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March 31, 2019 - David Icke
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NBE Talks To Comedian Craig Campbell About Free Speech Within Comedy
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Outro Music Non-binary elephant podcast
Outro Music Hello ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the non-binary
elephant podcast My name's Gareth Icke with my brother...
Jamie Icke. Today on the show we've got Craig Campbell, Canadian comedian.
He co-hosted Ed's Night Party, aka Ed's Late Night, on City TV in Toronto.
He then went on to perform with Jim Carrey in Just for Laughs.
He moved to the UK.
He's been on Russell Howard's Good News.
He's been on BBC3 with Al Murray.
He's been on Michael McIntyre's Comedy Roadshow as well.
I saw him once supporting Frankie Boyle.
He's very funny.
We want to get into a conversation about lots of things.
In particular, I'd like to focus on freedom of speech and kind of the offended generation
and how that works for a comedian when often your job is to offend but all of a sudden
you can't.
Anyway, welcome to the show, Craig.
Hello. I've done a big massive intro and it's just like, hello.
He was going to get his coffee.
You've stitched him up there. Oh, well then.
Give him no countdown. Never mind, never mind.
So welcome, Craig. How are you, mate?
I'm okay, thank you. Thanks for asking.
So I've looked a little bit into your past in Canada because obviously I met you before in England.
What did you find? I don't know if I can talk about all the stuff I found.
I didn't realise you worked with Jim Carrey.
That's pretty big. I did. Yeah, I opened for him at the Orpheum Theatre in Vancouver in about 1991 in front of about 3,500 people.
Wow. And it was bananas!
It was unreal.
He had just finished Pet Detective and was just about to do The Mask and was literally in the air on a career launch pad.
I believe he had just signed, as he famously promised he would sign a million dollar check to himself.
I remember that.
Yeah, just on that little arc of like, what?
And they asked me to do some time in front of him.
And I remember distinctly to this day asking that audience how they were.
And I'd never dealt with like a theater audience before, a big audience of that nature.
And asking, you know, how, as you just did now for me, you know, hey, how are you?
And the place is New Year's Eve.
And it's just like, whoa!
And then he had me do a sword fight with him afterwards.
It was just like you couldn't imagine...
I couldn't convey to you how nervous I was.
And I couldn't impress upon you how he allayed my nerves.
Like, just came in and talked like we're talking now.
Hey, how you going? There was no sense of like...
Status or anything like that.
And he said, hey, I want you to do a little sketch with me at the end.
And I'm like, yeah, sure!
That'd be what I'm best at!
Great! In front of an audience with Jim Carrey?
Wow! And so I got a sword and he had the mic stand.
And we had a little sword fight, and then I ran him through with sword, which he captured under his armpit and went down, and that was my New Year's Eve.
And I believe it wasn't long after that, if it wasn't the night of.
I know she didn't spend the night with me, but I'm pretty sure, in true comedic fashion, my girlfriend broke up with me right around that time.
Oh, that's nice. You won the sword fight, though, so that's what matters.
Yeah, you know. It's always one of those...
You know, I'm a nobody.
Not that I'm an anybody now, but, like, I was an uber nobody.
I didn't even know what a nobody was back then, to be a nobody, in the context of being a nobody.
And here I am, opening on New Year's Eve, a pretty cool night of the year, opening on New Year's Eve for one of the greatest, if not the greatest, at that time, comedy talents on the earth.
And it's like, what can I do for you, honey?!
What more do I got?
Does Jim Carrey have a twin that's got to ask me to open for him and then I can be good enough for you?
What is it going to be?
And still we cry.
Ladies, we still cry.
I don't know why. I was going to say, it sounds like you've dealt with it after all these years.
And just let it go. Hey, hey, hey.
I don't even know what her name is.
I'm still trying to work out who brings a sword to a comedy night.
But, you know. Well, they had one.
They just had to improvise with the mic stand.
He was pretty big shakes.
They weren't suffering for anything.
But that said, he also did use sugar cubes as crack rock props.
So they might have been suffering more than...
Right, fair enough.
Yeah. I mean, I know in the UK, Jim Carrey's comedy didn't resonate in the same way that it did in North America.
And that's... Probably a compliment more to the UK than it is to Jim.
But the fact is, he was spectacular at that time.
I haven't followed much of what he does recently.
Again, not a detraction from what he's up to.
I'm just busy also. But his comedic ability in a black belt...
Martial arts sense was pretty unbelievable, especially contortion-wise, like Pratt Falls.
He did probably 10 or 15 minutes as one sketch.
Of his father trying to get his cigarette lit on the front of a rubber raft going down a whitewater rapid.
Just imagine the lighter going past the cigarette and him being on the front of the boat.
It looked like a lot of Jim's sketches.
You think, wow, he's going to be hurt.
And you're still laughing.
In terms of your style, would you say that you were similar at that time?
Is that how you got on the same bill?
No, I wasn't, but I would honestly say that I was influenced probably more than I want to admit by both that experience and successive enjoyment of watching him perform.
His stand-up, I've always enjoyed.
It's quite stellar and it's pushy.
I mean, it's pertinent for what we're talking about now.
I think politically, in some ways, he's gone a little bit broken arrow, I would almost describe, in recent times.
But at the time, I think he was sort of, if you look at the cable guy and pushing the boundaries of what Hollywood allows you to do, I think he was a strong proponent of that, at least at one point.
But you and I, the three of us know, as soon as you're talking about Hollywood, you're just dealing with the satanic fucking cesspit.
It's hard to argue its virtues on a singular scale in such a myriad of an avalanche of shit.
But I think that I was probably...
I think I was inspired to realize, and I wouldn't say that it's helped me in any great way right now, but in stand-up, you can go in any direction you want, and you can do anything you want.
You're the writer, director, performer, 100%.
And there's no real boundaries other than the limitations of your imagination.
So I, at that time, was quite a straightforward, sort of monologist, stand-up leather jacket, Jeans, cowboy boots, you know, just like...
I can't even imagine what was going on in my mind at that time.
But I wasn't very dynamic as a performer.
And there is a great joy, which I've enjoyed throughout my life to some degree, in, you know, going into...
I just had a snapshot of a thousand different rooms that I played in in the UK, whether it's a pub in Colchester or a bar in Devon or a theatre in Reading or wherever you want to name...
It's enjoyable to be able to dramatically act things out and make people laugh at it.
It goes beyond monology to a degree.
You can, of course, construct your humor solely based on the Lego behavior of your syllables and words.
But there is something that, you know, when you can sell something just that much further and allow people to escape into the vividness of your performance.
