Observing Insanity - David Icke Talks To Alchemy Radio (Full Interview)
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I'm very pleased to welcome back to Alchemy the guest who, believe it or not, has made most appearances on the show to date, David Icke.
How are you, David? I'm good, mate.
How are you feeling about what's going on all around us?
Well, from my point of view, it's not surprising what's going on.
The means at which it came about So fast because of this fake pandemic.
Okay, that was something you might not expect it to happen so fast.
But what is actually happening, of course, has been in my books for the best part of 30 years.
This is not some random event that we're experiencing.
This is the result of a long-term plan of stepping stones towards this end.
And we're not at a point, people need to appreciate, where we are where it was meant to get.
We are only at another more advanced stage, thanks to the last few weeks.
This society that they've been manipulating us towards is meant to get far more vicious, far more draconian, Than people can imagine.
And, you know, I say to people, okay, how long are you going to sit there hoping it'll all go away?
Because it won't. How long are you going to do it?
You know, how long are you going to wait before the numbers being imposed upon by a tiny few actually say, we have the numbers, we're not having it. Because if you don't do that, then we're talking about, you know, Mary Poppins as things stand compared with where it's meant to go.
This is just a staging point.
And people have to make a decision.
They have to look at their kids and their grandkids and just ask themselves how long they're going to take this because the longer they wait, The more draconian it's going to get.
And this is like, you know, something that I've been warning people about for so long.
And I've had this thing thrown at me over the years.
You know, a few people can't control the world.
It's too many people. And here we have, in a matter of weeks, literally billions put under house arrest and having their independent livelihoods destroyed, which is what this is fundamentally all about and why it's happening, along with other things.
And, you know, people, unless they are in complete and utter breathtaking denial, can no longer sustain the argument that a few can't control the many.
It's possible because the few involved at the core are super psychopaths with no compassion, no empathy, and the population that they're targeting Overwhelmingly just acquiesce and do as they're told.
You know, I've seen lots of people waking up to the fact the world's not like they thought it was as a result of all this because it's really something they can't deny anymore if they've got a modicum of intelligence.
But the still great majority just Do whatever they're told.
Like, you know, little boys and girls doing what Daddy and Mummy says.
It's really pathetic.
And, you know, while people have the utter lack of self-respect that they only get their information from the mainstream media, things like the BBC, etc., well...
Do they think that those organizations are going to tell them the truth?
I suppose in the naivety of believing what government tells them, I guess they would believe that.
And what we've seen, John, in this period of lockdown is what's been happening in the shadows for the duration, what I've been uncovering, Actually coming into a position where people can start to see it.
Because the forces that have, or the force in the end, that has expressed itself openly in lockdown and this police state all over the world are the very same forces that have been manipulating human society through their proxies, like governments, government agencies, banking systems, media, etc., all along.
It's just that they, you know, I said years ago, there's going to come a point where they're going to have to break the surface and we're going to see them because if you're working covertly under the radar to transform society in a particular way, then there comes a point where that society has to visually transform.
And at that point, people will start to see what's been manipulating their lives covertly all along.
And of course, we are there now.
We are looking the dragon in the face, in the eyes.
And some of us refuse to blink.
One of the things that really kind of gets to me over the last few weeks and months is that it's so easy to see through the veil.
It's not like there was some incredible disease that literally had people falling dead on the ground in front of us.
It wasn't that we were ravaged by smallpox or something like that.
Something so benign and if anybody looks and even scratches the surface you can see that people aren't dying everywhere.
To me it just seems so obvious what's going on and it's been really really frustrating to see that others don't appear to see it the same way and that's not for me to say that oh I'm so enlightened or I'm so awake.
Far from it. It just seems so obvious.
Blatant. Nothing is hidden anymore.
As you said, it had to come to the surface at some point.
Well, by God, did it come roaring to the surface and crash through and hit us all straight in the face.
But still people have their heads down, be it in their phones or into TV or mainstream media or whatever it is.
And they're just not looking up.
That must be extremely frustrating for you as somebody who has been talking and writing about this for going on three decades now at this stage, you know, and trying to lift that veil for people.
Well, I try to avoid the frustration because it is a struggle sometimes, some days.
But you try to avoid the frustration because it's a meaningless emotion that just drains you and makes no contribution.
You just have to go upward and onward and keep putting it out and, you know, let him hear and all that stuff.
But if you're only getting...
Your information from the mainstream media.
And the mainstream media, when I talk about things that have been going on in the background, coming to the surface where you can see them, that is never more true than the behavior of the mainstream media in the last few weeks over this.
They have consistently, hour by hour, lied to the population in concert.
But if you don't have the self-respect to say, hold on a minute, okay, I'll look at this, but I'm going to see if there are any other angles and ways of looking at this.
Is there any other information about this that is not in the mainstream?
If you haven't got that self-respect, then all you're doing is listening to the propaganda and believing it.
And the...
The story, the narrative that we're being given about this virus, which I actually say doesn't exist.
I've been saying it for weeks and weeks and weeks now.
The story is so weak.
It's so easy to pick apart.
That the censorship has now gone into the stratosphere.
I've been banned from Facebook, I've been banned from YouTube, a million subscribers, YouTube channels for decades and decades just gone in an instant because the story is so ridiculous and so unsupportable that the only way to defend it is to stop any other view being heard.
This is why we've had extraordinary examples of doctors who've done YouTube videos and explained that the story that people are being told is not true, that they are being ordered and pressured to put COVID-19 on death certificates for people who have absolutely nothing to do with that at all.
And What's happened is that these doctors, who are just from their professional direct experience telling their own story, have been deleted by YouTube for no other reason than they are contradicting the official narrative.
And that situation, that kind of censorship only happens in fascist communist regimes.
Doesn't happen in the free country where a doctor says something and, oh, that's different to the official story, so we're going to delete it.
A couple of doctors in California got to 5 million hits in a few days before they pulled.
And they pulled because they got to 5 million hits.
It was starting to get out of hand.
The reason they banned me is the number of hits I was getting, the number of views I was getting.
If I was getting, you know, 10,000 views or something, they would have left me up.
But because it was in the millions with some of them, then they pulled it because it was starting to have an effect on their narrative.
And like I say, the narrative is so unbelievably vulnerable, they can only defend it by preventing it being unraveled and people seeing the information that unravels it.
Because we can follow a sequence here, which is Very simple, and the timeline tells the story.
