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March 26, 2020 - David Icke

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Coronavirus - What Is Really Going On? - David Icke Talks To Jimmy Church

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	So, let's get started.
	So, let's get started.
	I would like to welcome back to Fade to Black, Mr. Davis.
	David Icke. David, good evening.
	Good morning, actually, my friend.
	How are you? Yeah, good morning, Jimmy.
	It's 2.30 here, and we are living in Britain in a madhouse.
	Which we are now pretty much locked down and allowed out according to the law for one piece of exercise a day and to buy food and that's pretty much it.
	And you have to look to get a grip of what's happening here.
	What I've been writing about for 30 years in terms of where a global cult that has no borders has been leading the world.
	People thought it was very funny for a long time and even dangerous, what I was saying.
	But when you look at what I have talked about, which is a global takeover, A new economic system that will be all about control and centrally dictated how we will live, if we allow it, in what I've called the Hunger Games Society, which is a society globally in which a tiny few, some give the name 1% to, will be sitting at the top of the pyramid At the bottom will be almost the entirety of the rest of humanity in deprivation and the key word dependency upon the 1%.
	And in the middle between the two holding that status quo in place will be a not even a police state it will be a police military state imposing the will of the 1% upon the population and Stopping the population, challenging the 1%.
	And this whole system would be run, I've been saying, all this time by AI whereby technology is controlling everything and therefore whoever controls the technology is controlling everything and that technology, that smart grid as it's called, could be controlled from a central point ultimately.
	And I've also been saying for decades, and particularly since 2008, and the crash, the economic crash, that there is planned to be an economic crash that you could hear on Mars to destroy the economic system that we have had, which is not, by the way, capitalism.
	It's cartelism.
	And Replace it with this new system which I've been writing about for a long time.
	I've also said that if you want to know what they plan for the West tomorrow, then look at China today because China is the blueprint for this global society.
	You take that into account and then you apply it to what has happened.
	a result of this virus. Right. And every box is being ticked as a result of it in
	terms of what this plan demands. Let me let me jump in really quick David if I
	may. I announced some numbers earlier in the program I don't know if you're
	listening but the as of midnight tonight with the inclusion of India two and a
	half billion that's 2.5 billion people on this planet as of midnight tonight
	will be under some sort of control lockdown curfew or quarantine
	That's about as daunting of a number as I can read.
	And surely it's going to go up.
	But two and a half billion people, David, what do you say when you hear a number like that?
	Well, I'm reluctant to say I told you so.
	It's not me saying, see, I knew.
	This is the point.
	If I knew this was the plan as far back as the early 1990s, how could I know that unless it is a plan?
	And not random.
	Right, right. So when I say, see, I said this then and I said that then, I'm not kind of just, you know, boasting, look at me.
	I'm saying, if I knew then, it's not random, is it?
	It's happening by design.
	And of course, two techniques that I've been writing about again since the 1990s to bring about this Hunger Games Society is Or what I call a problem-reaction-solution.
	Create the problem covertly.
	Blame someone else for it or something else for it.
	Get the population in fear of the problem.
	Demand that you do something or at least be open to you doing what you want to do.
	And then stage three, you openly impose upon the population through laws or militarily, through law enforcement, whatever, the solutions to the problems you have covertly created.
	And the other one that goes along with that is the totalitarian tiptoe, as I call it, whereby You start at A and you know you're going to Z, but you go in steps and every step is projected as unconnected to the other steps until you look back and see how far we've come step by step towards this very totalitarian state.
	Globalization is what?
	It's the centralization of global power in every area of our lives.
	Globalization is just a name.
	For this agenda I've been talking about.
	And more and more and more, as the years and the decades have passed, indeed as the centuries have passed, because it goes back a very, very long way, you've seen this incessant centralization of power.
	We've gone from tribal groupings to national groupings, which were lots of former tribes now centrally controlled.
	And in Europe and other places, like in the European Union, we've gone to a central control of lots of nations.
	And then you've got all the...
	The trade groupings and what have you, which are also ways of centralizing power over many different countries.
	You've got the United Nations, through which this is increasingly being channeled.
	And so these things are not random.
	You know, when challenges come and when things happen in the world, the challenges in and of themselves are Unpleasant and have unpleasant consequences for people, which is very sad.
	But it also does something else in a positive way.
	It gets people's backsides off the fence.
	Because, you know, I said many, many years ago, Jimmy, this has got to get real bad and real far down the road.
	Before it so impacts on people's lives that they stop and say, hold on a minute.
	Let me just pause on the game show.
	Let me pause on the latest crap from Simon Cowell.
	Let me pause from believing the propaganda of CNN and MSNBC and the BBC, etc., And let me just look again at what's happening, because what is going on?
	And there are enormous numbers of people who have bought the official story of what's going on now, but there are enormous numbers of people, new people, who are now reassessing everything because of what's happening.
	You know, people look at this virus and they think health.
	What The greatest legacy of what is happening is going to be, and already is for so many, is economics.
	And like I say, I've been saying that a massive financial crash, that making 2008 look like a tea party, was being planned so that they could use it as an excuse, problem, reaction, solution, To impose this digital AI-controlled economic system.
	Since the very early 1990s, I've been talking in terms of money, that the plan demands the cashless society and the one currency society.
	And that one currency global society will be digital.
	The mopping up of individual currencies by the European Union where the lira and the franc and the peso all kind of were disappeared for the euro.
	These were, as I said at the time, these are stepping stones to this one world currency.
	And, you know, I said, Jimmy, that this situation we're facing now ticks every box.
	What did the World Health Organization, which was created by this cult, to create a central point to dictate health policy and perception of health?
	And he is headed currently by a complete crook called Tedros, who was a health minister in
	the Marxist regime in Ethiopia and was exposed three times for covering up cholera epidemics
	there.
	So this is the man who's now telling us what we should do in relation to this virus.
	And what was one of the things he said?
	Whatever comes out of Tedros' mouth is this cult speaking, by the way.
	He says, avoid cash.
	Yes, that's on the virus.
	Yes.
	Let me let me stop right there for a second, because if if I'm going to go full conspiracy
	right and jump in with both feet and I'm and I do it too easily.
	When that started to propagate, right?
	Don't handle cash because of coronavirus and it can stick on cardboard and paper.
	I saw the writing on the wall.
	Today, when it was announced that part of this stimulus package They were talking about checks being mailed and now they're talking about digital currency being sent out and that the stimulus will be on ATM cards to avoid cash.
	And I got to tell you, David, it's one of those things where I want you to be wrong.
	Right? I do.
	I don't want me to be right.
	I want me to be wrong.
	I wanted me to be wrong for 30 years.
	Unfortunately, that's not the case, as we can see with events.
	Right, right. And they're talking about doing this now.
	This is not...
	Something that is going around in the fringes of conspiracy circles.
	This is being discussed openly in the public about making these changes to a digital currency.
	Is that the point where we go, hold on a minute, wait a minute here, we need to do a reset on this whole conversation?
	Well, I went to London in the middle of last week.
	I did an interview which actually got a million views in 24 hours.
	I saw it. Yeah, I saw it.
	And what that says is it touched a chord with a very large number of people who are not buying this.
	But... The reason I mention that is because on the trip to London, and by the way, London was shut.
	I've been to London so many times in my life.
	I worked there for the BBC for many years.
	And it was a bizarre experience going through London.
	And it will be more empty now because a bigger lockdown has been announced since.
	I got a black cab, you know, classic London black cab from a major London railway station, Waterloo.
	And the guy told me he'd been sitting in the line waiting to get to the front to get a fare for four hours at a major London railway station.
	This is what we're dealing with.
	Anyway, what I'm leading round to is that, you know, on the trip, you buy a cup of coffee, you buy a sandwich, whatever.
	And these are all cash transactions.
	You know, you buy a sandwich, you pay cash, you buy coffee, you pay cash.
	I had cash refused three times.
	In the three times that I stopped to buy something on the trip, I refused cash three times.
	I had to use a card because they weren't taking cash anymore because of this virus.
	So you can see where this is leading.
	And, you know, I have this phrase, Know the outcome and you'll see the journey.
	If you know what the outcome is planned to be, the journey to that outcome day by day and changes in the world is so easy to see.
	If you don't know the outcome planned, then they seem to be random events.
	And so people will look at this virus who don't know the background and they'll say, oh, this is just a virus or we've been unlucky.
	And then I look at all the boxes being ticked in terms of the plan as a result of this virus, and I just see the coordinated outcomes leading to the ultimate outcome, which in overwhelming terms, I would say, in terms of this virus situation, is a dramatic outcome.
	Change in the world economic system.
	A couple of other things, Jimmy.
	I talked a few minutes ago about the Hunger Games Society and how most of humanity would be in the bottom of this pyramid in virtually complete control and dependency upon the 1% that would control the money, of course. And who gets it and who doesn't.
