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March 24, 2019 - David Icke
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NBE Talks To Vaccine Expert Dr Sherri Tenpenny
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I'm Jamie Icke. I'm Gareth Icke.
I thought you were going to lead me in then like you normally do.
No, that was just... I don't know.
You didn't lead me in the other week.
Oh, well. Go on. Okay, so our guest today is Dr.
Sherry Tenpenny. She is a board-certified osteopath medical doctor from Cleveland, Ohio.
She's been very outspoken on the theory of the danger of vaccines...
She specialises in holistic health and healing, including breast thermography, allergy relief, and bioidentical hormones.
The clinic has seen patients from all 50 states and more than 17 countries.
She's an internationally known expert for her knowledge on vaccines.
We're going to get into that.
So this is a few things she sent me.
Now, looking on her Wikipedia, which we do sometimes, we guess, just as a comparison, which is sometimes interesting...
It says that she is a supporter of the theory that vaccines cause autism, and it says it's a discredited theory.
I want to chat to her a bit about that when she comes on, because I don't know about you, I don't think there's substantial evidence that's a completely discredited theory at all.
I think they disproved Mr Wakefield's theory, and they threw the baby out of the bathwater a bit with that.
Yeah, you look at the numbers of autism compared to vaccinations and the increase in vaccines and the increase in that.
It's the whole eat more food, you're going to get fatter.
There is a correlation, isn't there?
You've got to at least look at it.
Yeah. So, we're delighted to have her join us.
Welcome, Sherry. I've been watching your presentations on YouTube, and I must admit, one thing I've found is that you're really good and funny and down-to-earth, which I think is important, because when you get into quite big subjects like this, people tend to throw stats around and people can get easily confused.
Is that a conscious thing if you kind of thought, you know what, I'm going to be a little bit more down-to-earth with my presentations?
No, it comes from way back.
You know, I was a music and theater minor when I was in high school and college.
So I've been on the stage with music, singing and piano, and I played French horn and jazz trumpet.
And I did a lot.
I was a professional choreographer for a while.
And I decided when I was in college that I was going to wear one hat and one personality and I was going to be the same person all the time.
So when you see me on a YouTube video or you talk to me in person or if you're a patient of mine in my clinic, I'm the same personality all the time.
And I just decided it's kind of a what you see is what you get.
If you like that, that's great.
And if you don't, well, move on.
Yeah, that's a good attitude.
It's quite refreshing as well for people in the public eye.
Yeah, absolutely. Because you must have, obviously, because of the subject matter, which we'll obviously get into in a lot more in depth, you must have taken a fair bit of flack, a fair bit of stick off people, I imagine.
I have, but I choose to not focus on that.
I would rather just move on and ignore it.
I feel like we all have our audience, and it's kind of like...
You know, moths gather to a certain colored light, and so if I'm a yellow light, I'm going to collect all the moths that want to go to a yellow light.
So I don't really much care about moths that don't like yellow lights.
I really don't. I just speak my truth.
I highly research everything that I do.
Every article that I've written and every PowerPoint presentation or MP4 or YouTube video, It's always well-researched and documented from mainstream medical literature.
And so if that's what people are looking for, that's what they're going to find.
And I don't put a lot of energy into worrying about what people are trying to say about me or stab me in the back.
I just don't. That's again a very refreshing way to be.
Getting into your research and your work, one thing that I've found very frustrating with the vaccine debate is that, it's similar with the global warming debate, massive amounts of in-industry people like yourself, doctors, people from a medical background, are very outspoken against vaccines.
But you don't get anywhere near the same airtime on mainstream news sources and mainstream medias as the pro-vaccine, post-vaccine kind of...
That side of the medical journal, if you like.
And that must be very frustrating as a medical professional.
That is quite frustrating to me because...
You know, my husband was a pilot in the Navy, and he said there was an expression in the Navy when they did the final walk around on the planes before they took off that if there's any doubt that there's a problem, there's no doubt we're not flying.
And so when you look at the vaccine industry and you see vaccine side effects and you see injured Children and adults and you know what the vaccine ingredients are and you know there are multiple known carcinogens plus metals like mercury and aluminum and animal DNA and human DNA and the list goes on and on.
