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Jan. 17, 2021 - David Icke
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There is no evidence that any virus causes any disease - David Icke talks to Dawn Lester, co-author
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♪♪♪ Hello everybody, I've done a fascinating interview with a
lady called Dawn Lester, who is the co-author with David Parker of this fantastic
book.
I'm sure you can see it with a light.
What Really Makes You Ill?
And the subtitle is Why Everything You Thought You Knew About Disease Is Wrong.
And it is absolutely brilliant.
During the madness of the virus hoax from the start of 2020 onwards, a number of medical professionals, I mean real medical professionals, not the script readers, Not the yes sir, no sir, anything you say sir alleged physicians but proper doctors.
A number of them recommended this book and it turns health and what we are told to believe about health completely on its head with tremendous amounts of supporting evidence and of course I went straight to the section first of all about viruses and found what other non-script reader medical professionals have told me and described and that is that viruses don't cause disease or at least there's absolutely no evidence that they do.
Now how important is this In a period of utter insanity, when the fact that one virus, the alleged but never isolated and shown to exist, SARS-CoV-2, is causing a disease called COVID-19.
Well, if viruses can't cause disease, how can SARS-CoV-2, the allegedly existing phantom, Disease or disease-causer, as we're told. So it's a fascinating interview, like I say, with Dawn, about this whole virus area, but also other areas of this ridiculous hoax that still so many people seem to believe in,
but vast, vast numbers compared with before are no longer taking as read.
And when you look at the background to the fact that there is no evidence that any virus causes any disease, or that therefore it's transmittable, then all the lockdowns and all the social distancing and all the masks can be shown to be what I've said they are all along, complete lies to transform Human society and to subjugate the population.
So, like I say, I chatted with Dawn Lester and this is how it went.
It's some tremendous information.
Dawn, thanks for joining me.
Before we start, we get into the detail, can you give me some background to yourself and David, and why you decided to write this very considerable book, which basically, on page after page, inverts the The normal way of looking at health and treatment.
So what's the background and why did you write it?
Well, my background is in accountancy and David Parker's is in electrical engineering.
So they're fairly kind of practical types of careers, if you like.
And so we're used to looking at things with logic and common sense.
So, you know, we don't have a medical background, but obviously, you know, we have those technical backgrounds, but we also are still the sort of people that like asking questions, want to know, want to understand what's going on.
The interesting thing is that where we started this is that we were writing, we were searching and writing a book about the nature of reality, actually.
And we came to a section where we wanted to write a chapter on the nature of illness and what the human body is and how it works.
So, you know, illnesses are thought to be things that you catch, that you get, that, you know, attack you from the outside, which we thought was rather strange.
But then the, of course, a lot of diseases are claimed to be caused by germs.
So, you know, the infectious diseases that you can pass them around, you know, there's, you know, the standard thing of, oh, everyone sneezes around you, so, you know, you know, I'll get your cold, thank you very much.
And, you know, it's, it's, Just part of normal language.
So we assumed that, you know, viruses were these things that people passed around that caused disease.
But we thought, you know, we needed to look into it further.
And interestingly, we came across fairly early on, we came across the controversy over HIV and AIDS, which was quite an eye-opener for us because, you know, we lived through the 80s when the whole HIV-AIDS fiasco kind of It blew up and turned everyone really scared.
You know, the media was really sort of pushing out a lot of fear and everyone was going to get this deadly disease and it was going to kill lots of people, millions and millions of people.
So yes, that was very scary.
I mean, fortunately, that didn't of course happen.
So, and yes, there are parallels with what's going on as well at the moment.
So looking into that we discovered that there was actually no evidence for the so-called virus called HIV and at that time we came across the work of Carey Mullis who invented the PCR process and he made it quite clear because he was He was preparing a paper that he needed to talk about the HIV as a cause of AIDS, and so he wanted to look for the original paper, and he had great difficulty finding it.
He couldn't find it, and he found that it didn't actually exist.
There was no original paper that made it clear that HIV caused AIDS. And so that was obviously a big deal.
