June 18, 2021 - David Icke
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| Hello and welcome to Right Now. | |
| In the two weeks since we aired our interviews with Jackie Devoy and the many whistleblowers that had the courage to speak out, we've been inundated with messages confirming that these people have had their loved ones killed as well by doctors using midazolam. | |
| It really is a monumental cover-up of mass murder and we won't stop trying to seek justice. | |
| That's what these families absolutely deserve. | |
| I spoke to a solicitor last week while I was driving up a hill in Wales about how the NHS and care homes are working together to implement the Liverpool Care Pathway, but only after that person, the patient, has lost all their worldly possessions. | |
| They've had them taken from them to pay for the lack of care they're receiving. | |
| It really was sickening to hear. | |
| Her name is Shirley, and while wishing to have their full identity hidden, they've agreed to come on to Right Now today to explain how this is done. | |
| The UK government has said this week that they will be making it mandatory for all care home staff and those working with vulnerable people to have an untested, still in its clinical trials until 2023, fake vaccine for them to continue working. | |
| But don't worry. They'll give you 16 weeks to get the jab before they sack you. | |
| That's what you do in a free society, you see. | |
| Care home nurse Carly Lou Mansfield is joining us to talk about this. | |
| Barrister Francis Hoare, who famously led the court challenges against lockdowns, will be coming on to talk us through the legality of the vaccine emergency approval and how that ties in to the government's unwillingness to lift restrictions and effectively End the state of emergency and with it, the vaccine's approval. Guy Tal is a journalist in Israel. | |
| He'll be talking to us about the political changes in the country. | |
| Finally, Benjamin Netanyahu has gone to many cheers, of course, from those within the peace movement. | |
| His replacement, Naftali Bennett, has already bombed Gaza. | |
| Do you know what I mean? After all, this is a man who said, I've killed lots of Arabs in my life and there's no problem with that. | |
| That's not a normal sentence to come out of a human being's mouth. | |
| I've heard many times throughout the last year, what can I do? | |
| And most are so willing to hand over their powers to those in pinstripe suits that they don't question what they can actually do and look and look and look. | |
| Francis Hoare obviously knows an awful lot about the legality of government legislation. | |
| That's literally his job. | |
| He's speaking to us now. Francis, thanks for this. | |
| Can you explain to us how the vaccine's emergency authorisation is tied into the country being in a state of lockdown? | |
| Well, the emergency authorisation is predicated on the fact that we're in an emergency. | |
| There isn't in English law and the law generally in the United Kingdom, both England and Scotland, different jurisdictions, there isn't a strict concept of a state of emergency as there is in America and in some other countries or rather in certain states of America and some other countries. | |
| So it isn't quite as simple to say there is a declaration of a state of emergency and that means that automatically certain powers are released. | |
| So it's not quite as straightforward as that. | |
| But you'd have a position potentially then, so if you say, okay, we're lifting all restrictions, you can all have your lives back, take your masks off, social distancing's done, everything's fine, it's going to be difficult then to sell it as a state of emergency to try and continue the vaccine rollout? | |
| Yes, I suppose the answer to that might be that the emergency is seen differently or should be seen differently from the point of view of vaccination than it should be from the point of view of restrictions and that there's not necessarily a tie between restrictions and the vaccination. | |
| I mean, these are pretty uncharted legal territories, to be honest. | |
| And as I say, because you don't have this strict concept of a state of emergency, which automatically justifies certain powers and certain measures. | |
| So, for example, in the United States, you had a number of successful challenges to state courts and ending up in state supreme courts, including, for example, in Wisconsin. | |
| There was an excellent judgment there. | |
| Which found that the states of emergency either were less serious than the governors had said or couldn't be justified beyond a certain point and therefore all their powers ceased at that point. | |
| But you don't have that sort of binary situation here and certainly not with the emergency authorisation of this vaccine. | |
| But obviously The less of an emergency that there is, the more weight there would be to any challenge to emergency authorization. | |
| And that would then, I suppose, tie into the mandatory part of it, which I think for a lot of people is the most sinister part of the vaccine rollout. | |
| If people want to go and get it, that's, you know, whatever, but making it mandatory. | |
| I think that's a much more yes. | |
| Now, I should say that I'm instructed in a case. | |
| I'm not going to talk about the facts of that case. | |
| I don't talk about the facts of cases which are carrying on at the moment. | |
| They're finished as the Dodian case. | |
| I'm quite happy to. | |
| So the case I'm instructed in is about mandatory vaccinations within a care home. | |
| So that's the care home's decision rather than the government's decision. | |