This virus is supposed to have started in China.
Well, people apparently started getting ill in China, in Wuhan.
And Wuhan is notorious for its toxic air, and thus for its...
Massive amount of respiratory lung disease and pneumonia.
And they took these early people who they said had got sick with this thing.
And there would be sick people all over Wuhan.
They could have picked anyone up.
And they decided it was a virus.
But the Chinese authorities never isolated the virus and never showed it was a virus.
What they did is they took genetic material from the fluid of the lungs of about seven of these early cases, and they decided it was a virus.
There's something called the Koch Postulates, which is a series of things which you have to do to prove A, your infectious agent exists, and B, it's causing what you claim it's causing.
And the Koch postulates were named after a guy called Robert Koch who was a German bacteriologist etc who came up with this criteria in 1890 and it's been the gold standard ever since in mainstream medicine to show that an infectious agent exists and that it's causing this disease you claim it is.
And the Koch postulates basically say First of all, you have to isolate the virus or isolate the agent, whatever you claim it is.
In other words, all other genetic material has to be deleted from your sample and only what you say is causing the disease is left.
Not done in this COVID-19.
You then are supposed to have a situation where everybody has the same symptoms And that's not happening.
You then have to put this agent you claim is causing your disease into a living host and they have to get the disease.
You then have to take material from that living host, put it in another living host and they have to get the disease.
And then you can pretty much say, okay, A is causing B. Not one of those Koch postulates has been done in this case.
They've never isolated the virus, they've never shown there's a virus, and they've never shown that what they claim is a virus is causing anything.
And what they did in Wuhan, to start with, is they...
They were diagnosing people with COVID-19 from symptoms.
And if you remember, what were the symptoms?
Flu-like symptoms. Flu-like symptoms have a vast number of potential causes, not least in Wuhan with its air quality.
And then they come up with a test called the PCR test.
The PCR test was invented by a guy called Carey Mullis in the 1980s.
Who actually said this test should not be used for diagnosing infectious diseases, which is what they're using it for.
And what this test does, this PCR test, is it tests for this genetic material that they took from the lungs of these people.
It doesn't test for a virus because they're never isolated.
This is why doctors have come out And I've had communications with some of them.
And they've said, actually, you know this test?
We're not testing for COVID-19.
We're testing for a genetic material, an RNA sequence.
And so when they say you've tested positive for COVID-19, no, you've not, because they're not even testing for it.
But because they've scammed the test, every time someone tests positive, now they've got COVID-19.
It's like a German doctor said, we don't have a new virus.
We have a new test.
It's a trick. So the key to this whole sequence, John, was that at that point in China, and this cult I talk about, this global cult, it doesn't have borders.
People need to understand that.
Don't think of China and America and Britain and France.
It don't work like that.
That's for the people. At the cult level, there are no borders.
There are just subsidiary networks to the centrally dictated global agenda.
So China...
It's one of the major global centers for this cult.
And it's the Chinese model that is the model that's been incubated under this vicious communist fascist regime in China to become the global Orwellian model of control.
And so you just look at what's happened During this lockdown sequence, so much of what happens as a matter of course in China has been played out across the West.
China is coming to the West.
That's why I've been saying for decades, if you want to know what's planned for the West tomorrow, look at China today.
So the key was that the Chinese response to this, quote, virus, they've never isolated, had to become the blueprint For how virtually everyone else in the world responded to it as its illusory spread across the world.
And so what happened, if you remember, is China, as you would expect, responded with this draconian lockdown, whereby people were literally locked in their homes, some of them apparently died of starvation, pulled off the streets, And what happened is the numbers are coming, the number of cases are coming from diagnosing symptoms, which could have a long list of causes, not least in Wuhan, and through a test that is not testing for COVID-19.
And through putting on the death certificate COVID-19 when they've died of something else.
This is how the whole scam has been played in China and then across the world.
So what happened?
Because they control the figures, because they control the way the figures are compiled and how it's done, you can make the figures go up and then you can make the figures go down.
So we had this situation in China.
Whereby it was this furore.
Oh, it's this fantastically deadly virus.
Oh, my God. And then you saw the Chinese government building hospitals to meet the crisis in days or build a hospital in days.
And then suddenly, woo, the figures start to drop.
And the hospitals are closed that they built.
And immediately, this is the key to it, The World Health Organization, which is owned by Bill Gates, his second biggest funder, second only to the United States government, and the director general of the World Health Organization, a guy called Ted Ross from Ethiopia, who's an employee, has been an employee in the past of Gates organizations.
He comes out and says, the way to deal with this virus is the way the Chinese have done it.
Look at the way the Chinese have done it.
They've sorted it out with this lockdown.
Gates came out and said the same, and so on.
And so when it came to the West, what happened?
Well, when it appeared to come to the West, what happened?
First of all, people start, the medical profession, start diagnosing this stuff on symptoms.
We're going through the same sequence.
So flu-like symptoms are now suddenly not flu or other causes.
They are COVID-19.
And then they start testing people with the same PCR test, which is not testing for COVID-19, and the same sequence played out.
And then you go to Italy, which was used as the big fear.
Italy, it's a Western country.
Look what can happen in Italy.
If it can happen in Italy, it could come to us.
And so you had this frenzy in Northern Italy.
Northern Italy around Lombardy in the Lombardy region just happens to be the Italian version of Wuhan with extraordinary levels of toxic air and lots of respiratory and pneumonia and also a very, very high death count.
The last figures I saw, I think it was 2018, in Lombardy where all this was going on, Just a few hundred short of 100,000 people died in that year in Lombardy.
The next region for highest death rates in Italy was Lazio, 57,000 compared with 100,000.
So there was so much potential with respiratory disease that was happening anyway to be re-diagnosed COVID-19.
But still, as this moved on, still they didn't have the death numbers.
The numbers weren't composite or comparable with a deadly virus.
And so they had a problem because the death numbers weren't being produced, even with fixing the death certificates.
What then happened, absolutely planned from the start, I suggest, is that this deeply corrupt Imperial College in London and its computer modeler, Professor Neil Ferguson, who's been wrong so many times in the past, it's laughable.
He came out with these projections.
That half a million people could possibly die in Britain from this, and that up to two million people would die in America.
And that changed the whole game.
Although they didn't have the numbers, now it was all on, but if we don't do it, this is what's going to happen.
And so you had the lockdowns both sides of the Atlantic and around Europe and the rest of the world.
