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June 3, 2020 - David Icke

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Covid, Riots, Epstein, Gates & The Cult - David Icke Talks To Jackman Radio

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	What do you make of everything that's going on right now with the virus and the protesting and the police brutality?
	Well, I've kind of been writing about this for 30 years, that this whole transformation of society into an Orwellian global state was not some figment of the imagination, but was something that was coldly calculated and has been planned a long time.
	And one of the foundations of any tyranny is divide and rule.
	I don't just write about names, dates, places, manipulation, though I do that in enormous detail.
	I also talk about the fact that we are consciousness.
	We're all points of attention in the same consciousness.
	My point of attention has a different perception to another and another and another, but we're all expressions of the same consciousness.
	And what happens in a very brief period called being human In this extraordinarily manipulated society, manipulated by manipulating perception, not only of world events but of self-identity, is that we get caught in the idea that we are our colour, we are our race, we are our life story, we are our religion, we are our country, and we are our sex or sexuality.
	And these are not who we are.
	They are experiences that we're having.
	Experiences that who we really are, consciousness, is having and is observing.
	And once you lose that self-identity of consciousness, when in the end we're all expressions of each other, then you get pulled in to what I call label self-identity.
	Where you self-identify with all those things and others, all the labels that we give ourselves and are given.
	And if you look at what's been happening over quite a period of time, it's not just that we have had labels of race used to divide and rule, that we have that systematically happening.
	And this whole woke mentality is actually has been funded and manipulated into place by the 1%, by the multi-multi-billionaire class that the woke claim to oppose but clearly don't because they're in bed with a lot of them, not least people like George Soros.
	And so We have not only divided rule by race, but if you look at what's been happening across the swathe of society, the labels that we self-identify with have got smaller and smaller and smaller.
	And the more we Create these and squeeze these self-identities, the more self-identities there are to play off against each other in divide and rule.
	And so we now have this list of letters, self-identity letters, getting longer and longer and longer all the time, to the point where you can't even parody it anymore.
	And so now...
	You have feminists at war with transgender people.
	It's everywhere, this divided rule.
	And if there's a few of you and you want to control and dictate the lives of the many, you have to divide and rule the many.
	You have to set the many at war with each other so that they are fighting each other, seeing each other as the enemy.
	And in doing so, they don't see you holding the strings of all these different labels and playing them off against each other.
	So that in terms of, you know, racial division and all these other divisions is exactly what's going on and it is calculated.
	Yeah, the powers that be like to see that happening and kind of speaking to what you, you know, you've said over the years, you know, how do you how do you control, you know, seven billion people or nearly eight billion people at this point?
	Through division, divide and conquer and getting people to have tribes against each other when in reality we should all be working together to expose who's really benefiting and profiting.
	The stadium in which human control is played is perception.
	That's it. The whole point of this whole global conspiracy is to control human perception because from perception comes behavior.
	We behave the way that we do in the different ways we do Because of the perceptions we have.
	So if you can control perceptions, you control behavior.
	And you control perceptions by controlling the information that people receive to form those perceptions.
	This is why I've been banned from YouTube with a million subscribers, or why I've been banned from Facebook, why I've been banned from almost anything that moves in the mainstream internet.
	It's because I was putting information out about this pandemic which was offering people information to form If they choose to, another perception of what's happening.
	Now, that's no good if you're trying to control perception.
	You have to control the narrative, which dictates perception overwhelmingly.
	And so we've had this situation where the World Health Organization, which was created by the Rockefeller family and is owned currently on behalf of what I call the global cult by Bill Gates, its second biggest funder, second only to the United States.
	And they have put out a narrative which has now been absolutely discredited.
	I mean, they were saying that we have to have lockdowns because the death rate of this so-called COVID-19 is 3.4%, where now it turns out, with latest CDC figures, that it's about 0.26%, even if you believe that it exists at all.
	And I don't. And So you've got this narrative put out by this cult-owned World Health Organization.
	And then on the other side of America, in Silicon Valley, you have Google, Google-owned YouTube, Facebook, saying we are going to delete and censor anyone who basically challenges the World Health Organization version of this pandemic.
	So what they're doing is controlling information.
	And if you're going to do that, you have to delete information that's not what you want people to see, as well as promote that which you want them to see.
	And this is done to create control of perception.
	And so what we've had, and you know, it's kind of It's been a head-shaker for me, having been writing about this for 30 years.
	People have said to me so many times, mate, over the years, it's ridiculous.
	A few people can't control the world.
	It's not possible. And then in a few weeks, 3 billion people plus are under house arrest around the world.
	On the say-so of a very, very tiny number of people, ultimately.
	Very tiny, globally, ultimately.
	So... It's possible for two reasons.
	One, the great majority buy into what they're told is going on, i.e.
	this dangerous virus.
	And as a result of their perceptions being formed from accepting that information, they go under house arrest because they think it's going to protect them.
	And then you've got another group of people who kind of realize that something's not right here, but they still do it because they fear the consequences of not doing it.
	And in the end, it's all perception.
	It's control of perception that caused the lockdowns.
	You know, if they'd have said, OK, what's going to happen is everything's going to shut.
	This small number of people in each country, all ultimately controlled by a central global core, And the population in large numbers said, we're not shutting down.
	We're not going to do it.
	It wouldn't have happened.
	It happened because of acquiescence and because of perceptual manipulation.
	Yeah, there was a lot of fear around it.
	And yeah, here in the States, a lot of people are just really afraid.
	And you're right, man, the molding of perception in the mind.
	Yeah. It's very powerful and can control what people do.
	Let's just look very quickly at just how powerful that is.
	We have a situation where people are so frightened of COVID-19, which I say doesn't exist.
	They've never proved it to exist. Absolutely never proved it to exist.
	People have become so frightened of that They're frightened to go to hospital to get treatment or diagnosis for heart problems, cancer, etc.
	We had a cancer specialist in Britain, say, a couple of weeks ago.
	The life expectancy of lots of people is going to be very much shorter than it would have been as a result of this lockdown.
	Because this was his line, which kind of captures the power of this programming.
	He said, people are more frightened of COVID-19 than cancer.
	And that's the power of the programming that we've been watching.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	So a little background, David.
	You first came into my radar when I was a young boy.
	I was about 12 or 13, and my father had your books on his nightstand.
	So you're always wondering, what's my old man reading?
	So he had The Truth Will Set You Free.
	On his nightstand. As a 12-year-old boy, it was hard to understand a lot of what I was reading.
	Obviously, you want to know what your father's interested in.
	Flash forward to 2016.
	Unfortunately, our father was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer.
	He was given five months to live.
	I hadn't thought about your work or your stuff for a while, but I happened upon Phantom Self in a bookstore.
	I bought Phantom Self and I want to tell you that book brought me a lot of comfort having it in the hospital and reading it while my father was dying.
	I would like to get your take on what is death?
	Is it just a continuation of our consciousness and what your thoughts are on it overall?
	Death is simply a transfer of attention.
	That's all it is.
	If you Again, you know, in the end, whatever subject we talk about, if we talk about it for long enough, lots of other things will connect to it because everything connects to everything else.
	So I was talking earlier about labels.
	If you self-identify with labels, this is who I am, this is my I... Then you are self-identifying with a body that has a limited period because there's a cycle that goes through.