And we discovered the work of an awful lot of other so-called dissidents in that AIDS movement or Rethinking AIDS movement.
And we also came, at the time, came across the work of Stefan Lanker, who was one of those who was saying quite clearly that there was no virus, no virus had ever been proven to cause AIDS. There is no virus, it hadn't been isolated or purified, characterised the genetic material, and nowhere had it been proven to cause the syndrome called AIDS. Interestingly enough, originally the two diseases that were the signal diseases to indicate AIDS,
neither of them were caused by a virus anyway.
And in the end, they eventually mounted something like over 30 odd different diseases that are claimed to be part of this syndrome.
But it remains to this day that there is no evidence for HIV as an actual virus that causes disease.
So that was a huge eye-opener.
So we thought, well, if this one's so wrong, what about other diseases and other viral diseases?
So we continued our search and looked into plenty of others, such as the 1918 flu.
We even looked back in time to other diseases like smallpox and even further back into the Black Death, although that's supposed to be caused by a bacterium.
What we found was particularly interesting There was no evidence that any bacterium is the cause of disease either, so it's not just viruses, it's bacteria as well.
Although bacteria are completely different from viruses, they are living organisms, where a virus is merely a particle of genetic material in a protein coat.
And it isn't alive, there's no mechanism by which it can be said to be alive.
And so, you know, it is different from a bacterium.
So we continued looking at lots of different so-called infectious diseases and didn't stay with even human diseases.
We went and looked at animal diseases because a few of them are claimed to be caused by viruses as well, not least of which is myxomatosis.
So we looked at that to try and See where the original evidence is and we kept finding that there were, to say the least, lots of contradictions and very little original evidence.
As well as looking at these so-called infectious diseases, we decided to look at non-infectious diseases or non-communicable diseases, also known as chronic diseases, you know, things like heart disease, cancer and autoimmune diseases, allergies. Arthritis or lots of those sorts of diseases to find out what does the medical establishment know about them and found that there were lots of question marks, lots of what they called knowledge gaps and really that What we're told or the impressions we're given about the medical establishment being the be-all and end-all of healthcare.
We have to look to them for healthcare.
What they actually know and what they claim to know seem to be very different.
We kept looking into all these Different diseases, but we also wanted to find out why.
So obviously we looked at the control and, you know, the money and how the medical system worked and the history of it.
And then start, you know, so it allowed us to put together a fairly comprehensive picture of what we're told is healthcare, but in fact it's management, as I think a lot of people are now Really understanding.
And once we saw what didn't make us ill, we had to look at what really does make us ill, hence the title, What Really Makes You Ill.
And then we discovered that there are lots of different aspects of everyday life where we're exposed to a whole range of substances and influences That can adversely affect our health.
So as well as questioning what doesn't make us ill, we put together what really does make us ill.
We put it down to what we call four factors.
I mean, we can go into that in more detail.
That's really how we put together.
Yeah, okay, that's great.
We'll go into that later. I want to talk about that, what really does make us ill.
But what I find interesting is you don't have a medical background.
And I think that's actually very important.
Because I've obviously, for obvious reasons, since the start of 2020, I've read ferociously, vociferously, whatever you want to call it, about this SARS-CoV-2 virus, as claimed, and all the medical background to this.
And it seems to me, Dawn, that the health service, like much of the The system in general, if not all of it, is a blooming echo chamber, where things are accepted as fact, not by evidence, as you've found out with this book, but by simple repetition.
Simple repetition of the same thing becomes, and everyone knows that, mate.
When actually, when you say, well, okay, where's the evidence?
I mean, I read the text of what Kerry Mullis said about HIV, where he's saying, well, where's the evidence?
And there wasn't any.
And you find this again and again.
It's just repetition.
So what we've had in 2020, up to present day, is an extraordinary repetition.
Based on no evidence about this whole phenomenon of so-called COVID-19.
And one of the real foundations of it is that this virus can be passed on in the air.