And I maybe in some ways took that from Jim, but there are other people that do it well also, so I can't say that, you know, it'd be different.
I think if I could reel off 30 of his films...
I knew what he was up to now.
I could be, you know, called a sycophant, but I'm just like, I don't really know what he's up to.
I'm on board with him from a vaccinations point of view.
He certainly takes a lot of flack and is pyloried heavily by certain segments of the population for his stand on vaccinations, which I presume are similar to mine in that it's not a stand against anything, but it's a stand for For the opening up of information and the allowance of that entire industry to be held responsible or at least responsible for its own behavior.
So on that level, I respect Jim for that.
But then I think to my knowledge, he's also been quite vociferous in a...
I just don't want to put words in his mouth, but something tells me pro-Hillary.
Yeah, he's been very, very – I don't know if I've seen too much pro-Hillary.
He's been very anti-Trump, though.
Yeah, I was having trouble.
I didn't want to, like, you know, slot him in that.
And so, you know, there's – and if you're being anti, you know, I can concur with – You're welcome to be anti towards whatever you want, but when you start to champion one of these devils, it's really hard to follow the rest of what you're doing.
Yeah, I agree. I hate them all equally, if I'm honest.
Absolutely. Well, I think people like him, in that respect, are probably just victims of where they live in America.
I mean, California is, no matter who's your democratic representative, California will vote for them.
And he's lived there for probably most of his life now, and everyone around him would be saying this, and you always get pulled into it a little bit, don't you?
Yeah, even, you know, similarly, analogously to what we're speaking of now, even other good things like, I don't know if you've experienced California's legalization of recreational and medicinal weed.
Yeah. Yeah, well of all of the states that I've visited that have both recreational and medicinal weed behind the open door now, Washington on the way down, Oregon on the way down to California, including Colorado for a little pop in just to see what products they got on board.
California was by far the biggest pain in the ass of the four states that I bothered to pop into to see where their weed legislation was at.
It's just like it was the most not-sified, I would say.
It felt the most uncomfortable as a customer.
I had to give over the most amount of ID. It was the most clinical interaction with the most discomfort, feeling like it was a criminal act about it, and that was even by the people involved in it.
Obviously, California also has the Beach Boys!
There's cool stuff there as well, but it just seems like one of those places that's a bit ham-handed, and no matter how they do it, there's going to be some discomfort about it.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of California a few times.
I've not been to California. It's never been on my list of must-go places, though.
No, I just find it's fun of a lot of very fake people.
You know, the trick is judge it by its black people and then you'll love it more.
That's all, you know.
I want to welcome everybody to the wild, wild west, a state that's untouchable like Elliot.
Now suddenly California is awesome!
You just got to think about the right stuff.
We're analyzing it from white guy point of view.
Now it's crap. Of course, of course it's crap.
White guys we're talking about and the white guys in it, it's all crap.
But when you look at the rebels and the people, Tupac, you know, I lived in Los Angeles for a couple of years and I saw Tupac...
On the Tuesday when he was dead on the Saturday.
That's pretty wild.
He was at a comedy show on Sunset Boulevard on the Tuesday, a thing called Fat Tuesdays at the...
Not the comedy store.
No, at the comedy store, sorry.
And then, of course, off to Las Vegas.
And I was also within about...
I was within earshot of Biggie getting shot.
So, you know, Have you been questioned?
Yeah! If you're black and an icon, avoid me!
Don't go near me!
The Comedy Store was fat, spelt with a PH. It was, yeah.
That does my head in.
It was a black comedy night and it was unreal in itself and you felt it.
If you were a white guy in there, luckily there was a white guy in the front row that was just taking a beating wonderfully for the team.
So I didn't have to get yelled at because I was hiding in the back.
You can only imagine for how long and how fat the mums were.
A big old section of fat mums.
You start off in Canada, you go down into California.
What brought you to England? What brought me to England?
Meeting British acts in Canada was a big nudge toward it.
I suppose the biggest thing at the time was the Edinburgh Festival.
Right. That was, you know, that was massive in terms of, um, I was living in Holland at the time to make it even more twisted, but everybody was going and I just, you know, there's still nothing I can describe to you that anywhere touches it.
There's nowhere, you know, even you hear about the Montreal Comedy Festival and these sorts of things.
They're not even, they're not in the running to compete with Edinburgh as a festival and, you know, the town embracing a festival in terms of, uh, It's more than just the category of comedy in terms of theatre and all the other arts festival that it is.
Just in terms of sheer numbers, audience numbers, venues, number of shows over the month.
And as soon as you're kind of almost steeled with that or annealed with that in you, you realize the tribute and the dedication for people For the arts that the UK has.
That people care that much about it, that it's that big a deal.
Obviously these things have now even depreciated greatly now in terms of, you know, the number of broadsheet newspapers that no longer send reviewers up to Edinburgh, for example.
If you're not aware, over at least the last five years, to my knowledge, and probably a little before that, almost all of the shows that you would see reviewed in a newspaper over August Have been reviewed in London prior to the show, even going to Edinburgh, and then that will be put up as like a mid-festival review.
And that's all because they don't want to pay hotel rooms, they don't want to pay drink tabs.
So the guts of it, as far as anybody in an official capacity caring about it, have literally fallen out of it.
But in terms of the number of people that religiously go every year and the same faces that you see in your audience that come back each summer that exists is truly a spectacular thing and a unique thing.
And it just gives you that boost to realize, you know, I always say that other parts of the world enjoy comedy, but Brits need it.
And that's it.
You guys are just one of the few places on the planet where they just need it and love it and it's part of everything that happens.
Yeah, absolutely. I think it's how we as British people deal, and I don't normally say British because I think English, Scottish, I think we're all so different, but with this I think we're all totally the same.
We deal with shit with laughing at it.
Adversity and humour. Yeah.
We're quite good at taking the piss out ourselves.
Yeah, you have to. And I think a lot of times when I've travelled abroad and I've cracked jokes in situations, whatever, and you get this look of like, what?
And you're like, well, yeah, if I don't laugh or cry, do you know what I mean?
Yeah, totally. I think it comes from not taking yourself too seriously, I think.
Exactly, yeah. America, for example.
Canada's a bit different, but America, people take themselves really seriously.
Yeah, they do. But here, people love taking the piss out of themselves.
It's how you deal with problems. I remember.
In Canada, it's just the same.
It's just a degrees difference, right?
There are people that take themselves way too seriously, but there are people that are completely subscribed to the British approach to life and just that you say whatever you like, whatever.
I mean, we're talking, essentially, you brought me on to some degree to talk about free speech.
That's all that is. Yeah, absolutely.
That's all that is in a nutshell.