So to me, if there's any doubt that vaccines can cause harm, Then there should be no doubt that we should not give them and there should be no doubt that mandatory vaccination is a crime against humanity and now there's this big push in America by the American Academy of Pediatrics to remove religious exemptions And Senator Pan, who is a pediatrician, which is just so unethical to me, out of California, is now also trying to eliminate medical exemptions.
So when your physician says, because of your genetic constitution, your family history, the long list of allergies you are on, the long list of medications you are on, whatever reason, We believe that this vaccine can cause you harm.
Now they're trying to eliminate that and saying that your own personal physician cannot refuse to give you a vaccine.
It has to be overseen by a physician that has been sanctioned by the public health department, which of course finds absolutely no reason ever to not give a vaccine.
And so to me, all of the information that I've gathered, in fact, I have a collection and a website that's soon to be open and the website is called debunkingvaccination.com And if people go there right now, they'll see a landing page to add your email address to get on our notification for when the website opens.
This is a collection of more than 10,000 articles only from peer-reviewed mainstream medical literature, from the CDC, from the NIH, from places that would be considered by everyone to be reputable.
Over 10,000 articles showing problems associated with vaccines, all the different vaccines, An enormous page that's in there on all of the conflicts of interest.
We have pages in there on individual ingredients and all of the cell lines and all of those things.
So in my mind, there is no doubt that vaccines have never been proven to be safe.
They don't keep you from getting sick.
And they definitely cause harm, and they're definitely not necessary.
And we're about to release this.
We've been building this for seven years now to show the entire world all the nonsense that's been going on on these mandatory vaccine laws.
That's fantastic. That's going to be such an important source of information for people that have...
For me, I have conversations about vaccines.
I'm not vaccinated. Neither am I. And we don't get ill.
I just break bones, but I don't get ill.
I don't even do that. But the conversations I have about vaccinations, the two things that get thrown back at me every single time, well three things actually.
First thing is, the science against vaccines isn't peer reviewed, which obviously your website is going to completely debunk, which is fantastic.
The second thing is there's only a handful of people that get injured by vaccines, but people not vaccinating causes more harm.
And then the third one, when I say, well, I don't vaccinate and I'm fine, so if you want to vaccinate, that's up to you.
If I don't, that's up to me.
The comeback on that is always, but you're killing herd immunity, and without herd immunity, we're all in trouble.
Have you got comments about any of those things so I can throw it back at them?
Well, let's unpack each one of those.
So let's go back to the first one.
Can you restate it? And then I'll answer it.
Yeah, just basically, if I would show an article where I would say, right, this is an article here about a vaccine-damaged child or something, it always comes back that that's not peer-reviewed, that's just a website that's there to get clickbait to sell supplements or whatever.
Well, we're about to unleash nearly 10,000 articles hand-selected from mainstream published peer-reviewed literature And I'm starting to throw these out on my Twitter page, which is V, Science Bites, V like victory, Science Bites, B-I-T-E-S, and that's from the debunking vaccination.
I'm starting to just throw these articles out.
I also have a Twitter page on, it's called the VAERS report, just showing all these articles from mainstream medical literature, and it has the link that goes right to Vaccine, Science Direct, JAMA, New England Journal, all of those different places.
So when people say that there is no science and that all of the anti-vaccine people are anti-science, they are conspiracy theorists, and they are spreading misinformation, that's pure, pure propaganda by the total definition of propaganda from the pro-vaccine side.
Just planting seeds into people's minds.
Don't look over there.
There's nothing to see.
There's nothing to see. And so it's absolutely not true.
It's just simply a lie.
And we're about ready to show that to the entire world.
That's the first thing.
But I will say another comment about that is that...
Several years ago, I gave a presentation at the Northeast Ohio Osteopathic Association in Cleveland, Ohio.
And that week, I stopped at a drug store and I bought a Sports Illustrated magazine.
And when I got to the presentation, there was about 400 people there, mostly men.
And I said, by a show of hands, how many of you either subscribe to or read on a fairly regular basis Sports Illustrated?
Well, almost every hand went up.
And I said, did anybody read this week the article on the women's field hockey tournament in Brazil?
Well, not one hand went up.
And I flipped open the magazine and I showed it.