Now, I read in your book, again, that there is no evidence that Viral particles, whatever, actually travel in the air and can be passed from person to person.
Well, no, they can't.
What is interesting is that the particles that are called viruses, and that's the way I have to try and kind of think of them now, because to call them viruses, everyone's got a preconceived idea of what that word means.
So these particles that are called viruses Have never been shown to be anything other than just dead fragments of former cells.
You know, the cells die all the time in the body and they break up and they fall and they normally processed and expelled, eliminated.
Sometimes other cells reincorporate them if there's some useful materials that they can recycle.
But they're non-living particles.
They don't come into the body they are part of the body in in the first place they're just it's like you know dead skin falling off you know they don't they don't they don't have any self-propelled motion because they're not alive and so they can't move in a direction to be able to go attack you and get into your body and that there's no way that they can Work their way into your body.
It's such fabrication.
You know, that whole idea that they can do that.
How can something that's dead be picked up off money or picked up off a kitchen surface?
Well, it simply can't.
I mean, if it was something that was actually Toxic, you know, yes, if something was covered in a poisonous material, if you touch it, yes, that can be absorbed into the skin because the skin is sort of, you know, absorbent as well as eliminative.
But it's, no, these particles, it's like picking up a piece of dead skin, I suppose.
It doesn't go into the body.
But the point is that these particles are I'm reading some of the work that Stefan Lange has been writing during 2020 as well, and a little bit of it has been translated into English, and he makes it absolutely clear that none of these So-called particles that they show these wonderful descriptions of with bits and pieces sticking out and everything.
They're just, you know, images, you know, imagination, he calls them, you know, they're just things that have been made up and computer generated images.
I mean, there are electron micrographs of little bits and pieces, but, and they say, oh, that's the virus, but I was trying to think of a suitable analogy this morning, and I don't know if it's quite suitable, but it's like looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack.
But in order to find the needle, you need to know what a needle looks like.
And there is nobody anywhere that knows what these particles are, because they're never purified.
So it's like they don't know what a needle is, and they're just looking in a haystack for something that they don't know.
We don't even know what it is.
It's as bizarre as that.
But with virologists, you know, they're taught a certain way, and certainly within the laboratory setting, you know, technicians are taught that this particular process that is labelled isolation of a virus will end up with a conclusion where you can say, oh, well, I've isolated a virus.
But it's just following a particular procedure.
And also, as we explain in the book, the work of Dr Harold Hillman, he was a cell biologist, and he said that a lot of these parts of a cell that are given names, like, you know, even receptors or the Golgi apparatus or Golgi bodies, he said they are artefacts.
Because the procedures or the scientists don't take account of the procedures in what they're actually doing.
So if you're putting a lot of toxins in a cell culture, something's going to die.
But they don't take account of the toxins they're using.
They're just seeing that they're getting effects because they're using this These different stains and fixatives to get the information that they want and then it becomes, well, that's the method we've used and that's the conclusion we've come to because look, we've got this effect in our cell culture.
It's just people basically following a system without question.
I remember an article by Dr.
Tom Cowan, who was looking at, I think it was about 20 virologists who put this article together, which was posted on the Centers for Disease Control website in America, in which they were describing that they'd only identified a tiny number, I think it was 37 fragments of this so-called SARS-CoV-2 virus, and the rest had been filled in by a computer program.
Which fits in with what you say.
I mean, all these, like you say, all these pictures of, oh, this is SARS-CoV-2, the virus.
It's just a computer-generated image.
And he described, in talking about this, I think a very good analogy of this whole nonsense.
And that was that he said it was like finding a fragment of a hoof, a hair from a tail, and a fragment of the horn And putting it through a computer program, which decided it was a unicorn.
And as this article explained by these virologists, what they then did is they had a series of different computer programs filling in the holes.
And I think it was 30,000 base pairs of this virus they were claiming.
And they'd isolated, not isolated, but they claimed to identify about 37.
And the rest was filled in by a computer program.
And he said that different programs came with different filling codes.
And so they had a vote.
