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June 25, 2021 - David Icke
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Right Now - Gareth Icke Speaks To Former BBC Presenter Jemma Cooper About Why She Left The BBC
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Earlier today I was joined in the studio by former BBC presenter Gemma Cooper.
She described her employers as the devil in a private WhatsApp conversation and the rest, as they say, was history.
Gemma, thanks for coming in and talking to me.
So first of all, the main thing would be, obviously, you called the BBC the devil.
I'm sure that was probably taken out of context in lots of different ways.
But where did that come from?
Well, there's a big backstory to it, actually, is that when the pandemic so-called broke, It became apparent very very quickly that the BBC was adopting the narrative of there's a deadly virus and we're all going to die and we must do this and you must do that and even I at the start was a bit caught up in it but professionally I was starting to think we're not hearing many voices outside this official mainstream narrative and that was the first time in a 25-year career in the mainstream media that that had happened to me I thought this is very linear there's only one debate and it's all centered around the fact that there's a deadly virus and we're all going to die But I wanted to hear other voices outside of the mainstream, so I was getting involved in different groups that were organising rallies and protests, if you like, because that was the only place that you could hear those voices.
So professionally I was thinking if I want to hear doctors speaking a different voice about this narrative, if I want to hear nurses and Health professionals and health experts, I have to go to a protest, which didn't seem particularly bad to me.
But personally, I'd had a bit of a conscious awakening whilst I was working at the BBC. I've been there 21 years.
In 2010-11, I had a conscious awakening.
I was doing a lot of yoga and meditation and it led me to believe there's a lot more to life than meets the eye.
And I started going to the alternative conference scene and started meeting people and reading different books and DVDs and eventually came across your dad's work.
So personally, when this thing broke, I thought, hang on a minute, I've been hearing about this for years on the alternative scene, always thinking it was a little bit far-fetched, always thinking, I think these people need to get out more.
I was going to the alternative scene because I was interested in consciousness and the nature of reality.
That was my conscious awakening.
All the other stuff about mandatory vaccinations, Agenda 21, Agenda 30, I've been hearing about it and hearing about it and thinking, I'm not in my lifetime, that sounds a bit far-fetched.
And then of course it started happening and I thought, hang on a minute, I've been hearing about this and these people are talking about this at these rallies, as well as being professional voices against the narrative.
I've got a really deep personal interest in this because if these books and DVDs on my bookshelf are right, We're in serious trouble.
Yeah, exactly. So there were two reasons for going.
And then I got on a few little social media groups and stuff.
I'm not on social media at all.
No Twitter, no Facebook for me.
I think it's a deeply evil, sinister thing.
But I was communicating with people on little WhatsApp groups.
And somebody said to me...
Do you still work for the BBC? And at that point I did.
And I made a joke and I said, yeah, I still work for the devil.
And I thought I was among like-minded people and it was all going to be taken quite light-heartedly.
But somebody thought it was a good, easy way of maybe making a bit of money selling a story to the paper.
And from that one comment, that joke...
Although, is it a joke? The BBC does have a bit of a dark energy around it, I think.
From that, started a whole sequence of events which led me to leaving the BBC. The BBC found out I'd been on these rallies.
Quite rightly, they wanted to investigate and discipline me and find out what was going on because BBC members of staff aren't supposed to go to rallies.
So I didn't know what I was doing, and I don't blame the BBC for wanting to discipline me, but what I did get a bit mad about is there were several other people in my office who'd gone to the big Black Lives Matter rally in Bristol, and that was overlooked.
And when my managers hauled me in for going to a protest, because everything's filmed nowadays, you know, I was being very naive if I thought I wasn't going to get spotted.
So they hauled me in and said, you've been spotted on these protests, That's breach of guidelines.
And I said, well, hang on a minute. Several members of our newsroom went to Black Lives Matter, and one of my managers said to me, and this was the point where I thought I need to leave the BBC, they said, that's different, Gemma.
That's anti-racist.
You're anti-lockdown. I thought, well, a protest is a protest.