	And what is going to be, even now, never mind weeks to come, even now, what is going to be the result of what has happened?
	It is globally enormous, breathtaking numbers of people are losing, and will go on to lose more, their independent livelihood.
	Their ability to earn their own money independently.
	What is it targeting?
	More than anything, this economic catastrophe.
	Small business, medium business, even some big business that won't necessarily be connected to this cult.
	That's what it's targeting.
	And one of the things, again, I've been saying over the years is this Hunger Games Society It's not meant to have small business.
	You can read this in my books from years ago.
	It's not meant to have small business and medium business.
	It's meant to have everything controlled by mega, centrally controlled corporations that control everything.
	And we have a classic example of exactly what I'm talking about with Amazon.
	Amazon is a classic cult Hunger Games Society company.
	It controls everything. How many small businesses has that destroyed alone?
	And then you go to another side of it, which is very important and something that people really need to be extremely alert about.
	And that's the solution.
	What is being talked about is more and more, as with the cashless society as a result of this, is the so-called guaranteed income.
	The guaranteed income where the government pays people a guaranteed income every month.
	Now, this is something, again, I've been warning about for years.
	You know, all my life, pretty much all my life, you know, from the point I basically became conscious of things, have thought that there should be a level below which no one's allowed to fall within a civilized society.
	I believe that.
	And I have no problem with some kind of Income support where there is a redistribution of the staggering profits of these megacorporations and increasingly as AI takes over the jobs And the ability to find employment is going to be harder and harder and harder.
	And of course, these corporations benefit massively from that, not just in terms of control, but AI doesn't have to be paid wages every week, every month.
	And so their profits vastly increase.
	And so I have no problem with A significant chunk of those profits being redistributed to give people some kind of basic level of life when they have no other means of employment.
	Fine. But that is not what the guaranteed income that's being talked about now is all about.
	It is about control.
	Because if you look to China, In China, you have a technocracy.
	It's run by technology and technologists.
	And that's the blueprint, the global technocracy that is planned.
	But they have been able, because they are a communist tyranny, to basically decide this is going to happen.
	So as a result of that, they are much further along the road to this global society blueprint than the rest of the world, although we're catching up fast.
	This is why there's such a connection between the Silicon Valley corporations and China, because the idea is to bring the Chinese model into the West is already happening.
	And what they have is what they call a social credit system, whereby they have millions of face recognition cameras in their cities.
	And your behavior is tracked in real time, 24-7.
	And your behavior, depending on what it is, gives you social credits or it has them taken away.
	And when you have them taken away to a certain point, then consequences kick in.
	And as I've written in my books over the years...
	Since it started, millions of Chinese people have been banned from flying and banned from even going on trains because of their social credit score.
	So it's a control system.
	And the idea is that they want to bring in a guaranteed income.
	Oh, out of the goodness of our hearts, we want to help you.
	Oh, look at the economic consequences of this virus.
	Isn't it terrible? All the jobs being taken by AI. Oh, yeah, we care for you.
	But what it is, is saying this.
	We're going to pay you a very small amount of money that's barely, if at all, capable of being lived of.
	And it comes with strings because if you do what the government wants, you'll get the guaranteed income.
	If you don't, you won't.
	And by the way, if you want to reject the guaranteed income, look around you, mate.
	Where else are you going to get one from?
	All the jobs have gone.
	And so this is another major element of this.
	So you can understand I'm sitting here and I'm watching these things appear in all their different facets and they're all from the wish list of this global cult.
	What about the other element?
	We're going to be headed towards a break and we can certainly pick this up when we come back.
	There's another part that I need you to help me understand, and I can't figure this out, David.
	The elites and the banks that we know are the major puppet masters here, you know, you always follow the money, we understand that.
	But throwing away $20, $30, $40 trillion virtually overnight and burning it in the streets doesn't seem to help the goal here.
	Or am I missing something?
	Because it's their money as well as mine and yours that has just virtually disappeared.
	Well, they're creating money out of nothing.
	They just create it.
	I mean, look at it.
	You go to a bank and you ask for $100,000.
	They type into your account $100,000.
	But because of what's called fractional reserve lending, they're able to lend massively more than they actually have Sure, we've got about 60 seconds.
	How many? 60 seconds.
	Okay, very quickly. I was approached by a guy in Australia who claimed to be a high freemason.
	I think he was. And he said, I'm one of the good guys.
	I want to help you. And I said, oh, really?
	I got him into conversation. I thought, yeah, we'll see where this goes.
	Then go on. He says, oh, we need to get you some money.
	I said, what do you mean by that? He said, oh, we'll give you a credit card.
	I said, so how does that work?
	He says, well, you put the credit card, you know, like in an ATM, whatever, and you put in a code and money comes out, but it's not registered as coming out.
	And I'm thinking, what?
	He said, yeah, we do it all the time.
	So, you know, there are two economic systems, mate.
	There's one that we, the rest of us, work with and there's one they work with.
	And what they're doing is destroying the one we work with to bring in one that gives them total and utter control.
	Because without cash, you go into a store and your credit card, your microchip as it's supposed to be, The person in the store says, sorry, the system won't accept your card.
	At the moment, you pay cash.
	When cash is gone and that computer says, oh, it won't accept your card, you have no other means of purchase.
	It's all about control.
	That's what the cashless society is.
	And so, you know, that guy I met briefly in Australia was describing how this system works.
	Of course, I told him where to stick it in a place where the sun don't shine.
	But it was a very interesting conversation.
	He was trying to pull me in.
	That's what he was doing. To see that there's two systems like that.
	Yeah, exactly. Let's take our break right here.
	Our guest tonight live from the UK, David Icke.
	And we're going to pick up right where we are leaving off right now.
	But I also want to ask David how he's getting along, how the family is and everything else with the United Kingdom in a virtual shutdown like the rest of the planet.
	I'm your host, Jimmy Church.
	This is Fade to Black. Stay with us.
	We'll be right back.
	Welcome back fade to black.
	I'm your host, Jimmy Church. Tonight, David Icke, live from the United Kingdom.
	Tomorrow night is Fader Night.
	Thursday night, Chris Bledsoe is here.
	We're going to be taking your calls and answering your questions all night long.
	Tonight, David Icke.
	And David, I want to continue where we left off, but before we do, how are you doing?
	Did you... Did you get the house ready?
	Is the family safe?
	Are you guys okay?
	How are you occupying your time?
	Well, you know, it's almost quite amusing really when I look at it because I've been in self-isolation and lockdown as they would call it.
	For about the last 20 years, I spend my time working.
	I'm up at 4 or 5 in the morning and go through the day working.
	And I go to the store to get some food about three times a week.
	And I go for a walk, you know, to get some sun and exercise.
	And that's pretty much my life.
	So my life hadn't really changed as a result of this lockdown.
	But for vast numbers of people, it fundamentally has, actually irreversibly has for many of them.
	My family are fine.
	My boys work fine.
	But from quite a distance away up in the Midlands in Derby and they are fine and we're just getting on with it because this is a time when people are focused on what's going on and their minds become open to perhaps another explanation for what's going on and therefore this is a great time to Especially with people at home and with not a great deal to do often.
	People have the opportunity to get informed on what actually is going on.
	And so it's a time when we're working very hard to do that.
	Thank you.
	the announcement today from Boris Johnson about the 30-pound fine for
	leaving your house without good reason and that fine will be imposed on the
	spot. And in a weird way I see it as good news that if the virus threat is is real
	and people do need to stay at home, okay I get it.
	People ignoring this and going out, you know, there's that part of it.
	Then the other side says to me that this is a way to start moving forward with real control.
	What did you make of the announcement when it happened?
	Well, it's... It's the totalitarian tiptoe.
	You know, I've been saying since this started to appear in Britain, and I think it was in Britain a lot earlier than people imagine.
	I'll come to that in a second.
	But this was going to lockdown.
	How did I know that?
	Because there's a global script.
	That's why. And different countries reach that point in different timescales as the excuse to do it circulates.
	And so it's lockdown.
	And then from lockdown, it's actually you were going to fine you.
	If you go out when you shouldn't.
	And on and on it goes.
	The tiptoe just goes on getting more severe.
	And in terms of Boris Johnson, and I think very much in terms also of Trump from what I've seen, is that they really don't want to go down this road.
	You know, we have professional soccer just in Suspended animation.
	Just stop.
	There is none. And Boris Johnson didn't want to do that.
	He said that the science advice he had is that that wasn't going to be a very significant thing to do in terms of the virus.
	But the football authorities then shut it down almost immediately after he said that.
	So he didn't shut that down.
	And, you know, what you've got You've got this cult and it is borderless.
	It operates in all the major countries that dictate the direction of the world.
	And it does have politicians that serve its interest, absolutely.
	But overwhelmingly, it's what I call the permanent government.