As he put it brilliantly, they had a vote on which imaginary unicorn was the real imaginary unicorn.
And when you just look at this whole SARS-CoV-2 COVID-19 fiasco.
It's classic Nazi propaganda techniques of the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it because they won't believe anyone would lie that much.
So what's your view then, Dawn, on this whole SARS-CoV-2 COVID-19 situation that is transforming our lives and our world?
You mean what's its purpose?
No, from what you've said so far about viruses and the evidence, tell us what you think of the claims about COVID-19 being caused by SARS-CoV-2 virus.
Well, there's no coronavirus that's been isolated, so there's no evidence for that to exist.
So there is no disease called SARS-CoV-2.
That doesn't mean to say that people aren't ill and dying.
That's a completely separate matter.
But what they are ill and dying from has nothing to do with any particle called a virus.
There is no infectious agent whatsoever that's being infected.
Transmitted around.
There is absolutely no evidence anywhere that any virus causes any disease.
And that applies to this one as well, because there's nothing new that they've discovered.
As you say, you know, these are these are bits of genetic material that they are testing for.
So they're not even testing for the presence of a virus.
And even when they're testing for antibodies, The antibodies, if they find them, cannot be specific to any virus because they've not purified the virus in the first place.
So it's round and round in circles.
But no, there is no disease SARS-CoV-2 and there is no virus.
Which is what I've been banging on about since March, and even much of the alternative media goes, whoa, hold on a minute, or there is a virus.
Because the thing is, I go back to what I said a few minutes ago, the bigger the outrage of the lie, the more people will believe it, because they'll think, no, oh yeah, they'd lie, but they wouldn't lie that much.
And the The thing is, too, very much relating to current events, is if you have not isolated a virus and shown it to exist, and certainly not shown it to cause a disease called COVID-19, how can you suddenly find a mutant of the virus you've not isolated and shown to exist?
Yes, exactly.
That's a new one, isn't it?
Because, you know, I think they realised that people were starting to question what was going on and not be quite so submissive to the rules and regulations.
So they had to find a way to ramp it up.
But of course, when there's something that's not alive, how can it mutate?
I think some of the ideas are based on the, it could even be these different genetic sequences that they're deciding to use.
So they've chosen the new genetic sequence, so they're calling it a mutation.
But of course, you know, I mean, and this applies to what's called the flu.
And again, that's nothing to do with the virus.
But they say every year you have to have a new flu shot because the virus changes.
But of course it doesn't.
It's just another excuse for vaccines.
But the thing with the health, getting people on being scared for their own health, because everyone's been brought up throughout their lives pretty much with the idea that diseases spread.
If you sneeze, as I said before, everyone gets it.
So it's so ingrained that it's something that's so easy to just fool people with.
But again, it's brought out, in many cases, the best and the worst in people.
Some people, for the wrong reason, are thinking that they're doing the right thing by keeping away from people.
But it's absolutely tragic because it's the complete opposite.
I mean, it's...
I went for a walk yesterday and...
There was a group, a small family that really kind of moved away from me to get around me.
It's like being a leper again.
I don't think they saw it quite as seriously as that, but it really is...
Tragic, but it's got people believing because they believe, you know, they believe, you know, doctors are people that spend years studying, you know, they go into the profession because they want to help people.
They know about health, they know what to do.
You know, if you're ill, you go to the doctor, he sorts you out.
You know, you can... Get whatever it is that'll help you.
You know, they're the ones to go to.
And it's just, you know, ingrained beliefs that so many people have bought into, you know, it's, and again, it's science, or it's called science, it isn't.
It's, I mean, Robert Mendelsohn said many years ago, you know, called the modern medicine, the church of modern medicine, it's more like a religion that people believe.
And of course, you know, the general public believe in this, you know, they believe that, you know, it's based on science.
And it really is such a such a big, big problem to get people to stop believing that, to see that it isn't.
You know, and that's our biggest concern that, you know, trying to get through to people to say, no, it isn't a virus, as you say, you know, not everyone's prepared to go quite to that extent.