	We can control that cycle far more than we believe we can, but it's a cycle.
	And I'm glad there's a cycle because I don't want to stay here forever.
	Thank you. I've got forever to explore.
	Thank you very much.
	I want to stay here forever, long enough to make a difference, but not forever.
	So if you self-identify then with labels, then death can take on a certain perspective, which is the end.
	And you can, do I go with a religious or do I go with a science that says that, you know, life's a bitch and then you die and all that stuff and it's all over.
	But when you self-identify with being the consciousness that's having the experience, And the consciousness that's observing the experience, then death takes on a very different light.
	So when we have all these now millions of people, in fact, beyond millions, because this whole phenomenon of so-called near-death experiences is described in ancient texts and Greek texts and Roman texts.
	Where the body dies and then is brought back to life.
	And in the intervening period, people have experiences of reality beyond the body.
	And what the body is, is a holographic focus of attention.
	So if I said to people, When you look out of your eyes, can you see everything in the space you're looking at?
	Most people would say, yeah, of course you can.
	Well, you can't. What we call the human world, the visual human world, is a tiny, tiny, laughably tiny band of frequency called visible light.
	Which, you know, depending which scientists you talk to, is as small as, if you take the electromagnetic spectrum, which includes the smear of visible light, is as small as 0.005% of what exists in the universe.
	Some say it's a bit more, but not much.
	It's tiny. So you've got this 0.005%, the electromagnetic spectrum, and visible light is a smear of that, and that's all we can see.
	And so what this body does is it's a focus of attention.
	It can only pick up and through the brain process in terms of five sense reality, the so-called physical reality that we say we're experiencing, within that tiny band of frequency.
	That's all it can do.
	So your attention is focused on On this tiny smear of frequency.
	When the body dies and the consciousness is released, and I've got a book that I've just finished where I'm explaining this process and how it works.
	It's to do with wave entanglement.
	Wave entanglement, you know, the wave nature of mind and the wave nature of ultimately a body.
	They entangle with each other.
	We call that a human life.
	And then when the body dies, they disentangle and we call that death.
	So we've got this focus of attention.
	And so when the body releases the experiencing consciousness, the consciousness is no longer subject to that incredible focus of attention we call the human world.
	And suddenly, it's seeing the world beyond that focus.
	And this is why, over and over again, near-death experiences have Describe that when they leave the body, their consciousness absolutely expands, and they can experience and perceive what they call past, present, and future in the same moment.
	Because this is the Stone Age that we're in.
	It's an experience, yeah, okay, but it's the Stone Age compared with reality beyond it.
	And so death is literally a transfer of attention from the focus To the expanded consciousness once you're released from the body.
	That's all it is.
	And it's such a transitory experience, human life.
	I mean, I'm 68 and it's flown past.
	So, you know, if we Self-identify the I with the labels instead of seeing them as the experience the true I is having.
	We have a certain view of life and we have a certain view of death.
	But when we self-identify with the consciousness that's having those experiences, that perception of life and death is very, very different.
	And you lose the fear of death.
	And once you lose the fear of death, you lose the fear of almost everything.
	It impacts how you live.
	Yeah, just very quickly, I don't want to hog things, but what is this pandemic?
	What is the whole foundation of this pandemic?
	Fear. Fear of death.
	That's what it is.
	Fear of death. And when you don't have that, you don't allow yourself to be controlled by being manipulated to fear.
	Yeah, absolutely. And that's how our old man lived his life.
	He was a renegade.
	He did his own thing.
	He didn't have that fear. He didn't care what other people thought about him.
	But when he expressed his views, he always thought other people should be able to express their views.
	So I think in a lot of ways, one of the reasons we're having this conversation with you today is...
	It's still, you know, very much from the experience we have with our dad for 30 years.
	Well, what you describe, what your dad said there, is just the most...
	It's just the foundation of any society that claims itself to be free.
	Yeah. That everybody has the right to their opinion.
	That's right. It doesn't mean you have to believe it.
	It means they have the right to have it.
	And I'll tell you a thing that's going on.
	And it relates to this whole woke mentality.
	What this woke mentality has been manipulated to believe, because it's incredibly narcissistic, it's been manipulated to be like that.
	It has this mentality that I call, I am right.
	I am right. I am right about this.
	I am right about that.
	And the thought process goes on to say, I am right.
	And because I am right, anyone who has a different opinion to me is wrong.
	And if they're wrong, then what's it matter if they don't have freedom of speech?
	Because they're wrong. And first of all, the right to be wrong is fundamental to human freedom, because once you don't have the right to be wrong, and that's very subjective, overwhelmingly anyway, then someone in authority is deciding what's right and wrong, and then you're into tyranny.
	So if we had a society, which your dad described, Where everyone had the right to an opinion and the right to be heard.
	Not to be, you know, believed, but the right to be heard.
	Then we would live in a world dramatically different to the one we have now.
	If we had the free flow of information over this pandemic, then a lot more people, I mean, a lot of people have sussed it.
	It's woken a lot of people up to the fact the world's not like they thought it was.
	But there's still a very large, vast number of people who are still buying the official story, not least because that's all they've ever heard.
	And if we had the free flow of information, then that wouldn't be like that on the same scale.
	People will have heard other possibilities that would actually make more sense of experienced events.
	And it's this Deletion of what your dad talked about, the free flow of opinion, that is fundamental to controlling perception by controlling information, and that's why we have this hysteria of censorship.
	You know, this censorship is not an expression of the power of this cult.
	It's an expression of its weakness.
	Why are they trying to un-person me, delete me from everything, One bloke on the Isle of Wight in a little flat turning out information.
	They control the mainstream media.
	They control Silicon Valley.
	They control governments. They control the financial system.
	They control corporations.
	And they want to silence me.
	Why? Because...
	The power is with the truth.
	It has a frequency.
	It has a power that mendacity doesn't have.
	And so they need to silence it.
	And that's a sign of their weakness, not their strength.
	If they were truly strong and truly powerful, it wouldn't matter about people like me.
	Yeah, and then that leads to self-censorship.
	I feel like there are so many people, it touches on what you're saying, there's so many people who really feel like deep down something's wrong here, but if I express that opinion or that view, I'm going to get shamed, I'm going to get shut down, my friends and family are not going to want to associate with me, so it's the self-censorship I think that's killer as well.
	You're absolutely right.
	That's the most insidious of all censorship, because there's no debate.
	You just don't say it.
	And, you know, people need to, I would suggest, ask themselves where this road leads.
	I mean, they don't really have to ask themselves now because we're so far along it, where it's leading.
	So your family dismiss you, so your family have a go at you.
	So your friends do.
	Are they friends if they do challenge and ridicule and dismiss you just for the fact you have a different opinion?
	I don't think that's friends to me.
	Right. I mean, what is the most important?
	What your friends think of you, or what I say they're your friends, or what your family think of you, or The world going into a tyranny that would make Orwell wince and taking your friends and your family with it that they can't see it.
	And staggeringly now they can't see it, but a lot of people still can't.
	What is the most important?
	Look your kids and your grandkids in the eye.
	And tell them that you have to stay silent and sit on your hands.
	Do as you're told. Because, well, what will my mum and dad say?
	What will the people at work say, if you have any work?
	What's most important?
