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March 22, 2021 - David Icke
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David Icke Talks To Karleen Love In Mexico About The Global Hoax Being Played On Humanity
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Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held the ground.
is a famous quote by David Icke, whom I welcome to my channel.
David, thank you so, so much for taking the time to give this interview to me.
Your name now is in so many hearts and minds across the world, but how does this make you feel that all these predictions are coming true about you?
And how does it make you feel that all your predictions are coming true as well?
Well, it's mixed really.
I'd rather that, you know, people had seen what was coming and stopped cooperating with it and realized what was coming our way so that it wouldn't come our way.
But that was never going to happen.
You know, I said years ago that this has got to get really bad before we turn this around.
Because it's only when it gets bad that it focuses people's minds on the fact that the world's not like they thought it was and where the hell are we going?
And I think that we've seen that, haven't we, since the turn of 2020?
Because there's an obvious parting of the ways going on.
In the world.
Some people, and you can see it very clearly, are becoming more and more consumed by the programmed coma.
And then there's others who are awakening from the coma.
And the The experience that I've had over the years, over the last 30 odd years, has shown me from my own experience, like no one wanting to know, just how big this awakening is in the last year.
Because, you know, I've gone from being laughed at in the street 30 years ago, in fact, a lot less than 30 years ago, to being stopped in the street all the time to talk seriously about the world and what's going on.
So there has been this big shift.
And what we need to do, and in many ways it's a spiritual, as well as a five-sense world thing, is to move from the point of seeing it To the point of not cooperating with it.
Yes. That's when we'll start to unravel it because it depends on our cooperation to survive, of course.
Right. And so my mother bought, okay, I have to tell you the story a little bit.
My mother bought your very first book, and this was back in the late 80s.
And when I first read it, I got scared.
I got really scared within the first couple of chapters.
And it wasn't until years later after an ayahuasca journey that I had, and I encountered something so deep and so profound, and I was looking for answers for it.
And I found you on YouTube. And so I bought your first book, and I saw the cover, and I thought, oh my gosh, this is the book that my mom bought all those years ago.
And that's when I was finally ready to take in the knowledge that you had.
But how did it make you feel when you got all this information in about the nature of reality?
Were you as scared as well?
Were you as affected?
Or how did you respond to it?
Did you just take it in and say, okay, this is the way it is, and just move forward with it?
Yeah, I did, actually.
I've never been frightened of this stuff ever since I started.
Because, you know, there's two...
Clear levels of us.
I mean, we're multi-level, but I mean, there's two clear ones.
There's the five sense perception.
Where the world can seem very frightening and very intimidating and where fear reigns and rules and where everything seems apart from everything else and where everything seems limited, where we see ourselves as whatever labels we are given and give ourselves and that's who I am.
And the whole perception of a human and only human is that you've got a short time.
And I see all the time this gotta, gotta, gotta, gotta kind of attitude.
Gotta, gotta, gotta. And I remember seeing an advertisement A long time ago now, which had, I don't even know what it was for.
It obviously wasn't a good advert, but it was very, very symbolic.
And it had a baby shooting out of the womb like a missile.
And flying through the sky at enormous speed.
And as it did so, it got older and older and older and older and older.
And eventually, as an old man, it crashed into a grave at the other end.
And I thought, well, that's quite symbolic of a human life.
Because it's like, I'm born and I've only got a certain amount of time.
So therefore, gotta, gotta, gotta, gotta, gotta.
And, you know, people don't smell the roses and, you know, I'm not saying that I do all the time, but what I did after my own personal awakening in 1990 was increasingly, not necessarily immediately, but looking at the big game, looking at the big picture and re-self-identifying the nature of the eye.
So, excuse me, I didn't self-identify the totality of the I with the labels of a life called David Icke.
That was my experience.
That is my experience.
What I am, what we all are, is consciousness on an eternal journey of exploring forever, forever.
So, suddenly, the intensity of a human life Doesn't have that same sense of limitation.
Right. I'm human and nothing else, and then what's going to happen after that?
But also, you don't have that same intensity of being intimidated by the world.
Right. You know, the worst that can happen is that we continue our infinite, eternal exploration and I mean, that's it.
So this is an experience.
So if you put it in that context, you can see things in a different light.
So, you know, I'm not saying that when I came across all this information, I was very matter-of-fact about it.
I wasn't. Because this may be a human life and a brief experience in this reality, but where it's planned to go, and for many people already, indeed going back through history, it's been a very unpleasant experience.
Yeah, it has been. We can accept that or we can say, wait, actually, I want to do something about that.
I don't want my children and grandchildren to live in the world that's being planned for them.
And so it's not matter of fact.
I've spent 30 years doing this and I wake up at 5 or 6 in the morning and I'm still going till 7 odd at night every day, seven days a week, because I want to make a difference.
But at the same time, you don't get pulled into the fear of it.
Because when you start to look at this force behind world events that are manipulating this COVID hopes and all the rest of it, it seems to be all-powerful.
That's how people perceive it.
But it's not. It's not.
The only power it has is the power we give to it.
And you know, when they go in for all this censorship, as they have with me, they're not saying how powerful they are, they're saying how insecure they are.
Because, you know, they own Silicon Valley, they own the global media, they own the banking system, they own governments.
But they're so worried about one individual, and maybe a young guy in his bedroom putting out this information, that they have to censor him and delete him.
So that's not a manifestation of power.
That's a manifestation of insecurity.
So these people are not as powerful as they appear to be.