	The permanent government that's always there, no matter which party or president or prime minister is in power.
	If you look at whether it's this Party or that party, you look back with hindsight and you'll see that the world continued in the same direction pretty much.
	The rhetoric may have changed, a bit of emphasis may have changed, but pretty much the world went on in the direction it was going, irrespective.
	And that's because the world is dictated and countries are dictated by the permanent government.
	In fact, you know, we now have a phrase that's emerged to describe what I've been describing since the early 1990s.
	People call it the deep state.
	Deep State is only part of the permanent government, but it is very, very significant because it controls the military and the intelligence networks and government administration, etc., and law enforcement like the FBI. And that's where the agenda comes from, through to the here-today-gone-tomorrow politicians.
	So you've got someone like Boris Johnson, Who came to power in December with a massive majority and he had his economic policy where he wanted to go.
	And suddenly this comes along and completely destroys it.
	And obviously he's not stupid.
	He knows, just as Trump knows, that the more you lock down The more you are going to destroy the economy in a way that's irrecoverable in terms of what it was before, and that he's going to have to oversee that.
	They don't want that.
	Trump's trying to get elected this year, Jim.
	So he is pushing back on it, and Johnson was pushing back on it.
	But imagine you've got people around you From the permanent government, the dark suits, and they're saying, Mr.
	Prime Minister, Mr. President, if you don't do what we say has to be done, i.e.
	this Orwellian lockdown, then this number of people are going to die, and you are going to get the blame for it.
	And where do these figures come from that are terrifying people?
	They come from computer models.
	The same computer models that have completely misread previous viruses that were going to be this global nightmare that turned out not to be.
	By the way, what happened to Ebola in terms of the West?
	What happened to SARS in terms of the West?
	MERS. You know what I mean?
	So the same computer models.
	Computer models are what is dictating policy on human-caused climate hoax, because that's what it is, an absolute hoax.
	And if you look at what is being demanded for a solution to the climate alleged danger, and what's being brought about by this This virus-alleged pandemic, in terms of, you know, we're all going to die, they are the same.
	You know, when you look at what they're calling for to respond to the dangers to the climate, it's a whole new economic system.
	They're both speaking from the same script.
	The alarm bell should be going off all over the place.
	So when you're faced with that, all these people are going to die.
	Our computer models say so, even though they're talking nonsense.
	And when I say enormous numbers of people, I mean some of the figures are just ridiculous.
	And I'll tell you something about that in a second.
	And you're going to cave eventually.
	Almost certainly.
	And Johnson has caved now, and he's just following the script of the permanent government.
	And just in terms, Jimmy, of this virus and its danger, 98% of people, something like that, recover from it.
	According to mainstream medicine, 80% of people This is a quote, very mild symptoms.
	Then you have the next group who have moderate symptoms, leaving a small group of older people and people with other health problems that are in danger, as they are in danger from influenza and what have you.
	In 2017-2018, according to In the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention figures, 45 million Americans got the flu.
	61,000, I've seen figures as high as 80,000, died from it.
	Why weren't we locked down then?
	Why wasn't America locked down then?
	Because, you know, it wasn't the time to play this card.
	Now it is.
	And so the comedy nominator...
	of people who are in danger from this and in danger from other things is a weakened immune system.
	I mean, older people have weaker immune systems.
	They don't have to. You can boost them.
	And by the way, why isn't anyone in the mainstream talking about how to boost your immune system?
	Vitamin A, vitamin D3, vitamin C, etc.
	They're not. Big Pharma, the pharmaceutical cartel, gets its profits from people having weak immune systems.
	So here we have a situation whereby a small number of people are in danger from this virus.
	And the vast majority who get it, and most won't, deal with it fine.
	And yet we're shutting down the world global economic system catastrophically to protect the few who are in danger from it.
	Now, if you're going to cocoon people and you're going to care about the bigger picture, then you cocoon and target your resources on those who are in danger from it.
	And you do whatever you need to do to isolate them from contact with the virus.
	And you make sure they have everything they want.
	And it would cost a fraction of what this is costing.
	And you let everyone else get on with their bloody lives.
	I had this virus, I'm almost certain now, before Christmas.
	So did my son and so did my granddaughter.
	We had every single symptom that is said to be the symptoms of coronavirus.
	And I thought for a start that actually we got something when this broke.
	We had got something which was different but had the same symptoms.
	Now what's happening, Jimmy, is they're pushing back The point where this virus entered Britain, they now got to the point where it was January at the latest, they say, that this came.
	And we got this thing about two weeks, well, actually, in turn, my granddaughter, across Christmas and just before Christmas in terms of me and my son, Gareth.
	And I never stopped working.
	I had all the symptoms.
	It wasn't very pleasant for about, you know, a week.
	And, you know, I do a weekly Review of the developments of the week for subscribers to my website.
	And I had to delay that two days, I remember, because I was coughing the guts up after two sentences.
	So that's what we went through.
	But we came out fine.
	And I want to read you this.
	This was a story that came to light yesterday.
	A friend of mine was looking through the government website, British government website, on this whole virus.
	The major government website that covers all departments.
	And she found this page, which was headed high consequence High Consequence Infectious Diseases, which are known as HCID, High Consequence Infectious Diseases.
	And she nearly fell out of her chair when she came across this.
	And I put it on my website yesterday, and it's been circulating on social media.
	And it says this, status of COVID-19.
	This is an official government site and organization.
	And it says this, As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high-consequence infectious disease, HCID, in the UK. The Four Nations Public Health HCID Group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak.
	Now it says that more is known about COVID-19.
	The public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up-to-date information about COVID-19
	against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed.
	In particular, more information is available about mortality rates, brackets low overall,
	and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test,
	the availability of which continues to increase. The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens
	is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID, a
	high-consequence infectious disease.
	And that was updated to say that on March 19, 2020, and a matter of What, four days later?
	Five days later?
	There's this lockdown on Britain because we're all in such danger from this virus.
	Now, they make no sense whatsoever.
	And we are looking at a massive, massive hyping of this.
	I know no one in Britain who has COVID-19.
	No one in my office run by my boys in Derby knows anyone.
	No one they know knows anyone.
	And that doesn't mean people haven't got it.
	It means the way this is being hyped and promoted by the media is just ridiculous.
	Do you know, Jimmy, I turned on the radio the other day To a station in Britain called Talk Radio Mainstream.
	And I actually heard the presenter say, this is the greatest health crisis the world has ever seen.
	And I'm thinking, does that include the Black Death that wiped out up to 60% of the European population?
	You know, is that included there?
	And so when you take a breath and you look at it in a more considered way and you get out of the survival mechanism responses, you start to see that this is actually not the genocidal virus that even some in the alternative media are claiming it is, which ain't helping. Not a genocidal virus.
	If it was, people of all ages would be going down like ninepins.
	In fact, the overwhelming ones, the common denominator, is a weakened immune system.
	Do you know, these are official figures, Jimmy, from the Italian Health Service.
	99% of people who've died in Italy from this coronavirus Had one, two, three or more other health problems, which meant that their immune system was on its feet, on its last legs, holding on to all these challenges it was having.
	And then it was hit by this and couldn't cope.
	But if you've got an immune system in any way On active duty, it just casts it aside.
	I'm coming up 68.
	I had all these symptoms.
	I never stopped working. It weren't very pleasant, but I never stopped working.
	And you got all of it. Gaz never stopped working, but he had unpleasant symptoms, but never carried on working.
	And so this hyping is driving the fear, which is allowing the solution to To be unfolded with lots of people, nothing like all, but lots of people supporting it.
	Because when the survival mechanism kicks in, We're good to go.
	It thinks that draconian measures will increase its likelihood of survival.
	It will support them and demand that they are imposed on everybody.
	So this is what's being manipulated with all this, the survival mechanism of humanity, this innate fear that so many have of death and fear of the unknown and all that stuff.
	This is... Used all the time to manipulate our behavior and reactions.
	But when you bring your perception out of the survival mechanism into the thinking parts of the brain, the whole thing starts to look different.
	What do we do about the reality side of it where it feels like a science fiction movie playing out, but it's more real, right?
	It is. Yes.
	What do we do with that part of it?
	Because I understand what COVID-19 and coronavirus may or may not be.
	I have a pretty good grip on that, David.
	But like you said, I still have to go shop for my family.
	I'm still king of my castle.
	And I'm going to the markets with empty shelves.
	That part of it is very real for not only myself, but for a lot of people on this planet.
	That's the part that we need to deal with today.
	Yeah, but the thing is that you see...
	And by the way, I'm not saying they don't have viruses that are genocidal.
	I'm sure they do. They have a...
	A population color gender.
	What I'm saying is, unless there's mutations, this is not it.
	The goal of this, overwhelmingly from the cult's point of view, is to destroy the world economy.
	And so they can put their one waiting in the shadows into place.
