What Paramedics Saw During COVID: Harry Fisher on DarkHorse
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Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse podcast Inside Rail.
I am sitting with a fascinating guest this morning.
We have with us Harry Fisher.
Now, Harry Fisher will not be well known to most of you.
He is a paramedic, former EMT, and he has been quite outspoken about what he has seen in the field on the front lines in the aftermath of the emergence of COVID and then especially the emergence of the vaccines following the rollout in 2021.
I'm a paramedic that did CPR in a Pfizer line.
So without further ado, Harry, welcome to Dark Horse.
Thank you very much for having me.
I appreciate it, Brett.
Nice to meet you, Doc.
So I've been following your posts with a good degree of fascination and trepidation for some time now.
And I think probably the place to start is just to establish who you are and therefore what you know.
I've said that you are a paramedic, but I think for most of the audience, the distinction between an EMT, a paramedic, and maybe even an ambulance driver is a little subtle.
So what is a paramedic and how does it compare to those other things?
Well, first thing you do to you become an EMT.
So I became an EMT back in 1997.
EMT would be our basic level.
Those are the people that typically drive the ambulance.
I count on my EMTs to keep me alive and my patients alive.
Our EMTs are supposed to know the ambulance in and out, know where our supplies are just as well as I do or better.
So whenever I ask them for something or I need assistance with something, they know where to grab it and what to do.
I utilize my EMT like a doctor would utilize their nurse in an ER.
Because when we're on scene, like if I go up to a code, someone who has died, I can look at my EMT and just ask them for anything and they'll pretty much have it for me.
So that's what an EMT does.
And then you go to more years of school to become a paramedic.
And after years of school, you become a paramedic and then you don't ever really drive again, typically.
You're not driving an ambulance.
You're in the background.
How many additional years of school?
It's total of, I went to a total of two years, two years of school.
You can fast track like a little bit less than that if you're capable or have someone that can fast track you, but typically about two years of school.
Two years.
Okay.
So a paramedic is effectively functioning.
I don't want to use terminology that's going to get you or me in trouble, but you're functioning in the role of a doctor who is specialized on the emergency conditions in the field.
And the EMT is a technical specialist on the equipment and procedures so that they can aid the paramedic in saving lives.
That sounds correct.
Yeah, that sounds correct.
We like to say we're not doctors because we're not doctors.
Doctors go to a lot more school than us, but we are crash course on pretty much everything an ER can do during a code except for chest tubes.
And, you know, we don't carry blood on our ambulances, but I'll show up to a scene if someone's passed away in their home.
I'll innovate them.
I can read, you know, heart rhythms.
I can shock.
I can give you the medications like they're going to do an ER.
I'll start the IVs, innovation.
And then if I can't actually, you know, get a pulse back or get a shockable rhythm, then I can make a phone call to my medical director, tell them everything that I've done, and then I'll call them on scene and won't ever even transport the patient.
Got it.
Now, I'm imagining that Every case is different, but that there are going to be patterns and that experience is going to count for a lot because of the number of different idiosyncrasies that you have seen in a past case.
Is that a reasonable guess?
Pattern recognition is something that we, to be a good medic, you need good pattern recognition.
And there has been definitely some pattern changes from pre-COVID to post-COVID.
It's been night and day.
Okay.
And you've been in the field.
I think you were an EMT before you were a paramedic.
And so your history in the field goes back to 1997, if I understand correctly.
You've also been an Army medic in Air Force.
Okay, so we're talking about a lot of not just training and knowledge, but experience with actual cases.
Yes, sir.
Now, as well as you can, can you tell me what was life like prior to COVID and what changed once COVID hit?
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Prior to COVID, typical calls would be, you know, your abdominal pains.
You'd run strokes, you'd run heart attacks.
You'd run the strokes, you'd run the heart attacks, you'd run trauma, you'd run your typical calls.
People get sick, people die.
That's never changed.
That's always been a thing.
We live, we die.
COVID hits and it actually got really slow.
When COVID hit, the TV was saying, Hospitals are overwhelmed.
No, hospitals were not overwhelmed during when COVID started to the middle of COVID.