	Because if you think it's bad now, if we go on as we are, what's it going to be like for our kids and grandkids?
	A nightmare beyond imagination.
	So, you know, I've been standing up to this and challenging this for 30 years, and I'm still here.
	And I'm still going.
	And, you know, you've got to decide What's most important to you?
	What people think of you?
	Or where the world's going for your kids and grandkids?
	And for you, because this is happening now.
	This is not sometime never over the rainbow.
	And, you know, every day that we sit on our hands, This is going on, getting deeper and deeper into fascism, because that's what we're living under now.
	It's a fascistic society.
	And it's been allowed to happen because people have...
	Got on with their lives without looking around and seeing what's happening, but also because those who have, have been through this same process of, well, what will people think of me if I challenge it?
	They'll say I'm a conspiracy nut.
	Okay, and? Your point is?
	Right? Right, yeah.
	What's it matter what people think of you?
	They'll think something else tomorrow.
	I'm stopped in the street now by people that want to...
	Talk about my work.
	Who were the people that were laughing and ridiculing me decades ago?
	Right, like when you were on Terry Wogan there.
	And it also speaks to just the treatment that you get from the mainstream press whenever you go on there and you've got some knucklehead sneering at you and you're like, have you read my book, mate?
	And they're like, well, no. So of course they haven't read your book.
	They're hatchet men serving a job.
	But that's becoming, I think, so transparent.
	And so it's desperate.
	It's really desperate. Yeah, what they're doing now...
	You've got Rose Ike 4 coming up.
	I mean, the last one you did was perhaps one of the largest, if not the largest, live stream event in human history.
	Yeah, so they tell me.
	And, you know...
	What they're doing now in their desperation is they're putting out all these mainstream stories that I'm making millions of pounds a year and I'm a multi-multi-millionaire.
	And I say to them, so why have I lived in a one-bedroom flat for 20 years?
	Why will I live out my days here almost certainly?
	Why do I work seven days a week, literally seven days a week, year after year after year?
	When am I going to spend my money?
	Where's your invite to the Rothschild mansion?
	Where's your invite to the party?
	Well, this is the whole point that ultimately the owners of the people who are doing this that bravely call themselves journalists in their self-delusion are billionaires.
	But, you know, if you're going to Get your source of income from the mainstream media, then you are going to be a propaganda source for the 1%, because that's how it works.
	And if you choose not to be, then you're not going to be in the mainstream media.
	So these people basically are just propaganda operatives masquerading as being journalists.
	But I've had 30 years of it.
	I've been ridiculed. I've been abused.
	I've been laughed at in the street.
	I've had whole bars and university halls laughing at me.
	I've had it all. It goes in one ear and out the other now.
	You can't hurt me that way.
	So they can throw what they like.
	And the thing is not to defend yourself and stop and say, oh, you can't say that about me.
	Boom, boom, boom.
	Just keep going. And let them worry about you because I'm certainly not going to worry about them because they're nothing to worry about.
	Right, exactly. Yeah, exactly.
	I saw you, David, in 2016 in New York City in September of 2016.
	I went to your talk there.
	It was hot, wasn't it?
	Yeah, it was hot, man.
	I've never been so hot in my life as I was in that talk in New York.
	Yeah, no, that was epic, man.
	And that was an interesting weekend for me because I also interviewed Jesse Ventura the day before I went and saw you.
	Right. And, you know, I remember you guys had a pretty pretentious or not pretentious, contentious meeting on this conspiracy theory show.
	He wasn't that nice to you, was he?
	No, it was very strange.
	It was very strange. You know, The alternative media, as it's called, is not a thing.
	It's not an entity.
	It's a vast spectrum of people and perception.
	And at one end of the alternative media, it's almost imperceptibly Different from the mainstream.
	It is basically the mainstream of light.
	And then it goes across right to the other side where people like me are questioning everything.
	Nature of reality, all of it.
	And so the alternative media is not a thing.
	It's a massive, vast spectrum of perception.
	And I'm on one end of it and Jesse Ventura is on the other end of it.
	And he is just...
	You know, barely different from the mainstream.
	And what he did was what a mainstream would do.
	He never looked at the background.
	He never looked at the detail of what I'm saying.
	He never read any books.
	And he came in with a preconceived idea that big Navy SEAL. It was an ambush.
	It was an absolute ambush.
	And I knew it was coming. I'm off the grid, David.
	I was your governor, David.
	I know what I'm talking about.
	I was a governor. Well, that's all right then.
	Governors who are locking down people all over America, yeah, they know what they're talking about.
	But what happened in the run-up to that is I was ever so ill.
	I'd done a big tour of Australia and I came into Cleveland to do a talk and that's where I met him.
	And at that time, the whole Security at airports was increased.
	And Jesse Ventura said that he would never fly again because of the security.
	I bet he has. So he comes on a train to Cleveland.
	And I've been ill ever since I got to Cleveland.
	I've been in bed and really struggling.
	And I had a 9-10 hour talk in Cleveland the very morning that he talked to me.
	So I'm sitting in the dressing room beforehand, feeling rather ill, with a 9-10 hour talk to come.
	But I thought, you know, Jesse Benchory does this conspiracy theory program.
	Yeah, we'll have a chat.
	And it was interesting.
	You know it's an ambush.
	Because the producer said to me, you know, we're going to do this, we're going to do that.
	I said, okay, so where's Jesse then?
	Can I have a chat with Jesse?
	Oh, no, no, no. Jesse doesn't want to talk before we're rolling.
	So I knew then it was, I mean, I have been in this business a long time.
	I knew then it was an ambush.
	It's like a wrestling match.
	Yeah, and he strolls in once they go, camera rolling.
	He strolls in like something out of Shrek and sits down and starts.
	And I'm looking at my friend, Neil Hager, who's an artist who does art for my books, and I'm saying, you know, Have I just entered a parallel universe?
	This guy was from a conspiracy theory program.
	And it was bizarre.
	And the actual program was absolutely disgraceful.
	Apparently, I think it was two million a year I was earning then, according to Jesse Ventura.
	And I looked at his house at the time, just out of interest.
	And it was a massive freaking mansion in his own grounds.
	And I'm in a one bedroom flat.
	I mean, it's it's a joke, really.
	So, you know, I am a maverick and I'm a maverick even within the Alternative media, because much of that has ridiculed me as well.
	Less so now, mind.
	Yeah, yeah. Jesse, he was abrasive to you.
	I mean, I had a good interview with him, but I was the one doing the interview, and we chatted before we did our interview.
	We don't do that kind of stuff.
	But props to you for going on with him and going on the mat with the body.
	Yeah. So we binge-watched the Epstein documentary on Netflix.
	Are you planning on watching that?
	Do you think there's any hope that they're going to get Ghislaine Maxwell and any of his Confederates that were involved with him?
	Well, the way it works is the cult defends its own.
	Until it's so detrimental for the cult to go on doing that, that it hangs them out to dry.
	This is happening all the time.
	So, for instance, when Epstein was first caught, arrested, For what he was doing with young girls, the cult defended him and did a deal to get him a ridiculously almost irrelevant sentence so that he could continue to do what he was doing.
	And I'll come to what he was doing in a sec.
	But then when these very brave and tenacious women And I, you know, had a long chat with one of them.
	Lovely, lovely lady, very grounded and very intelligent.
