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Oct. 20, 2020 - David Icke

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David Icke Talks To The Atlantic Underground Podcast

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	♪♪♪ Hello, our truth warriors.
	Truth Warriors.
	Today's guest has been so influential to me personally over the last decade that he could probably be credited with the reason this podcast exists.
	His work has been a constant in a crazy world and his humble, kind and compassionate manner has led millions to open their eyes and take stock of their lives.
	No introduction could say enough about this true gents.
	The living legend and the voice of the people.
	Welcome to the Atlantic Underground podcast, David Icke.
	Thanks very much mate. It's so nice to talk to a Scouser in Nova Scotia.
	There's a combination.
	No. So, David, what can you tell everyone today that they have not heard you speak of before?
	Is there anything new happening that you would like to talk to us about?
	Well, there's new things happening all the time, but they're on the same basic theme.
	I mean, I just mentioned to you before we came on air about this story that is on my website today, davidike.com.
	A German neurologist warns against wearing face masks.
	Oxygen deprivation causes permanent neurological damage.
	It's a brilliant article by a very...
	Renowned consultant neurologist in Germany, Dr.
	Marguerite Gris Bryson, and she's pointing out the Not just the physical impact, but my goodness me, there's a lot of that, but the psychological impact of oxygen deprivation, which, as she points out, is exactly what happens when you wear a mask.
	And she's looking at the consequences physically, or the brain particularly, she focuses on, requires oxygen.
	And if the brain goes into oxygen deprivation, then it starts to, It starts to shut down.
	It starts to stop working.
	There's an area of the brain she talks about, the hippocampus, that is about memory, short-term memory, long-term memory.
	And that starts to lose brain cells after three minutes of oxygen deprivation.
	And what you've got here is a constant...
	Lack of oxygen compared with what the body and the brain needs.
	And cumulatively, its damage to the brain that she describes is horrific.
	She's actually saying here in this article that...
	Children and young people, and who are they targeting more and more with the masks thing?
	Young people and children in schools, etc.
	They particularly need a lot of oxygen to the brain and other organs because they're growing and they are learning and so they need more oxygen to the brain even than adults do.
	And if...
	They, in these early years, do not get that oxygen.
	If they are in oxygen deficit, then there are not just short but long-term consequences for that.
	And she's actually saying in this article that if this continues, you're going to see a lot of people with dementia.
	30 years from now, in their 30s, because of what's happened now.
	Because she says it takes years and decades for the situation or the consequences for the brain to start manifesting.
	So, you know, we are looking in this whole masks thing at really the whole central...
	The central point of this whole virus pandemic hoax, in the sense that it is a symbol, first of all, of everything that's happening and why it's happening.
	It's a symbol of subjugation.
	When you put a mask on, first of all, you become faceless.
	It dehumanizes.
	It stops human interaction.
	It is a...
	Symbol of the deletion of individuality.
	Look, where do we get our individuality from and our individual interaction from facial expression?
	All gone. If you want to symbolize someone being silenced, you put something over their mouth to symbolize that.
	And this this whole agenda is, of course, nothing to do with health to do with control.
	And this mask symbolizes it.
	But it's all about something else.
	I was not in the least surprised to read this article today because I've been looking at this whole thing.
	I did a video a couple of weeks ago called The War on Oxygen because...
	Not only do you have the masks depriving people of oxygen, this is a really, really important point and area for what's going on now.
	You have 5G increasingly rolled out, and at 60 gigahertz within the 5G range, it interacts with the oxygen molecule and stops the body absorbing the amount of oxygen that it needs.
	Now, already we've got a theme here.
	And I was...
	Contacted by a lady about three weeks ago, someone I met for the first time in 1996, when I was in America for the first time talking about this.
	And she had been in...
	An elite project within the infamous MK Ultra mind control program of the American government, military and the CIA, which came to public attention in the 1970s, but only a fraction of it.
	The MKUltra, under other names, has continued ever since.
	But she was taken, Kathy O'Brien her name is, she was taken from her home, her satanic parents who were kind of connected into this whole network, as gophers, of course.
	But she was taken at the age of six.
	And the person who picked her up was a local politician called Gerald Ford, Who went on to be president of the United States and took her away from the parents, with the parents' permission, nice people, and put her in this MKUltra.
	And the reason she contacted me about three weeks ago again, it was to say she just wanted to make a point about masks.
	Her daughter, Kelly, was born into MKUltra, born in captivity, if you like, and therefore was put in the program immediately, the mind control program.
	And I've met Kelly a number of times.
	And Kathy was saying that from the age of two, within the NK Ultra program, they forced a daughter, Kelly, to wear a mask.
	Because on one level, she said it was about deleting the sense of individual self, all part of this mind control operation.
	But also, it was to...
	Reduce the amount of oxygen reaching the brain because that would make it easier to basically manipulate perception and manipulate the psyche.
	And here we go.
	Just three weeks later, this doctor in Germany is coming out and saying the same for the people as a whole.
	And more and more, because I... I researched MKUltra and mind control techniques for a long time, from 1996, right the way across the millennium, on both sides of the Atlantic, in Australia as well.
	And I can look at the situation now, and it is in so many elements just a global mass movement Use of the techniques of MKUltra.
	And the masks are obviously among them.
	And so what they're doing is that they are remodifying the perceptions and the behavior of the population.
	And they're remodifying particularly the perceptions and behavior of the young.
	I don't know whether you...
	You've seen this, you probably have.
	But I was, well, saddened, as well as a bit shocked, to see a video of young people in a prom, dancing back-to-back, wearing masks.
	Now, you know, I know you look back.
	I know you look back with...
	With rose-tinted specs and all that.
	But if they'd have asked me and my friends to have done that at Crown Hill Secondary Modern in Leicester in the 1960s, well, they would have got told where to shove it.
	But... But there's this acquiescence to authority.
	And this is, again, the masks are such a pivotal, central issue in all this because it's also being used to break down what gives you that steel in so many ways, which is self-respect.
	You know, if you look at history, Those that have stood up to authority and eventually brought down tyrannies, they have been motivated to a very large extent by self-respect.
	We're not taking this.
	You're not doing this to me. You're not doing this to my children.
	No bloody way.
	Not having it. That comes from self-respect.
	And so what they're trying to do at the moment, because it's all a psychological operation, the whole thing's psychological, nothing to do with health at all.
	They're trying to break down self-respect.
	So if you...
	If you wear a mask and you just do what you're told, well, you haven't got any self-respect anyway, already.
	But if you can see that it's not what they're telling you, the reason they're telling you to do it, it doesn't stand up, it doesn't.
	But you still do it.
	This is why, you know, people confuse What they perceive to be bureaucratic incompetence and political incompetence, that does exist.
	Of course it does. But at the core of all this, they want you to see the contradictions in what they're demanding you do.
	They want you to see how it doesn't make sense.
	Because if they can put before you something that obviously makes no sense and obviously contradictory, but you still do it, They're turning you into an acquiescent, showing my age again, nodding dog in the back of the car.
	Because once self-respect has gone, what is left?
	Submission. It's self-respect that stops you submitting.
	So, you know, the mask is very important.
	But symbols...
	And the whole thing about symbolism and masks is another interesting thing, because...
	Symbols, symbolism, is the language of the subconscious.
	That's why we dream in symbols, symbolically, in dreams rather than literally.
	Sometimes in dreams, it's literal, but it's not a premonition, but it's rare.
	Overwhelmingly, the dreams are symbolic.
	And so the global cult, as I call them, they have a whole language.
	Which is symbolism.
	You know, there's been a lot in my books over the years about the symbolism and the symbolic language of this cult.
	The pyramid and all-seeing eye on the dollar bill and the reverse of the Great Seal in the United States is an obvious example, a well-known example.
	The torch held by the Statue of Liberty illuminated all this stuff, but it goes much deeper than that.
	Because they're talking to the subconscious.
	You know, you can see on the internet compilations of scenes from children's animated cartoons, all different ones.
	And the number of times the pyramid and single eye is in the shot, either front or in the background, Just talking to the subconscious without being obviously seen is fantastic.
	And people say, well, why would they do that?
	Because they're talking to the subconscious.
	And this is the way they operate.
	They give you a conscious mind excuse.
	Oh, it's to protect your health and protect the health of others.
	And That's to keep you happy, the conscious mind happy, but the subconscious is what it's all about.
	Because if they can get perceptions and behavioral traits in the subconscious, then they filter through to the conscious mind.
