Dec. 17, 2020 - David Icke
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| Hello, welcome to Garry's Big Mouth. | |
| I'm joined again by Dino Wyand. | |
| We spoke probably a month ago now about the Centre for Countering Digital Hate and what they're all about. | |
| Dino's been investigating them for some time. | |
| What I'll do when we finish is I'll put a link underneath this to the original video so you can watch that and get some background on them and exactly what they're up to. | |
| But Dino messaged me to say that he's been researching and they found some new information. | |
| They've been busy, busy, busy. | |
| Dino, first of all, Merry Christmas, mate. | |
| Yeah, Merry Christmas. Good to see you again. | |
| And you, mate. So what have they been up to? | |
| Well, yeah, since three weeks ago, since I last spoke to you, Imran Ahmed, the CEO of the Centre for Countering Digital Hate, has been on TV quite a lot. | |
| And it's been quite interesting, actually. | |
| He's been talking about... | |
| The Georgia Senate election, misinformation about the Georgia Senate election, voter fraud, misinformation about voter fraud and steal the election, and climate denial and anti-vax, QAnon, COVID misinformation, protecting celebrities from death threats, including Dr. | |
| Fauci. Notice he's not that worried about David Icke. | |
| So it's been quite a lot going on with the agenda. | |
| And of course, I've linked the Center for Countering Digital Hate with the British Labour Party and the Democratic Party in America with the research. | |
| He was on the CBS News I think last week and a few other news channels talking about conspiracy theorists, so he calls them, or misinformation, people spreading disinformation and misinformation online are the bad guys. | |
| And they're scumbags. | |
| And he's been referencing Robert Kennedy, Robert Kennedy Jr. | |
| because of his anti-vaccine approach from the Children's Health Defense. | |
| And so I kind of... | |
| I was kind of thinking, what authority does Imran Ahmed have to dictate who is right and wrong on social media? | |
| And amazingly, actually, while he was on one of the news channels, he mentioned a doctor. | |
| Let me get his name correct. | |
| It's Dr. Sander van der Linden. | |
| From Cambridge University and the news presenter asked him, how do we stop this misinformation online? | |
| And he was mentioning that this doctor has a theory about Inoculation. | |
| So it's kind of a vaccine against misinformation. | |
| So sort of inoculating regular people to be aware of misinformation so they can see it in advance. | |
| And part of that is putting yourself In the shoes of the person you are, the conspirator. | |
| For example, if you're watching Newsmax, you would sort of do some research on their bias. | |
| Obviously, they're more of a Trump-aligned news network. | |
| Or if David Icke... So anyway, so what I've decided to do is to take Imran Ahmed's advice and sort of put my feet into their shoes, into the center of counting digital hay. | |
| And I wanted to start really with Imran Ahmed, who's the CEO, because what I didn't mention last time is his Background is banking. | |
| He's an investment banker with Merrill Lynch. | |
| And of course, we all know that bankers are probably the best people to judge what's right and wrong, especially investment bankers who were involved in the subprime mortgage back in the late 2000s. | |
| So he came out of the Merrill Lynch investment bank and then went into the Labour Party with Angela Eagle and Andy Slaughter and Hilary Benn and a few other people as a PR manager, basically a spin doctor for the Labour Party, a campaign manager for the Labour Party. | |
| So we've got Imran Ahmed, who's from the Labour Party and a banker. | |
| Telling us what is dangerous and right and wrong online, who is good, who's the good guys, as he said, or the bad guys. | |
| And as he said in, I think it was in the CBS interview, he called anybody who doesn't listen to the government or the Center for Countering Digital Hate is a scumbag. | |
| He literally said that. | |
| So I'm kind of thinking, what authority has he got? | |
| And then you look at the founder of the Center for Countering Digital Hate, Morgan McSweeney, who comes from a digital campaigning background. | |
| He comes from the Campaign Labs A company called Campaign Labs, but all his life he's been a digital campaigner for the Labour Party and he formed the Centre for Counting Digital Hate as an anti-hate group, an online bullying group basically. | |
| He has no background in that at all, so it kind of comes from a If you're looking that he's coming from a digital campaigning background and he's starting a anti-hate group, surely there's a link that this group is not exactly what it's saying it is. | |
| If you catch my drift. | |
| Exactly. I mean, if you've got a guy who's an investment banker, I mean, investment bankers, as you mentioned, they're not the nicest of people. | |
| By their nature, they're ruthless and will step on whoever to get what they want. | |
