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Nov. 11, 2020 - David Icke
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David Icke talks with out-of-the-box thinker and doctor Tom Cowan, author of The Contagion Myth
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♪♪♪ We're going to talk about the author of this book today.
This is Dr.
Tom Cowan, who wrote The Contagion Myth with Sally Fallon Morrell.
Excellent book. Wrote it as soon as I could get a hold of a copy.
And it's after my own heart, really, because over the last 30 years, it's been very clear to me as a common repeating theme, no matter what subject I look at, And it turns out that if you reverse what the official story of that subject is, what authorities are telling us about it, then you're going to get much, much closer to the truth than if you just accept what the authorities say.
And in the area of health, that's becoming clearer and clearer all the time.
So welcome, Tom, and congratulations on the book.
It's a fabulous book, and it's a very concise demolition of Thank you and thank you for having me on your whatever it is podcast.
It's good to talk to you.
Yeah, so if you could give us just a very quick summary of your background so people know who haven't come across you where you've come from and then we're going to get in to the fact that health is Life, the body, everything is not quite what we think it is.
Yeah, so I grew up, you know, sort of normal situation.
The only thing that was sort of interesting was, you know, I was good in school, and I was expected to be a doctor.
My father and grandfather were dentists, and pretty much all their friends were doctors.
And I just didn't want anything to do with it.
I didn't like it. I didn't like these people so much.
So I went to college, didn't like that very much, so I graduated early just to get out of there.
And then I went to Swaziland, South Africa to teach gardening, just to try to find something else to do.
And then I had what I think is maybe the only person who can say this.
I was given a copy of Weston Price's book and some lectures by Rudolf Steiner while I was in my hut in Swaziland.
And what hit me then was the kind of doctor that I didn't want to be was not the only kind of doctor there is.
And I realized that there's a whole other world out there that I, and it's sort of like a floodgate opened and I realized I was actually interested in the subject, especially food because I like to eat.
So then I was able to go to medical school and just kind of learned what they told me and just kind of didn't believe it really.
And then I went to a residency family practice and then I had an experience of a child was severely injured by a vaccine in our clinic and they lied about it, basically told the parents it wasn't that.
And I didn't like that and refused to give vaccines and so that we sort of parted ways.
And then I worked as an ER doctor part-time mostly just to make money for a while as I started my,
you know, my whatever you want to call it, holistic medical practice, which is what I've
been doing for 35 years until I sort of stopped doing that a few months ago. And I,
For whatever reason, you know, we talked a minute ago about karma.
My karma seems to be that, like you said, I seem to be interested in the things that everybody knows are true but just ain't so.
I think Will Rogers or Mark Twain said, it's not the things that you don't know that get you, it's the things you know for sure that just ain't so.
So, you know, I wrote a book about the heart doesn't pump the blood, and blocked arteries don't cause heart attacks.
Totally unconstitutional, Tom.
I don't know what the problem is.
Yeah. And then vaccines cause autoimmune disease, and then cancer has nothing to do with genetics, unlike what everybody thinks.
So it was sort of natural to, you know, I've been involved in the You know the the idea a good friend of mine put up the money for uh saying that anybody who could show an HIV virus from a person with AIDS he'd give him a hundred thousand dollars and I can tell you he's a very savvy investor and he still has his hundred thousand dollars and we're about to do that with the coronavirus we have a hundred thousand dollars that we we um So if anybody can show us properly isolated coronavirus, we'll give them 50.
And if they can show that it causes disease in any animals, we'll give them another 50,000.
And I can tell you that both of those investors will not lose their money.
Well, even from what I've seen since March from many different sources, including yourself and Dr.
Andrew Kaufman and others, I don't think you're in any problem at all with losing your money.
So, obviously, from what you've just said, with the heart and all the rest of it, you don't see reality, health reality and the reality of the body in the same terms as Say the least, mainstream medicine.
So give us a description of how you see life, the body, health, disease, and so on.
Yeah. It's a great question, and I just want to ask if I can use you as a foil for this, because I think it may make it a little more interesting for people.
Is that okay with you? Yeah.
You know, just to go into my method, and I think this is a method that we can actually use for a lot of things, is I try not to speculate.
In other words, I think there's a difference between believing and knowing.
So, for instance, I know that chairs exist.
Why? Because I'm sitting on one.
And I think that, you know, like, one of the examples I often use is Native people used to say they could talk to trees.
And the Europeans would come along and say, that's nonsense, you know.
And then they would go up to a tree, listen for five minutes, and they didn't hear anything, and they said, these people are crazy.
But if you think about it, you know, they don't say that trees can talk English, right?
Or that have a larynx.
But, and besides that, if I was a tree, I wouldn't talk to a European either who was cutting down all the trees.
On the other hand, if you have a thousand year relationship with the trees, they may talk to you in a certain way and tell you things that are valuable.