I said, it's right here. This is exactly what you do when there's an article in your mainstream journal that shows problems associated with vaccines.
It doesn't fit into your paradigm.
It causes cognitive dissonance.
And so you flip right by it and then claim it wasn't published, that there's nothing there to see.
And I had almost everyone in the room at one point or another during the rest of the conference come up to me and go, man, you nailed it.
You were absolutely right.
When I flip through a journal and I see something that I either disagree with or I'm not interested in, I flip right by it.
So this is what the propagandists take advantage of, is the fact that people don't read things they're not interested in.
That doesn't mean that it's not there.
No. It's going into something with a preconceived idea as well of how it is rather than going into something with an open mind.
I mean, from a parent's perspective, obviously I'm not one, Gareth is.
Gareth's got a daughter and obviously Laura wasn't vaccinated.
And I think, I'd like to think, obviously for people like us that have grown up in this kind of alternative media, alternative environment, it's very easy to sit here and say this, but I'd like to think I'd be like this anyway.
Where you have a child and you're told by your mainstream physician to have a vaccine.
They need these vaccinations. I'd like to think that you'd go away and research it and look at the pros and cons of that anyway.
Obviously I know for me now, because of what I've been around my whole life, I wouldn't even consider a vaccination.
But I'd like to think that you would sit there and weigh up the pros and cons.
And just because a doctor tells you to do something, you shouldn't just do it by reflex action without questioning.
But so many do. Well, I think that the problem is that parents go away and they try to investigate the pros and cons of a particular vaccine, which is very difficult and you've got a mound of information telling you that it's okay and a much smaller pile of information that's difficult to find that tells you that it's not okay.
What I think that parents should be evaluating is the What is this illness that I am so afraid of?
Measles, moms, rubella, chicken pox, pertussis.
What is the pros and cons of having that infection?
What do I have to worry about when measles is really nothing more than a fever and a cough and a rash?
Well, maybe I know how to take care of that with vitamin D and vitamin A and keeping the kids home and keeping them hydrated and giving good food.
Okay, that's the infection.
What's the risk of this vaccine?
Oh, it can cause encephalitis, it can cause autoimmune reactions, and so I'm trying to prevent an infection that's going to come and go in a week to 10 days and leave behind a lifetime of immunity Versus giving an injection that can literally cause a disease and a lifetime of illness.
So I'm afraid of an infection and I'm not so concerned about taking on a lifetime of disease.
To me, that's where parents should be looking.
What's the issue with this infection and can I just deal with that at home?
Should I learn something about taking care of a fever?
And when is it important to see the doctor?
When is it important to just let it burn and keep them at home and keep them comfortable?
And then they can say, well, that doesn't sound so risky.
Why would I take on the risk of this vaccine when the risk of this infection is really nominal?
And to me, that's where I think parents should investigate.
How did you find it, Gaz, when you said you weren't going to vaccinate?
Did they try and bully you a little bit?
Yeah, well, they tried to bully my wife.
They didn't try and bully me. I've got kind of crazy eyes when I get a lot of sleep, and I didn't get a lot of sleep during it, so I don't think they were going to argue with me.
But we did have an interesting situation where my wife in her family has blood clotting, so they were talking about giving us a Vic-K, giving Elora a Vic-K injection as soon as she was born, and that basically helps to clot the blood in the brain for any sort of trauma for when she's been born.
So we obviously did all the research and we spoke to our midwife, who was fabulous.
We spoke to our doctor, who was great.
And they both said, no, because of what you have in your family, you shouldn't have the vit-K. Absolutely not.
Because there's blood clotting in her genes anyway, and you don't want to be clotting any more blood.
But when we didn't do that, a young doctor at the hospital who, honestly, without being insulting, did look young enough to be my daughter, she said, oh, you've not had the vit-K, and I obviously then explained in great detail as to why it wasn't and why it had been agreed with a doctor and agreed with a midwife.
And she just said, well, yeah, yeah, could get brain damage, but fine.
And it's like... Why are you throwing that at me?
Do you know what I mean? I've not slept.
This tiny little thing has been handed to me that I'm now responsible for, which is insane.
And then you're throwing a guilt at me when actually you don't know the situation.
That doctor had been indoctrinated into this is what we do.