They've tricked us into giving our power to them.
And when we take it back or stop giving it away, then this will unravel.
And so in the end, you know, people say, what's the answer?
What are the solutions? But what is human society except the sum total of human perception, thus the sum total of human behavior?
That's what it is. And if you change your perception and change your behavior, you change the world collectively.
By doing it as an individual, you change your own life, but collectively we change the world.
So imagine if instead of Being intimidated by these little boys in short trousers, this powerful cult, I'm terrified.
We just said we're not cooperating with it.
Use the power to know and the world will change.
We can bring this to an end tomorrow.
It's just a matter of whether we're going to cooperate with our own enslavement or cease to do so and that will change the world immediately because they can't enforce What large amounts of the population will not do.
They cannot do it. Yeah, I was quite young back then, but I still think that a lot of people that read your content for the first time or encounter your content for the first time and are completely entrenched into that way of thinking, that they do go through fear stages.
Like I have met some people that went through that, which is...
Yeah, I completely understand that.
And that's why if you look at my books...
Maybe one exception is the Trigger, which was about 9-11, but obviously about much more than that, but within the context of 9-11, which wasn't done by 19 Arab hijackers who couldn't fly on engine planes, but somehow managed to fly...
Big commercial jets.
But apart from that one, every single book, I include the nature of reality and the spiritual power and the nature of who we are with all the names, dates, places, information.
Because what I see, Carleen, I don't know whether you've come across this as well.
I see the spiritual, not always, but what's called the spiritual.
And the conspiratorial research arenas, which should be Fusion into one balanced whole actually operate apart from each other so much.
So some of the biggest critics that I've had over the years have been from the, if you like, the spiritual community, what used to be known as the New Age community, because they said, oh, no, what you're doing is frightening people.
But, well, fear is...
by the receiver, not the giver. Right. So I look at this information and I see it as incredibly positive.
Yes, because if you're being manipulated and you don't know you're being manipulated, then you're
going to go on being manipulated because you don't know you're being manipulated. Once you
have the knowledge of the fact that you are and how you are.
Now that's empowering to make sure it stops.
If your mate's manipulating you behind your back and you don't know, they'll just go on from there.
But when someone says, you know, so-and-so's manipulating you and this is how they're doing it, now you've got the power to stop it.
So it's kind of always been quite amusing to me that I've heard people in the spiritual community saying, you must let go of fear to people.
And then they say, well, you know, what you're putting out is frightening.
Well, Well, don't be frightened then.
I mean, you know, let go of fear.
But then on the other side, you've got, you know, the names, dates, places research, which is all very necessary.
And, you know, good luck to them.
I do that. I've done enormous amounts of it.
But... If you only come from that direction, you only see the five cents level of it all, then there don't seem to be any answers, except physical answers, like resisting and weapons, as they were talking about a lot when I came to America in the 90s.
Because they don't seem any other answer.
But so if you bring the two together, you realize that this whole manipulation of humanity is multileveled.
Yes, it plays out in the five cent world as what's happening now, you know, house arrest and masks and impositions.
But actually, that is a manifestation of consciousness.
It's a tussle between states of consciousness.
And so...
which drives perception, that's going to turn this around.
Right.
Because like I said earlier, human society is human behavior and human behavior comes from perception
and perception comes from information received.
This is why they want to control the information so they control perception.
Right.
Because there's not enough of them to impose it.
They want to be able to do that through AI, and that's their plan.
But at the moment, they can't impose it because there's not enough of them.
They have to get us to behave and perceive, therefore behave, in ways where we just act the way that suits them.
So that's where it has to change.
And, you know, if you only look through the Five Sense lens, It looks lost.
It looks over.
What are we going to do?
If you look through the Five Sense lens, anything we do do would seem to be so slow and what are we going to do?
It's just not possible.
But when you think that Human society is human perception made manifest.
We change our perception.
We change our behavior.
It's over. Because there's 7.7 billion people being manipulated.
And the people in full knowledge who are doing it are absolutely tiny.
Yeah. And I was thinking, too, that protests are necessary to disseminate information, but...
They're counting on us protesting.
They're already planning on us protesting.
They're prepared for all of it, no matter how big these protests get.
So there has to be something else that we have to be doing as well that we're not, which is just turning away and not participating.
Absolutely. That's the thing.
I'm off of protest.
I've spoken at some big ones in London in the last year because it gets people together of like mind and it can be a very symbolic representation of public feeling.
But if that's where it ends, nothing changes.
Nothing changes. Trump is supposed to have got 74 million votes in America at the last election.
And what if those 74 million people, who are overwhelmingly, I'm not a Trump supporter, I'm not a supporter of any politician, but they are overwhelmingly the pushbackers.
Right. Whereas the woke mentality are the promoters of the cult agenda.
They have no idea. Most of them have no idea that they're actually the foot soldiers of this agenda for global dictatorship.
But they're not pushing against this.
They're pushing for it. So you've got 74 million people.
What's the population of America, about 330 million?
Well, if 74 million people just said, we're not cooperating, we're not wearing masks, we're going to open our businesses, we're going to go and be employed in those businesses, it would be unenforceable because there's just too many people.
You know, if you look at the number of people in America alone, Never mind the world, against the number of law enforcement officers.
It's ridiculous.
And when you look at the people who were telling the law enforcement officers to do what they do, the numbers are ridiculous, at least small.
So it's this non-cooperation that will bring this to an end, if anything will, because it's cooperation with the forces
of enslavement that's got us into this mess.