But, you know, this is, it's important that people do, people do realise that there is no virus, because that will change a lot.
Interestingly, you know, I've been researching this whole global conspiracy for 30 years and the small number of same names that keep coming up in all different areas is incredible.
So basically, when you look at the history, the Rockefeller family, not least John D. Rockefeller, was fundamental in imposing this what I call scalpel and drug medical system on the world.
The same Rockefeller family that created the World Health Organization, which is driving this virus lie policy and the lockdown policy.
And the World Health Organization is basically owned, because it's its biggest funder now, by Bill Gates, who is a longtime Rockefeller family associate.
And, you know, when you look at Where this whole policy is coming from, it's coming, being driven through the World Health Organization and all the different governments are just following that lead.
And so everyone's doing the same thing.
And none of it is based, as you say, on the science, the proper science.
But it seems to me that one of the biggest ways that people are controlled And if we want to be free, we have to let go of it, is the fear of death.
Now, we're all going to die at some point.
Thank goodness I want to stay here forever, when there's forever to explore.
But... If you have this fear of death, suddenly the doctor is God because the doctor is who you go to to make sure that you stay alive at any price.
In my experience over the years of doctors and the medical profession and the structure of it, people need to let go of the fact that doctors know what they're talking about.
Doctors know what they're told to know in the medical schools by the medical associations, which are all funded and controlled by the big pharmaceutical cartel.
And if they don't do what they're told to do and treat the way they're told to treat, then they're out the door.
This is the truth.
So doctors are not healers.
They are basically a drugstore.
No. And that's all they are, with honorable exceptions, the honorable exceptions that we've seen in this period of so-called SARS-CoV-2, when some very brave doctors have come out and spoken the truth, very much along the lines that you're talking about.
Your book has been recommended to me many times by people of that caliber in the medical profession.
So let's just look at some of the aspects of this whole control that's gone on because of this.
Masks, social distancing, and lockdown are all founded on a total misconception of A, what a virus is, and B, how it can, or rather cannot, be transmitted.
That's the very foundation of what's going on, isn't it?
Yes, the masks are completely meaningless because the mesh size of a mask, and I think it goes for absolutely any mask, is far larger than the size of any particle called a virus, which are in the nanometers.
You know, they're up to about, they're somewhere between 50 and 100 nanometers.
So they're far tinier.
And if they did exist and they could be transmitted, they would just go through the mesh.
So the masks don't stop them.
The masks have another purpose, of course.
It's to get people to acquiesce, to follow the rules.
It's all part of, as you say, telling the lie and getting people to believe it.
The number of people who are wearing masks shows how many people are believing what's going on.
Yeah, I've been saying this since they started talking about masks.
The idea is to bring in the law that you have to wear them any time you leave your home.
That's where they're going for this very psychological reason.
And of course the punchline of all this is the vaccine.
And you go into vaccines in great detail in what really makes you ill.
Before we get into the RNA-DNA vaccine for, quote, COVID, how have they pulled off this vaccine scam and made it appear like it's affected people's immune strength when actually the opposite is true?
You mean from the very beginning of vaccinations when they first brought them in with Edward Jenner?
Well, it wasn't actually based on the germ theory back then.
It was based on the idea that a mild dose of a particular disease would protect you from a more severe dose.
So that was back in the, I can't remember the exact dates, but long before Pasteur's germ theory.
So that was the original basis for the origin of this, and it was a smallpox vaccination that was the first one to be produced.
And then, of course, we had compulsory vaccination in France.
In England, during the late 19th century, it was about 40 years that they had mandatory vaccinations and the cases and deaths from smallpox went up horrendously.
You know, there are statistics that absolutely show that.
But the idea changed from giving a mild dose of the disease to boosting the immune system to protect the body from actually getting this disease that they're inoculating you against, because they would stimulate the body to produce the so-called antibodies That would then recognise the germ when it next attacked the body and so it would then defend the body by killing off destroying that pathogenic microorganism when it came into the body.