So my point is, I'd like to start from what I know.
So we're talking about the human being, right?
And what is a human being made of?
So if I was to ask you, what is a human being made of?
Because I know you're an incredible thinker on these things.
So what would your answer be?
In its foundation, I think it's an information field.
Got it. Which relates to consciousness in the end.
Right. Now that's a great answer.
But let me give you a different answer.
Because the way I start with this, because I don't think 10 people randomly would necessarily agree with you.
They might or they might not.
So the way I start is a human being has a head and feet and arms and legs and a chest and usually nose hairs and eyes and all those sorts of things.
And the reason I start there is I think that everybody would agree with that.
And not only that, but if you look at all the systems of medicine and thinking throughout history, Chinese medicine, Ayurvedic medicine, Native American medicine, I think they all agree that we have a head and arms and legs and toenails and feet and the rest of it.
So I think we're on safe ground there.
Right? Okay.
Now, what's inside that?
Well, what's inside that, from the perspective you're coming from, is organs and blood and veins and arteries.
But I would still, from my perspective, come from the fact that its whole foundation basis is consciousness and information.
Yeah, and I agree with you there, but I'm still not quite there yet.
Because the next step is I agree with you that basically inside this head and the chest are basically organs and tissues, right?
Blood vessels, heart, liver, spleen, kidneys, nerves, etc.
And everybody throughout history has agreed with that.
Not only that, but you can literally see that.
So you cut somebody open on an opera.
You feel their liver. You can see their heart.
You can do a CT scan.
You can do an ultrasound. There's no doubt that that's what we're made of.
And, you know, if you look at Chinese medicine, which is an energy sort of medicine, they talk about the energy flow through your kidneys and liver.
It's too weak. It's too congested or whatever.
Everybody agreed with that.
So, there we go.
Now, let's take one of those organs, like the liver, right?
What is the liver made of?
Well, it is made of cells and tissue.
Got it. Now, here is the interesting thing.
Everybody usually says a liver is made of cells.
Now, the question is, how do you know that?
Well, This is where I'm coming from, a different point of view, if you were questioning someone else.
I feel that, like I say, the whole foundation of it is information, and how that plays out is different levels of illusion anyway.
Right. Believe me, David, I totally agree with that, but I'm still sort of stuck on the self thing.
Okay. Because the answer to how we know that a liver is made of cells is because if you actually do an investigation, there is nobody who's ever seen cells in a living liver.
You can't see it.
And in fact, if you do an ultrasound or if you do a visual examination, if you do a CT scan, if you do an MRI, there are no cells there.
And the only reason we think they're cells is because when you remove a piece of the liver from the living matrix, and then you stain it and poison it and cut it up into little pieces, then under a microscope you see cells.
And I would contend that that's an artifact.
That there is no, there are no cells in a living liver.
And this gets into one of the main principles of where Western science went wrong.
And this is something that Goethe said.
He said the problem is Western scientists wanted to understand frogs.
And so they want to understand what a frog is made of and how a frog lives.
And in your way of saying it, what kind of information system a frog is, right?
Right. And the first thing they did was kill the frog.
Right and so and and he said at that point you can't understand anything about a frog because the frog's dead and in fact one of the reasons we kill frogs is we say that helps us understand how to have frogs have better lives and I can tell you one thing for sure is it didn't help that frog have a better life because that frog's dead.
Now we also know that if you take Bacteria, fungus, and you threaten them in some way.
They will immediately coalesce into these forms called spores, which are the protective form.
And even they regress further into things like somatids and other tiny forms.
And there's a continual interplay among life forces, life forms.
So even though I can't prove this right now, My theory is that living tissues are made of organized water, which is where this information field comes from, and there is absolutely no reason to break it up into a million cells.
That is a stupid-ass way to make a liver, because then you have to somehow have a communication system between cells, and frankly, it doesn't look like that at all.
You know, when I was an ER doctor, we used to look at a microscope in people's eyes and you see this lens and it's just basically an organized water crystal.
I mean, I didn't know that at the time.
And an organized water crystal is the living information system in the universe, right?
That's where your idea comes in.
My point is, it works much better when you get rid of the cell idea.
Now, it's interesting because a lot of these things like, you know, it's like, who said they were cells in the first place?
You know, and we think, well, God must have said, you know, the whole basis of Western medicine is based on looking at cells under the microscope.
But it turns out it was a guy, you know, 1859, a guy named Rudolf Verschau writes a book called Cellular Pathology.
And apparently, I haven't read the whole book, but he dissected an onion.
An onion has cells, which don't look anything like human cells.
And he said, onions have cells, therefore you have cells.
And I think he was a lunatic.
And there's no evidence of that.
Chinese medicine never talked about cells.
Ayurvedic medicine, all the energy medicines don't talk about cells.
Now, the reason this is so important is if you think about, you know, why do we get sick?
