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April 14, 2021 - David Icke
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Messages From The Underground - David Icke Talks To Paul Seils
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🎵 Outro Music 🎵 Hi guys, Paul Seals here with a very special guest that
doesn't really need any introduction.
David Icke, thank you for joining us.
Pleasure, Paul. I just want to check in first, David, how are you?
And you're obviously based in the UK and want to check in on the conditions and how you're doing and how your family, et cetera, is at the moment.
We're doing good.
What you have to do is get on with your life and not allow fascism to dictate it.
We carry on not doing what they said we must do because You cannot compromise with fascism.
You cannot appease fascism because fascism will always want more, however much you appease it.
So we've come from the point of view that you can stick it and the consequences will be what they are or won't.
But no compromise with fascism because once you compromise a bit, Then something dies in you and you start to compromise some more and compromise some more.
I think it's very important that people just say, no, I'm not going to do it.
And if enough people did that, It would be unenforceable, of course, which is why they're trying to divide in rulers between those who have a mind of their own and those that just believe anything a lying fascistic government tells them is true or tells them to do.
We've had a situation in Britain which is, you know, it's the same all over the world, but really because it's centrally coordinated.
And that's that they are trying to keep people in a situation of lockdown for as long as they can.
And they did this last year too, to eat that lockdown as much as possible into the summer,
which is absolutely what they're doing.
And then to have as little time left between easing the lockdown, not coming out of it, and when they kick in with their, oh, we've got a fourth wave now.
It's coming in September, August.
Yeah, so no summer then.
Yeah, okay. Because the idea is to...
Finish off what's left of independent business and income so everyone becomes dependent on the state.
And to do that, you've got to keep those businesses closed for as long as you possibly can.
And, you know, it's almost laughable how easy it is to predict what these people are going to do.
It's just laughable.
And because it's centrally coordinated, the same things are happening everywhere, of course.
Yeah. David, we had the pleasure of catching up in Australia.
I think it was approximately circa 2016.
And you've done several trips to Australia and also to Uluru with a dear friend of ours, Adam Davis as well.
I'm giving a shout out to him and his family.
Yeah, that was before they banned me.
Yes. What was his name?
David Coleman. Yeah, the immigration minister.
I tell you, I was supposed to speak in six Australian cities in, what was it, 2019?
2019, yeah.
When I would have talked about all the things that were planned, obviously.
And, you know, within a year, it was full-blown happening in Australia and everywhere else.
Because, like I say, these people are completely predictable.
You know, you look at Aldous Huxley in 1932, Brave New World.
You look at George Orwell, 1948, 1984.
And you look at people, insiders that I've quoted in my books over the years.
And, you know, how could they be so accurate?
Because these events are not random.
They're planned. They've been planned in a very, very long time.
And, you know, it's even been planned down to what's known as the reframing.
In other words, the mind manipulation, perception manipulation of law enforcement and those in officialdom.
Which is why I've been tracking for maybe 20 years now the blatant transformation of the dynamic between law enforcement and officialdom and the public from being in any kind of public service to being the public being the enemy.
And all this has been Prepared for so that even the mentality of officialdom and, you know, the administrators of the conspiracy rather than the instigators of it is the kind of mentality that will just do it without even thinking about it.
Yeah, yeah. And you're no stranger to controversy and I acknowledged you in the previous I know a lot of people that are coming through at the moment that are going through their levels of awakening are having difficulties and challenges in relation to I mean, you've been a shining example of that for humanity.
What's your advice for people that are having that experience at the moment, that are not acquiescing, that are not seceding, that are not consenting?
What's your advice in relation to people that are having that experience at this point in time around the world?
Well, first of all, it is just an experience.
We in True Eye are consciousness, an expression of eternal, exploring forever, forever consciousness.
This is just a brief experience in a ridiculously narrow band of frequency called visible light.
And if you look at what I've been writing about over the years, and In relation to what's the bottom line for this, what I call global cult that's behind all this, it is to manipulate people to self-identify the I with the labels of a human life.
So if you say to people, Who are you?
They'll give you their name.
They'll give you their life story, maybe.
They'll give you their job.
They'll give you maybe their sexuality these days.
They'll give you all these labels, which I call collectively phantom self.
And they'll associate those with being who they are.
But that's not who they are.
That's what they are experiencing.
It's what who they are is experiencing.
So I'm not David Icke.
That's my experience in a brief exploration of this tiny band of frequency.