	That doesn't mean that people won't die from this.
	People are dying from this.
	But, you know, let's just put it into...
	You know, every year, on average, 17,000 people in Britain die from the flu.
	In 2014, it was 28,000.
	So if we were dealing with those figures now, with COVID-19, I mean, crikey, what the hell will be happening?
	And this happens as a matter of course every year.
	So we just need to take a breath, keep calm, and look at this from...
	A calm perspective, and it will look different.
	Yeah, I mean, I go to the supermarket about three times a week.
	You know, I'm fine.
	You know, I've just changed what I eat, because I'm just eating what basically other people don't seem to want, which are short-time sell-by dates.
	And, you know, I buy stuff like that all the time.
	So, you know, I don't buy long-term sell-by-date food, which is the stuff that's basically going.
	But, you know, this cult may be sick, beyond human imagination sick, and psychopathic, beyond human imagination psychopathic, but it's very clever in the way that it understands the human psyche.
	And by the way, all the time...
	That people are posting on social media, posting on the internet, all these other means in which they're communicating their thoughts and communicating their actions.
	All that is being absorbed by AI. So AI gets an incredibly advanced understanding.
	Of how the human psyche works.
	And then it can be used, of course, to manipulate the human psyche.
	This is how it works.
	So if people imagine a line of dominoes all over a room that you see sometimes, they know that when you press the first one, the second one's going down, the third one's going down, they know the sequence is going to start.
	So in terms of this virus, once they got the fear out there, And what have you.
	Then suddenly they knew the second one was going down and the third and the fourth.
	And one of those was going to be people hitting survival mechanism mode and going to the stores and buying everything that moves.
	I think it's a funny story anyway, and such a classic story of reports now that people are taking toilet rolls back, see if they can get money back on them because they realize they don't need anything like as many as they bought.
	Yeah, they bought too much.
	You know, I mean, it's crazy.
	I mean, you know, if you run out of toilet paper, use the morning papers.
	I mean, what's more appropriate, you know?
	Yeah, there's always a backup.
	We need to take a break right here, David.
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	Hey, David, check this out.
	Facebook's AI definitely does not like you.
	I don't know why.
	We stream out on 10 or 12 different platforms, and the stream going to Facebook, which is always solid, we've restarted it five times.
	Everything else is fine, but...
	They just keep blocking your stream.
	It must be your name in the title.
	Yeah. The thing is that when you kind of appreciate how this cult works, how it's a global web, things start to make total sense.
	See, if you're going to control billions of people, Well, they want to connect the human brain to AI, and then they'll control direct.
	But up to that point, before that point, you have to control through their perception, because their perception becomes their behavior.
	And behavior comes from perception, and perception comes from information received.
	This is why they want to dominate the narrative, because they want to program people's perceptions of reality over this situation and any other situation.
	And so the Silicon Valley giants, your Facebooks and your Googles and your YouTubes owned by Google and your Twitters, all these people, all these companies are owned by the cult.
	People like Bryn and Page at Google and Wachowski at YouTube and Zuckerberg at Facebook, they're not running those companies.
	Ultimately, they are fronts for those companies.
	And the real power is in the shadows.
	And so you dominate the narrative through your mainstream media.
	But there's also a problem with another narrative, which might give people another perception possibility that you also have to deal with.
	And that's what all the censorship is about.
	I did this video...
	With London Real last Wednesday, within 24 hours it had passed a million views worldwide and suddenly you couldn't find it on YouTube.
	You know when you put in keywords and up came a lot of my videos from the keywords and at the top of this list Was someone who seems to be obsessed with trying to undermine my work.
	Emphasis on the trying.
	The man's an idiot. But he had 1,000 views at that time.
	But he was at the top of the list of keywords for my videos.
	Right. And they've sorted out the algorithms so that whenever that video of mine comes up, he is the next video that follows it.
	I mean, it's unbelievable. It's so blatant.
	And I went to the, you know, where they say videos by viewing numbers and they had the viewing numbers and where the video was that I did on the coronavirus, it jumped from one number to another and that video wasn't there.
	And it's so blatant.
	What they're doing, they are trying to control the narrative.
	Now, this tells you something.
	Whenever anyone is trying to stop other explanations for something, it means that The people involved have no confidence in the credibility of the narrative they're pushing.
	I have no problem with other people having different opinions to me and different views and perceptions to me because I'm confident that I have enough backup information to support what I'm saying and that that information will stand up to scrutiny.
	But if you have a narrative that you know won't stand up to scrutiny, you just stop the scrutiny.
	If you can't win a debate, then you don't have a debate.
	That's what political correctness and cancelling people and deplatforming, as they call it, is all about.
	It's shutting down the debate, whether it's transgender or climate change or whatever it is.
	You see, if you have a different opinion, then you are shut down, or they attempt to shut you down.
	Why? Because they know they can't win the debate on the facts, and they can't win the debate on the facts over this virus either.
	So they're shutting down the alternative opinion.
	And you see, six weeks before this virus became publicly known, There was a simulation run by the World Economic Forum, which is the 1% Fest organization that meets in Davos every year.
	That's right. And the big promoters of Greta Thunberg, by the way, and climate change caused by humans.
	And they...
	We're in league with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
	If Bill Gates is pushing it, it's bad for humanity.
	That works every time, virtually.
	Even if it seems to be good for humanity, when you know why they're doing it, you realize it's bad for humanity.
	This guy is funding the whole wish list of this cult through this foundation.
	Actually, let me jump in for a second.
	I want to back up to what we were talking about, which is the AI monitoring world reaction.
	And I feel, I'm sure you're seeing the same things, that...
	Although we're facing this economic situation, that there has been a general uplift of humanity, of kindness, of helping neighbors.
	Suddenly, wars don't matter.
	That's been removed from the headlines.
	The helicopters that run 24-7 over Los Angeles with searchlights chasing criminals...
	That's virtually done.
	Can you imagine, David, here in Los Angeles, a city with no sirens and police helicopters?
	That's all ended.
	What does the AI do with the reaction of the world that it is now a kinder, gentler place?
	Because it appears that the criminals are scared of coronavirus, too, as well, and everybody's staying at home.
	The thing to remember, Jimmy, is this is temporary.
	You know, they'll go back to those things.
	You think amnesia is going to kick in?
	This is temporary, yeah.
	Well, I mean, you know, you look at how much kind of people are to each other around Christmas often.
	Oh, compliments of the season.
	Rest of the year, they won't even, you know...
	Acknowledge you in the street.
	So, you know, we shouldn't judge a situation by the temporary nature of it because they'll go back to that.
	This is a particular situation they've created to advance their agenda in a giant leap.
	And what I was saying about this simulation with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is Together with the Johns Hopkins organization, which the American media, I notice, are getting their information about this virus about, they had a simulation six weeks before this virus became publicly known on how they would react to, now what was it again?
	Oh yeah, a coronavirus.
	And you can see it on, it was called Event 201, you can see it on the internet, it was recorded.
	And these people are talking about how they would react to this pandemic, which was already probably running in China by then and certainly was very soon running publicly in China and then around the world.
	And what they were saying in part was that we must control the narrative.
	And we must look to the Silicon Valley corporations in effect to help us control the narrative.
	And exactly that has unfolded since Since this happened, what they were talking about was a dry run of what's actually happening.
	Then someone sent me, a friend of mine, a document published by the Rockefeller Foundation.
	You know those lovely Rockefeller people who care so much about humanity.
	They produced this document in 2010 and it was a series of scenarios and how The world would react to them.
	And one of them was a pandemic of an influenza virus.
	And what they were describing in terms of how the world would change is virtually word for word what is happening.
	It said that China would invoke very draconian measures And then the world would respond, the rest of the world would respond, but not in the same draconian way initially as China.
	And people would look to China and say, oh, look, you know, they've sorted it out, what they did, etc.
	Which, you know, oh, yeah, well, maybe that's a better way of doing things.
	And here you have this guy, Tedros, At the World Health Organization, praising China as the way it should be done, which is exactly what this Rockefeller Foundation document said in 2010, that China would be praised for the draconian things that it did.
	And it also went on to say that as the thing moved on, more and more draconian measures will be introduced in the West.
	So these things are not happening by accident.
	They're happening by design. And if you think about it, once you kind of put a virus out there, and I think this has been dropped in a few places, I think Italy's got a much more virulent version of it.
	And they then react to it, especially with all the hype through the media.
	And it takes on a momentum of its own.
	Every politician doesn't need to be in on it.
	Most politicians are utterly, utterly clueless about how the world works and what's going on.
	Just pawns in a game they don't understand.
	And it's the permanent government that's driving it.
	So the permanent government drives the response once the perception of a virus out there is ingrained.
	And it takes on a momentum of its own.
	People say, oh yeah, I know it's kind of a police state, but we've got to be protected from the virus.
	and so it goes on.
