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March 10, 2021 - David Icke
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The Power Of Perception - David Icke
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So, let's get started.
So So,
All right, everybody welcome into the fifth dimension podcast and
And for today's show, I am joined by the one and only David Icke.
David, thanks for taking the time to come on the show.
It's a pleasure. And I'm not surprised you've moved.
You were telling me what the madness is going on.
Unfortunately, in Britain, we can't move.
Yeah. Because it's the same everywhere.
Right. No, you're kind of stuck there.
And even with this, there's only a few free spots, you could say, in the United States, and I found one of them in South Dakota.
So it's nice to be here. We'll see what happens moving forward.
I don't know. It's a little slippery slope.
We'll certainly dive into that.
But I wanted to start, and I think this is sort of a good foundation piece for looking forward and what's to come.
Sort of the idea of what is our natural state?
Because I feel a lot of people have become so disillusioned With themselves, they become, everything is externalized, you know, consumerism, materialism, and we really externalize our whole sense of being.
I mean, I've been reading your book, The Answer, and I'm about halfway through it, and it's fantastic.
And I think the beginning of the book really covers this well, sort of how our perceptions, you could say, have been hijacked and Could you dive into that?
How our perceptions have been hijacked?
What our natural state of being is and what might the implications of that be?
Sure. I mean, if you take the true I, which is consciousness, it's an eternal, ever-experiencing, ever-exploring consciousness.
In fact, we're all part of one consciousness.
We're just different points of attention, unique points of attention within one infinite flow of consciousness.
And part of this exploration of possibility is Is to experience different worlds, if you like, but they're not really worlds.
They're bands of frequency.
And we take on form because form is a certain type of experience, but it also focuses your attention on Within a certain band of frequency.
For instance, the human body, let's look at the visual perceptions of the human body.
What we can actually see is ridiculous.
It's so small, it's laughable.
So if you take the science view that The electromagnetic spectrum, which is way beyond just what we can see, is about 0.005% of what exists in the universe.
Some say it's a bit bigger, up to about 0.5, but tiny.
And the visible light frequency The only world that we can see is a smear, really, of the 0.005% of the electromagnetic spectrum.
So first of all, what this experience called human does is focus the attention of our consciousness into this world.
So when we're born, our attention, our sense of reality...
Is dominated by what we can see and what we interact with, which is this tiny band of frequency that the body can interact with.
And the idea is that we have this greater consciousness that's not subjected to this focus, that interacts with That which is, if you like, in the body, we want to term.
And so you've got this expansion of that which is experiencing and that which is observing the experience and can see the experience for what it is.
I've used the analogy a few times in my books of This level, this experiential level, going down a river on a canoe.
And all it can see is the next turn in the river.
And so it's experiencing on that basis.
But the greater consciousness, not subject to the limitations and the focus of the body, can see the entire river from source to sea.
So it's got the big picture.
And if you can interact with that level of self, not some guy in a spaceship, another level of our own consciousness, then you've got this balance of the experiencer and the observer, the big picture level.
What has happened in human society for a very, very long time and for a specific reason of control We, as a human race, generation after generation, have been manipulated to focus upon and self-identify with only that level that's experiencing this reality through the body.
I'll call it the five sense level.
The five sense level is decoding reality, literally decoding reality, On the basis of what we call the physical world.
It's not really physical, it's holographic.
The illusory physical, but it appears physical in our interaction with it.
And when you only perceive through the five senses, because of the way they decode reality, everything seems apart from everything else.
Nothing seems connected.
And the I, the you, Appears to be the experiencer, which we give names to.
We give labels to. We give it a name, David Icke.
We give it a sex, man, woman, or transgender these days.
We... Follow a race, or we give it a name of a race.
We follow a religion. We have an income bracket.
That's another part of the I. And so you've got all these labels that we're given to self-identify with.
And when you self-identify only with the labels, not as something that you, consciousness, eternal consciousness, is experiencing for a brief time, but the labels are who you are, then you are going to see the world in very limited terms.
You're going to see yourself in very limited terms.
Because at that level of the five senses and the illusory physical treacle world, Everything seems so limited.
So I can't.
So it's not possible.
And when you drop into these perceptual states of sense of limitation, sense of little me...
Then, of course, the tendency is to look to something else to tell you what to believe, how to behave, and what's good for you and what's not.
We call that authority.
So this has been systematically done to focus attention...
Therefore, self-identity in this, what I call, label consciousness.
When that's not what we are, that's what we're experiencing.
And when you take that view of the self, I am the consciousness having an experience.
It's very brief.
It might be quite interesting.
And at the end of the cycle of the body, I'm going to be going off to explore...
The rest of infinity.
You live a life in a different way.
And things that frighten you and intimidate you in five-sense mode, not least fear of death, don't when you self-identify in a much more expanded way.
And this is not someone sitting cross-legged on a mountain saying this.
Anyone can do it. It's our natural state.
Our interaction, our influence of higher levels of our awareness, that's our natural state.
We've been manipulated into an unnatural state.
And because only by doing that can a tiny few people relative to the global population control billions and billions of people.
Right, right.
And I was gonna say, in the United States in particular, it's very easy to see over the last several years, especially how the labels have increased.
I mean, race has been magnified like never before.