It's just like, take your best.
Take your best shot.
And no matter what...
I'm not going to get violent.
No. You know, that's like not an option in my arsenal of when you talk to me with words.
And that's, you know, that's such a great argument for civilization that, you know, is important.
It's embarrassing to, like, things are so inflammatory that I had to put down my coffee and come over there and slap you around.
What? Yeah.
Sorry, you're an insane person.
You now have to get locked up and put in a van.
There's nothing that is that important.
Sorry. No, that's the thing with offence.
It is taken.
It's not given. Yeah, and it's also very subjective.
Yeah, completely. You'll crack jokes that will make me roll on the floor laughing as someone else is just looking confused.
And that's the whole point of comedy.
It's not... Each comedian isn't for everyone.
No, it's not. I mean, I watched an interesting thing the other day.
It was a Jonathan Pye video, but the real person was being interviewed, not the satire.
And he was talking about going to watch Frankie Boyle.
Obviously, he's very inflammatory, he offends a lot of people at the Hammersmith Apollo.
And he said, he came out of the line, and what's his real name?
Jonathan Pye guy? I can't remember.
Anyway, he was there going, oh Frankie, you've gone too far.
Well, a guy two seats down is in hysterics.
About ten minutes later, Pi's in hysterics and the guy two seats down is going, oh, you've gone too far.
It's subjective. You're never going to find anything that's going to not offend someone.
And that's where the whole joke of being offended means freedom of speech has to be diminished or reduced.
It's just a joke. Because there'll be none in the end.
Because someone will be offended by absolutely nothing.
Well, someone's offended by something.
Have you noticed it's different in the comedy world now, Craig?
Yeah, I was talking about it on stage at the Sunday papers, like Sunday of all things, but trying to search for the day.
I think the most insipid element of it is that it's self-policing.
I think that people are self-editing and for that reason comedy isn't going to push as many boundaries to begin with because it's looking for where it's going to cross over in places of offense and And that's really the saddest element of it, is that it's happening in that way that you say they don't have to put film in all the cameras as long as you think there's film in there.
It's that. That's why it's horrid to me.
The insipid element of it that becomes like a prison of the mind.
And that's only analogous with the prison that we know.
They were asking me what...
A similar question.
How does that manifest in our world?
It manifests in our world by if you do those jokes, if you do push those boundaries, you don't get to go to the festival.
You don't get to go to that festival.
You don't get to be on that show.
You don't get invited to that couch.
And it's an invisible prison with soft bars.
Yeah, the Twitter storms and all that.
And Twitter, and this is before we get into, and you guys are au fait with it, but I talk with people about this all the time that have no idea.
I had to explain the other day, not in a condescending way, what shadow banning means.
People don't know. People don't know.
In the common, we're in the business, we know.
But people who just are out there, half of them...
Half of them not even on a social media platform aren't going to know what having your voice taken away in that way is for a performer.
But that exists. And that's going on around us all the time.
And that's before you get into more nefarious use of soft bar, or I call it soft fascism.
And Canada's amazing at it.
To mention Canada again, we're just one of those countries that's like really, you know, fascism with a smile, I would call it.
We're one of the few places in the world that could make a ham hand of making weed legal.
We're the only people that could make people who smoke weed wish it was illegal again.
I was going to ask about Canada because Canada, to me, from over here, it seems to have gone full crazy.
Yeah, Trudeau is not possible. You know, when the lady interviewed Trudeau at that rally and said something about mankind and he stopped and said, we don't say that here, it's people kind.
And you're like, oh, for crying out loud, man.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was in Nanaimo, a place that I played somewhat religiously over the last few years.
And you can't even, you know, it's hard even to tell anymore if that's true.
If he's being facetious, you know, I don't think he was, but even whether you use it for him or against him, it's just like you're just dealing with a nonsensical Manchurian candidate who's just producing nonsense out of his arsehole and has been since day dot and has come on board essentially because, like, you've seen it. You see it here and you'll see it in Australia and you'll see it in New Zealand and you'll see it all over the West.
People get elected like, to a degree, Trump and Because nobody wants the last guy.
That's, you know, that's what happens.
In our world, we have hope in something.
It's proven to be an entirely manufactured element.
Then we hate it.
And then we hope anything will replace it.
And what comes along again?
Another manufactured piece of garbage.
And that's, you know, essentially Trudeau got elected on that to a degree and free the weed.
So, you know, now that he's been shown threadbare on more, you know, stories than not, you know, I could derive him for the time that we have and certainly not where I wish to go just because it's a...
Canada is similar, in my mind, to the UK. It's just a detached voting populace where people don't realize that they're voting for war in Venezuela, for example.
Why are we not mad at Trudeau for that?
For greenlighting, essentially, criminal military action against a democratic country that Canada has deep relations with Venezuela.
We have deep oil relations.
You know, oil relations with him, among other things.
So nobody cares about his involvement in that.
But he's also, you know, just fired or removed our justice minister.
That's the biggest scandal, if you haven't heard that.
And that's really what's left him sort of gasping for air right now.
That he's subordinated one of our government ministers, who in true hilarious Trudeau fashion was one of, she ticked every box for his cabinet, right?
She's a native woman, she's a lawyer, she's a progressive, and then when she got into the job of finance minister that he had earmarked for her, and she wanted to prosecute based on her acumen and her skills and talent, He then intervened using various channels that she documented feverishly, quite incredibly, for a prosecutor.
And then he removed her from the post.
So we just have this, like, unbelievable hypocrisy of somebody who...
He wants a woman.
He wants a native.
He wants to wear the mantle of the progressive, but when somebody actually gets into the position and wants to do their job, he also wants to be the old boy's network of, you know, you might want to rethink that one a little bit.
Yeah. And it's just embarrassing.
It's embarrassing because, you know, it takes the international community to put pressure on them because much like the UK... Well, the UK is somewhat involved, I think, in their politics, but I don't want to get too much into that.
But I just...
I find that the partisan politics in places like Canada are just...
It's high school and...
And we're never going to get out of the shadow of the States, to be blunt.
Well, people... I noticed it's the same here.
People go off what someone says.
So what Trudeau says or what he tweets or whatever, he's saying it for a reaction that people will agree with.
And people go, well, that's good.
And it's like, well, no, no, no. He just said that.
That's like however many characters on a tweet.
Anyone can write that. Look at his voting record here.
So, you know, he's this peace-loving, progressive.
But like you say, okay, but you're going to go into Venezuela.
Well, then the two don't meet.
They don't add up.
The one here that gets me is David Lammy.
Like, I can't bear that guy.
Because he says everything.
It's all virtue signalling. But people go, you know, he says the right things.