	Right.
	And this is why we need to move our point of perception from the reptilian brain back
	in the brainstem, which is the reaction survival mechanism, and put it in the forward part
	of the brain where we can calmly look at facts and not just come from, oh my God, emotion.
	Well, what do we do, David, with the published numbers, not only from the WHO, the World
	Health Organization, but independent sources too as well, which show if the trend continues
	right now, I'm just talking about hard numbers, and this is what the public sees.
	The United States is going to overtake China next week with total numbers here.
	And at that point, the population of the United States is going to be forced into a reaction no matter what our president says or wants to do.
	The numbers are presented them in a very pragmatic black and white fashion.
	Where it was a big deal in China, now we've passed China, now it's a really big deal.
	We need to do something.
	What do we do about that?
	Well, again, if you react to the projected numbers from the survival mechanism, you will go, oh my God, we're not going to die!
	Do anything, anything! But if you then bring it to the thinking part of the brain, you say, well, hold on a minute.
	How do we know the number of people that have been diagnosed with coronavirus actually have it?
	I mean, they are overwhelmingly diagnosing on symptoms.
	But those symptoms are the same as other things that people get, particularly in the winter.
	So how do you know that they've got this or got that?
	You don't. And, you know, this lady, Deborah Blicks, who is the coordinator of the White House Coronavirus Response Team organization, she said last week that in South Korea, where they have possibly more than any other country in the world had mass testing, she said that 96% of Of people that were...
	No, no, she didn't.
	She said 96% plus of people who were tested in South Korea tested negative.
	They were tested because of symptoms and they were found that the symptoms were coming for something else because it wasn't coronavirus because they didn't test positive.
	And then she said, and our testing so far in America is about the same.
	And then you have the U.S. Library of Medicine doing a study and publishing on their website about the number of false positives in terms of coronavirus diagnosis.
	And the potential numbers of what are false positives are vast, massive numbers.
	None of this appears in the mainstream media.
	And that's the Library of Medicine in the United States.
	And so we see the numbers, but what do the numbers actually mean except that they're numbers?
	You know, it's like that scene from Notting Hill, the movie, where the character...
	Ginny Roberts is asking where this guy's house is, and she says, look, give it me in yards.
	Right. Okay, over this coronavirus, give it me in yards.
	Don't give me numbers.
	Show me that those numbers relate to people having coronavirus, because you don't know that.
	You are assuming.
	And, you know, the symptoms are so...
	The same as other illnesses and diseases that people have, that you cannot take these numbers on face value.
	In fact, you can't take anything that the system says on face value because it's trying to manipulate you into a certain perception so you will react with a certain behavior.
	So we need to look at the facts and not just accept what these people say.
	And if we do that, then things don't look the same as they do if you react with emotion only.
	Now, I don't do politics on this show, as you know.
	We've discussed this many, many times.
	But I do do the conspiracy of politics, and I enjoy that.
	One of the things that the entire world witnessed Was President Trump saying one thing when this all kicked off, we're going to have this under control, it's five cases today, it's going to be one tomorrow, everybody relax, this is not a big deal, to fully engaged and fully on board about the seriousness of this crisis and this is a national thing and then all bets were off at that point and we were off to the races.
	How did he flip so quickly?
	I mean, what kind of pressure was he under to do that, David?
	Well, for reasons I described earlier, tremendous pressure.
	Now, I mean, again, let's look at the facts.
	There is some kind of virus circulating, yes, and it is contagious.
	Yes. So you're going to have numbers increase, but for reasons I've just mentioned about how do you know it's coronavirus if you're not testing for it, maybe the size of the numbers come under question.
	But according to the mainstream system, 80% of people Some get very mild symptoms, some not even any symptoms at all.
	And then you've got others with moderate symptoms.
	Then you've got this small number who are in danger from it.
	And they're the ones, like I say, that all the resources and all the cocooning should be focused upon.
	And so the numbers are going to increase.
	Until it flatlines.
	And this thing will start flatlining when this cult thinks we've done enough to shift the psyche, we've done enough to destroy the economic system that we're going to get what we want now, now we can flatline it.
	And you'll see that happen.
	And, you know, I think there are other elements involved in this technological, like 5G, that are very, very important to appreciate.
	But then, as this happens, you've got the situation that Boris Johnson has faced.
	Look, Mr. President, you know, look at the numbers going up.
	And, you know, lots of people are going to die.
	Our computer models say so.
	The figure could be as high as so-and-so and so-and-so.
	Pull it out of the air. Just make it big.
	And you are going to be blamed for it if you don't do this.
	And even so, even despite that, I was watching just before I came on air with you, I was watching a clip of Trump in the very recent hours in which he's still pushing back to an extent on the fact that this...
	These lockdowns have to go on for a long time.
	We passed legislation in Britain, or we're in the process of passing it now, which basically suspends democracy.
	I think the window before it has to be renewed is about two years.
	It suspends democracy. The government has given itself powers where it can do what it bloody likes.
	These things are not happening to protect the population.
	You know, I've said in the last few days, give you an example in Britain.
	You'll know the situation in America.
	In Britain, people in the generations that are now elderly, they live through a world war.
	They live through economic deprivation.
	They've worked all their lives and paying in taxation and goodness knows how many other means into the system.
	But at the end of their lives, they are given something called a pension.
	When you get to a certain age, you get a government pension.
	The government pension is a pittance.
	And it makes most people, during the winter months particularly, have to choose, elderly people, between whether they're going to be warm or whether they're going to be hungry.
	They have to eat terrible food because that's all they can afford.
	They can't afford to boost their immune system with nutrients because they can't afford to buy them, and no one's telling them they need to anyway.
	Mm-hmm. And they're sitting there in the winter, in the cold, frightened of putting the fire on because of the energy bill.
	And now we are being asked to believe that the same system that does that to old people is shutting down the world economy Irreversibly in terms of its present structure to protect old people.
	It's an insult to the intelligence.
	And when the system is telling you it wants to protect you, it's time to run for the hills because it doesn't.
	The other element of this is the recovery time.
	David, we've got about three minutes before the break.
	The recovery time of the economic devastation.
	I'm talking about the layoffs, the hotels, the service industry, the bartenders, the restaurants, the production, the factories that are shut down that are going to have to restart.
	The list is a mile long, as you know.
	In every country. In every country.
	That process is going to take forever in which everybody's going to suffer and certainly the money's got to come from somewhere.
	But when we talk about the elderly and the way that everybody's affected and them who we're talking about protecting right now are probably going to be last on the list and they're going to be hit the hardest.
	Yeah, and a lot of people will be dying not from the virus, but from the economic deprivation that follows the government reaction.
	Something else is going to happen, of course, and that is that wages are going to be driven down because the job market is going to be colossal with people looking for jobs.
	People are losing their homes.
	Never mind, you know, they're just...
	Basic income.
	They're losing the roof over their head.
	How many more homeless people are there going to be?
	That will be good for their health, won't it?
	As a result of this, literally all over the world.
	So this is a scam.
	I'm not saying there's no virus.
	I'm not saying that some people are not dying from it who have overwhelmingly compromised immune systems.
	But to Destroy the world economy and to bring that mayhem upon the world for a virus which 80% of people have very mild symptoms or no symptoms is absolutely insane.
	And what you're doing, you see, is your economic reaction, which the great vast amount of it will go to these corporations.
	Do you know the Anti-Defamation League?
	The massively funded Israel front in America to shut down dissent against or criticism of Israel is demanding a bailout from the government because of coronavirus.
	So this is going to be a pig trough for the corporations and the elite and But even on that sense, we're going to do this money or give this money, these loans, whatever.
	Loans which have to be paid back, of course.
	And if you haven't got an income, how are you going to do that?
	But it's targeting all these people.
	And so it is so thin.
	Whereas if you just cocooned Those who are in mortal danger from this virus, it would cost a fraction and it would all be focused upon the people that are in danger and not across the board where it's going to basically make no difference whatsoever to the lives of the vast, vast majority. I've got to take a break right here.
	Let's get that in.
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	I'm your host, Jimmy Church. Tonight, David Icke, live from the United Kingdom.
	Great conversation.
	Man, I always learn. I get my learn on when David is on the show.
	Tomorrow night is Fader Night.
	Open lines all night long, so you want to get ready for that.
	David, I want to shift gears, not shift gears.
	I'm going to stay in the same direction.
	But there are those out there that are equating what is going on To like a fake alien invasion, right?
	A way to freak out the entire planet and that there is something else much more sinister going on here.
	And then I kind of, my mind wants to actually...
	Blend these two ideas together and think that maybe that's exactly what is going on, that it is completely orchestrated.
	And the other part is, does ET have any play in this at all?
	And I'm just trying to make sense out of this.
	And right now, every theory and idea is on the table for me.
	Well, of course, I've been writing about this for 30 years, nearly, in terms of the non-human element to this.