We have feminist groups at war with transgender groups and we have all of these different
divisions of and subsections of people really just fighting amongst themselves,
almost to try and place themselves like on top of this illusionary like hierarchy you could say.
And it's really, I feel it's really disconnecting us from the bigger picture.
It's disconnecting us from one, we don't ask why.
Why are we divided like this?
Who is it that's perpetrating these labels?
I think most people don't even think to question them.
And then it disconnects us.
We see what's going on right now, particularly with lockdowns and COVID. We just sort of bend over to authority.
We just allow them to...
Really do whatever it is because we feel that they have our best interests in mind or they are the ones who have fed us this existence, if you will.
I feel like we're really giving up our own sovereignty in a lot of ways when we When we heavily attach to specific labels, it's almost sort of like...
There was a great quote, and maybe you want to expand on this, that I heard you talk about how people are sort of in this prison, but it's very difficult to get people to get out of it when they don't actually realize that they're in prison.
They think they're free.
I don't know if you wanted to expand on that or how people can sort of wake up to beyond five cents perception.
Well, what you said earlier was very true.
Point I've made in the books in recent times is, you know, people are now being manipulated into subdivisions and subdivisions of the original labels.
That's why this list of letters, LBGT, and it goes on and on and on now and gets longer because people now have been manipulated into self-identifying with the absolute minute eye of what they claim to be.
And the more that you...
You concentrate a sense of self-identity into a smaller and smaller label, the more and more you are withdrawing from an influence of the greater self.
And this has been done by design, because we have two worlds.
This frequency band may not be very wide, but it's got two worlds in it.
There's the world of the population, and the population...
is systematically kept in as much ignorance as possible.
It's given as much information as it needs to function and serve the other world, but no more in an ideal situation because you want them devoid of the knowledge About many things, not least the nature of reality and the nature of the eye, that this other world has and passes on through the generations through the secret society network.
So this other world operates in the hidden from public attention, and it's a network of secret societies and semi-secret groups Which at the inner core pass on very advanced knowledge, both of the nature of reality and also where the world is being taken by this other world, what I call the global cult.
And the idea is to keep the public in ignorance of what that knows.
And so...
What people like me do and those that research this is seek to uncover the information from over here and pass it on to the public.
Now, obviously, I've had this experience over more than 30 years now of communicating what I've uncovered from this To the public in general.
And because the population is kept in such ignorance of what that knows, when you communicate what's actually happening and how they're doing it and what they know, most people here go, you're mad, mate. You're crazy.
That's not possible.
No, you've been manipulated to think it's not possible to keep you in ignorance of actually the way you're being manipulated.
And funnily enough, your perception of the possible is not necessarily a limit on what is possible.
So what you've got, overwhelmingly, is a massive division of knowledge between the two.
And One of the profound areas of knowledge in this cult world is how the human psyche works and how to manipulate it.
Because if you go deep into the inner core of this global cult, you get them in a single room.
Compared with the global population, they are tiny in number.
But therefore, they can't control you physically.
I mean, look at law enforcement now with the lockdowns and the masks and all that nonsense.
They can't enforce it Unless the public, the population themselves, massively help them to enforce it.
Of course, there's not enough of them.
Even, you know, take the law enforcement level.
So the idea is that you manipulate the perceptions of the population, not least by keeping them in ignorance, so that they act the way that suits your agenda.
So if you look at the pandemic hoax, People went under house arrest meekly and mildly in the early months of 2020 because of two perceptions.
One, which was the majority, was that there was really a deadly virus.
And that the authorities were trying to protect us from this deadly virus, and thus we have to listen to them and do what the authorities say to protect you from the deadly virus.
And that accounted for the vast majority of people who meekly went under house arrest in the early months of 2020.
Then there was another group that had started to realize, actually, you know, I'm not sure all this is true.
I think we're being lied to here.
But their perception was But what are the consequences for me of not doing what I'm told to do?
And so they meekly went under house arrest, even though perceptually they were reluctant to do so, they still did.
And then there was a third group which could see it was a scam.
They were very small in number at the time and refused to cooperate with it and cooperate with their own enslavement.
And that group has to get massively bigger to bring an end to this nonsense.
But you can see in that example the fundamental connection between perception and behavior.
And so you've got this little sequence that basically describes it all.
Information, control information, that's what all the censorship's about now.
Control information and you, to a very large extent, dictate perception.
Perception comes from information received.
Perception becomes behavior.
We behave the way we do because we perceive the way we do.
And collectively, that behavior is called human society.
And this is how it's done.
It's like it's always been done.
All the techniques that I describe in the books over the years about how people are manipulated, they're all perceptual manipulating and emotional manipulating tricks and techniques.
And all we've seen with this pandemic hoax is those techniques being used on a global scale all at the same time.
Because this is a It's a psychological war on the human psyche.
So if you look at the British government, and this is just the British government, they'll all be the same.
The policy in Britain, the lockdowns, the masks, and all that goes with it, is not being driven, actually, by health policies.
It's being driven by psychologists.
The British government has a private company, part owns a private company, called the Behavioural Insights Team.
It operates out of the Cabinet Office or is run by the Cabinet Office in London.
And its job has been all along, and now it's really coming into its own, if you like, is to observe the population, understand how the psyche works, What stimulus A will produce in a reaction?
And then use those techniques on the population to manipulate their They're perceptions.