| And it's a matter of employment law, but it's also affected by fundamental human rights protected by a number of international instruments. | |
| So you might be familiar with the Nuremberg Code, which is Not a treaty, it's a declaration by the judges in the doctor's trial in Nuremberg, which was in 1946, or possibly 7, when those judges trying, the doctors including obviously Mengler downwards, declared that the Forcing treatment against people's will was a breach of their fundamental rights and a breach of international law. | |
| Although that isn't within treaty obligations to the United Kingdom, it was again declared by UNESCO in a conference in 2005. | |
| And these conferences are very authoritative declarations of what we know as customary international law. | |
| So there's two forms of international law. | |
| There is international law by treaties, which is, you might say, quite closely associated with domestic legislation. | |
| And there's international law by custom, what's called customary international law, which is, in a way, an international equivalent of our common law, so judge-made law. | |
| Although it's not generally made by judges, it's just the recognition of international rights. | |
| So, for example, the right to self-defence for a state, the right to pre-emptive self-defence, going all the way back to Drake singing the King of Spain's beard in Cadiz in 1587, the year before the Spanish Armada, and so on. | |
| So those sort of declarations are authoritative and it's difficult to see why the declaration of the judges who are sitting trying doctors in Nuremberg is not an authoritative declaration of what is customary international law. | |
| The reason that matters is because when you interpret legislation If legislation is sufficiently unclear, it must be interpreted in accordance with our international obligations and that includes not only our obligations under treaties but also our obligations under customary international law. | |
| And so when you, for example, read Article 8 of the European Convention of Human Rights, which is the right to private and family life, that has to be constructed and that has to be read into English law under the Human Rights Act, it's a separate That's a separate provision. | |
| When you read that, you have to read into it as it is understood and as it is defined by international law. | |
| And as it happens, the European Court of Human Rights, what we call the Strasbourg Court, sits in Strasbourg, has also said that Article 8, the right to private life part of it, involves the right to bodily autonomy. | |
| And bodily autonomy includes the right to refuse medical treatment. | |
| And the right to be not be coerced into receiving medical treatment. | |
| Of course. And basically, take this medical treatment or you're going to be sacked and lose your ability to feed your family is pretty coercive. | |
| It's an extraordinarily coercive thing. | |
| From a legal point of view, one other very important principle is the principle of informed consent. | |
| Now, informed consent is interesting because Viewers might remember from their childhood, depending on their age, that people talked about cancer and that people getting cancer and not being told about it. | |
| So I remember my grandmother who died in 1983. | |
| I remember that she was not told that she had a brain tumour. | |
| And that was completely standard. | |
| Viewers might remember the King's Speech and George VI not being told he had cancer. | |
| It's slightly unclear whether that's true. | |
| And my grandmother, I suspect, realised what was going on but didn't know the details. | |
| That was that old-fashioned, patriarchal view of medicine. | |
| That changed significantly in 1984 with a case called Siddoway, Siddoway and Royal Bethlehem Hospital. | |
| Where judges in the House of Lords, which was then the senior court in the United Kingdom, found that you had to be given information. | |
| But they qualified by that by saying, if a respectable body of medical opinion considers that it would be against the interest of the patient to give that information, then it would be acceptable not to. | |
| Now that was overturned and we went, but that was itself a step very much a step towards patient autonomy and against away from patriarchal medical View of looking at consent. | |
| Thirty years later, the Supreme Court, which replaced the House of Lords in Montgomery and Lanarkshire Health Board, found that that was wrong, or rather we moved away and the common law developed to say that All patients, irrespective of what respectable bodies of medical opinion say, must be given proper information about the benefits and the side effects of their medication if they are to be in a position to give informed consent. | |
| Now, of course, this doesn't apply for those people who lack capacity. | |
| If you lack capacity, there has to be a finding about that and Those persons who are authorised to do it, which might be for a child, it's a parent, obviously, and it might be the court of protection or it might be another court or something else. | |
| But if you're an adult with full capacity or a child with what's called Gillick competence, that is to say you've got capacity because you're mature and old enough to understand and weigh up in the balance these different considerations, then you must be given that information. | |
| It can't be boulderised. | |
| It's the old Sort of interpretation of Shakespeare without all the sexy parts. | |
| It has to be real. | |
| And that's hugely important and very significant in the moment where it might be said, and you know, we see different reports and facts are always difficult to know for certain, but it might be said that that information is not being given to many people. | |