What if last spring, when they said, oh, we're locking down, people said we're not doing it.
We wouldn't be where we are now.
No, we wouldn't.
We wouldn't because they wouldn't have been able to impose all this.
And so what they have to do because of their lack of numbers, I was saying this all the time now, is they have
to manipulate that area of the population, which is big, that's bought their lives and get them to police the ones
that haven't.
And we're saying that in every country as well.
But if everything is consciousness, and life exists on different frequencies, In the same space, is that consciousness us as well?
You know, in the reptilian consciousness and all these attacking consciousnesses.
Because the way we talk about it in this scene is as if it's a they versus us, right?
So, but if it's all one consciousness, then that's us on a different level.
How do we tap into that? How do we vibe into that?
How do we connect to that?
Well, yeah, but we've got this infinite But it's not all in the same state of perception and awareness.
I mean, George, boy George Bush, I rest my case.
Joe Biden, I rest my case.
So it's, you know, I could sit here and I could be operating on a tiny smear of my potential consciousness because my perception of myself is that that's what I am.
I'm little me, I have no power.
Or I could have had experiences or things happen to me where I get a certain perception on life and that drives my life and what I do and how I behave.
But someone else will have a different set of experiences, which will drive them in another way, and they'll see life in a different way.
And instead of wanting to control and impose, which is always insecurity, Other expressions of consciousness want to awaken and set free.
Now, it's all the same consciousness, but it's all in a different state.
So we're all one.
The ones that are manipulating us and the ones that were being manipulated, they're all expressions of the same consciousness, points of attention in the same hole, but they're not in the same state of consciousness.
They're not in the same state of perception and therefore they don't behave the same.
And, you know, we live in...
You know, you hear this phrase that we are all that is, has been and ever can be.
And you hear God is all that is, has been and ever can be.
But what's that actually saying?
It's saying all possibility.
Because when you, from a five-sense level or perception, just hear that, you say, well...
What are you talking about? You can't be all it is, has been, and ever can be.
But you can if what you're describing is all possibility.
And this consciousness that we're all part of is all possibility.
That can manifest all possibility.
And so it does. And so you have these different...
Shall we say, spins on life.
And in many ways, it makes this reality called human very interesting because, you know, the way I see it anyway, everything's a frequency and everything, whether it's an emotion or a thought or a state of being, it's a frequency. It vibrates to a certain frequency.
Now, when you are out of this world in a state of consciousness, just no Which is the core of what we are.
Then your frequency is operating in certain realms that relate to that frequency.
You know, if you tune to a radio station, then you don't hear the other radio stations.
You hear the one you tune to because the frequency is compatible.
And so your state of being can put you in different...
Realities, if you like, by the fact that you are vibrating to different frequencies, so you connect with different realities.
But what a human life does through this form I call the biological computer is it focuses that consciousness no matter what frequency it's perceiving on, It allows the interaction In one reality, between states of consciousness of vastly different frequencies.
Because what the common theme is, is the body which is operating within the frequency band of this reality, which is only a tiny frequency band, of course.
And therefore, you can have this interaction between In this situation, between consciousness of vastly different states, perceptions, etc., it makes it a very, very interesting place.
Therefore, we've got this potential to have a very malevolent state of consciousness seeking to impose itself upon the human race.
But... It's still fascinating.
It's still very interesting.
And it's an experience within the totality of eternal experience.
And like we talked about earlier, when you come from that perspective, you work your socks off, I do for sure, to make a difference because you don't want this situation to be imposed upon people.
But you don't have that same intimidation, fear and intensity because you know it's just an experience.
There'll be another one in a minute.
Do you see this as an evolutionary necessity for humanity to go through what we're experiencing now?
Or do you see it as a hijack?
Something is hijacking us?
Well, I think it's both.
You know, one of the interesting things is when you encompass the paradox of Where two things appear to be opposite and different in every way, but actually what they are is different expressions of the same thing.
I can look at it like that, or I can look at it like that.
And the way I see it will be different.
And if you say, I see it both ways, people say, well, that's ridiculous.
That's a paradox. You can't see it in opposite ways at the same time.
But you can. Because at what level are you looking at it from?
So... On one level, yes, I have no doubt whatsoever that humanity has been hijacked, oh yes, by a non-human force.
And, you know, you hear this common theme all around the ancient world.
They're talking in their own ways about the same thing.
Yeah. But in the same way, it's still an experience.
And it is saying, or giving the experience, you know, a very powerful one because of its effect, in which it's saying, this is what happens when you give your power away.
And so there are experiential things to learn.
Right. So on that level, yes, it's a big experience for humanity to see what mayhem happens when you start giving your power away and cooperating with your own enslavement.
But on another level, we have been hijacked.
The two are happening at the same time.
And when I say hijack...
A very good way of people visualising this is the Avatar movie, where you had the Navi, the blue people, who lived on their moon, their planet.
And the invaders were symbolized as the American military, of course.
And they infiltrated the Navi society, or tried to, by taking on an outer form that looked like the Navi.
So the Navi thought that these are one of us.
These are Navi!
But they weren't.
Behind that front that made them look like the people they were infiltrating, they weren't Navi at all.
And something like that, very, very much like that in theme, has happened to humanity.
We've been taken over by an infiltrated By a non-human force that...
And we're all non-human in the end.
This is just an experience.
But I mean by a different kind of consciousness with different intent, which is hiding behind human form.
And so we look at them and we think, you know, that's human.