And just by coincidence, the people around Boris Johnson, the dark suits who've never seen a ballot box, the medical technocrats, have massive financial connections to Bill Gates.
And in America, you've got this lady Deborah Birx and this completely crooked, psychopathic Anthony Fauci, who both have massive financial connections to Bill.
Bill Gates has basically bought the world medical system.
And so you have these figures for deaths and cases that are being compiled And reported by the media, unquestioningly, by the Johns Hopkins University operation in America, which is another massively Gates-connected organization.
So they've stitched up the whole thing.
But because it's not a virus, and people say, well, why don't they just release a virus?
Because if they did, they would lose control of it.
Especially if you release a bioweapon or something, you're going to lose control of it.
But if you're doing it by simply fixing the numbers, you have complete control of it.
You can decide when it appears to be going up and when it comes down, when there's a second wave, which is what they're planning.
You control all of it.
But what it makes you...
is very vulnerable to being exposed because you're lying through your teeth and this is why this vicious hysterical level of censorship I mean, in Scotland and Northern Ireland, They've introduced regulations that if someone tests positive for COVID-19, in other words, the genetic material, not COVID-19, and they die of anything within 28 days,
then COVID-19 must go on the death certificate.
We've had this guy Valence, this science advisor to Johnson, having to admit that actually just because it says they died of COVID-19 doesn't mean they did!
We're having doctors and other medical people, like the chief medical officer of Illinois, did a press conference and said exactly the same.
Oh, no, just because it says COVID-19 on the desk, it doesn't mean they actually died from it.
Well, excuse me?
What? This is how it's being done.
And, of course, the number of cases goes up and up because they're testing for genetic material that lots of people have in their body, so they're actually going to test Positive for it.
And this is how it's all been achieved.
And you're absolutely right.
I mean, I'd sussed this weeks ago and I talked and interacted with doctors, particularly one in America called Dr.
Andrew Kaufman, who has this forensic mind and doesn't, you know, read reports.
He goes back to the original scientific papers and reads them.
And he'd realized some time ago that actually they've never shown this virus to exist.
And what was happening, John, if you followed the figures, is that because all these people dying of other things were being designated COVID-19, the figures of people dying compared with previous years Of other things were going down at one point at the same rate that COVID-19 deaths were going up.
It's a miracle. Yeah, but what has happened, and it was always going to happen, is that the lockdown itself is killing people.
And every time they die in care homes and nursing homes, and I can talk a lot about what's gone on there because people working there have contacted us.
Because of that, they have all these people dying of other things, which again, they can put COVID-19 on.
And you see this recurring description in the media.
So-and-so or this number have died after testing positive for COVID-19.
Not that have died from after testing positive.
But the next stage is those figures died after testing positive, not of, are picked up by the Johns Hopkins University operation and they become died of.
When they didn't.
So these figures are ludicrous and completely made up, and that's where it's coming from.
And it's so blatant, they've had to go into these extreme levels of censorship to stop the truth coming out in a big way.
And one of the interesting things for me, David, is on an anecdotal level and a personal level, not many people know many people who have even allegedly died from this, do they?
That's the thing. I mean, I talk to my friends, I talk to acquaintances or whatever, and I've never yet heard of anybody who firsthand knows somebody who died from this.
Same here. Same.
You know, my boys in Derby have done that.
You know, I've done that.
People I know have done that.
Do you know anyone who has COVID-19?
Do you know anyone who's died from it?
Do you know anyone you know who knows anyone who has it or has died from it?
And it's zero, zero, zero, zero.
But it's the power of...
Of media propaganda and programming, that people believe in something without even just taking a breath and asking themselves if it stands up.
And when you do that with this virus scam, there's no aspect of it that stands up.
Language is something I'm very interested in and it has been extremely enlightening in a way to watch the language used around this PSYOP, which is probably the best term I can put on it.
Exactly what it is. I mean, we're seeing military language over and over again.
We're talking about the front lines and trenches and all that kind of military terminology over and over and over again.
We're also seeing, as you said, the interchangeability of words, which doesn't actually exist in, say, the English language.
So instead of dying from, it's dying with, or whatever it might be.
But people are just blindly accepting this as if the words are interchangeable and mean the same thing.
At what point do you think The language will become obvious to people as well because the spell has been cast and been woven through spelling and language and it does seem to be working extremely well.
Surely at some point, David, people will think, hang on a minute, let's look at this even with a modicum of critical analysis.
Something's wrong. I don't know anybody who's got this.
I don't know anybody who knows anybody who's got this.
The language is, it's all this violent military language.
Why? Why?
Something must be going on.
In the absence of, and maybe that's what the second wave is about, I don't know, we can touch on that and the links to other technologies and stuff.
In the absence of morgues filling up and hospitals filling up and ICU units overflowing, surely something has to give in the narrative.
What do you think? Well, again, it has given in the narrative for large numbers of people.
Because of the censorship, the number of people who've sussed that there's something not right, if only at that level, is enormous compared with what it appears to be.
Because the microphones, where people get their information from, are dominated by the official narrative.
But a lot of people have sussed it.
But it just shows you, given how easy it is to suss, the level of programming that vast numbers of people live their lives in, believing that it's their own mind when they've allowed themselves to become little more than a software program with the state and the system pressing enter whenever it chooses.
But, you know, if people don't Don't make the decision to have the self-respect to check their own facts rather than just believe what the media tells them or the government tells them.
They're never going to suss it because they will never hear anything that will help them suss it.
For instance, you know, people watch a television program and it's not called a program by accident and they go into this kind of Semi-conscious mode watching it.
And things like someone died after testing positive from and someone died from, they just fuse into one.
Because they're not conscious enough when they're watching.
To actually see those nuances and see those subtleties.
All they hear is died from or died after and, well, another COVID death.
They don't question. So when you say to people, there is no bloody virus, they say, well, all these people are dying.
Do you know how many people die every year, every week?
And how many die from respiratory problems?
It's absolutely freaking enormous.
And this is another thing, John, you know.
People say this virus is deadly or potentially deadly to old people, but hardly touches younger people at all.
And if they test positive for this genetic material, they're invariably young people, have no symptoms whatsoever.
Well, why don't they have any symptoms?
Because they haven't got a virus, because there is not a virus.
But why does this virus not affect young people virtually at all, but affects old people in much higher levels, numbers?