And therefore, do as you want.
And this behavioral insights team is known also as the Nudge Unit.
And that comes from a book by an American called Cass Sunstein.
He was a, quote, czar in the Obama administration.
He now works as a behavior manipulator advisor to the World Health Organization.
And another bloke called Thaler who wrote a book with him called Nudge.
And that's where that comes from.
So, you know, they've been preparing for this for a long time.
And there's also a body that advises the British government on, quote, COVID policy, which is really the driver of it all.
I mean, people like, you know, Boris Johnson, the Prime Minister, they're just script readers.
They're not deciding policy.
But this, it's called SAGE, this scientific advisory group, and it has part of its network is called SPI-B, and that is a behavior manipulation operation.
So it all comes back to this.
So we have a lady here called Professor Susan Mikey.
Who has been pushing last week or so for even fiercer lockdown rules.
She was the one that was going on to the media pushing for mandatory masks.
And yet she's not a medical professional.
She's a psychologist.
She's a behavioral psychologist and a member of the British Communist Party, by the way.
So it's all been driven by psychology.
And so, for instance, When they started out, the psychology was pretty simple.
There's a deadly virus.
And I, you know, I'd sussed what was going on early, but then I'd been researching these people for 30 years.
I know how they work. You know, the general population, I completely understand that they were going, well, hold on a minute.
It's a deadly virus.
What's happening? What's happening? And the pictures coming out of China, the reason they came out of China, you know, seem to support that.
And, you know, I can understand why people kind of acquiesced to only three weeks, flatten the curve, that's what they were told.
But as the months have passed, right up towards the end of 2020, more and more people were realizing, actually, this alleged virus doesn't look so deadly.
And so psychologically, The key element of this behavioural manipulation was being lost and eroded, and that's fear.
People were losing fear.
And of course, they're just coming through at the end of 2020.
To introduce this, this Gates DNA manipulating vaccine, this mRNA synthetic manipulation of the human genome, basically.
And so they had to sell that somehow and they had to get, they want everyone to have it.
But people were getting less and less frightened of this virus.
Right. I'm still, I am still yet to meet anyone who's had the virus.
I'm yet to meet anyone.
And, you know, if I did meet them and, you know, one or two might say, oh, no, my friend had it.
Well, how do you know they had the virus?
Well, they tested positive for it.
Yeah. With a test, it's not actually testing for the virus.
So it's all bloody nonsense.
So what they did when the fear was starting to erode was that they started coming up with variants, variants.
Oh, it's a variant.
It's more transmissible.
Oh, this one could be more deadly and all that stuff.
And it was all psychology, not health, to get people in fear.
So they do as they're told and they'd have the vaccine because they were fearing the consequences of not doing so, even though the vaccine is not a vaccine.
If you look at the official definition of a vaccine from the CDC in America, for instance, it's something that affects the immune system in a way that gives immune protection to the person from a given disease.
Now, on that basis, this so-called COVID vaccine is not a vaccine at all, because they don't even claim it does that.
They only claim that it might reduce some of the worst symptoms as they claim.
But when you look at the testing non-trials, which were done by the manufacturers of the vaccine or lead vaccine, then not even that claim stands up to scrutiny.
And so they've got to keep people in this state of fear.
And so we've had a South African variant.
We've had a Brazilian variant.
I mean, you know, grab a map of the world, you know, pick them off.
There's one in the United States, I believe.
But they're all coming. And in Britain, we've got a county in Britain to the east of London called Kent.
It goes down to the coast looking out to France.
And we have a Kent variant now.
And because of the Kent variant, they're now knocking on people's doors in that area telling people that they should have a test for the Kent variant.
And because... It is basically like getting wet paint on your hands.
Everything you touch is everywhere.
What happens is, it's very simple.
The way they pulled off this scan, there's many elements to it.
But there's three main elements to it on which it's all founded.
Number one, a test not testing for the virus called the RT-PCR test, where the maker of the test, the creator of the test, Kerry Mullis, vehemently said publicly, this test...
Developed it in the 1980s.
This test cannot test for infectious disease.
Can't do it. He was vehement about it in the days when they were using the PCR test to test for the HIV virus, which they said caused AIDS. They produced no evidence to support that, of course.
But they were doing the HIV on the On the PCR test, and he spoke out against it.
It can't test for infectious disease.
So why are they using a test that does not test for infectious disease to test for infectious disease?
Because they need a means of producing the fake cases, which they can claim are real cases, to justify the fascism that they do in its name.
And then in January 2020, right on cue, Just as the whole thing was starting to move towards the West, came a bloke called Christian Drosten.
He's a German virologist, and he came out with the PCR protocol to test for COVID-19 or SARS-CoV-2.
It was a protocol that was not peer-reviewed, or they claimed it was peer-reviewed in 24 hours.
In other words, it wasn't.
But he immediately came up with it.
Ted Ross at the World Health Organization, the Gates Voice Box, He said to all the members of the World Health Organization, the countries around the world, this is what you must use to test if people have got the virus or not.
And it turns out that Drosten's got quite a background, including the fact that his mate, who works with him on the protocols, has a A big company, even bigger now, that produces the tests based on his protocol.
I mean, what?
And he's being taken to court now by a prominent lawyer in Germany In a class action lawsuit, in which Ted Ross is also named, for crimes against humanity.