	And at that point, the person thinks they're having their own thoughts, they're coming to their own conclusions, and they are...
	They're having their own opinions.
	The number of times in the last, what is it now, six months or so, that people have said to me, well, this is what I think is happening.
	And they genuinely think they've worked it out.
	But what comes out of their mouth is the official narrative.
	Right? Well, you haven't worked it out.
	You're repeating what the government said.
	And some bloke in a dark suit has never seen a ballot box.
	But like I say, these symbols, they can be used two ways.
	The symbol of the mask on your face is submission, subjugation.
	But the symbol can also be used as a symbol of freedom by taking the bloody thing off.
	I'm worn a mask. I'll never wear a mask.
	I'll go to jail first.
	You know, they can jail my body, but they can't jail my mind.
	I won't do it. And what are they going to do about it if enough people say that?
	I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it.
	They can't. It's unenforceable.
	It's only enforceable if people acquiesce.
	Are you surprised at how easily people have acquiesced to the mass?
	Does that surprise you?
	No. No.
	Because if you look at a human life It is from Cradle to Grave a download of perception.
	And this is all very carefully worked out and has been in place a long time.
	Part of the download is a download of the sense of reality.
	And so the idea is that you're given a very narrow view Band of perception of reality and possibility.
	Keeps you in the box. People talk about it, don't they?
	Someone's in the box. But there's something else that goes on.
	And that is the download of obeying authority.
	If you think about it, you come out of the womb and you have two or three years with influence from your parents who've been through what you've just about to go through.
	And then in such a ridiculously short time, you're sitting at a desk and an authority figure representing the state is telling you when you have to be there, when you can leave, when you can talk, when you can eat, when you can go to the toilet.
	And then they're telling you what is, what isn't, what's possible, what's not possible, what's happened, what hasn't happened, what you should believe, what you shouldn't believe.
	And there are carrots and sticks.
	For obeying authority, even at that age or not.
	And children learn at a very early age that if you obey authority, it's apparently easier and less hassle than challenging authority and questioning authority.
	And this drops people.
	And then you leave school and you go to the job.
	Now the boss is the teacher.
	And the boss is telling you when you have to be there, when you can leave, what to do, what not to do.
	And most people are constantly being told what to do.
	And this then gets ingrained because it becomes a subconscious trait.
	And you know, once something enters the subconscious as a gimme, just the way things are, then the conscious mind doesn't question it anymore.
	It's just the way it is.
	So, for instance, people don't question overwhelmingly what happens to their kids from the moment that they arrive at school in the morning to the moment they leave in the afternoon.
	What goes on in the middle is by most people not questioned.
	Oh, you go to school. That's what children do.
	It's a gimme. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but hold on a minute.
	What are they taught? What are they being taught?
	How are they being taught? Are they being taught to think?
	Or are they being taught what to think?
	Well, what to think, of course.
	So what's happening?
	Why are you allowing this?
	But once things become a gimme, like, oh, yeah, well, children go to school.
	That's the way it is. Then it stops being questioned.
	And this is the same with this download of our relationship to authority.
	You do what you're told.
	You know, I came out of the post office the other day to pick up a parcel.
	And I went in there, wear masks, no way.
	So I go in, no one said anything.
	You know, the first person that says anything to me is going to have that memory for the rest of their life.
	But I then come out, this is a lovely lady, quite young, I don't know, 25, 30 maybe.
	The older you get, the harder it is to assess.
	And she had a mask on.
	And I just had a quip.
	I said, how do people recognise each other these days, you know?
	And she said, well, I recognise you.
	I said, well, yeah, but I ain't got a mask on.
	I said, I wouldn't recognise you.
	And she said, oh, yeah, they're horrible, aren't they?
	I said, yeah, well, what are you wearing it for?
	And she said, well, I'm just someone who does what they're told.
	And I said to her, well, that's how a few control the world.
	And she said, yeah, I know, but she still does it.
	But it becomes ingrained.
	And it becomes a reflex action.
	And for whatever reason, ever since I was a kid, a little kid, I've said to authority, you do not demand my respect.
	You command my respect by your actions.
	And if your actions don't command respect, you ain't getting respect from me.
	So I was a rebel in that sense all along.
	And I had a father that was like that too.
	A father that didn't obey authority just because authority said it.
	And so I was kind of brought up like that.
	And it's... Well, bloody good job, really.
	So, David, I'd seen Gareth's speech the other day.
	I've seen him stand up and fantastic speech by him.
	Do you think Gareth will eventually take the baton from you and push forward with all the good work you've done over the years, or is he still looking for a musical career?
	Well, I hope that lots of people will be picking up the baton.
	And, you know, it's not really about taking over, because I'm going to be around a long time.
	I'll decide when I leave this place, not, you know, some bloke in a suit.
	I'll decide. People have no idea because they are manipulated to forget the power we have over our own assistance.
	It's phenomenal.
	It's fundamental, but we give it away.
	You know, the simple thing, the number of times a doctor will give a prognosis to death to a patient and they'll die within that period.
	And there's been people, I've read about them over the years, who were told they had a fatal disease.
	They were told how long they had to live.
	And they died within that period.
	And then when they did the post-mortem, they found they didn't have the fatal disease.
	But they died anyway.
	So, you know, that's the power of the mind.
	It's the power of perception.
	This is why perception is the stadium on which this whole manipulation of control of humanity is played out.
	Human perception. That's where it's played out.
	We take our perceptions back.
	It's over. And so we can impact upon our lives and decide what happens to us, sort of bloody illusion anyway, if we realize the power that we have.
	So I'm going to be around a long time.
	But what we need...
	There's more and more people doing it.
	And, you know, Gaz has got a great personality.
	He's got a quirky way of looking at life.
	And, of course, he and Jamie, my other son, who's fantastic in organising all this and making it happen through Iconic, a media platform.
	He only started, it had nothing to do with media in terms of organising it.
	He only started it in November.
	And it's just exploded.
	And so, you know, they are, yes, the next generation, but they've been with me all their lives, literally.
	And, you know, one of the things that I have not done with any of my children, and not Gaz, not Jamie, is say to them, this is what you must believe.
	This is what's happening in the world, and you must believe it.
	I've always said to them, look, ask me questions, but you make your own mind at what you think.
	Because we are not here as parents to dictate what happens to our children in terms of what they think and where they decide to take their lives.
	It's their lives. It's not our lives.
	We help them. We advise.
	We support. But we're not here to tell them what to think.
	And we're certainly not here to tell them what they're going to do with their lives.
	They could have gone off in any other direction they chose.
	But it was the power of the information.
	Along with the supporting power, what was happening in the world was increasingly in line with the information that made them decide that they were going to go down this road.
	And I am absolutely delighted that they did because it's great to have your family supporting you like that.
	But also, it's...
	They're very good at what they do.
	And whether they're my sons or whether they're not, they are a contribution, a big contribution to what's going on.
	And that delights me enormously.
	And I'm sure they'll do more and more and more.
	But I'm going to be around a while yet.
	Too much to do! Yeah, that's right.
	So, David, do you feel with this COVID-19 situation that's going on right now in the world, do you feel that more people are starting to wake up and question the narrative?
	Yes. Do you think that it could help restore things to some sort of normalcy around the world?
	Yeah, but our own new normal.
	I don't want the old normal.
	No, that's right. I don't want the old normal of the few controlling the many.
	I want freedom.
	And so I want this to be a catalyst for a transformation of the dynamic of human control.
	But you're absolutely right.
	I mean, I said years ago, when people said, you know, how do you think it's going to turn out?
	I said, well, it's going to have to get real frickin' bad before we turn this around.
	Because until it gets really bad, people just won't be focused on what's going on.
	They won't. If it's not in their face, then they'll, I can't be bothered with that.
	I'm going to do this. But when it's here, When what you see is happening in Victoria and Melbourne, in Australia and other parts of the world, increasingly in Britain, With the rollout of fascism and the end of parliamentary government, democratic government as they call it, then you really do have to be seriously head in the sand denial to not see that the world's not like you thought it was.
	And it is interesting to watch.
	Some people have got more and more Lost in the mind game as a result.
	I mean, it's so sad when you see people dart away from another human being for no other reason than they've been told that other human beings are dangerous or potentially dangerous.
	And you see kids doing it.
	It's so sad.
	But, as you say, a lot of people have got off the fence because, you know, if you've got any...
	Intelligence at all.