Exactly. Yeah. And it was at that point I thought, I'm on a really sticky wicket here because they obviously aren't seeing it like I'm seeing it.
No. We're not hearing any voices outside of the narrative.
And as soon as I go and try and find them, I'm getting hauled in and investigated.
And then the BBC wants to ask me a range of questions like, who are your friends outside of work?
Do you share the views of these protests?
Which, in a way, I kind of understand.
But I also think, hang on, how into my private life?
Exactly. You need some privacy.
I need some privacy. I need my own thoughts.
I need my own friends. At that point I decided to leave the BBC and I was working my notice.
I was quite happy to go quietly because I'd had a conscious awakening.
I was finding the mainstream media an increasingly difficult place to navigate.
Once you have a conscious awakening, it's very difficult to explain that process to someone who hasn't It's a bit like childbirth.
But once you have a conscious awakening and you see the world differently, everything changes.
Yeah, you can't put the genie back in the bottle without that.
You can't, you can't. So I was trying to tread a very mainstream life on the outside, whereas on the inside I was changing, I was growing, I was developing.
My soul, my heart, my consciousness was coming more to the fore.
My ego was going down.
So the mainstream media is a very difficult place to be if you're a conscious person.
Of course. There's an analogy in sailing, actually.
If you've got one foot in one boat and one foot in another, where's your ass?
It's in the water. And that's exactly where I was.
Cognitive dissonance, you would call it.
So I was getting ready to go quietly.
I thought I had a good career.
I was good at my job. I've got nothing to prove.
If I stay and try and Plot this narrative.
It's not going to work out for me.
Everybody's in fear. And I wasn't in fear.
So I decided to leave.
And at that point, my BBC colleagues, I don't know who they are and why they did this, but they obviously thought, well, we don't want her to go quietly.
She's in the wrong. We're going to make her pay.
So they went to the tabloid press and they sold the story that I'd gone to the rallies.
Made me out to be a crazy person, not very nice.
There's a lot of, put a lot of other things in there for good measure.
And my reputation was duly tarnished and ruined, really, you could argue, or they were trying to ruin it, for having a different opinion to the official narrative.
That's extraordinary, isn't it? Yeah, that's what happened.
I mean, that's something I've seen, like, the mainstream media has never really kind of asked the questions that say I would have liked them to have asked on lots of different political things.
With this, like you said, they were all on the same page with COVID, and it was very much...
The press briefings were literally the media turned up, took notes of what the government said, and then reported it as fact.
Absolutely. There was no questions.
I have never, ever seen anything like that before.
And I was shocked.
And everybody went into this fear.
And literally, I think fear...
Maybe these people have always lived in fear.
And because I also haven't had a conscious awakening, you drop fear very quickly when you step into your own power.
And I was seeing a lot of people not in their own power at all, where I was working.
And I was thinking, we're not asking any questions.
It's like, fear colours the way they're seeing things, they're hearing things, they're perceiving the world.
And I was saying, I even said to one colleague of mine, where I worked was in the West Country, and there were a lot of cases in Swindon at a food factory.
So of course, Cases, cases, cases, the magic word.
Cases, cases. Everyone thinks case study, hospital beds.
It's just positive test results from a very deeply flawed test.
So the BBC juggernaut's getting in motion.
Let's send the truck out. We'll stand outside this factory in Swindon.
Cases, cases, cases. And as my friend, who was the reporter, was leaving, I said, listen, I think we need to be really careful with this.
You know, we're putting the fear of God in people.
I said, cases doesn't mean deaths.
It just means positive test results.
Some of those people might be absolutely fine.
Yeah. Well, most of them would be.
Exactly. And he looked at me like I'd, I don't know, eaten his baby or something and went red and went, no, no, Koops, this is really important, and rushed out to do the cases, cases, cases.
But I was thinking, this is just going to get worse and worse and worse.
And I just, I couldn't do it.
I couldn't be part of it.
The person I was on the inside and the way I was perceiving it and the way, because of my involvement with the alternative scene, I could see it going, potentially.