	They wouldn't give up.
	And so he was arrested again.
	And this time, because the original extraordinarily lenient deal sentence was exposed, they couldn't go down that road again.
	So this was a different level for the cult.
	Now there was a possibility that through Epstein A massive web could be uncovered because he was friends with Gates, he was friends with the Clintons, obviously, and a load of other people, Prince Andrew.
	And so they made sure he would never appear in court.
	And in the same way...
	Ghislaine Maxwell, who is the daughter of a Mossad agent, Bob Maxwell, who I actually met once when he was owner of the Daily Mirror, a big tabloid newspaper in Britain.
	And he was a Mossad agent.
	This was revealed by a Mossad agent who wrote books about what he knew in his time as working with Mossad.
	And he was eventually, Bob Maxwell, was murdered by Mossad because he was also reaching that point, his business empire was collapsing and what have you, where he could be a problem.
	Um, and could be a vehicle for a lot coming out.
	So they did for him.
	And then they, they bury him in a, in a, in a, a, a funeral on the Mount of Olives with, you know, full, um, Yeah, exactly.
	He was a lovely man, Bob Maxwell.
	We had to kill him in the end, though. We had to kill him in the end, because he was going to be trouble.
	But he was a lovely man, you know.
	So, you see, she also knows where the bodies are buried.
	Actually, some of them, literally, I'm sure.
	Oh, yeah. And so...
	The same with her.
	While they can protect her, they'll protect her.
	But if she becomes a liability and a possibility as a gateway into deeper levels of this cult, then they'll...
	They'll hang her out to dry as well.
	Because what Epstein was doing was running on behalf of Mossad, and Mossad connects into the CIA anyway, a blackmail operation for the rich and famous.
	And this is happening all the time.
	There's a few of you, and you want to control the many.
	So what you have to do is compromise people, not absolutely in your circle, but who you need to promote your agenda.
	And so they compromise them.
	And the biggest way they compromise them is having sex with underage children.
	And that is why, or one reason, there are others, why there's such a vast child Abuse network, which in the end goes into the security services and goes into Satanism and goes into the military.
	And they compromise people.
	And so it's like, okay, well, you can push this legislation.
	You can introduce this legislation that we want and you'll be fine.
	Or you can refuse to.
	In which case, we have some videos.
	This is what happens.
	All the time. It happens in Britain.
	And so one of the things you see, if you ever see this, you see it a lot, where someone goes in to politics with a certain attitude or a certain policy direction they want to go, and suddenly they change. What's he doing that for?
	Often it's because they've been compromised.
	And so rather than do what they would like to do, they do what they're told to do.
	And it seems on the surface that this man's suddenly done a U-turn.
	But what's behind it is compromise, being compromised.
	Yeah, absolutely. And I try to, in lame terms, just tell people Epstein was a cutout for Les Wexner in the mega group, essentially.
	Yeah. That's where his money came from.
	He wasn't a brilliant manager of hedge funds.
	He was a grifter and a liar and a cheat and a con artist.
	And Wexner set him up with the mansions.
	He set him up with the Zorro Ranch.
	He set up all the wiring equipment and all the filming apparatus and all the mansions.
	So, you know, that's pretty much bottom line what he was and that's where the funding came from.
	Well, this is what you see a lot of.
	You see the front people who appear to be At the head of some vast enterprise, I'm going to come to someone in a minute, who appear to be, or to do what they appear to be doing, would need to be extremely sharp, extremely bright, extremely intelligent.
	But often you look at them and you think, how did you build this?
	Well, the answer is they didn't.
	It's built by the cult and they become a front for it.
	And I would include Bill Gates in that.
	Bill Gates has apparently built this software empire.
	I mean, let me give you a wonderful example.
	One of the best I can give you.
	Mark Zuckerberg. Look at him.
	He's a child. He's permanently looking into the headlights of an oncoming train.
	You see his performances on Capitol Hill.
	That is not a man who's built Facebook.
	He's the front man for Facebook.
	He's the t-shirt. Oh, I'm just one of you.
	Hey, man. He's the sweater.
	Yeah, he's the sweatshirt. And so you see these people and you look at Gates.
	Gates has not built all that.
	It's been built for him.
	Yes, he's played his part, but it's been built for him.
	And this is how it works.
	If you're fronting for the cult, and Epstein, again, will see that same process that I'm going to describe.
	When you front up for the cults, You become incredibly rich for doing that.
	You benefit from whatever you're fronting up.
	You have the mansions.
	You have the vast wealth.
	But that comes with a rider.
	And, you know, you'll get rich.
	And that but is that you have to spend vast amounts of that money.
	on advancing our agenda in various ways.
	So you have For instance, George Soros.
	George Soros fronts up for the cult, and as a result of that, becomes immensely rich.
	Because if you know when the stock market's going up and when it's going down, you know when the economy's going to go up and when it's going to go down, you don't have to be a brilliant financier to make enormous amounts of money, because you buy when it's at its...
	You sell at its lowest point and you sell at its highest point.
	And if those that own you are telling you where those points are, then making a vast amount of money is no trouble whatsoever and certainly doesn't take enormous amounts of intelligence.
	Working it out, if you're not connected to the cult and you don't know, you're not being told when it's going up and down, well, that does take intelligence, yeah, but not if you're a cult operative.
	And so George Soros makes all this money, but his but is, and almost all of these people are given particular specializations, right?
	And the Soros specialisation is vast amounts of the money you've made have to be spent on hijacking, transforming the left in politics, which has gone from the genuine left to woke, which is tyranny, not left or right, but an absolute tyranny.
	And In any definition, woke would be considered actually far right if you look at what it wants or communistic, fascistic, whatever.
	And so the last time I looked, Soros had put $32 billion into his Open Society foundations, which are funding organizations that are deleting me and pressing for me to be deleted.
	George Soros loves me.
	And which I take as a compliment, really.
	And you have the funding through the Open Society Foundations of people's revolutions, like the whole Arab Spring, where you manipulate people to overthrow regimes that you want overthrown in this series of regime changes in the Middle East.
	And what he's done, he's funded all the woke areas.
	He obviously is fundamental to the Democratic Party, which is now the woke party.
	And he's funding transgender operatives and activists and climate change activists, all the woke panorama.
	And that's his. And with Gates, because Microsoft has made him so much money, he has a number of specializations, but the key one is vaccines and control of the global health policy.
	And this is how it works.
	And I look at Gates and I look at his eyes and I don't see life there.
	I see deadness.
	I don't see his eyes ever smile.
	I see his mouth smile or struggle to occasionally, and it is occasionally, but his eyes never smile.
	And I find him, and this is not with hindsight of what's going on now.
	I'm talking decades ago.
	I looked at Gates and I thought, You don't strike me as the brightest person who's ever walked the earth.
	And he's obviously, you know, he's got a personality bypass.
	He's got no charisma.
	The only charisma he gets is from his wealth, but not from him.
	And it's all part of this This process of putting front people forward who would have to be brilliant to do what they appear to be doing, but actually turn out not to be.
	Right. They're just the front for the organization, basically.
	We talk about Gates and the vaccine and control of the World Health Organization, but he's only a gopher.
	He's a very rich gopher. He's still only a gopher.
	He's got all the attention on him, though.
	We're talking about it. You know what I mean, right?