| No, I don't believe it is. | |
| I mean, I've had operations before in my life, like for like a broken leg and stuff. | |
| And I remember sitting with the surgeon before, and he told me everything. | |
| And it was like, we were talking like 0.0001% chance this could happen. | |
| But he had to tell me everything. | |
| And I remember leaving it going, God, do I even want it? | |
| But it was a case of I had that information, I made a decision. | |
| We're not getting that. Yeah, and I think actually, I put something on Twitter about this this morning. | |
| The crucial thing to remember, and I think crucial to being in a position to make an informed choice, is to recognise risk. | |
| And I think one of the real problems in the last 15 months has been we've completely abandoned, it seems to me, any sensible, pragmatic understanding of how we quantify risk. | |
| So, for example, the overall risk to a healthy, under 60-year-old person of dying within 28 days of a positive PCR test, which of course doesn't necessarily mean of COVID, is about 1 in 100,000. | |
| More for 50 to 60, much less for 20 to 30, but still, average. | |
| Within the range, it's a very small number of people who have died, 600 in two flu seasons, about 15 months. | |
| So you can divide that, maybe not by two, but divide that by certainly a large amount. | |
| Now, faced with that, Of course, if you're a capacitors person, then have the choice to take a vaccination for that condition, but do it on the basis that you know not only what the risk of the vaccine might be, and of course might be because we don't have long-term figures by definition because it hasn't been tested for more than about 15 months, And on the other hand, what are your actual risks? | |
| Now, if you're extremely obese or you have diabetes, different proposition altogether. | |
| If you're old, again, obviously a different proposition. | |
| Risks are very, very different for COVID, so you might well come to that decision. | |
| But this is all about informed consent is all about knowing about risk and I fail to see how if you're not given proper information about risks both the risk of the condition you're being vaccinated against on the one hand and the risk or the potential risk but the the known knowns the unknown uh known that the known unknowns or the unknown unknowns as donald runs runs well I think quite helpfully put it About 20 years ago, it's quite an interesting way of putting things, because there are things that we know we don't know, but also things we don't even know that we don't know. | |
| And that's obviously the case with a new form of medication. | |
| mRNA is very new and it's been experimented on for a long time, but these are the first mRNA vaccines and they simply haven't gone through the number of years you would have to go through to know what their long-term effects might be. | |
| Exactly, and in terms of managing risk, What kind of life is a life without risk every time you leave the house? | |
| Again, that goes again to the nub of the issue, the wider issue. | |
| The restrictions, as they're called, i.e. | |
| denial of fundamental human rights. | |
| The fact that we're told we have to live with the shroud of death over us when all the pandemic plans, quite apart from our normal way of living, All emphasized that normality and continuing with normality was very important because part of the whole process, and I say this having spoken a lot to a very good friend of mine, Dr Lucy Eastope, who's a pandemic planner and has been part of the pandemic planning that was apparently non-existent according to Dominic Cummings, but in fact was very detailed and very well thought through and considered all the risks All the risks, | |
| which include the risk of suicide, which include the risk to the economy, which include what the consequences of the risk to the economy, that is to say poor health and death ultimately, and which include obviously the risk to freedom and the risk to a democratic way of life. | |
| All of these considerations matter and they matter a great deal. | |
| And risk, as you say, is an inevitable part of life. | |
| I mean, particularly for somebody like me, who absolutely loves skiing and things like that. | |
| What is life without taking risks? | |
| What is life without being a bit dangerous? | |
| What is life without engaging those sort of activities? | |
| You live to live. | |
| You don't live in the fear of dying. | |
| That's a brilliant way of putting it. | |
| That's exactly it. What is life without living? | |
| You know, that's the whole thing. | |
| But thank you very much for coming on and talking to us. | |
| I know obviously you're an incredibly busy man, so we really do appreciate your time. | |
| It's a real pleasure. Thank you, James. | |
| Thanks. From one section of the National Health Service to another, it was announced on Wednesday that the UK government will be making vaccines mandatory for all care home staff. | |
| Nurse Carly Lou Mansfield joins us now. | |
| Carly, is this something that's causing a lot of stress and dread for people that work within the care system? | |
| Yeah, absolutely. Obviously, I stepped away from the system last year, last September. | |
| I've still got many friends still working as nurses. | |
| They love the job. They love, you know, what they provide and what they do and now they're under a considerable amount of pressure now from the managers and the workplaces who get the food. | |
| Do you feel any pushback at all from people? | |
| Sorry, Gareth, sorry. | |
| Yeah, my ear went mad then as well, for some reason. | |
| Do you feel that there's any pushback at all from people? | |