	This cult is a vehicle within human society, within our band of frequency that we operate in, to manipulate humanity for a non-human force, a non-human force that's described in endless ways Ancient documents, books, legends.
	You know, Christianity talks about demons.
	Islam talks about the jinn.
	The Gnostics talked about the archons.
	The Zulus talk about the Chittahuri, and so on and so forth.
	There's a non-human force that's behind this.
	And the secret societies and the satanic organizations, they are in their satanic organizations in totality, but the secret societies at their core are interacting with this non-human force.
	And, you know, I've pointed out or asked the question, what do you think artificial intelligence really is?
	Oh, yes, there's a level of it that's algorithms.
	But then you have learning AI, which learns from information received.
	And then you have other levels of AI, which are actually a form of consciousness.
	And this non-human force in its prime form does not take form.
	It's just a form of awareness, a very imbalanced, distorted form of awareness.
	And it is seeking to assimilate Human consciousness into itself.
	Because one of the things that this force doesn't have, because it is basically what we would call AI, just as the cult, the cult personnel, the inner core cult personnel, they're not actually human.
	They are, too, a form of biological AI. It may sound fantastic, but they are.
	And this is the reason why they do not have empathy.
	This is why they're psychopaths.
	What is the top trait that a psychopath does not have?
	Empathy. I'm sitting in front of a computer now.
	If I use the computer to send out psychopathic diatribes and attacks, or I send out information that makes people feel emotionally hurt, Will the computer that is the vehicle for doing that have any emotional response?
	None at all. It will just do it.
	Because it's a computer system.
	It's a software program.
	And this cult in its core form is a biological software program.
	It's why it has no emotion.
	It has no emotional consequences for its actions.
	And empathy is the fail-safe mechanism of behavior.
	If you have empathy, if you can put yourself in the feelings of those you are affecting, that changes the nature of your behavior because you're getting an emotional effect.
	A consequence for what you're doing in the form of empathy.
	When you don't have empathy, there are no limits.
	These software programs we call the elite, they don't Have emotional consequence.
	And so they have no limits on what they will do.
	You know, the mayhem and the suffering that they will cause with what's going on now has no emotional impact on them, just as it will not have any emotional impact on the computer that I'm sitting in front of.
	So it is a non-human and a...
	This world phenomenon.
	One is interacting with the other.
	Who do people think the Satanists are actually interacting with in their rituals?
	They're not interacting with no one.
	They're interacting with another force that is very, very disturbed and very, very...
	Distorted in its perceptions.
	And this is why Satanic ritual actually goes on.
	And what they're doing is, and I'm going to bring this around to this virus in a second.
	Sure. What they're doing is they're creating what I've been writing about for decades and describing as a technological sub-reality.
	Which is a technological, people call it the cloud, electromagnetic sub-reality.
	To which the human mind is going to be connected to via AI. We're talking about the year 2030, which is a year that comes up in all directions from this cult, 2030.
	So you are a mind incarnate in this reality, but that is only one level of you.
	You are a point of attention within an infinite state of awareness.
	And if you open your mind literally and let expanded levels of yourself come in, you see reality in a completely different way.
	Instead of being mind-only focused and being in this world and of this world, all your perceptions come from this world, Then when you open your mind and expand your consciousness, you are in this world on one level, but you are not of this world in your perceptions of it.
	What this cult wants to do and has been working to do for a long time is to disconnect mind, incarnate mind, five sense mind, if you like, from expanded awareness.
	And so it's creating this...
	Technological sub-reality through technologically generated electromagnetic fields, the latest level of it we call 5G, which has phenomenal implications for humanity, both, quote, physically and psychologically.
	It's already happening.
	Instead of you connecting to expanded awareness, you connect to this technological sub-reality, which then feeds you your perceptions.
	This is what the brain connection to AI is all about.
	And so we have had this explosion now, increasingly so, Of 5G around the world, which operates in the millimeter band and is extremely destructive and can deliver whole perceptions to people.
	Now, I want to read you a quote.
	It's by a guy called Arthur Furstenberg, who is the author of a book called The Invisible Rainbow, A History of Electricity and Life.
	And what he does in that book is he charts, as part of it, the physical health reaction to changes in the electromagnetic field caused by the introduction of different levels of technological radiation, like radar and stuff.
	And he shows in the book that Major epidemics, quote, pandemics like Spanish flu in 1918 and others that followed, Hong Kong flu and all the different names they give them, have followed dramatic changes in the Earth's magnetic field caused by technological radiation changes.
	And this is the quote.
	And remember, this quote is from 2018.
	Before coronavirus, in its form now, and before 5G. Every time we have dramatically changed the properties of the Earth's magnetic field, it has had dramatic effects on health down here on Earth.
	Now, what has happened immediately preceding This coronavirus, the introduction of 5G, which takes the whole impact on the human organism to stratospheric levels, even by standards that have gone before.
	And while this virus is unfolding, we are seeing psychopaths, and that's what he is, like Elon Musk, getting permission to To put a million antenna on the ground to interact with the tens of thousands of satellites that he is in the process of sending up through SpaceX to beam 5G at the Earth.
	He is creating, he's the front man to create, this Ultimate, well not even ultimate because they want to go to 6G as well, but this massive step into this technological sub-reality.
	And on the base level, the body is an electromagnetic field.
	It's a wave field of information.
	And this technological radiation, 5G being the massive next step.
	Right. It is sending out electromagnetic waves of increasing power.
	This is impacting on the wave field of the body, which plays through to the physical levels of the body as we perceive them.
	And one of the massive impacts that it has is unraveling the immune system.
	And we're only in the first stages of 5G being rolled out, without testing, by the
	way, which they've admitted, because they say we are going to delay it.
	That's right.
	Now, what is the Chinese city that had the first rollout of a smart city 5G system?
	Should I guess?
	And in the preceding period before all this started, we have a British company, among many others, as well as Musk, who is sending out these satellites.
	We're having the astronomy world.
	Saying it is destroying our ability to see the heavens because of all these satellites and there's tens of thousands to come.
	Who said that AI could be the end of humanity and then starts a company called Neuralink to connect computers to the human brain, Elon Musk.
	That's right. And in the press release, when I read the announcement about the...
	The FCC license for Musk for these one million satellite broadband user terminals to be distributed, a couple of things caught my attention.
	And one of the things that Elon said, and this is a quote, he said it at a satellite industry conference a couple of weeks ago.
	He said that the user terminals, these one million terminals that are going to be distributed, check this out, David, this is a quote.
	He says they look like a UFO on a stick.
	I saw that. Yeah, you saw that, right?
	And you just wave these things around and you get a direct connection to 5G. And that these 1 million terminals are just the start.
	It's not anything to cover the United States yet.
	We have 350 million homes.
	That is the ultimate goal, is to get 300 million terminals like this across the United States.
	And if that doesn't send up red flags, what do we have to do to make people aware of this?
	Well, ask yourself, well, one of two things is true here, because there's not an alternative to these two.
	Either Elon Musk...
	Is a monumental idiot.
	Which he's not. We know that.
	Without half a brain cell on active duty.
	Right. Or he absolutely knows what the impact of this is going to be.
	And what is happening.
	It's a technological sub-reality.
	I wrote in my books years and years ago about the fact that they want to cover every inch of the planet with Wi-Fi and Because that's the means that they're going to connect AI to the human brain.
	And I said, if they're going to do that, they're going to have to beam it from satellite.
	And now all these tens of thousands of satellites have been given approval to go up there to do just that.
	This is not science fiction.
	It's science fact.
	And, you know, people have laughed at me decade after decade, year after year, all that nutter-ike, even in the alternative media.
	What we're seeing now is the fact that maybe the nutter wasn't quite so crazy.
	No, not quite. Not quite.
	But there was...
	You're a little crazy.
	But David, seriously, I remember...
	I want to refresh the audience's mind and certainly yours.
	Many years ago, you had said something that scared me to my core, and I've never forgotten it.
	And you said it in passing one night, but you said, look, we're sitting around all of these Wi-Fi signals.
	They're all around us, beaming information, movies, television, ideas, and data.
	It's all around us.
	What is stopping that from entering our heads with anything that they want to feed us, including a simulated reality?
	And David, you said it so simply, but it shook me to my core.
	I mean, what is the difference?
	These alternate realities literally are inside of our homes.
	They're out on the street.
	These signals are everywhere, and with the introduction of 5G, now we get it in high-speed 4K definition, don't we?
	Well, this is the next stage.
	They are creating a reality for us to download, decode, into a perception of reality.
	We actually do live in a simulation.
	I was writing this at the turn of the millennium, That we live in a simulation.
	And now loads of mainstream scientists have come along and said, actually, it does look as if we do.
	I was talking back in the well before the millennium that we live in a holographic reality.
	It's not actually physical.
	It's holographic.