He's human. She's human.
But not necessarily so.
And I started coming across this way back in the 1990s, this whole theme.
Because... By about the mid-90s, I really understood that the world is not controlled by the forces that seem to be controlling it, i.e.
politicians, etc. And that there was this network of interbreeding bloodlines, which relates to the non-human force, and also this web, this network, Of secret societies and semi-secret groups and satanic groups.
And you start to see how long this has been going on.
So when you sort of go back and you find yourself in ancient Rome, you find yourself in ancient Egypt and Babylon, Sumer, etc.
Then you say, well, hold on a minute.
People have been coming in, being born, taking part to promote this society.
This hijack and then buying and then others would come in and done the same.
There has to be a coordinating force that spans this period of time when this has been going on.
This goes back a long time.
And that's when I started to realize that there is a common force and it's not human.
And, you know, lots of things get put into context when you do that.
Not least what's happening technologically now, because we are operating in a narrow band of frequency, which has its timeline.
It has the timeline that we perceive as history, etc.
But beyond that, the walls of this reality, and this reality, because of the way it's set up, as its own laws of physics, or what appear to be laws of physics...
But you go beyond the walls and the confines of this reality And now you're into a very different timeline.
In fact, you're into levels of awareness where there is no time.
Because time is just a construct.
We take events and experiences and we construct them in a certain order.
And we call that time as they unfold.
That's why you can be doing something that you perceptually like and you're going,
blimey, doesn't time fly?
Oh dear, is that the time?
And then you're doing something you don't like and oh no, I haven't got another two hours yet.
And it's the way that we are processing information that's deciding how we perceive time.
I don't know about you, but I'm Blimey, time's flying at the moment.
I've never experienced anything like it.
The speed that it appears to be moving in my experience.
So what I'm saying is, in other realities outside of this one, they are very different.
And so you can have...
Outside of this reality, knowledge of what's happening now with technology, how to create these, what we perceive as advanced technologies and these controlling technologies.
But this force outside of this timeline, they had that knowledge when humans were knocking rocks together.
The point being that if you gave that Knowledge or that technology to, I mean, you know, give a laptop computer to Stone Age men.
What would it do with it?
So, you know, I've seen this, and not only that, the various carriers of the knowledge, shall we say, the shamans and stuff that I've met all around the world, they see this too, that humans have been brought through To become intellectually clever enough to build their own prison, but not wise enough to see that's what they're doing.
And so you have this worship of the intellect, and it's the intellect that's able to produce all this technology, which is designed to enslave us, without realizing that's what they're doing.
And, you know, when you look at...
This technology. I mean, a lot of it is actually coming from this non-human force.
And the exchange is taking place in the underground bases and the deep, deep secret projects and the inside mountain cities.
And they do exist, I assure people.
And so that's where the technological transfer is taking place.
So what has been happening is, as humanity has been able to work with more and more sophisticated technology, as we're brought through intellectually, but not spiritually, that's the idea, then this technology is being put into the public arena.
And if you notice, There's never a time when, especially in recent decades, where we've been waiting for the next, or what I call the global cult, has been waiting for the next stage of the technology.
It's just rolled out.
And if you notice, it's getting faster and faster and faster.
So, you know, they're not waiting for some geek in a garage to To invent the next stage of the technological control system.
It's all there.
It has been there for a long, long time waiting to play out.
And so what they needed was cover stories to get this stuff out of the secret bases and into the public arena without people asking the question, where the hell does this come from?
So they have your Bill Gateses and you have your people, your pages at Google and so on, and all these front people, that's all they are, that are the face and the cover story for how this came into being.
But actually, it's all being coordinated towards an end of human control by technology and AI. And again, this is...
Not just, you know, people like Bill Gates.
He's very, very rich because he's a gopher for the cult.
But he is only a gopher, even at his level.
The real power is actually beyond this reality.
And even within this reality, the real power, the core of this global cult, doesn't put itself on public display.
Do you see this as a harvesting?
Is this the return of the gods, the Sumerian gods, and we're being fear harvested?
Do you see it like that? Yes.
Fear harvested.
I don't see it kind of as a You see, people talk about extraterrestrials and stuff, and of course they exist.
But I don't kind of perceive it at that level.
What I'm doing all the time is I'm looking at...
The consciousness that in the end manifests as what we call extraterrestrials and non-human forms.
In the end, like us, like everything, in its core state, it's consciousness.
So it's the state of consciousness that dictates the behavior.
So I'm more interested in looking at the...
I mean, I have gone into the form levels with the reptilians and stuff, obviously, but...
But now I like to or prefer to look at the consciousness because that's where you can understand why people, beings, whatever, act as they do and how we can actually do something about it.
And at the level of this...
Consciousness that's behind this non-human force.
I see that as a very distorted, imbalanced state of being.
And what it's trying to do Which is not a big call, because you've only got to look at its behavior and its manifestations to see it's that.
But what it's trying to do is to assimilate humanity into itself.
It's trying to turn human consciousness into it.
So if it's imbalanced and it's psychopathic, if it itself is full of fear and insecurity, then...
For there to be a frequency compatibility which it can assimilate, then it has to put humans in the same state of being.
And that's what it's working to do.
And it's played another big card since the start of 2020.
And what it does is it can only absorb energy, sustenance, power.
Like everything, within the frequency range that it operates on.
So because it's a very Distorted, low vibrational state of being, hence it behaves as it does.
The whole concept of psychopathy, I think, comes from this consciousness.