I am the consciousness that is having that experience.
Now, this is important in my view because What happens is you start to play the long game and you don't get pulled in to the delusion of the five senses.
Because what this cult wants to do is disconnect five sense perception, five sense Point of attention from the greater self.
Because once you've done that, once you've isolated the five senses, if you like, you can then program them by control of information, education system, et cetera, with the perceptions that suit your agenda.
This has been just so blatantly done since the COVID era began.
And what they don't want is for you to have another fix on reality, to be in this world with the five senses, but not to be of this world with the greater self.
And as you expand your awareness, how do you do that?
You expand your self-identity.
You know, your sense of self is dictating your Range of consciousness that you're accessing.
So if you think you're little me, then what you're doing is you're so focused in the five senses, or you wouldn't perceive yourself like that, that you are disconnecting an influence from the enormity of...
Consciousness that is there for you to tap into.
And so you will be dominated by, can I see it, touch it, taste it, hear it?
Okay, it exists then.
But when you self-identify as being the consciousness that's having the experience, then because you're Sense of self-identity expands to I am consciousness, infinite awareness.
That automatically expands the range of consciousness that you are tapping into.
And then the world looks a completely different place.
Suddenly, things that frightened you in the five cents alone state don't frighten you anymore, like authority, like people in uniform wearing face nappies.
I mean, I'm supposed to take law enforcement seriously when it's going around with a nappy on its face.
I mean, you know, I can't take you seriously, Mr.
Police Officer, until you take yourself seriously and take that stupid thing off.
So, one of the things that happens when you...
When you open this and you go out there and start to tap into a much greater range of consciousness, you know, this is not me like the Buddha sitting on a cross-legged on a mountain.
Anyone could do this. It's our natural state.
It's what we should be doing.
But once you do, you don't think of consequences.
By that I don't mean you walk in front of a truck not thinking of the consequences of, you know, what's going to happen.
I mean consequences for doing what you believe is right.
Once you enter this realm of expanded awareness, the consequences that would stop you doing what you believe to be right simply don't enter the equation.
You just do it.
And the consequences take care of themselves.
But to consider this level of awareness would never consider...
Not doing what it knows to be right.
Because it's just not where it's coming from.
And when you open your heart, your heart vortex, and you get out there, which is the greatest way of getting out there.
In fact, it's fundamental to getting out there.
Then you enter a realm where you don't have fear like the five senses do.
You know that you are having a brief experience within all that is, has been, and ever can be.
And therefore, you have challenges.
So there's things happening that maybe you wouldn't like for doing what you know to be right, but it's just an experience.
So I'm absolutely not going to give up my self-respect Just to acquiesce to some bloke in a face nappy or some dark suit.
It's not going to happen.
So it's self-identity for me that transforms everything.
Am I my labels?
And that's all I am.
Or am I the consciousness having those experiences?
And the latter sees the world in a completely different way.
And one of the great things that happen when you start to expand is you start to see connections and not dots.
The five senses alone just see dots.
Everything's apart from everything else.
But once you start expanding, and like I say, anyone can do it.
It's just a choice. Then you start to see how the dots are mere aspects of a gigantic pattern.
And when you see the pattern, when you see the forest instead of only the twigs, then everything changes because the world looks a completely different place.
Yeah, absolutely.
Can I just ask you as well, for the people that perhaps have been uninitiated that haven't been exposed to your body of work previously, when you reference the cult, what do you mean by the cult?
Well, you can pick this up, well, in the way we perceive time anyway, thousands of years ago.
In places like Babylon, Egypt, Sumer, pre-Babylon, and other parts of the world.
And you can follow it through history, through the Roman Empire.
The Roman Empire was a cult operation.
And what the cult is, is a network of secret societies that have an interlocking leadership Of course, long ago it started off in a relatively small way, and there were individual kind of expressions of it in different areas.
But as the world has become more and more centralized, not least through the empires of Europe, The empires of Europe were the exportation of this cult to right across the world.
Because it came out of the Roman Empire, which went up into Northern Europe, of course.
And eventually, Europe became its center, not least Rome for a long time, and then big time London.
And Rome, via the Vatican, is still a massive center for it.
And then you had this explosion of colonization where all these different countries of Europe, Britain, the most prominent, of course, expanded all over the world.
And the cult went with it.
The cult was driving it.
And this cult was becoming more and more of a global phenomenon.