| And then you've got a guy who's a political campaigner and politicians, by their very nature, are ruthless and will step on anyone to get what they want. | |
| But we're meant to believe that they got a bit upset by seeing someone being bullied. | |
| Yeah, and Morgan McSweeney, as well as being a digital campaigner, is now the Chief of Staff of the Labour Party. | |
| He's basically what Dominic Cummings was to Boris Johnson. | |
| I mean, for Americans, that would be, you know, I mean, he's the Chief of Staff of the British version of the Democratic Party, which is And it's the part of the Labour Party, which is the more centrist part, the Tony Blair, the Ed Miller band. | |
| And in America, it would be more of the Joe Biden, not the Bernie Sanders left. | |
| It's more of the center left. | |
| So you've got these guys. | |
| So you've got a banker who, in 2008, would have been the scumbag himself, is now turned into Basically the face of cancelling everybody and saying what's right or wrong on Google, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, whatever. | |
| And I just want to put a side note to this. | |
| This group, Centre for Carrying Digital Hate, have just announced they have a Washington DC office as well as a London office. | |
| This is a new development. | |
| But yet, they don't have an address. | |
| We're now led to believe they have two addresses. | |
| But the only address they give is a forwarding address, which they share with Keir Starmer's Labour Party. | |
| That's the only address they have. | |
| So if somebody wanted to go ahead and sue this company, you have no... | |
| Where are they? | |
| There is no office. | |
| Another side note, I've been introduced as Dino the researcher, but this whole new digital marketing, this digital campaigning For example, actually, Morgan McSweeney is Keir Starmer's Chief of Staff and he's a digital campaigner. | |
| It goes to show exactly where these political parties are going. | |
| If the Chief of Staff is a digital guy who's basically campaigning on social media and part of the campaign labs that he ran They were going on to websites. | |
| I mean, you can see it on their website. | |
| They were going on blogging and replying to Facebook posts, you know, as trolls, basically. | |
| I mean, exactly what they're actually doing. | |
| The Centre for Counting Digital Hate was set up to do was to counter trolls. | |
| I think the original tagline was don't feed the trolls and they're pretty much doing that. | |
| But what I'm seeing happening is that any researcher, like say for example me, if I decided to call myself Dino and set up from the Center for Countering Fascism. | |
| I'll just do it. | |
| I'll set up a business. I'm not vetted. | |
| I'm just, but it gives also gives me now a much bigger importance. | |
| Like, for example, when Keir Starmer has been Talking about online harms and a few other things. | |
| He's been quoting the Center for Countering Digital Hate and a few other of these groups that are all linked to Keir Starmer. | |
| So these researchers are basically calling themselves a non-profit institution to give themselves more power, as far as I can see. | |
| And that's really what Morgan McSweeney was doing with the Center for Countering Digital Hate. | |
| is pretty much a one-man show to start with of basically an activist and researcher and so this is a thing that you can see over and over again and all these groups are called center of and it's pretty much the way it's going for researchers and none of them have addresses But to get back to... | |
| It reminds me actually of... | |
| Sorry, it reminds me of during the whole kind of Syria crisis when that was exploding and we went and threw bombs at them. | |
| They always referred to... | |
| The news always referred to the... | |
| The Syrian Observatory of Human Rights. | |
| And here we go. We've got the Syrian Observatory of Human Rights. | |
| And they go to him and he'd sit there and he'd say, he's a Syrian guy. | |
| And he'd be there going, you know, this is what Assad's doing. | |
| He's doing this, doing this. It was one guy in a house in Coventry, which is about 45 minutes from where I'm sat now. | |
| It's mad, isn't it? But like you say, they give it a title of an organisation and people... | |
| The White Helmets you're talking about. | |
| Because you couldn't even... | |
| I knew people in Syria who wanted to try and join the White Helmets to help out. | |
| And they were emailing their website and no one getting back to them. | |
| They're like, there's no... | |
| Like, how do you join the White Helmets? | |
| There was no way to do it. | |
| You could send them money, but... | |
| Of course you could. Of course you could. | |
| Of course you could send them money. | |
| Yeah, I wonder what that was going to pay for. | |