Because on the basis of this test that's not testing for the virus, has come all the alleged cases on which all the fascism has been justified.
And then, when you test positive with a test not testing for the virus, and you die of any other cause within 28 days, falling down the stairs, motorcycle accident, anything.
And in some cases, it's a lot longer than that.
Then COVID-19 goes on your death certificate, and that goes on the number of people that have died from this alleged virus.
So we've just passed the figure, much vaunted in the press, of 100,000 deaths from, quote, COVID-19.
And it's a nonsense.
It's an insult to the intelligence.
That's not happening at all.
But the point is, the reason they want more and more and more and more and more and more testing is they know they're going to get more and more and more and more fake positives, which they're going to call cases, to justify expansion and expansion and expansion of this unfolding fascism.
And the other key element of this whole hoax, the foundation, is is a symptomatic transmission.
What a scam that is!
Because they knew that when they use this test, because it's not testing for infectious disease, That large numbers of people, vast numbers of people, percentage-wise, are going to test positive, but they're going to have no symptoms because there's nothing wrong with them.
But we somehow have to justify Lockdown and house arrest across the world because the goal is to destroy independent livelihoods and independent employment.
So you take complete control through dependency of the population.
So how do we justify lockdowns to get what we want when we know that vast numbers of people that Test positive.
They're going to have nothing wrong with them.
They're going to have no symptoms. Ah, got it.
What we'll say, with no evidence, is that even though you've got no symptoms, you can still pass it on.
And that's been the justification of locking down and isolating, for the first time, people who are not sick.
And it's all a psychological game.
And it's absolutely right that people like Drosden and Tedros, though there are people much more implicated than them, are being subject to legal action for crimes against humanity because that's exactly what it is.
Right. No, I would definitely agree.
I wonder, the courts might be influenced by sort of this cult, like you mentioned, so whether they're actually implicated and have to pay consequences for that, I guess, remains to be seen.
And it's interesting, too, because, you know, it's all done in the name of science.
The idea of science, I feel, has been completely hijacked.
I mean, I think it was John Hopkins the other day.
And this got taken down within 24 hours, of course, but they posted the total death count in the United States, and it was the exact same as it was in the previous years, right?
And in terms of COVID-19 deaths, heart disease went down.
All of these other diseases went down in direct correlation with supposed the increase of deaths that were caused by COVID-19.
So there... They're coming out with the idea that we need to wear double masks now.
And they're doing all these different psychological tricks and hijacking because people want to trust the science.
It's almost become like a cult religion, science itself.
It is a cult religion.
It's a cult religion perpetrated by a global cult.
But, of course, all over the world, literally all over the world, flu has basically disappeared.
Yeah. And it's disappeared because flu, funnily enough, has flu-like symptoms.
And what do they say COVID-19 has?
Flu-like symptoms. So what they've done is, even on that alone, a massive redesignation of flu to COVID-19, which is where again the cases and the The deaths are coming from the fake cases and the fake deaths in terms of the cause.
And so the The whole thing is a psychological confidence trick, a psychological magic trick, which unfortunately grasps the minds of so many people all over the world.
But more and more people are confident.
Withdrawing from that perception, the longer this goes on, because it makes no sense to people with brain on active duty, and B, the more desperate they get, To sell fear and to sell the agenda, the more ludicrous, ridiculous, and childlike, contradictory become the excuses to do it, and more and more people therefore see through it.
But it is an extraordinary example and a very in-your-face example Of exactly how humanity has been manipulated en masse for as long as known history can be traced back.
Control perception, you control behavior, control behavior, you control the world or the society in which you're operating.
And it's just a stark repeat of that that's going on now.
Right. No, definitely.
And I do think as we continue forward, there's going to be a point where people at least have that feeling of something isn't right here.
Like, does this really add up?
And I guess whether people actually explore that as a whole nother thing.
I would hope people would.
And with that in mind, I do want to kind of look forward.
I mean, the idea of the Great Reset, I'm seeing that thrown around all the time.
And it's actually sort of entering into people who are traditionally...
They wouldn't dive into what would be considered a conspiracy theory.
So it's sort of entering mainstream conversation.
And I wonder, what are your thoughts on what this upcoming year...
What is going to look like?
Because with the Great Reset, they have all of the...
I guess you could call them leaders.
I hesitate to call these politicians leaders.
But they have all the leaders in place.
Everybody's following the same agenda.
What do you expect the rest of this year to look like and how we're sort of moving towards this supposed Great Reset?
Well, they're all basically behaving and doing the same thing, because this is all, of course,
globally coordinated. It's not countries making their own decisions. And it's a very simple
structure. You have the World Health Organization created by the Rockefellers, owned now through
funding by Bill Gates. And that dictates the policy, has done since this all started, which
the countries of the UN, well, it is part of the UN, the World Health Organization dictate.
You've then got a handful of people in each country, the chief medical officer, the chief scientific advisor.
We've got two blokes called Whitty and Balance.
You've got Fauci in America, etc.
And those sort of people are in every country.
And they then take that policy, centrally dictated, and impose it upon their particular country.
And in that way, that real simple structure, a centrally dictated agenda is played out all over the world at the same time, because it's a global agenda being played out through its constituent parts.
So it's a situation where if you know where we're being taken, daily events become crystal clear.