And then when we had what appeared to be a withdrawal, Of colonial control, whether it's Africa or any other part of the world, America, Canada, what was left out in those countries was the cult networks and the prominent families that are running the cult network in their sphere of influence in their country.
And what emerged was a Which we have now is like a global spider's web with a spider at the center.
The spider is overwhelmingly in Europe, funny enough, not European governments.
They're just gophers for the cult, as we've seen in the last year.
But I mean, the secret society center.
And it centrally dictates to the rest of the web.
So you will have the spider at the center, which no one ever really sees.
It's hidden deep in the shadows.
The strands in the web immediately around the spider are the most exclusive secret societies.
And if you're a member of those, or certainly the inner core of those, then you big time know what's going on and what's planned.
And then you come out from the spider and you start to hit the secret societies that we do know of, the Freemasons, that's the inner core of them, the Opus Dei, the Jesuit order, the inner core of that, the Knights Templar, the Knights of Malta and so on.
And then eventually you meet a cusp, as I call it.
And there you meet a load of organisations.
This is the cusp between the hidden And the scene.
And in these cusps are organizations like the Bilderberg Group, the Council on Foreign Relations in America, the Trilateral Commission.
These are semi-secret groups in the sense that people know they exist, but actually what they're about and what their motivation is, is kept as hidden as possible.
And also in this cusp region are an absolute enormity of what are called think tanks and NGOs and such like.
And their job, this cusp level, is to take the agenda being dictated from the spider and to play it out into the world of the scene.
And then you move into the world of the scene and you're looking at governments, government agencies, the banking system, corporations, the media at ownership level, etc.
And what appears in the world of the scene, although increasingly less so as it becomes more obvious, is that all these organizations are Working independently of each other.
They are in and of themselves.
Well, to most of the people working in them, that appears to be the case.
But if you go to the inner core of these organizations, they have an interlocking leadership.
I'll give you a quote COVID example of that.
The World Health Organization was created by the Rockefeller family predominantly in 1948 to gain control of global health policy under one roof, which they of course achieved.
And so you've got the World Health Organization in the COVID era dictating the whole response basically to this nonsense they've invented.
And at the same time, In Silicon Valley, you have your Facebooks and your Twitters and your Googles and your YouTubes who actually came out early on and said it.
They are going to, or are now, censor Any challenge to the World Health Organization narrative and the National Health Network narratives, which are simply a national version of the World Health Organization narrative, which is coordinating it all.
And people might say, well, why would they do that?
Why would Silicon Valley want a sense of people criticizing or questioning the World Health Organization?
Because Silicon Valley is owned by the cult.
You know, I look at these people like Brennan Page at Google and Susan Wachiski at YouTube and Mark Zuckerberg at Facebook and Jack Dorsey.
Jack Dorsey's running Twitter.
I love it. And you...
They're just front people.
They're not running it.
They're running it on behalf of this global cult.
And so they are serving the goal of the cult, global control via this COVID hoax, by making sure that the nonsensical Intelligence insulting for a child, World Health Organization narrative, is not demolished in the public arena as much as they can stop it because the World Health Organization, Bill Gates, Antony Fauci, etc.,
of the COVID story is so ludicrous, so demolishable by a modicum of research, that the only way
they're going to protect it is by censoring people exposing it.
And that's why we've had this explosion of censorship.
But the point is, the coordinating force is this cult.
So, you then have corporations making decisions on what they're going to do and what they're not going to do based on the same cult agenda.
And it seems like, oh, you know, these corporations that...
Like to think that they're or like to claim that they're woke.
In other words, social justice warriors, which is not what woke is, really.
It's fascist mindset.
But they they they claim to, you know, we stand up for social justice and all that.
So why would people like George Soros, who has said publicly that he never looks at the social implications of what he does in his financial life?
Because he's only there to make money.
Why would he be putting tens of billions into woke, apparently social justice organizations?
Because he's a servant of the cult as well.
And so is Gates.
And what happens is that they are, through their service to the cult, not least Gates, able to accumulate vast amounts of money.
But it comes with a rider.
And that is that great chunks of that money have to be spent in areas that advance the cult agenda.
And so they have this front of philanthropy.
So you have the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
And I tell you, I've just finished a book which is going to come out in a couple of months about current events.
And I virtually found no one Of significance in the entire medical network of the world, the key people, who is not beholding to Gates funding.
I'll tell you how deep it goes.
