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May 5, 2021 - David Icke
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David Icke & George Webb Discuss The Coronavirus Hoax & The Reasons Behind It
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♪♪♪ Really, it's life's story, and it's very well done.
About an hour and a half, it's called Renegade.
And it really takes through David's life in Leicester starting out as kind of a Midlands goalie there and then you move into BBC journalism and then you get into writing after you have an experience.
So can you tell people a little bit about the movie?
Yeah, it was shot in the period of 2018, 2019.
It came out in early 2019, as I recall.
And, well, it was quite telling in the timing, really, given what has unfolded a few months later.
And I just got approached by an American film company to film Not just about my life, but it's my life with all the information we've through it in many and various, you know, different areas, subject areas.
And it's been, you know, when I look back, a remarkable kind of story in the sense of the different things that I've done up to the point of my head blowing off in 1990.
And, you know, You can look at life as a series of random events or you can see it as a chain of events going in a particular direction.
I started out in a On a council estate, as they say, working class in Leicester, England.
I was born in 1952, and I wanted to be a footballer.
And of course, not many people become footballers, but an extraordinary series of In the right place at the right time situations led me to becoming a footballer.
And then my football career ended with arthritis at the age of 21.
I became a newspaper journalist, a radio journalist, and a television presenter with the BBC. Overwhelmingly on sport, but not always.
The amazing events of 1990 happened to me, and I was launched onto this journey of the last 31 years.
But where the head blew off at that point, you think, well, that's when it started.
But it didn't. When I look at all the skills and the knowledge that I need to do what I do, My previous life had given me that knowledge.
Well, not only that, but had given me, had activated a determination in me to not give in because, you know, I say my football career ended when I was 21 with arthritis, but I played professional football for years.
Five years with the arthritis getting worse and worse.
I was training every day.
I was in agony during the warm-ups.
And it triggers something in you, this determination not to give up.
And then I went into journalism.
I understood how that operated and television and all this stuff.
Then I became a national spokesman for the British Green Party for a relatively short time.
Now, that was very, very important to me because It gave me an insight into politics and the complete irrelevance of it, but also an insight into the mentality that's behind the...
The global warming hoax mentality, which simply doesn't question on the basis of evidence, but just repeats the narrative without question.
And that kind of has evolved into what we call the woke mentality today.
But, you know, there was a lot of the woke mentality around in those days in the Green Movement when I was involved.
Irrelevance of politics.
You know, I was being told that green politics was a different politics.
Well, not from where I was sitting, it wasn't.
And so now we have, we've come, you know, so full circle in that, that we have radical greens, as they like to think they are, on board with Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum in terms of the Great Reset to save the world from So-called human-caused global warming.
So all these things were all part of a tapestry of things that happened to me that led to where I eventually went.
And I can see the connections now.
And the movie, Renegade, is following those connections.
In reading your latest book, I know you have another book in the works that will talk about perceptions of a renegade mind, I believe, your next book.
The last one I could buy was The Answer.
And in that book, early on, you talk about the kind of the precursors to Klaus Schwab and World Economic Forum with this Club of Rome.
And you have kind of a nice little triangular six-point star there that kind of shows how NATO and UN all repeat each other's themes.
And I don't know if you can bring that up, Andy, but I thought that was an exceptionally perceptive Graph right up front in that book.
Yeah, well, you know, when you're looking at literally a tiny few compared with the global population, dictating the lives of that population of billions, the first reaction that most people have is it's not possible Because it's too complex.
Too many people would have to know.
Well, that's actually not the case.
And if you look at the way the COVID hopes has been pulled off, it's through this very same, very simple structure.
I symbolize it as a spider's web.
And at the center of the web, in the shadows, is the spider where this is coming out of, the core.
And the strands immediately around the spider are the most exclusive secret societies, which Often, you know, many times don't have names because it's much harder to track them down.
And then you come out from those inner circle exclusive secret societies and you start hitting the ones that we know about, the inner core of the Freemasons and the Jesuit order and the Knights of Malta, the Knights Templar, all these others.
And you're still in the hidden as you come out.
And as you're moving out, at each level, the people involved are fiercely compartmentalized in these secret societies.
That's why they have degrees.
You only go to the next one if that level says you're able to do so or you're safe to do so.
And so the secret societies, even within the hidden, are fiercely compartmentalized.
So most of the people within, and particularly the Freemasons, have no idea what that structure is really being used to orchestrate and to hide.
And then you eventually meet what I call the cusp part of the web.
This is where the hidden...
Meets the scene. And here you're going to find a group of organizations which came out of a secret society in London called the Round Table at the end of the 19th century, which was first headed up by Cecil Rhodes, the gopher for the Rothschilds.
And they are the Royal Institute of International Affairs in London, 1920, that was created.
And then you've got the Council on Foreign Relations, 1921.
Then you've also got the Bilderberg Group, 1954.
You've got the Trilateral Commission, 1972-73.
And you've got the Club of Rome from 1968 and others.
And in these cusp organizations, you've also got this explosion around the world of what have become known as think tanks and non-governmental organizations.
And these are the conduits Take the agenda for the world from the spider, from the hidden, and then play it out into the world of the scene through governments, banking systems, government agencies, the global media ownership and other levels and so on.
And the Club of Rome was specifically set up to use environmental concerns to justify the centralization of global power.