	Any sense of awareness at all.
	You've got to see what's going on.
	I mean, you know, all the fine detail in positions now.
	Wearing a mask, for instance.
	Social distancing, which is all psychological.
	It's all about driving people apart.
	The reason they're targeting the bars and the restaurants and the areas of entertainment is Because this is where you have human discourse, human interaction.
	This is where people relax and chill out.
	They don't want people relaxing and chill out.
	This is a war on the human psyche.
	It's a war on the human emotions.
	It's why so many people are committing suicide.
	You know, Gaz was telling me the other day, he knows more people who've committed suicide than he knows of COVID-19.
	In fact, he doesn't know anyone who's had COVID-19.
	But so many people that he knows, young people that he knew before here on the Isle of Wight and now where he lives there in the English Midlands now, have committed suicide.
	Young people. Because there's a war on the psyche.
	And the idea is to break people down, to break their spirit, break their self-respect, to break their sense of or bring to a point of what's the point?
	What's the point in going on?
	I was talking to a nurse the other day in a care home who got fired for attending a lockdown protest rally.
	And she was saying how in the care homes, because there's nothing to do, it's not like it was.
	They just sit in bed all day.
	They've lost the will to live.
	And so what happens? You lose the will to live.
	Mind loses the will to live.
	The body, which is a projection of the mind, Also loses the will to live and dies.
	So this is what they're doing.
	They're breaking people's spirit.
	So they don't want chill out time.
	They don't want you to relax.
	It's just good to have a beer.
	Oh, you can't do that.
	You know, we have this situation in Britain.
	I'm sure you have it in North America.
	Oh, please tell me it's not true.
	Where the rule now...
	Is that if you come to a restaurant...
	I was in a hotel restaurant the other day when I was on my way to talk in one of these events in Sacramento Square.
	I watch people.
	They walk in in a mask to their table and they take it off.
	What are you doing?
	It's ridiculous.
	You walk in...
	With a mask on, sit at the table and then take it off.
	Oh, yeah, but that's the rule.
	It is the rule. But it's stupid.
	I don't do it. And what you've had, I was told about this today, just happened down the road for me, is that someone stands up in a restaurant without a mask on to talk to someone in another table.
	He knows. And he gets screamed at by the owner of the restaurant.
	Sit down! Sit down!
	Oh yeah, I'm going out to the restaurant to chill out.
	It's like all the time they've created a situation, and this is all the mind program, where you're constantly being told what to do.
	You walk anywhere, you're constantly being given instructions.
	And it's about breaking that down.
	And that's why whenever I go, Wherever I'm in a situation which is ludicrous, I always have to point it out because I'm not going to let it become my gimme.
	I'm not letting it become my normal.
	If it's stupid, I've pointed out it's stupid.
	People are not always breaking into a round of applause, but I do it anyway because you've got to keep...
	Keep identifying. That's stupid.
	That's stupid. Because if you don't, you can get pulled into behavior modification where you start accepting things as a matter of, you know, this is how it is, that you would never have accepted in February 2020.
	So it's important that we don't just let anything pass, but acknowledge the fact it's insane.
	We had exactly the same thing here the other day.
	I took my family down.
	We've got a British-style pub here and we walked in and the lady met us at the door.
	She said, have you got your masks?
	I said, no, we won't wear them.
	She said, well, we can't let you in.
	And I look at the bar and literally, you know, people right next to each other on bar stools all around the bar.
	I said, but what about all them?
	She said, well, no. And they were sat right next to each other.
	Anyway, I said, this is stupid.
	I said, it makes no sense.
	And I could see everyone else in the pub looking at me.
	Well, what's this guy up to here?
	He's holding up the queue.
	Anyway, she ushered us very quickly to a table two feet from where...
	If you move quickly and come round to here, it's like, well, what's going to happen?
	Is the virus just going to automatically see someone without a mask in the pub and say, right, let's get him back?
	That's the guy there. We're going to go and get him.
	And it just made no sense.
	But I do what you do.
	I made at least the acknowledgement that it was stupid and I did it in a way that everyone else could hear me.
	And the manager come over.
	It was the manager that came over to kind of dispel the situation.
	But that's what happened.
	So have you seen as well, speaking of things that seem crazy, I was watching something yesterday talking in Australia where they were interviewing employers and employers now in Australia are going to try and bring a law out to protect the employers that if their staff do not get the vaccine when it comes out that they're allowed to sack them from their jobs.
	Have you seen that yet?
	Yes, I have come across that.
	And that's the plan for the world, basically.
	Because if they had assessed the situation, that they were getting the feedback that the vast overwhelming majority of people will have this vaccine, which we can talk about.
	Then they would be moving towards mandatory.
	But I think certainly at the moment, they've got the vibes and there's going to be a very large amount of people who are not going to have it because it makes no sense.
	And so they'll go to Plan B. I talked about this, Plan A and Plan B, months and months ago that if enough accepted the vaccine, they'd make it mandatory.
	Because then you've got a large, large number of people, you see, who've accepted the vaccine.
	Which leaves a much smaller number of people who won't accept it.
	And then you can play one off against the other and you can demonize the few.
	But because of what's been going on, particularly more and more recently, where what governments are telling them about this ludicrous idea of a virus makes no sense to people's personal experience.
	Just doesn't. I'm six months into this, and I'm quite an out there person.
	I'm still waiting to meet someone who's had the bloody virus, or not had the virus, tested positive with a test not testing for the virus, the RT-PCR test.
	Never mind someone who's been in bloody hospital.
	Or died from it. I don't know anybody.
	And I say to people, do you know anybody?
	No. And then when the odd one will say, oh, yeah, I know someone who's had it.
	And you say, well, how do you know they've had it?
	Oh, well, they tested positive.
	Yeah, but with a test that's not testing for the virus, the inventor of the test, Kerry Mullis, said you can't use this to detect and diagnose infectious disease because that's not what it does.
	But that's what they're using it for, because it's a scam.
	So, you know, more and more people's personal experience is not fitting with what they're being told.
	And people are getting more and more and more skeptical about this whole thing, not least the vaccine.
	And I think they can see that they're going to probably have to go with plan B, which is, they don't tell you, you've got to have the vaccine.
	They just create a situation where you can't do anything if you don't.
	And that's what you're describing.
	So you can't travel without having the vaccine and having a...
	What's interesting, I've just got a book out a few weeks ago called The Answer.
	And the first 80% or so of that book, I started it last October, was written before this pandemic kicked in.
	And then I've done a massive math about demolishing the pandemic.
	But the point is that so much in that first 80% where I'm laying out what the agenda is, Before this pandemic kicked in, has actually been box ticked ever since because of the pandemic hoax.
	And for instance, Bill Gates in the first eight centre of the book has many mentions because he's funding the whole bloody wish list of things.
	He is right.
	Primarily, he's involved in manipulating health and funding what we call health.
	But he's funding lots of other things as well.
	And one of the things I pointed out before the pandemic kicked in, I was looking at vaccines and how ridiculous they are in what's claimed for them and what they actually do to people.
	And I wrote there about The fact that Bill Gates and this organization, Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance, which he launched with a loan, not a loan, a donation of $750 million.
	They were creating something called the digital tattoo, which they said was to make sure that every child in the
	developing world was vaccinated with all that they're supposed to be vaccinated with, according to these morons
	and psychopaths.
	And it was like it could be seen, you could see it technologically if you've been vaccinated or not. Oh, well, this is because
	we care so much.
	We care about these poor children.
	Now we bloody know why they were developing it.
	Yes, it was for the reason they said, because Children in the developing world are part of humanity in general, but it's really for humanity in general.
	So now, what they were developing and saying it was something else, they're now saying, oh yeah, we'll be able to have this digital tattoo and these vaccine passports.
	And technologically, we'll know if you've been vaccinated or not, etc.
	So that's what they're bringing in so that they can say, well, no, you can't do that if you're not vaccinated.
	You can't do that if you're not vaccinated.
	So that people, they break, again, break people down, break people's spirit down, break people's resistance down.
	So, well, look, I don't want it, mate, but I've got to work.
	This is the game.
	And what I would say to people is that You can think of the short term, and my God, do I understand why you would.
	But there's the long game as well.
	And having the vaccine might let you keep your job in the short term.
	But jobs are going to disappear anyway.
	I mean, the economy is just in disarray, exactly on purpose.
	It's what the lockdowns are about.