There's a...
A scientist who has been very vocal about the dangers of masks and the uselessness of masks in terms of what they claim to do.
And he's been putting his articles in his papers on a website called ResearchGate.
And ResearchGate is where academics put their papers and articles about these various subjects.
And he's just been banned from it for criticizing masks.
And who funded ResearchGate into existence?
Bill Gates. Everywhere you look is his money.
And this is how it works.
Soros' specialization for the cult is funding woke organizations like Black Lives Matter, which really should be called Don't Give a Damn About Black Lives.
If you look at their background, one of their co-founders, who claims to be a trained Marxist,
has just bought a $1.4 million house in a massively white area where only 1.6% of the
population are black.
So these people are complete bloody frauds, and it's all to do with divide and rule.
So this cult, this web, is the cement that pulls it all together.
So that in the world of the seen, all these people and organizations seem to be random
and in and of themselves, when actually it's all very carefully coordinated.
And that's how they've been able to pull off the COVID hoax by imposing basically the same response in every country.
Yeah. Can I ask you a little bit more about as well, about what started this cult, its motivation and spiritual orientation?
Well, that's deep stuff.
I've gone into this in this new book, actually.
I've just finished that chapter.
Wonderful. Just gone off to go into production.
I picked up a long time ago now...
What I'm looking for all the time is I'm looking for sources.
So what I mean by that is I'll look at Facebook and I'll see Zuckerberg fronting it up.
But my question is, OK, but what's the source that's controlling Facebook?
And then you go deep beyond Zuckerberg into these other areas.
So I asked that question about this cult.
What is the source that's actually driving it?
And the synchronicity in my life in the last 31 years has been extraordinary.
I mean, I couldn't have done it without that synchronicity that's just brought me information in a very coordinated way.
It's been quite staggering sometimes.
And that synchronicity led me to see that if you strip away everything, strip away all the corporations, strip away all the personalities, strip away all the form, and what you're left with, and of course there are differences, subtle differences, there are shades of grey, but if we keep it simple, what we're looking at is two states of consciousness.
That are tussling for what this world should be.
What's been so clear and ever more clear in this COVID era is how these different states of consciousness have manifested.
You've got one state of consciousness that wants freedom Balance, fairness, and respect for people's right to have choices.
And if you look at, not necessarily every last person, but you look at the overwhelming majority of what I call pushbackers against this fascism, this COVID thing.
The nose is itching like crazy.
And so you are looking at this consciousness that I... I've just described.
And then you have another consciousness which is deeply disturbed, deeply distorted and deeply chaotic and so distorted that basically it's an inversion of this state of consciousness.
And so when it plays out, everything it does is inverted.
And for instance, a very simple level of it, what's an inversion of the truth?
It's lies. And anything that is operating, anyone that's operating, by influence of this consciousness, is going to be someone who freely lies.
So, I mean...
Bill Gates, I rest my case, he is absolutely an expression of this consciousness.
One of the inversions is the inversion of life itself.
So this consciousness is obsessed with death, which is an inversion of life.
And it's...
It inverts everything, so it expresses itself through Satanism.
And if you look at the symbolism of Satanism, the inverted cross, the inverted pentagram, everything's inverted.
Yes. And you look all over the world, you keep seeing inversion.
So this woke mentality has been funded and manipulated into existence over several generations now by this cult, by this consciousness.
And so if you look at the woke mentality, everything it does is an inversion.
It talks about being anti-fascist while it It behaves like fascists.
It talks about being anti-racism or anti-racist when it is fundamentally racist in its actions and its attitudes.
And I've come across mentions, descriptions of this consciousness in many and various forms in cultures all over the world, because if you break it down, Everywhere they have this concept of a force That wants, you know, peace, love and all that and a force that doesn't.
In Christianity, it's God and Satan.
In Islam, it's something else.
They call this force the djinn.
And in the writings of the Gnostic people back in Egypt hundreds of years ago, they called this force the archons.
And I came across in the last year, A Native American concept, which is exactly the same.
And they call this, or the Cree do anyway, it's called different names by different tribes, but the Cree call it Wetiko.
Wetiko is described in exactly the terms that I'm talking about.
You find the same description all over the world in that it's this distorted, chaotic, inverted state of consciousness.
And if you drop into its layer, you allow it to attach to you at its most extreme.
That's what we call in our world psychopaths.