And so we have reached this point now where you're seeing this always going to happen fusion between the COVID hoax and the human-caused climate change hoax, which just by coincidence, nothing to worry about, have the same solutions being offered, which are this Great Reset, which previously was known as the The Great Order of the Ages or the New World Order.
It's been known and still is as Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, going through the United Nations, and now they're calling it the Great Reset or Build Back Better.
And it's all the same thing.
It's a very, very long-term plan.
To step by step, what I call the totalitarian tiptoe, move towards the total centralization and subjugation of power or the centralization of power leading to the subjugation of the human race in its entirety down to the very thoughts that people have.
Yeah, it's always comforting to know that Henry Kissinger's there every step of the way with David Rockefeller at the Club of Rome and Klaus Schwab at the World Economic Forum over there in Davos.
And Bilderberg. They both go there with David Petraeus quite a bit.
So I wanted to talk a little bit about the coronavirus and just the background of maybe it being a bioweapon, a mild bioweapon, in order to kind of do an Operation Lockdown, sort of this Rockefeller idea.
And you talk a lot about DARPA and In-Q-Tel, which is more of the venture capital arm of DARPA. Can you talk a little bit about that?
I know you have a couple of chapters in answer, but your next book is going to be a lot about this.
You see, I have learned over the years of tracking these people and the way they work.
That when something happens that has massive, almost unlimited potential to justify this agenda of global centralization of power, then those happenings are never something that's happened, if you like, naturally, which they then took advantage of.
Do things happen naturally and they take advantage of them?
Like, you know, Rahm Emanuel said, never let a good crisis go to waste.
Yes, yes, those things happen.
But the major, major society transforming things are not, you know, riding the back of something that's happened naturally.
They're made to happen to have that effect, to provide that excuse.
So when I first heard that this so-called virus had been released and they were talking about it happening naturally through some bloody bats in Wuhan or something, well that was gone straight away because there's no way that the massive potential for transformation of human society that I could see this had was going to be something that just happened.
So then I looked at the bioweapon and I didn't go down that road either, eventually, because that didn't make sense in terms of events either.
And then the question came to me, is there a virus at all?
And I was sent a long and detailed email in March 2020 by a medical scientist in America.
Who was explaining that they can't say there's a virus because there's no way of testing for it.
And they were using this RT-PCR test, which the maker, Kerry Mullis, the designer, he got the Nobel Prize for it, said cannot detect or diagnose infectious disease or infectious viruses in this case, as he explained.
And then he explained how You could pull off a pandemic without actually having a virus.
And what he kind of explained at that time has been very prophetic in terms of what's unfolded.
I then started to come across other doctors who were questioning, okay, You say there's a virus, where's the paper that shows you've isolated and shown it to exist?
And to this day, no such paper has ever been produced.
And what I'm seeing now is more and more people, even within, you know, around the medical scientific arena, who obviously didn't even go there before, who are now saying, well, actually, where the platy-L is this virus?
And I think if you look, if you just put a few things together, while people may at first hearing, if they've not heard that before, go, oh, come on, these people are dying of it, these cases.
Yeah, okay. So how do you know someone's a case?
Well, it tested positive for it, yeah, with a test not testing for the virus.
And, okay, so what about the deaths?
So, you know, how did you know they died of COVID? Well, they tested positive with a test, not testing for the virus, and then they died within 28 days or whatever the period is.
And you start to see, and a lot of doctors have now come out and talked about this, that the COVID-19 is going on death certificates on a vast scale, sometimes with not even a test, not testing for the virus, just symptoms or whatever, and others simply because they've tested positive.
We've had people dying of heart disease, cancer.
In one case in America, a coroner made the point that COVID-19 was going on death certificates for people who died of gunshot wounds.
And then I looked at this financial incentive that was introduced out of all this in America, of paying hospitals through Medicare $4,600 if they diagnose regular pneumonia.
$13,000 if they diagnose COVID-19 pneumonia with the same symptoms, and $39,000 if they put a COVID-diagnosed patient on a ventilator.
And you think, well, hold on a minute.
If you've got a deadly bloody virus, why did you have to give people incentives to diagnose it?
And then you start hearing from families.
I started hearing this very early on.
I was sitting in a restaurant one night back in the spring of 2020, you know, when you could go to a restaurant.
And there's quite a loud conversation going on.
On the next table, obviously a family who'd lost a loved one.
And they're going, but he never died of COVID-19.
We know what he died of.
And so that's gone on and on and on.
You've got now a long list of...
Of funeral directors and funeral companies have said, well, you know, we've had a lot of people say, well, they never died of COVID-19.
And at the same time, you've got flu with the flu-like symptoms of COVID-19 has disappeared virtually worldwide.
Well, it hasn't. It's been redesignated COVID-19.
So you look at all that.
You look at the...
Symptomatic cases where they've tested positive, but they're not testing for the virus, but they've got no symptoms.
Why? Because there's nothing wrong with them.
And then you look at all those death certificates that have been faked.
You look at all those cases that have been faked.
And then you look at the projection of the infection to fatality rate Officially, and it's in the region of anything around 0.23% to 0.15% in one Stanford study.
And you say, well, hold on a minute.
Let's take the 0.23% and 0.15%, whichever you want to go with.
And let's take from those numbers all the people that tested positive Only because the test is not testing for what it claims to be testing for.