You know, he's being touted as a next Labour leader, all this sort of stuff.
You're like, okay, look at his voting record.
This guy votes for war every time.
Every time. Every time.
Every time. And, you know, to bring in a similar complicity of a similar hypocrisy, again for Trudeau, the white helmets.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Absolutely. So, you know, once these people are bringing that into your world over again, as in the UK, over the needs and wants of ex-servicemen, for example...
You know, you're now into just, they're extremely nefarious creatures and it's hard to speak of them, I think we're doing a very good job, I find it hard to speak of them civilly.
Oh yeah, it's very easy to effing Jeff.
It's very easy when you think about the catastrophe they've caused, easy to say, the catastrophe they've caused all over the world.
Absolutely. And to remain civil about it.
It's just, you know, again, back to on Sunday, I was asked, should there be some repercussions, you would think?
You know, should Harding at the Guardian...
Feel some heat for his, you know, nonsense with Assange and Manafort.
Absolutely. You know, should there be some repercussion for pushing Russia again?
I mean, the guy wrote a book on it for crying out loud, let alone...
He's still trying to sell it on his Twitter.
Can you imagine? After everything, I know.
Two for one! Get a brother!
But should there be a repercussion for these journalists and their behaviours and what they push this, that, that?
And I'm just like, well, there's not any repercussions for our politicians like a Lammy who vote for an illegal war.
There's no repercussions for a Campbell or a Blair who lied about a war.
They should be in the Hague.
You'd imagine that to get into parsing, to me, I don't know if I used the splitting a sea hair analogy, but how does any of this...
This is why I have trouble with day-to-day politics, because how does any of this become relevant with that elephant standing there?
When you're allowed to manipulate and lie and murder people, and then we've got to be down here talking about how much money we put aside for roads and schools and hospitals?
What?! Like, sorry?
I can't, like, get away from it.
But what about, we got a war criminal here.
He's still talking to you. Hey, look, he's on the BBC again.
Hey, look, look at that guy.
It's just like, why are, unless they're gaslighting us, why is mainstream media giving platform to criminals in our electoral process and expect us to just, like, pop down and put a ballot in, you know, once every X amount.
Give me a second. I got to...
I bet they're not bringing money.
In speaking about how it's very hard to focus in the frivolity of day-to-day politics when such egregious actors as Well, all of them, pretty much. But the war criminals that we know lied.
Like Colin Powell still being in Still being in mainstream politics in the States.
You know, how they can show their faces in public, let alone speak about another issue.
But this is the thing, though. For me, they're all doing the job.
Like, I've had people say about Theresa May with Brexit, oh, she's had a nightmare.
I'm like, no, no, she's played a blinder.
And she will leave the role as Prime Minister and she will be rewarded for the rest of her life.
For a Remainer, she has played a blunder.
She has, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
That's exactly what she was there to do.
She was there to mess up. The only good thing about what you're saying about particularly Tony Blair having media coverage is he's on the Remain side and he discredits it because he's a clown.
Oh, he's an absolute clown, yeah.
So if he's on your side, question yourself.
If there's any indicator that should be stark and clear for people, it's that.
And especially, Gareth, that's what I thought at the beginning, prior to the vote.
Call them buffoons, maniacs, call Farage what you like, call Johnson what you like.
But against those other freaks, they were the only ones who weren't war criminals at that time.
I've said to people, you know what, in the Remain camp, if I was a Remainer, the first thing I would do was just get Tony Blair off the telly for Christ's sake.
But also, you and I know that because that's not even an issue for people, that's another issue with the electorate.
That's not even, like, a concern.
The number of people that are just, like, with Tony Blair now because he might keep them in the union is phenomenal.
And I'm just talking, like, normal people.
It comes down to—I don't know if you listen or follow it all to Passio.
Mark Passio is quite curious.
And, you know, he'll speak about just— Your personal truth.
Following your personal...
Keeping your virtue together.
And the idea that we can just jump in bed with really compromised people because they support tangentially some idea that we also want or support.
It's the downfall of our society.
It is. Absolutely.
Me and Gaz were having this conversation.
I think you were saying this on an earlier podcast we did about having a fixed political allegiance.
So the people that are massively Republicans that support Trump, if Trump nukes North Korea now, they'll justify it
in some way in their head because they're Republicans.
In the same way you're saying with Leavers and Remainers.
Because I'm a Leaver, sorry because I'm a Remainer, Tony Blair's on my side, yeah but he might help as you just
pointed out.
Rather than having some integrity and going, I don't give a shit if this guy agrees with me on this topic.
He's a fucking war criminal. Look at him.
Or an epiphany, Gareth, to realise if he agrees, to realise, holy shit, that that's how fucking badly misaligned this is.
Yeah, exactly. That somebody of that threadbare of credibility, of integrity, is in support of it.
What am I missing?
You have to say that the Remainers, as it comes to levers, They're missing a great part of what Leavers believe.
They are, yeah. They're constantly missing a trick regarding that.
Can't ever describe Leavers' argument at all, ever.
I've never seen a Remainer say, well, this is what they think, although I don't agree with you, this is what they believe.
Constant misrepresentation.
They weren't informed enough to make that call.
Yeah, they're stupid racists, aren't they?
Yeah, they're racist bigots.
I think.
that uh... in fact uh... i was watching a performance ahead of me at that again
this this paper stand sunday and um...
they were uh... they were looking for a leavers argument and in lieu of a leavers argument because of course i
thought the other thing is that
the that these uh... public uh... that their public sphere
has been left so toxic for leavers that they couldn't possibly it'd be expected
to speak publicly for their own argument
you know that it's it's it epitomizes what the ballot box is all about
because that's that's where that argument should happen because
you can't you can't present anything rational to uh... a cult of you know near violent fucking fanatics
really and and that's really what you know what you're faced with
so they they asked this party
could a leaver present an argument and they just basically went straight to a
remainer trying to explain a leavers argument and it was like it was a comedy sketch right it was just
you know it was laughable but but when you get into things like the
most basic tenets for me are and you know people are derided for
Yeah, absolutely.
And it's a massive concern that's been hidden, and it's a massive concern that has been hidden only in the mainstream.
Yeah, it was a conspiracy theory ten years ago.
Well, it was a conspiracy theory during the referendum.
Nick Clegg said it was an unhelpful conspiracy theory.
Absolutely. And the people who were talking about it in media were considered conspiracy theorists for doing so.
And that was a slight on them, up until now.
And it sat in the same place as the Irish backstop.
That's never been anywhere else.
That's like somewhere that never went away.
It was always hanging like a dirty turd.