	Destroying the global economy for reasons I talk about in the answer and I've talked about many times.
	But the long game is what's in the bloody vaccine.
	What's it going to do to you and your kids longer term?
	Because when psychopaths of the depth and horror of people like Bill Gates say, We can't go back to normal.
	They have no intention of going back to normal.
	Unless every man, woman and child on the planet is vaccinated.
	For a virus, I say it doesn't exist.
	But even if you do, the figures are so ridiculously low in terms of its impact that vaccinating every man, woman and child on the planet to save us from it is insane.
	So why are they doing it?
	They're doing it because of what's in the vaccine.
	And the contents of the vaccine, as I said back in March-April, will have been sitting there waiting before they played the pandemic hoax to justify the vaccine.
	And that's why they're...
	It's an amazingly quick...
	Getting this vaccine together, it's usually like, what, 10, 15 years more that they develop vaccines, even vaccines that do a lot of harm to people.
	And now we're asked to believe that they started in like January, February, seeking a vaccine, and now they're very close.
	Oh, come on.
	The contents was known about before you played the bloody scam.
	So what's in it?
	And that's...
	That's the next stage of where they want to take us, which we could get into if you like.
	But this is the point.
	Where we are now is only where we are.
	It's not where it's meant to go.
	It's meant to get much more extreme than this.
	And that's why I say to people, you know, are you going to draw a line now?
	Or are you going to let it get worse and worse and worse and let it become more and more difficult to turn around?
	Because... Where they want to go is beyond anything that a horror film could come up with, really.
	David, you mentioned your book, The Answer.
	I have a copy of it right here.
	I just want to read the back cover just for a minute.
	It says here, the answer will change your every perception of life and the world and set you free of the illusions that control human society.
	There is nothing more vital for our collective freedom than humanity.
	Becoming aware of what is in this book.
	So that's a very bold statement, and I've been reading it.
	I'm about 100 pages in, and it's been an amazing book.
	Would you say this is the most important book that you've ever written?
	Oh, yeah, I think so, because of when it came out.
	The interesting thing about the answer is that when it came out, which was the 14th of August, was decided before the pandemic, The title was decided.
	When it was going to be published was decided.
	And I started writing it in October.
	And suddenly it became something that was being circulated at exactly the right time when people were more and more open to the fact that something's not right with the world.
	So what is it? And the The nature of those words on the back cover are not just about the pandemic hoax, although that's absolutely taken apart, and the nature of the scam and why it's all been done.
	And how it's all been done is very simple.
	The structure of a global control of this pandemic is ever so simple.
	You just have the World Health Organization, which was created by the Rockefeller family, that are fundamentally involved in this global cult that I've been exposing for 30 years.
	And he's now owned on behalf of the cult by Bill Gates, which is his biggest funder.
	And you have Ted Ross, the Director General of the World Health Organization, who's a complete and utter crook from Ethiopia, who was on the board of companies funded, heavily funded by Bill Gates, before he became Director General of the World Health Organization.
	So when he's talking, Gates is talking.
	When Gates is talking, the cult is talking.
	The recommendations, like the masks thing has all come out of air.
	The recommendations that how countries should respond.
	And in the different countries, you have the medical hierarchy that at the peak of its pyramid answers to the World Health Organization, answers to the cold.
	And you'll see how the policy In the different countries is being driven within them by people like chief medical officers and chief science advisors.
	You know, what are politicians saying?
	We're being guided by the science.
	Well, actually, you're not. You're being guided by people who are manipulating the, quote, science on behalf of the cult that they represent.
	So in Britain, we have a guy, a chief medical officer called Chris Whitty, Who received for a research project $40 million from Bill Gates.
	We have a chief science advisor called Patrick Vallance, who was a longtime leading executive of GlaxoSmithKline, which has massive fundamental business connections to Bill Gates.
	The person who was actually behind the lockdown, both in Britain, many European countries, and North America, was a bloke called Professor Neil Ferguson, who produced absolutely ludicrous, but absolutely on time, the right outcome, computer models that Where he predicted that 2.2 million people would die of this,
	quote, virus in the United States, and half a million in Britain, unless there was lockdown.
	And both governments admit that because of those computer models, they decided that they were going to lock down, which has been an absolute catastrophe and killed loads and loads of people.
	The consequences of lockdown, like lack of treatment and Diagnosis for other things.
	Now, Professor Neil Ferguson is funded by Bill Gates.
	He works at a very sinister organisation in London called Imperial College, funded by Bill Gates.
	And so it's a very simple structure that's allowed this cult to control and dictate The response to this pandemic hoax right across the world.
	There is the odd exception like Sweden.
	But if you look at it, you have so-called independent governments and so-called independent countries, yet look how they've all responded to this pandemic hoax.
	The same! Because it's centrally coordinated.
	And so...
	It's not a complex structure that allows them to do this.
	It's a very simple structure.
	And all politicians are saying we're being led by the science, but no one asks, well, who are the bloody scientists?
	And what's the part played by psychologists?
	Because this whole thing is being driven by psychologists.
	People don't know, but The UK Cabinet Office, based in Downing Street and Whitehall, that's supposed to just support the Cabinet of the government, well, it's got 7,000 employees, so that's some bloody support, isn't it? It has nothing to do with that.
	But the Cabinet Office, part, owns a private company called the Behavioural Insights Team, which is openly...
	Seeking to modify the behaviour of the population.
	It's also called The Nudge Unit after a book by a, quote, czar in the Obama administration called Cass Sunstein, another bloke called Richard Thaler.
	They wrote a book called Nudge, and it's about nudging people's behaviour down channels that you want them to go.
	And they're driving this.
	You know, one of the most...
	Publicly vehement demanders of mandatory masks in Britain was not a medical doctor.
	He was a psychologist. A psychologist who was part of the scientific advisory team to the UK government.
	So what's actually going on, compared with what appears to be going on, is they're just not the same.
	And it's the awakening people that can see that.
	And it's the yes sir, no sir, three bags full people that are just doing whatever they're told.
	And that's how fascism comes in.
	Fascism doesn't come in because of the fascists.
	Fascism comes in because the public acquiesced to fascism.
	And they do it in incremental stages.
	So that you get them used to one stage of imposition.
	Okay, are they used to that now?
	They feel that's normal now.
	Yeah, okay, we'll go to the next one.
	And the next one, the next one.
	That's what's been going on.
	So Early on, if they'd have thrown everything at people when they had the initial lockdowns that has happened since, then you'd have got pushback.
	Whoa! What?
	So you do it incrementally.
	So they say, oh, well, we're only having a lockdown to flatten the curve.
	Only three weeks.
	Okay, you've gotten used to that.
	You've gotten locked down.
	President said, oh, no, well, no, we've got to keep going a bit longer.
	You know, this is worse than we thought.
	And then the masks came in and you start with, oh, only on public transport.
	Oh yeah, if you go into a shop.
	All shop workers. Oh yeah, if you go into a bar or restaurant, you've got to wear a mask before you get to your table.
	And where it's all going, and in some places it's already there, because it's the script, is that you won't be able to leave your home without wearing a mask.
	Is it like that in Italy right now?
	Did you hear that? I think in Italy it's outside as well.
	Yeah, well that's where they want to go.
	And why? Because of what we talked about earlier.
	The longer they can have humans in masks, the greater the impact on the brain and the health of the body.
	And of course, as this neurologist is talking about, all the organs of the body Obviously, the lungs, but also the heart and all the other organs.
	They need oxygen.
	And if they don't get sufficient, they start to deteriorate and break down.
	And what are they going to call that?
	COVID-19.
	I don't know whether you know, by the way, but they've just announced in Britain that they're not going to announce just COVID-19 figures anymore.
	SARS-CoV-2 figures.
	They're going to fuse them with the flu figures.
	Because, of course, the deaths or the cases, let's start with that, are coming from tests that are not testing for the virus, which has never been isolated and its whole genetic code shown to exist.
	But the death certificates are being used, the manipulation of death certificates, to produce the deaths.
	And so all they're doing is re-designating people with other forms of respiratory disease, not even that, you know, people who've died in motorcycle accidents, died of late-stage cancer, long-term heart disease, COVID-19 on the death certificate.
	They are, more than anything, redesignating flu.
	Because when this virus came out, what did they say?
	It's flu-like symptoms.
	Well, it could be the bloody flu then!
	And it's so indicative that, of course, the Southern Hemisphere is just coming out of their winter.