And let's take away all the death certificates where COVID-19 has gone on the death certificate when they died of something else.
What the hell is going to be left of the 0.23% or the 0.15%?
And this medical scientist in this email that I read, like I say, it was a lengthy explanation very early on.
Was explaining that this is exactly how they do it.
He said something else in March 2020.
That because they're not going to get the numbers of dead people, that it is enough to justify it's a deadly virus.
What they're going to do is they're going to say, ah, no, no, no.
All these people haven't died yet, but it's coming.
And he said, what they'll do is they'll use computer models to project death numbers.
And that's what came out of Imperial College in London, a totally corrupt Gates-owned operation, very, very, very close to the Chinese government.
Through a guy called Neil Ferguson, who produced the computer models of projected deaths, if there wasn't lockdown, that locked down America, that locked down Britain and many other countries.
And it's a simple process, a psychological process that's been going on, you know, way back.
Summed up by the Nazis, the bigger the lie, the more they will believe it.
And repetition is the greatest form of mind control.
So you tell a big lie and you keep repeating it.
You demonize anyone who's challenging it and you outright censor them now.
And, you know, repetition becomes, everyone knows that, mate, because that's all most people have ever heard.
And you can pull it off. COVID-19 is not a physical virus.
It's a virus of the mind.
It's a virus of the perception.
And the bioweapon, I've been saying since the spring, summer of last year, the bioweapon is not the virus.
It's the frickin' vaccine.
And now we're seeing that.
Interesting. That leads me into just a little bit of a change, going back to the movie for a second, because I think you see a side of David Icke in the movie that most people don't see, and that's sort of the personal side, you know, you going back to your homecoming to Leicester and so forth, and you being with your kids on the road, and then you being filmed before and after you see your audiences.
And, you know, the emotional impact that has on you.
You know, I don't think most people understand.
Everyone sees the big crowds for David Icke and then sees you on stage, but they don't get that preamble and they don't get the kind of the cool down phase.
But I thought that was very interesting the way the documentary caught that.
Well, you know, When you're in an arena or a theatre with people who have their minds open and their hearts open, It creates and generates a particularly kind of which is phenomenal to experience.
And, you know, I get back into the dressing room and, you know, my heart vortex, if you like, chakra, is wide open because of the interaction with the audience.
And, you know, if people came to my events, I'm not at the camp at the moment, Then they'd experience an energy that would transform the world.
Because this state of awareness does not want war.
It doesn't want conflict.
It doesn't want injustice.
It wants fairness.
It wants peace. And it wants freedom to express your own uniqueness without being externally imposed upon by being told what you must be, what you must do, how you must do things, what you must think.
And this world will be transformed if that energy was prevailing.
And you know, what we're seeing now, you've kind of come across this as well over there, but I've seen it happening around the world.
It's very clear that two societies are emerging.
And those societies are based on states of consciousness.
The mentality that I've just described, that wants love, peace, joy, happiness, fairness, justice, and freedom, are those that are questioning and challenging the whole COVID narrative.
And then you've got the other mentality, which in many ways has become more deeply entrenched in the authoritarian Marxist mentality.
They wouldn't even realize that most of the time, or most people, that they are actually conceding to Marxism or fascism or the same thing, just different labels.
And they are more and more becoming pawns of the established order.
And these two groups of people are emerging very, very clearly.
And, you know, we've had some fantastic March is challenging lockdown in London in the last few weeks, one last weekend, or the weekend before the one just gone.
And what you see, first of all, hundreds of thousands of people walking through London, hundreds of thousands.
That's how far the challenge has now got in Britain.
And the BBC did not even report the march.
Hundreds of thousands of people walking through London, walking through the roads, too many people for the police even to begin to try to stop it, and not even reported by the BBC. So obviously the establishment doesn't want people to know that this is happening.
And what you see on these marches is laughter, hugs, joy, friendliness, all these interactions that go on.
It's just wonderful to see.
And then you see the other mentality, which is kind of...
It's becoming more and more kind of tyrannical in its demands that everyone else give their minds away to what it's given its mind away to.
And so you're seeing this change.
And we have the opportunity here because we're in a position of danger, yes, because of what's going on.
But we also have the opportunity to bring an end to this.
Because this manipulation of the human race has been going on for centuries and centuries and centuries, all the time, focusing and centralizing power to get more and more power over more and more people.
And it's like...
You know, you can have background anxiety.
It's the kind of anxiety that people have.
It's always there, but it's not bad enough to, you know, really break out.
So you have to face it, but it's always there.
And then eventually you have something in your life, like an emotional trauma or something, and you have to face it and you have to deal with it.
You can't just go on indefinitely now with this background kind of emotional anxiety, which you can just about cope with.
Now you've got something you have to face and you have to deal with it.
And in the same way, we've had this background manipulation going on in the hidden, people's lives being controlled and directed, but more subtly and not so much in your face.
And people like Just go on and it happens and they don't realise the scale of which is happening and lots of things they think are their own thoughts and decisions are actually being manipulated and they don't know.
And it's the equivalent of background anxiety.
You know, you're being manipulated but you don't really have to deal with it.
And then with the COVID hoax, boom!
Now we're faced with something we have to deal with.
And now that which has been manipulating in the shadows overwhelmingly has now put itself on public display to anyone with a mind of their own who can obviously see it.
And so we are in a position of danger because of where they want to go and how fast they want to go there.