And it wasn't taking an individual case.
I don't know why I'm being interviewed.
Sherry's more knowledgeable than me.
Well, yeah, but it's applicable to how so many people probably get vaccinated when if research was done, they wouldn't.
Yeah, they get bullied into doing stuff.
Absolutely, yeah. Well, when you look backwards in time and you look at why giving the vitamin K shot at birth is such a bad idea, First of all, there was a study that was done, I believe it was by the Canadian Pediatric Association way back in like the 70s, that they looked at the incidence of intracranial bleeds on kids when they were born, and it was infinitesimally small.
I mean, out of several million children over multiple years, I'm making this number up, so don't hold your hat on this, but it was something like under 10 people.
And they're like, well, let's just give them vitamin K. Well, here's the thing, is that babies' own livers start making vitamin K at about 7 days of age.
Because prior to that, when that baby gets compacted, you've got this 7, 8, 9, 10-pound thing coming through a pretty little finale there and squeezing that baby to get them out into the world.
You don't want them clotting because they've got microscopic tears that just happen.
And you want all the stem cells and all the white blood cells to go in and do that repair.
You don't want to be clogging up that pathway.
That's the first thing.
The second thing is one of the reasons we started giving the vitamin K shot at birth was when we started doing circumcisions in the hospital instead of doing them at seven to nine days of birth like the rabbis recommended.
Because we were doing circumcisions and so the babies were bleeding and so we gave them vitamin K so they wouldn't bleed with the circumcision.
But like I said, the liver starts making vitamin K on its own around day 7 or 8.
And that's when, you know, rabbis generally recommend, that's when circumcision is done.
So we have medicalized so many things.
And vitamin K oral drops, they've known since the 1950s.
These were actually studies done in the UK that showed that the vitamin K oral drops were better.
They were non-toxic.
They were whole foods.
They were metabolized the way that they were supposed to.
And they didn't have benzoyl peroxide, and they didn't have aluminum in them like a vitamin K shot does.
And so this is, in my opinion, one more study.
Completely medicalized, unnecessary procedure that we do to newborns.
I'm telling you. In this day and age, I don't know how any baby gets the full term and makes it out alive and gets the one year of age.
I mean, between what we do when we're vaccinating pregnant women with flu shots and pertussis vaccines, we do multiple ultrasounds which are unnecessary, we shoot up these kids with vitamin K and hepatitis B when they're minutes old, and then we start pounding them with all these vaccines at two, four, and six months of age.
When they get to one year of age, when they get an MMR and a chickenpox vaccine, four live viruses at once, is it any wonder that these kids just, their immune system just gets crushed, and they just buckle in, and they end up with brain disorders that are encephalopathy and encephalitis, which are the nice ways of saying autism, or they've got autoimmune conditions, or they have cancer.
I mean, there's this huge spike of cancer that happens When kids are about six years of age, well, what happens when they're five?
They get another big round of shots right before they start kindergarten.
And by that time, they've had fluoride and chlorine and GMO foods and lots of white sugar.
I mean, how do kids make it to five years of age these days?
I really don't know.
I think it's a miracle if your children get to be five years of age and are relatively unscathed.
Well, you've got all the radiation from smartphones and that as well now.
Yep, exactly. Throw that Pro 5G and all that into the pot.
What would you say are the...
Because the second question I asked earlier that gets thrown back at me is that the amount of vaccine-damaged kids is so tiny compared to everyone else who's great and therefore that's a better way of doing it than not having vaccinations and having all these diseases come back.
What kind of figures do you know of?
Well, first and foremost, we need to stop calling these things diseases.
We really need to change our language and make sure we emphasize their infections.
Everybody's had an infection.
They've had an ear infection, a sinus infection, a bladder infection.
You've cut your leg and you have an infection, or you have an infected hangnail.
Infections are much less scary than disease.
And what we're doing with vaccines is we're causing disease to try to prevent an infection, which is insanity.
The second thing is, to answer your question, the only thing that they really count as a vaccine injury is an anaphylactic shock Or death.
Or a seizure disorder.
Or something horrible. They don't look at the long list of health conditions that our children are experiencing today.
Like asthma, allergies.
Huge issue with allergies.