	And in South Africa, flu has disappeared this year, 2020.
	The last time I saw it, about three weeks ago, in the province of South Africa that includes the biggest city, Johannesburg, in the capital, Pretoria, there's been one official case of flu this year.
	One! And then you go to Australia, also, of course, just come through their winter.
	That's the flu figures for 2019.
	They're the flu figures for 2020.
	What's happened to the flu?
	It's been redesignated COVID-19.
	That's what's happened.
	That's the scale of the scam.
	And these people must eventually, when we get control back, They must go before Nuremberg tribe trials for crimes against humanity, including, by the way, Zuckerberg at Facebook and Wachiski at YouTube and Brennan Page at Google, because they are absolute facilitators of fascism.
	By the systematic censorship of information that is exposing what's going on.
	They are targeting that because they're getting desperate.
	They said early on that they were going to take the World Health Organization pronouncements as the gold standard of what was true.
	And they were going to censor anyone that was challenging and questioning that.
	And they've done that more and more hysterically.
	And it's got more and more hysterical because they're losing increasingly control of the perception of this in the public mind.
	Because the alternative view of what's going on makes sense of people's personal experience, whereas the official view does not.
	And so if you're going to protect a narrative that has no validity and no credibility, Then the only way you can do that is by censoring that which is exposing its lack of credibility.
	So that's what's happening.
	It was reported in the news media that I was banned by YouTube and Facebook in April for saying that 5G was causing the virus.
	I never said that. I said 5G can cause the symptoms that are being attributed to the virus, not least by the interaction with the oxygen molecule at 60 gigahertz.
	What got me banned was I said there is no virus, and I explained why.
	And how it's been pulled off.
	And within hours, that interview was gone.
	I did it on April the 6th.
	Still see it on Bitchute.
	Actually, it's on my website today as a retrospective of the last six months.
	But that's why I was banned.
	Because that is what they don't want you to know.
	They don't mind.
	They don't mind if...
	You know, people go down the road of, oh, it's a virus that has been created in a biolab in Wuhan and released.
	Because that still holds the idea that there is a virus.
	What they don't want you to know is they're not a virus.
	They're not a virus. You know, they said that this was a new version of a coronavirus.
	We have loads of coronaviruses in our bodies.
	That's what's pinging this test a lot of the time, among other things.
	Not SARS-CoV-2.
	But they said because SARS-CoV-2, the tiny little bit of material that they tested, has 80% genetically the same as SARS-CoV-1, as we might call it.
	And SARS-CoV-1, like all these other viruses, have also never been isolated to show 26 either.
	You know, I've got a number of books now I've read by doctors you never see on the BBC or, you know, CNN, who are pointing this out.
	You know, viruses, there is no empirical evidence that viruses cause disease.
	None. They just do it by repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition.
	And so you have this 80% genetically the same.
	But that is utterly bloody irrelevant.
	Like Dr.
	Andrew Kaufman, a doctor in America who's been very, very forensic in demolishing this idea that there is a virus.
	He points out that the genetic similarity between humans and chimpanzees is 96%.
	But look at the difference.
	And that's just 4%, you know, not the same.
	But look at the difference. So this is 80% like that.
	It's irrelevant. You know, a banana is 60% similar to human.
	I mean, what? It's ridiculous.
	But what they do, and I had this contact from a medical scientist in America back in March who called it out.
	He said, this is in March.
	He said, the test is not testing for the virus.
	And the test can pick up and does pick up loads and loads of things in the body that are nothing to do with the virus and nothing to do even with being ill.
	That's why a vast, overwhelming majority of people are test positive.
	Nothing wrong with them. No symptoms. And he said what they'll do is because they can't produce enough...
	The other thing he said, by the way, is if you were going to...
	Launch a fake pandemic.
	He said you do it with a coronavirus.
	Because we have so many coronaviruses, what they call family coronaviruses in the body, that they're going to ping and be picked up as a positive test.
	But not the one that they say is leading to COVID-19.
	And he said what will happen is they won't get enough deaths.
	From the figures.
	And so they will produce computer models, basically, to say, oh, yeah, no, we're not having the deaths now, but this is what's coming if we don't lock down.
	And if you look at the graphs in country after country after country, you've got the figures, the death figures from all causes, From previous year averages and 2020, virtually the same.
	Right until lockdown.
	And soon as lockdown kicked in, woof, they go up.
	So lockdown's been killing people, not COVID-19.
	And he called it all that was the plan.
	And this was in March.
	So there are people that can see through it.
	But, you know, when you ask doctors, why isn't every doctor coming out?
	Oh, well. They want to preserve their career, don't they?
	We see what happens to doctors when they've come out.
	I just wanted to ask you real quick about my thoughts.
	You're talking about Dr.
	Andrew Kaufman, and I saw a video with him about Operation Moonshot.
	Could you maybe elaborate on that a little bit in the UK? Yeah.
	You see, the scam all along has been The RT-PCR test.
	Right. Which its inventor Kerry Mullis said cannot detect free infectious viruses.
	He said that. There's actually an interview with him.
	He died, unfortunately, not long before it was kicked off.
	But there's an interview with him where he's making the same point about the so-called AIDS virus and the PCR test.
	He's very skeptical about these viruses and what they were claiming about them.
	But certainly his test was not created to pick them up.
	It was for other reasons. And do you know something?
	When these people like Roche and other pharmaceutical companies You know, they send out these tests and a lot of these tests came on the market just before this happened altogether.
	It says in as a warning.
	This test is not for testing infectious disease, basically, but is for research purposes only.
	That's what it says. And these are the tests that are being used to get the cases.
	So this is why Ted Ross, i.e.
	Gates, said early on, and it's been repeated by these medical officers answering to...
	The World Health Organization.
	The way to deal with this crisis is test, test, test.
	Why? Because they know that the more you test with a test not testing for the virus, the more fake positives you're going to get, which you can then say, we've got all these cases, we've got to have more lockdowns and more fascism.
	So what they've done in this country and Operation Moonshot is what they're now planning.
	This was a leaked document to the British Medical Journal about where they want to go from here.
	But what's been happening through the summer and up to present day is there's, and this is not just in this country, but in countries around the world, there's been a massive increase in testing.
	We're having advertisements paid for by the taxpayer on television and radio that are depicting the world as it used to be, football matches with big crowds and concerts, all these things, and saying, wouldn't it be great?
	Wouldn't it be great to go back to this?
	Well, the way to get back is get tested.
	And of course, it's a complete lie because they know that when people get tested, a lot of them are going to be false positives.
	And they're going to call them cases, even though there's nothing wrong with them and they have no symptoms.
	And then they can say, we've got all these cases.
	We must go further away from going back to normal.
	So it's an absolute inversion, the whole thing.
	And Operation Moonshot is just a fantastic expansion on that.
	According to these leaked documents, government documents, by early 2021, the British government wants 10 million people a day in a country of 60 odd million.
	Test it every day.
	You test it before you go to work.
	And if you test positive, then you can't go to work.
	You can't travel. You have to self-isolate.
	And you don't know that until you've had your test day after day after day, week after week after week.
	And this is where they want to go.
	Complete and utter control.
	And they have this thing.
	I'm sure they have it in North America as well.
	I know they do. But Britain being a smaller country, it's got more intense and it's more widespread.
	And that is track and trace.
	You can't go into a cafe now.
	Well, I bloody do, but never mind.
	And you can't go into a bar at any restaurant anywhere like this unless you give your details.
	And they've got an app where you just do that with your phone.
	Well, I haven't got a bloody mobile phone, so I struggle with that.
	And then if they find that you've been interacting with anyone who's kind of...
	You know, this nurse I was talking to from a care home, she said that within the health service it's chaos!
	Because so many people are being told to self-isolate within the medical profession who have no symptoms because they're pinged positive with a test not testing for the virus.
	It's unbelievable what's going on.
	But that's a defence of it, really, in the sense of what is happening is so extraordinary and so extreme and so insane that a lot of people just won't accept that it would It could be happening.
	Because, well, they wouldn't do that.
	Or they would.
	And they are.
	I've got a bit of an unusual question for you.
	My wife is a very talented shamanic healer.
	And over the past year, she's been massively drawn to turquoise.
	Now, she saw something a long time ago where you were talking about turquoise and the power of turquoise, and she asked me to speak to you and ask you what it is about turquoise that you're aware of that is so powerful.
	Well, it's the power of colour.
	You know, when...