| Yeah, but so then, so you've got these, so far we've got Imran Ahmed, a banker, and a Labour Party campaigner, and he's, another amazing thing that I didn't mention is that he, I think it was a London newspaper, maybe it was the Jewish Chronicle, one of these newspapers mentioned Imran Ahmed being a great guy who doesn't have much of an online presence, understandably, because he's so concerned about online hate. | |
| But actually, I've amazingly gotten his old Twitter account, Imran Ahmed 1978, And it's full of the most, it's full of non-stop hate and bullying. | |
| And he was using it part of his, when he was, there was an incident that happened called Brickgate. | |
| I'm not going to go into it, but if you research it, Imran Ahmed, Angela Eagle and Brickgate, There's a whole slew of things there but I was actually lucky enough to through Lycos to get a whole bunch of pretty much like 800 of his old tweets and you can't believe I mean It's classic online hate. | |
| But anyway, he deleted all that. | |
| And he's also actually deleted all his LinkedIn history recently. | |
| LinkedIn with Labour Party and Merrill Lynch. | |
| And I think that was after, you might have mentioned it a couple of weeks ago, especially his banking thing. | |
| I think that was deleted on Friday. | |
| So... But anyway, so then, on top of that, you've got another guy, Damien Collins, who is actually a Conservative MP, but his politics seem to be exactly in line with Keir Starmer. | |
| And his background is... | |
| He worked for M&C Saatchi as an advertising executive. | |
| So he's from the advertising world. | |
| So we all know how trustworthy the advertising industry is. | |
| And his business partner in the Fact Checker Infotag... | |
| I don't remember. Infotation it's called, isn't it? | |
| Infotation, yeah. Is David Sefton. | |
| Now, he's an oil industry guy who's been kicked off many of his own companies for reporting false information to shareholders. | |
| And I actually... | |
| If you look into a David Sefton... | |
| And a website called Share Profits. | |
| Share, S-H-A-R-E, and then Profits, P-R-O-P-H-E-T-S. You'll see a lot about Damien Collins' business partner and Fact Checker. | |
| So now we're in a situation where we've got Advertising executive who's turned politician, an oil industry, a disgraced oil industry owner. | |
| We've got A digital campaigner for the Labour Party chief of staff and we've got a banker and a Labour Party spin doctor all telling the whole world, pretty much the main voice around the world, USA, Britain, for telling People what they can and can't say on social media. | |
| It seems kind of wild to me. | |
| I don't know. Yeah, yeah. | |
| I always think like, because whenever I see an article now about vaccines, about misinformation, about fake news, I know when I read down it, you share loads of stuff with me on emails, you know you're going to see his name. | |
| Imran Ahmed, you know you're going to see his name. | |
| And it's bizarre. Like, who is this guy? | |
| Where's he come from? And whenever he's interviewed, like the CBS interview, he's been on the BBC a few times, no one ever asked him the question. | |
| No one ever asked, like, so who are you and how are you, this sort of bastion of knowledge when it comes to fake news. | |
| It's very strange to me. | |
| Yeah, it's completely North Korea. | |
| It's coming out of like, it's just some random person who's telling the world he's an expert. | |
| It's very much like the Jimmy Savile. | |
| If you think about Jimmy Savile hiding behind charities, you couldn't touch him. | |
| You know, and it's like, you know, he can do all this stuff, but he's such a nice guy because he gives to charity and he's always in the Leeds hospital or whatever it is, you know, looking after children. | |
| And I mean, obviously, that is an extreme version of what I'm talking about. | |
| But it's, you know, it's pretty much the Labour Party is setting up Not just the Center for Countering Digital Hate, because they've actually just set up a couple other ones, but they're setting up these non-profit victim support groups that aren't at all. | |
| I had a couple of friends email the Center for Countering Digital Hate saying they were getting hate online. | |
| People were threatening them with their lives. | |
| Two of the people never got any response from their website. | |
| And one, they got a link to Don't Feed the Trolls. | |
| So basically, they were told, don't feed the trolls. | |
| And that was, you know, if these people were in serious trouble, that isn't sort of, you don't want a Don't Feed the Trolls link to their website with Gary Lineker's face next to it. | |
| Sorry, the absurdity of it. | |
| I know you said obviously the example with Savile was an extreme example, but the point you make is correct in that it's a massive inversion. | |
| Savile's public persona was this really nice, great guy, look what he's doing, and he was a disgusting paedophile, but they flipped it. | |
| Like you said, you've listed all these people with their backgrounds, And the public perception is, look how nice these people are, look how great they are. | |
| And it's like, hang on, man, these are political spin doctors, bankers. | |