So that's really what they're Saying vaccination is for.
But here's where another anomaly arises, because they say that if you've got antibodies against a particular pathogen, then that's good because your body can then mount the defence against whatever is going to attack you.
Only in certain other cases, if you've got a high level of antibodies, that means you've got the disease.
So here we have a major contradiction.
I mean, it's not even a anomaly, it's a contradiction.
And that is never explained.
So, you know, if you have HIV antibodies, apparently HIV antibodies or what are called, then it shows that you have been infected and that you can have the disease rather than...
Having the antibodies that will then protect you.
I mean, that's the basis for vaccination and that's why they stick with that story.
But if there aren't any pathogens that enter the body that your system needs to fight, then what's called the immune system is something very different.
It isn't an immune system anymore.
It's the wrong terminology.
Again, you're not immune to it.
The immunity, only true immunity is health.
When you're healthy, then you don't get ill by definition because you're healthy.
So that's the true immunity, but it's got nothing to do with all these different bits and pieces in your body that are running around looking for the latest enemy to attack and defend and kill and everything.
It's a whole warfare model.
The body is a battleground where everything's fighting everything else.
And it just is completely...
The wrong idea of what's happening in the body.
It's a complete misconception of human biology.
And that's why, you know, we use the Voltaire quote, you know, that he said way back in the 18th century that doctors and men who...
I can't remember the exact...
I haven't got his...
Bear with me. I can read it.
I read it yesterday, actually, in the book, the Voltaire quote.
It's at the start.
Yes, it's on the back.
Oh, it's on the back as well.
Well, it's on the back, that's right, yeah.
Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little to cure diseases of which they know less in human beings of whom they know nothing.
And I have to say, I can't argue with that from what I've seen of the medical profession in my life.
And this thing about antibodies, you know, I mean...
these vaccine trials, actually lack of vaccine trials, and they say oh we've got an immune
response, it's working. Well if you put absolute toxic shite into the body, then the body's not
going to break into a round of applause is it? It's going to react to it and that's what they call
working you know. Yes and that's the point.
It's, you know, the body is not just a bag of chemicals or some kind of machine that you can do bits and pieces to, and, you know, fix it here and there, you know.
It's a completely interconnected organism.
It's a living intact organism.
And so when poison is pushed into the body, especially through injection, whether intramuscularly, but it still ends up, you know, these toxins end up in the blood, and of course that causes blood poisoning.
But any kind of poisons, the body does have its own ways of protecting itself.
I mean, it's not a battleground type of protection, but it does have ways of defending itself, protecting itself, and helping to eliminate the toxins through poisoning.
You know, various orifices if necessary, but even through the skin.
And that's one of the ways, or one of the major ways, of expelling a large amount of toxins.
Because the skin is the body's major or one of the major elimination organs.
And so any kind of spots, pustules and red marks and everything is the body clearing these things out.
So it's not surprising that at the very least an injection will give you a, you know, redness, soreness and, you know, sort of more information and it'll hurt because the body's...
Package that poison and stop it from going too far into the body.
And so it's trying to find ways to get it out of the system.
But that's only the first stage of a minor kind of poisoning.
But the vaccine ingredients they've been using over the years are just ramping up.
Interestingly, this vaccine doesn't seem to, from what I've seen, doesn't seem to have any adjuvants like aluminium and formaldehyde, for example.
I mean, both of them are highly toxic.
They're neurotoxins.
So no wonder there are all sorts of neurological problems as a result of these vaccines.
But the new one doesn't seem to have any of those adjuvants.
So that's rather different.
But it's going down the RNA, DNA kind of manipulation route, isn't it?
But before we leave this, how did they pull it off?
I've seen graphs galore, Dawn, over the years that show that these diseases that have been credited to vaccines in terms of being eliminated or reduced We're in freefall themselves because of environmental changes in people's lives.
And the vaccines come in in the middle of that freefall and sometimes even near the end of that freefall.