Everyone knew at some point it was going to have to be dealt with.
What are you going to do about that?
That wasn't dealt with.
So there's all these sorts of red herrings That have been in the room constantly, but never debated or discussed.
And for me, it becomes a matter of like, you know, I have a daughter now.
She might join the military later.
I don't want her sent in unilaterally from a European decision into conflict.
I think that every Brit should be 100% concerned about that, that they are autonomous in their belligerence around the world.
There's no reason ever that a British troop should have a European badge on and be sent in without British okay or say so from Parliament, from British Parliament.
And that people don't understand or care about British sovereignty in any way, that they can just gloss over that and move on to, like, maybe oranges will be cheaper or I'll have more places to buy CDs from or whatever.
Like, you know, I'm utterly maligning and belittling their argument, understandably.
But that you can't get...
And address the point of how important it is that your military is not under the tutelage of somebody else's authority.
And that's before you get into, okay, let's see how the EU uses authority when they have it.
Okay, Catalonia, let's look there.
What did the EU say about the behaviour of the police, of the Spanish police in Catalonia?
Zero squat and nothing.
What have they done to hold responsible that type of behaviour?
Zero squat and nothing.
What have they done, aside from what we have done on our own soil here, but what has the EU done to help or to even ameliorate in any way what's happening in France every Saturday?
For 18 weeks now.
For 18 and going into 19 weeks straight, we have got to see an authoritarian police state run roughshod.
And all that we know, and I know that you guys must be aware of this as well, because you obviously keep yourselves abreast as I do, that all that has happened is they have made moves to make it more difficult to face your officer in court if you have an issue.
Yeah. Not easier or streamline the process with the future and with progression.
not at all actually making it harder to find even what door you can knock on as a
Citizen to find the responsible officer for your incident who is then going to be dealt with
Internally by the force who are they then again making it even more difficult for you to who will never and in France
you are Not able ever to face in a jury of your peers an officer
who you deemed as wrong to you, right?
That's not impossible. So so that they can even talk about a European military with so many of these like
authoritarian Strong points in place these fixtures of authoritarian
behavior and this is before we even get into the to the to the
Democratic or non-democratic structures of the EU itself of the government, that itself.
Can be taken apart.
We could spend weeks on that. But solely the bit that was like you were accused of being a conspiracy theorist for presenting the military to that and what its behavior might be if it gets empowered by British allegiance.
Is in itself more than enough reason to not want to be part.
It's all about centralisation of power as well.
For me, the power should be in as many hands as possible.
Like the city that me and Gareth live in, stuff that only affects people in this city should be decided in this city.
Yes. Stuff that affects everyone, affects the country, things like that.
That should be a much more centralised thing.
But still, Westminster shouldn't be decided in Brussels.
I think there's also, going back to France, I mean, Macron is a psychopath.
He's the EU poster boy.
Little Lord Farquaad.
Yeah, he is the poster boy.
And there was the lady that was injured, the tabled lady that was injured by the police, battered her down to the floor.
And he was interviewed about that last week.
And he said, I hope she got some wisdom.
Yeah. I mean, wow.
Do you know what I mean? That was my reaction was, wow.
Like, you're not even hiding the fact that you're a psychopath now.
And I think... Cam, we saw he died.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
But I think with the whole EU army thing, so when the Yellow Vest protests first started in France, a lot of the police that were sent in there to deal with it, they took their helmets off and aligned themselves with...
Yeah. So Farquaad didn't like that, which is why he sent the army in.
But then it gets you thinking to what the EU army is about.
So once there's an EU army and there's uprising in France, they're not going to want French soldiers or French police dealing with it because there's empathy between a Frenchman and another Frenchman.
So they'll send the British in or they'll send the Germans in or whatever.
And it'll be the same here.
We have a protest here in Derby and all of a sudden you're going to have a job lot of Spanish soldiers who hate the English coming in and beating the living shit out of you.
Yes, absolutely.
That's exactly what is most in fear of that type of decision.
And that's not addressed.
That's legitimate. That's entirely legit.
Even if it's explained away, at least explain it away.
But don't act like it's a conspiracy theory that need not be addressed or brought up.
And that's what they've done. And they've continued to kick that can down the road.
And all they're doing by doing that is telling you that they can't explain it away.
Same with 5G. We had a 5G go on a couple of weeks ago.
Same with vaccines to an extent.
Anything where they refuse to debate or refuse to openly talk about something, that's a sign it's sinister.
Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Because if there's nothing to hide, debate it.
Because otherwise, just debate it.
Exactly. Because if you're right, we'll have a debate.
You'll be proved to be right. I'll be proved to be wrong.
And we'll all go and have a pint. And that's more powerful than imposing it.
Exactly. Much more powerful.
I'm sure that it comes down to liability, of course.
It's like all these things that if they discuss it and it's given legitimacy, then there's a potential of liability to an injury through it, something like 5G. If you actually have the debate and it's shown in any way to have the potential, as some studies have shown, I think you're aware...
That, you know, they're just starting to throw people in the funny farm for questioning it, if you've noticed, in the UK. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, and that's why the media are just pathetic.
It's probably my biggest frustration is how pathetic the media are.
If you're an interviewer, not an interviewer like this where it's very casual, if you're an interviewer on a primetime BBC channel or something like that where you're interviewing people on major topics, experts in their field or supposedly experts, if the audience know what your opinion is as a presenter, then you failed.
Because you should be completely impartial.
You give both sides the same airtime.
You ask leading questions to both candidates.
But you don't. So the audience always get a squinted view.
And the language they use, like you've pointed out, conspiracy theory, conspiracy to talk about anything that's a little bit different.
Talk about 5G, talk about vaccines, talk about the EU. Denier.
Skeptic. That's a good one.
But if you're talking about vaccines from a medical point of view, you're an expert, you're accredited, you're credible.
Yeah. When you think about stuff that goes into your subconscious without you thinking about it, just those words, skeptic versus expert, one's going to go in and one's going to immediately make you think, well, I'll take this with a pinch of salt.
It debases it immediately.
It does, yeah. I saw a Financial Times article today that had a, I think the subtitle was Anti-Vaxxer Winsuit I think it was something of that nature.
But it was quite pointed that the article itself already vilified the winner of a suit.
Whether, obviously, anti-vax is a pejorative...
But regardless, the story should be about what the lawsuit was and what the details of that are.
But you just can't help but be political.
It's just how it is, right?
They just have to...
Put out the us versus them before the article is even aired.
Yeah, well that's the left-wing press, right-wing press.
Should be a no-wing press.
Because I used to think that obviously the media is manipulated, which it is obviously in terms of the head of each media organisation.