But if you don't, if you don't know that, A, there's an agenda, and B, where it's taken is, what the outcome is planned to be, then these events become just bewildering.
What's going on? What are they doing now?
What's happening? So it's a phrase I use, know the outcome and you'll see the journey.
When you know where we're being taken, you'll see us going towards where we're being taken every day.
Very simple. That's why when this kicked off, I knew it was a scam.
Of course, I knew it was going to give this cult everything that it wanted.
All the checklist, all the wish list, which is now called the Great Reset, was all there.
I could see it when they played all this deadly virus.
I thought, here we go.
This is going to give them everything they want.
And that checklist of the Great Reset is being ticked off faster and faster and faster.
So first of all, They want, well, let's put it this way, for, you know, a long time now, a long, long time, I've been saying that the structure, which is now called the Great Reset, of global society that this cult is working for, I called it the Hunger Games Society after the The movie trilogy because I think it was more than a trilogy, but the structure of that movie society,
you had the tiny, tiny elite in, you know, limitless luxury and wealth in the capital.
And then you had the rest of that society broken up and kept apart, sea travel bans and social distancing, etc.
They were kept apart in sectors.
And these different sectors serve the capital in different ways, but they weren't allowed to meet and interact.
And the structure of the Hunger Games Society for real Is to have a tiny few people at the top of the pyramid.
People call them the 1%, I call them the inner core of the cult.
And they would, through dependency of the population for survival, control the population in general, through that dependency.
Because The idea, and here we come to why these lockdowns have been created, the idea has been to destroy the independent income, businesses and livelihoods of the population in general.
Because while they have those independent incomes and employment, they're not going to be independent on the few at the top, and therefore they're not going to be under the control of the few at the top, the top of the pyramid.
So you have to destroy the...
The incomes, the independent incomes of the population, because then they become dependent on the state and dependent on the cult, which control the states.
And so the lockdowns have been coldly calculated to achieve that.
And of course, they vastly have as businesses have gone under and people have lost all their money.
And where they had this system, they still have it in Britain, call them furlough payments, where they give people a percentage of their income when their employer is forced to close because of lockdown.
They've been buying time with that.
they've been buying time to stop serious resistance because a lot of people have said,
well this is all right, I don't have to go to work and I still get so much percentage of the income.
But the idea is that they are being led to the edge of the cliff and every time they have a
lockdown more businesses go under and so the theoretical employees of that business who've
been getting paid from the government through that theoretical employment, where you're employed
has been forced to close due to lockdown so we'll give you some payments.
Well, those payments stopped.
Every time one of those businesses go because you're no longer any longer a theoretical employee of that business because the business is gone.
So more and more people are falling out of the furlough payments into unemployment benefit, which is pathetic.
And this is going on.
And the idea is that they're being led to the edge of the cliff economically.
And the plan is to...
Introduce, and I tell you, this has been in my books for years and years and years and years back, about the plan for demolishing the economy and bringing in a guaranteed income, which would be a pittance.
And what are you seeing all the time, more and more all the time now, Is the authorities talking about the need for a guaranteed income.
And the guaranteed income is a complete scam to control the population in this way.
You give them a pittance, a barely survivable pittance called a guaranteed income.
But they only get that if they do as they're told.
And if they don't, they don't get it.
And by the way, all the jobs have gone either to AI or lockdown.
So where else are you going to get money to put food on the table?
And if you look to Australia, they've already started this process.
I mean, in China, it's well advanced.
But in Australia, they introduced a law that...
People on state benefits, parents who didn't have their children vaccinated according to the protocol recommended by the government, in other words, recommended by Big Pharma and the manufacturers, they would lose benefits payments if they didn't have their kids vaccinated.
And that's the idea of the guaranteed income.
So you only get it if you do what you're told.
Otherwise, you know, you're on your own.
And so here we have with the Great Reset is part of that is the guaranteed income.
Now between the inner core of the cult and the population in this pyramid hierarchy is designed to be a police-military state.
A fusion of the two.
So it's not just a police state, it's a police military state, and eventually the idea is that they become one force.
Globally, centrally dictated by a world government.
And look what's happened since the start of 2020, and the fascistic imposition of ludicrous rules and regulations on the population on the basis of enforcement Very often with great brutality by law enforcement.
And we've seen it in places like Victoria, Australia.
And my God, we've seen it in this country.
And it's ongoing in this country.
I mean, I call the police in this country the yellow shirts.
And I think that's accurate.
In their luminous jackets.
I mean, black shirts, brown shirts, yellow shirts.
You see the recurring theme here.
And so you're seeing now this structure which I've been writing about was the plan for all these years forming in front of our eyes of this police-military state imposing the will of the few upon the population.
And this is very relevant to what's happening in Washington, D.C. now.
I was saying in the early part of 2020, Part of this plan is to put the military on the streets as part of this fusion into this police-military state.
And all the way through 2020, more and more, the military was being used for various things.
In this country, they've been used to do testing and to be part of this whole vaccination rollout.
And of course, it's reached the point now with Biden coming in, which will be the most extreme fascistic regime in American history.
He's already started.
You've got these thousands of troops in Washington and more actually being deployed there.
And it's a massive symbol of Of exactly where this is planned to go.
And so the Great Reset is a globally centralized dictatorship that will control every element of your life.