Because younger people invariably, overwhelmingly, Do not have other life-threatening conditions that they're going to die of and be designated COVID-19.
They don't exist.
They can't re-diagnose them with COVID-19 because they haven't got anything in the first place.
But the older you get, the more other potential, what they call morbidities, People have, and the more potential there is as they die, and people do tend to die when they get, you know, old, the more potential you have to redesignate those deaths from other causes as COVID-19.
And that's why old people are, quote, dying from this and not young people.
And in terms of the care homes and the The nursing homes.
I mean, you know, I was ahead of this because I was pointing out weeks ago that what's going to happen, and this was at a time when the number of people dying from other diseases was going down at the same rate as the COVID-19 deaths were apparently going up.
I said, look, but eventually the death numbers Compared with other years are going to go up because of the lockdown.
And there's going to be lots of people dying in old people's homes and care homes, etc., which are going to be designated COVID-19 when they're not anything to do with that.
And we got approached by people.
There was one nurse, I remember.
Who came on and said, actually, there's a word for what's happening in the care homes, the nursing homes, including my own, he said, and that's murder.
He said, what they're doing is they're designating entire care homes to have COVID-19.
And if one gets it, it's presumed that everyone else has got it.
And once that happens, he said, doctors aren't coming in anymore.
He said, we are begging for antibiotics, for problems that people have in this home or this nursing home that he is working in, but they can't get them.
And so these old people are dying.
They're being allowed to die.
And then they designated a COVID-19 death when it had absolutely nothing to do with it.
And something else, I don't know if it's going on in Ireland, John, but In Britain, it's absolutely going on.
It's come from so many different sources, medical sources and loved ones' sources, family sources.
They are pressuring old people.
In fact, it's even appeared in parts of the mainstream media here and there that...
General practitioners, family doctors, are pressuring old people on their books to sign do not resuscitate forms.
They're being pressured in hospital to do that.
And what's happening is they're taking people into hospital, and because of COVID-19, we can't have visitors, they're going in there without family, without anyone literally watching their back, And then they die.
And no one knows what the hell's happening because they can't get there.
We've had children dying, not of COVID-19, but of other things, in hospital without their mum and dad because the mum and dad wasn't allowed in because of COVID-19 laws and regulations.
And we were given this, a few days ago, this interchange Between a woman, a girl, a young woman in London and someone else, where she's telling the story of what had happened that day in a London hospital.
She'd broken her foot, broken her ankle.
And she turns up at accident and emergency.
And she said, instead of treating the foot, they told me I didn't look well.
And that, you know, maybe we need to give you an x-ray.
So she thought, well, an x-ray on me foot.
Well, okay. Yeah, I follow that one.
She goes into the x-ray and they want to x-ray her chest.
Wow. And then they try to get her into a COVID ward.
She's gone in with a broken foot.
So this is what's happening all over the world.
It's like in America. The Centers for Disease Control are not only telling doctors, as many of the doctors have said, telling doctors that they must diagnose COVID-19, fall down the stairs, COVID-19.
But there's massive financial incentives.
I don't know if you've seen this, but The Medicare system in America has been changed in this period of this fake pandemic so that if a hospital diagnoses someone with regular pneumonia, they get paid $4,600.
If they diagnose someone with COVID-19 pneumonia, they get $13,000.
And if they have a COVID-19 diagnosed patient and they put them on a ventilator, they get $39,000.
And I don't know if you've seen that video that a doctor, a medical professional did in America, where he's wearing a mask and he's in a room in a hospital and behind him are all these machines and they've got covers on.
And he goes on about the fact that he's questioning whether there is a virus at all.
And he tells how the death certificates are being faked with wrong diagnosis.
But then he says, these machines behind me are the non-invasive way when people have respiratory problems and need oxygen.
These are the first machines you go on.
They're simply a mask that give people oxygen.
He said, as soon as this COVID-19 started, he said, we were banned from using these machines on patients.
In his words, we have to let the patients crash, in other words, get so bad that they go straight onto a ventilator.
And there's 39 grand immediately, every one of them.
And so wherever you look, it's an absolute scam.
And this has been done for three reasons.
One, to destroy the independent livelihood of the population so they become totally dependent on the state, and thus you do what the state says or you don't get anything.
This is why they had to have the lockdown to create this.
I know so many people whose businesses will never open again.
Two, to justify a massive expansion of the surveillance state on the grounds of tracking people to track the virus.
And if you don't have a virus, of course, you've got massive potential for tracking the virus because you're making it up.
You don't lose control of it.
You're making it up so you have control of it.
And thirdly, it's to get the entire human population, that's what they're after, vaccinated with this Gates vaccine.
Which will have nothing to do with COVID-19.
See, if you've not isolated a virus, you can't test for it.
And if you're not isolated a virus, you can't vaccinate for it.
And there never has been a vaccine for a COVID, a coronavirus.
But I said at the start of this, the vaccine already exists.
Before this started, the vaccine existed.
But what they're having to do is go through this charade of seeking a vaccine because they have a credibility issue.
It takes years to develop a vaccine.
And the story is that this COVID-19 virus just came out of nowhere.
So you have a starting point.
Say, January.
And so you have a credibility problem because if you come out with a vaccine far too early, when you appear to only have started trying to find one in January or February, then there's a big credibility problem.
Even among non-skeptical people, they'll say, well, hold on a minute.
It's supposed to take years.
So, they can't bring in the vaccine immediately, but what they're going to do is to try to
bring it in as fast as possible.
And what they want, and they're telling you, is to keep the lockdown right up to the vaccine
and say to people, as they are saying, and Gates is openly saying it, you cannot go back
to a normal life until you're vaccinated.
And in that vaccine will not be anything to do with coronavirus.
It will be to do with a lot of things, including nanotechnology to do with this whole smart grid technology, which 5G is all part of.
You've segued beautifully for me there onto 5G because it seems to be the dirty word with regard to censorship and anybody who speaks about 5G is immediately ostracized from any kind of platform that they may have.
However, we're going to talk about it now.
What are your thoughts on 5G and how is it linked to this, David?
Well, I talked about this weeks ago and was not only misrepresented in the
mainstream media as you would expect, but also in the alternative media in many cases, as if I was saying that
the virus is caused by 5G. How can I be saying that when I'm saying there is no
virus? I mean, you know, hello, that's crazy. What I'm saying is that
5G can generate symptoms, flu-like symptoms, that are being claimed to be this COVID-19.
