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June 14, 2019 - David Icke
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Being A Renegade - The David Icke Dot-Connector Videocast
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Don't let them enslave you We're just friends
We're just friends Hey everybody, welcome to Anarchasio for Anarchy on the
Internet. I'm super excited. It's a person I've wanted to have on this show
since the beginning of this show starting in 2010 and by the way we're just about
hit 50,000 subscribers on YouTube. That only took about 10 years but
of course we get massively shadow banned and all those sort of things but
super excited to have on David Icke, a person I've been following for probably
about 20 years and he actually spoke last year to Narkopuku in 2019. We're hoping
he might be able to come back next year but he's incredibly busy.
He just launched, or a film just came out about him called Renegade, which just a couple days ago, so super excited to have him on, and it's already talking the charts on many lists, which is awesome, because I remember the days, David, when you were really, well, not only not that well-known, but also very shunned by a lot Well,
yeah, and it's kind of testament to, I think, what everyone should appreciate, that if you, no matter the scale of the abuse or dismissal or ridicule that you face, and I've faced historic levels of it, then what you do is you keep speaking your truth.
And you keep saying what you believe is right.
And you don't self-censor yourself.
You don't run away and hide.
You just keep doing it.
And it's a simple equation.
If what you're saying has validity, it will eventually be shown to be so.
And so you don't...
Run away and not say it, because then the validity of it will never be seen, because it's never spoken, it's never said.
And so what I've done over the last nearly 30 years is just keep speaking my truth, more and more research, more and more information.
And of course, given the fact that I was talking about something that was planned to happen, at some point, It was obviously going to happen if what I say was true.
And what's really turned vast numbers of people to my work, including the people who made the film being interested, is that what I wrote and said in the 1990s is now happening and being read on the television news.
All this censorship that's going on, the Orwellian state, the centralization of power, the Cashless society.
And a stream of things that I wrote about in the 1990s are happening.
And that's what gives you credibility with people, if you like.
They say, well, hold a minute. This guy said this was going to happen.
And like I say, if you didn't say it in the first place, because at that time you were just going to get ridicule and abuse, then this...
Unveiling this change of attitude to me would never happen.
Because if I said, oh, well, I knew about that.
Yeah, of course you did.
But it's actually in books 25 years ago.
And therefore, you know, it's testament to the fact that if you keep going, you keep speaking your truth, and you don't just become attached to the fact that people have a go at you.
When you speak anything that's true in a world of lies and deceit, you're going to be seen
as strange until that truth is shown to be so, and that's the arena we're in now.
And it's because so many people are now looking at the world in a different way that we're
having all this dramatic extreme censorship that's increasing by the day now to shut that
information down that's allowing people to see that the world's not like they thought
it was.
Some of them seem a bit crazy, but the ideas are really interesting, and as you pointed out, as time goes on, you're like, hey wait, he was right about that, he was right about that.
I started around 2000 waking up.
The first thing that woke me up was the financial crash in 2000.
It made me lose hundreds of millions of dollars on the internet company that I had started.
And I read the book The Creature from Jekyll Island by G.R. Edward Griffin, who was also at Narcopoco last year, and it showed me how the central banking system actually works, not what we're told how it works, or even no one even knows how it works.
And I looked into that, and then right after that was not It's pretty crazy.
But the same as you I just kept saying What I believed was true and over time a lot of people just
started waking up to the point now where I'd rarely go Anywhere where most people don't know that 9-11 wasn't what
they said it was on the television programming So it's like you say it just keeps speaking your truth
And that's that's really what the cult the culture wants us to do isn't it is is to stay in our box
You go to our government indoctrination camps memorize the propaganda repeat it and don't ever say what you really
think right because You know that that's very dangerous to the system
Well, you know, it's very simple, the process.
The whole bottom line of this manipulation and suppression of humanity is control of perception.
If you control perception, you control everything because people's behavior comes from their perception of the situation or life or whatever.
And perception comes from information received.
And so if you can control the information that people receive, then you are going to a very large extent, download and form their perceptions.
So if you look at a human life, you know, from the earliest age, the smallest child is being influenced, first of all, by the parents who've been overwhelmingly influenced by this information control that the child is about to go through.
Then very quickly, within a ludicrously short time, they go to school, and throughout their formative years, five days a week, they are in school, in college, in university, where authority figures are telling them what to believe, what not to believe, what is, what isn't, how things are, how things are not.
In the school years, they're being told when they can eat, when they can talk, when they can go to the toilet.
Which is preparing them not only for a perceptual prison for the rest of their life, but it's also preparing them to follow and accept and obey authority for the rest of their life because that's what's ingrained in them from the start.
And of course if you're a child at school and you start to challenge authority or question what you're told, then you're a disruptive influence in the classroom.
And they'll get the Ritalin out or something.
So it's basically a lifetime, a human lifetime, is a download of a certain perceptual state, which I call the postage stamp consensus because it's so narrow in its sense of the possible.
If you then step off that postage stamp, then you get the treatment, you get the ridicule, you get the abuse, and now you get the censorship.
And, you know, I've been saying for all these years that humanity laughs at sheep because they follow the one in front and just run away from the sheepdog and do what they're told.
But humans have out-sheeped the sheep because we've dispensed with the sheepdog.
We don't need the sheepdog to frighten people into line.
People do it to each other. And so when you look at this postage stamp consensus, narrow band of ridiculously narrow information, you're looking at the mass of the population keeping any dissidents, if you like, in line through ridicule, through abuse, and now through censorship.
And, you know, if we're going to Turn this around then people who do start to open their minds and do start to see that the world's not like they thought it was need to play their part because having that awareness is a gift and with that gift it's a gift in a world of lies and deceit and that gift comes with responsibility.
The responsibility to share it and not to try to get people to believe what you believe.
That's not the point.
But to share information, to give people the opportunity to see that there are other explanations for everything.
Because, of course, this postage stamp consensus is about downloading a basically single version of Of how things are across the great spectrum of human society and life.
So you see it when, for instance, this sheep keeping the sheep in line over vaccinations.
Where you have people who bought the big pharma vaccination propaganda, which is repeated by the medical profession, which big pharma actually controls.
It's repeated by government officials and ministers and what have you who don't know their backside from their elbow anyway about vaccines and almost anything else.