| Maybe legally, is there a way that staff can do something about this? | |
| Well, we do have body autonomy. | |
| We have human rights. | |
| So, at the moment, they've got the 16 weeks to apparently get the vaccine. | |
| They've been told this. | |
| What will come of that? | |
| I do not know because I don't understand how these nursing homes and healthcare professionals are going to actually carry on going because they will step away from the system. | |
| There won't be pressure to the point where they will accept a trial drug into their body. | |
| So I don't understand how they're going to carry on providing care for people When a lot are going to turn away if they are unable to work. | |
| Well, that's what I was reading today. | |
| The numbers are about one and a half million care professionals. | |
| Now, if you take one and a half million people out of any sector, it will crumble. | |
| So do you think maybe that they, you know, maybe I'm being optimistic here, but maybe they actually don't have any intention of making it mandatory, but it's a case of by threatening it that there will be a number of people that will just go out and get it in the next 16 weeks. | |
| Yeah, I think this is just another push and it's another coercion and, you know, it's testing people. | |
| It's testing to see how far they will go. | |
| You know, these are all just little tests. | |
| This is just the first one, you know, compulsory in the healthcare sector, next, you know, schools, other workplace sectors. | |
| I think this Is going to be a big test for us, you know, as people. | |
| And are we going to support those people that don't want the vaccine, you know, and stick by them even though we have people pushing it upon us? | |
| But should we not all just respect each other's rights and wishes regardless? | |
| Well, exactly. That was always the way I thought it was. | |
| It was your body, your choice, but that seems to have gone out the window for this. | |
| Personally, and obviously, you know, I'm just asking you to sort of, you know, be Mystic Meg, really. | |
| But from your personal view, what do you see happening? | |
| Because obviously you're in contact with people that are on the ground in the care sector. | |
| Yeah, I mean, so I've got friends dear to me and they've had, like, People come in saying you're going to get a golden plaque award for your nursing home, you know, if you get 100% staff vaccinated, you know, and it goes down like there'll be a silver plaque, there'll be a bronze plaque and, you know, you're going to get more customers and more residents in your nursing home if you've got a golden plaque. | |
| So they're pushing all this massive coercion onto private sectors, the NHS, keep pushing and pushing. | |
| What will happen? | |
| Oh, I wish we all could know the answer. | |
| You know, it's just like you could procrastinate, couldn't you? | |
| They're just going to carry on pushing it. | |
| I think there's going to be another lockdown come August. | |
| Obviously, when the side-toe storm kicks in for the flu season, that's when it's going to really, really ramp up and the fear is going to come into play because Then it will look like we're in a pandemic, you know, and people will be worried and chaos, I think, will unfold this flu season and it's whether people will open their eyes to the complete hypocrisy of it all and the exposure of it, | |
| or will it be too late, you know? | |
| Yeah, the million dollar question. | |
| I think you're absolutely right. When it gets to flu season, then, you know, we're going to see what really happens. | |
| But it's also about staying strong. | |
| And that's why a lot of these kind of stand in the park and picnic in the park and these things are great. | |
| They don't seem like what's standing in the park going to do, but it's actually building networks so people can look after each other going forward. | |
| And I think that's great and important. | |
| Yeah, absolutely. But thank you very much for talking to us, Carly, and I hope your friends that obviously you know in the care sector, I hope that they manage to sort of stand strong and not get coerced and pushed into doing something they don't want to do. | |
| Yeah, well, you know, it's like we're all breaking away now. | |
| We can form our own system, you know. | |
| We are skilled, we are trained, you know, and we can work together and step away and do our own thing, you know. | |
| Oh, absolutely. And make something positive out of it, because the world wasn't great before COVID, if we're really honest with ourselves. | |
| No, exactly. Exactly. | |
| It can be a lot better than what it was and what it will ever be, and hopefully it will. | |
| If we get our way, it'll 100% be beautiful. | |
| It'll be great. Absolutely. | |
| Thank you, Carly. On the subject of mandatory vaccinations for care workers, we put out a poll on our Twitter and on our Instagram asking the question, would you quit your job if vaccines were made mandatory in your workplace? | |
| It's clearly a topic people are very passionate about and the results are pretty clear in favour of quitting the job. | |
| Others said they would wait to be sacked and then sue the company. | |
| On Instagram, 401 said they would quit versus just 21 that said they wouldn't. | |
| The people have clearly spoken. | |
| Our poll starting tonight at 7pm, both on our Twitter and Instagram, is the question, will you be following the rules after Monday? | |
| Or is the 21st of June still your Freedom Day? | |
| Will you be ripping off that mask and tossing it aside? | |
| Thanks to all my guests, thanks to everyone at home, and we'll see you next week. |
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