And when the vaccines come in, instead of the freefall continuing as it was before, it kind of, you know, the curve kind of turns and plateaus out.
And so just by the The timing of introducing the vaccine with the diseases in free fall, you're giving a totally false impression that the vaccine is responsible when it's not.
Absolutely, yes.
And of course, when those graphs are used by, you know, organisations like the WHO, CDC, NHS, they will only start at the point just fractionally before the, you know, the vaccine was introduced.
So they show it at its best, you know, oh, look, you know, it tailed off.
But as you say, once you start going back 50, 100 years before that, as you say, These health problems were in complete free fall.
They were definitely declined because of all kinds of implementation of sanitary measures and cleaning up filth from this.
People weren't literally living amongst their own waste products and animal waste products in the streets weren't full of waste products.
And again, they're You know, dead bodies and they'll rot.
And so, of course, you get the fumes.
They're not good to breathe in.
So, as you say, loads of environmental problems that were cleaned up and these sanitary measures are never...
Well, they're rarely given the credit that they deserve.
But they're the reasons that these health problems went away or were reduced anyway.
Yeah, there's the famous story of, I think it was a cholera outbreak, and it was, oh cholera, it's being transmitted between people, and it was ended when someone took the handle off a water pump, so it couldn't be used, because it was all coming from the water, the story goes.
Yes, it was contaminated water.
Yeah, but if you didn't know that, You'd say that all these different people getting the same thing, same symptoms, they must be passing it between them.
But actually, there's a single source for all of it.
So what are your thoughts then, Dawn, on this new vaccine in its various forms that is causing considerable problems for increasing numbers of people, even those that are reported?
The vaccine to save us from Well, yes.
The interesting thing, of course, is that we've seen reports that even though people are vaccinated, they will still have to continue to wear a mask, socially distance, and all that kind of thing.
So how is it going to save us?
Yes, exactly.
But what's in these vaccines?
I mean, I know some ingredients have been given out.
I know they're supposed to Affect the RNA and DNA. But I am absolutely convinced that they will do harm.
I mean, there's no question about it whatsoever.
The nature of the harm is another matter.
But what we found when we were looking at the GMO foods is that the genetic engineering It is not precise.
I mean it's very much imprecise and it's not predictable what will happen.
Even though with these experiments they were just sort of changing seeds, what they changed was not what they thought they were going to change or what happened wasn't what they thought were going to happen.
Whether what they say is going to happen will happen remains to be seen because, as you rightly say, they were not tested.
They have not been tested at all.
But what they will actually do is certainly cause harm.
But the nature of the harm is still a big unknown and obviously very worrying.
Change can certainly affect what goes on in the body as far as genetic material is concerned and who knows what it can do to Because what genes do is they code for proteins, so they can change the kinds of proteins that are produced within the body.
And then that can upset just about every system within the body.
So again, it's not a question of saving us from any virus.
It's a question of making some really fundamental changes within the body because of what it could do.
And it will be harmful.
There's no doubt about that.
But the nature of the harm, who knows?
I mean, there's certainly, from what I've seen, there have been a few deaths and a lot of very unpleasant side effects.
I mean, they're not side effects, they're direct effects, because that wouldn't have happened if these people hadn't had...
You know, their direct effects.
Yeah, I mean, you look at it from a, you know, one step back, look at it again, level.
And we have a virus, even if people believe in its existence and people believe it causes a disease, the fatality rate to infection rate, alleged infection rate, with a test not testing for it, is tiny compared with so many other things.
And yet they want to...
Vaccinate every man, woman and child on the planet against it.
I mean, the scam is so blatant that the problem has been created to justify infecting the world, the whole population.
It's so unbelievably obvious.
And if you mess with RNA-DNA, you're messing with the whole structure of the body, which is what the plan has been all along.
Came across this decades ago, what this plan was, which is playing out now.
So, If we look at your book in totality, why is so-called modern medicine so unbelievably destructive?
I've had conversations with people about this, and they said, no, that can't be true.
The treatment in all its forms is one of the biggest killers of people on planet Earth.