And you've got that great mass of constant propaganda saying that vaccines are good and vaccines are safe.
You've got a complete moron who has a financial interest in vaccinations who says that children could have 10,000 vaccinations at the same time and it would do no harm.
I mean, there's people in straight jackets who've said less outrageous things, to be fair.
But he's part of the system.
And you've got all that going in one direction.
And that means that the vast majority of the population who only hear that believe it.
And so what you have then are people who question that propaganda, now called anti-vaxxers, who are not only targeted for censorship by the usual suspects, not only open to abuse for being terrible parents and putting their children at risk, when actually the opposite is the case, by the system, but the Great swathes of the population are there.
Oh, you can't come to school.
You've not been vaccinated.
Your child's not been vaccinated.
My child could be in danger.
What, you mean your child that's been vaccinated?
Yeah. Well, I thought vaccination stopped you being in danger.
And I'm just reading a book at the moment by an American doctor called Richard Moschewitz.
It's called Vaccines, a reappraisal.
And any parent that reads it will never have their child vaccinated because the figures that are being kept from us of damage is extraordinary in their scale and their depth.
But of course, going back to the theme, people standing on the postage stamp who just get their information from it, which is basically the mainstream everything, will never read a book like that.
They'll never look elsewhere for Confirmation that what they're being told by the system is true.
And so they become sheep who try and set out to keep those that want to think differently in line.
You know, when anything is posted on my Twitter page, Information about vaccines from another angle, you have people posting comments saying, I've reported him to Twitter and all this stuff to try to get me to not be allowed to say it.
And of course, anti-vaxxers, as they're called, are being targeted all over the place now for censorship.
And also coming in are more and more mandatory vaccinations because what you also have with this postage stamp, and vaccinations is a wonderful subject because it basically is the microcosm of the macrocosm, really.
You stand on the postage stamp and they say you've got freedom of choice.
Okay. So long as you make the choices we want you to make, and then you've got freedom of choice.
You start making choices we don't want you to make, and if enough people start to do that, well, whatever we said was free choice, we're now going to make mandatory, which is what's happening with vaccinations as people start to question the effect on their children.
Putting them through as you must have them by law, not least through a man in California called Richard Pan, who has been the forefront voice in bringing about mandatory vaccinations in California, who takes money from the big pharma cartel.
Just a coincidence, nothing to worry about.
But vaccines are a great example of this Yeah, absolutely.
I agree with you completely on vaccines.
I was amazed when they came out with the measles vaccine and they put it on the television programming and all of a sudden everyone's talking about, oh my God.
I don't know about you, but when I was a kid, if a kid on the block had measles, we'd go to his house and we'd eat pizza so we could all get it, so we could get it over with.
But they, of course, with the television programming and all the things they do, they get everyone all scared, and then they come in and they say, oh, you need these vaccines?
And, of course, last year at Narcopoca, we had Dr.
Sherry Tenpenny, he's one of the biggest sort of vaccine truthers out there.
And actually, another person was there, I didn't even know was there, it was Del Bigtree, who did They got taken off of all the major platforms, including Netflix, which just goes to show that they don't want this information to get out there.
No, they don't.
And it's a simple thing, really.
And this example you bring up is a classic example.
When they can't win the debate, they shut down the debate.
They stop the free discourse of information and debate from which people can make a free choice of what they want to believe.
They know that if the truth about vaccines came out, and this is true of so many other things, Then they wouldn't win the debate.
So they don't have it. It's real simple, the technique.
And of course, again, what you have is the programmed reams of the population who've just downloaded the program, in this case about vaccines, but actually about many other things as well, who then cheer and pressure authority to do what authority wants to do anyway, which is to censor people.
I mean, how many people know, for instance, That vaccines, when they have so-called trials, they're not really, don't have unvaccinated control groups.
They don't have the vaccine that they're supposed to be testing, trialing, and the control group of unvaccinated people to see the difference between the two.
They don't have that. They have a control group, it's not, between the vaccinated people with the vaccine they're testing and a group of other vaccinated people.
Which means you're not having a control group that makes any sense.
Yet, if you are testing a drug, then you have a control group of people that don't take the drug.
They take a placebo.
Because, you know, and the other thing that is kind of shocking, if people think that this is where it is and this is where it ends, is that there are hundreds of vaccines, literally hundreds in the pipeline.
And, of course, What happens is, and this is another important point to emphasize.
People say, well, doctors know best, or so-and-so knows best, someone in authority, but we're talking about vaccines here and drugs in general, really.
Doctors know best.
All right, okay. So let's analyze what a doctor is.
He or she is someone who's been through the education system And absorb the program to the extent that they've been very successful at passing their exams, which means telling the system what it's told you to believe.
So good that they've had the education passes to go to university and then qualify for being a doctor.
So they then go to doctor training.
And there they're told a version of the human body, which is the version that The pharmaceutical cartel is based upon and the one that mainstream science, another similar cartel, that the body is like this and so when you are treating someone who's basically ill, then it's the scalpel or it's the drug, which both make a lot of money for the pharmaceutical cartel.
And so you get the version of the body which is completely inaccurate and no understanding that the body is about energy and information.
No, it's just a lump of meat.
It's not. So they treat it basically as a lump of meat.
And Then you go into practice and on the computer are all the drugs to give people for this condition or that condition.
I haven't been to a doctor for decades, but the last time I did go, a long time ago, I went in and he said to me, so what's your problem?
Literally, Got halfway through the first sentence and he turned I'm here and he starts typing the symptoms into a computer to get the drug.
They are drug store dispensers overwhelmingly not doctors.
Now if you're a doctor and I've met a number who then say hold on a minute this actually doesn't make sense and I'm looking at these other things that are alternative to the mainstream, and they seem to be working better than the stuff I'm told to prescribe.
What happens then is, if you cross that line, you get struck off.
If you question things like Dr.
Wakefield, you question the effect on children of some vaccines in terms of triggering autism.
You get struck off.
Because the medical profession is simply an arm of the pharmaceutical cartel.
And therefore, if something is going to affect the pharmaceutical cartel in a negative way, and it's being done by someone within the profession, well, the profession then targets them.
We're back to keeping the sheep in line again.
And because people are Programmed again to believe they're a doctor so they must know.