And that's why...
I've been going on and on and on.
You know, how long are we going to wait until we say enough?
Because every day, literally, that passes, we're going step closer and closer to that outcome.
And we call it out now because we have the numbers.
If the population would wake up, billions and billions of people worldwide against a relative handful.
But if they don't wake up, then this is where it's heading.
Right. No, definitely.
And it's easy to hear all that and see so clearly what you're talking about.
I mean, I was talking about last summer, just looking at China and how they were such a technocratic state.
And I was like, you know, that definitely feels like the direction we're moving in in the United States.
And sure enough, that rampant escalation has picked up.
I think for the inauguration day, they had troops at...
Every single Capitol building in the United States.
So, you know, they're making their presence felt.
And just like in Britain, I think the National Guard is going to be in charge of the vaccine rollout.
So it's going to be, they're going to be all over the place in these next coming months.
The thing is that we're back to perception.
Because this thing, the new normal, it's actually describing exactly that perceptual technique.
What you do is you change people's perception of normal.
How many people now, especially the young, will really struggle to Remember what life was like before the spring of 2020.
Right. And kids being born now, this is all they've ever known.
This is their normal. Right.
And so when you start putting troops, I mean, troops on the street to start with is a what?
Because it's not normal.
But when they've been there for a while, it becomes normal.
And this is one of the reasons that when I see something that's ridiculous as I'm going about my life in relation to all this, I have to say so.
I have to point out it's ridiculous, that it's contradictory, that it's a nonsense, because I'm not going to get sucked in to having a different sense of normality.
By what I'm experiencing changing and changing and changing to the point where it starts to absorb me and the change becomes the new normal.
That's why I say, excuse me, that is absolutely ridiculous what you're doing there.
What are you enforcing that for?
What's the point? To keep me in a situation where I'm not being absorbed by the new normal.
But that's the idea, to do that.
You change things, you make them normal.
And once they become your sense of normality, there's no resistance anymore.
No resistance.
And it's been brilliantly done, actually, because these people are sick.
And they give evil a bad name, frankly.
I mean, you know, I've said a number of times I would call these people evil, except evil would probably sue for defamation of character.
But they are.
More than people can imagine.
But they're not stupid.
And they're very, very, very skilled at manipulating perceptual states.
Right. No, definitely.
And I think the idea of evil is a good thing to bring up because I think most people don't...
We aren't taught this sort of lesson in morality.
Like, what is good?
What is evil?
So people don't even... When the evil is presented, they don't have that sense of what evil even is.
Like, people don't realize that somebody like Hitler was actually...
A human. That was real.
That happened. And because we don't have these awful atrocities in our face, people just don't recognize when they're being taken advantage of, when they're being manipulated.
And, you know, looking ahead, I see all of this taking place.
And I feel like we're...
We have almost two worlds that are being created kind of similar to what you're talking about
There's the people who want to be controlled who want to live in fear
but then there's the people like you like myself who are just not allowing their sense of normalcy to
be changed not allowing our perception to be dominated by this lower frequency of fear and
Looking forward I I have this sense of optimism
I don't even know if optimism is the right word.
It's almost sort of this knowing.
It kind of goes back to what our natural state is, that we are infinite.
We are eternal. So regardless of What takes place, there's very little fear for me.
And, you know, does the answer, like what we're looking for, how we solve this, does it come from that space of conscious awareness?
Like, what is it that's going to ultimately, I guess you could say, rid this agenda or get us back more in alignment, if it's even possible at this point?
Well, I mean, there's a lot of things I could say about that, but one thing's for sure.
We're not going to change this by doing Just physical things, if you like.
Like a physical protest or creating a physical organisation and getting someone to take physical minutes.
You know, they have their place, but they're not the core, the foundation of how you change anything.
So, again...
This cult is not hidden from the general population, the nature of reality by accident or for a laugh, but because it's fundamentally important to keeping the public people under control.
So if you keep people in the five sense level of perception and identity, what you have is people that see that the only way to change anything is physical, because they believe it's physical will.
So you get people who are in that mode and can see that there's a problem with fascism who will think, well, we stop power weapons.
It's a physical thing. I'm not saying there's not physical things that need to be played out.
Of course they do. But I'm talking about the origin, the source of the change.
And people think like that because they perceive the world to be physical and solid and everything apart from everything else.
But it's not like that at all.
This is a world that is based on information fields.
My body is an information field.
The nature of the information in that field dictates that my body looks like it does.
You know, and various animals and insects and all the other forms of life, they have different information fields and therefore they have different bodies.
And you look at the life cycles of humans, the life cycles of animals, where, you know, you are born an elephant and you behave like an elephant.
You're born human and you behave like a human.
This is because of information fields.
These cycles are information fields.
The body is an information field in its base form.
And we are part of a field of information.
You know, you Can use the analogy of fish in the sea.
We are swimming or existing in this sea of information, possibility, and probability.
And we are... I mean, think of a Wi-Fi field.
That's the most simplest way of doing it.
We're operating within a Wi-Fi field, a cosmic Wi-Fi field of information, possibility, probability.
And our perceptions are impacting upon that field, and that field is impacting upon our perceptions.
So if you perceive yourself in a certain way, then you will almost certainly manifest out of that field,
a life experience that reflects your perception.