So now we get to what you said.
So you have this water, crystalline, coherent water, right?
And each one is different depending on what it's supposed to do.
So it uses proteins, it uses minerals, it uses lipids, it uses nucleic acids to form a perfectly transparent Flexible form called the lens, right?
Now, if you do something like put some poison in the lens, and that poison could be glyphosate, it could be arsenic, It could be electromagnetic fields.
It could be toxic thoughts, right?
Or fear. Or misconceptions, right?
Any of those are, that's the basis of...
Water is a information system for all those things.
And instead of having a nice, you know, grid, right, of organized water that's transparent, it's like this, all messed up.
And the light can't get through.
And we call that a cataract.
Yeah. And then we rip your lens out and say, now you're better, except you're not.
Whereas if we understood it properly, you know, there's a Yiddish word called schmutz.
I don't know if you know it, but it means like bad stuff.
So if you got schmutz in your lens, then you get the schmutz out and the lens is transparent again and then your cataract is gone.
If you have it in your joint, in your organized water in your joint called a bursa, that you don't organize it well, then you get a distorted bursa and then you have arthritis.
And if you've got stuff in your tonsils, then the bacteria come to eat it to help you out.
That's not an infection.
That's nature coming to your rescue because you didn't bother to get the schmutz out of your living crystal.
And so a living crystal that's distorted can't process information properly, and then he gets stupid ideas.
Isn't the foundation of so much that's misunderstood in human society and all these areas, the fact that People, particularly those in authority, they see everything in terms of pieces and not an interconnected, everything interacting with everything else whole.
So they're always looking at a bit and trying to work out something about the bit without its relationship to the whole.
Yes, and not only that, but they start...
So I'm a normal doctor, right?
I'm a scientist, so-called.
And I want to study your liver.
And it's too hard to study it while it's in your body, right?
Because I don't know how to do that.
So first of all, I take it out, which means it's dead.
And now I study it and dissect it and dissect it until I spend my whole career studying alpha fetal protein in your liver with no relation to the original, you know, and that's why I say, literally, your doctor thinks you're dead.
Because he studies, you know, interestingly, historically, until 17 or so hundred, Nobody did an autopsy.
Because why? Now we say because they were too stupid to do autopsies.
But the reason was the guy's dead.
What do you expect to learn from a dead person?
There's no life. There's no information system, right?
You know, you can use a lot of different words for that.
There's no coherent water structure.
You're just dust. So we don't need to know that.
And now that's all we know.
So we study death where it's like a death cult.
Which actually makes total sense.
I'm sure a question that people might ask, Tom, is okay, and I'm with you, that in the system that's alive, the system of life, there are no cells.
So what are these people seeing under the microscope then?
They're seeing an artifact.
They're seeing what happens when you remove a piece of the liver from its living system and it coalesces to protect itself into little granules, which we erroneously call cells.
Now, here's where it gets interesting because there is one situation where you do see cells in living tissue.
And it's a very instructive situation.
And here's how it comes about.
So let's take a breast, for example.
So you have a breast, and there's ducts and blood vessels, you know, there's different structures in there.
But exactly what it looks like on a CT scan or an ultrasound is a homogenous tissue made of crystalline water, which again, you're exactly right.
The water is the The DNA is embedded in the water.
The DNA is the antenna.
And the water that's coherent controls the expression of the DNA. And the water is tuned into like a huge radio to all the influence of the cosmos and your thoughts and just your conception of consciousness.
That's exactly right.
I mean, right. I mean, you've got it better than just about anybody.
So that's the system.
Now, you don't want your radio to be out of tune, right?
Because then you can't think properly.
So what happens is you put some garbage in your tissues.
And it's analogous to you have a house and you have some garbage and you get a garbage can.
As long as you have the same amount of garbage and you take it out to the curb, you're mostly fine.
But now you have 20 times as much garbage.
Why? Because you eat soy burgers, you think stupid thoughts, you suck on an EMF device all day long, you know, you eat glyphosate, you get chemtrails, you know the whole bit, right?
So now you've got poison tissue and your body decides to help you out by buying more garbage cans, right?
Now that's fine as long as you can keep them in the garage, but eventually then they get too much and that's a tumor, right?
It uses cells to collect the garbage.
Those are the garbage cans.
And then somebody comes along and says, you have a tumor in your breast, you take it out.
And that makes it a little better, right?
Because now you've got less garbage.
But you're still accumulating garbage.
Next thing you know, you put it in your kitchen, and then your bedroom, and then you can't live in your house, and then you're dead.
And here's one of the reasons I know this is accurate, or at least I think it is.
Because every attempt...
That has been successful to remediate this problem has basically said, stop putting garbage in and take it out to the curb better.
And it's interesting, you know, in 1899 in the Merck Manual, they listed, I think it was 44 different conditions that were curable by one of the simplest medicines ever called turpentine.