They weren't, we weren't overwhelmed.
We were actually really slow taking like a lot of people were taking naps in the ambulances.
It was that kind of slow.
I went into children's hospitals while the TV was screaming, OMG, OMG, they're getting overrun.
You could hear crickets in the children's hospitals because children weren't going to school.
They weren't going out and catching the normal viruses.
They weren't going out and getting sick.
They were being trapped in their homes.
We weren't running the traumas, which is typically what you're running, you know, a lot of children during those times.
It just wasn't happening.
And then the shots rolled out and we got slammed.
I mean, it was, it was really hard when the shots rolled out.
And how, so the shots rolled out over time.
At first, they were in short supply.
They were being reserved.
You know, I remember thinking, you know, I wasn't alarmed enough at the very beginning, but I was alarmed that a new technology was being deployed at scale and that we were being told it was safe, which no one could possibly know.
And I remember, you know, oh, medical professionals are all going to get it first and thinking that can't possibly be smart.
And I remember saying to Heather, I think on camera, something like, that's an insane thing to do.
Can we maybe consider starting with half?
Because what if these shots are lethal?
You don't want to vaccinate an entire group of necessary people, especially in a pandemic, if you don't know what happens next.
So anyway, the point is the shots didn't roll out all at once.
Everybody who's watching this is going to remember that.
There were priority categories.
There were people trying to cut the line.
Sam Harris was famously waiting because the shots had short shelf life.
If they had leftover shots at the end of the day, people who weren't technically eligible could get one of those leftover shots.
So, you know, it was, it wasn't rolled out all at once because there wasn't the capacity.
There weren't the number of shots necessary to do that.
So how did it look?
Can as well as you can, can you give me like a timeline of when you started to see activity pick up?
Whenever they started doing the whole, when they started releasing the shots, I noticed because they started having what I called Pfizer lines or shot lines because whoever they were letting get the shots, which to us, they came into our medical bays, our ambulance bays, because we had a huge ambulance bay with tons of ambulances coming in and out in Oklahoma City.
And they literally just set up a table and asked us, anyone who wants the vaccine can come get it, you know, after your shift, dah, dah, dah, or before your shift, which was wild to me.
And I just, I didn't.
I didn't, you know, it's time I wasn't even worried about it.
I've already been working during all of it.
And I was just like, wasn't something I wanted to do.
But at that time, they started doing those lines, those vaccine lines.
Now, what age groups and who all they were letting do it at that time that I'm talking about, I'm not 100%.
I know the line was full of different age groups that I originally went to because I got a 911 call.
They called me to this large line.
And at the front of the line, a lady, not an old lady, a younger lady, just took her shot and she died.
She died.
I got called to a full arrest.
And I get there and fire department's doing chest compressions.
There's this whole line of people watching this occur.
And I get in there, look at what's going on, end up innovating the patient, shocked her three times.
She was in V-TAC.
She didn't have hives.
She didn't look like an allergic reaction.
She looks looked like her heart went into a lethal arrhythmia.
She just died.
I worked her, worked her, worked her.
And of course, I packed, I packaged her up on a backboard and we got her to the nearest heart hospital after that, just our nearest hospital that could take care of that problem, basically.
But before we left, the nurse came over and said, this is the second one in two weeks.
So within two weeks, there were two people that I know of that died in that one makeshift Pfizer line, whatever you wanted to call those clinics or makeshift.
Okay, so hold on.
So this sounds to me as a biologist super anomalous.
Not only do you have people dying in the immediate aftermath of getting the shot, but they're not showing signs of having an anaphylactic reaction.
Is that fair?
No signs, no, no swelling, easy innovation, no hives.
It did not look like an anaphylactic reaction.
It looked like a, it looked like an induced lethal heart arrhythmia.
It was, and for someone in their, you know, in their 30s, that's it's very atypical.
It's not normal.
And then what rang all my bells was when the nurse literally said that was the second one within two weeks.
So I don't know how many.
I know I tried to get the information out on that particular case and what I was about this and have been censored and censored and censored.
And no one at our local media wanted to hear about it at the time because I tried.