	He has all the attention on him, especially on social media.
	Yeah. They want people to either view them as a pariah or a savior.
	It's more than that. Yeah, I mean, I expose Gates because if you expose Gates, you're exposing the vaccine because the Gates and the vaccine are now, you know, absolutely connected in the public mind.
	They should be as well because on one major level, he and the vaccine are the same thing.
	You know, one is there to introduce the other.
	But Gates is still a gopher.
	You know, the real power's in the shadows.
	And Gates is as terrified of that power in the shadows as other people are terrified of him.
	Now, when you're talking about the cult, are you talking about the Sabatinian Frankist cult?
	Do you want to kind of delve into a little bit of who they are?
	Is that what you're referencing? Well, the web is multi-leveled.
	The global web of manipulation is multi-leveled and has many different strands.
	And it pulls together a vast network of secret societies, semi-secret groups and organizations that we see in the public arena.
	What I've been highlighting, my last book, The Trigger, which was a massive expose of 9-11 and far more than 9-11, but 9-11 was the backbone theme.
	I was exposing a part of this network, which is a crucial part and a very, very upfront part called Sabbatean Frankism.
	And this can be traced back, although it would have continued further back under different names and in different forms.
	But from the 17th century, it became known as Sabbateanism, first of all.
	And this was named after a guy called Sabbatai Zevi, who claimed to be the Jewish Messiah.
	And they were operating or he was operating in the Muslim Ottoman Empire and was given the choice of being seriously sorted out, shall we say, or Converting to Islam.
	So he and many of his followers, he had a massive, massive following in terms of numbers ratio to the population of the time.
	And there was a mass conversion of him and many of his followers to Islam, but it was only on the surface.
	They continue to operate their Sabbatean cult behind the scenes.
	And I emphasize Sabbatean, which for reasons I'll come to shortly became Sabbatean Frankism, that it's a cult.
	And so it's nothing to do with the rank-and-file Jewish population.
	But what they do is tag exposure of that cult, which actually hates Jewish people, by the way, has contempt for them.
	With saying all Jewish people are involved in what they're doing, which is the last thing I'm saying.
	They're not. That's why I say in The Trigger a number of times, no one needs to know about this cult, the Sabbatean Frankist cult, more than Jewish people because it's shafting them.
	And by the way, the sources for this are overwhelmingly Jewish sources, Jewish rabbis, Jewish writers, Jewish researchers, who've realized that this cult, this Sabbatean Frankist cult, has hijacked the Jewish community and runs Israel.
	It runs Mossad. It runs the Israeli Defense Forces.
	So this is the level, and to what people like Epstein and And Maxwell are answering and are serving.
	Not the Israeli rank and file.
	It's this cult that runs Israel that it's answering to.
	So what the Sabbateans did and specialized in was infiltration.
	It was posing as...
	Members of another religion or another community or another, you know, whatever group.
	And taking that group over in terms of control while appearing outwardly to be advocates of that group, but actually they're serving the cult.
	And in the next century, the 18th century, along came a guy called Jacob Frank.
	Who has been described by some Jewish historians as one of the most evil people in Jewish history.
	But again, and he was very, very close to the Rothschilds.
	In fact, the Bavarian Illuminati that was created in 1776 officially and fronted up by a guy called Adam Weishaupt.
	It was created by Meyer Amstel Rothschild, the founder of the Rothschild dynasty, and Jacob Frank.
	The Rothschilds are Sabbatean Frankists.
	They pose as Jewish, but they're Sabbatean Frankists.
	And that's what, of course, the Frankist bit comes from Jacob Frank.
	So Jacob Frank then took this into new depths of evil, when evil for me is just the absence of love.
	And started infiltrating many and various areas of human society, not least the Roman Church.
	It took over the Vatican and they fronted up as, you know, pious people.
	Roman Church leaders when actually they were Sabbateen Frankists.
	And so it went on and eventually they were the force through the Rothschilds that created Israel.
	And I have a chapter in the trigger called Atlantic Crossing where I show how the Sabbateen Frankists moved in on America and have continued to expand that through a vast web Of what appears to be Zionist and ultra-Zionist organizations in America.
	And they are destroying freedom of speech in terms of criticism of Israel, which actually, if you go below the surface, is criticism of Sabbatean Frankism because Sabbatean Frankism runs Israel.
	And the vast majority of the Israeli population don't know that.
	That's why I'm trying to get it across.
	Some people do.
	I mean, I get interviewed by Alternative programs in Israel about this very thing because they've realized it's happening.
	And so you have a situation now where criticism of Israel on American campuses is being shut down.
	And it's being shut down.
	It's been shut down by the Sabbateen Frankists because it's not criticism of Israel they're really concerned about.
	It's the possibility that this whole web We'll be uncovered.
	And talking of Webb, someone who does a lot of great work on this is called Whitney Webb.
	Her stuff is very well worth reading.
	Yeah, Whitney Webb, we're big fans of hers.
	She wrote for Mint Press News for a while and now she's out with Last American Vagabond.
	And a lot of what I know about the Megagroup and Epstein is research that Ryan Dawson has done.
	Are you familiar with Ryan Dawson?
	Yeah, I think so. Yeah, Ryan Dawson, you know, Adam Green.
	I know you've been on Adam Green's show.
	Yeah, he does a lot of great work.
	Yeah, Adam's a buddy of mine.
	He's out in California. So, yeah, so basically your conclusion with your book, The Trigger, and your research into 9-11, it's really a section of this cult here in America that your PNAC neocon click that was responsible for September 11th and covering it up.
	Well, I mean, the point is this.
	The Jewish population of the world is 0.2%.
	Now, that will shock a lot of people who don't know that because the coverage, you would think it would be much greater than that.
	It's actually 0.2%.
	The Jewish population of America is 2%.
	Then you take out of that all those people in the Jewish community, the great, great majority, who have no idea this cult exists or what's being done in their name.
	And that leaves a very, very, very few people To end up in extraordinary numbers of positions of power.
	The Google operation is owned by Sergey Brin and Larry Page, both Zionists.
	The Google YouTube is run by Susan Wojcicki, Zionist.
	Facebook is fronted up by Mark Zuckerberg, Zionist, and the chief operating officer, Sheryl Sandberg, Zionist.
	You saw the story with Twitter this week.
	Whereby there's this row over fact-checking a Trump tweet about mail-in voting and the head of site integrity was another Zionist.
	So then you look in all these other areas and you look around Trump in that administration and you look at The people that were controlling the White House and controlling the Pentagon In the run-up through and after 9-11, and they were invariably ultra-Zionists.
	You look at the people directly involved in 9-11 in the various areas, not least Larry Silverstein, who owned the World Trade Center.
	They are ultra-Zionists.
	He's a friend of Netanyahu.
	He used to speak on the phone every Sunday.
	You then look at the people who ran the investigation into what happened.
	People like Michael Shertoff, ultra, ultra Zionist, who was head of the criminal division of the Justice Department.
	And basically oversaw the whole lack of investigation.
	And what I do in the trigger is simply look at all these different positions.
	Who ran the security at the World Trade Center?
	Who controlled the computer systems of the White House, the Pentagon, the NORAD, It's an organization that's supposed to react to hijackings.
	And you put it all together, and it's patently obvious that 19 Arab hijackers who couldn't fly one-engine Cessnas very well, no way did what they were supposed to do.