But I used to think probably a lot of these journalists were in on it.
But you follow them on Twitter, all these journalists from The Guardian.
They are fucking idiots.
Oh yeah. Like they're literally fucking idiots.
Well, a lot of them are malleable people.
They're not very bright.
No, they're not very bright and they're easy to meet at play.
And I was going to name a name then of someone I grew up with who's one of the stupid people I've met and I've just seen as a producer at the BBC and he'll probably go very far because he'll fit in very well.
He's one of those kind of people I'm describing that will say the right thing, won't rock the boat.
Yeah, it's an extra 10 grand a year if you go down and you do this and you do it.
Yeah, I'll do that without any conscience, without any...
At all. Integrity.
That's what you need. I mean, there's exceptions, exceptions in every rule, but...
I can't believe...
There are very few. Have you noticed how little impact the revelations of the Integrity Initiative have created, right?
People in the main don't seem to care that their journalists are on a payroll of a propaganda effort.
That's incredible.
It's incredible that the only revelation from it is the initiative itself complaining about getting hacked.
Yeah. That's, like, the big news of an underground, you know, propaganda house, is that they're upset that they've been busted into, and making that public.
But I don't know how anybody, like, I don't obviously follow to any large degree regularly a mainstream news broadcaster anyway, but if I did, and I found out something that I read regularly with my serial in the morning, had, you know, a number of their journalists...
Taking a payroll for their opinions behind the scenes, that would be enough for me to find other people to read or listen to, for sure.
And the fact that it's even ongoing, and nobody seems to care, and it seems not to have affected anything.
You know, it just seems to have affected nothing at all.
But they've done their job in the sense that, okay, they've been caught red-handed, but like you said, what they rely on, I think, is people's attitude, particularly with Russia and various things.
There's no smoke without fire.
So even though, Muller, that's been proven, there was no collusion, blah, blah, blah, but people are always now going to be thinking, well, yeah, Russia, because there's no smoke without fire.
Do you know what? There's loads of fucking smoke without fire.
Weapons of mass destruction. Chemical weapons.
People just make shit up.
Basically, they just make shit up.
Yeah, it is incredible, Gareth.
And you say...
Sorry, Jamie. You say...
Yeah, my apologies.
That... That people do know that there's no collusion.
But they don't, still.
Similarly. No.
You know, you say that because, you know, you were lent towards, I'm sure, like I was, I only ever wanted to see or hear that there was proof of collusion, like anybody who's normal or rational, who isn't biased in what they wanted or didn't want to begin with.
You would just want, okay, something needs now to be substantiated because it's been posited.
And every day you would wake up and you'd be waiting for substantiation and no substantiation would come.
And each time that there was a bit of excitement, it would be, you know, process law breaking rather than actual Russian collusion law breaking.
And so you're just waiting again.
And then, you know, to have essentially as close to exoneration as you can ever expect with no charges being recommended to be brought.
You still, what was that, two and a half days ago, a day and a half ago, and you still, although you said now that we know that it's the case that there's no collusion, We do.
You do. I do.
I get that. But I could find you a dozen names right away in 10 minutes that would just be, yeah, well, but where they looked, and so they say now, but it's just like, what?
What is wrong? And you just realize that, you know, the whole confirmation bias is just a human...
Boible. We're weak in that way.
We don't want to accept we were wrong.
CNN and MSNBC invested so much in that being true.
They won't highly publicize the fact that they fucked up.
Absolutely. And that, again, will mitigate people's ability to take on board the reality of the day.
And that's part of it as well.
Of course it is. It's just like...
I don't know if you've ever seen a dying blue whale.
If you ever see a blue whale dying, it takes years and years.
It becomes a miniature ecosystem of animals, every type of parasite the ocean has.
In it and on it, just as a big, like a Portuguese manowar the size of a building on its side, just floating through the ocean.
And that's Russiagate.
It's just covered in parasites and crabs and ticks and every type of microbe that just will not let go of the carcass.
Just terrified to have to swim.
And I understand that, because where do they go?
Yeah, where do they go, yeah.
No! Who are they going to grab onto next?
Once they've cut loose from if CNBC was lying to me and CNN was lying to me and I have a suspicion the BBC's lying to me, they're in freefall.
I talk to these people all the time.
They're in freefall. They don't know where to go.
They know something's up.
They know they've been misled.
If it's a lie, why did the news say it wasn't a lie for so long?
But that's why they're going in their droves to alternative media and that's exactly why they're trying to shut down alternative media left, right and centre.
I mean, even with our wee podcast, we put them on YouTube and at least half of them are demonetised straight away.
If you're talking about vaccines, if you're talking about 5G, bang, see you later, you're not getting any money for that.
And that's fine, we're not doing it for the money, but it stops your ability to survive if it is all you do.
This is why it's so important.
This is why it means so much to me.
Just what you said there.
Because it destroys lives.
What's happening is destroying lives.
It's taking away livelihoods.
And it's doing it in a nefarious, underhanded, insipid, behind-the-scenes way.
All of that shadow banning, all of the demonetizing that you're talking about, it's horrific.
And that's like, these are the actions no different than China going into the guy's Twitter account and erasing tweets.
No different. It's authoritarianism.
It's It's at its highest degree the dark arts.
And that's why I stand against it.
People are, you know, like, why do you stand up for free speech?
Because none of this can be given validity.
You cannot give them leverage to have legitimacy to de-platform or to demonetize or to shadow ban.
If you do that, and all of the kind of, like, looky-loo, wishy-washy behavior of, like, well, he was a bit offensive and, oh, he did, you know, all of that...
Is soft power to legitimize dictatorship.
And that's, you know, why I can't, like, parse with it.
There's no, like, in between.
Because as soon as you're supporting that, you're supporting people like yourself being talked, you know, talking about having money taken out of your pocket, actually, actually livelihood from your kid's mouth.
That's why it's gross.
I feel it also.
I'm really sick of the financial punishment that you have to take on board to be pro-Palestinian, for example.
As Martin Luther King said, an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
and it's true. I had to get a restraining order against a guy when I worked for Virgin Active
because of my support for Palestinian rights. He tried to get me sacked and was phoning up
obsessively threatening to turn up at the gym which is amazing because I think of the places
not to turn up probably a building site or a gym are the two places you don't want to go looking
for a fight. Hey, you're just in time! Yeah and in the end it was Virgin Active, the top of Virgin
active the HR head phoned me and was like you need to get the police involved
because this guy's a psychopath And I did that to get restraining order.
And that was all because of that.
So like you say, you know, just trying to take my livelihood away.
It's insane. Yes.