So what is turpentine?
It's a solvent. It's made from pine resin.
It binds with the stuff in your gels and gets rid of it.
And they said it cures cataracts and ovarian cancer and rheumatoid arthritis in the Merck manual.
And it's just because you've got stuff dissolved in your tissues, which are gels, organized gels, depending on the function.
Right? So each tissue uses a different type of proteins and, you know, different minerals, different colored, you know, substances.
And if you get rid of it, then you're not sick anymore.
And then you can think right.
Yeah, so if we look at it, it would take the body to be an information field that's interacting within itself and out into the great beyond.
As soon as that field starts to develop in the womb, in society as we have it today, the destabilization process starts then through the mother and her toxic nature.
And then through the rest of the life of the child, the basically prime matrix of the body is He's being undermined and undermined and undermined.
And I guess to a large extent, this is a major influence in the speed of aging, as well as the nature of health.
Yes. And all I'm saying, David, is I'm actually fingering the mechanism of this happening, which is the primal You know, the primal, not thing, you get into semantics here, whether we're talking things or waves or particles or waves, but it all goes through water.
So water is the medium between this We're studying, which is consciousness and the energy environment.
It goes through water to create substance.
And if the water is impure, sick, I mean, this goes way, you know, every culture has said, you got to clean up your water, you know, and they were absolutely correct.
Every spiritual teaching that's worth anything was all about the impure water.
And And so we start in the womb with thoughts of fear and, oh my God, what's going to happen?
And I'm scared. And then you put in vaccines with their aluminum, which then gets into the structure of the water and distorts the matrix.
And then you start to try to dissolve the matrix, right, of the water to clean it out.
It's like if you have Jell-O and you have a poison grape in it, You heat the jello, make it run.
We call that sickness and mucus.
And then you reconstitute a more perfect gel.
But we don't let people do that because we prevent it.
We give them, you know, anti-mucus, anti-fever medicine so you can't melt your gels.
So you just go through life accumulating more and more poisons You keep them in garbage cans until your room is so full and you can't live anymore.
And we call that aging. Well, one of the most destructive, well, in the way it plays out among the medical profession, etc., I think it's a misunderstanding.
It's a miseducation.
But I would say at the core of the core, they know exactly what they're doing.
That so often a natural bodily immune response to something is considered an illness.
It's considered the problem when actually it's the solution.
Yes, except I actually don't think there is such a thing as an immune response.
That itself is immune response implies that there's viruses and bacteria that you need an immune response against.
The bacteria are there just like they're there in the forest to biodegrade that which is diseased and dead.
Nobody thinks the maggots kill the dog.
At least, nobody I know.
And so you don't need an immune response against bacteria.
Viruses are pieces of genetic material that have been degraded, often by toxins or electromagnetic fields, that distort the water, which essentially the DNA is embedded in, so you get this deterioration of the DNA And the body packages those up and excretes them as these vesicles which are misconceived as viruses.
They're not pathogens.
And so there is no immune response part of this.
We have a detoxification system.
If you're poisoned, you detoxify it and get rid of it.
If you're exposed to abnormal thoughts, you have a system, hopefully, of correcting yourself so that you're not poisoning yourself with those toxic ideas or misconceptions or consciousness fields.
We don't need an immune system.
So what people refer to as immune system, you call a detoxification system.
There's an imbalance.
Basically, there's an imbalance and that system rebalances.
It's always seeking balance.
Yes, you're poisoned.
So you get rid of the poison.
Unfortunately, we call the process of getting rid of poison a disease and it's actually the therapy.
You know, 20, 30 years ago I said you get a splinter in your finger and you make pus.
I learned in medical school that's an infection and you give an antibiotic.
But anybody with any sense says the disease is the splinter And the pus is the therapy for the splinter.
And it's the same, you smoke, you put debris in your lungs, and then you get bronchitis, which is the way your body gets rid of the debris.
And then you go to the doctor and he's confused and he gives you an antibiotic to stop the coughing.
And then you do that twice a year for 20 years, and then you get this thing called lung cancer, which is just bags of debris in your lung.
And then he says, I don't know, you've got a genetic problem, and that's why you've got lung cancer.
Well, the question answers itself.
So, if you've got big pharma that's making billions by, quote, treating a...
A bodily response to imbalanced toxins with bacteria, etc.
What happens if you stop that process?
Well, obviously, the body doesn't heal itself, does it?
Even though these drugs that are doing that are supposed to be healing us.
Right. And, you know, you see, the difference with me, I think, I mean, maybe there's a bunch of...
Oh, I think there's a lot of differences with you, Tom.
But I had to be successful, right?
So here I am on my own.
I don't take any insurance.
I'm a medical doctor.
And people come to me and they say, I don't feel well.
And I can give them a bunch of hooey, right?
They had rheumatoid arthritis.