| You know, the guy with Damien Collins, Sefton, I mean, he's a crook. | |
| Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's all over the internet. | |
| And Damon Collins is quite happy to have him as a... | |
| Damon Collins is a Conservative Member of Parliament for Folkestone. | |
| He's quite happy to have a crook who's not suing any of this information. | |
| It's all out there. He doesn't touch it because he knows it's, you know, it's true. | |
| So Damon Collins is quite happy to have a partner in his fact-checking group. | |
| Fact-checking. | |
| A guy who's a disgraced oil, I mean, I'm from the old school, oil baron, which of course isn't sort of the Green New Deal that we're all talking about, is it? | |
| And then, I don't know, it's kind of beyond belief. | |
| It's very clear it's a political campaign. | |
| I mean, why is Imran Ahmed out in America during the US election now when British people can't even go to America? | |
| I mean, we're seeing him on the news. | |
| I think it was on the BBC. Yeah, it was on the BBC where he was live from Houston, Texas. | |
| Talking about QAnon. | |
| What's that? QAnon's now an online hate issue. | |
| I actually don't even know what QAnon is, but I've still to figure it out. | |
| And why is he on... | |
| Talking about misinformation about the Georgia Senate election, saying this is the most important election in decades, you know, for the Senate, for the Democratic Party to become, you know, they control the Senate. | |
| I mean, what's that got to do with online hate? | |
| And what has got to, I mean, this sort of steal the, what is it? | |
| Steal the election. I forgot what they're using it now. | |
| Steal the vote. I can't remember the name of it now. | |
| My mind's gone blank as well. | |
| But yeah, I know what you mean. | |
| What has that got to do with online hate? | |
| And then, of course, there's plenty more people in this group. | |
| There's also, as I mentioned, Simon Clark from the Center for American Progress, which is... | |
| CAP is their, how they're known, and they were behind Hillary Clinton, Obama, Bill Clinton and big supporters of Joe Biden. | |
| They're part of the Center for Countering Digital Hate. | |
| So it might explain why Imran Ahmed is out in America during a Joe Biden campaign talking about online hate. | |
| Why is he allowed to be out in America when no one else can? | |
| You can't. I mean, and he's only part of an online hate group. | |
| Yeah, with 2,000 followers on Twitter. | |
| Very small. Yeah, and he has no followers. | |
| And all these interviews he has has no followers. | |
| I mean, nobody's watching it. | |
| I mean, but it's just there to back up, they're just to back up the Labour Party, and obviously, and the Democrat Party, and we're talking the centre Labour, I'm not, because, you know, they're totally against Jeremy Corbyn as well. | |
| I mean, they're part of, I mean, they've been linked to actually remove the smearing of Jeremy Corbyn. | |
| So, you know, I'm not just saying this as, because I'm not coming from a right or a left angle on this. | |
| Traditionally, I grew up left, but You know, I'm not coming as a supporter of the right by any means, because I think it's all garbage. | |
| But I'm just looking at this, how, you know, and, you know, I just, and then, you know, like I said, it's like, like, they're defending online death threats from Selena Gomez. | |
| And, you know, but how many millions of death threats does Donald Trump get a day online? | |
| Oh, yeah. | |
| Those are all right. Those are fine. | |
| Keep them on Twitter. Keep death threats to anybody who's not... | |
| And, of course, you know, the most amazing thing to me is that they're going after Robert Kennedy Jr., you know, who's spent his life with a great cause. | |
| And this is all... It's all coming from... | |
| Like, you can't question... | |
| Actually, it's not even just talking about, they say, anti-vax, but... | |
| They call anti-vax questioning vax. | |
| If I question, like obviously there's some people who go to a supermarket and they don't read the ingredients in food and that's fine. | |
| I'd have no problem with it. | |
| But there's some people like me who do. | |
| And if I want to ask what is in the vaccine that I'm going to take, it doesn't make me an anti-vaxxer. | |
| It makes me interested in what's going into my body. | |
| But that Just me asking, what is going into a vaccine? | |
| Just me asking about, could there be a possibility for election fraud? | |
| Even if it was going for Biden or Trump, I don't care. | |
| But if I'm asking the question, that can't make me a bad guy. | |
| It can't make you a bad guy. | |
| And if you're a bad guy for asking the question, then we're all in deep shit. | |
| Exactly. But that's the point. | |
| They want you to... And the irony with that is stop the steal, by the way. | |
| My... Is that the people like Ahmed and these people that are supporting the Democratic Party that are kicking off because there's a... | |