So if someone thinks they're little me and has no power, then they will live a life which will reflect that perception.
And people will think that they have no power because of a feedback loop in which they think they have no power.
And their life experience is they have no power.
But one is creating the other.
One's a cause and effect. So this is why when people break out of that You know, five sense level of perception, the little me, they start to realize that their life is starting to expand.
But as they expand their awareness, so the possibilities that happen in their lives start to change.
And they become, they realize that they're capable of far more than they thought they were.
And the only thing that's changed is their perception.
And if you break it down, like I said earlier, perception becomes behavior and collective behavior becomes human society.
So what makes human society what it is now is the collective state of human perception.
It's just a reflection of that.
It's just a projection of that.
The world is a projection of Mass human perception.
And like I said earlier, the events of 2020 up to present time are simply a manifestation of the perceptions of the population.
That's why what's happened, happened, because the perceptions of the population.
So suddenly, you get to a deeper level of how we kind of change this, because no longer are you dealing with a physical...
Solid, treacle-like world in which everything's so slow, it's going to take so long to change anything and all that stuff.
Suddenly you are in a situation where actually reality is malleable.
And it's actually operating on an information field level.
And the physical is just...
It's almost an illusory reflection of that.
It's like what we call the physical is like the movie screen and the information electromagnetic waveform level is the projector.
And so suddenly it's like if we change our perceptions then our behavior changes.
And if collective behaviour changes, that's human society.
So human society changes.
The answer is a transformation in human perception.
No weapons necessary, not even any protests necessary, really, although they're a good reflection of public feeling.
It's simply a transformation of perception, and it changes.
Because this is a reflection of perception, so this must change when perception changes.
So let's just switch perception around.
Instead of protesting in Washington, D.C., why not the 75 million people who voted for Trump?
Why instead don't they just say, I'm not cooperating with my own enslavement anymore?
I'm not wearing a mask.
I'm going to open my business.
And if 75 million people in America did that, it would be unenforceable to stop them.
There's not enough law enforcement to stop 75 million people who won't cooperate.
No violence necessary.
You know, none of it.
You just don't cooperate with your own enslavement anymore, the enslavement of your kids.
It's what I call the power of no.
So someone comes out and says, you know, the White House or Capitol Hill or Downing Street, and they said, right, this is what's going to happen.
If enough people in the population switch their perception from either, well, I better do as I'm told, or, well, I don't want to, but I better do as I'm told, to, I'm not doing it.
We're not doing it. It's over.
It's finished because you've got a different perceptual state from I am going to cooperate with my own enslavement to I am not.
And the different societies that those two perceptions create are absolutely fantastic.
Imagine last spring if 75 million people in America had said, I'm not locking down.
I'm not shutting my business.
No. Right. It wouldn't have been possible to enforce it, but because they did, it was.
And this is the answer staring us in the face.
Eight billion people being manipulated and a relative handful doing the manipulating and at the same time manipulating law enforcement, which are actually part of the people, to enforce their will on the people.
That's how it's done.
And I mean, if you look at how simple it is, If you think of a pyramid structure of a hierarchy, national and international, and at the top you've got this inner core of this cult.
And it imposes its will on the level below.
And the level below acquiesces to that will and imposes it on the level below.
And this goes down all the way through the pyramid with imposition, acquiescence, imposition, acquiescence, imposition, acquiescence.
And it comes all the way down the pyramid.
And then you come to the mass of the people at the bottom.
And if they acquiesce to the level of the hierarchy that's imposing on them, like governments and law enforcement, then they complete a circuit between the tiny few at the top of the pyramid and the mass of the population, a circuit of imposition acquiescence, imposition acquiescence, which has allowed those tiny few people at the top of the pyramid to impose their will on the entire global population.
And if we stopped acquiescing To the impositions of authority, when it's clear it's being done for no other reason than to enslavers, then it's over.
It's over.
And it's so simple, but it's getting people to do it.
And the first few people have to be the examples.
And of course, when there's a few of you, you can get picked off.
But when vast numbers of people are doing it, Where the real power is and has always been with the people will become clear.
I would quickly say this, just as a writer to that, that there is a difference in attitude between when people are being imposed upon and they have something to lose or they think they have, So they acquiesce to that imposition because they don't want to lose what they think they can lose.
At a point where we're heading to so fast, where people are just going to lose everything.
And they're going to say, well, what have I got to lose standing up to these people now?
I've lost everything. There's nothing not to lose.
And the attitudes change when that comes around.
It's like that song in the 60s, freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
It's very true. And we're heading towards that.
And how people react in that time, in the way that we're talking, will decide if this cult fascism is going to prevail or not.
Right. Definitely.
And because of the simplicity, like you mentioned, that's why I think why I have optimism, because it is a snap of the fingers.
We could all wake up tomorrow and decide, no, we're done.
This is it. We're going to do something else.
And if that happens, game over.
And it's as simple as that.
So, David, we're at about an hour.
I want to be mindful of your time.
And I want to thank you so much for coming on the show and sharing your insights, sharing your wisdom.
There's a lot I think people can take from this.
And, you know, hopefully moving forward, like you're saying, people wake up to this simple solution and we can get this information out there for enough people.
Well, that's one of the biggest things, you see.
The simplicity of the situation.
For me, genius is always seeing the simple hidden by the complex.