I thought, I can't be the architect of my own demise here.
I'm going to go.
And every time I did try and speak out about stuff, I talked to one of our health experts about the validity of the PCR test and said, well, you know, the guy that invented it said it shouldn't be used for this kind of thing.
And he went, no. And I said, the way it's kind of done, it's not looking for a virus, it's looking for genetic material that shows you've got something and then you go and find out what the something is.
And he went, well, that's really interesting.
Maybe that's worth looking at.
And I thought, well, maybe we should look at it.
So it was like it was literally falling on deaf ears.
Everyone, I don't know for what reason, but everyone bought into it.
And I didn't.
And now that should be OK. The BBC is normally a very You have a very robust debate about anything, the American elections, our elections, Brexit.
Everyone has a debate, a heated debate in the newsroom about their different points of view.
Then we all head to the bar. No one falls out.
No, so it should be. Yeah, but this...
You can't touch COVID. No!
It was so shocking to see that People felt so strongly about what I'd done within my own office.
They didn't have the courage to front me up and say, Coops, what are you doing going to these things?
Why are you doing it? And I would have sat down and said, this is why I'm doing it, however crazy it sounds.
I've got books on my bookshelf about this.
This is why I'm doing it. No, the logical thing to those people, and I don't blame them for it, they probably thought they were doing a public service by selling those stories to the press.
But, you know, they just didn't want to talk to me properly.
They wanted to ruin me.
And that was a shot that took me a long time to take over.
That is dark, actually. Yeah, that is, that is.
I've never felt the need for that.
Even at an absolute microscopic level, like on social media, where there's lots of people on social media I don't agree with in their opinions, and that's fine.
But then just delete them.
Get their account deleted. Stop advertising with them.
I find that really sinister.
Do you think, though, in a way, that it's a blessing for you, though?
Now I do, yes.
And even at the time, actually, even though I had the sun and the mail and all the papers knocking on my door right before Christmas, and it was an awful end to the year.
I thought I was popular where I worked.
I'd been there 20 years. I'd been to lots of parties, weddings, trips out, all that kind of thing.
And to know what somebody or some people from that office had done was awful.
It was that classic description of, you know, life gives you your most brilliant gifts perfectly disguised as your worst, worst, worst nightmares.
Doesn't it just? I had to face everything that I'd ever clung to in my old life when I was living in my ego before my conscious awakening.
You know, loss of status, loss of income, loss of reputation.
I really did put a lot of store by those things, but I knew they were hollow crowns.
So when this happened, I thought to myself, if I had just left quietly without any fanfare and just disappeared and she called her employer the devil and then she left, all done and dusted, no one's going to be really interested in that.
But because it was such a public hanging, it was like the universe was giving me a massive sign of The door is firmly closed, the windows are boarded up, the drawbridge has been pulled up and the moat is full of water.
There's no going back to that old life.
And where we are as a planet and where we are as a fork of human evolution where there's such a split now of people that see this narrative like we're seeing it and people like they're seeing it.
I'm not going to say sides, it's just a perception thing.
I thought, well, I'm really grateful it happened because now I feel much more myself.
And I feel like I've been freed from an environment where if I stayed, I was probably going to have some kind of nervous breakdown.
I think I was heading that way because of the conflict inside.
And yeah, the universe, it works in funny ways.
And it was a very clear sign that bam, you know, you're out, you're out.
You know, licking your wounds and blinking in the sunlight, but you're out.
So now what are you going to do?
And that, now I think, all that experience I've learned, I need to put it to good use.
I need to put my journalistic skills to much better use, my television experience to better use.
I did think about running away and living in a cabin in the mountains and going off grid like everybody else is talking about.
And I thought, no, no. This now is about building a new paradigm.
Exactly. Where people are moving away from the mainstream because they literally can't stay there anymore.
Think of all the healthcare professionals that are quietly handing in their notice.
Oh yeah, yeah. Doctors that are resigning.
An enormous amount.