	Because this is why I wrote one book, the one before this one, called The Trigger, which was about 9-11.
	And that's about the only book where I've done names, dates, places without all the nature of reality thrown in.
	But in every other book I have, virtually every other book going way back.
	Certainly in the answer, I mean, the nature of reality is a big central part of it.
	Because we can't understand the world unless we understand the nature of the reality that we're experiencing.
	And the way this control works is you have a world that the human population live in, where, as I said earlier, it's systematically squeezed in terms of its knowledge of everything.
	Then you have this other world of secret societies and semi-secret groups, particularly the inner core of the secret societies, where they are operating on a very different level of knowledge.
	Which is passed on through the secret society network at the highest level to keep it from getting into the public arena.
	They don't want people to know what they know.
	That's what it's all about. That's why you have these secret society networks.
	To keep secrets.
	And yes, part of that knowledge they want to keep from us is the knowledge of this agenda of where they want to take the world.
	But a massive part of it is knowledge about the nature of reality.
	And it's nothing like we think we're experiencing.
	But on the subject of color, everything Is a frequency in this reality.
	Everything. Every emotion, every thought, depending on its nature, is a different frequency.
	Every colour is a different frequency.
	In fact, it's we who decode colour.
	Because of...
	If you absorb a colour...
	Then if something absorbs a colour, then you don't see it.
	And if it reflects a colour, then you see it.
	The simplest example of what I'm talking about is we only see objects that reflect light.
	So if we're in a pitch black room with no light, You can't see anything because nothing's reflecting to show you form.
	And then you have a light source and suddenly it starts reflecting.
	Well, what things reflect, depending on the frequencies they reflect, that depends what color it is.
	And if it absorbs it and doesn't reflect it, then it's not that colour.
	And so we're interacting, while we think we're interacting in the world of solidity, we're actually really interacting in the world of frequency.
	And every colour is a frequency.
	And some frequencies are...
	They are beneficial to certain people because of their frequency field.
	This particular colour will be in harmony, very beneficial and supportive of that particular energy field.
	So what do we say?
	Oh, you know, you look great in that color.
	It makes you kind of vibrant, that color.
	When you wear that color, and then you see other people in other colors, oh, you know,
	that drains you.
	No, that color, that drains you.
	Why does wearing a color drain you and another one make you vibrant?
	It's whether that particular color, i.e. frequency, is in harmony with your own energetic
	field or whether it's not.
	And so if you're attracted to a color, what you actually are being attracted to is its
	So when I was going through my initial awakening, saying, please, would you tell me what's going on?
	Because I can't work it out.
	Back in 1990, I was very much attracted to the colour of turquoise.
	And it is a powerful colour.
	I mean, obviously, the Native Americans believe that.
	But what colours that we're attracted to, it's part of us.
	Why are some people attracted to one colour and other people attracted to another colour?
	Because we all have different energetic fields in different frequency states and therefore different colours will affect us in different ways and we'll be attracted to them in different ways.
	That's great. Thank you.
	I'd like to ask you about do you believe that things are ever going to go back the way they were before?
	Do you think that it's possible that enough people will awaken and things will, you know, society will kind of figure out what's going on here or do you think that we have a chance here?
	No, I don't think it's going to go back to how it was before because too much has changed.
	The question is how will it change?
	And If you mean going back to crowds in football stadiums and crowds in concerts and people sitting in bars like they used to and restaurants like they used to, absolutely we can go back to that.
	We can go back to that very, very quickly if people stop acquiescing to the other thing.
	But, you know, on a positive side, you know, The longer this goes on and the more obvious it is to people, the less they're going to want to go back to being dictated to by authority anymore.
	They're going to want to change that dynamic.
	Awakening people, they're going to want to change that dynamic.
	So we are standing at a fork in the road.
	But if we go on as we are, then, well, I can't even describe how, I mean, Orwell didn't even cut it with the extremes that they're planning.
	But on the other hand, we go the other way, and we can go back to the normality of human interaction, but not the normality of human control that has pervaded throughout human history.
	So we can change it in a very different but positive way.
	And because People fall for the idea that authority has power.
	It doesn't have any power. The power is in the power that humans give away.
	You know, people talk about we want our freedom back.
	We need to take our freedom back.
	Well, we don't. We need to stop giving it away.
	It's a different thing.
	We don't want our freedom back.
	We are already free.
	It's a choice. We need to stop giving it away.
	And when we give it away, and we give it to authority, authority recycles it back against us, as is happening now.
	And we think at that point that authority has power.
	But no, it's our power recycled back against us.
	And we can turn this around ever so quick just by the power of no.
	The way to turn it around is not really rocket science, whether people are going to do it.
	Is the question. Not what actually needs to be done.
	Because, you know, you can find solutions to problems.
	They usually lead to more problems.
	Or you can remove the cause of the problem.
	The cause of the problem is human acquiescence to authority.
	For no other reason than its authority.
	I mean, it's quite funny.
	I watched a video the other day.
	And we have these things now in Britain called COVID marshals.
	They're just giving them body bloody cameras.
	Are they supposed to go and police the COVID laws?
	I've not come across one yet.
	I am looking forward to it.
	But this guy went out, right?
	Well, two of them. And they put the luminous jackets on.
	And they were acting as if they were COVID marshals, but they weren't.
	They were just making it up.
	And you saw people.
	You're not wearing a mask. Put your mask on.
	Oh, sorry. Sorry. I don't know how they were with two blokes that put luminous jackets on.
	And this is the point.
	This is the crux of it all.
	While people do that in vast numbers, nothing's going to change.
	When they stop doing it, things will change.
	They have to. And that's what we're all kind of working on.
	Of course, that's what we're all working on.
	Because we're trying to increase that number of people who can see it and won't have it.
	See, there's three groups.
	You've got the group that just believes what the government tells them.
	So they believe in this deadly virus.
	And, you know, you ask them about the figures and they don't even know what the figures are.
	They just think everyone's bleeding, dying of it.
	Well, you know, that's the impression I got from CNN. Yeah, okay.
	Yeah, well, I wonder why that is.
	And then you've got another group that can see it's a scam, or at least at some level, that we're not being told the truth.
	But they acquiesce not because they can't see it's something not right, but because they fear authority.
	And that does for most of the population.
	They're one or the other.
	And then you have another group, which is getting bigger, Who say, I can see it, and I'm not having it.
	I'm not acquiescing with it.
	They're the ones that have the self-respect.
	And the challenge is to make that Bigger and bigger and bigger.
	And it is happening. And what I'm finding very encouraging is people within the system are starting to break out.
	Like this lady, for instance, came out very, very clearly pointing out what masks are doing to people.
	You've got lawyers. There was a very good video by a lawyer from Germany the other day where they talked about putting together class action lawsuits because, you know, these people can't be allowed to get away with what they've done.
	In each country, there has to be Nuremberg-type trials for crimes against humanity.
	Because what they've done globally to people's lives, including ending them through lockdown, is unbelievable.
	I mean, it's beyond the Nazis, because basically it's the Nazis going global.
	And, you know, it can't be just allowed to just disappear.
	And they just...
	Carry on with their lives.
	Because there has to be a stand so that anyone that thinks they're going to do this again will have an example of what happens if you do.
	Like this guy, Daniel Andrews, in Victoria, in Australia.
	The man's a fascist. And like, you know, the vast majority of fascists, he's a bloody idiot as well.
	But what they know about Not him, but the core, the inner core, just as the Nazis knew about, is how to manipulate human perception.
	That was the whole basis of the Nazis.
	You know, Goebbels and the Ministries of Information and Truth and all this stuff.
	They manipulate human perception.
	That's how they whipped up the German population to do what happened in the last century.
	They did it by controlling their perception.
	And then by the time reality dawned on the German population of what it was really all about, it was too late.
	Yeah. With enough people waking up now, which we are all seeing, as you say, people are coming out from everywhere and waking up to what's going on.
	I really do believe that this will break this centuries of cycle that has been domineering people for so long.
	But on the other side of that, as we come out of this and everything changes and these people are held accountable and brought up in something like Nuremberg trials to be held accountable for what they've done, How do you see humanity the other side of that?
	How's life going to be the other side of this as we get past it and move forward?
	You know, do we need to put things into place where this can never happen again?
	Well, the society that emerges after this will depend upon the collective perceptions of the population.
	Because it's the collective perceptions of the population that have got us where we are now.
	The world we're looking at is a projection of collective human perception.