But we're also now dealing with something that people can see.
And, you know, we have the opportunity, given there are billions of us and a comparatively tiny number of those in full knowledge of what they're doing.
We have the opportunity now, because it's on public display, to actually bring it into this.
So there's great opportunities as well as great danger.
Yeah, I think you call that kind of the postage stamp mentality.
Of just this limited thinking versus more open mind in your books and this body-mind kind of harmony that you talk about.
So for people who haven't, you started out, I think, with Truth Vibrations was your first book?
Truth Vibrations, yeah. That's after, you know, the top of my head blew off in 1990, 1991.
And then there was...
What I like about that, even though...
You know, there's no way that we can see the waves of people kind of communicating their goodness or good thoughts yet.
You compare it to sort of like Wi-Fi before or radio before we could measure it, it still was there.
You know, you just need to open your mind and tune in.
One of the people that I think people are going to be really surprised at, who is one of your big fans, I think you're her top on her list, is Alice Walker of Color Purple.
And in the film, you actually go to her home.
She invited you to her home.
It was really an incredible little interview you had there.
Yeah, Alice Walker is a lovely woman.
And, you know, she's been through great challenges in her life and come out the other side.
And, you know, she's an example of a process that's been happening over a long period of time now.
And that is the subjugation, the hijacking, basically, of the left in politics.
Because from her background, Alice Walker would naturally gravitate to the liberal left, as it was called.
But I must say, it's just a bit irritating today When I hear the left, not least in America, but it's the same around the world, called the liberals, they're not liberal.
What's happened is that the left has been hijacked and has turned fascist.
So I grew up on a council estate.
We rented the house from the council.
In Leicester, England.
And we, because of my father and our circumstances, we were coming from the traditional left direction.
So I can talk about this because I've been there.
Because the left in those days was about freedom and Freedom of speech, challenging the imposition of the powerful on the weak, challenging the imposition of the hoarders of the wealth on those that didn't have wealth.
All these things were the very rock pillar foundations of the left in politics.
And what has happened Is that that traditional left has been not only hijacked, but completely inverted.
So you see the pictures, the black and white pictures, you know, when I was a kid in the 60s growing up, the flower power era, you see pictures of massive marches at places of students like Berkeley demanding freedom of speech.
And now you see the alleged left Now the woke left, i.e.
the fast asleep left, that is going on marches and rallies demanding that free speech is deleted.
And the inversion is such that far from challenging wealth and power in its imposition on the population, the woke left is fake left.
Is funded by those very forces of power and the billionaires and the billionaire corporations.
Why? Because the elite have bought the traditional left or bought its transformation and its hijack.
And if you look at the demands of the Great Reset, Which is the elite of the elite, you know, the 1% and beyond, driving this transformation of global society.
It's like a wish list of the woke left.
And why is that?
Because the woke left's being funded.
It's been created. The whole woke mentality has been created by the elite.
And so, classically, you have Black Lives Matter.
They've taken a phrase that few would question, Black Lives Matter.
All lives matter. Oh, God, I've said something racist.
All lives matter. You know it's a scam.
When the ultimate inclusivity, all lives matter, all lives are equally important, is called racist.
You know it's a scam when that happens.
And so you have Black Lives Matter, which is just an elite, what I call the global cult, scam to divide and rule people on the grounds of race.
They don't give a damn about black people.
And of course, you've got trained Marxists that front up the Black Lives Matter, that buy houses to the tune of $3.2 million.
And then you have social media giants, the elite, the billionaires, censoring even Black people.
Who are trying to expose the fact that the Marxist leaders of Black Lives Matter have bought four houses worth $3.2 million.
So you know it's a scam.
And so the woke mentality, although the vast majority will not realize that, are the foot soldiers of the very elite.
They think they are challenging.
And so you see the inversion.
Where the anti-fascists like Antifa act like fascists.
The demands for inclusivity involve excluding anyone that doesn't agree with you.
The whole thing's a massive psyop on overwhelmingly the minds of the young.
And so what's happened is those of the traditional left Who haven't changed their view.
They still believe in freedom of speech and freedom of lifestyle and freedom of opinion.
They haven't changed their view, but they're now considered of the right.
It's been an absolute psyop on the perception of politics, and that's why I find it irritating when I hear today's woke left called liberals.
It's the last thing they are.
Well, 60 Minutes here, a news magazine with CBS has gone after me.
And so I've had CNN go after me.
And so I have a little bit of the feeling of some people call me the American David Icke because the media has come after me.
Well, you must have been saying something right then.
Yeah, yeah. You've got the right people coming after you.
Yeah, exactly. I said, you don't know nothing yet.
Wait till you hear about David and the British media.
And the thing I read in your books that really struck me was the Green Party and the labor not even letting you speak.
And this is a party that you represented.
And that was the hardest thing.
I couldn't believe that when I read that.
I could see the universities who are controlled by the establishment, but the labor party wouldn't even let you speak.
Well, that's a very interesting question because it goes directly on to what I've just been talking about.
I grew up in the old traditional left.
I don't do the left-right political spectrum.
I think it's a diversion, but that's where I come from.
And I've not changed my basic view of life.
I want freedom for people.
I want freedom of lifestyle.
I have a simple philosophy.
Do what you like, so long as you don't impose it on anyone else.
And everyone's agreed, well, you know, go ahead.