Yeah. I mean, was it Sam Whitehall, the doctor who was on Twitter talking about why he was moving?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a young guy.
He's got his whole career ahead of him.
But once you realise you just can't stay there anymore, it's not a question of throwing your toys out the pram and going, right, I'm done and you'll all be sorry.
You literally just can't do it vibrationally.
We're one way and that side is another, that perception thing is another.
So yeah, it was a huge blessing.
The universe pushed me out and the people who grasped me up, there's no other way of saying that, to the press, did me a huge favour and I'll be forever grateful for them because they enabled me to Leave an environment which my heart had wanted to leave for a very long time since I'd had my conscious awakening.
But my head didn't have the balls to do.
So my heart was going, you've got to get out of here, Gem.
My head's going, you can't leave all this.
What will everybody think?
Well, you've got to get rid of that fear of what everybody thinks and you've got to follow your heart.
And now I am following my heart. I feel so much better.
I do feel so much better.
It is amazing how things work.
There was a real nasty scumbag on the Isle of Wight and he snapped my tib and fib in half.
And at the time I had despised him for it and now I'm just grateful because that was the best thing that ever happened to me.
Really? Yeah, because I was basically in a hospital bed and then I was in bed for two months waiting for an op and I had to evaluate everything including myself and really just ego, the whole lot just gets destroyed.
There you go, yeah. And then you're reborn and it's totally different.
So that was your dark night of the soul.
Yeah, but it was the best thing that ever happened to me.
It is strange how that works.
It is. I think with the BBC, you've said what you've said in a private conversation.
I mean, it's ridiculous. So you're leaving, you're going quietly.
Do you think maybe from their point of view, it was a case of, well, if she goes quietly, then others might as well?
Because you have that kind of, well, what's the worst that could happen?
Well, you would lose your job. Well, I'm fine with that.
Whereas, what's the worst that could happen?
Well, I'll get publicly vilified, I'll get this, I'll get that.
And maybe they kind of, you were a bit of an example.
Maybe. For others of, you know, this is what happens if you step up.
Yeah, in fact, somebody mentioned that to me and said, you were an example of a red line, you know, this is a red line and if you cross it, this is what we'll do.
And I was like, no, people wouldn't be like that, would they?
No, you wouldn't be like that.
But they were. But I still don't bear them any malice.
I don't bear the BBC any malice.
It's doing its job.
And I sometimes wonder if the BBC was designed exactly for this moment in history.
That's its job. You know, the mainstream media, that's its job.
It was doing what it thought was right.
And those people, I mean, I'd buy them a pint if I saw them now.
I'd be like, thank you for getting me out.
I really haven't got any ill will to them because I've had experiences like my private life and actually they turned out to be amazing.
And one of them led to my conscious awakening.
But yeah, I think an example was definitely made of me.
Which it wouldn't have been made maybe if someone else had a different protest.
They probably just would have gone quietly.
But it is what it is and I wouldn't change it.
I'm glad it happened.
And I look back on my career with great fondness.
I did make some great friends.
I was very good at my job.
I did enjoy it, but my time was done and I didn't have the guts to do it myself.
So that person held me on my way.
21 years is a hell of a career though, anyway.
And now it's a new chapter.
It's not even, like you say, you're not going to go and live in the woods.
Believe you me, I did think about it.
I didn't even read those articles in their entirety when they came out in the papers because the press had a field day with it.
You can imagine. Oh, she called her employer the devil.
Yes, I did, but it was so twisted around to make me look crazy.
And then I know that a few...
Shall we say facts that were very loose went in that article about me and at work and apparently I made somebody cry which that's news to me and if I did I'm sorry but I'm not even sure if that's definitely true.
So I didn't read the articles in their entirety but I got the headline bullet points and I was just like that at Christmas my head in my hands thinking how am I going to come back from this?
They did to me what they did to your dad.
But here you are.
And here I am! I know!
But hopefully we'll get to work together going forward and a new beginning.
That's the thing. I really do believe that going away and living in a cabin in the woods, which so many people like us feel.