	I've just talked about those three groups.
	It's the perceptions that have created the reality.
	I have this phrase, what you believe you perceive and what you perceive you experience.
	So... People think that when they perceive, and I don't understand it, we seem to, you know, your daily experience is this is the case, but it's not.
	It could be very simply explained why it's not.
	But if you believe in a solid world of density and matter, Then you can think of change, and you can think of it as being necessarily slow.
	You have to have a meeting, and someone takes the minutes, and then someone decides, slow, slow.
	But it's not like that. This is actually a holographic illusion, and it's a projection of human consciousness, human perception.
	So when human perception shifts...
	Then its projection shifts.
	The collective...
	Transformation of perception will create a different world, which will express that perception, just as the current one expresses current perception.
	And so it's not really even a thing about, you know, having a meeting and taking minutes.
	They're just the way it's played out.
	Perception dictates everything.
	So if we, for instance, reach a point of collective perception Where we realize that we are points of attention within one infinite stream of consciousness.
	And we're having a...
	This current point of attention is having a brief experience called human.
	And what we call our labels, which people self-identify with, are just experiences for that consciousness.
	And we're all exploring forever, forever on an eternal journey of exploration.
	Then... The whole world will be different.
	It will be totally transformed.
	Because at the moment, most people self-identify with a label, a series of labels.
	And the cult knows this.
	That's what identity politics is really all about.
	Yes, on one level, it's a wonderful vehicle for dividing and ruling.
	But what it's really about beyond that is to get people to self-identify the I with smaller and smaller and smaller bubbles of self-identity.
	So instead of being a man or a woman, or this sexuality or that sexuality, you have to define yourself now in this long list of bloody letters, seems to get longer all the time, where people have to define themselves in fine detail about their race, their thoughts, their sexuality.
	I mean, just get on with it.
	You know, just live your bloody life.
	You have to kind of define everything for.
	And what that's doing, it's subdividing and subdividing even the old labels into smaller and smaller bubbles, units of self-identity.
	And the more you subdivide and subdivide the IMRs, The further you are disconnecting yourself from the consciousness that you really are.
	And what transformed my life was a simple transformation of self-identity from I am my labels to I am the consciousness having those experiences called labels.
	And as you focus on smaller and smaller senses of self, By that focus of attention, by that self-identity, you are withdrawing into smaller and smaller units of consciousness that you're actually operating with.
	But when you self-identify with being consciousness and the labels as your experience...
	Then that expansion of self-identity automatically expands you into greater and greater swathes of consciousness beyond the programmed world of the cult.
	And suddenly, you start to see things and understand things you didn't understand before.
	Because the idea, the whole foundation of the control Is to isolate people in very, very limited self-identities.
	I am ours, I call them.
	And then to program that isolated bubble, if you like, of perception with a perception of reality and self that suits the cult.
	And basically what they're telling you is you are a little me, you have no power.
	That's what they're telling you all the time.
	So you have to give your power away to authority.
	They're not saying you give your power away, but you must look to authority to guide you and to look after you because you're a little me.
	And a little me perception becomes a little me life.
	You see people all the time.
	Well, I've got no power.
	What can I do? So what are you doing with your life then?
	Well, nothing. Well, of course.
	Cause and effect. But when you self-identify with being consciousness, having a brief experience called human, then you are seeing yourself in expanded self-identity and you expand your consciousness into realms of insight, of understanding, of intuitive knowing that are not available there.
	And people who do that, of course, people there say, you're mad, you're insane, you're crazy, you're dangerous.
	But that's where you see the picture.
	Here, you see the pixels, you see the dots.
	What's going on?
	What are they doing that for?
	And there, you see the dots turn into patterns, the pixels turn into pictures, and you start to see how it all connects.
	And you see things you couldn't see before.
	The idea is to keep people there.
	And it's happened all the way through history.
	This is not new. It's just the scale of it is new.
	And the technological input of it is new.
	But they used religion for centuries to hold people there.
	Oh, you can't do that!
	That's blasphemy! And so that transformation of self-identity If it impacts on enough people, it will completely transform the world.
	Because it will reflect in our interactions and our ways of living.
	It will reflect that expanded awareness and not that awareness, which is what it does now.
	So it's much simpler than it seems.
	Change perception, change the world.
	Well, change perception, change your life.
	Collectively change perception, change the world.
	So we're going into the winter here in North America and obviously in the UK as well, in Europe.
	There's a lot of people that are scared and they're kind of wondering what's going to happen going forward.
	So what would be your advice, David, for some of these people?
	What could they do to kind of help themselves and get through this?
	What would be your advice? Well, first of all, Start to realize who you really are and not what you've been told you are.
	Because what you've been told you are is only to suit the ability of the few to control the many.
	So there are no little me's.
	There are just perceptions of little me's.
	It's like the Buddha is quoted as saying, the mind that perceives the limitation is the limitation.
	It's what I was saying a few minutes ago.
	So get out of the idea that you're a little me and you're just the labels.
	You're not, you know, Bill driving the bus.
	You're not Mary down the call center.
	They're just your experience.
	You are the consciousness having that experience.
	And that can be, you can access a tiny amount of consciousness, or you can access vast swathes of consciousness.
	And that is overwhelmingly dictated by who you think you are.
	You think you're little me.
	When you know your big me, infinite me, it's completely different.
	So that's fundamental.
	Because once you get there, there's no way you're going to let some bunch of prats in dark suits tell you what you're going to do with your life and tell you what's going to happen to your kids.
	You're not going to do it. Because your self-respect won't allow you.
	The more you...
	The more you divide and divide and divide into smaller and smaller units of self-identity, what happens most of the time is deleting self-respect, each subdivision.
	So you give yourself away to authority.
	It might be anyone from the government to the group of people that you work with or go to university with.
	You'll give your mind away to the group.
	That will never do that.
	And so that's fundamental.
	And the other thing is, just look at who benefits from your acquiescence.
	Do you? Well, of course not.
	Your acquiescence benefits those few that want to dictate your life.
	So if you go on acquiescing to your own enslavement, you'll be enslaved.
	Don't be complaining about it.
	Cause and effect. And the more people that do it, the easier it gets.
	A few people do it.
	The system can react to them.
	And they can get picked off.
	But when large numbers of people do it, It's...
	There are no consequences.
	You know, if a few doctors come out and say it's all a scam, well, they can get fired.
	What if 50, 60% of doctors came out and said it's all a scam?
	What are you going to do? Sack them all?
	They've been no health service! Yeah.
	But it is going to take, and it is taking, as it always has throughout human history, the pioneers...
	Just stand up first. But if people want to go on acquiescing, then don't think anything's going to change.
	Can't. If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got.
	If people change what they've always done, they'll get something different.
	And so the choice is ours.
	Go on giving your power away.
	Enslavement. Stop giving your power away.
	Freedom. We've given our power away for so many centuries now to kings and queens, and we look at the current royal family and the situation there, and I haven't seen them for a long time.
	Can't understand why the likes of Prince Andrew hasn't been arrested based on the evidence that's been put forward, but do you see the downfall of the royal family coming?
	Oh, yes, I do. Because we're moving into a different era of the cult.
	We're moving into a completely different world that they want to create.
	This is what terms like the Great Reset and the New Normal are really all about.
	Building back better is another one that they use.
	And the way that the world is meant to be structured in this Great Reset does not include the royal family.
	And You know, it's a long story, but I go into it in the answer.
	They are targeting Western society.
	Targeting Western society.
	They want to turn Western society.
	I've been saying this for years. They want to turn Western society into Chinese society.
	That's why the West has become more and more like China as a result of this pandemic hoax, which came out of China.
	And so they're targeting the pillars of Western society.
	So they bring it down. Because what they want is a global monoculture, where everywhere is the same.
	They're targeting Western culture now, but once that's done, if they achieve it, they'll just target other cultures and other cultures until you have a global monoculture.
	So when people say, oh yeah, you know, white supremacy, it's all white people.
	Well, when they've done for white people, they're coming for you.
	Right. You know, what was that Pastor Nea Moller in Nazi Germany?
	First they came for the socialist.
	I was not a socialist, so I did nothing.
	And so on, it goes on.
	And then they came for the Jews and I was not a Jew, so I did nothing.
	And then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
	Well, that's what they're doing. They're picking out off different sections of society and So what they're targeting in Western society now is white people.
	Why? Because that's the dominant racial group within Western society.
	So they've got to target that, to bring it down.