The very treatment that's supposed to be protecting their health.
So why is it so destructive?
Well, it started from a completely flawed understanding of how the human body works.
You know, it was seen as something that is, you know, a mechanical machine that, you know, can...
Attacked by a disease and so something happens in the body that this bit stops working and if this particular drug can help that bit function better because in their cell cultures, in their laboratories, they've been able to stop something from producing something, you know, various processes And they think that because it happens in the cell culture that it'll happen in the body.
But as I say, it's a complete misunderstanding of how the body works because the body is a living system that is capable of looking after itself, but it needs to be supported in those efforts to look after itself and not impeded.
In other words, not poisoned.
And the problem is that a lot of The so-called treatments are made from petrochemicals.
And there's your link back to the Rockefellers and the whole oil industry, petrochemical industry, very much tied up with the pharmaceutical industry.
And so it is about the system to make sure that they're their treatments or you want continuing customers if you like.
It is a business model and it's been a very profitable one and it still is a profitable one but it's But it doesn't work.
And the increase in ill health, certainly in the last, I don't know, 50 years or whatever, people aren't living more healthily.
Whether they're living longer or not is another matter.
But people aren't more healthy.
You can see it is not just water disease.
The more chronic diseases are being ill for longer and starting these illnesses at much, much younger ages.
And even children now are really ill or, you know, getting these so-called conditions, diseases, at an ever younger age.
You know, juvenile arthritis, you know, in their teens.
I know it's something that's sort of dear to your heart as well.
It's not because they're just unlucky or they've got the wrong, you know, it's not just tough luck, it's where we live.
And the environmental info in detail, and that includes the food, in the water, in the air, and of course, electromagnetic radiation, which is what I mean by influences.
So again, these things are not seen.
But people are just used to their conveniences, you know, convenience foods, convenience machinery, and they're all sold these products as they would help them.
But of course, there's always a price to pay, and more and more.
It's, you know, like a throwaway world.
So, you know, we're just becoming consumers of all these products and many of them use, you know, quite toxic materials or their wastes become toxic in the environment.
It always seems amazing to me that you have this fantastic, almost unimaginably brilliant organism called the body.
When you see how it works, it is just amazing.
And these people then come along in their bloody white coats and say, oh yeah, we can improve on this, when they're clueless about how it works in the first place.
So, in summary then, it's not contagious disease that affects people's health.
It's their environment, it's their lifestyle, and it's those kind of influences that impact on the normal, the proper workings of the body.
Yes, yes, as you say, but it's the failure to recognise the amazing properties of the human body and its ability to look after itself, but it needs to be supported.
It's not just a question of, you know, carrying on life as normal.
You need to know what your, as we say, you need to pay attention to everything you put both in and on your body's body.
So, you know, it's an amazing, the array of different products that we're exposed to.
We cover that in quite a lot of detail in one of the chapters.
You know, it's the longest chapter in there, talking about all the different Poisons in the environment.
I mean, there are natural poisons that are there, like, you know, arsenic that sort of seep through and come into the water.
But then there are lots of areas where they're contaminated by arsenic because arsenic's been used as a pesticide for many decades.
And, you know, it's persistent and it remains in the environment and it continues to poison the water.
You know the groundwater as well, so you know these Aspects are there as well, but then you have the man-made chemicals and the products that they're all made from and also foods, you know, they're put into foods and including preservatives to stop the food from being contaminated by pathogens.
So, of course, the germ theory goes into a lot of areas of food production as well.
I think we ought to thank a software salesman, Bill Gates, for attempting to make this fantastic organism even better.
And I do think we ought to listen to complete crooks like Antony Fauci, who's funded by Gates, when he tells us a load of old crap about this whole SARS-CoV-2 nonsense.
And I'd like to thank you and David for producing this book because it is a phenomenal book.
And anyone that wants to know how the body really works and the lies that we're told from Cradle to Grave about health, then this is an absolutely must read.
So thanks Dawn for that and thanks very much for writing that.
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