Because they don't look into the background and realize they're just programmed people as well.
They believe what the doctor says.
And yet, it's basically logic.
Talking of vaccines, I'll give you an example.
The doctor said that vaccines are safe.
Oh yeah, okay.
Okay, now, never mind he's a doctor, she's a doctor.
Deep breath, logic, look at it again.
You have a child new to this world with an immune system still not activated, still not developed, and certainly still not in a state to protect the child.
So what you do to that still emerging immune system is you bombard it with a toxic tidal wave of shite.
And then that's going to be fine.
It's going to do no damage to the immune system.
It's not going to overwhelm it.
It's not going to ensure that that child will never have a fully functioning immune system for the rest of its life.
It's not going to create a situation where the immune system takes this vaccine shite which attaches to the cellular structure of the body as an enemy and therefore It attacks its own body, thinking that it's attacking, which it is, a toxin.
And this is why, in the period of the vaccines, and the more vaccines they introduce, the more it happens, there has been an explosion in what's called autoimmune disease, which is the body's immune system attacking its own body, Because of the toxins from vaccines that have been attached to the body and therefore seen as an enemy.
And there's such a long list of things that come from this immune reaction to what it perceives as a danger.
Now, if you use logic and you work through the information, you don't need to be a doctor.
You just need to have a smear of intelligence.
Which, of course, the medical profession are pressured not to have, because if they did, they'd start questioning the big pharma cartel stranglehold on medicine, and there would be trouble for the cartel.
So they want docile, unquestioning, do what you told doctors, and that overwhelmingly, unfortunately, is what we have.
Yeah, totally. I actually did a video once called, Why Haven't We Shot All The Doctors Yet?
I feel the same as you. I actually just posted on Facebook the other day that
the last person you would go to see if you want to be healthy is a doctor.
And I was actually just thinking this morning, just strangely enough,
that it's so strange. I was thinking, I have like 5,000 friends on Facebook.
I have thousands of friends in real life.
I don't think I have one friend who's a doctor.
I wonder where these people even come from.
They almost seem like they're coming from a different subculture or something.
And they're definitely programmed and they're just drug dealers for the pharmaceutical cartel,
as you pointed out.
I don't know if you want to make a point of it.
There's that great quote, isn't there, about how difficult it is to get someone to
see something when their income is dependent on them not seeing it, or worse to that effect.
And that's what you've got with the medical profession.
Their income, their careers, are dependent on them not seeing the obvious.
I mean, I've got a friend who's an alternative healer of enormous skill and knowledge.
And cancer doctors go to him to be treated for cancer because they won't take the treatment they prescribe for everyone else, which again is chemotherapy, a poison, or the scalpel.
So There are many doctors that know it's a nonsense, or great chunks of it are nonsense, but they still prescribe it to their unsuspecting patients because their career depends upon it.
How they sleep at night, I don't know, like a baby, some of them, but others don't, I think, because there's a lot of depression, certainly in this country, a lot of depression among doctors.
It's very high in that profession.
And I can understand why.
Because if you've got half an ounce of intelligence and you see what's happening and you're part in it, then how do you live with yourself?
It must be difficult. I'm with a lot of those doctors.
You hear about a lot of the doctors that are on cocaine and all kinds of drugs because they've kind of realized what they're doing.
But as you pointed out, and that's actually a great point, and it's something I talk a lot about at the Dollar Vigilante, is if you are paying someone or if their income stream comes from something, they'll be much less likely to kind of like even question what they're doing.
And what we have is a world where they control, the same people control the pharmaceutical companies, control the media, control the governments, they control the central banks, and therefore they Exactly.
Exactly what happens.
He who pays the piper calls the tune.
And that's basically what it is.
The Centers for Disease Control in the United States is just a department of the pharmaceutical cartel.
And again, you know, just take a step back, I would say to people, and just look at motivation alone.
We're being asked to believe that a pharmaceutical cartel Which gives evil a bad name, I would suggest.
He's interested in making people well when it gets its vast fortunes from people being sick.
He has no interest in people being well.
He has no interest in preventative medicine.
He has no interest in the toxins in food that lead to ill health, which then It gives the pharmaceutical cartel more customers.
Any sane system of health, as we're discussing here, would say not how do we treat ill health, but how do we stop ill health happening in the first place.
So what's the cause?
So what you have is a system going round and round and round, self-perpetuating, Self-fulfilling system whereby people are given absolute crap to eat and drink, getting worse all the time.
They're given toxic vaccines containing things like aluminium and it devastates the body, sometimes immediately, most of the time chronically over a period as it builds and builds and builds until it becomes acute.
And then you, having made your money, because as you rightly say, these cartels of various kinds, food cartel, etc., and the pharmaceutical cartel are ultimately controlled by the same people.
Then one arm makes people ill, and the other arm then makes fortunes treating illness in a way that often makes the illness worse.
They're called side effects.
I love that when they talk about drugs.
Oh, these are the side effects.
No, they're not side effects.
They're effects. There's nothing side about them.
They're an effect just as much as the one you're claiming to sell the drug on.
And, you know, I love it in America because in America you must have laws that say you must list the side effects in adverts.
And so, you know, we don't have that law here.
So the drug companies just tell you what it's going to do and that's it.
Whereas in America, you've got this breathless voice at the end of the drug adverts.
Hey, we need someone who can speak real, real fast.
And then they reel off the sound effects.
It's hilarious, really.
I mean, it's tragic, but it's hilarious.
It's so pathetic. And so when you take this breath and you take a step back and you look at it again from this perspective, then what is taken seriously by so many people is a joke.
It's vaudeville.
It's comedy club.
And When people see that, they go, why did I see it before?
Because you were on the postage stamp before.
Now you've started to step off it.
You can see things you couldn't see before.
Yeah, absolutely. You bring up a lot of great points.
Just a side note, not a side effect, but a side note.
My mom took the swine flu vaccine. She actually doesn't read or she wasn't really on the internet.
And she went to her doctor in Canada and the doctor suggested she take the swine flu vaccine about 10 years ago.
And the next day she fell down at her dance class and she couldn't walk ever again after that.
And I told her to go back to the doctor. This was back 10 years ago and I was kind of stupid.
And she said, well, it's Canada's socialized healthcare system, so I have to wait a few months.