And it's not just doing that, but his empowerment to feel that he can do that.
Yeah. That's, you know, the righteousness element of it is part of it.
And that's, you know, why would you not think that if you looked at what's, you know, happening even today in Palestine itself?
So why would you not think that the news was going to be on your side who are on the side of the police if they show up at your door?
Why would you expect that you couldn't just show them the BBC evening news and be empowered to For your behavior for trying to shut down somebody who's pro-Palestine.
You'd 100% be lined up with every pillar in your society to be righteous to do so.
And that's, again, why it's such an insipid element.
It's made criminal behavior...
It has, yeah.
And people are scared of being called racist, bigoted, anti-Semitic, sexist, any of these things, and obviously the Palestinian element, you're called anti-Semitic for being supportive.
Of course, because it works, doesn't it?
It does to some people, yeah.
It used to work with me.
I used to get really offended and really upset by it.
Why would they say that? And now I couldn't give a shit.
No, that's the thing. You get called a racist doesn't mean you are one.
No, exactly. I know I'm not and that's all that matters.
You stop caring. Yeah, exactly.
And I think with the Corbyn stuff, with the anti-Semitism, we've said it on the show before, it will lose all meaning.
And having been to Eastern Europe and spent a fair bit of time in Eastern Europe, I've seen anti-Semitism and it is real.
And that real anti-Semitism will end up getting buried and forgotten because it will get thrown out with all this other nonsense.
And that's more dangerous, I think.
It is more dangerous. Far more dangerous.
It's the boy who cried wolf. Yes, all forms of racism exist.
We've seen it this week with the England game in Montenegro, the football game.
Racism is alive, anti-Semitism is alive, Islamophobia is alive, but it's very much...
Define it then.
Being pro-Palestinian is not anti-Semitic.
No. That's the difference.
No, and for me it's also not pro-Islam.
That's part of it as well.
Exactly. But it's touted as a religious one against the other, and it's not.
It's nothing to do with it.
That's also a misnomer within it, isn't it?
Yeah, and that's what they use.
So you must be pro-Islam, therefore you want to wipe us off the planet.
Well, no, I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying that they should be allowed equal rights.
That's sort of fair enough. That's what makes me laugh.
There's around a billion Muslims in the world, isn't there?
And there's around 16, 17 million Jewish people in the world.
And if you put 99.999% of them in a country or in a room together, they'd all get on.
Yeah, of course they would. They'd all get on.
Because they're people. They're people, they're human beings, they'd have respect for each other's beliefs, respect for each other's cultures.
It's the people at the top, as you pointed out, with these war criminals.
It's you netting yahoos and you're making these decisions that are splitting these groups of people that would get on in half.
Racism isn't innate.
It's learned. It's educated.
Of course it is. Yeah, you know... You put a little Allura, my daughter, in a class with any other race and she's just going to play toys because that's what kids do.
Absolutely. For me, there's just a sense of fair play about it that's important.
It might be a bit sappy to come from that, but I've watched the country I grew up in Be transformed as the world's most sought-after peacekeeper to become, during the Gulf conflicts, essentially, in modern times, the peacemaker.
And Canada used to really celebrate its blue helmet status with the UN. We were the ones, and I would have, like, you know, growing up, I would have been one to say, you couldn't ask for a better group of dudes and ladies to come in the middle of your conflict, no matter where you are in the world, and show you unbiased proportionality.
In terms of who wants grains, who wants medicine, we'll do what we can while we're here.
And Canada has just unfortunately in modern times and in my lifetime become a lead and another arm of Anglo-American imperialism.
And it's really, you know, to its great detriment, but it's something that, like, I still hold the ethos of what I said earlier in my heart to a degree that, like, I don't go into Israeli-Palestinian internal affairs with a hatred of either side at all.
Zero. I have no axe to grind or truck with either side.
I'm 100% about, as you just said, the fair rights for all who are here.
And that's it, and that's all.
And any sense that there's like some, you know, that you're coming in with a bias or a reason to be biased, it's not the case at all.
I think that I grew up in, if I could say to trumpet their horn, in one of the most...
Fair societies that I could ever dream of being brought up in.
In terms of like, when we played ball when I was younger, whether it was basketball or hockey or you name it, for sure completely common to call your own penalties.
For sure. As a kid, I know I tripped that guy.
I'm going to the box for two minutes.
All the time! It was a common, like, none of the kind of, you know, the kind of, like, for us, which is a very European mentality and another reason why I'd never want them to have a military, because they just duck and dive and pretend they're wounded all over the place in a way that, like, I never grew up in and ever could relate to.
So it's kind of like that cultural thing.
Canada has always been a very good neutral power, up again until recently, maybe because we had our issues with the French and have been able to show that there's a mediation capability between two traditional enemies or whatever the sort of origins or the gestation of it is.
But what it used to be, I don't feel is what it is anymore.
And it's probably, you guys notice, the same here in the UK. Oh, absolutely.
Yeah. People are just more biased than they've ever been and more likely to be entrenched in different camps and less unity.
It's a real clusterfuck.
I think the UK has been a massive victim of reverse racism for a start and the fact that certain cultures have Effectively, you're allowed that.
You're not allowed this one. My attitude is that every culture should be treated equally.
Everyone has the right to have one.
Did you actually have Rotherham in your head when you were talking there?
What's that? When you said the reverse racism, I immediately thought you were thinking Rotherham.
Alright, no, no. When it goes as bad as it can go, right?
Yeah, absolutely. You have to arrest them.
Certain cultures that come into different countries are given massively preferential treatment, which I think is wrong.
I think everyone should be treated equally.
If I went to the Middle East now, you'd respect that culture.
You wouldn't, for example, walk down the street eating a bacon sandwich.
You wouldn't do that because that would be incredibly offensive and incredibly disrespectful to their culture.
But I feel here in Britain and in mainland Europe to an extent, you're racist for wanting to appreciate your British culture.
Yeah, but we're taught that, which I think is a lot to do with why young people are more pro-EU, because they don't have that sort of desire for British sovereignty, because they've basically been raised to hate Britain.
You see, that's why I think the older generations voted out for various reasons.
One being they knew what it was like before, but a lot of them would have lived through the war and would have lived through the idea of a centralised European dictatorship if Hitler had won the war.
And the thought of then giving that power to a centralised dictatorship in Brussels was the idea of sovereignty.
I mean, I can't imagine, obviously the war would have been absolutely catastrophic, but I can't imagine how much national...
Pride and national feeling there would have been in 1946, for example, upon the rebuilding of the country and that kind of getting back to a British culture and a British society, which now you'd be considered, you're a nationalist, you're far right, you're National Front, you're BNP, if you have any opinions like that.