| Questioning of election fraud and he got the Stop the Steal page taken off of Facebook and all this sort of stuff. | |
| And I look at that like I'm the same as you. | |
| It's a choice of HIV cancer, which do you want? | |
| They're both shy. I don't want either of them, thanks. | |
| But at the same time, if I see something, then I will point it out. | |
| And the fact that you can mention election fraud makes you a bad guy, but they've been saying that Russia got Trump elected for the last four years. | |
| Yeah, yeah. It's madness. | |
| It's totally one-sided. | |
| But like you said, like, I mean, I didn't finish it, but Imran Ahmed is never, ever questioned. | |
| Ever. Like, you put... | |
| You cannot... I don't remember... | |
| I mean, you could not put this guy on question time. | |
| Or if you did, they wouldn't be asking him a question. | |
| Like, he's beyond question. | |
| How can you have... I mean, he's a politician. | |
| He's got a... | |
| He has a company called Labour Campaigns Limited that is still active and still making money. | |
| If you look at the tax return on Companies House, it's still making money. | |
| He is a Labour Party politician and a former banker. | |
| You should be able to ask him a question. | |
| We're not living in a world that I recognize because even, you know, Even when I was a kid, you know, like, I don't recall anybody who was untouchable. | |
| That is a completely different world. | |
| That's a different... That's changing the system. | |
| That's changing everything. And the thing is that they're talking about fighting misinformation online when their group itself is misinformation. | |
| It's not what it says it is. | |
| I mean, that is insane. | |
| Like, so it's like you have to... | |
| Have a blind eye to everything they do, everything they say. | |
| Don't question it. Don't question anything Imran Ahmed says, because it's correct. | |
| And we don't know why, because he never even backs it up. | |
| Or he backs it up with something from a headline from some newspaper that he probably wrote, or someone in his group wrote. | |
| They refer to each other as experts, don't they? | |
| People within their own group. | |
| I'm coming to you as a researcher, because I'm not going to be coming in with this bullshit. | |
| I'm an expert on it, but I could easily do it. | |
| I am a doctor, I've got a doctorate, and I could set up a centre for Center for countering digital hate if I wanted. | |
| And I could probably get myself in some newspaper as some expert. | |
| But I'm not going to go that route because I'm going to speak for myself. | |
| And I think that's what people need to start doing is speaking for themselves. | |
| And I'm nothing against people who don't want to speak for themselves, but when it comes to a level where the people who want to see the ingredients in a vaccine, or they want to have a choice about things, or question it, you know? That changes things. | |
| That is crossing a line. | |
| And that's why, you know, I mean, I've got lots more on the Center for Carrying Digital Hate and I've been working on a lot more and there's other people working on it too now. | |
| I can't put all the stuff I actually want to say because we have to double back it up and double check it because I don't want to get, you know, I don't want to look a fool with false information. | |
| There's a ton more stuff and the Center for American Progress have actually just set up a group called Yeah, that Imran Ahmed's involved with. | |
| So they've got Center for American Progress. | |
| They've got so many of these shell companies, but now it's got Change the Terms. | |
| That's a new one that Imran Ahmed and the Center for American Progress are involved in. | |
| And you're going to see, you're going to probably see studies from Center for American Progress, Center for Countering Digital Hate, and Change the Terms all in one sort of article as separate groups when they're all linked directly to each other. | |
| And, you know, it's, Like I said, they're fighting. | |
| What they're fighting, they're doing themselves. | |
| It's so clear. | |
| And like I said, I mean, what can you do about it? | |
| Like, why are they doing it? | |
| And why? I mean, I watched Imran Ahmed. | |
| It's like, I mean, it is pretty depressing to watch this guy. | |
| I mean, I don't know if you watch it. | |
| I have a hard time, actually. | |
| I can't watch it every day because it's just so insane and pretty evil. | |
| And like I said, even if some of the stuff is correct, like, I actually don't always disagree with him, to be honest. | |
| Like, I mean, there's a few things. | |
| Okay. One thing maybe I said, but I'm open to him being correct and right, but what I'm not open to is, well, what I don't want to see is a world where we can't ask the questions because that's going down a route of what North Korea and China and Myanmar and God knows what in history. | |
| We're never going to have full freedom. | |