But don't impose it on anyone else.
That's when I get interested, when you start trying to impose it on other people.
And, you know, I believe in freedom of opinion.
I mean, I don't want to censor anybody.
Because once you go down that road of censorship, you're leading to a point where someone's deciding what can be said and what can't be said.
What people say and their opinions should be subject to open debate.
And if someone's saying something that's obviously ridiculous or obviously horrible, then that will be shown to be so by the light of public debate.
People who are secure in what they believe, the way they see things, don't want to censor people who have a different opinion because they're confident that they can have their opinion stand up to scrutiny.
So they don't want to censor anybody and they know that...
Once you start censoring people, there's no freedom of speech.
Immediately. There's only the freedom to conform to what people decide you can say.
And that's being squeezed and squeezed and squeezed more and more.
When you're insecure because you don't...
You're not confident that what you're saying and claiming can stand up to open public debate, then you don't want the debate.
You want to censor other opinions, and that's what's happening.
Of course, the woke mentality It's not based on facts.
We live in a post-fact society.
It's based on, this is how it is, because I say this is how it is, and I don't have to justify it to you.
And if you try to challenge me, I'll have you silenced.
This is what we're dealing with.
That's fascism. And so my views have not changed.
But in that sense, you know, where I'm coming from, freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of lifestyle, freedom of opinion.
But the left has moved into this woke mentality.
It's long taken over the Green parties.
It's now taken over the so-called left parties.
My God, has it taken over the Democratic Party in America, which is fascist, not left.
And it's taken over the Labour Party to the point where the Labour Party in Britain, which is the kind of equivalent, if you like, of the...
Of the Democratic Party and the Conservative Party in this country is basically the equivalent, well, in theory, but not really anymore, of the Republican Party.
But we've got a situation now where the British government, Conservative Party government of Boris Johnson, just a figurehead reading the script these days, Has imposed fascism, quite blatant fascism on Britain.
And the Labour Party, the left, the opposition, has not challenged the fascism.
It's actually said that fascism is not fascist enough.
It wanted more extreme measures.
And so you have this irony.
Where I'm coming from the traditional left values of freedom, freedom of opinion, freedom of speech, freedom of lifestyle.
And I'm coming from the absolute non-racist view of life.
Which is that beyond all the labels of race and religion and sexuality, which are brief human experiences, we are all expressions of the same consciousness.
We're all points of attention, unique points of attention, that's what's great about it, within a sea of consciousness, awareness.
And therefore, at that level, we're all each other.
So I'm the one saying that to judge people by the body vehicle through which this consciousness experiences this tiny band of frequencies we call the world, It's ridiculous.
You know, racism is not just unpleasant.
Racism is the confirmation that you do not understand reality.
What you focus on in terms of the body is simply the vehicle for consciousness to express itself, to experience this reality.
Because consciousness is operating on a frequency that couldn't interact with this band of frequencies we call the world.
So we need a vehicle that is within this band of frequency so we can interact with it.
So I can tap these keys and pick up my glasses because I have a vehicle, an outer vehicle that is within the frequency band of what I'm experiencing.
So that's what it is.
And to focus attention on that is to focus attention on the vehicle, the experience, the means of experience, and not realize the true I, which is consciousness.
So where I'm coming from is the ultimate non-racism.
But these wokers try and have done since the 1990s, my God, it's been going on so long, to promote me as some kind of racist.
And again, we come to this inversion.
When you get a vehement anti-racist, every time, not now and again, every time, you're looking in the eyes of racism.
Because what's an anti-racist, this obsessed, woke, anti-racist mentality do?
It judges people by their race!
And so you get not just the woke mentality claiming to be anti-fascist while acting like fascists, They claim to be anti-racist when they are massively fundamentally racist.
Because if you judge anyone as a group Or even as an individual, by the colour of their skin, that's racism.
But we've reached a point now because this elite that controls the woke mentality, indeed created it, wants to divide society on the grounds of race, divide and rule the classic means of the few controlling the many.
We have a situation where if you say anything about any race, That's racism and you will cancel culture.
But say what you bloody like about a white person and it doesn't matter.
They have no protection under political correctness.
Say what you bloody like. Now where I'm coming from is we're all expressions of the same consciousness.
Whatever the color of your skin, it's just a vehicle, a very brief vehicle, to experience this reality, and then you're out into the realms of consciousness again.
So, to judge someone because they're white, just by definition, or to judge someone because they're black or Asian or whatever, truly by definition, is the same racism.
And this is what the woke mentality can't get because it's not meant to get it.
It's the targeting of the white race.
Why? Well, I'm not a Christian.
I don't follow any religion.
But, you know, if we're going to understand, and indeed if we believe in fairness, then we need to be dispassionate In the way we look at things, things that maybe we don't agree with some of it, I would agree with some of that I wouldn't, but you judge it on the basis of is it right?
Is it fair? Is it just?
Is it inclusive?
So I look at the attacks on white people and on not least white men.
Apparently we're all toxic masculinity.
And I see racism.
But then I ask, okay, why?
Well, what's happening is this global cult is targeting Western society.
It wants to transform Western society, completely destroy it.
And if you want to destroy a society, do you target the smaller racial groups, or do you target the preeminent one?
You target the preeminent one, because if you can bring that down and you can subjugate that, You have transformed that society.
And then you say, okay, what are the pillars of this society that hold it together that we want to destroy?