They didn't care to call me back.
So I don't, I couldn't tell you the actual numbers that have that have died right after taking their shot because I wasn't even allowed to tell what I experienced.
Well, and this is one of the things I think we've learned in the aftermath of the so-called emergency is that behind the scenes, it was decided that we would not be allowed access to even basic true information so that we could formulate a sense for ourselves about how dangerous these were.
And, you know, let's say that your Pfizer line in Oklahoma City was just a statistical anomaly and that you had two deaths in a couple of weeks, people immediately following their shot.
It wasn't anaphylaxis, but that the rest of the country didn't see anything like that.
Well, if you were to formulate a sense of how dangerous these things were, you would want the fact that, yes, there have been a couple of deaths.
It's very isolated.
There's no general pattern, but you can only formulate that if you're allowed to talk about what's true, right?
The fact that there are adverse events after a shot should shock nobody.
Of course, there would be, especially deployed as widely as these were.
The question is, how many?
Is it an anomalously large number compared to other shots, for example?
Well, you don't know if somebody has said, we're not going to be able to talk about any adverse event because we want everybody getting the shot.
And anything that spooks them is off limits, which is effectively the command that went out.
And we would have a degree of understanding had we not.
And I finally put that online, when I finally got the guts to put my face on screen, I originally did it on TikTok.
And I just said, I think it was like, I'm Harry Fisher.
I'm a paramedic.
I did CPR on a Pfizer line.
That line lost two patients within two weeks.
It was a really short to the point video.
And I put it on TikTok.
And I mean, it got within hours, millions of views, but the comments were just rolling in.
You know, when you get a, you know, whenever you get something that goes completely viral and the comments just start going, you can't keep up with the comments.
These comments were, I lost my dad right after the shot.
I lost my mother right after the shot.
I lost my brother.
I lost my uncle.
I lost my cousin.
That's all proof.
That's it.
That's all if that was allowed to stay, we would have been able to actually calculate something.
But the problem was within hours and millions of views and thousands of comments, thousands of pieces of evidence, it was all deleted by TikTok and they deleted it for quote unquote terroristic activity.
They called me a terrorist for doing that.
Yeah, it was mind-blowing.
Do you know what that's about?
Because I find people run across this weird claim of terrorism.
Of course, in the middle of the pandemic, the Department of Homeland Security defined mistis and malinformation as forms of terrorism, mistis and malinformation being mistakes, lies, and true things that make you distrust authority.
Amazingly, that's what they define malinformation.
And they claimed it was a kind of terrorism, which many people understood to be ridiculous.
What they did not understand was that there is a reason that the powers that be were shoehorning things that have nothing to do with terrorism at all into that category.
And it's because that category has been turned into a constitutional loophole.
Anything that constitutes terrorism triggers all of these unconstitutional provisions like the indefinite detention provision of the NDAA of 2012.
So anyway, to make a long story short, as soon as you are defined as engaged in terrorism or supporting terrorism or terrorist-like activities, then their right to surveil you without having to run it by a court kicks into gear.
So presumably, if somebody like you is accused of terrorism, it's like, well, that's ridiculous.
That'll never stand up in court.
But it's not about court.
It's about somebody wanting to see your text messages and figure out what you're going to say next and where, right?
So I don't know if you realize that, but it's about triggering rights that they shouldn't have relative to you.
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No, it makes perfect sense.
And thankfully, after the, I guess it was a solid day, I went through, I went through like this fear.
I had some fear.
Like I had real fear, like they're calling me a terrorist for just like, because I realized at that point something huge was occurring.
Like this was massive.
And then I got mad.
But what can you do with that?
Well, you tell more truth.
You utilize that anger and you try to use it as righteous anger.
And righteous anger tells truth.
Now, I went through my levels of fear, anger, bargaining, all the way to exact.
And I went through all the stages of death here, you know, because my nation has been something that I've just treasured for my whole life.
My grandfather fought for our country.
My whole family's patriots.
And so seeing that we were that corrupt or owned by that much corruption was a very tough thing to come to grips with.
But I've also realized there's good people left.
Just a lot of good people were in fear of what was occurring, of this virus.