Because all genius is founded on simplicity.
It's seeing the simple hidden Where others see the complex.
And the point is that this cult structure of society wants it to seem incredibly complex.
Because the more people think it's complex, the more people won't do anything because they'll think it's just too complex to do anything with.
Break through the complexity.
And it's all illusory complexity.
I mean, it can seem complex in the way it plays out, but break through it to the core.
What is the foundation?
What is the dynamic of the situation we face?
What is the dynamic of power?
And the dynamic of power is the cult doesn't have any unless it gets us to give it ours.
We take it back and the cult doesn't have any anymore.
It's so simple and I'm with you in what you've just said.
It is the fact that it is so simple and the numbers are so profound in the difference that keeps you encouraged because the world can change overnight if people do.
Right. Definitely.
And I feel like if we weren't ready for it, then it wouldn't be happening as it is right now.
If anything, it's the next step in our sort of collective raising of consciousness.
So, you know, it's a good test for us as a species to raise our consciousness, come together as one, drop all of the illusions, and then, you know, find true freedom, because I don't think we've had it.
Yeah, well, you know, I'm fortunate in a way.
I'm fortunate because I've been doing this now for over 30 years, and I remember what it was like.
I remember what it was like in 1990, 91, 92, when you were talking about this stuff.
I mean, you know, you couldn't fill a phone booth with interest.
And so when people who are relatively new to it, and more recently come into it, and they say, I completely understand why they say it, why don't people wake up more?
Why don't people wake up?
Why can't people see it?
And I look at it and I think...
You should have been standing next to me in 1990, 91, 92, 93.
This is frickin' dreamland, mate!
Oh dear!
The numbers that have awoken since the start of 2020, globally, To the world or far more to the world, as it really is, is absolutely fantastic compared with what it was before.
My challenge for so many years of all this, decades, was getting enough people interested enough to listen.
Now my challenge is coping with the interest.
You know, this is...
This is a very, very encouraging time.
Because, you know, I said years ago, when people said, wait, how do you think it's going to go from here?
And I said, well, it's got to get really bad.
It's got to get really, really bad.
So that people simply, it's in front of their face, and they can't ignore it.
Because that's when people start to focus their attention upon what's actually happening.
And they completely understand it again.
They just want to get on with their lives.
They don't want to be looking at all this stuff.
But the fact is, if we don't, Then this will complete its goal of human enslavement.
So we have to. But it is dreamland now, compared with what it was before, even though it may not seem like that with the number of people that they're still solid gold asleep.
Right, right. I was gonna say, I can only imagine, early 90s, you know, I was reading about it, how you were ridiculed, laughed at, like, if anything, people, a lot of people view you as like prophetic, and they're like, he is the guy he knows he has known.
So it's, I definitely have seen...
I mean, I was one of the people and I think this pandemic was sort of what did it for me.
And I was like, okay, now I'm starting to wake up to this.
And even since just me, like it was probably March, April, where I started really diving into this.
Even then, I'm connecting with more and more people who are in that similar journey.
So it's... I don't know.
It feels inevitable that enough people kind of right the ship.
That's what I'm thinking.
Even if we do... Go further down the road of enslavement, which seems a bit inevitable for certain facets.
I don't know. I got some optimism.
It's looking... I see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Yeah. Well, I mean, Mark Zuckerberg sees the light at the end of the tunnel every time he goes on Capitol Hill.
That is true.
Hilarious. I mean, the idea that he's running Facebook is hysterical.
Right. But, you know, Just look at the censorship through things like Facebook and YouTube and all the others, Twitter.
That's telling you something.
It's telling you where the real power is.
I'm a bloke. I live in a little flat on an island just off the south coast of England.
I'm one guy.
And yet these massive cult-owned global corporations in Silicon Valley and the media in general are so frightened of me, or those that run them are frightened of me, that they have to censor me from all of them.
Now that tells you something, because I'm not frightened of them.
It tells you that the real power is with the people and the real power is with The truth.
I mean, everyone has their own truth, but I mean the truth into the factual truth of what's going on.
And because they're lying to us monumentally, they can't debate their narrative because it'll get taken apart.
And they know it. So all they can do is to censor other people to stop them publicly taking it apart.
That's what all the censorship's about.
They're not showing their power.
They're showing their vulnerability with all this censorship.
Because I don't want to censor anybody.
If people want to...
Debate with me on the basis that they have a different view, then I'd have a problem with that.
I'd have a problem with them putting out information that sees the world differently to the way I do.
No problem with that, because I'm confident of the validity of what I'm saying, so I'm quite happy for other people to have a different view.
They're not. And it shows where the real power is, and it's not with them.
And people, if we only come together, we don't have to agree on everything.
We just have to come together and unite in ceasing to cooperate with our own enslavement.
And it's over. It's over.
And, well, that day will come.
Ben isn't the story, but that day will come.
Right. And I definitely agree.
And I think that's a, that's a great point to end it on and, uh, let people reflect and, you know, take this message to heart and hopefully act on it.
So, uh, David, thanks again for coming on the show.
I mean, this is a fantastic conversation.
I, I really enjoyed it and learned a lot.
So, uh, can't thank you enough.
Pleasure. All right.
Thanks for asking me. Yeah, not a problem.
All right. And that's going to wrap up the show and I'll see you guys next time.
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