I can't cope with the I'm speaking for people and they say, I can't cope with what's happening.
Let's just all go off grid and grow our own vegetables.
And I was like that for a while. I just want to hide.
I don't want anything to do with mainstream life.
And then as I got stronger and I've come out the other side, and my soul and my heart are much more cohesive now.
And I've got over the shock of what happened, because it was massively shocking.
I can imagine, yeah. I think, no, no, no way.
Why should I hide? Why should I hide my talents?
Why should healthcare professionals and doctors and nurses that are leaving their professions hide their talents?
This is about building something now, a new paradigm, a new way of moving forward that We can be allowed to exist or coexist with people that want to live in fear, which I don't want to do, you don't want to do, your dad didn't want to do.
So we should be allowed to use our skills and talents to build something.
If necessary, we rub along together.
I don't want to see friends and family who believe in this, who've had the jab.
I don't want to see them out of my life.
But equally, I don't want them to kick me out of there.
So there's got to be a way we can We can build something new.
Of course, yeah. And I think more people who are perceiving it still in fear are going to come over to our side.
I don't think anyone is going to go back to that.
No, I see people that have had both jabs that are now coming over.
Really? Yeah, and saying, you know, You know, obviously woke up a little bit late, but here I am sort of thing.
Yeah, the groundswell is huge.
And my awakening took a long time.
It was very gradual for me.
And I'm glad it was.
And it was brilliant. It was like a beautiful journey of this new emerging Gemma since 2010-11.
And I used to think to myself, God, how did I live my life any other way?
When you have a conscious awakening, everything changes.
You know, your friends, your hobbies, your interests, what you do.
And I always thought, God, this is great.
And it was all amazingly brilliant until this broke.
Because I always wondered why Conscious Awakening even happened to me or why it happens to anyone.
But when this happened, I thought, this is why I've had the Conscious Awakening.
This is where the real work begins.
It's now. But it took 10 years for me and it was lovely.
But some people, they got the download last year.
Really quick. Yeah.
A lot did. Yeah. And you know I think with a lot of people the awakening has saved their life in lots of ways but also in the sense when it comes to Covid like the best vaccine that I can see is not believing it because the only people that seem to get Covid who die get ill are people that fear it.
Yes absolutely everyone that protests is fine yeah you know and you know I wonder if there is something in that.
I think so and I know quite a lot of people who Tested positive for and were unwell.
Friends of mine, that unnerved me a bit because I do question it still, even though I'm sitting with you today, because I came from such a mainstream career and background and a specifically trained way to think of the world.
I still question it now and I do think, well what if I have got this wrong?
I've lost everything. What if I have got this wrong?
But then I see something and I think, no, I don't think I have got it wrong.
And only yesterday I saw that document during the rounds, the Human Augmentation Project on the Ministry of Defence's own website with the human hand and the robot hand going like that.
And I thought, no, I haven't got it wrong.
They always tell us.
Yeah. They always tell us. And who asked for that anyway?
Did any of us ask for the Human Augmentation Project?
No, it's just being delivered, isn't it?
Yeah. And for years I was talking about the transhuman agenda to people and they're like, Koops, you're nuts.
Well, not so nuts now.
Well, exactly. So, yeah, I mean, even though I still question it, my heart is saying, you've done the right thing, but it still is.
You could be wrong, Gem, but I know I'm not.
It's just that little death ego, the death throes of the ego.
Of course, yeah. Well, thank you very much for talking to me and I hope we can work together in the future.
Well, I mean, I've got a lot to bring to the iconic table and this hellish experience of being kicked out of my old life in such a public way and The people that did that and went to the papers, fair enough, they probably felt they were doing a good thing, but at the time, don't underestimate, I had some very dark moments.
I can imagine, yeah. But as with you, with your conscious awakening when you broke your leg, it's always darkest right before the dawn, isn't it?
Isn't it just? It's a new dawn, this is a new beginning for me personally, professionally and for society, so I'm glad I'm on this side.
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