They had to get better.
Now, I would say to them exactly what you said.
They say, you know, I went to my rheumatologist and he gave me this drug.
And I would say to them, ask him how many people he's given this treatment who got cured of rheumatoid arthritis.
You know what the answer is?
Zero. As a matter of fact, it's such a weird state that if you go and ask him, well, don't you have anything that might cure me of this problem?
He thinks you're a lunatic and kicks you out of the office.
Because it's such an absurd question.
Of course, the reason is because if you're always stopping the healing process, like you're committed to stopping the healing process, of course it'll never get better.
What do you think is going to happen?
I mean, I don't know.
It's funny because I asked that question, that very question, when I was...
15, 16. I was a professional soccer player.
And I got swollen joints.
And they told me I had rheumatoid arthritis.
No, I didn't know that.
No, at the age of 19 it was.
At the age of 19, they told me I got rheumatoid arthritis.
And they gave me...
They said, your career's over.
I actually played on, actually.
But they said that, here's a prescription.
I think it was for something called Indocid, I remember.
Something like that. It's an anti-inflammatory.
Yeah, it would be. And I said to them, will this get rid of the arthritis?
And they said, no.
I said, well, what am I taking it for?
They said, it will ease the pain.
I said, well, what's that going to do? I'm 19 at the time.
I said, what's that going to do to me?
I mean, how long do I take these things?
They said, oh, we're ongoing. And when I was a journalist on a newspaper, some years later, one of the editors had a wife who had rheumatoid arthritis who's been taking Indosid all those years before, and she was about to die. Yeah, but here's the thing.
There's very clear medical research showing that Indosid...
You know, basically, if you take it, you have worse outcomes than if you don't.
Because it's always when you stop, the disease is not the inflammation.
The inflammation is trying to get, you know, melt your joint, your gels, so you can reconstitute better gels.
And, you know, it's another thing I used to say to my patients all the time.
The problem is also, if you go to a normal doctor and he gives you something that works, then you're in trouble.
If it doesn't work, you're probably okay because your still body is able to overcome the medicine and still try to heal.
But if it actually does stop the inflammation, Now you're in big trouble because what happens next, you know?
And I can tell you what happens is as soon as you stop taking that whatever it is that suppresses your healing, it will be worse than ever.
And that is what happens 100% of the time.
It seems to me, you know, just picking it up with news stories and, you know, people you talk to, but anti-inflammatory drugs are being handed out like Smarties, like sweets today.
Right. Because inflammation, unlike what, you know, it also gets into, you know, I wouldn't say I'm a pariah, but, you know, people don't agree with me.
That's fine. But Normal doctors don't agree with me about a lot of things.
But alternative doctors don't either.
Because they're busy, you know, a normal doctor gives you Indocin for inflammation.
A alternative doctor gives you turmeric for inflammation.
Now, I have nothing against turmeric, right?
But the problem is not inflammation.
Inflammation is the therapy.
And it makes a difference what's in the consciousness of the people you're dealing with.
And I don't like that consciousness.
The inflammation is your body's therapeutic attempt.
If you don't want it because it destroys your joints.
Now, I don't want it either.
But I don't want it because there's nothing to get rid of.
Right? If the problem is you're eating glyphosate and that's depositing in your joints and you're making inflammation to get it out, then I don't want to stop the inflammation.
I want you to stop eating glyphosate and then by some miracle, the same, as soon as you pull the splinter out, the pus goes away.
Like 10 minutes.
It's like, it's like, um, Inflammation is not the problem.
It's a response to the problem.
It's the solution to the problem.
Yeah, yeah. It's not even the response.
It's the solution.
Bacterial infections are the solution to being poisoned, just like they are in the forest, in the compost pile.
And viral infections are the solution to deteriorated genetic material.
You packaged it up, excrete it, Tell the other people in your area that there's a new poison in town.
Because this whole survival of the fittest thing is nonsense.
Okay. Let's come to something that I'm absolutely fascinated by.
And that's the impact of the mind and the emotions on what we call health.
How does that work, then, from your perspective?
Well, the first thing, you know, if you say, where is the mind?
So I don't agree with what I'm about to say, but I'll say it anyways.
They say the mind has something to do with the brain.
Now, I don't actually agree with that, but let's just say for the sake of argument that it's accurate.
That certainly, you know, if there's any connection between the brain and the mind, It's the same connection as a radio to the song.
And nobody would dissect a radio looking for the song in there.
Absolutely. Couldn't agree.
I had a three-year-old friend who heard me on the radio while we were in the car.
And he says, how did Tom get in there?
I said, Tom didn't get in the radio.
Because nobody's stupid enough to think that.
But the brain is a transistor or a receiver of the thoughts and that which we call the mind.
Now here's where it gets interesting according to the way I said earlier.
Do you know what the organ in the body that the highest percentage of water is?