But what interests me most is this interaction that 5G at 60 gigahertz has with oxygen.
And this is accepted by the telecommunications industry.
I mean, they are even using it as a selling point, really.
Because for some reason, the interaction between 5G at 60 gigahertz and oxygen molecules allows lots of devices to be used in the same area without interfering with each other.
But it has this effect on oxygen.
And there are cases, a small number of cases, where people are having these strange...
Lung effects, which are being described as oxygen depletion.
Because what this 60 gigahertz 5G does is it stops the body from absorbing the volume of oxygen it normally would.
And there's a doctor who's been taken out of the intensive care unit now, apparently, because he made the video.
But he made this video to say that we were told to expect infectious disease, COVID-19, but that's not what we're seeing, he said.
He said, we're seeing lungs I've never seen before.
He said, lungs that I would expect to see in someone who is in a plane at 30,000 feet and the cabin depressurizes.
Or you put someone on the top of Everest without any acclimatization.
Or by definition, without oxygen.
That's what we're seeing.
And there's been a number of stories running about this in the British media recently.
And so what I'm saying is when you see that effect at 60 gigahertz with 5G's impact on oxygen and our ability to absorb it, that has to be put in the mix.
But my feeling about 5G is that its real impact You know, when you have a situation where Ofcom, the Office of Communications in Britain, which is the government regulatory agency for British broadcasters, when it tells them, as Ofcom has, you will face severe sanctions if you even discuss a link Between 5G and this virus pandemic,
then you know there's a connection.
Because that's what they've done.
You know, there was a small community radio station, I think it was in Sussex, in the kind of outer London area.
And they had one person on talking about 5G in relation to this virus.
And Ofcom went absolutely crazy.
They threatened them with big sanctions and announced that the rest of the broadcast media in Britain, I'm talking the BBC, all of them, must not have this discussion, not even a debate.
So that tells you that there's a connection.
And then you look at This whole thing happening absolutely in the wake of the rollout of 5G and the fact that while vast numbers of businesses were shut down, many not to reopen again because they weren't considered essential, rolling out 5G across the world so rapidly during this lockdown was considered essential.
You know, you go on the internet and you'll see people who go out and they see all the towers that weren't there before.
And it's happening in Britain, it's happening in Australia, it's happening in America.
Kids are going to go back to school and they're going to find that 5G is there.
Hospitals are putting 5G in.
How do you think that's going to work out?
What do you think? So obviously, and Elon Musk is putting satellites up all the time to fire 5G at the Earth in low orbit.
So this whole 5G is absolutely connected and has the potential, as it expands, to create illness.
To create oxygen depletion illness to create other illness which can then be blamed on other waves of this virus possibly.
And the other thing about 5G, which has been pointed out by people who are au fait with all this, is that 5G at the moment is at the lowest level it will ever be because of how few people are actually using 5G devices.
But as more and more people use 5G devices, more and more beam connections of 5G are going to be made all over the place in the environments that people work in, cities, on trains, etc.
And the atmosphere is going to become more and more infused with 5G the more devices that people use.
So I say that the big 5G impact is to come because of this.
And one of the things about 5G, there seems to be a kind of a general assumption, and I think this has been very skillfully propagandized on the part of those who are looking to push the technology, is that, oh, it's just another bump up.
We had 3G, now we 4G, now it's 5G. It's just kind of an upgrade, and you'll have faster Netflix or whatever.
But it's a completely different technology.
And when you look at Wi-Fi at the moment, and it's only using two bands on the spectrum, 5G will be simultaneously, and you mentioned the 60 gigahertz there, but it'll be simultaneously using up to 2,000 at the one time, all interconnected by millions of devices and small cell towers or mobile towers all over the place.
I mean, it is a whole new world, and this is the same technology that the US military developed by DARPA has used, and it can be checked online if anyone cares to do that.
As a crowd dispersal technology, LRAD I think it was known at some point in the past, which actually cooked people from the inside to encourage, heavy use of quotation marks, them to leave a particular area.
And that's 5G technology right there.
Who wants that or to be swimming in a soup of that kind of electromagnetic pond water, for want of a better term?
Yeah, plus the fact that, you know, we shouldn't forget the potential psychological effects because the body is an antenna.
The skin is an antenna.
The sweat ducts are an antenna.
And that's why when they fire this 5G frequency, which is a band of frequencies, With these so-called active denial technologies, these crowd dispersing technologies, they fire the frequency and the skin decodes it.
And it decodes it into the feeling that your skin is on fire.
That's why people run.
And so if you're an antenna...
You're going to be affected by frequencies that your body decodes.
The body is an electromagnetic field that communicates electrically.
The brain processes information electrically.
It communicates with the cellular structure electrically.
We are electrochemical beings.
And so the idea that we can be bombarded with these powerful electromagnetic fields and
not be affected by them is just another form of insanity.
And because again, most people live their lives on the absolute outer, outer peripheral
of knowledge.
They don't have knowledge, they have a feeling and they have an assumption.
They have, oh, an idea they heard somewhere.
So most people have not looked at what 5G is.
They've not looked at the fact that it's a whole new band of frequency, as you were pointing out, millimeter waves, which have different potential effects.
To them, it's just, well, yeah, 5G, well, that will get movies quicker.
And this level of, and I keep coming back to it, because this is what it is, lack of self-respect, is how people get scammed.
And so the idea that 5G or 4G and this electromagnetic soup of electromagnetic fields technologically generated can have an effect on an electromagnetic organism is like, well, that's crazy, man.
How can you say that?
It's just going to make my phone work.
But they won't even know that the body's an electromagnetic entity.
Never mind that 5G can have a fundamental effect on it.
And I come back to the psychology.
The brain processes information electrically.
If you can impact upon that information processing the way that it does that, Then you can impact upon the way people perceive the world, perceive everything.
Perceptions on a brain level come from electrical firing and electrical processing of frequency information.
That's how thoughts manifest at the brain level.
And anything that can impact on that is going to impact on thought, which is impacting on perception, which impacts upon behavior, which impacts upon the life experience we all have.
You control perception, you control behavior.
Control behavior, control the world.
And if you look at the period of this lockdown, what has happened?
People have sat there in their homes under house arrest because their perception says it's dangerous to go out.
And others who realize that this is not right, their perception is, but if I challenge it, what are the consequences for me?
So they sit there and just take it.