Psychopaths have no empathy, they have no compassion, and they lie on the basis of what do I have to say for me to get what I want in this moment.
Now, if you take those three things alone, look at Bill Gates, look at Anthony Fauci, look at all the people in the different countries that have been driving this COVID hoax, and you'll see those three things.
No empathy, no compassion.
I say what I need to say, whatever it may be, to get what I want in the moment.
So you look at all the changing narrative of the COVID narrative.
They're constantly changing it because they'll say something here, which means they get what they want here.
But if they need to say something the opposite here to get what they want here, then they'll say that.
And so you see all these contradictions going on in terms of what we're told to believe.
So they want people to have this fake vaccine, this medical procedure.
And so they say, we'll go back to normal if you get vaccinated.
Some people get vaccinated, naively.
I say vaccinated, fake vaccine.
And then they get vaccinated and they say, OK, well, we're back to normal now.
Oh, actually, no.
No, no, no, no.
You've still got to wear your mask. You've still got to social distance.
You can't see granny and all this stuff.
By the way, if you don't have one of our vaccine passports, then you won't be able to do anything.
So what we're seeing is unfolding as a script.
This is why it's so predictable.
And so what I need to get this part of the script in place, I need to say this.
Ah, but to get this part of the script in place, I need to say the opposite.
And this is what goes on.
And psychopaths, the Wetiko consciousness, as I would call it, are absolutely at ease with doing that because they have no conscience.
And to understand What we're dealing with is to understand the level of evil, what I call the absence of love, that we're dealing with.
And this consciousness, we take our consciousness, is absolutely evil by that definition.
It has no love.
And if people just look, look in the eyes of Bill Gates.
There's no vibrance.
There's no life. Mr.
Dead Eyes, I call him. He's got no warmth.
He's Wetiko.
A classic expression of it.
And that's what this cult is.
And the idea, the goal, is to manipulate the human race to also be absorbed into this Wetiko consciousness.
And it's kind of interesting when you look at the The blatant nature of the different directions that people are going, where you've got those that want freedom and all that I've talked about, but you've got another section of society.
Because I've studied this over the years, they're going deeper and deeper into this Watiko consciousness.
We had this example this week.
Well, I think it's extraordinary.
When the volcano was erupting on St.
Vincent in the Caribbean, and they were taking people off the island to another island for safety on cruise ships, but only the vaccinated.
The unvaccinated have been banned from the cruise ships.
Taking people to safety.
I mean, that is stripping, not only stripping, you know, intelligence, it's stripping humanity from people, that that could even be considered an option.
But that's what's happening, and that's what he called.
See, balanced consciousness coming from here would never say, well, you're going to be vaccinated, you know, you'll have to take your chance.
And, you know, see what happens.
Because you're not coming. This would never do that.
But Watiko would.
And it is. Yeah.
So what you're saying is it's fair to say that this cult's evil and wants to destroy the planet and people?
It wants to take it over.
It's an assimilation that's going on.
And, you know, when...
You look at what people like Ray Kurzweil, a Google executive, is talking about.
He's talking about, and he's not alone anymore, connecting the human brain to artificial intelligence by 2030 should be well underway, he says.
What is that?
You know, the vaccines, fake vaccines are giving the cult.
The cult created Big Pharma.
Big Pharma was created from the start by J.D. Rockefeller.
He was the guy that created scalpel and drug-only medicine and destroyed the alternatives that were there before.
So Big Pharma is the cult.
That's why it has no empathy.
It has no compassion. And it's lying all the time.
Not least about these COVID potions.
And so you have a situation where The big pharma corporations that appear to be, you know, Pfizer and Moderna, but actually they're all part of the same whole, pushing in the same direction.
And so Wetiko is big pharma, which is why in America alone, something like the third biggest cause of death in America is treatment.
People being killed by the drugs and all other aspects of big pharma medicine.
Because it's a death cult.
So big pharma is not trying to make you well, trying to make you ill.
And so you look at Kurzweil at Google talking about connecting the artificial intelligence to the human brain.
But Then I ask the question, what is artificial intelligence?
On one level, it's algorithms, yes.
On another level, it's a type of artificial intelligence that learns from data input.
And everything you post on the internet is going ultimately into this level of AI, so it knows more about humanity than humanity does.
But there's another level of AI, which I say is actually this Wotico consciousness.
And this Physical connection or microchip connection between artificial intelligence and the human brain is a means by which this Wotiko consciousness can actually infiltrate the human mind and become the human mind.