It's the brain, officially.
Officially, you're right.
80% instead of 70%.
That's because a brain is like a quartz crystal, except a quartz crystal can't grow and evolve.
You can just add more and more data to it, and it will know more and more things, but it can't change itself.
A water crystal has the same number of infinite binding sites for anything from food to thoughts, right?
That's the mind. And every time you put a thought in there, if it's a thought that's towards wholeness, it creates a more coherent crystal.
And anytime you put a thought in there of Hatred or, you know, my friend Andy, you talked about this.
He did an experiment where he put rice in water, and every day he said to one identical rice, you're stupid, and the other one he said, thank you for nourishing me.
At the end of 30 days, the rice with the, you're stupid, was black fungal mess, and the thank you for nourishing me was like fermented rice strips.
So, in other words, the consciousness of us determines the reality of the coherence of the brain, and it's specifically the brain, because the brain is, you know, whoever said God, or I don't know what, but said, you know, the universal consciousness said, we need a part of us that's really mostly water, even more than usual, so it can be...
You know, almost infinitely flexible here.
And so that's how I would say the mind creates the reality working through water.
And that's been my quest, is not to keep this, and I'm not saying you are, but to keep this in a vague way, right?
I want to bring it down, because therefore, if you're goofy in your thinking, you know, like Alzheimer's or dementia, that's because you have a polluted It's interesting.
I like Mark Twain.
He was in his late 80s.
They asked him, how come he had such a good memory?
Because he couldn't remember anything.
And you know what he said? I never tell a lie.
Because he realized, if you tell a lie, you know, I always think like Bill Clinton, he can't but tell lies.
And so you end up tangling up your water in your brain, and then you can't remember where your shoes are.
I think Mark Twain said something like, when you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.
You don't have to remember anything.
It's very true.
It is. My shirt is orange.
And then somebody asked me later what color my shirt is.
I have to remember, what did I say six hours ago?
If I say it's blue, I just...
I don't remember anything.
It's blue. I know it's blue because I don't say things like that.
Well, I can't talk to you without asking you a question, something you mentioned earlier.
And your book on this subject, I've got on order.
It's been on order a long time.
I still haven't got it.
And that's to do with the heart.
The heart does not pump blood around the body.
How's that? I mean, if you think about it, so we have this 1.1 pound organ, right, with variable thickness.
The thickest part, the thinnest part, is opposite the exit, right?
Now, we have these blood vessels which encircle the, you know, would be like three times the Earth, right?
Sort of, you know, miles and miles of blood vessels with this viscous, sticky fluid and stuff floating in it that's approximately the same diameter as the blood vessels, right?
Yep. Now, how that 1.1 pound organ could generate enough propulsion pressure to move that fluid all the way around the circulation, it's ludicrous.
So that's the first thing.
Then, interestingly, the movement of the blood, the velocity as it comes into the heart, is the same as it exits the heart.
So what did the heart do to the blood?
That's so-called propulsing it or propulsing it, which is nothing.
Then the third thing is, so the blood goes, you know, faster and faster and faster.
It comes into the heart, exits at the same speed.
So again, what did the heart do?
And then it goes slower and slower and slower and stops.
And then it gets going again.
So I say to people, it's like you have a bus from New York to California, and the bus stops in St.
Louis. And I can tell you, if the bus doesn't have an engine, I'm not getting in the bus in St.
Louis. Because I don't know how it's going to start going again.
Anybody with any sense would put the pump where the blood stopped, not where it's already going the fastest.
And the next thing, just to summarize it, is when you look at the exit of the heart, it's the so-called aortic arch.
It goes like this. It's like the McDonald's arch.
Now think about it.
You put a spigot on the hose, and the hose is shaped like an arch.
And you turn it off, shaped like an arch.
Turn it on full blast, because after all, we're pumping, you know, 30,000 miles.
We better have a nice, strong pump.
And so what happens to the flexible hose?
It would straighten, right?
What happens to the aortic arch?
Every time you push, so-called, it bends in.
And I remember when I was a medical student and I saw that in a cath lab.
They put the dye in, you know, the blood comes out of the left ventricle.
The aortic arch bends in.
I said, look, that's weird because you think And they said, yeah, that's just...
Don't worry about it.
We can't explain it, so it doesn't matter.
Yeah. Now, so that's just not possible.
Now, the reality is, what's happening is...
It's like a hydraulic ram.
You put a hydraulic ram in moving water, it has a gate, and it has expandable two tanks, right?
So the water comes in, it's held in the tank, it expands the walls, and then you get a pressure differential In the tank versus the opposite side of the tank, right?
That's a suction.
It creates a suction.
Then when the pressure differential is enough, the gate opens.
The walls passively contract after the water is removed.
There's a suction which sucks the aortic arch in and the blood just falls down to the capillaries.
Now, how does it start moving?