And although, you know, a lot of people have moved away from Christianity, Christianity because of history, not just in America, but in Europe, big time, Christianity, because of the history and the way Western society has evolved, Christianity still weaves through the structure of Western society in so many ways.
It's like, you know, the royal family in Britain, indeed the Commonwealth, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.
The royal family is weaved, the monarchy is weaved through the structure of those societies.
And so what we're seeing is one, The major racial group in the West is being targeted.
Two, you can't say anything about other religions, otherwise it's politically incorrect.
Say what you like about Christianity.
Anything goes.
Anything goes white people, white men.
And then you look at the royal family, which has been, like I say, we through...
You pull the monarchy out of British society, for instance, all the pillars fall.
You know, we don't have a government in Britain.
We have Her Majesty's government.
We don't have an opposition party in Britain.
We have Her Majesty's most loyal opposition.
That's what it's called. We have Her Majesty's tax office, Her Majesty's border police, Her Majesty's everything.
So it's all based on the monarchy.
So you pull the monarchy out.
And the whole thing has to be redesigned.
There has to be a great reset.
And what's happening at the same time that white people are being targeted on an anything-goes basis and Christianity is being targeted, so is the British royal family.
And, you know, this Prince Philip has just gone.
And I'm no supporter of the British royal family.
Read my books, you'll see that.
But I think it's about being dispassionate.
And seeing why things are happening.
Not just that they're happening, but why they're happening.
And the royal families coming out of history have been very, very good for this global cult because they've centralized power.
I mean, in the monarchy, it was...
Rule by succession.
And still today, the head of state in Britain, staggeringly, is the monarch who hasn't seen a ballot box in her life.
But with this great reset, this great reset is a global society.
They're targeting Christianity now, because it's a pillar of Western society.
They're targeting the white race now for the same reasons.
But on the basis of, first they came for the socialists, and I was not a socialist, so I did nothing.
Then they came for the, and it goes on, so eventually they came for the Jews.
I was not a Jew, so I did nothing.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.
It's Christianity now, but it will be picking off the other religions after that, and it's picking off other racial groups after that, because what they want is a—this is what the Great Reset is—it's a global monoculture.
Where all the different diverse cultures of the world are coagulated into one blob culture with a one world government, one world central bank, one world army, one world currency, which I've been writing about since the early 90s and look what's happened.
That's a non-cash digital currency and The creation of a one-world religion which would be worshipping the dark forces, shall we say, that the cult actually worship in their various rituals.
So to create this monoculture, you have to pick off diversity.
You have to pick off uniqueness.
And that's what they're doing.
And it's like you see, it's the white people now and Christianity and the monarchy's going because it's...
In terms of the cult, it's reached the point where it's done as much as it can do, and it has to go now because this monoculture is coming in, this centralized global culture.
But once that's achieved, if we allow it, they'll start picking off other racial groups and other Other religions as well.
And that's where it's going.
And so we draw a line in the sand now and we come together realizing that we're all in the gun sights of the same force, no matter what we may call ourselves or what we may see when we look in the mirror.
And, you know, a few can't control billions unless brilliance allow it.
Or we go on being divided and ruled And eventually the knot will come on our door.
Well, Mr.
Ike, I want to thank you very much for spending this hour with us.
And it's been a pleasure for our audience.
I would encourage anybody who hasn't seen the movie, Renegade, to go see it.
I see the iconic productions, I believe, made that movie.
And does your books as well.
And check that out.
I just want to leave it with you on two scenes from the movie.
One, you're on a London bus and you're going by Piccadilly and Trafalgar and Westminster and all that.
And it's just the funniest thing.
People don't see you as the comedian, but you're really having a good time.
You're saying hi to other people on other other buses.
And then the other one is you go back to Leicester.
I think you're on the... Is it the River Sour there in the...
The Sour, yeah. Sour, Sour, the Sour, yeah.
And not Sour, Sour.
It's the English language.
It kind of looks a bit like Sour, but it's pronounced Sour.
Yeah, okay. We're divided by a common language.
And anyway, those two scenes, I think, show the lighter side of...
I mean, everyone knows the intellectual side of David Icke and the kind of...
You know, the mind expansion side of you.
But I think those two things are fun vignettes in the film.
Well, you've got to laugh.
When you laugh, you can't be frightened.
You can't laugh and be frightened at the same time.
And, you know, I think what we need is a lot of laughter.
And to see the magnitude within which what is happening is happening.
We are experiencing a challenge within a tiny band of frequency we call the human world, the only world at the scene, which is absolutely tiny.
The band of frequency that we can decode into a visual world is so small it's laughable.
But what we are is consciousness.
And potentially, if we want to open ourselves, we are all consciousness.
You know, you can limit yourself to this.
Bit of consciousness. And you'll see the world in a certain way.
And you'll see yourself in a certain way.
But you can expand your awareness into the great beyond.
And you can access all that insight, that knowledge, that awareness, that intuitive knowing.
And you can see yourself and what you're experiencing in a totally different way.
And laughter is a very, very powerful thing.
Not least in this way.
Maybe another time we could go into the nature of the consciousness that's behind this cult, but it's incredibly insecure.
In fact, in The perceptions of a renegade mind.
I do go into this towards the end, this level of it.
Because once you go into this level of it, suddenly the world, oh my God, I see it now!
There's a consciousness.