	It was the Sabbateen Frankist cult operation.
	That's where it came from.
	And, you know, as I mentioned, there's a chapter in the book called The Atlantic Crossing, where I talk about how this Sabatian Franky's cult moved in on America.
	Well, it did. And it's the core of the CIA. It's the core of the National Security Agency.
	It's the core of the FBI. It's the core of what has become known now as the deep state in America.
	And if you look at Trump, Trump is owned by Israel.
	And if he's owned by Israel, he's owned by the Sabbatean Frankis cult.
	This is why ever since Trump came to power, he's given Israel everything it wanted.
	The only thing he's not given them yet is a full out war with Iran.
	Because it would be suicide to his chances of winning the next election if he did that, having said that he was going to oppose all that when he got elected the first time.
	Now, who becomes the next president?
	Well, Trump gets a second term.
	Well, if it's a second term, second term presidents are very dangerous because they haven't got another election to win.
	They don't have to keep people sweet anymore.
	And if you look at the alternative currently, which is Joe Biden in the Democrats, he's obviously got serious cognitive problems.
	And he is going to be absolutely, perhaps in all American history, if he became president, the most obvious empty shell where the people around him are calling all the shots.
	And if Biden gets in, Then all the agendas of woke will be like a tidal wave coming in through him.
	And the reason that woke Can't express itself in the same way through Trump is that Trump's constituency that he has to keep sweet to support him is very anti-woke.
	So, you know, if you want full blown woke, then it's whatever follows Trump is where that will come from.
	I think it's funny how the Washington Post did a piece on Stacey Abrams like she was the second messiah, and the media is just totally doting over, but not a single media report mentions that she was at the Bilderberg group meeting last year.
	With the likes of Jared Kushner and Kissinger and Pompeo.
	Well, the thing is, all you've got to do is look at who owns the Washington Post, Jeff Bezos.
	Who's made billions off this pandemic, by the way.
	Absolutely. I've been saying for years that the plan is to destroy small business and even medium-sized business.
	And even some big business that's not cult-created.
	In fact, all big business that's not cult-connected, rather.
	And I've been saying that the classic cult operation that they want to dominate different areas of society in terms of corporations and commerce is Amazon.
	And what's happened in this lockdown pandemic catastrophe for vast numbers of people is that the market share of Amazon has gone through the roof.
	And well, how many businesses that were Competition in some form for Amazon will never reopen.
	Yeah, it's sad. It's really sad, man.
	It all fits. It's a gutting. This pandemic hoax has given them everything.
	In fact, it's a funny thing. I think I mentioned earlier, I've just finished a book.
	It's called The Answer, which is going to print next week, actually.
	And 85% of the book was written Before the pandemic kicked in, in any way that was, you know, extreme.
	And what I've done towards the end of the book is two chapters, lengthy, very detailed chapters in which I take the pandemic apart.
	I mean, just take it apart and show there is no virus.
	It's not even, you know, they've created a virus.
	No, there is no virus. And it's an extraordinary story.
	And if there's no virus, you can control it because you're controlling it by a fake test because this PCR test is fake.
	It's not testing for COVID-19.
	I mean, it's almost unbelievable.
	Talk about the bigger the lie, the more they'll believe it.
	So people are testing positive for COVID-19 with a test that's not testing for COVID-19.
	So that's where the cases come from.
	And the deaths are coming from death certificate fraud, whereby they're redesignating everything that moves COVID-19.
	On my website today, there's a A video where someone's pulled together these different social media posts over these weeks from families and doctors and medical people and loved ones who are telling their story, their personal story of how They've seen people die of something.
	And then COVID-19, which was nothing to do with their death, goes on the death certificate.
	And there's a UK doctor who's just come out and talked about this, who, you know, working in the National Health Service here, as it's called.
	And he came out with a stunning line where he said, I do know that other doctors have been putting COVID-19 on the death certificate for anyone who's died From early March onwards.
	So this is where the figures are coming from.
	And when you've not got...
	You see, if you had a real virus, you've lost control of it.
	You don't know where it's going to go and what it's going to affect.
	But if you have the perception of one and you're actually creating the illusion through a fake test and manipulating death certificates and what have you, then you can control when the figures go up and you control when they're down.
	And you control when there's a second wave because that's coming.
	I mean, they're going to have a field day this winter with this.
	Absolutely. So it's something that people obviously find difficult to grasp often because the scale of the lie is so massive.
	People say, oh yeah, they lie, but they wouldn't lie that much.
	But they do. And it's the lying that much that they get people to believe that they wouldn't lie.
	They wouldn't tell whoppers like that.
	Well, they would. I'm sure you know people too, David, who've fallen ill since this thing.
	I know a few people personally, even two in our family, but none of them were actually tested.
	I don't know.
	Personally, I don't know.
	It's hard to wrap my head around, man.
	That's why I appreciate your perspective on this.
	Let me give you some figures.
	These are official figures from Italy.
	99% of people who had COVID-19 on the death certificates in Italy, 99% had one, two, three, four or more other what they call morbidities.
	They were dying of other things.
	And, you know, I quote an American medical scientist I read his background explanation of this a long time ago.
	Weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks ago.
	And he's been proved absolutely right.
	First of all, he said, we're not testing for COVID-19.
	There isn't a test for COVID-19.
	That's been shown to be true.
	And he said, you know, we have in our bodies Coronaviruses and other genetic material that will test positive for this test.
	And he said, if you wanted and he believed that this is what was happening and he's been proved right.
	If you wanted a fake pandemic for a fake virus, you would pick a coronavirus for the pandemic because there is a very large family of coronaviruses and many, many, many people have them in their bodies, but in a state where they're no trouble and the immune system is keeping it Under control.
	But he said in this PCR test, by the way, the person who developed the PCR test, a guy called Kerry Mullis in the 1980s, said this test should not be used to diagnose infectious disease, which is exactly what they're doing with it.
	This medical scientist said that they will test positive.
	And he said what you do then is you take People who have the symptoms you say are the symptoms of your virus, which is what?
	Flu-like symptoms, pneumonia, respiratory problems.
	These are so unbelievably common during the winter months, and they have a great range of causes.
	But what's been happening is you have a cough, Or you have difficulty breathing or you have any respiratory problem and you're immediately COVID-19 by definition.
	And there was a graph I saw at one point in this whole farce where the numbers of people dying of other causes compared with other years was going down and the number of COVID deaths was going up at the same rate.
	And that's what they're doing.
	They're redesignating The causes of death to COVID-19.
	And not only are they telling doctors they have to do that, this has now come out in many parts of the world through doctors and medical professionals who are talking about this, like this one in Britain was talking about it in the last few days.
	But in America, through Medicare, they're paying hospitals $4,600 if they diagnose regular pneumonia.
	They're paying them $13,000 if they diagnose COVID-19 pneumonia and they're paying them $39,000 if they put a COVID-19 pneumonia patient on a ventilator.
	Now, this has no sense whatsoever in medical protection or health.
	It's all manipulation.
	And because they're controlling it and giving the perception of it through figures and control of figures, they can control when it goes up and when it goes down and when it comes back.
	And who's compiling these figures?
	They're being compiled worldwide and being quoted by the media worldwide by the Johns Hopkins organization in America and six weeks before this Outbreak became public in China.