Because when you look at Any system of water, if you have water and a protein and you put an energy source like light or consciousness or anything, it creates a separation of charges in the water, a gel. So there's a gel along the protein and then the positive charges, that's a negatively charged gel.
The positive ions go into the middle where the fluid is and And they repel each other and start moving the blood.
That's the same thing that happens in a tree.
You know, a tree is a hydrophilic tube.
It's shaped this way instead of this way.
And because it can't go down into the ground, it goes up.
And so even though the scientists say water can't move up in a tree higher than 33 feet, it's called the barometric limit.
And this is where science is so goofy.
They say, therefore, there are no trees higher than 40 feet.
And you go outside, and if you lived in California, there's a tree there.
It's 300 feet high.
I've seen the redwoods.
Yeah. So even though, in theory, you can't, because the evaporation can't make the sap go higher than 33 feet, The reality is there's 300-foot trees, and the reality is as soon as you set up this mechanism of hydrophilic tube creates a negative gel, creates positive ions in the middle, right, where the water is, it'll repel each other and go forever.
I mean, one of the things seems to be with science that the theory overrides reality.
Exactly. Exactly.
I think that the heart pumps the blood.
Therefore, I look for facts to substantiate it.
Instead of looking, that's what I do.
I look at the whole picture.
There's no possible way.
Even when you look at the, you know, Da Vinci said that the heart, the blood comes into the heart.
It makes a vortex, which is where the consciousness enters into physical reality through these vortexes, right?
Yep. And the Sufi said that.
So what does the heart do?
It stops the blood. And the Sufi said in that moment when the heart stops the blood, then God enters into the human being.
And what it does is it stops the blood, it twists, which you can see That show that it twists, create a vortex, and then it sends these little packages of vortexes, which are packaged energy fields, to the different tissues.
We even know that if you have a cut on your leg and you need proteins there to fix the cut, that the heart packages up certain proteins in a mini vortex and sends it right to that part of your leg.
I know that for a fact.
It knows how to send old red blood cells in its own little vortex to the spleen to get them to take it out of circulation.
And the problem is, this is the reality of how we work.
And modern science in medicine has zero conception of this.
And it's such a more interesting and It's like, oh my god, this is really the way it works?
Well, it turns out it is the way it works.
And it makes total sense, too.
Total sense! Only if you encompass reality beyond what you can see, touch, taste, and smell, etc.
So, I'm fascinated by this.
So, the energy comes in through the heart vortex and impacts upon the blood through the heart.
Yes. It imbues the vortex in blood, and I have MRIs from Johns Hopkins, not that I like Johns Hopkins, but they do know how to do an MRI, that shows this vortex field in the heart, and that creates this torus around the body, right?
So that's where it comes from, and partly because there's magnetized iron in there.
So you put magnetic iron in a vortex in the heart, And that's why, you know, over the years, and I've been criticizing people in the alternative world say, oh, Tom, the heart is a pump, but it's a spiritual organ.
The heart is a pump, but it's the organ of love.
And I say, you know, in the way I talk, I say, that's bullshit.
Because if you miss that the heart is not a pump, you don't see what happened in the heart.
The heart stopped the blood, created a vortex.
Anytime you do that with a magnetic substance, it creates an energy field around it.
That is the sort of creative energy.
Force of life.
That's consciousness impact, you know, interfacing with substance.
Absolutely right. To create this thing we call a human being.
So... I know I've seen you in other interviews where you've questioned this whole thing about what causes heart attacks and the blood being stopped and the arteries being clogged up.
But this energetic connection between the vortex and the heart, there must be a connection, surely, to a heart attack when that breaks down?
So, if...
If you do, again, David, I start with...
That's why I go back to what is a person made of a brain.
I start with what I know.
If you actually do autopsies on people who died of heart attacks, the biggest study that was ever done, exactly 20% of the people who have a heart attack have any blockage at all in the artery leading to that part of the heart.
And That doesn't even mean that the blockage caused those heart attacks.
But let's just forget about that 20%.
That means 80% of people with heart attacks who died, so those are the worst, have no evidence of plaque buildup in that artery.
That's the biggest study ever been done on this.
It was published in a book called The EDO Pathogenesis of Heart Attacks and you can find it on the heartattacknew.com website.
So a guy named Giorgio Baroldi.
So then the question is what happened to these people?
And basically they have a energy deficit the same way that if you don't have energy in your leg muscle You build up lactic acid, and then you get cramps and pain.
And then the same thing happens in your spleen.
If you have an energy deficit in your spleen, you go anaerobic, you build up lactic acid, you cause cramps and pain.
And then, unlike the heart, the leg and the spleen stop, right?
And then the lactic acid.
The only two organs that have attacks are the brain and the heart.
We call it a stroke and a heart attack because A, they use 80% of the energy.