It's a very distorted...
Inverted, that's why we see so much inversion, and chaotic consciousness.
And all through the different cultures, they all have a different name for it.
One of the Native American names for it is Wotiko.
The Gnostic name for it was Archons or Yaldebeov.
And so you see this recurring theme And if you look at Christianity, they call this consciousness the devil and Satan.
The secret societies call it Lucifer and other names, the light bringer.
It's this consciousness and it's very inverted and it's very chaotic and very stupid.
And the way it manipulates humanity, because when you're in that state of awareness, you're operating on a particular frequency and to say the least it's not a high one.
So if you're going to impact yourself upon a target population, you have to bring them into the frequency band that you are in.
So there's an attachment.
There's a frequency connection that can take place.
So this can start influencing you.
And when we talk about psychopaths, Or super psychopaths like Bill Gates, Antony Fauci, and all these others.
Kissinger, you mentioned.
They are what he called, possessed.
They are this consciousness expressing itself.
That's why they have no empathy.
They have no compassion.
And they have no emotional consequence for whatever horror they impose because they are of this consciousness which has no empathy, which has no compassion and so on.
And the personality type we call psychopaths are this consciousness.
But this consciousness is incredibly insecure.
I mean, I've studied this now for 31 years.
It's very, very insecure.
That's why it wants to control everything.
If it was involved in a football match, it would have to control both sides and the referee.
So it would know the outcome.
It would know the score before the game starts because it's too insecure to sit in the stand influencing one side but not knowing what the outcome is going to be.
It wants to control everything through its insecurity.
And it's insecurity.
And you see this played through the Wetiko authorities, whether it's a lot of law enforcement and officialdom and all these people.
That insecurity demands that they are taken seriously.
It demands that you are in awe of them.
It demands that you are subordinate to them.
And I tell you from a lot of experiences, when you look at these people and you laugh, When they say, oh, you know, I'm the power, you just laugh.
What are you standing there in fancy dress for?
What have you got that face nappy on for?
What are you doing? If you don't fall into that sense of awe, and there's been one or two videos I put on davidite.com recently which have been taken by members of the public in interactions with the police, and they're interactions where In some cases, they know the law more than the police do.
But also, the common theme is they are not in awe or intimidated by the police.
And so they're not doing anything unlawful, but they're doing something different.
And because, you know, this mentality has to have everything in its place, it's part of its insecurity.
So when something's happening that is not kind of unlawful, but it's just different, They can't just leave it.
They have to respond to it because it's different.
And there's been a number of videos recently where someone's been doing something that's a bit different, maybe filming outside a police station or doing this or whatever.
And the police have come over and what they should have done is, look, this guy's obviously not a threat to anybody.
He's just going about with his camera.
So I'm just going to get on with my life.
But they can't. They can't, especially when the interaction starts and the person with the camera is not intimidated by the police.
Because what you see happening is that the police won't let go.
The police officer won't let go.
You can't just see that the guy's no threat and it's not a problem.
Have a nice day. And they go off.
No, they can't leave it.
They can't leave it because the dynamic is that this person's not intimidated by me.
But my mentality, I have to be seen as superior.
I have to.
My insecurity says I must be superior.
I'm told that because I have a uniform on, I am superior to you, the public.
This is the dynamic that's been indoctrinated into these people over a period of time.
And because of that, they won't let go.
They keep going on and on and on, trying to keep this thing going until there's a point reached where the police officer takes the superior position and starts to have power over the person there.
They're interacting with. And it's funny watching these videos where that point of superiority never comes.
Because this person is always not in awe of what they're doing, what they are.
And so the conversation goes on and on and on and on.
And it's kept going by the police officer trying to reach this point of superiority.
And it's all about...
Intimidation, a sense of superiority, which is a sense of insecurity.
Only insecurity wants power over people.
Secure people don't want power over anyone else.
They want everyone else to have the freedom to express themselves in this true freedom, true lifestyle, true opinion world.
They don't want power over.
Insecurity wants power over.
And if you break down So that mentality, that, you know, I've got a uniform on, so I'm superior to you.
If you break down the narcissistic personality, which you find a lot, well, almost entirely, awash across this elite, Behind it is insecurity.
And their security is in us being intimidated by them and being in awe of them.
And when we're not, they're completely and utterly disarmed because we've taken the power away simply by not giving our power to them.
They become superior when we say, here's my power because you're superior.
When we don't say that, because it's not true, you'll see that they're not the powerful people they think they are.
And if you break down this whole situation that we're in, indeed, look at the entire history of the human race.
Known human history. And you'll see exactly the same dynamic repeating generation after generation after generation to the point we are now.
And that is the public perceive authority has power because that's what they're told.
Doesn't matter what era it is, what historical setting it is, it's the same dynamic.
Those in authority have power.
So In that belief, we give our power to authority to tell us what to do and to tell us what we can do and can't do and all the other stuff.
And then they recycle the power we've given to them back on us.
And what is that power?
It's our acquiescence to authority.
It's our acquiescence to power.
That's how we give our power away.
We acquiesce to it.
We acquiesce to authority.
And so suddenly, authority, which are a tiny, tiny few people, compared with the billions that they're imposing their will upon, can impose that will because the billions acquiesce to that will.
And that dynamic is simply humans giving their power to authority And then thinking authority has power, like self-fulfilling prophecy, because authority then imposes that back on us.