So they just went along to go along.
I believe now that good people or even more good people are waking up.
And the ones that have been present and silent are starting to actually speak out because they too know how drastic, how dire of a situation we're in.
And if this happens again, we're in a lot of trouble.
Like we're in a lot of trouble if this occurs again.
We have to be loud.
I agree.
I must say I am not heartened.
I have the impression of somebody who became alarmed comparatively early and has been very public and has paid that price.
And, you know, that's in the past for me.
But I'm watching, you know, one of two things has to be true.
Either I'm wrong about how severe the reactions were, or all the EMTs, paramedics, doctors, nurses, morticians, insurance adjusters, no, right?
Either the pattern is not as serious as I think, or it would have been visible to all of those people inevitably, right?
A massive uptick in the number of bodies coming through your mortuary would be noticed.
So what that means is either I'm wrong or you have a lot of morticians who are not publicly saying anything.
There have been a few who've come forward, but a lot of them aren't saying anything.
Most doctors have said nothing, right?
Which I find shocking.
Nurses have been more public, but still most of them silent.
So you're not wrong.
That's why.
Go ahead.
You're not wrong.
I'm dating a director of a major hospital chain.
I've been dating, dating her for quite some time.
And she is well aware of what we're saying to be truth.
So much so that even whenever her hospital chains mandated the shot, she was getting people religious exemptions under the table so they could actually fill it out, trying to help people that way.
And she still won't come out publicly and say anything.
I know many doctors that will not speak publicly, but behind closed doors talk to me just fine.
They'll tell me how it's been like being in a concentration camp.
I've had doctors say, I had to figure out a way to prescribe ivermectin to my communities because they would fire me if they knew I was doing it.
It's like being in a concentration camp.
We know.
People out there know they're just afraid to speak out.
And for good reason.
I spoke out and lost.
Not only did I lose my job during the mandates for a couple months until they had to hire me back because they didn't have enough staff and they let me finally use my religious exemption, but I've been fired.
I was working up in Alaska and I went into our clinic when they wanted me to give the COVID shots because they sent us these COVID shots.
And this was not long ago, a year and a half ago.
I was working up in the tundra.
They sent us the COVID shots and I told them, I told my medical director, I'm not going to give these shots.
I can't do it.
I even posted online.
You can go back on my X page and find it if anybody out there wants to look.
And I went into my clinic and I grabbed the Pfizer shots and I pulled out the vaccine insert and I just started reading from the vaccine insert.
On the vaccine insert, finally, it's not blank anymore on the Pfizer one.
The Moderna still is intentionally blank last I saw.
It says intentionally blank.
The Pfizer one, you can read it.
And I was reading it and it literally says on there, we do not have enough information for pregnant women to tell you if it's good or bad.
Yet they mandated it for pregnant women in the medical field.
They mandated this shot and they had not enough information to tell you if it could hurt you or your baby or not.
That's criminal.
Not only did they have not enough information, but what information they did have pointed in the direction of a severe problem.
The biodistribution studies, which were admittedly done in rats, suggested that these things actually preferentially landed in female reproductive organs.
You know, when Steve Kirsch spoke about that pattern on Dark Horse, it triggered a series of events that got us demonetized and left us that way for five years.
It's an insane, insane set of conclusions to derive under these circumstances, especially where we had all been led to believe the disease itself was far more dangerous than it turned out to be.
Agreed.
To say all that, they saw that video.
My social media got to my HR department.
And even though I was the only medic for thousands of people where I was at, the only one there at the time, they still elected to have security come get me, escort me to a plane while it was snowing in the tundra and escort me off the tundra because I read that online.
I just gave the information from the insert online, and that was enough to fire me from that job.
Well, my friends, my coworkers, doctors, nurses, paramedics, they know that this happens to you if you speak out.
So of course they're going to be quiet.
I mean, when you have big brother or whatever you want to call it, big pharma brother who owns everything, the corruption is so deep and they will take your job, your livelihood away from you like that.
They don't want to speak.
I'm going to push back on you a little bit.
And I know that you will be in agreement because you've chosen to speak out.