And I think that what you're going to see with people who've had this vaccine Is that in many cases their personality is going to change.
Because I think it's operating not just on what we call the physical level.
I think it's operating on what you'd call the spiritual level as well.
And funnily enough, I saw some quotes from a French energetic healer who was describing how she was treating a lady.
And then the lady came back for another treatment and in between, although the healer says she didn't know, The lady had had two doses of this COVID vaccine, alleged, and she said, I couldn't believe what was happening in her energetic field.
She talked about these subtle bodies that connect with the physical body, which were fine in the first treatment, you know, they were all where they should be, were actually disconnecting and fragmenting.
And we are going to see, I'm sure of it, a change in personality for many people that have this vaccine.
Because we come back to what is the bottom line of human control.
And what this Watico consciousness wants to do is Control or impose itself in that point where five sense mind meets expanded awareness.
I've used this analogy before, which is you've got a computer, like the one in front of me, and you've got the operator.
The computer is symbolic of five sense mind, the body, and the operator is symbolic of expanded consciousness.
Now, when we work together, The computer is in its own world, but it also has access to another world.
And this interaction gives it, you know, everything it needs, really, to do what it does.
Yeah. But when we have a computer virus, symbolic of Wetiko, the computer doesn't respond to the operator anymore, doesn't respond to the keys, doesn't respond to the mouse.
It goes its own way.
Wetiko, the virus on the computer, is now dictating where it goes and what it does.
And what happens?
There's a chaotic, distorting malfunction goes on.
That's exactly how it works in terms of humanity and human consciousness.
So this Wetiko wants to get in this point.
Between the expanded awareness and the experiencing level of mind, five-sense mind, and it wants to disconnect the greatest self from the five-sense self and then program five-sense self with a perception of reality that suits its agenda.
So what that French energetic healer was describing was that she It was describing this apparent disconnection that had taken place between different levels of self after this lady had had the COVID potion.
And that fits exactly what this cult wants to do and has been trying to do to isolate people in five senses alone.
Because once you, like I talked about earlier, Once you expand your awareness and you connect into the greater self, this world looks very different and they don't want us to see that perception of reality.
They want us here. Yeah, yeah.
There's a quote that I've referenced in some of my speeches as well.
David, and it's from Ephesians 6.12.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
So I'm just wondering, in relation to that as well, when you talked about the spider, that's beyond the senses.
What are we talking about off-planet here?
What's pulling that string?
Well, I think, first of all, that quote you just read out, you look in any religion and culture and you'll find a concept that's Similar to that, in fact, often exactly the same as that.
That there is a force that's trying to disrupt and control, and there's a force pushing back against it.
And the spider, ultimately, is this Wotiko consciousness.
If people could just see, get away from form, Get away from names, labels, all of it, and what you've got is a state of consciousness that's very distorted, very chaotic, and very inverted.
And then it takes form in various ways.
So if you read the Documents that were found in an earthen jar in Nag Hammadi in Egypt, found in 1945.
And I've got two books full of them there.
They were the writings left by the Gnostics.
The Gnostics wasn't a race.
It was a perception.
It was a way of seeing the world.
And they were the inspiration of the Great Library of Alexandria in Egypt, which eventually was destroyed by the Roman Church in stages.
And one of the major stages was around 415 AD. It's estimated that these documents, these writings, these texts were put in that earthen jar and hidden away about 400 AD, but the information in them went much further back.
And a fifth of these writings were describing a force exactly in the terms that we're talking about, which they called archons, which is a Greek word meaning rulers or ruler.
And they said that this force was the force that was controlling, manipulating our reality.
And the way they described it was just like the Native Americans described with Tikal.
And they also described something else which I found fascinating given what I concluded by then and written about.
They said that we live in a fake reality.
It's not prime reality.
Prime reality is beyond the walls of this fake reality.
And the fake reality had been created by this archontic consciousness, which the core of it, they call Yaldabaoth.
And they describe just...
If we just ponder on this, they describe in documents said to have been put in that earthen jar about 400 AD the way that this archontic consciousness takes form and that two of the major forms it takes when it doesn't take human form are serpentine and a form that looks like a grey fetus With basically big black eyes, which is quite a description of what people call in UFO lore the greys.
So you can have Wetiko-dominated extraterrestrials.
And you can have benevolent extraterrestrials.