| I know that. And we've always got, you know, there's always some garbage to deal with. | |
| But when it actually gets to this level where it's, you know, like David Icke has been banned and Robert Kennedy Jr., you know, who's, you know, a hero, you know, and Pierce Corbin, who's, you know, And they link everything to finance. | |
| They're doing this for profit. | |
| And, I mean, Piers Corbyn is making a profit. | |
| I mean, there's no interest at all in profit for Piers Corbyn. | |
| And, you know, I mean... | |
| They talk about profit all the time because that's all they're interested in. | |
| And they're defending... I mean, it's pretty clear they're agents for whoever... | |
| I mean, I'm not even going to go into who's behind the Center for American Progress, but it's usually George Soros or, you know, some... | |
| Or some big financial... | |
| I mean, there's a lot of people probably we don't even know about that are even more in the shadows than someone like George Soros. | |
| But these people are defending profit, you know, for their middle... | |
| they're agents for mega corporations, you know? | |
| Yeah. You never hear Imran Ahmed talking about Amazon putting small businesses out. | |
| To me that's hate. | |
| That's hate. And people who are hating against business owners who are going online saying they're losing everything. | |
| They don't stand up for those people. | |
| It's always an agenda and it's pretty... | |
| I hope people are wise to it and look into it more and really, especially someone like Imran Ahmed, really, really... | |
| I mean, the thing about Imran Ahmed, it's so easy to see. | |
| He's very easy to read. | |
| I mean, I don't know if you... | |
| But I don't know, there's gonna be more and more of these people Yeah, I think they've got a winning formula as well with the group. | |
| Because you make a really good point. | |
| Now we're just going live to Imran Ahmed, you'd be watching it going, who? | |
| Like, why am I listening to this bloke? | |
| But you just, we're going live to Imran Ahmed of Centre for Carrying and Digital Hate. | |
| And you go, oh, he must be important. | |
| He must, there must be an organisation with loads of employees and loads of researchers and loads of activists and loads of people that are out there. | |
| They've probably got a shelter. They've probably got a shelter for people that are being bullied online. | |
| You know, and it's like, no, mate, it's not. | |
| It's just a bunch of, it's just a bunch of people that are clearly in it for their own And he doesn't even have an address. | |
| He doesn't have an address. | |
| And, you know, how different is it? | |
| Here's Imran Ahmed from the Labour Party. | |
| That's a different thing. | |
| And what these groups are doing, because the Labour Party fight the Conservative Party and what other other party they want to have a fight with. | |
| And they do it between each other. | |
| And, you know, they'll do it on political shows. | |
| But they don't necessarily target the individual. | |
| But these groups is the arm of the Labour Party targeting individuals. | |
| The Center for Accounting and Digital Hate is not targeting political parties. | |
| It's targeting individuals. | |
| It's targeting the voters for the parties they don't like. | |
| So they're shaming and demonizing and canceling and trying to Ruin their businesses. | |
| A lot of people would love to ruin David Icke's business. | |
| They want to ruin people's business, but not just David Icke or Robert Kennedy. | |
| They want to shame with this woke mentality. | |
| They want to shame the individual. | |
| They want to make the individual feel feel wrong and for feeling what they feel basically and for voting for the wrong political party and that's what it's coming down to. | |
| Morgan McSweeney with his digital campaigning now using a non-profit organization you know or a charity and they all join they're joining more and more charities and of course I mean this is Common knowledge, but all these are tax write-offs as well. | |
| You know, these big businesses can write taxes off by forming a non-profit organization like the Center for Countering Digital Hate. | |
| So the profit-making group that supports the Democrat Party or the Labour Party can actually fund A non-profit group that's basically a Labour Party campaign group in disguise. | |
| It's a win-win. | |
| They probably can just get endless amounts of money, you know, because instead of, you know, whatever, instead of Amazon paying, this is an example, I don't know if Amazon fund them, but instead of Amazon paying tax, they can fund their political party in disguise, you know? It's such a scam. | |
| It's such a scam. | |
| And you can tell, obviously, if lots of different people are saying lots of different things that you don't want them to say, it's going to be relatively difficult to shut everyone up. | |
| But if you can create a scenario, which is what they're doing, where people are frightened, because the biggest fear is, well, death, and fear of not being able to feed your family, therefore not survive, therefore death. | |