So she waited a few months, went back and said, hey, after you gave me that swine flu vaccine, I can't walk anymore.
I'm in a wheelchair now. And he just went, this is what she said.
He said, well, that just happens sometimes. It's like, holy cow, like, of all the responses.
It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable.
The other thing they do with vaccines, very relevant to the case you've just mentioned, is their reporting period where they accept a possibility that the vaccine might be the cause is so short That anything beyond it, and most autoimmune diseases take longer than this reporting period to develop, then it's just dismissed that it's anything to do with the vaccine.
Basically, if you look at the way that this works, unless you have pretty much an instant and dramatic reaction to the vaccine, you've got a very limited chance Of the system accepting that the vaccine is the cause of whatever the problem is.
This is the great line.
You come across it. It's a coincidence.
And I mean, how many people know, even in the United States, that since the late 1980s, the pharmaceutical companies have been immune by law from being sued for Vaccine damage is now done through a vaccine court that has very, very limited rules on what can be considered a vaccine-caused problem.
And brain damage, of course, is another one which is related to the autoimmune system as well.
But how many people know that?
Because all they've done is got their information from the system, which won't tell them any of this.
Yeah, absolutely. I know you have so many things.
I know you're so busy. I really appreciate you coming on.
I want to ask you a bit of a personal question here, maybe to finish off.
Because, well, a few things.
You just mentioned how it's laughable, a lot of these things.
In my progression from kind of waking up or I guess you call going off the postage stamp or I call it
You know breaking away from the brainwashing or the programming or whatever it is
Over the years I used to be kind of angry about a lot of stuff and now I just I'm more laugh at it than anything
And I saw that you were just doing that as well. It's like it's sad. It's it's hot
Hey, that's a horrific over talking about but the same time is hilarious
Like you know having these guys read these these side effects up so fast all that kind of stuff
And and another kind of point side point to that is that you were like one of the first people who really came out
and Started talking about a lot of these things and I know when
I first started coming out around 2003 four or five
It was really difficult Even for me and a lot of people are surprised to hear this
now years later because I'm so spoken now But after years of doing this, I'm fine with doing it now
Like in 2010 if I was gonna write something that was pretty out there like people hadn't heard this before and it was
very anti-system I'd have to have a few glasses of wine and I'd hit enter on
my blog and go Oh, man, people are gonna think I'm crazy, but this is what
I actually believe It was easier because people like yourselves have been
doing it earlier, but you didn't really have anyone That's I guess my question in two parts is
Was it really hard for you at the beginning to come out about all these things and has it become easier over the
years and has Your opinion changed from being more angry to this more
kind of like laughing at it because that's sort of what how I've changed
over the years.
Yeah, well...
two things. First of all, the hardest part for me at the start was coming to terms with what was happening to me and the things that were happening in my life.
Once I got a grasp of where that was going and the information started flowing towards me, then I was...
Completely at peace with it.
Obviously, you know, when you've been a television presenter with the BBC and people stop you in the street, saw you on the telly and all this stuff, and then you go in a dramatically short time to being laughed at in the street, it's quite a strange experience.
But it was a great gift to me.
I went through historic levels of ridicule in Britain.
In the early 1990s, mid-1990s too.
And it was a gift to me.
It was a gift because it let me let go of the fear of what other people think.
That's the prison. That's what keeps you on the postage stamp.
The fear of leaving the postage stamp is the fear of what others on the postage stamp will say about you and do about you.
It's the prison. It's choosing, because it is a choice, not to live your life in your truth, but to censor your life in your truth to fit someone else's version of life and truth, which is kind of ridiculous.
And people say, well, if I say this, I'll lose my friends.
Well, look, they're not your friends.
If they will not respect your right to your opinion and your view and your perspective, go and get somebody else, some other friends, real friends who will respect that.
So you've known them a long time.
So what? They don't respect you.
What are you doing? Go and find someone else.
Because if you don't speak your truth, it only ends one way, and that is that Humanity gets one version of everything and that's it.
And that's the end then.
And I'm completely at peace with it.
I've had enormous amounts of abuse.
I still get enormous amounts of abuse.
And when my next book comes out in September, the abuse is going to go to demonic levels.
And I know it is, and I wrote the book anyway, because I'm interested in the truth, not a statue and a round of applause.
It doesn't interest me really at all.
I want to know what's going on and give other people the chance to see what they make of it.
And because of the experiences I've had and the ridicule I've had and all that stuff, I'm through that process.
Worrying about what people think or censoring myself or going through this mental gymnastics that says, what do I leave out so people will think I'm not mad?
I don't care if they think I'm mad.
If I'm not seen as mad in a world that's insane, I'm worried me.
I mean, if you're seen as credible by a world that's insane, it's time to find a mirror and just have a little chat with it.
Why am I seen of sane by insanity?
It might actually...
Be very therapeutic.
And in terms of laughing at it, when you reach a certain level of consciousness awakening, you don't get caught in the emotion of it.
I mean, I'm driven to do this from within.
I mean, I work all day, literally seven days a week on this.
Not because I'm a martyr.
Oh, what a nice man.
He works so hard and all that stuff.
I do it because, A, I'm fascinated to know more and because I love what I do and because I think it's necessary.
But I don't get emotionally attached to it because all that does is drain you.
You know, I mean, I don't, for instance, I don't cry at things that are horrible and sad.
I cry At things that are wonderful and joyful and people doing wonderful things for each other.
That makes me cry. But when I see sad things and horrible things, my motivation is not tears and emotion.
It's what can I do about this if I can?
How can I make a difference about this?
And so I don't get caught in the emotion, the anger, the fury, because all that does is drain you.
The question is, okay, how do we deal with this?
A, what is the problem?
Why is the world as it is?
Because people do not have access to information that would get them to see the world is not like they thought it was.
Okay, so the way to deal with this is to do everything you can to circulate information that would give people the opportunity to see the world from a different angle.
And so that's what you do.
And if you get caught in the emotion of it, that can actually not only drain you, it can divert you.
From that positive contribution to cul-de-sacs of rage.
So I've been exposing these people, the George Soroses, the Rothschilds and all these people for so long and so many others.
But I don't hate them.
I'm not even angry at them.
Because that would just affect me.
What I am is determined to expose them so they cease to be able to do what they're doing.