And in the human world, exactly that is the case.
You've got people like Gates and Fauci and all these people.
Klaus Schwab at the World Economic Forum.
Who are basically expressions of Wetiko consciousness.
You'll earn nothing and you'll be happy.
Or Archon consciousness.
And... This consciousness is deeply insecure.
It really is.
You get people and they act as if they're the big I am.
Outwardly, they're so confident I'm in control.
But actually behind that facade, they're a little boy in short trousers.
Well, that's what these people are.
Because, well, it's a longer story, which I go into in this book, but they need human energy.
This Wotiko, because of its distortion, does not have a connection with the greater reality.
We're the energetic sources for everyone else.
So it has to and you know this is all in these writings also.
It needs to find another energy source to feed itself.
And that's what humans have been turned into.
So because it's in such a distorted state, it cannot absorb love, it cannot absorb balance, it cannot absorb joy.
So it doesn't want any of those things in the world.
It wants low vibrational emotion.
It wants fear. It wants hatred.
It wants anxiety and so on.
A desire for power over because that's its state of being.
Because when people fall into those low vibrational states of being, then there's a frequency connection that can be made with this consciousness and it can start feeding off their energy.
This is what's going on in satanic rituals.
When they're sacrificing people and sacrificing kids, they're creating a state of terror In the person.
And that terror, that energy of terror is absorbed by this consciousness.
And this is the origin of this whole idea of sacrificing people to the gods.
Why are they sacrificing people to the gods?
Well, they're sacrificing their energy, their state of being.
The Satanists in this world will drink the blood and all that stuff and there's horrific things they do.
But this consciousness in its various forms, sometimes it will take an extraterrestrial form, sometimes in its pure form, is feeding off this energy in a satanic ritual.
And that's what... Sacrifice to the gods really is.
It's sacrifice of the person's energy.
And so you are looking at a state of consciousness that is quite happy to sacrifice children.
In fact, demand it. So, if anyone thinks that this COVID situation is just brief and it will go away eventually, well, the only way it's going to go away, if we make it go away, because it's meant to get far, far, far worse.
And so, another thing that these Gnostics talked about is the fact that, like I say, this is a fake reality.
And when I started looking at this, And reading what they said, it's very clear that in our modern language, what they were talking about was a simulation, literally a fake reality, like a virtual reality simulation.
And by the time I read those books and those documents, I'd already concluded and written about the fact that I say this reality is a simulation.
And in those days, Just after the turn of the millennium, I could only find one other guy who was talking about.
It was a guy called Nick Bostrom at Oxford University, who didn't see it in the same terms that I see it, but he was talking about, you know, this world is a very good chance it's a simulation.
And what's happened since, as the years have passed, is that's become more and more scientific mainstream.
You know, people at NASA and physicists, et cetera, have done these studies into, you know, do we live in a simulation?
And they've concluded that we almost certainly do.
And people think that's crazy.
Well, there's a guy at Massachusetts Institute of Technology called Max Tegmark.
He wrote a book called Our Mathematical Universe.
Who has pointed out that you can break everything in our reality down to numbers, down to maths, and that the maths and, if you like, the physics of virtual reality games that people play and our reality are basically the same.
There's no difference between them.
And one of the things that came to me when I first, and it came from here, We live in a simulation.
The other thing that came was that the walls of the simulation, the outer limits of it, is what we call the speed of light.
It came to me just not long after the turn of the millennium.
And the speed of light is not the fastest speed possible.
It's the...
It's the speed on which the simulation, the matrix, operates.
And if you go beyond the speed of light, which is pedestrian compared with what's possible, like instant, you then go out of this simulation and into another reality.
And there was an article about a week ago, maybe a little bit more than a week ago, in Scientific American, in which the writer was saying that all these years later.
We live in a simulation.
And the speed of light is the processing speed of the simulation.
And another thing I said long ago now is that the laws of physics that we perceive are actually the laws of the simulation.
Because if you're creating a computer game or a virtual reality game, the codes you put in dictate how the game is played and what's possible and what's not possible.
Well, that's our laws of physics, which is why when near-death experiences leave the body and then return, they talk of the out-of-body state being a...
A very different reality to the one we experience here, where things like time and space are not the same.
I would say years ago, time and space are encoded Experiences of the simulation.
And as we interact with them, we decode a reality that appears to have time and space.
And this Scientific American article about 10 days ago, I think it was now, said that, you know, if this is true, then what we call space is a code.