	They ran a simulation of a coronavirus pandemic, which involved the Johns Hopkins organization, which is very close to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which was also involved in this simulation.
	And the World Economic Forum, the The front for the 1% that were running this simulation, which six weeks later, it was another simulation, but this time it was presented as real.
	And so wherever you look, you look at Professor Neil Ferguson.
	From Imperial College in London, who came out with the computer models, absolute nonsense, that 500,000 people could die in Britain, and up to 2 million in America, and similar thing with other countries, and that was why we had the lockdown.
	People like Fauci and Birx in America have admitted that the...
	Ferguson computer models with these projections, not real, not reality projections, were the thing that stimulated the lockdown.
	And so Ferguson, you see, and Imperial College, where this came out of, are both massively financially connected and funded by Gates.
	So is Fauci.
	So is Birx.
	So is also Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer with the dark suits that are running the policy in Britain.
	The chief scientist advisor to Boris Johnson, the British Prime Minister, is a guy called Patrick Vallance.
	He was a longtime executive of GlaxoSmithKline, which is massively involved in this whole vaccine for the non-existent COVID-19.
	And GlaxoSmithKline has massive connections and interactions and business connections to Bill Gates.
	So it's a web.
	And the politicians are basically sidelined.
	What they say is we're listening to the science.
	We're being driven by the science.
	No, you're being driven by the Gates cult agenda through the scientists.
	And I would take Trump more seriously in terms of his pushback on this.
	People like Birx and Fauci had long disappeared into history and were no longer involved in it, but they still are.
	Yeah, it's crazy times.
	The virus is dominating everything.
	So I wanted to ask you to get your quick take.
	Maybe you've looked into this, maybe not.
	What's your take on the Beatles?
	Do you think they're just a Tavistock creation and an operation?
	I don't know.
	I think that... A lot of other people have specialized in this area.
	But the control of popular culture is very important to the cult because it leads generations into different directions that the cult wants.
	If you look back, and I speak as someone who grew up in the 60s.
	I went into my teenage years and And through my teenage years, basically, in the 1960s.
	And I love 60s music, and I love the whole, you know...
	We do too.
	Yeah, the whole summer of love and all that stuff.
	But it was all manipulated.
	Yeah. One of the reasons for it was to just knock out of the game a real feet on the ground opposition to the Vietnam War.
	And it's affected psychologically massive numbers of that generation.
	And I'm sure you've read the book About the fact that so many crucial people that drove the 60s music revolution came from intelligence and military families.
	Yeah, it's a very, very good book.
	I read it ages ago. And, you know, Jim Morrison and all these people.
	So when you look at the Beatles and you look at the impact they had...
	Obviously, there's something more to know, to say the bloody least.
	There's something to know about their manager, Epstein, another Epstein.
	So I've not looked into it in detail, but I'm very open to the fact that, you know, that phenomenon did not happen by accident.
	Absolutely not. I think like George and John kind of pushed back against that in the later years, especially John.
	I mean, he was being...
	Watched by the FBI. I mean, I think Lennon probably realized what was going on and he had enough of it.
	And, you know, he wanted to play at big anti-war rallies and he was a real threat.
	Yeah, he'd also sussed a lot of things.
	I mean, I don't think he'd suss the whole situation.
	That takes one heck of a lot of research.
	But he'd sussed a lot of things.
	When he had the quote about the world being run by insane people for insane ends, I mean, he pretty much described where we are.
	I know. These people...
	Maybe clever in the sense that they understand and work to understand human psychology.
	This is why they're very expert mass manipulators of human perception.
	But they're insane.
	They're utterly insane.
	They're mad. Yeah, exactly.
	I still think that's one of the great tragedies from the 60s music scene is the loss to John Lennon in 1980.
	I mean, we lost 40 years of...
	Yeah, I think we all felt it.
	I felt it. You know, I was working on it with the BBC at the time.
	It really hit me when he died.
	It was like, you know, a voice of sanity in terms of, you know, what was going on in the world.
	A voice of sanity has died.
	And it hit me greatly, as it did many people.
	Yeah, absolutely. So what's the feeling in England right now on Prince Andrew overall, would you say?
	Because there's this perception that the royal family is trying to Scold him or exile him in the wake of the whole Epstein deal.
	That feels like a farce.
	They're trying to make it look like they're pushing him aside.
	What's the feeling on Prince Andrew right now?
	Well, I'm going to talk about Margaret Thatcher just very briefly.
	The Iron Lady. Yeah, the Iron Lady.
	Because Margaret Thatcher had this philosophy That worked very well for her.
	Until the cult wanted rid of her in the end.
	Because she was resisting absorption into the European Union.
	And her philosophy was this.
	She used to call it toughing it out.
	And her philosophy was that no matter what trouble you were in.
	And how you were being criticised, etc.
	And people were trying to...
	Use a situation to remove you, whatever.
	If you tough it out, in other words, if you just don't give in, then something else will come along, probably shortly, but certainly eventually, that's going to take you off the front pages and the trouble you're in off the front pages, it's going to be something else.
	And this is one of the things about this pandemic is that it's so dominated the front pages.
	What the heck else has been going on that's not been reported?
	So this cult works on that tough it out philosophy.
	So at the moment, after the big furore about Prince Andrew when the Epstein story broke, Obviously, with this pandemic dominating everything, it's hardly mentioned.
	Prince Andrews aren't hardly mentioned.
	And what they've done is they've just pushed him aside.
	In the public arena, they've pushed him aside because he was in danger of, again, being a gateway to a much greater unraveling of the web or Exposure of the web.
	And because the cult has got any borders, then obviously both sides of the Atlantic will be working together to make it seem as if they are chasing him, but not chasing him enough.
	That it actually unravels to reveal the nature of what was actually happening.
	So the royal family are...
	Well, they've had an endless history of covering up scandal and having it covered up for them.
	And this is just another one.
	I think it will probably take another revelation to bring that back right into the public attention because this pandemic has taken attention from everything.
	Yeah, it definitely feels that way.
	And, you know, the royal family comes up in your work a lot over the years.
	Oh, yes. It seems like they've always been hanging out with pedophiles, man.
	Lord Mountbottom, Jimmy Savo.
	What's the deal?
	Yeah, well, this is something I've been pointing out for decades is the way the the
	royal family are into pedophilia massively and into Satanism.
	And you know, we had this guy, Jimmy Savile, who's a record breaking pedophile.
	He's kind of the British Epstein in many ways.
	And he was a bosom in a circle member of the royal family in a circle.
	He was also a close friend of Margaret Thatcher, whose cabinet during her time in government had many paedophiles.
	Well, not just the cabinet, the government event overall.
	Many people have been accused of pedophilia and people who have appeared in my books.
	So, I mean, this whole pedophile-Satanism thing, and they're connected at the inner core, those two things, is invariably what you find when you dig deep into the background of the rich and famous, because the cult is a death cult, that's what it is.
	And so you're going to find Satanism and you're going to find pedophilia.
	For reasons I explain in my book, they're not only intertwined, but they are connected in many and various ways.
	And so the point, I think, though, is coming where in this whole new order, That the royal family of Britain will probably start to erode.
	Because what we have is a queen who is in her 90s.
	We have Prince Philip who is in his 90s.