And if you do that in an unattached kind of emotional way, it's much more effective.
And, you know, we have to laugh.
The world is mad.
The world's a vaudeville show.
It's crazy.
You know, I mean, like I say, it's comedy club.
So you've really got to laugh sometimes at how mad it is, and also laugh at yourself, which is a thing that is very therapeutic.
And that way you can make an effective contribution without being pulled into this low vibrational state of fury and rage and outrage, which I have to say, significant chunks of the alternative media are.
But it's no good sitting there raging and shouting.
How do we most effectively do something about it?
And it's a different approach.
Yeah, absolutely.
I totally agree.
and so there's a few takeaways for you out there.
One of them is if you can kind of like not care what other people think, it's actually very freeing.
And I've gone along the same lines as Mr. Icke and I don't care at all what anyone thinks.
And it's incredibly freeing.
And a lot of people put themselves in their own cages by, oh, what if someone thinks this about me?
Who cares?
Just be you.
And if some of your ideas are wrong, just say them.
And someone will give you some facts and then look at it and go, oh, I was wrong on that.
That's fine.
None of us know everything.
But if you don't say it, then we just go down this thing where we're in right now, where a lot of people don't say a
lot and there's a lot of censorship now.
And we need a lot more people to speak their truth.
And the other aspect to it is that I hear from a lot of people
is they get really depressed when they hear this information.
I know you're super busy.
I kind of just wanted to get like a short comment on The word anarchy from you because I don't think I've ever
heard you really say it publicly the word anarchy or talk about it
You came to an arcaboga You're on my show called anarchist for any of your audience
out there who don't know the word just means and without our key ruler
So if you're in favor of if you're not an anarchist and you're in favor of human slavery
We use another word called voluntarist, which just means we think all human reaction should be voluntary
I wanted to get a quick comment from you on that on your on your feelings on that and then just please let us know
About the the film renegade where people can get it and all that kind of information
Yeah, it's a word that's been given a bad press, anarchy.
And people who are called anarchists, and some people who call themselves anarchists, do actually believe this.
They actually believe the misrepresentation.
Which is basically anything goes and there's no organization or anything.
But no rulers.
Well, are we really so stupid that we cannot organize among ourselves?
You get a local community, a local village, for instance.
Someone's in trouble.
Someone needs something.
Other people who have the skills to help them, help them do that.
You need organisation.
OK, well, you have a meeting and you say, look, you know, we've got this collective problem here.
How do we deal with it?
Oh, OK, well, he's got the skills to deal with it.
I'll do this. I'll do that. And it's done.
And, you know, having no rulers doesn't mean nothing happens and nothing gets done.
It just means that there's no hierarchy of top-down imposition.
And, of course, they want to give that...
perspective a bad name because the whole structure of human control is based on a hierarchy where the few at the top dictate on the pyramid of hierarchy to the vast majority at the bottom and you know if we stopped competing with each other I mean I'm not I don't think against competing in sport it can it can help to increase Performance and possibility, yeah, but competing with each other on the everyday run of life and start cooperating with each other.
We live in a very different world.
But of course the system always wants us to compete.
You have to compete, you have to compete, you have to compete.
No, you don't. We cooperate.
Then if I've got skills, I can help someone.
If they've got skills, they can help me.
Without having to have some authority dictating because I mean you look at money alone if you look at a community any community whether it's a large community or a small community you will have people who need things done often very basic things done to help them out of trouble or whatever and in that community are people who have the skills to do that but because money is the only currency of interaction in such things unless people operate in a cooperative manner then if the person who needs help doesn't have the money to pay someone who has the skills to do that for them that doesn't get done So if we could go into a society very much locally based, I would say, where people cooperate with each other without anyone being the boss, we'd live in a very different world.
And funnily enough, far from nothing getting done, vast amounts more would get done that needs to happen.
Because how many times...
Do you see local councils say, this can't happen because we can't afford it?
When there are people in the community who have the skills to do it, but the council can't afford it so it doesn't get done.
And I've said to people in my town here, in a group that I'm involved in, people need to stop looking up.
When there's a problem in their community, they need to stop going, what are they going to do about it?
And say, hold on a minute, what are we going to do about it?
Because when we say what are they going to do about it, what are they going to do about it if they do anything at all?
They're going to do something about it via the people in that community.
So why do we have to go via them?
In this hierarchy, why?
Why can't we just do it among ourselves on the basis of mutual cooperation, mutual support, mutual respect?
All these things are possible once you get the hierarchy out of your head.
So that's the way I see it anyway.
That's great. That's a great answer.
And that's a lot of what we talk about here on Anarchast and in America Boco.
And actually building systems to make it so that we just get They just don't have a lot left to give.
But we see it all the time.
Even just look at that. We could even get it.
I know you're busy. We could get into that church burning in France recently.
But you saw a billion dollars get donated by all these people to rebuild the church, which is kind of stupid because it's just like a bunch of wood frame there that probably cost like $2 million to repair.
And it was probably a lot of propaganda.
But it goes to show, like, whenever there's a real need, people actually want to How can you have a situation where governments are allowing people to sleep in the street because they say the money's not there to do anything about it while they spend literally trillions and trillions and trillions on killing people in faraway places?
How is the hierarchy of government?
I remember there's a A debating society in Britain called the Oxford Union.
It's a very old debating society.
It goes back, I think, to the 19th century.
And it's at Oxford University.
And the debating chambers laid out like the Houses of Parliament, that sort of stuff.
I've debated there a few times.
And when you go and you're one of the debaters who are going there to speak, They give you a little bit of dinner beforehand, you know, about six o'clock, it starts about seven.
And they have some of the students around the table, right?
And I remember talking to one lad who was, well, he couldn't have been more than 18.
And he literally could not conceive of any society that wasn't hierarchically structured.
Couldn't see it. He had no ability, at that time anyway, to process that information into any kind of society that wasn't top-down structured.
And that's what the program does.
It tells you there's one way to do everything when there's multiple ways to do things if we only step back and look at it.
So I'm all for, and always have been, even before I had this awakening when I was in...
In environmental politics and stuff in the 1980s, this was my philosophy then.
Instead of centralizing power, we need to decentralize power because the more you centralize power, the fewer people have their hands on the power.