I think psychopaths are actually an expression of this consciousness.
Because if people fall into certain low vibrational states, then it can connect with them and start to influence behavior.
And then there will also be manifestations of this consciousness becoming incarnate, who, because they're manifestations of this consciousness, will be psychopaths and psychopathic.
I mean, again, Bill Gates, I rest my case, I mean, this man's a complete, super extreme psychopath.
And so to absorb energy sustenance from humanity, because that's what he's doing, We have to be manipulated into these low vibrational mental and emotional states that are generating the frequency as a result, which it can absorb.
And, you know, when the Morpheus character held up the battery in the Matrix movies and said the machines have turned humans into one of these, it was a very profound truth because that's the way it works.
And so When we operate in states of love, in states of joy, in states of beyond fear, then you're generating frequencies which this consciousness can't absorb.
That's a major, major reason why those that are the infiltrators don't want They don't want love to be prevalent in humans.
They don't want joy.
They don't want happiness. They don't want peace.
Because these are frequencies they can't absorb.
They have to put us in these constant states of fear, anxiety, depression, anger, hatred.
These are all frequencies that they operate on because I've just described how they operate with all those emotions, not least hatred.
Another thing Mother Ayahuasca showed me on that journey was that also how we're calling in this consciousness, we're calling in these frequencies, just by the food we eat, the water we drink, because it's all being technologically produced.
And so that gives the food a frequency.
She showed me all these factories, and how certain vibrations and frequencies were going into the food, and we were ingesting that, and through that we were Attuning to this artificial consciousness.
It was really interesting. And I was like, this is so huge.
I can't... And she was showing how we need to produce our own food.
We need to go back to literally producing our own food, getting our own water, and moving away from all this factory produced stuff.
But it's so big.
How would humanity even start to...
To, you know, change that or move away from that.
Yeah, I mean, what's happening and what's been happening all this time is that this force has been manipulating events to infuse the target population with these low vibrational frequencies.
I mean, and it's happened very fast.
I was born in 1952 and And in those days, you weren't buying...
It was just starting, but you weren't buying processed food and stuff.
Your mum would get the ingredients and put it together and cook.
It wasn't stuff off the shelf.
And then... You know, the Rothschilds were very much involved in this out of Britain.
They started introducing industrial farming.
Now, the fact that the Rothschilds were involved in that is no accident whatsoever.
So now, I mean, what is poison?
It's very low vibrational.
What do they put on the crops?
Poison. What are they putting in the food?
Various toxic chemicals.
And notice, I said this was coming, That's what Bill Gates is talking about now, to save the world from climate change.
People eat synthetic meat, because what they're doing, and we can get into this another day, but if you look at the difference between this This force and its manifestations and humans and their manifestations.
It's the difference between the biological and the synthetic.
This is a very synthetic type of consciousness.
And what comes to mind when you say that?
AI. And so you ask the question, okay, they're openly now saying they want to connect AI to the human brain.
People like Elon Musk in his Neuralink company are helping to make this happen.
The question is, what is AI? Yeah.
On one level, it's algorithms, yes.
And on one level, it's AI that learns from data input.
But is there another AI? I say there is.
And I think this other AI is this consciousness.
And the technological connections into the human brain, into the human mind of...
Of AI, I think is a structural vehicle for this consciousness to actually enter and absorb the human mind and turn humanity, this is the idea, into a hive mind.
In which humanity as a whole just becomes like computer terminals dominated or dictated to from a central point.
And you've got people like Ray Kurzweil, the Google executive, openly talking about the fact that they planned by 2030s, gave that period, to connect AI to the human brain.
And he openly says. And when that happens, over a period, the AI will...
Basically become the human mind and what we call human mind now will be basically negligible.
They're his words. But what is this AI? And I say that this is this infiltration trying to get into the human brain.
And once that happens, well, it's going to be very difficult to turn it around when you don't have a mind to decide to turn it around because it's not your mind anymore.
Exactly. This is the kind of scale of the situation we're facing.
I mean, this COVID thing is a hoax to drive forward in a big leap, but it's only a step.
It's not the end in itself.
And so it's...
In the end, it's consciousness, which consciousness prevails.
And they've manipulated us into this fractional potential of consciousness that we are, where we self-identify with all these labels and self-identify with being powerless.
That's the whole idea. You had a shaman teacher that I wanted to bring up earlier when you mentioned all the shamans you'd seen in the world, Credo Mutwa.
And so many of us have heard about him through you.
And so it's surprising to me how people would call you racist.
Let's talk about that. Because, you know, if someone's saying something...
And you don't want them to be heard, then if they're not doing something that would discredit them, then just make it up.
Now, this is the irony.
It's such an irony. I shake my head all the time.
Because what I'm saying is we're all consciousness consciousness.
We're all expressions of the same consciousness.
And from that perspective, what we call racism is insane.
It's an absolute confirmation.
You have no idea what reality is.
And why are this cult, via its billionaires and billionaire corporation expressions, We're good to go.
One of the things I've gone on about a couple of times today is that when you self-identify with labels, you're self-identifying with limitation.
You're self-identifying with what I call the phantom self, which is an experience, not you.
So my philosophy on life, my way of seeing life, is the ultimate non-racist way of seeing it, because I say that Whatever color your body is and whatever the genetic background to your body is, it's just a brief vehicle for your consciousness to experience this reality.
The reason they have brought in and funded and promoted this abomination called identity politics is to subdivide the previous labels The man, woman, you know, whatever.