| And so, if you can make me frightened to speak, because I know if I speak my truth, then I could lose my livelihood, and therefore I can't pay the mortgage, and therefore me and my two-year-old are on the street, and all this sort of stuff. | |
| I'll just probably not say it. | |
| And that's the whole goal of it, isn't it? | |
| Yeah, that is it. It's backdoor, well it's not even backdoor, but it's backdoor fascism. | |
| It's fascism without, you know, it's fascism. | |
| And the crazy thing about it is they're shaming fascism. | |
| I mean, I have to say, if you listen to Imran Ahmed, Just reverse everything he says. | |
| And he's reversing it because he's doing exactly what he's saying he's doing. | |
| It's so clear. | |
| And like I said, I'd love Imran Ahmed to come up. | |
| I mean, obviously he won't speak to me, but I'd love him to speak to you or to David Icke or Robert Kennedy. | |
| It would be great because... | |
| Hey, let's give him the benefit of doubt. | |
| Maybe, you know, maybe he has something, a point. | |
| But let's debate it. | |
| Let's see. But you can't just be... | |
| He's been treated like a public information advertisement. | |
| But he's not coming from the public information sources. | |
| He's coming from a fabricated anti-hate group. | |
| I mean, it's... I can categorically say now he won't have a chat with any of us. | |
| And I know because I've had these situations before, like I've had someone call me an anti-Semite before because of my support for Palestine. | |
| And I said, what? | |
| And I sort of listed a bunch of reasons why I'm not. | |
| And then said, let's have a debate. | |
| Go on, let's have a conversation. You're going to throw that mud at me. | |
| Then let's, you know, no, don't debate with anti-Semites. | |
| Well, I can't win then. I can't win then. | |
| And you know that that's exactly what Imran will do. | |
| You know, you'll go, okay, right, so you called me a, like, hateful, whatever, bigot. | |
| And you'll go back and go, okay, let's debate it. | |
| Nah, I don't debate with hateful bigots. | |
| That's what it will be. Not a chance. | |
| He wouldn't do it. And that's the sad thing about this as well. | |
| People are being called something they're not, you know. | |
| I mean, that, like, There's very nice people out there who are being called... | |
| I mean, like I said, I think Robert Kennedy Jr. | |
| is a great example of how someone who's just taking an interest Actually, if you think about it, it's the hate against anti-vaxxers. | |
| There's nobody there. | |
| I think anti-vaxxer is not the right term. | |
| It's vaccine safety information. | |
| Most of these people aren't anti-vaccine. | |
| They're anti-choice and anti-knowing. | |
| They're safe. | |
| But there's nobody protecting these people. | |
| The people that Imran Ahmed is supposedly protecting are fine to shame and demonize to the point of suicidal thoughts. | |
| Any child would say, Ask the question, what is in this vaccine? | |
| What's wrong with that? Why is that? | |
| I just can't get my head around why there's something wrong with that and why... | |
| He's putting so much hate on these people, and they're getting really depressed. | |
| They don't know. People, like, just don't know what to do. | |
| I mean, there's so many people who are depressed, and they're not saying it. | |
| And they're worried even, like, on social media, because a lot of these people working In regular jobs and they're going to lose their jobs as well because their bosses don't want to deal with this. | |
| So we've got a narrative now that is in another world. | |
| It doesn't even make sense. | |
| And people like Imran Ahmed are pushing this. | |
| They're pushing this insanity into a level. | |
| I don't know where it's going. | |
| The reason they don't want to have a conversation about the contents and risks with vaccines is because if people knew it, they wouldn't get it in very, very large numbers, and they can't possibly risk that. | |
| I'm aware that I've taken up loads of your time and that it's stupid o'clock in the morning there. | |
| So it's really kind of you to chat. | |
| And I can't wait to talk again. | |
| And I understand this is the thing as well, like where you get your people like Ahmed where they talk about misinformation. | |
| You found out all this stuff about him that you'd obviously love to tell me and the listeners and I'd love to know. | |
| But you're not going to because you need to absolutely triple check it, quadruple check it. | |
| That's not what misinformation is. | |
| That's the opposite of that. | |
| And so again, it's inversion. | |
| But anyway, thank you very much. | |
| Yeah, thanks a lot. | |
| Thank you so much. Like I say, let's just keep going and hopefully this kind of thing ends. | |
| Yeah, I'll drink to that over Christmas. | |
| Thanks again, mate. I'll speak to you soon. |
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