	It's illusory physical.
	Now you've got mainstream scientists saying, well, you know, The holographic reality is almost becoming mainstream in, you know, the perception of this is what it looks like we're dealing with.
	Including Elon Musk, by the way.
	Yeah, but see, someone like Elon Musk, unless he is a complete idiot, will know it's a holographic reality.
	Oh, I think it's so-and-so.
	Oh, maybe it could be this.
	Well, you bloody know. So, if Elon Musk told me my name, I would have to find my passport and check just to confirm.
	And the same with all these Silicon Valley celebrities, Zuckerbergs and all these people.
	And you're Bill Gates.
	Bill Gates.
	If Bill Gates is funding it, it's terrible for humanity, I think I mentioned earlier.
	And so all these people keep turning up, turning up.
	Who wants to vaccinate the world?
	Bill Gates.
	Who is developing A means, it already exists for sure, but saying he's developing and funding, a means to electronically track who has been vaccinated and who hasn't through an organization called Gavi, Bill Gates. Whose organization was involved in the coronavirus simulation just before the real thing happened?
	Bill Gates. Gates, your musks and all these people.
	Do you know I talked earlier It's fascism, quote, communism, in the way it plays out in terms of tyranny, but it's actually run not by elected people or not by political dictators so much as by bureaucrats, technocrats, scientists and engineers.
	Elon Musk's grandfather, Was the head of the technocracy party seeking just such a society in Canada in the 1930s.
	Is that right? Is that another coincidence?
	Is that right? I'm trying to think of the guest that we've had on talking about technocracy and the movement that happened back in the 30s.
	I've got to reach back out to him and ask him about this.
	I did not know that, David.
	Yeah, his grandfather was the head of the technocracy party in the 1930s.
	And now he's involved with SpaceX in Tesla.
	And Neuralink, etc., etc., in all the areas that are creating this ability to have a technologically AI-generated technocracy.
	And by the way, you know, this whole thing with Elon Musk and electric cars, electric cars which are being justified by, we must save the world from climate change caused by humans, which is actually not the case.
	And They are simply a stepping stone.
	You see, this smart grid, this technological sub-reality, is meant to have every area of human life controlled by AI, including travel.
	So at the moment, you get in a petrol-driven car or diesel-driven car, and you drive to where you want to go.
	Where this is going is autonomous vehicles Where the computer decides the limits of where you can go.
	Because if the system doesn't want you to go there, the autonomous vehicle will not take you there.
	This is where it's leading.
	Now, autonomous vehicles can't operate with petrol engines, diesel engines.
	They are electrical phenomena.
	So this introduction of electric cars is nothing to do with protecting the environment and everything to do with a totalitarian tiptoe towards electrically operated autonomous vehicles.
	And by the way, in terms of the environment, people should just check out the impact in the Congo, in Africa, on children.
	Of the digging up of the resources that are necessary, not just for electric car batteries, but also for the technology of smartphones and smart technology.
	Just look at the environmental catastrophe that's happening there and the human catastrophe, which is fantastic.
	Feeding the resources necessary for Tesla and Apple and all these companies.
	It's catastrophic.
	It's disgusting.
	It's beyond human.
	It is psychopathic.
	And we have this green movement, this climate cult, this woke mentality that's being played like a stringed instrument, demanding all the things that the 1% wants while claiming it is challenging the 1%.
	It is pathetic.
	And it's about time that mentality, which of course has taken over the Democratic Party in America, looked in the mirror and asked itself a few questions.
	Because this Green New Deal It's simply the new economic order that the 1% wants.
	Why do these wokers think that psychopathic people like George Soros are...
	Why is he funding to the tune of tens of billions of dollars this whole woke movement?
	Why do they think they're doing that?
	He's doing that. A man who says about his business dealings, I don't consider the social consequences of what I do.
	I'm just there to make money.
	Why is he funding this woke mentality worldwide?
	Because out of the goodness of his heart, out of his empathy for the rest of humanity.
	His kindness. Yeah, his kindness.
	Hey, David, let's take our break right here.
	Oh, by the way, the technocracy expert and author was Patrick Wood.
	Yeah, he's very good.
	Patrick's very good on technocracy.
	Yeah, he's amazing.
	Let's take our break right here because when we come back, David, we need solutions.
	And I'm going to get those out of you next.
	So you just stay right there.
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	What an amazing conversation tonight.
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	I'm your host, Jimmy Church, on the Game Changer Network and KGRA, the planet.
	Tonight our guest, live from the UK, the United Kingdom, Mr.
	David Icke.
	And we're doing a little overtime, David.
	I want to get to some solutions.
	Before we get to that, I want to say this.
	Please tell Gareth and Jamie you have two very talented, intelligent sons that are great
	friends of the program.
	And just please tell them hello for us and that I hope everything over there is cool.
	And I wanted to get that out of the way.
	Second, I look at things as strength in numbers.
	And I can see the planet taking this the opposite way.
	You know what I mean?
	Rising up going, you know what?
	Enough is enough.
	The old way just isn't working, hasn't worked for us, and we need to do something else here.
	Is that a possibility?
	What are the solutions? Oh, very much.
	First of all, my sons are fantastic.
	They have all the talents necessary to massively support what I do.
	I wouldn't want two other people on the planet working with me more than them.
	They're just fantastic.
	Absolutely. But the situation is, in terms of numbers, quite straightforward.
	We are heading towards 8 billion people.
	And the number of those in full knowledge of what they're doing is by comparison absolutely almost infinitesimally small.
	So the few control the many via many of the many.
	You know, if you are running law enforcement and dictating law enforcement, You only have to control those positions in law enforcement that are making the decisions.
	When you look at a pyramid system of an organization, say the FBI, whatever, you only need to control very few key positions to run the system because everyone's just taking orders from everyone else.
	This is how the few in the pyramid structure control the entire pyramid.
	People below them at different levels give orders to different levels and everyone carries them out but the orders ultimately are coming from a tiny few at the top.
	So we can acquiesce or we can say no we're not doing that.
	And when that happens everything changes.
	You see I have this Well, it was actually a personal story.
	It actually happened.
	I was standing a long time ago by this field, and this enormous flock of sheep started coming down towards the gate.
	And the guy standing in front was the shepherd, had one of these sticks in his hand.
	And they were following him, all of them, a very large number of sheep.
	And those that kind of got slightly out of line, the sheep dog, symbolizing fear, Was barking them into line.
	And they all went down and they went through the gate just as they did every other day, bah, bah, bah.
	And I stood there and I thought, well, I'm looking at the human race here.
	And what happened or what would happen if loads of those sheep started going off in different directions and refusing to follow the one in front and not succumbing to fear from the sheepdog?
	Very quickly, the shepherd and the sheepdog would have lost complete control of those sheep.
	Where would they start?
	They're going off in all directions.
	And all they've done is decide that they're not going to follow the narrative anymore.
	And they're not going to behave as they're told to behave anymore.
	Now, crucial to this is the sheepdog.
	Because the currency of control is fear.
	This is why this coronavirus situation has become so effective for the cult.
	It's because it's based on fear.
	And we come back to this innate fear of death and the unknown, which are actually the same thing.
	So where does fear of death come from?
	It comes overwhelmingly from a perception of That we are our labels.
	We are our names.
	We are our sex. We are our race.
	We are our religion. We are our life story.
	When in fact, what we are is consciousness, eternal, constantly exploring forever consciousness.
	We are a point of attention Within the same stream of consciousness.
	So my point of attention is called David Icke.
	Your point of attention currently, it's very transitory in this reality, it's called Jimmy Church.
	And we will perceive from our point of attention situations in either slightly or very different ways.
	And that's what we call personality.
	But If you are coming from the label point of view, then things look very different.
	You can be in fear.
	What happens after my labels die?
	Oh my God!
	And therefore, you are easy to manipulate with threats to that survival, which we talked about earlier, the survival mechanism.
	Whereas when you re-identify, re-self-identify with the fact that we are a point of infinite awareness, which can be the size of a pea or infinite in its range, depending on how much we open our minds, then death is seen for what it is.
	You know what death is, very simply?
	It is a transfer of of attention.
	That's all it is.
	This body focuses our attention on a tiny band of frequencies called visible light, which is what we call the world.
	We think it's everything we see.
	It's not. It's just a band of frequency.
	And when what we call death, that point of attention is transferred from the Focus the myopia of the body to become what it is, which is expanded awareness, an expression of all that is, has been and ever can be.
	And this is what is happening in India, death experience, when people in their millions have described leaving the body and a completely different, massively expanded reality starts to appear.
	And it's incredibly different to the one they've been experiencing.
	So all death is, is a transfer of attention.
	From one reality to another.
	Now, once you realize that and you're coming from that position, then the first thing that goes is fear of death.