That race, religion, whatever.
To subdivide them into even smaller labels.
Because they don't want people here.
They want people here.
And if they can make it even smaller, then go ahead.
See, when you see LGBT and all these long, ridiculous long list of letters now, each of which is a minute eye of self-identity.
I mean, white people have to tell me what their sexuality is.
I'm not interested.
The idea that what we are is the minuti of our sexuality is ridiculous.
It's an experience.
Enjoy it if you like it, but it's an experience.
Do you think you're going to be one of these endless sexualities?
When you leave the body, it's an experience of a very narrow band of frequency.
That's all it is. Chill out.
Enjoy it. But it's over when you leave the body.
It's like saying I'm an Italian vacation.
I'm English. I don't mind being English.
This is where I was born, so I'm English.
If I was born in France, I'd be French.
If I was black, I'd be black.
If I was Jewish, I'd be Jewish.
I couldn't care less. It's just an experience.
So you've got the irony.
Of that philosophy on life and then being called racist.
But the reason you're called racist, of course, is because you are.
And this is where this laid back kind of way of looking at things is very important because instead of saying, you say I'm racist, that's outrageous, you'll find it out eventually that you've been had.
But, you know, I'm not going to give it any time.
I'm not going to defend myself. Why do I have to defend myself for something I'm not, you know?
So you get on with it. And if you keep moving forward instead of stopping and defending yourself, then you get somewhere.
But if you keep stopping and saying, oh, no, you can't say that.
I couldn't care less what people say about me.
Say, oh, you like. I'm not bothered.
I'm not bothered. I'm all that is, has been and ever can be, having a brief human experience.
And I'm worried about what someone says on Twitter.
Are you having a laugh? It's ridiculous.
Because they'll say something else tomorrow.
It's like this...
Emotional reaction. This is what this cult wants.
It's a constant emotional reaction.
It doesn't want a calm, observed perception.
It wants emotional reaction.
And if you look at social media and you look at this whole woke mentality, and, you know, I'm not having a go at these people.
I understand why they believe what they believe because they've been through an intense programming through the hijacked education system and et cetera.
That has made them see the world in a certain way, because they've been going to school, and they've been going to university, and every day the same thing's been imposed upon them.
I mean, we've just got a university in Britain called Manchester that's just basically deleted the words mother, father.
Yeah, I read about that, yeah.
So... You brought up in that atmosphere and you're constantly told that, you know, there is no gender.
Well, actually, there is.
You know what I mean? And what is that?
That's Orwell's 2 plus 2 equals 4 becoming 2 plus 2 equals 5.
So this is why we've entered this fact-free world.
You know, you can be banned for saying something that is provably evidentially true because it's the wrong thing to the woke mentality.
It has nothing to do with whether something's true or not.
What they're doing, and this all goes into this vaccine or fake vaccine, and it goes into what I've just said about this assimilation and this connection to AI. They are on the road of transforming the human body from a biological gender form, where you need procreation, To a no gender form where you don't need procreation and people will be hatched or as Older Suxley called it in Brave New World in World State Hatcher.
It'll be done technologically because this synthetic biological human that I call Human 2.0 is not meant to be able to procreate.
They don't need that.
So you don't need genders anymore because you don't need procreation.
And they've targeted men or they're targeting men.
Do you know we've got somebody who's in Parliament And it'd been supported by one or two other people, who I must remember to remind them to breathe before they turn blue, who had said that men should be subject to a curfew at 6pm to protect women, right? I mean, it's crazy.
So we've had this war on men.
But what I said when that was going on, I said, they're going to come to women next.
It's not just one gender they want rid of, it's both.
Because the human 1.0 is a gender phenomenon and procreates through gender.
Now you're seeing, aren't you, the targeting of women, the targeting of women's rights.
On the basis of what? On the basis of transgender.
And this is the irony.
The transgender community are being played like a strained instrument, because they think it's all about the transgender.
It's about no gender.
And they are just the stepping stone to the no gender human.
So what they have to do, first of all, they have to do this with everything, is they have to get the psychological change before they can get the physical change.
And so they're targeting the kids in the schools, telling them there's a hundred, the BBC, It puts articles up about there being 100 genders.
Don't be ridiculous. There's not.
There might be different ways of self-identity and all the best, no matter to me, none of my business.
But genders, biological genders, don't be ridiculous.
100 genders, it's ridiculous.
And this is important for people who are awakening to this.
That they do not surrender 2 plus 2 equals 4.
Because once they do, once you compromise 2 equals 5 because you think it's easier, what happens is when you first start to not accept, but you go with the fact that 2 and 2 equals 5 in the way you live your life and what you say, But you know 2 and 2 equals 4 at that stage.
But what happens eventually is you start to get absorbed by it and in the end you believe 2 and 2 equals 5.
The transition has happened.
And this whole woke mentality, manipulated absolutely 100% by this cult and these billionaire funders, It's all about the woke mentality.
It's all about saying two and two equals five and believing it to be true.
So those who are pushing back on this They must not compromise with 200 equals 4.
It's like, you know, all the masks and these regulations.
I do understand how people are fearful of, you know, the consequences of not going with it.
But if you do, if you compromise on it, This is why I've said many times in the last year, I will die before I wear a mask.
Because once you compromise with it, then that's the start of the end.
Because you compromise once, and then you'll compromise again, and you'll compromise again.
But if you hold the line, I'm not doing any of it.
Yeah. And how that affects my life is how it affects my life.