It's not real. And so all these things are coming together and I do think we do live in a simulation and that's what the Gnostics were describing before 400 AD because we come back again to what I said earlier.
If you get out there beyond this five sense reality and a lot of the Gnostics could That's why they glean their knowledge.
Then you can see things that you can't see here.
While this time is very challenging, it's a fascinating time too because lots and lots of so-called age-old mysteries Are starting to be answered.
And the truth is coming to light on many of these mysteries that science has just poo-pooed.
Well, it's not possible.
I can't explain it, so it can't be happening.
That's the scientific mind.
But actually we are finding explanations for them now.
Yeah. I'm just going to ask you quickly, just as we get towards closing as well,
so if there is a God creator, a designer of this reality, what do you suppose they are thinking of doing about this
situation that we all find ourselves in?
What?
Well, again, what people call God, I see as a state of infinite awareness.
But at its core, it's what I call infinite awareness and awareness of itself.
It's that level of consciousness that's aware that it's all awareness and is in full consciousness of its true state.
And that is, I think, what people refer to as God.
But within this infinite state of awareness, this awareness is experiencing itself.
You know, it's...
It's experiencing through its different expressions, which is everything.
So this Wotiko consciousness will also be an expression of this, quote, God, but in a distorted state.
And eventually it will be absorbed back into the greater whole and it will all change at the moment.
It's expressing itself as it expresses itself.
So, you know, you've only got to look at the human race to see that.
You've got people coming from love and you've got psychopaths.
And that expresses itself in different ways.
So we are...
The infinite experiencing itself.
And sometimes it does it in ways that we like and sometimes ways that we don't like.
But in the end, it's all still the same consciousness.
They're just in different states of being.
And we're experiencing at the moment what it's like to come up against this level of distortion.
And this level of distortion Is experiencing what it's like to come across that which is not distorted.
So it's an endless mutual experience.
It's got the sun coming around. It's an endless mutual experience which is just an experience in the endless experience in exploration of forever.
If you fall into this I am my body.
I am my name. I'm my life story.
Everything goes like that. And so things that happen to us in this world can take on massive, massive importance and meaning.
But from another point of view, it's just another experience in the experience of forever.
And it doesn't mean that you don't do anything about it.
My God, I think I have tried.
But it means you do it from another point of view.
So you don't panic and fall into fear and what we're going to do and all that stuff.
You just do what you know to be right.
And what will happen from doing what you know to be right will happen.
What is, is. Yeah.
But for sure, if we go on acquiescing to this, well, with Tico consciousness, that's what it is, in authority, and we just do what it says, and we wear its face nappies, and we do all the things that it tells us to do, and believe all the things it tells us to believe, then those that are in this reality now, Not least our children and grandchildren are going to have a very, very unpleasant future.
But there's eight billion of us.
And the number of people in full knowledge that are doing this is absolutely tiny.
And they can only do what they do because the population, the target population obeys.
And we have to stop obeying.
And we'll see then where the power is.
I've said many times before, someone comes out of Downing Street or the White House or the Parliament in Canberra and said, we've had a meeting, this is what's going to happen.
This is what they're doing all the time with this COVID crap.
We've had a meeting, this is what's going to happen.
Well, okay. Well, the population says in great numbers, we ain't doing it.
We're not doing it. We're not doing that.
So where's their power now?
They have nothing. Their power is in our acquiescence to their perceived power.
And their power is not real.
It's the power we give to them.
So we give them our power through acquiescence.
They recycle it back through imposition.
And in that recycling back, we perceive that to be the power of authority.
It's not...
It's our power recycled back against us.
And we can break that cycle anytime we want.
I say no, not doing it.
The power of no will bring this to an end.
The question is, will enough people invoke it?
Yes. Absolutely.
David, it's been an absolute pleasure to be with you.
A lot of people in our community said to send their love.
Their love for you and your contribution to humanity and what you've stood for and the light and the beacon that you shine around the world and your body of work and your contribution to humanity is much appreciated.
Well, that's very kind. But, you know, as you know, as people watching this will know, once the penny drops, then walking away is not an option.
Anyone that's seen it or seen some level of it and then walked away has not seen it.
Because walking away when you see it is not an option.
And I'll keel over eventually a long time from now still doing it.
Yeah, absolutely.
Much love and blessings, David Icke.
Thank you for the experience of David Icke.
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