And so this whole conspiracy It's a conspiracy of manipulating human perception so they control human behavior.
And that's why mavericks, they're so terrified of mavericks, because they can't manipulate them to respond perceptually in the way that they need them to.
So, from your point of view then, what are the solutions?
Because it's a fairly safe assumption that most of the people listening to this show will be fairly clued into what's going on and they very much understand what you're talking about.
There will be a lot of people wondering, How do we get out of this, even not collectively, but on an individual level?
Obviously, it starts from taking personal responsibility and it starts with the self.
But what's your perception or from your point of attention?
What's the best way for somebody who just doesn't know what to do?
They're kind of clued into the con game and they don't have the same collective Stockholm syndrome that a lot of people may have.
How can they go about seeing a positive way forward for themselves and those around them?
Well, funnily enough, I started writing a book last October, and 85% of it was finished before these big lockdowns kicked in.
And the book is called The Answer.
And there's now a big section on the pandemics, of course, because they fundamentally confirm what's in the rest of the book.
But it's all about this – What can we do?
The pandemic is just an addition to it, but the same theme is there.
It's coming out in August. I've literally just finished it.
I'm going to go into all that then, but for me, we have to reassess the nature of self and the experience we're having.
Because if you perceive yourself through a series of labels, what I call I am ours, I am our man, I am a woman, I am a black, I am white, I am this, I am the other, I'm Christian, I'm Jewish, all the rest of it, then you are operating not as the true I, you're operating as the misinterpretation of the true I as the experiences you're having.
Being white, being black, being Irish, being whatever, is an experience.
It's not who you are.
Who you are is the consciousness having that experience.
And that consciousness is eternal and will at some point withdraw from this body, which is nothing more than a focus of attention for that consciousness in a tiny band of frequencies called visible light.
And you will continue your exploration of forever, forever.
And if you focus only on your labels and you self-identify only with your labels, then the world looks a certain way and consequences for actions look a certain way.
But if you self-identify with being a point of attention, Within an infinite state of consciousness, and your point of attention could be the size of a pea or infinity itself, just how much you're going to allow in, then you see the whole thing in a different way.
I mean, this is where I'm coming from.
I don't see my life as a life.
I see it as a short experience.
And thus, I existed before and I would exist afterwards as consciousness in its different forms.
So in that sense, I don't see consequences like people in label consciousness see consequences.
I look at the situation and I say, I'm going to do what I know to be right.
Mm-hmm. I'm going to say what I know to be right.
I mean, I could have shut my mouth and edited myself and censored myself and still be on YouTube.
But what's the bloody point?
No point whatsoever.
You speak your truth and the consequences take care of themselves.
And they can have benefits that you never thought possible when something apparently negative happened.
But you speak your truth.
You live your truth.
And the consequences take care of themselves because they don't matter to you in the sense that you're an infinite expression of consciousness.
You'll be leaving this body and carrying on and you came in and you go out and you explore forever, forever.
What happens in terms of consequences, suddenly they don't matter to you.
What matters to you is speaking your truth and living your truth.
And that has a power.
It has a frequency that is much more powerful than lies and mendacity, which is the frequency that this cult works on.
That's why they're terrified of people who are not intimidated by them.
Who are not worried about what will they do if I say this.
They just say it.
And they let the cult worry about the consequences.
And it gives you this tremendous freedom where you are you.
You're not censoring you.
You're not editing you.
You're just being you.
And you're not allowing external influences to impact upon your speaking and living your truth.
Because the biggest prison that people live in, even those that have sussed some of what's going on, sometimes a lot of what's going on, is this question, what are the consequences for me of doing what I know to be right?
And once you ask that question, then the consequences will invariably stop you doing it.
But when you open your heart, which is not just about the perception of love that we have, you open your heart, you're opening to innate intelligence, expanded consciousness, all these things, knowing rather than thinking.
And When you do that, there's no way that the heart will say, what are the consequences of doing what I know to be right?
It just does it. It just does it.
And what happens, happens.
And what people will find, and what I've found, is that when you do that, the consequences that you may otherwise have perceived happening don't happen.
Or if they do happen, they lead to something very positive that wouldn't have happened without the consequences.
So it's setting ourselves free to do what we know to be right.
And what absolutely we surely know to be right is not sitting acquiescing I put a meme on the internet weeks ago, and it was a picture of the earth, and it said at the top, ruled by psychopaths, and at the bottom it said, run by idiots.
And that's the dynamic.
You know, when you see the Matt Hancocks and the Boris Johnsons and the people you have in Ireland, I mean, you know, they're not brain, you know, brain of Britain material, are they?
That's for sure. I mean, I wouldn't let Matt Hancock, the health secretary in Britain, run a Welk store, you know, without being seriously overseen 24 hours a day.
But he's running the health department and he's telling people, he's told people yesterday, people outside of your household, you must not hug them until there's a vaccine.
Well, Mr.
Hancock, I know a place where the sun don't shine and you can stick that one right there.
So, you know, like, when I see people who are not in fear of it, I hug them.
I do what I know to be right.
I don't walk around them.
When I'm walking down the street, I walk straight ahead.
If people want to avoid me because they're frightened of me and what I might be carrying, well, they can move.
I ain't moving because I ain't frightened of them.
It's living your life.
If we want to be free, Then we must live freedom.
Otherwise, how can we ever be free if we don't live freedom?
And there's another equation, which is if you concede to stupid, you become stupid.
If something's stupid, then don't do it.
Don't do it.
Refuse to do it.
Because every time you concede to stupid...
Another notch of freedom has gone.
And more than that, you know, and I think this is something, you know, it's a bit deep psychologically, but I think about what a lot of people are being affected by psychologically in this whole lockdown is on some level that they've lost self-respect because they know this is nonsense.
And they know they shouldn't be acquiescing to it, but they are.
And that starts to erode your self-respect and your self-esteem because you're acquiescing to something and you know you're acquiescing.
And that kind of drains you of self-esteem.
But when you're refusing to align with stupid, then you've got your self-esteem because you refuse to have imposed upon you...
The nonsense that these psychopaths and idiots are insisting that you do.
So, you know, if they bring something in or you've got to wear a mask, well, I won't.
I won't do it.
I'd do what you like, but I ain't doing it.
Because it's nonsense.
It's all nonsense.
But if we acquiesce to it, then we become part of the nonsense.
And We're conceding our freedom.