With the gelatin and the MMR vaccine and the chickenpox vaccine.
And the polysorbate 80 that's in the DPT vaccines.
Huge amounts of allergies from that.
From published literature.
So what about all the kids with asthma, allergies, eczema, ADD, ADHD, all the kids on psychotropic drugs, all the kids that have neurological seizure disorders, all the kids that just have all of these sensory integration things that we have to teach them how to eat food because they have weird tastes in their mouth and so they have to go to food therapy.
So when you ask how many kids are vaccine injured, I just say look around almost all of them.
And just because you don't end up with the worst case scenario of autism, seizure disorder, or death, Doesn't mean that these kids are unscathed.
And what if the kids look pretty normal and they don't have any of those conditions, but you've just shaved 10 IQ points off with each one of the vaccines you get.
Just shaved off a little bit of IQ each time that you've done that.
Nothing overt, nothing that you can see, but you are taking away their potential, their maximized potential, if they were not vaccinated.
Yeah, I mean, I see that.
My fiancé is a schoolteacher.
And the amount of kids in her classes, both ends of the country since we've moved, that have some kind of learning difficulty or some kind of ADHD, something like that, compared to when I went to school and Gaz would be probably even less than me, it's mad that you're sitting five or six in a class of 25.
I remember in my year at school, I had a lad that was blind, a lad that had Down syndrome, I don't remember anyone else with any kind of...
Now it's common practice.
It's all of them. My business partner in our courses for Mastery Business, where we teach people about all these vaccine issues, and that's where debunking vaccination lives and all of that, he's got a 10-year-old and an 8-year-old, and they were at summer camp.
It wasn't summer camp.
It's a camp right after school starts in the fall.
They call it outdoor school, where they take all the kids and all the Boy Scouts outside, and they go to this Boy Scout camp for a week, and they teach them Boy Scout-like things, like how to start a fire and play tug-of-war and all these things.
His oldest son, Matthew, who's 10, who's home birthed, not vaccinated, is a great kid.
He's a scholar. He's just amazing.
He said to my business partner, his dad, he said, Dad, look at the difference from last year to this year from outdoor school.
Last year, there were 50 kids here, and there were maybe 10 of them that were on daily medications.
Now there's maybe 10 who are not.
And they're whiny and cranky and they don't get along well and they have to line up for their morning medications, their noon medications, and their bedtime medications.
What have we done in one generation by all of these vaccines to try to avoid a fever, a cough, A rash and some diarrhea.
And I think that is the take-home message for parents.
Look at these infections.
What are you so afraid of?
What can you learn how to take care of at home with nutrition and some basic supplementation?
I've seen friends on quite pro-vaccine obsessive ones say, you know, so-and-so's got mumps or so-and-so's got chickenpox.
It's like, well, I had them and they were great because I just stayed home and played Mega Drive instead of going to school.
And so my outlook is the same as yours.
It's like, well, I don't remember chickenpox being that bad.
Yeah, okay, I was itchy for a bit, but...
And it builds your immune system as it's developing.
Exactly. I've fallen in bushes and got more itchy than I was when I had chickenpox.
So it's kind of... I get the point that it's not a big deal.
I mean, there will be, obviously, you know, very rare cases.
Yeah. But then that's the...
Well, you know, there's always the rare cases.
I mean, what about the kids that died drowning in a bathtub?
What about, you know, are we going to, like, sanction baths?
Like, kids can't bathe anymore because...
You know, I did a study, this was quite a few years ago now, so I know that the numbers are different today.
But in this one particular year, I'm going to say it was maybe 2001 or 2002, that there were 40 children in the state of Georgia, just in one state in the U.S., there were 40 children in the state of Georgia who had died that calendar year drowning in a bathtub.
That was more children who had died in the entire country that year from pertussis.
So when you put statistics like that into balance, I mean, it's like, are we going to, like, start outlawing bathtubs?
I mean, does a kid have to take a bath with, like, a life jacket on or something like that?
Give it time. Someone will promote that.
And a big farmer will start selling life jackets.
Yes, but, you know, I'm sure you see the insanity of this.
And why are people, you know, it's like in one generation, kids have gotten so, they don't want to, they run to their pediatrician like they genuflect to them, like there's a god.
