time that I watched the video with Jason.
	And there was another one.
	Can you give us the, can you share the story of that one?
	The music, the musical one that David has sent you.
	Oh my goodness, there's the most beautiful thing.
	Yeah, the Cortana song.
	Have the coronavirus pandemic started in China?
	Doctor Jane's medical supplies and physicals grants have contained more than five vaccines
	and vitamins. Stage one you've created problems.
	It could be a manufactured virus.
	You want a reaction and you want them to either say, do something, or you want them to accept what the authorities suggest must be done.
	So one of the agendas is to massively cull the population.
	They want to reduce the numbers.

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