The more you diversify power down to communities to dictate and decide what happens in their own communities, There's so many points of decision making, no central cabal can possibly dictate events.
It's through centralization of power, globalization and all these things that the structure has been created globally to allow the few to control the many.
That's why, you know, and if you want to find a solution to something, well, instead of finding the solution, remove the cause of the problem.
And if the cause of the problem, and it clearly is, is incessant centralization of power now on a global level, then removing the cause of the problem is to devolve power away from the center into the hands of people where people affected by decisions are the ones that make the decisions.
And that increasingly doesn't happen and that's why bad decisions for people are constantly
made.
Absolutely, that's fantastic to hear because when I invited you to Anarchapulco I had a
few people go, is he even an anarchist?
He's never even said the word anarchy before, and I was like, I've listened to him for 20 years.
I've never heard him say anything that wasn't anarchist, that wasn't basically talking about what you just said, about decentralization, taking the power back to the people, getting away from a top-down, sort of government-controlled, forced, violent system, that sort of thing, but you just never have used the word.
And the other thing, I was quite surprised.
We had a few people, not many, because we have a very open-minded and very intelligent sort of community, but a few people were like, I'm not going to I heard that he thinks there's shape-shifting lizard people everywhere.
It's like, well, they actually really heard what he's actually had to say, and they hadn't.
And then after you came, everyone loved it.
So I know you're going to be super busy next year, but if you do come back, we'd love to have you.
And I know you wanted to keep this short, but I knew you couldn't.
I knew that just knowing you that we wouldn't be able to keep this as short as you wanted.
But I did give you the opportunity a few times now to cut it off.
But if you do want to say anything else, please go ahead.
I'll have all the time in the world for you.
And if not, just let us know about the film Renegade and where people can check it out.
Anything else you want people to know about your books or anything else.
Well, I'll just say one thing before I mention the film.
It's an extraordinary experience.
I've been in this for 30 years now.
There wasn't an alternative media when I started out.
There just wasn't. It's extraordinary to see so many people in or within the arena of the alternative media.
Who perceive themselves to be open-minded and awake when they actually aren't.
You know, taking one belief system, rigid belief system, like the postage stamp, and believing it rigidly, and then saying, oh well, I'm going to question this, and then taking on another belief system, which you believe in rigidly and like the old belief system repels all borders as opposed to other possibilities is not awakening it's moving the bubble and changing the bubble but it's still a bubble the Greek philosopher Socrates is quoted as saying wisdom is knowing how little we know and you That philosophy keeps your mind constantly open to other possibilities.
To say, he says this so, what about asking another question?
Is it true?
Is it true?
What this guy's saying that sounds so mad, is it true?
No, it's...
No, it can't be true.
It's so crazy.
Ah, but you...
In the bubble part of the alternative media, say to those still fully fledged on the postage stamp, open your mind to other possibilities.
And here you are now saying that you're not going to come to an event because this person's coming because he's saying this and it can't be true.
And you've not researched what he's saying any more than these on the postage stamp and research what you're saying.
In other words, you've moved the goalpost but you've not left the arena.
And so I see this all the time.
And, you know, When you break down how much of reality that we can see, the size of the planet, a billionth of a pinhead, compared with the projected size of the universe, a universe that has now estimates of up to two trillion galaxies within it, the idea that you can just say, he's saying that, so it's mad, so it can't be true, is insane.
And people need to hear that to shake them out of this alternative bubble that they live in.
You know, it's kind of ironic that I get as much abuse from parts of the alternative media and so-called awakened people as I do from the mainstream.
Because I don't have a limit to where I'll go.
Information decides that, not preconceived idea.
And if you look at this whole concept of preconceived idea, the postage stamp is a preconceived idea from a download of programming.
And then people in the alternative media who think they know it all, instead of wisdom is knowing how little we know, they...
are looking at me in the same way.
They have a preconceived idea of how things are and thus they dismiss anything outside of that.
It's basically the same thing only from a slightly different perspective.
And what happens of course is that When you have a limitation of possibility, like a limitation of the nature of reality, you won't go there because if what is said to be true about the nature of reality, then basically my religious belief system is in pieces on the floor.
So I'm not going there because if I go there, there's a chance that my belief system will come under question.
Then And you stay only, basically, in the world of the five senses.
What happens in the end is you run out of perceived solutions to a problem.
You're not seeing reality as expression of mind.
So that when mind changes, reality changes.
You're not buying that.
Fair enough. You have a right to do that.
But if you don't and you think you're basically working on the fact that the world is solid and everything's apart from everything else, which quantum physics destroyed a long time ago, but never mind.
People, you know, believe that anyway.
Then your limits to...
How to respond to what you have perceived as a conspiracy are basically stockpiling weapons to have a shootout with the enemy at some point or backing some politician believing that a rigged system will somehow produce a genuine national leader.
Hence you have the Chunks of the alternative media that supported Trump and in some extent, some considerable extent, I would suggest, helped to get him elected.
When he's just another here today gone tomorrow politician who wants to drain the swamp by putting the swamp dweller of swamp dwellers, John Bolton, in charge of his foreign policy.
But I can see why they went for Trump, because Trump was telling them what they wanted to hear, which is the big, big, big red flag.
The greatest form of mind control, perceptual control, is telling people what they want to hear.
Because they're already halfway there, because they want it to be true.
When you tell people what they don't want to hear, you get abuse and ridicule.
But... It may be what they need to hear.
So is a politician going to stand up and wants to get elected and tell you what you don't want to hear?
No way. So they got told what they want to hear.
They believed it because they wanted it to be true.
And if we're going to be really streetwise about what's going on and not be scammed, When people tell us what we want to hear, we need to question that even more to see if they're telling us because it's true and they believe it or because they're trying to scam us into supporting them when they get power, They'll do something totally different which to a large
extent not in every area, but to a very large extent Trump has done
Yeah, absolutely he's refilled the swamp and yeah, I know it's going to happen
I just say we need to just walk away from all these systems, you know, take our power back
Stop stop me just paying attention to these these these people and turn off the television, you know
That statement about you that it's an oblong box that is in your living room that is hypnotizing you
I thought you were kind of when you first said it and I first heard it like 10 15 years ago
I thought you're kind of like using like a metaphor or something. No, it's it's literally hypnotizing you like
These all kinds of stuff all those flashing lights and everything that's that's literally
He's constantly triggering you he's like and That's actually hypnosis actually trained to do this
This is what they do exactly and all these things that people hold now are doing it at even closer range
It's all a perceptual download.