Instead of going to their parents, the grandparents or the great-grandparents and go, hey, you know, you raised me and I turned out okay.
You know, when I got sick, what did you do for me?
We've lost that multi-generational family unit of when you have a child, why don't you ask somebody who raised you, what did you do?
Instead of running off to the pediatrician whose only tools in their toolbox are an antibiotic or a vaccine.
I beat up on pediatricians a lot, and I want to clarify that what I'm really talking about is the general pediatrician.
I do believe there are specialist pediatricians that are important, like kids that are born with inborn errors of metabolism, kids that have cancer or have insulin-dependent diabetes or things like that.
We need pediatricians to manage those diseases.
Now, here's the rub about vaccines.
Is that when vaccines are tested and brought to market, the only children in those clinical trials are healthy children who are on no medications and have no underlying health conditions at all.
So let's say that there were 800 kids in a trial.
When the vaccine becomes available, Now the pediatrician says, oh, we have to give this vaccine to every child regardless of family history or health conditions, even though that becomes a true experiment because vaccine clinical trials were never tested on anybody but a healthy child.
See, that's where the figures are skewed then, isn't it?
And one thing I want to get into is, it's the same with lots of different areas, and this is a massive one, the aggression towards any opposition from the mainstream, and Gaz kind of mentioned that earlier, the opposition and the discredit, if you like, that you all have faced.
And I think I've just got a story up here, it's kind of quite close to home for us at the moment, as you might have read.
To do with the tour that you had planned in Australia in 2015, the fact that effectively a country have banned this view from being heard there, that's an incredibly aggressive stance and suggests a deeper, more sinister reason for this information not being allowed to circulate.
Well, it certainly is.
I mean, first and foremost, we're messing with their business model.
You cannot... Build a $1.3 trillion industry on the backs of healthy, unvaccinated humans, whether that human is an adult or whether that human is an infant or an adolescent.
I mean, think about it. Both of you guys said that you were unvaccinated.
You're completely healthy.
So you're not taking chronic daily medications.
So if you're not sick...
By one reason or another, we are tapping into their pocketbook.
And I believe that there are millions of more completely unvaccinated kids out there than we really believe.
Because, you know, not everybody is like me or you or people that are willing to be vocal about this.
A lot of parents just quietly don't vaccinate their kids.
And they see the difference and they're just not sick.
And so when you are not a sick kid, Exactly.
That's exactly right.
Why they will never be a cure for cancer, never be a cure for autoimmune diseases.
And in fact, like I said, we continue to create customers for life for them through these vaccines.
So if you get a vaccine and you get an autoimmune disease or lupus or cancer, you are a customer for life.
And so I look at the vaccines as the economic loss leader of their entire business model.
It's like if you walk down the street and you see a store and there's a big sign on the door that says, come on in and get your free $30 t-shirt.
Free t-shirt. Just come in the store.
So you walk in the store and you get your free $30 t-shirt.
And while you're there, while you're in my store getting your t-shirt, I'm going to try to sell you a $1,000 Armani suit.
So that's how vaccines work, right?
You walk into the store, you get your vaccine for free, your insurance pays for it, or the health department pays for it.
Oh, and now that you're sick, I get to sell you a $1,500 per dose biologic to take care of your symptoms.
It's their business model.
If it wouldn't be so sinister, it would be a really, really smart business model.
Yeah, well, it is a good business model, isn't it?
It's just evil, but...
I mean, think about it.
In the U.S., there are 4 million live births per year in the United States.
To make vaccines mandatory and to do this big ramp-up of this vaccine schedule, I mean, think about it.
If you had, in your business, I mean, you have a store and you sell something, and you are guaranteed by the government...
4 million customers per year, every single year, year in and year out.
And not only are you going to get all these babies that you can vaccinate, there's going to be anywhere from 10% to 100% of those babies who are going to end up with some sort of a health condition that you get to sell them one more product in your store.
So not only do you get to sell them the vaccines, now you get to sell them A product for their asthma and a product for their autoimmune disease and a product for their ADD and their ADHD. I mean, it is an unbelievably incredible business model if it wasn't so absolutely evil and sinister.
I think the thing you see with it, the excuse is always, you know, it's for health.
And I look at it and I think, well, okay.