	And they've got to target them.
	Particularly, they're targeting white men.
	And what's going on, it's another story I go into in the answer, is they're demasculizing men.
	This is why testosterone levels are falling, sperm counts are falling, there's other reasons for that, because they don't want that kind of male that goes, we're not having it.
	They want acquiescent people.
	Another pillar, and I'm absolutely not a Christian.
	I don't self-identify.
	Well, I'm a white man.
	I'm conscious of having an experience.
	I don't care what, you know, the color of nature of the body is.
	I'm having an experience.
	I'm consciousness. That's me.
	This is my experience.
	So I'm not coming from a racial point of view, but I'm looking coldly and calmly at what is happening and why.
	The major race of the Western world is white people, so they're targeting them.
	And another pillar of Western society, even though I'm not a Christian, and Christianity is losing its impact all the time, because of the way that Western society has developed.
	The Christian religion is still weaved through it.
	And it's part of the structure of Western society.
	So they're targeting Christianity.
	So if you look at the woke political correctness hierarchy, You cannot say anything about any other race, otherwise you're politically incorrect.
	White people, say what you bloody like.
	They're not political correctness.
	Why? Because that's the target.
	Criticise any religion, any other religion, that's against political correctness.
	That's a hate crime!
	Say what you like about Christianity.
	There's no political correctness in Christianity.
	And I speak as someone who's not a Christian at all.
	And then we come round to the point of the question.
	The royal families, as I've looked at in the books in great detail over the years, have been very much part of this whole cult.
	That's not least the British royal family.
	But we're now moving to a point where the whole of the global structure of control is moving on.
	And they're not needed anymore by the cult.
	And another thing going on from what I've just said.
	You look at British society, for instance, which in so many ways, because of historical reasons and the fact that the cult is massively involved here, is a pillar of Western society.
	And the Western culture.
	And you look at the Commonwealth, too.
	I mean, I'm still staggered that the head of state in Canada is a bloody queen.
	I can't believe it. And Australia, New Zealand, what's going on?
	But royalty, again, and the structure and institutions of royalty are weaved through so much of Western society.
	In Britain, we don't have a government of the people.
	We have Her Majesty's government.
	We don't have an opposition to the government.
	We have Her Majesty's loyal opposition.
	That's what the opposition party's called.
	We have Her Majesty's army, Her Majesty's tax office, Her Majesty's passport office.
	It's all weaved into it.
	And so they want to bring down Western society.
	So they want to basically pull the cards out of the pyramid of cards that are going to bring down Western society and completely change it.
	And that means they have to target the institutions that basically hold it together.
	We might not agree with those institutions, but if you're going to transform a society, then they're the institutions you have to go for.
	And I look now at...
	What has happened with the royal family?
	This American lady, Meghan Markle, has come in and taken this Prince Harry away.
	Okay, so, you know, the Queens and Prince Philip are in their 90s.
	So when they go, who's left?
	Who's left to take it on?
	Basically, Prince William.
	That's it. And his family.
	And his children are very young.
	Prince William is not, you know, the epicentre of charisma.
	And where's it going to go from there?
	And I do think that very soon after the Queen goes, and Prince Philip goes, particularly the Queen, that we'll start to see the rollout to the end of royalty as we know it.
	It's all part of a bigger plan.
	That's it, because if Charles stepped in, they could always then throw the Savile side of things at him and unhinge him from his position.
	Well, Charles is a member of the cult, just like the British royal family is.
	It's just a matter of how they serve that cult, and the serving through royalty is coming to an end.
	So you have Prince Charles going to Davos, World Economic Forum, talking about the need for a great reset.
	And he's talking about the world economy must be transformed to save the world from human-caused global warming, standing alongside Greta Thunberg, saying the same.
	So, you know, he's just an asset of the cult.
	And he's very unpopular in this country.
	And I don't think he'll do a lot for the survival of royalty when he takes over.
	And of course, he's not a spring chicken himself.
	Before we go, I know we're getting close on time here.
	I'd like to ask you about what you think is going to happen with the US election.
	And do you think we're witnessing the fall of the Roman Emperor in real time with this in the United States?
	Well, you can get Trump back in, and he's controlled by the cult, in less obvious ways.
	And I do think that there are traits of Trump that do push back here and there.
	But in many ways, he's certainly in sync with it.
	But then you have Biden and Harris, two empty vessels.
	And if Biden and Harris get in, there won't be any pushback at all.
	And within a year, two years, what's left of America will be gone.
	What's left of the America we knew, and there's not a lot left now, will be gone.
	Because this woke mentality, which they represent, is the creation of the cult.
	It's everything that the cult wants.
	I show this clearly in the answer.
	Everything the cult wants, the woke mentality wants.
	And isn't it amazing that the woke mentality, which sees itself as social justice warriors and anti-establishment are all in favour of the masks and the social distancing and a lot of the abuse of people that are challenging it comes from that direction and it's the same woke mentality that wants the world to be transformed into a Marxist state basically to save the world from Human-caused global warming, as they allege, load of nonsense.
	So the woke mentality, which wants what?
	Censorship through political correctness, getting the population to censor itself.
	And so the Silicon Valley corporations, they all come from the woke mentality.
	Not because they're social justice warriors, but because the woke mentality is Has created basically the army that's hijacked the left.
	I mean, I grew up in the traditional left.
	That's not what the left is now.
	Traditional left is seen as Nazi to the woke fake left.
	And this is why you get people like George Soros funding these woke left organizations to vast amounts of money, vast amounts of money, tens of billions.
	While saying that he never considers the social consequences of what he does in finance.
	He's just there to make money.
	A man with that attitude is funding all these social justice organizations.
	What a joke. And one of the major ones that he funds is Black Lives Matter.
	What they've done is hijack a phrase that most people would not be able to disagree with, Black Lives Matter.
	Yeah, well, all lives matter. But when All Lives Matter becomes a racial statement, a racist statement, then you know there's a scam going on.
	And Black Lives Matter, capital letters, the organization, I can argue with, because it's not about black lives.
	It's about dividing the target population on the grounds of race.
	And Targeting the white race, which they need to subjugate if they're going to transform Western society.
	It all connects in the end, all of it.
	Yeah, that's great.
	Now, David, we could talk for hours.
	We know this. No.
	Would you be opposed to coming back and having a talk with us again in the future?
	Yeah, of course. As things progress, there's so much we can talk about, so much we can cover, and I know that you're a very busy man, but we'd love to have you back on again if that's possible.
	Yeah, I'm sure. Well, at some point.
	I'm being deluged at the moment, which is a good thing.
	We have this window To get as many people as possible aware that there's another way of looking at what's going on.
	As soon as I finish here, I'm going to be doing an interview with someone else.
	This is what the days are like.
	It's so different to 30 years ago, 20 years ago, when I couldn't fill a phone box.
	No one wanted to know about this information.
	That's crazy, man.
	We're not so crazy now.
	And so you do what you can.
	But I'm sure at some point we'll find a time to get together again.
	Absolutely. That's fantastic.
	So anyway, I think we're going to wrap things up here, David.
	I don't know if you have any final thoughts there, Chris, before we let David go here.
	No, it's just been a pleasure.
	It really has. And, you know, I hope that the viewers really get something out of this.
	And I hope that the viewers are going to look further into your work, you know, certainly with the literature that you've put out there, but also the content that's available in different formats on different platforms as well.
	Yeah, what I did in, well, what was it, 19th of September, I did a live stream, which is supposed to have been five hours.
	It was seven at the end.
	I do have verbal diarrhea.
	But I did this live stream to put it all together.
	And if people only listen to or watch the first three hours of it, they'll see the entire pandemic hoax dismantled.
	On every level of what's really going on and put into the bigger context of it seems to be in and of itself, but it's not.
	It's part of a much bigger picture.
	And that's available on Iconic, iconic.com, anytime anyone wants to see it.
	It's seven hours, massively illustrated, of course.
	But the first three hours will really bring people up to speed on what's going on around them now.
	Yeah. Yeah.
	Now, we'll leave some links to all your links to your website in Iconic and that on the show notes.
	But I just want to say, David, it's been a pleasure and an honor to speak with you today, and I hope we can do it in the future, and I really appreciate you coming on with us.
	No problem. Loved it.
	Thanks very much. Thank you very much, David.
	Like we say, before we leave, like we always say here, love one another, believe nothing, and question everything.
	And that's a wrap. Thank you.

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