But I'm not crossing that line.
Right. Oh, yeah. But if you don't cross that line, you won't be able to do this.
Well, I won't do it then. Not crossing that line.
Yes. When you compromise once, you compromise twice.
And eventually you're assimilated into where everyone else is.
Yeah. What did Kredo Mutwa see for our future or what was coming for us?
Did he tell you anything?
Well, we had a lot of long chats.
And, you know, this is the...
I mean, I met him.
I spent a lot of time with him on, well, a lot of occasions in South Africa.
And this is kind of...
You know, we talk about, you know, racism and...
Yes. But he was a man who was brought up in apartheid South Africa He was a black man who was brought up as a Zulu with all the Zulu belief systems and all the Zulu background and ways of doing things.
He had some horrendous experiences with the white apartheid regime and indeed with his own people.
I remember on one occasion the white apartheid regime wanted to target him And so they slipped out that he was cooperating with them.
It wasn't. But that turned his own people on him.
And he, on one occasion, in Soweto, I'm sure it was in Soweto, just outside Johannesburg or the Johannesburg area, they poured petrol on him.
And someone was about to throw a match on him.
And then someone, one of the leaders, said, stop.
And by this time they've beaten him to a pulp anyway.
And it was because the white apartheid regime had leaked that he was cooperating with them when he wasn't.
And his own people turned on him.
So this is a wonderful example of what happens if you manipulate perception.
You can get people to behave the way you want.
But where I'm going with this is, so that's his background.
And he was a shaman, a high shaman, in the whole Zulu community.
I was born in Leicester, in the English Midlands, and I'm a white bloke.
And I went to a regular bloody school.
I didn't concentrate at all, really.
But I did, and I became a soccer player and operated in the culture of England.
And we came together.
We came together, apparently by accident, because these are not accidents, in Johannesburg in the 1990s.
And these two people from completely different backgrounds, completely different races, completely different areas of the world, saw the world in the same way.
And we developed this bond because there was a consciousness connection that was beyond the body, his body, beyond my body, beyond his age.
He died last year, well into his 90s.
So I was much younger than him, decades younger than him.
But all these differences were irrelevant to the fact that The consciousness was the connection.
I went out there quite a few times and spent quite considerable periods with him.
He was an amazing man.
He had amazing talents and creativity and knowledge.
He was coming from...
The Zulu perspective, that whole culture.
I'm coming from the Western kind of...
A white world perspective.
And yet, what I had concluded through talking to people in the West, talking to whistleblowers, CIA whistleblowers, military whistleblowers and stuff like that in America, about the fact that there was a non-human force manipulating human events.
And that it was, in part, not entirely, but in part, took a reptilian form when it did take form.
And I turn up in South Africa and meet Kredo Mutwa, coming from a completely different cultural background, and he concluded the same.
Even down to the reptilians, they call them the Chittahuri.
It's consciousness that connects us.
And it's the perception of labels that divide us, which is why racism is such a ridiculous thing, but such a powerful thing, providing the population that you don't want to be united because if they are, it's over for you.
Yeah. Even in astrology, some astrologers teach that Saturn can be a marker in your chart for being black, low-class, poor, or hard-working.
And so that always made me think about your talks about Saturn and always made me think about, is there a connection between being black and Saturn?
Is there a connection? Is there a reason for humanity to have these different races if we were created by other beings?
Was there a reason besides the divide and conquer consciousness, right?
So do we all represent certain things?
Was there anything that Credo said regarding that?
We do in a way, because what the body is, is an information field.
Mm-hmm. It's like a Wi-Fi field in its base form.
It's like a waveform Wi-Fi field and it's an information field.
So, you know, the information fields will be at least slightly different in the different races because the very fact that they're different races means there's different information in the field.
Right. So, yeah, I mean, and...
You know, you have an experience as a Zulu, you have an experience as a black American, you have an experience as a Mexican, you have an experience as a white bloke, and you overwhelmingly have different experiences.
I mean, there are great fusions, but you'll have different experiences.
Yeah, they are different in that level, but not different in terms of the fact we're all the same consciousness.
It's a slightly different experience.
So, yes, that's absolutely right.
I mean, I look at my life, and I look at Credo Mutua's life, they're not the same, but they came together in a unity.
They absolutely were different because he was born in a different part of the world and in a different racial situation, a different cultural situation.
So they're all different experiences.
But once you hold this, we're all consciousness and we're all expressions of each other.
When I look at a black person, Or a Jewish person.
Or an Asian person.
I don't see the body.
Obviously, I do. Yes.
But I don't see them in terms of the way I perceive them.
I see them as consciousness.
And this is the point, you see.
And this is missed.
Nazis are not German.
They're a state of consciousness.
Mm. And you can therefore manifest that consciousness in any cultural or racial situation.
You can have white Nazis, black Nazis, Asian Nazis, absolutely you can.
I mean, just look at history.
You can see it.
It's the consciousness that dictates behaviour.
Not the body.
But we have to be manipulated to perceive the physical, therefore the apartness, the world of apartness, apparent apartness.
So we see the world of unity.
And this is why the...
The way of getting out of this situation we're in is to go to consciousness and not judge everyone and judge everything By what the five senses are telling us.
Five senses, okay, that's important because they allow us to experience this world.
That's what the five senses do.
But they're the village idiot compared with consciousness in an expanded state.
And if you get pulled only in the five senses, because what the five senses are doing They're just processing information in a certain way.