It's happened up to this point via control of information.
But where they want to go, of course, is direct AI connection to the human brain, the human mind.
So our perceptions come direct.
They don't have to be manipulated anymore.
We get them delivered by Amazon, you know.
So yeah, it's very important that people stop taking the system seriously.
Because for me, the role of the alternative media is not to back a politician, but to expose the system as rigged so that people think, well, what I would say is the truth.
And I heard this in America a long, long time ago now.
It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government still gets in.
And it's the secret government that's always there.
And they're here today, gone tomorrow politicians.
It doesn't matter whether it's Bush or Obama or Trump.
They're just vaudeville shows again.
They put on a front.
Oh, I stand for this.
I stand for change.
Oh, I'll make America great again.
Oh yeah, what's the slogan?
What's the slogan this time?
Okay, thank you very much.
Sorry, I'm just nodding off.
And we need to withdraw from that and laugh at it.
You know, coming back to the theme from earlier, laugh at it.
It's hysterical.
It's ridiculous. And this is what...
So many people start to see, when they do start to expand their awareness beyond the postage stamp, they look at the system and they say, it's hilarious!
It's insane!
People believe that!
Because it is ludicrous.
It is ludicrous. It's literally like standing on the side of a field, leaning against the fence, watching a vast...
I've seen this happen. Watching a vast flock of sheep...
Following a guy with a shepherd with a stick.
And all he's doing is walking across the field and they're all following him.
This is what the system is.
And the shepherd needs to, first of all, be identified and then sent into early retirement as early as possible.
Because the sheep don't really need the shepherd.
The shepherd needs the sheep.
Absolutely, that's what I talk about here on this channel all the time.
And I have to say, Mr. Icke, when we started you said you wanted to keep this to about 30 minutes.
I can tell that, like, I wanted to say this, I've met you in person, you're the exact same way in person as you are
on all these videos that we see of you and hear, and you're just very passionate about what you do.
I just want to say that and that's why you keep going on these things and I absolutely love it and also another
thing that You know some people you must just be in it for the money.
It's like I know how much you make Books don't make a lot of money and I could just tell I've
asked you about three or four times to promote You haven't yet like you truly just love talking about this
stuff You're passionate about it, and I totally love it.
I just want to say that. I used to love it.
I used to love it on the internet. I did a video, so they can't do it anymore.
But I lived in a mansion, you see.
A big mansion with electric gates.
And I had a Bentley car, you see.
That's what I was apparently doing it for.
In truth... Since, whoa, gold, 2000, 2001, I live in this flat.
This room, as they say, you couldn't swing a cat, certainly without hitting a wall.
Behind me is a kitchen that would shame a ship.
It's a galley kitchen.
The other side is a bedroom, and then there's a corridor, a very short corridor, into my Lounge, and there's a bathroom just off the corridor.
And that's where I live, and that's where I've lived now since around the turn of the millennium.
And that's not, you know, to say, oh, well, you know, oh, he's so good, he is.
Look, he only lives in a little flat.
I do it because I want to.
Because if I had a garden, and I had a big house, all that stuff, then...
It would need upkeep.
And that upkeep would take time that I want to spend doing what I do.
So because it's so simple, I get up in the morning, I walk three or four strides, and I'm working.
And so it goes on.
And, you know, I've got a stream of books here and the film and everything.
And You know, they don't manifest out the ether.
They have to, you know, there's a hell of a lot of work that goes into them.
And so I don't want my attention diverted.
And I don't, you know, self-identify with things and possessions.
So people say, oh, he's successful, isn't he?
Have you seen his car?
Oh, and his house? Couldn't care less.
I just want to know what's going on in the world and give other people the chance to Have a view on information they wouldn't normally get.
As simple as that.
But there always has to be a catch.
There always has to be a catch.
If you're doing something, there has to be a catch.
You have to be doing it for something.
Usually financial or material.
Because people judge others not by what necessarily others are, but by their own interests.
What they would do or wouldn't do.
Oh, I wouldn't do that, you know.
No, no. Well, some of us would.
Because we're more interested in what's going on than financial gain and luxury, whatever the hell that is.
So that's been something that's been thrown at me for years.
But like I said, I did a video, took them around the flat.
The flat I still live in all these years after the video.
And it all died down after that because it was obviously stupid to say anything otherwise with the video in there for people to see.
But I will mention the film because I was approached by a film company in America who weren't supporters of my work necessarily, but they thought my story would make a good movie.
We did it. We did it in about four countries.
And the film has been edited by the people that made the film.
They basically followed me fly on the wall around.
And they have edited a film which I think is fantastic.
And people who watch the premieres have been amazingly encouraging in their responses.
That will give people the opportunity, who know nothing about this information at all, the opportunity to see the world from a different perspective, because it goes across the range of subjects, including the nature of reality and geopolitical things as well.
And what I found really encouraging is people who contacted me from the premiers Who said, I took my, you know, people from my family along or friends along who know nothing about this information just because they'd watch a movie of an hour and 40 minutes, but they wouldn't come to a talk or they wouldn't read a book.
And how many said that they were blown away and suddenly the world looked very different to them after the end of the movie.
So that was very, very encouraging.
Even more encouraging is the fact that It went straight to number one documentary in the charts in the UK. It's in the top 15 in America currently, about third in Australia, first in a number of other countries, including the Czech Republic.
And it is testament to the fact that people are now saying, what's going on in the world?
What is happening? I don't feel good about what's happening.
What's happening... I don't understand it, but I don't like it.
And so this film has come just at the right time, synchronistically, to say, well, actually, have a look at this and see if you think it makes any sense.
And it is making sense to people.
And that's why they want to censor everything, because they know the power of information when the information has validity, when compared with official information that has no validity whatsoever most of the time.
If you go to davidapp.com, you can watch the film.
Okay. Is it available anywhere else, like Netflix or anything like that?
No. Let's say that the company in America, out of Los Angeles, is having talks, shall we say, but we are dealing with me, you know.
I don't know. You know, this is not Bohemian Rhapsody.
This is information they really don't want.