And when we break that feedback loop by the power of no, I'm not doing it.
I'm not acquiescing to your diktats.
You persuade me why, with evidence, I should do this, and I'll consider it.
But I'm not doing it just because you, in a fancy dress or some dark suit official, tells me I've got to do it.
I'm not going to do it just because you tell me.
Suddenly, You start to see that authority has no power at all.
All along, it's been our power given away to authority, which we perceive as authority's power.
They have none except that what we give it.
So someone comes out the White House or Downing Street or wherever and says, OK, this is what's going to happen.
All these COVID rules...
They have their briefings.
Oh, this is what's going to happen now.
But it only happens because people say, well, you know, it's contradictory, it makes no sense, but it's the law.
So I acquiesce to it, even though I know it's nonsense.
And so authority has power through my acquiescence.
Fascists never impose fascism.
There's never enough of them.
Fascism, communism, Marxism, tyranny is always imposed by the population acquiescing to that tyranny.
And that's what's happened in the last more than a year over COVID. And that's where we are now and why we are now.
And if we're going to bring an end to it, we don't have to find a solution.
We have to remove the cause of the problem.
And the cause of the problem is humanity has been giving its power away to authority throughout known human history, believing that authority has power, not recognizing that authority's power is the power we give to it.
We need to stop giving it away and then it can't be recycled back against us.
And with that, we'll see where the real power is and has been all along.
Not with the few, with the many.
We have a couple of journalists, young up-and-coming journalists that are part of Neighborhood News that have made those videos that you're talking about, and where they have those conversations.
And you have a conversation like that outside of Buckingham Palace, I think, with a couple of the guards.
So people watch that in the movie.
We may have one of those young up-and-comers named Addie Ads come over to England and interview you just because our American audience just loves David Icke.
So, and let's follow up when your book comes out when we can talk a little bit more about this and explore this kind of power structure a little bit more.
Yeah, you know, People ask, you know, what do we do?
What's the answer? The answer is so simple.
It's so simple.
And it's been staring us in the face throughout known human history.
And maybe now, in the circumstances, extreme circumstances that we're faced with, we may in enough numbers now realise that we've been conned all along.
We've been the power.
And authority has...
Has been the one without the power.
And when we stop giving it away, it's over.
And we can get on with our lives and interact in a spirit of mutual respect for someone else's opinion, someone else's view, someone else's lifestyle.
And we can all express our uniqueness, but all get on and have a...
A world of harmony and peace and love and joy and all these things because it's just a choice.
When I came on this show just now, you know, we could have had an argument.
We could have had a conflict because we chose that.
But we chose not to have that.
We chose not to do that.
So we've had a lovely chat.
And we've had a lovely chat because this is two people coming from a certain point of perception, which leads to a lovely chat.
But two other people coming from a different point of attention.
You see this a lot in the mainstream media, of course.
And we could have had a bloody argument.
And the only difference between the two is the perceptions of the people involved and you know people say well what can we do because it's all too difficult and if people think only about what we call the physical world it's not really physical at all it's another illusion but anyway then you think in terms of physical things To change a physical world.
So it's like, I want to make a difference about what's going on in the world.
So what do we do? Well, let's start an organization and someone can take the minutes and then we'll have a discussion and all that stuff.
And you think in terms of physical action.
But what is the world?
The world is simply the sum total of human perception made manifest.
Because perception becomes behavior.
We behave the way we do because of our perceptions.
And collectively, human perception becomes human behavior, and collectively it becomes human society, what we call human society.
So it's not some long, drawn-out process that has to be gone through, like in the physical world, then we do this, and then we'll do that, and we'll have this organization.
All that takes care of itself once perception changes.
And that's all we need to do, is change our perception of ourselves, of reality, and of world events.
Change our behavior, which comes from a change of perception.
And collectively, human society must change, because human society is just a projection.
Of human perception.
So you've got human perception now, which buys the government lies, and is living a certain experience because of it, and behaving in a certain way because of it.
And you've got others who are not buying the lies and they are living a different life and having different experiences as a result of it.
It's just perception.
So it's not some long drawn out or it's going to take centuries to change this.
It's not. We change perception.
We change the world because the world is perception made manifest.
It's so simple.
So the answers are not out there.
The answers are not out there.
This is the big illusion.
They want us to think the answers are out there because we'll never find them out there.
Because human society is a projection of in here, a collective projection of in here.
So it's like looking to change a movie by standing on the stage screaming at the movie screen.
You can't change the movie when it's at the screen.
You've got to change what's projecting the movie onto the screen, human society, and then you'll change the movie.
And so this is where we change the movie.
We change ourselves. And that can happen overnight, can happen in an instant.
And so I remain greatly, greatly encouraged that that transformation can take place in enough people to bring this nonsense to an end.
And I look at the world now, I look at what's going on, and I should not be optimistic in terms of the way this is moving on.
But I am, because there are other forces at work, and they're much more powerful than Bill Gates.
Well, there you have it, ladies and gentlemen, a great message of hope by David Icke and some practical street journalism that you could do to show others that you can have that kind of courage and also laughter.
David Icke, thank you very much for your time, sir, and we'll see you again soon.
Thank you. Thank you.
Okay, there you have it, ladies and gentlemen, David Icke, and we're going to be signing off now.
We'll hopefully have him back when his book comes out.
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