Don't moan about your freedom taken away if you're acquiescing and playing your part in that freedom being taken away by acquiescing to it being taken away.
We've really just got to live our freedom.
I mean, when they make these announcements, you've got to do this, you've got to do that, if enough people say we're not doing it, Then where's their power?
They've got no power. Their power is the acquiescence of the people to the few saying this is what you're going to do.
And, you know, I will not acquiesce no matter what.
Well, you know, we'll fine you.
We'll do what you like. I won't pay it.
We'll put you in jail. Do what you bloody like.
I ain't doing it. Because, like I say, if we acquiesce With those taking our freedom away, our freedom will be taken away.
Because what we're looking at here, John, is a massive psychological, well, psyop, that's what it is.
You know, this whole thing about social distancing, it's all nonsense.
There was a guy who's a virologist advisor to the government in this period who came out last week.
And said that this social distancing of two meters, six feet, in his words, was conjured out of nowhere with no scientific basis.
And yet people are just doing it.
And it wasn't conjured out of nowhere.
It appeared to him it was because it made no scientific sense because there's no scientific basis.
But from the cult point of view, there's method in it.
This is why you see people standing outside of shops in India, six feet apart, all over the world, because it's about driving people apart.
They don't want human-human interaction.
The mask is a block on human-human interaction.
And if you look at the correlations Between the human-caused climate change hoax and the pandemic hoax, the goals and the outcomes demanded are basically the same.
And in the area we're talking about now, what is the climate change hoax saying?
Humans are dangerous.
Humans are destroying the world, especially those old people, especially those white men.
They're the ones. And what is all this social distancing and masks about?
It's saying humans are dangerous.
You should fear each other.
Everyone is a potential danger to you.
It's all psychological.
Because where they want to go with this endgame is to fuse humans with technology.
This is the whole...
I mean, I've written about this for years.
This is where they want to go.
So what they're doing is they're introducing all these technologies, like personal assistants and all these things, kind of toys and dolls for kids that are AI, so that people start to interact with AI as if AI is human.
At the same time, human-human contact is being driven apart.
Human-human intercourse is being driven apart.
And it's all part of this psychological, literally psychological distancing of human beings from each other.
And because of the lockdown, the overwhelming majority...
Of human communication is human communication via machine, via technology.
The human-human interaction is negligible compared with what it was before this happened.
And it's all part of the plan.
It's all psychological.
And we need to take our minds back and not allow this psychological manipulation to impact upon us.
Because if we do, then...
It'd be very interesting to see if, for example, mobile phones disappeared overnight.
Would this disappear overnight as well?
You know, because the interaction is through, as you say, technology.
So whether it's laptops or mobile phones or whatever it is, I don't think people would cope very well If suddenly the phones were taken away and they realised, hang on a minute, I don't actually have any meaningful human-on-human interaction in my life.
Not that I expect that to happen, but if that were the case, all of a sudden we'd have some eyes very wide open as to what's going on.
And I think that's why the phones in people's hands and the watches that they're now wearing and, you know, the advancement of technology on the body is absolutely crucial and key to it.
And it's something you've spoken about with regard to the transhumanist agenda for a long, long time.
I don't have a...
I don't carry a mobile phone.
I have one in the drawer.
It's 3G and...
I use it maybe once every six months when I'm somewhere where I absolutely need to be contacted and there's no other way.
And even then, I get the message and I say, I'll talk to you on a landline when I get to one.
And six months more on end sits in the drawer.
In fact, if you ask me where it was now, I couldn't tell you.
I don't carry them.
And I've never missed them.
I've never needed them.
Except in the very, very rare things where they're kind of useful in that sense.
But even with that, I could go without.
Because we did before.
And this is one of the things.
I was born in 1952.
I was 68 about a week or two ago.
And therefore, people of that generation, they have a radar because they knew what it was like before.
The young people now are born into this.
This is their normal. And this is another reason, John, why they are systematically trying to divide young and old.
That's why they're targeting old people.
They want rid of old people. They want rid of old people.
Because they want rid of that experiential radar of seeing the world before all this happened.
They want to isolate young people Away from any other influence other than the system that can say, actually, you know, I've experienced before this happened, and this is not normal.
They don't want that.
That's why they're demonizing old people.
And we come back to the human-caused climate change correlation with the pandemic hoax.
The human caused climate change, it's them old people.
They've done this to us.
We've got to live in what they've caused.
And here we have old people being targeted.
We're literally mass murder around the world, hidden by this pandemic.
So there's so many subplots to all this, as well as the main ones.
And targeting old people is one of them.
And where do you think this is going to end?
Do you think people are going to wake up to a degree or rise up even?
When I say rise up, I don't mean a revolution externally, not a hot revolution per se, but a revolution within the self.
I mean, what you've just described there, you know, the opening of the heart and connecting with higher vibrations and higher frequency.
Are you hopeful that that can happen?
And what do you think it will take for that to happen?
Because I don't see a huge amount of it happening at the moment.
Well, while I see more and more people potentially Yeah.
Getting wise to what's going on around them.
In terms of actually taking that action.
Well, that's the next step.
Which is the next step, yeah.
You know, I mean, there's a certain level in the awakening when you're standing on the other side of the street and you can see what's going on across the road and you can start to predict what's going to happen next.
But what's going to change it is when you cross the road and get engaged with it.
Or even more, disengage with it.
Mm-hmm. Stop being part of your own enslavement.
If something's enslaving, refuse to do it.
If something's taking your freedom away, refuse to cooperate with it.
I mean, why would you?
And in terms of people reacting to this, I still remain hopeful.
That this can be turned around.
And if I looked at what is happening now, and I looked at it with my five sense mind, shall we say, then I'd say no chance.
All over, gone, we're never going to come back from this.
We're all going to go back into a dystopia now, deeper and deeper.
But something, something within me, There's something that's driven me on for 30 years, says no.
No, no. There are some big surprises coming.
And this cult is very vulnerable to people awakening to it because its biggest...
Source of power is, apart from human power being handed to it, is the fact that people aren't aware that it exists.
But more and more people are becoming aware.
But there's this transition that needs to take place where people cross the road.
And that doesn't mean you're absolutely right.
That doesn't mean there has to be a violent revolution.
There has to be a revolution of perception, because from that everything else comes.
See, we live within a field of potentiality, a field of energy, vibration, which is all possibility.
And it's like if I'm sitting here now in front of this computer and I go on the internet, then my perception of reality is We'll dictate where on the internet I go.