	These people live long lives, you'll notice.
	Look at Kissinger and David Rockefeller.
	Kissinger's had a birthday.
	He's 97. Yeah, there you go.
	Evil never dies. Yeah, but they don't get the same treatment we do.
	But then you look at the next generation that's going to follow those, because that's coming.
	You've got Prince Charles, who's extremely unpopular, and he's very much involved in this whole cult network.
	I mean, he's now coming out and saying we need a global reset.
	To transform human society and human economics, which is exactly what the cult wants.
	And he's coming out saying we need to do it to save the planet in this whole climate cult nonsense.
	Very much involved.
	He's going to be making a speech at Davos shortly, or at least with the World Economic Forum, about this great reset.
	And this reset is actually a code word of the cult, the reset of society.
	That's what was happening now.
	And so you've got him, and then you've got the next generation, which is Prince William, who's had a charisma bypass.
	And then you've got Meghan Markle and Prince Harry, they've gone.
	And so you look at the British royal family in the aftermath of the departure, which can't be too long, of the Queen and Prince Philip, and there's basically nothing left.
	And I do write in the answer about Whether the royal family will survive post-Queen for very long because I don't think it's meant to.
	They have expressions of the cult that play a part for a certain period and then you go into a next stage and they're no longer necessary so they go and something else takes over.
	I think the British royal family is not going to have a terribly long history going forward.
	Well, let's hope so. Sure hope so.
	You know, I think Morrissey would agree too, man.
	Morrissey's taking a lot of heat for his views on the Royal Family.
	What do you think about Morrissey?
	Well, you know, he comes out with his opinions.
	Some of them I agree with, some of them I don't.
	But he, you know, he's right on the royal family.
	I mean, you know, I've had this phrase I've used for pretty much most of the last 30 years.
	Take a deep breath, take a step back, look at it again.
	Because what happens is when things are familiar, familiarity is a great form of my control.
	And perception control, because things that are familiar never get questioned.
	They become gimmies, gimme perceptions.
	So the royal family's been part of Britain for so long, and it's a gimme.
	Oh, the British royal family.
	But just take a breath, take a step back, look at it again.
	We have a head of state, not just in this country, but Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Commonwealth countries, who is only head of state because of her bloodline.
	And the head of state is chosen by who had sex with who, in what order.
	So you get the order of succession.
	And it's nonsense.
	It's crazy. You know, head of state by bloodline.
	But what that is...
	Is an in-your-face expression of how this cult works, because it all works on bloodline.
	Because if we go deeper into this, the inner core of the cult and the major representatives of the cult worldwide are not human in the way that we perceive human.
	They are a different, shall we say, information field.
	They're a different software program.
	And this is why they interbreed.
	It was once royal families interbreeding openly.
	To what? To hold a certain genetic type, what I would call in today's parlance, to maintain a software program.
	And now we have the post- Mostly post-royal representations of the cult, which are dark suits professions, but they invariably interbreed as well with each other, like the Eastern Establishment Founders of the United States, etc.
	You have the royal bloodline and people accept.
	But actually, outside of what we see, the other major cult families also interbreed incessantly, not for love, but for genetics.
	And the reason for that is they're holding a particular software program, information field.
	And the reason for that I explain in the books.
	Yeah, it is all in our face, and a lot of it is becoming unraveled, and a lot of it has to do with the great work you've done, David, over the last 30 years.
	So I want to wrap it up here, and just thank you so much for everything that you've done.
	You continue to do. You've been a big inspiration on me, and a lot of the stuff I've done, and being willing to say things, and research things, and go down...
	Dark corners and into the shadows because that's the best disinfectant, shining a light on it.
	Yeah, that's really all we can do.
	So I want to give you the last word.
	How can we keep fighting against the corruption and the powers and make a better planet?
	Well, I wrote the book, The Answer, for that reason.
	I didn't know at that time that this massive...
	Upheaval was coming in their timescale.
	I knew it was coming, but the pandemic has obviously quickened its unfolding.
	But I did set out to come up with the answer of how we We're good to go.
	Like you said earlier, if we censor ourselves, one thing's for sure.
	The truth is not going to circulate.
	Or our version of the truth is not going to circulate.
	Therefore, another version of the truth is going to dominate.
	And it's going to dominate people's perceptions and therefore...
	It's going to dominate their behavior.
	We need to speak our truth.
	And if people don't like it, well, they can do the other thing.
	But we need to speak our truth and keep speaking it.
	And if people attack us and ridicule us, well, all right, so what?
	But you keep speaking your truth.
	And I'll tell you from personal experience that if you...
	If you keep doing that, and what you say has any validity, it will eventually be shown to be so.
	Because I'm now being, like I said earlier, stopped in the street by people who were laughing at me 30 years ago, 20 years ago, even 15, 10 years ago.
	And if I'd not spoke my truth then, it wouldn't be shown to have validity now.
	And when you do that, you're going to get ridiculed and you're going to get dismissed.
	Nothing like on the scale that when I started out and there was virtually no alternative media at all.
	But you keep doing it.
	And eventually, if what you say has validity, it will be shown to be so.
	But if you don't say it in the first place because you fear what other people think, then it won't be shown to be so because you'd never have said it.
	So come on.
	Never mind what people think of you.
	They'll think something else tomorrow.
	It doesn't matter. What matters is you speaking your truth, whatever that may be.
	Well said. Thank you, David.
	Thank you very much. It's been a real pleasure, fellas.
	Thanks very much. Yeah, thanks for coming on, David.
	And, you know, hopefully next year when things settle down, you got any plans to come back to America?
	Yeah, well, as soon as I can.
	Yeah. I'll tell you now, I ain't wearing a freaking mask on a plane.
	That's for sure. This is another thing.
	Very important. Yes.
	If you concede to stupid, you become stupid.
	Don't concede to stupid.
	Right? If they say you do this or you can't do that, well, don't do it.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Because if you do, you concede to stupid.
	And wearing masks is ridiculous, not least because viral particles are much smaller than the holes in the mask.
	But, and there's so much more to know about viruses and what they are, really.
	So... Don't tell me I have to wear a mask to do this.
	If I have to wear a mask to do this, I ain't going to do it.
	Because I ain't wearing a mask, right?
	And I'm not doing this stupid thing you're telling me to do and that stupid thing you're telling me to do.
	And if enough people refuse to acquiesce and cooperate with their own enslavement, well, there's no enslavement.
	It's simple as that.
	We have the power.
	The power they have is the power we give them.
	And we need to stop doing it.
	Right. Well, that's awesome, David.
	And if we could, we would love to show Renegade here in New Hampshire.
	I'd love to have you come up for a screening and set up a screening.
	We just watched Renegade and some pints.
	We're sponsored by a brewery right here in town, and there's an independent theater and a brewery.
	So if we can get you to New Hampshire at some point, David, we'd love to have you come out, do a screening of Renegade, a question and answer, and then we can have some pints.
	Yeah, well, sponsored by a brewery.
	Yeah, that sounds good. Sponsored by Post and Beam.
	That sounds good. All right, everybody.
	Thank you so much for tuning in.
	And you can check David Icke out at iconic.com.
	And he's still on Instagram and he's still on Twitter, correct?
	Yeah. Well, the last time I looked.
	All right. Well, thank you, everybody.
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