Why isn't healthy eating mandatory?
Why isn't going to the gym mandatory?
Why is it not illegal to smoke?
Why is it not illegal to drink alcohol and take drugs if If it's about health.
So I often look at people that I know that are very pro-vax, but they'll have 10 pints on a Saturday night, smoke a pack of cigarettes and then go for a kebab.
And so I don't understand.
It's not about health.
So then they then come back with that.
Well, it's the herd immunity.
That's what it is. That's always the thing.
I keep hearing it all the time.
Is that something you hear a lot of people throw back at you?
No. Yes, because they don't understand what they're really talking about.
They're just throwing out a term that they don't understand.
Herd immunity was initially studied back in the 1930s, and it had to do with a confined group of people who contracted a real infection.
and that real infection engaged both arms of their immune system in the presence of fever,
that they developed a real ability to stop the transmission of the infection from one person to the other.
And when 55% of people in a community had contracted a real infection and had real immunity,
that from, like I said, both sides of their immune system in the presence of fever, they had real immunity.
Then when they got exposed to that virus, whether it's measles or chicken pox or pertussis, which is a bacteria or any of those things, that they wouldn't colonize and they wouldn't spread it to the next people.
When that studies came out, they said it appears as though that when 55 to 60% of a community has had a real infection, it tends to protect the extremes of the community, the very young and the very old.
Well, isn't it just convenient that the vaccine industry rolled over and they applied this thing that only was meant to...
To be discussed in terms of real infection into a vaccination rate that now you have to have a vaccination rate of 95% or higher to ostensibly protect everybody in the, quote, herd. Except for the fact that every time that we've had an outbreak of one of these infections, and they do a retrospective analysis of measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox, pertussis, even meningitis, when they go back and look,
like 95% of those people who contracted the illness had one, two, or three of those vaccines.
So what did it do?
It did nothing but make you sick and It did not keep you from getting the infection, but it did induce a disease and make you sicker.
So this whole concept of herd immunity, it's like a knee-jerk reflex.
It's like saying polio is paralysis.
It's like saying polio, oh, that's kids with braces.
Oh, polio, it's like paralyzed limbs.
Without even knowing what you're talking about.
It's like saying, oh, sun rises in the east.
Oh, sun sets in the west.
I mean, it's like this knee-jerk reflex to try to shut down the conversation around a topic that the person who's saying it knows nothing about.
I think that's quite a nice place for us to finish up.
For people that are not too knowledgeable on these topics, where's the best place for them to go to get really good, as Gareth pointed out, accredited information on this to be able to form a rounded opinion?
Well, we have a bunch of websites, but the place I really like to direct your audience, number one, is Vaxter.com.
That's our daily news about vaccines and vaccine articles, and that's where my blog posts are.
When you go to Baxter.com, you can see Dr.
Tenpenny's blog and you can read the articles that I wrote.
And that's our email list.
And we're really heavily promoting that email list right now because of all of the horrific stuff that's going on in social media.
We don't know how much longer we're going to be on Facebook like anybody, you know?
And so we really want people to sign up for our list so we can stay in contact with you.
Because we've got things that we're developing in the background.
So between vaxter.com and also masteringvaccineinfo.com, if you go there and you'll get on our list for all of our courses and everything that's coming, And debunkingvaccination.com is where we are going to be able to find all those articles probably within the next week or two.
Fabulous. We're going to be putting up a much easier site where everything will be consolidated under courses4mastery.com, courses4mastery.com, and that's going to be done within a week.
And so you can go there and you can see all the logos for all of our different elements of educational things that we do.
You'll be able to go to coursesformastery.com and click on the logo and it will take you to right where you want to be.
Fabulous. What we'll do is we'll get a list of those.
If you could message us a list of those just after this and I'll put it all in the description below the podcast so people can just click through to all of those sites.
Sounds good. Okay. We'd love to speak to you again later at some point once the site's been up a bit and we'll see what the responses are to that information because that debunks a lot of what we've spoken about in terms of the anti-vaccination lobby not being as accredited or as credible as the pro-vaccine lobby.
So, yeah, thank you very much for joining us and good luck with everything and we'll speak again soon.
You're welcome. Thanks for having me.
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