That's how you surpassed Bohemian Rhapsody.
I'm not knocking Bohemian Rhapsody.
I've actually seen it about seven times.
Every time I go on a plane to America, I watch Bohemian Rhapsody.
I love Queen.
Freddie Mercury was an absolute star.
But, you know, obviously there are many forces that don't want the information I'm putting out circulating.
No, you can get it through davidout.com at the moment and on, I think it's iTunes, and then we'll see where it goes from there.
That's great. I haven't seen it yet myself.
It just came out a few days ago. Any final words, David, or should we leave it at that?
Well, I'd say I've really enjoyed this chat.
I do enjoy talking about this information, especially when it goes into many and various places, because they are trying to shut it down quite demonstrably, and so we have to shout even louder when they do that.
So every opportunity that I have time to do, I will do, while those opportunities continue to exist.
If we don't have it, and if people do not run away, well, they can't silence us.
They might be able to silence some of the vehicles for it, but they won't be able to silence us in general the more people speak out.
The only way they can censor everything is when people start running away.
And that road has got a very predictable end.
It's a big wall.
From which, after which there's nowhere else to run.
And at that time, people will not see any information of any kind that the system doesn't endorse and allow.
That's where this is heading.
And it can only go there if people give up their right to the most basic freedom on which all other freedoms depend.
Freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of opinion.
Don't let them shut you up because that's exactly what they want you to do.
Yeah, absolutely. That's what we're doing with our communities in Acapulco, trying to build out all sorts of
systems where they can't shut it down.
That's the whole point of cryptocurrencies, all these things, all started by anarchists, trying to make it so
that we create systems they can't shut down and make their systems obsolete.
And just yesterday, people like Dan Dix, who you know, Press for Truth, just got demonetized on YouTube, a number
of others.
Every day they're censoring, you've been shut out of different countries. I believe one of your movie premieres,
I saw Lee Burdowsky was there, a good friend of mine, and you had to move because they canceled it at one place.
You know, they're trying to stop it, but they can't, because not people are waking up, but the real key is that
all of us need to do something.
You can't just sit there and do nothing and hope everything works out. You have to at least speak up.
You have to do things like share these videos, like these videos, There's 7.7 billion people in the world.
At the core of the core of the core of the core of this conspiracy, you probably get me one room.
I do see a way out of this.
But only if the 7.7 billion take the power back and stop giving it away.
Because the power they give away every day is being recycled back against them.
That's how it works. That's how the control system works.
That's how the few control the many.
And also the 7.7 billion are set at war with each other.
Not least now self-identity war.
And they're too busy fighting each other to address that force, which is manipulating all of them.
Very shortly, I mean, like 24 hours after I left WKP, your event, of course, I was banned from Australia.
But again, in banning me from Australia, it alerted a lot of people in Australia to the fact that their country is not as free as they thought it was.
So in a very large extent, it backfired.
And we just have to keep doing it and find other ways to do it.
You know, there's always a way.
That old saying my mother used to say to me, where there's a will, there's a way.
And so many people say, there's nothing I can do, not because there's nothing they can do, but because they're looking for an excuse to do nothing.
And those excuses are all finished now.
And if they're not, then we're in serious trouble.
But I'm still very optimistic.
I mean, I was...
Basically, my YouTube videos were demonetized a long time ago.
But what you do is you find other ways.
And you find ways around it.
And you don't give up.
Because when we give up, then, well, it's over.
And it's like my father used to say to me, you never finished in life until you tell yourself you finished.
Until that point, no matter how many other people are telling you that, how circumstances seem to appear to be that, you're never finished in life until you tell yourself you are.
Well, in terms of myself, that'll be the bloody day.
Absolutely, and yeah, never give up and the system wants you to think that you have no power.
That's the whole point of the system. You have tons of power and so don't be that person who says,
oh, what can I do? You can do a lot. Just get out there and do it.
And the second thing is have no fear and that's the other thing the system always wants to put on you is fear.
And a lot of people say, I'm sure you've heard it a million times, Mr. Ed,
Aiken. I've heard it so many times.
How are you so brave?
You're confronting all these big people.
It's like, these people are so scared of us.
They're scared to death of us.
But people think that we should be scared to death of them.
It's like, no, we do have the power, but people just haven't fully realized that yet.
Yeah, I laugh at them.
I laugh at them because I think they're pathetic.
I mean, can anyone look at John Bolton and take him seriously?
I mean, it's a joke.
Anyone look at Sheldon Adelson and take him seriously?
Anyone look at any of these people and take them seriously?
They're little boys and girls in short trousers, really, and they're very sad and pathetic people.
The last thing to do is to be frightened of them.
They don't censor, especially on the scale they're doing now, If they're not frightened of what they're censoring and who they're censoring.
Never forget that.
And they are more frightened of us than we are of them.
In fact, I can only speak personally.
I'm not frightened of them at all.
You know, bring it on. And people will see when my new book comes out in the fall, in September, that I'm not just saying that.
I'm doing that. And you'll see when the book comes out what I mean.
That's great. Looking forward to it.
I feel the same way. Bring it on.
It's time for these people to leave this place.
I don't know how they've survived here for so long, the last few hundred years or longer.
this system of oppression, slavery, taxation, jails, go on and on, war, torture, this needs to end.
And it all starts with you just waking up.
So definitely check out Renegade with David Icke.
We'll have the links to that down below.
Check out all his books, they're all awesome.
Looking forward to the one coming out in September.
And if you're into the stuff, if you didn't know about us, Anarchaster and Acapulco,
come check out Anarchapulco.
We talk about all this stuff and how we can get rid of this horrible system
and create a new system that makes the old system obsolete.
So that's it for Anarchast.
I wanna thank Mr.
Ike once again for being here.
Pleasure. Thank you very much. Enjoyed it.
Thank you very much.
So that's it for Anerkat Show for Anarchy on the Internet.
Peace. I talk about some weird stuff, some far-out stuff, but how about that chair that you're sitting in isn't solid?
How weird is that?
This reality.
Is nothing like we think it is.
When I saw what Ike is doing, like, I was a bit jealous of him.
Like, wow, look at what this guy is doing.
I don't know if anybody else could do it but him, actually.
We are in a period now where speaking your truth is not just important.
It's utterly crucial to where humanity goes from here.
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