	Right. Fear of death disappearing means that the ability to trigger your survival mechanisms, except in situations where you need them, like, you know, someone walks in front of your car and you need to whack the brakes on, that disappears, that ability to manipulate you.
	So in terms of this virus, instead of sitting here shaking, oh my God, what if I get it?
	And what if this happens?
	And what if that happens? You're at peace with it all because you don't fear death anyway.
	And it's coming anyway. This transfer of attention is coming anyway because do we want to stay here forever?
	I mean, what a nightmare. It's a transitory experience.
	And what the manipulators want to do and have done very, very well Is to manipulate us into a perception that we are our labels.
	Because from that, we have a myopic vision of our own possibility.
	We're just, you know, transitory labels and we're going to die.
	And some people, you know, many people think we just disappear and cease to exist.
	The body dies, but the consciousness doesn't.
	Consciousness can't. And so it's a completely different way of looking at the world.
	And what then happens?
	Oh, we lost you, David.
	Thank you.
	Are you there? See, when you're coming from, if you like, the heart, when you're coming from this perception of expanded awareness, the true self, then consequences take on a completely different perception.
	Because you know that this is just a transitory experience and there'll be another one along in a minute.
	And so you come from the point of view that I am going to do what I know to be right.
	And what stops people overwhelmingly doing that in so many situations?
	What are the consequences for me of doing what I believe to be right?
	And that is something that, you know, the process goes and it's all, I better not do it because of the consequences.
	This is how 8 billion people, nearly, can be controlled by a handful because the billions fear the consequences of Taking on the few via the system which the few run.
	What will happen?
	Will I be arrested?
	Will this happen? Will that happen?
	Well, you know, I have news for people.
	If they think it's bad now, they should imagine what it's going to be like in six months, a year, 10 years, 20 years.
	What it's going to be like for our children and grandchildren.
	And that might concentrate their minds to put aside fear of consequences and do what is necessary to bring this about.
	I noticed a story actually yesterday where protesters in Hong Kong had knocked down a A face recognition camera.
	Now, you see, the thing is, I'm not telling people what they should do.
	I'm looking at consequences and how they affect people.
	But the consequences for knocking down that camera might be ABC. But then look at the consequences of that camera continuing to do what it's doing.
	Right. So, whichever way you look, there are consequences.
	Every action has a consequence, nice or not so nice.
	But if we're actually comparing the consequences of refusing to cooperate with the system now, it's just one way of doing it, and the consequences of not doing that, the consequences of not doing that are infinitely greater.
	and more appalling than taking action now.
	Let me ask you this before we wrap tonight.
	I think this is a very important point that we need to discuss,
	which is, is this an example of entropy playing out by its purest definition,
	where we were organized and lined up 100,000 years ago, right?
	Everything was simple. We moved into this technologically advanced society that we can't control.
	That includes not only the logistics and feeding of the people and stuff, but also the phone systems and cell
	phones and computers and the internet and Wall Street.
	This complicated world that it was destined to collapse and come unglued at some point.
	And we needed a hard reset to get order out of chaos.
	Is that what we are seeing play out here? Where this is entropy and this is the way the universe works?
	Well, in a kind of way, I would say where I'm coming from in terms of that.
	Where we are with regard to that scenario is at the point of choice.
	See, life is about choices.
	This is what freedom is, you know.
	Freedom is the freedom to make choices.
	The fewer choices you can make, the less freedom you have.
	And what we're looking at as freedom disappears, what is disappearing?
	The ability to make choices.
	What is going to disappear even more as a result of this coronavirus response, not the virus itself, the response?
	More and more people are going to have fewer and fewer choices.
	Point of choice.
	What we can do is we can choose to say we're not having it anymore and do what is necessary to bring that about.
	And the first thing we can start with is 5G. That must cease to operate.
	Otherwise, it's going to be devastating for people in terms of manipulation of their perceptions.
	And so people must then make their own decisions.
	What do I have to do to contribute to the end of 5G? But if we go back to the bigger picture and we go back to this non-human force and we go through this sequence of history that you've just described, we have been taken through a process of perceptual Manipulation that has given us more and more cleverness and often,
	overwhelmingly, less and less wisdom.
	Bingo. So it is very clever to create an atomic weapon.
	It is not wise to do so.
	This is the difference.
	So what's happened is we've been developed systematically to become clever at creating our own technological prison.
	See, if you had given a computer, because in the...
	Clever enough to build up our own...
	Can you hear me? I think the NSA night shift is now coming in.
	They're having shift change.
	Can you hear me now?
	Yeah, I've got you. Let me just have another go.
	You were talking about.
	There's another way of looking at it, which is we've been brought along to develop into the ability as we have now to build our own technological prison, but without the expanded perception and wisdom to see that we're doing that.
	So this technology that is now cutting edge, this smart technology in the human realm was known about And had the ability to be known about.
	In this other realm of this non-human force, when humans were knocking rocks together, Right?
	So it's been a matter of developing the human psyche to the point where we can build this technological prison for ourselves without realizing it.
	If you'd have given a computer or a smartphone to Stone Age people, what would they have done?
	They wouldn't have been able to use it.
	They wouldn't have known anything about it.
	They wouldn't have been able to build it for a start.
	So what you do is you take your target population and you develop them psychologically to the point where they can build that prison, but they don't have the wisdom and the expanded consciousness to see that's what they're doing.
	And that's where we are now.
	And so this entropy that you talked about actually is being systematically manipulated To reach the point where the human psyche can be connected to AI. And although, you know, you've got this core of this cult that's driving this, there's vast numbers of people in Silicon Valley and other technological centers of the world who are not connected to this cult in any way, shape or form.
	But they're building this stuff and helping to develop this stuff.
	And so, you know, we are at this point of choice.
	We go on as we are.
	Then humanity as we know it is over.
	And in a ridiculously short period from now on, because things get faster and faster and faster, the more that you move forward, the speed gets quicker.
	Or we can say, hold on a minute, there's nearly 8 billion of us, there's a handful of them, what the hell are we doing?
	Right. We're not going to do this anymore.
	And fundamental to that, Jimmy, is putting aside these ludicrous fault lines of division, divide and rule, fundamentally important, When the few are controlling the many, of race, of religion, of sexuality, of income bracket.
	Put them aside. We're all in the gun sights of this thing.
	Now, what phenomenon, more than any other in the modern world, is creating those divisions and those fault lines of divide and rule?
	The woke mentality is doing it.
	Everything is sexism.
	Everything is racism.
	They are driving people apart.
	They're driving the old from the young.
	They want rid of old people.
	It is true there's no fall like an old fall.
	Because if you've lived 70 years and learned nothing, then there's no fall like an old fall.
	But vast numbers of old people...
	I mean, I'm 68 myself.
	Coming up, vast numbers of old people have the wisdom of experience and they can see through things that many young people can't because they've not had the same experience yet.
	And so they want to divide the young from the old to stop that experience, that perceptual point of seeing the world From being shared.
	So the climate cult is demonizing old people.
	The world's in trouble because of you.
	This coronavirus is overwhelmingly targeting old people.
	And you see this constant theme of demonizing old people.
	And it's because they want to isolate the young from the experience of the old so it can't be passed on.
	What they want to do is isolate the young because they are going to be the adults in the world when this is supposed to be full-blown after 2030.
	In fact, I say after 2030, it's moving more and more in an extreme way by the minute.
	2030 is just a number for a period.
	It's actually happening now.
	Right, right. And as we wind down here, a couple of things I've got to get out.
	Number one, our trip, as you know, I was going over with Rita to Manchester to host a conference which has now been cancelled.
	I was looking forward to it.
	Not only visiting the United Kingdom, but Fish and Chips and Mary Poppins and Stonehenge and everything else, Abe Berry, the things that I wanted to go and do.
	All that stopped. When are we going to see you again over here?
	Now that all of this has been shut down, did you have plans to come back to the United States and speak to us?
	Which is all about solutions.
	And there's just one chapter to finish, and that's about the pandemic.
	So I'm leaving that for as long as possible.
	So that's going to be coming out in a short few months.
	And it couldn't come out at a better time, that's for sure, given the content.
	And then I'm supposed to be speaking around Europe going up to Christmas this year.
	And what we're talking about now is coming to America next year in lots of places.
	Arizona, California, lots and lots of places.
	And so unless some other situation gets in the way, that's what I'll be doing.
	I look forward to it.
	And again, give my best, give our best to Gareth and Jamie and the family.
	I want you to stay safe over there.
	And I can't wait.
	David, you're going to be back on with us, no doubt.
	In a month, because we need to circle back and see where we are at.
	And I look forward to that conversation, and hopefully the sun is going to be a little bit brighter in 30 days.
	David Icke, thank you so much.
	Thanks. We live forever.
	We're eternal consciousness.
	That's as bad as it gets.
	And that'll be our next show.
	I'll talk to you.
	Thank you, David. Be safe out there.

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