I'm not someone who's massively pro-Britain or particularly proud to be a British citizen.
I think Not our generations, but to an extent our generations, but for our history, we've done some horrific things all over the world.
Yeah, but the people haven't. Governments have done that.
Yeah, but I haven't.
You haven't. No. So it's like you talk about the slavery trade.
I haven't had a slave. You haven't had a slave.
You haven't had a slave. No one alive today, legally, has had a slave.
So therefore, why are we taking the rap for something that happened years and years and years ago?
I just think it's a joke, really, the fact that I mean, I used to use this analogy that imagine if an alien race land on Earth now and you're the first person they meet and it's your job to explain to them humanity and who we are and what we are and what we do, etc.
You get about halfway through your first sentence and go, what the fuck?
We are fucking mental.
We're all on this planet, but if you're born in a certain part of it, I'm better than you.
If your skin colour is different to mine, you're better than me.
If you're born into a family with money, you're better than me.
It's like, what the fuck?
We're all born equal.
No matter where you're born in the world, no matter what your skin colour is, what your background, what family you're born into, what situation you're born into, you're all born equal.
Yeah, maybe people in Nottingham aren't born equal to us.
Oh, we're too close to Nottingham to say shit like that.
Yeah, I was going to say, a lot of people don't believe that, though.
That's the other difficulty.
Yeah, this is true, yeah. But again, back down to the racism thing, that is learned.
That isn't innate. Yes.
Absolutely. Gleefully learned and taught to us.
Yeah, taught. Absolutely taught.
You don't come out of the womb and walk around nursery going, I'm better than them at nine months old.
You don't walk at nine months old.
The Lord does. With help.
Couple. Couple of steps.
I've had a really good time chatting, but we've not really touched on comedy that much, but that's fine.
We've had some laughs, though. Yeah, and I think it's really, really good that we've focused on so many different things, which I wasn't expecting it to go that way, to be honest, Craig, mate.
I thought we were going to talk a lot about comedy.
I've got a bunch of comedy questions, which now are just boring and irrelevant.
Gareth does that a lot. I haven't written anything down today.
He writes down lots of questions.
What he's saying Gareth does a lot of is research.
Yeah. Yeah, he's saying it like it's a bad thing.
Yeah, but most of it is sometimes...
Wasted....inaccurate as well.
Yeah. Well, yeah, sometimes.
That's what happens when you get stuff off Wiki, though, isn't it?
It's all made up. Absolutely.
Well, I'll consider it the thought that counts, and I appreciate you doing the...
So, if we finish on a bit of comedy, what have you got going on at the moment, then?
What are you touring?
I'm off in Aberdeen tomorrow, and I've got to fly via Luton, so that's comedy in itself.
Jeez. If you're on Luton, keep an eye out for me tomorrow, buzzing through.
And then it's all pretty much built up for Edinburgh this year.
Oh, excellent. When are you on at Edinburgh and what time?
At The Stand.
And I think it's 9 or 9.30.
And I'll tell you, Gareth, I'm just...
I'm happily...
I hate...
I don't want to promote me.
I don't want to. If we're allowed to say at Moosefucker, if anybody wants to be offended on Twitter, you're welcome to drop into that.
And you can usually find me on Facebook if you want to be long-form offended.
But I just can't.
I can't promote me. I hate it.
I hope everybody comes to my show and I can really use the dough, I can tell you.
But I just can't, like...
Tell you where it is. I just...
Can't do it. Well, I'll find out exactly.
Is it the stand at 9.30?
Go on to at Moosefucker on Twitter and you'll find out there.
Yeah, exactly. How have they let you have that handle?
Why not? I can't believe it, huh?
I know. They deleted our first one.
Oh yeah, because it was non-binary elephant.
They went, non-binary, that must be offensive.
So we're now just non-elephants?
No. There was me thinking non-binary was all the rage.
As a reference. Ha ha ha ha.
Yeah, no, they seem alright with Moosefuckers, so I'm pretty happy.
Here we are, okay, so it's...
Drumroll, yeah.
Great time for you. I've got no rhythm.
No, I didn't want to say anything, but it was quite unfortunate, so I have to witness that.
Alright. Yeah, I still have no information for you.
Oh, okay. So it's in Edinburgh.
Edinburgh is the capital of Scotland.
It's got a castle in the middle of it on a big hill.
And next to the castle is the Whiskey Museum, which is superb.
Very good. Very good cheese and biscuits.
Big fan of the cheese and biscuits and whiskey in there.
Yeah, I like a bit of that also.
Also... It'll be on your website, won't it?
Yeah, you'll find it on the website. We'll put your website in the bio.
Oh, yeah, moosefucker.com.
Yeah, so... Perfect.
So you know where all the details are?
You can find all this yourselves.
What am I looking for you for? Exactly.
If they care, they'll look.
And if they don't, you don't want them there anyway.
Yeah. And regardless, whatever you do, have a great summer.
I don't care if you come and see me.
But live long and prosper.
Like we're talking, I was really excited to come on with you guys, and I appreciate being asked to, just because I know you're like-minded, and I know if we're far apart on anything, we're not that far apart on anything.
And most people aren't.
Like I mentioned earlier, I spent a few times this week even explaining to people what a thing like shadow banning is.
So I guess it's our job to let people know that these ideas exist, and they're being implemented by our telecommunications companies, non-democratically, against...
You know, fellow citizens, and it's detrimental to society.
And every time they clamp down on another one of these avenues, it makes it harder for us to gain the information we need to have prosperous futures as a team, as all of us together.
Absolutely. You know, the people that are celebrating New Zealand shutting down websites and all these things.
Actually, I thought about it the other day that some...
Yeah.
Yeah. That would be better for all of us if we had a forum where we could speak and communicate freely and not be worried about some of us being diminished in profile here, there, and everywhere. So as we find alternatives to try and work around authoritarianism, it's still not beneficial.
For us as the whole.
So, you know, I think it's important that we bring moderate.
Obviously, we're mental patients that are too far gone to even think about.
But, you know, I'm talking about moderate people who aren't already radicalized like we are.
We need to bring them into the understanding that, you know, that our futures are codependent.
Absolutely. Shutting any of us out is just horrible.
Absolutely. We're not fighting each other.
It's the 99% of us against the 1%.
Absolutely. Cheers, Craig.
Thanks again for coming on, mate. I really enjoyed that.
See you, guys. Thanks, mate.
Speak to you soon. Keep yourself safe and well.
Live long enough. And you, mate. You too.
Good luck in Edinburgh. Take care.
Thank you very much. Bye-bye.
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