And so if you're only operating within the five senses, you're only perceiving from the standpoint that those senses are decoding information.
You've got no other radar to...
To filter what you're experiencing and see it from another angle.
That's the only angle you can see it in because that's the only angle that's processing information.
And this is where you get people who are so stuck in their belief system.
And it doesn't matter how much evidence you give them.
They just go on sticking with it.
But when you start to expand your awareness, anyone can do it.
It's a natural state.
Then... You've got another point of observation, of observing life, of observing experience, to put, and this is the word, into context what the five senses are experiencing.
And so from here, it's the five senses.
You are the five senses and you are of the five senses.
You are in this world and you are of it.
But when you expand your awareness through self-identifying with the fact that you are consciousness in your prime form and not the body you're experiencing, then you're in the world through your five senses because that's what we're here to experience.
But you're not of the world in terms of all your perceptions of the world.
And from this You start to see things in a completely different way.
Instead of seeing dots and randomness, you see pictures, patterns, and coordination.
Awesome. You also just wrote another book, and that is for...
When do we get that?
And what's it about?
As fast as possible, because I only started it in January.
I've got so much information in my head, or wherever that is, after 30-odd years of doing this.
And the reason I started writing this book, I've nearly finished it, it just flowed out, is...
Because of the change that's taking place since the start of 2020.
We talked about it earlier.
There's so many people have broken out of this perceptual Alcatraz of seeing the world the way they're told to see it.
The experience has become such and the The way the world has changed has become such that it has actually got them to say, well, hold on a minute, what is going on?
But what is going on?
Why are they doing that?
I know it's not right. I know there's an agenda here, but what is it?
And why are they doing that?
And having, you know, researched this for 30 years, I thought if I knock out a book very quickly, connecting all the major dots so that people can see that's happening because of that.
And this is happening because that's what they want to achieve.
Like some of the things we've talked about here.
I mean, you put transgender in the context of transgender.
It looks a certain way.
the transformation of the human body into a no gender human and suddenly transgender and what's happening looks totally different the context this is what's missing Context.
Seeing that something is happening is only part of the story.
Your question is, why is it happening?
And how is it happening?
And that's the context which gives you enlightenment in terms of seeing what's happening instead of what appears to be happening.
So what all the news organizations and the mainstream media are doing and why all this censorship is going on, Is they don't want people to have context, because once you have context, you see it.
So when people are posting on the internet, on these social media platforms, information that puts current events into context, why is it happening and how is it happening?
They get censored.
They get censored because that's the last thing this cult wants is people to have context.
Why and how.
And so that's what I've done in this book.
And I'm going to get it out as fast as possible.
It will be the summer.
That's for sure. I can't wait.
Well, David, thank you so much for taking the time for this, and I'm excited to talk to you again in the future sometime.
Yeah, it's been great. It's been great.
Now I have to, like, because I think they're trying to turn us into greys.
That's my theory, is that, you know, that's the timeline that is one trajectory that we could be on.
And maybe the greys are coming back and looking at us and trying to help us not turn into that.
I don't know. Well, whatever.
We'll see. No, it's kind of funny.
Just very quickly, um, I've got two books up there which are big translations of texts that were found in an earthen jar in a place called Nag Hammadi in Egypt in 1945.
These texts from a belief system, really, called the Gnostics, described a force they call the Archons, which is Greek for rulers, that they said were manipulating this reality.
Yeah. And that this was a fake reality, and the real reality was beyond it, which I found fascinating, because I say this is a simulation that's been created.
And what they were describing, and it's supposed to have been put in this earthen jar, it's estimated around 400 AD, they were describing a simulation in their own language.
But what I found fascinating was they said that this, I've read many, many accounts Of these greys.
I mean, it's obvious that it's a phenomenon because there are just so many descriptions.
But I think they're AI. I think they're AI. I think that's what they are.
Because they act like AI. Where humans are being taken is in that same direction where we just become AI. And that's why this point we're at is so vital.
We turn the tide now, or the tide will be very difficult to turn around in the not-too-distant future.
And I think 2021 is a pivotal year in all this.
I really do. Where we are at the end of 2021 will give us a fix on where we're going, I think.
We signed up for this.
Enjoy as best you can.
We'll be sitting around in another reality at some point.
And we'll be saying, do you remember when we went to Earth, when all that madness was going on?
Yeah, what were you doing there?
Oh, I was in Mexico. I was in England.
It's an eternal journey, you know, so this is just an experience.
Not very nice at the moment.
Not very nice. But it's still a phenomenal opportunity to exercise compassion and foresight and not give up our power, like you said in the beginning.
A wonderful opportunity to realize the debilitating nature of fear.
When you know that there is no death and that we're on this eternal journey, then what is there to fear?
Nothing. It's just an experience.
And how we receive and process that experience dictates what the experience is to us and how we...
How we actually experience it, because to one person something could be this, but to another person who's experiencing it in a different way and processing it in a different way, the experience can appear totally different.
And so it's always in the receiver.
It's like this thing with offence.
I don't understand that.
I'm offended.
So I don't get that thought process.
What do you mean you're offended? Don't we then?
They're not offending you.
You're being offended.
And so you have the power.
You can either give it away and allow the person you say is offending you to offend you.
Or you can keep your power and say, I don't care what you think.
Thanks for sharing that with me.
Have a nice day. Right.
Of the same situation.
Yeah. Yeah.
Absolutely true. Thank you and I'll reach out again for sure.
Have a lovely day in Mexico.
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