You know, some people will go to this website, some people will go to this one.
And their perception of reality, a perception of self, will take them there.
But it's the same principle in the greater picture, because in many ways the Wi-Fi internet connection is exactly the same principle as the connection between what I call the field and as individual human entities.
So our perceptions are interacting with this field and they're dictating what we connect with and what we connect a feedback loop with and that feedback loop is dictating our experience.
Our perceptions become our experience in this feedback loop, in this interaction with this field.
So everything that Everything that exists in this reality is a frequency.
Every thought is a frequency.
Every emotion is a frequency.
And so our perceptions are an amalgamation of different frequencies, a collective whole of the different frequencies that we are producing.
We'll call it our perception.
But it's made up of different thoughts and different emotions that make up this band of frequency that I call perception.
And so the way we see ourselves, the way we see the world, is dictating the band of frequency The breadth of frequency and the nature of frequency with which we're interacting with this field and creating these feedback loops of perception becomes experience.
And so if you believe that you are little me and you have no power...
Then that frequency band that is generated by that perception of self will interact with the field in that band of frequency.
And you will create a feedback loop that will appear to you to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
You think you're little me.
You have no power.
You are experiencing a life of little me.
I have no power.
Not because it's true, but because you believe it is.
And when you open your heart and you open your mind and you re-self-identify from I am our labels to I am all that is, has been, and ever can be having a brief experience, Then your band of frequency explodes both in its breadth and scale and in its frequency, and you start interacting with the field of possibility and probability at that level.
And this is why when people go through this awakening process, they start to find that amazing synchronicities start to happen in their life that didn't happen before.
Coincidences and bits of luck and things just happening when you need them.
I'm meeting people in strange circumstances.
My God, fancy seeing you here!
And people look back and they think, well, this wasn't happening before.
No! Because you were interacting with a narrow band of frequency With the field of possibility, and that's what you were experiencing.
Now suddenly you started to awaken, you're interacting with the field in a completely different way, more expanded way, and now things that you can manifest in that feedback loop, fine detail, bits of luck, things happening just when you need them, meeting exactly the people you need to meet to expand your awakening, These suddenly start happening.
They're not, you know, they're not miracles.
They're just that you are now interacting with the field in a completely different level.
And so when you go through this process and you do what you know to be right, and you do what you know to be right, never mind consequences, you do what you know to be right, you do what you know to be right.
That very nature of what you're doing is expanding your consciousness and expanding your interaction with the field And so the consequences that you might have feared don't manifest because your interaction with the field is drawing to you what you need to achieve what you know to be right to happen.
So if you fear consequences, You will pick them out of the field of possibility and probability, and you experience them.
And then you say, see, I knew that would happen if I did that.
And I say, well, what would have happened if you did it without believing that would happen?
What would have been the experience then?
Because it wouldn't have been the same thing.
So we are creating our own reality All the time by our perception becoming our experience.
It's why we need a revolution of perception.
And this is why the cult works 24-7, controlling the information that we receive and the excuse for an education system.
System that we are told it is, when it's an indoctrination machine, a perception programming machine, they are working all the time to hold our perceptual state in a low vibrational, low awareness, low self-identity state, because they know that if they can control our perception, they can control our experience.
And we can...
Take that control back whenever we choose.
And when we do, people are going to be shocked at how their life will change and how all the consequences they thought would happen don't actually happen.
Lay down a challenge to the listeners, David.
Well, you know, the last thing I ever want to do, and I ever will do, is say you must do this.
I can pass on information and say, you know, this is the way I do it and this is how I think things can be turned around.
But I would never say to people, you must absolutely do this because I say it.
What they must do is look at the situation we're in and come to their own conclusion.
And it's pretty certain now I would say that if people go on doing and responding the way they have, then nothing's going to change.
It's just going to get deeper and deeper into dystopia.
It's like that great line, if you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got.
So if people want this thing to continue, then they must continue to do what they've always done.
But clearly, I would say, we're at a point where it's worth pondering on the fact that maybe we need to do something different to get a different outcome.
And if acquiescing to power is the way we got into this mess, then not acquiescing to power has got to be the way we get out of it.
But people will have to make those choices.
I've made mine. And, you know, I'll look this dragon in the eye and I ain't going to blink.
Well, from my point of attention, the perception of the frequency you've been resonating during this conversation, David, and indeed for the past 30 years through the information you've been putting out, is that of truth.
And to me, truth is love and there's no higher frequency.
And I think it's a great place to leave this conversation with that message.
I have the power. You have the power.
We have the power. David Icke, thank you so much for joining me again on Alchemy.
I'm looking forward to speaking again very, very soon, and hopefully it'll be an extremely positive conversation.
Yeah, I'll get a copy of the book to you as soon as this copy's available, mate, because it's exposing how the world's controlled in a very here-and-now, in-your-face way, because it's so up-to-date, this book. But the whole thrust of it is what we've been talking about in the last few minutes.
And that's where the answer lies.
We've just forgotten. Well, I can't wait to read that.
And for those that might like to explore your work further, how can they check it out and how can they get online and connect?
Well, there's two ways.
One is davidike.com, where the news is put into context every day.
And context is, of course, what is missing.
You watch the mainstream media, they'll tell you something, something of what is happening, but they won't tell you why it's happening.
Context is what's missing.
So DavidIke.com is about putting the news into context.
Not only is this happening, this is why it's happening.
We've also got a...
A media platform now called Iconic, which is well over 700 series, videos, documentaries, which are added to every week.
And it's something, you know, I think is really something that is necessary.
It's like a one-stop shop.
It covers the whole of The spectrum of subjects in a cutting-edge way.
And it was kind of funny, you know, after one of my interviews was pulled by YouTube and Facebook and then pulled by Vimeo, we've been building our own video player, which we have now for Iconic, but we're about two weeks away from finishing that.
And Vimeo, that were hosting all those 700-odd videos, they just deleted them all in an instant.
They just told us, you know, we've deleted your site.
And so, you know, Jamie, my son, and other members of the team, they...
They spent three days, literally 24-7 in many cases, putting the videos back and they're all there now.
And if people want a seven-day trial on Iconic, they just go and they can have seven days looking around it and looking at the videos and see what they think.
But of course, davidite.com, just go there anytime.
David, thank you so much for joining me today.
I really appreciate your time, your knowledge, your expertise and your resonance.