And by the way, the energy is not ATP. That's a common misconception amongst scientists and doctors of all stripes.
The energy is water.
Water creates an electromagnetic field because of its inherent tendency to separate charges And the charge is the energy of life.
And ATP is only function is to unfold the proteins that then structures the water.
So if you have a energy deficit, then you build up lactic acid.
The heart can't stop like the leg can.
And then just like your leg, you feel cramps and pain.
We call that angina. And then if it keeps going, it destroys the tissue and we call that a heart attack.
What's the best way to stop a heart attack then?
Over the years, don't eat fatty foods and all that nonsense.
What's the best way to have a healthy heart from that perspective?
From one point of view, eat the same way that people who never had heart attacks, which is lots of fats and don't eat poison food.
It's the same, you know, don't poison yourself.
Be out in the sun, you know, work on your consciousness.
A lot of the things that you've been saying, be in the sun, connect with the earth, do real work.
You know, 37% of Americans, there was a great book called Bullshit Jobs.
If you ask them, should anybody do your job that you're doing?
37% of them say, no, this job shouldn't exist.
I mean, that's a horrible way to live.
Because you know that you shouldn't...
Not just that somebody else should do it.
Nobody should do this.
So good work.
Connect with loved ones.
Be a human being, for God's sake.
Now, if there's still a problem, there turns out to be an amazing medicine called strophanthus, which is native to Africa.
The native people call it the gift from paradise and interestingly what it does is it improves the metabolism of the heart cells and it gets rid of lactic acid and it's been used for hundreds of years as a essentially a tonic for the heart because people who take strophanthus basically don't get heart attacks.
Now I'm not saying everybody should take strophanthus but You know, everybody should eat good food and, you know, be a human being.
And, you know, when people say, so, Tom, you mean I should read labels?
We're talking about food now.
And I say no, because if it has a label, don't eat it.
Right? Carrots don't have labels.
A piece of filet mignon doesn't have a label.
It may say beef or something, but you know what that is.
A chicken, that's a chicken.
And I know what that chicken ate, chicken ate worms.
It's funny, you say don't eat food with labels, and I'm saying don't self-identify who you really are with your labels.
Exactly. Labels is a good common theme.
Well, thanks very much, Tom.
Anything else you just want to mention before we finish?
Not really. And you're like me.
Once that question is asked, we're off again, aren't we?
Yeah, no. But if people want to check us out, it's drtomcowen.com.
Okay. And this book is absolutely terrific.
Not just saying that because Tom's here.
I read it as soon as I could after it came out.
And it's brilliant on, quote, COVID-19.
Thanks very much, Tom. Thank you, David.
Good to talk. That was terrific.
Yeah, I've had your book about the heart on border for, must be, must be five weeks, six weeks.
Oh, really? Yeah.
But, you know. Yeah.
So, do you, do you, I mean, we don't have to do the next interview.
If you want to, we can.
If that feels like enough, I'm good with that.
Okay. Well, we can do it another time then, if you like.
Yeah, why don't we do it another time?
Yeah. Fair enough?
Brilliant stuff, mate. This will be up tomorrow.
All right, David. I really appreciate it.
And I'm a big fan of your work for 20 years.
Thanks, mate. All right.
Me too. I mean, you were...
You are one of the people in February, March, with that video you did, along with Andrew and others, that the penny dropped very quickly.
This virus is a scam.
All the evidence is producing it, but it's still testament to the power of human programming that many still can't see the bloody obvious in it.
There you go. Just very quickly, I You know, it's been my feeling, because what you've been talking about, the inner core of this global cult, as I call it, bloody knows how it works, and they certainly know the interaction between consciousness and the body.
It seems to me that in some way, they have, like programming a computer to firewall it off, From processing certain information, so it simply won't go on the screen.
In some way, they are manipulating the brain's processing of information so that there's information frequencies, probably, that simply won't process.
When you expand your consciousness, you expand your brain's ability to process because consciousness is starting to impact upon it.
When you're caught in what I call the five-sense mind, it's like there's a firewall job going on where people literally can't think outside the box.
Right. Because the box is a firewall.
Yes, I totally agree.
And to me, again, not to belabor the point, but they have a distorted transistor.
Yeah. And their water is, you know, it's all distorted.
And it can't experience that thought that in order to prove a virus exists, you have to isolate it.
It's like, I had somebody, I said, here's a fork.
And he said, I said, all forks have times.
And you can count the number of forks, right?
That's three forks.
He said, I can prove you're wrong.
He held up a spoon and said, this proves that all forks don't have tines.
I said, wait a minute, that's a spoon.
No, it made no sense to him.
And at that point, I was just like, we got nothing to talk about here.
It's this line, I just can't get my head around it.
Let's just get my head around it.
Yeah. Okay then, mate.
Thanks a lot. I'll talk to you soon again, I hope.
Yeah. Okay. Take care, David.
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