So I know where your values put you.
But everybody is very comfortable that if you put them back in, you know, Germany in the 30s, that they would have done the right thing.
Well, here you've had a miniature test of the question of whether you do the right thing when it's frightening to do the right thing, when you're being threatened.
And almost everybody failed it.
So in other words, I think this was the test of that question.
And I think the answer came back to us and is still coming back to us.
It's not that dangerous in 2025, if you're a doctor, to say these shots had terrible unintended consequences.
I've seen it personally.
Maybe others have a different experience, but I wouldn't take one, right?
I'm not saying that would be costless, but a lot of us have paid a high price to make that something that you can say, you and me among them.
And for them not to say it now tells you it doesn't take very much intimidation.
It doesn't take very much, you know, threat to your livelihood to keep you quiet, which is in effect why this is still controversial at all.
I don't disagree.
I mean, that's it's not really much of, I mean, it's not much of a pushback because I agree most of the world's cowardly.
I just don't hate them for being cowardly.
I know they're cowardly, so I don't trust them.
I don't think you do either.
But I mean, I just, a lot, there's a lot of anger from some friends of mine that speak out towards the cowards.
And I don't hate you, fight people for being cowardly.
I just, I wouldn't trust them with my children.
I wouldn't, I wouldn't trust a coward to watch my house.
And our house has been raised.
A coward is a lethal danger.
Yeah.
And I will say it's one thing for people to be frightened.
A lot of effort was put into making sure that they were frightened and it was effective.
If you're a doctor, you took an oath.
You just did.
And my feeling is if you have to violate that oath to remain a doctor, what are you doing remaining a doctor?
Right.
At the point that medicine requires you to violate that oath egregiously in order to keep your job, I think you need to look at yourself in the mirror and say, is this a job that I must keep?
Or do I, am I obligated by that oath to fight to make the job honorable again?
And if it won't be made honorable again, maybe I should be doing something else.
I don't disagree.
The tough part to one of the tough things that is happening right now is there's a mainstream media that's very corrupt.
And there's mainstream journals with peer review corruption, like complete corruption.
The whole process is sadly destroyed.
So they can fall back on fake peer review papers.
They can fall back on mainstream papers that are fake.
It's not only do they want to have denial, they want to be in denial for the bad thing that they have done and that they've allowed to happen to their communities.
So that's already there.
That wants, please don't let this be real.
But then they have this corruption that's giving them the ammunition to just remain in denial.
So it's tough.
So, all right, I think I derailed you.
You were telling me about the pattern both after COVID began and before the shots.
And then as the shots rolled out, what did you see?
As the shots rolled out, they started actually, when the shots started rolling out and more and more, not only were we seeing people with injuries, people with heart attacks, strokes, but we were, they also, around that time, they started like becoming more lax on the rules.
Like kids started at some point and they're starting to go back to school, started coming out.
They started saying, you know, you can come out of your house now, guys.
You know, it's okay now.
And so people started venturing out.
So we started having the, what would have been the normal calls of the past, more of those.
And then we started having, of course, sicker kids because kids have been in their house for a long time and it's time to go ahead and start the things that typically kids get sick with the RSVs.
And then we started getting hit with strange things.
I mean, new onset seizures, just a lot of new onset seizures.
And I was asking the question, have you taken any of these vaccines?
And the typical answer was yes.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
I mean, I started running things like a 12-year-old stroke that was just playing kickball.
And I went to a school.
I never ran a 12-year-old stroke in my entire career, like ever.
And within weeks had had their second Pfizer shot.
So things like that, we started seeing, I started seeing things that I had never seen in my career.
Like that 12-year-old stroke.
And then the seizure calls, we always saw seizures, but now the seizure calls were just quadruple.
It was just, we were running to like, at one point, I think I was running to the same school three or four times a shift sometimes on new onset seizures.
And I would ask the questions.
And most of the medics wouldn't ask that question.
Then most of the medics still will not ask that question.
Have you taken the COVID shots?
I deem that pertinent past medical history.
Most feel like it's taboo.
They don't want to ask you that question because they feel like you're doing something really bad if you ask an obvious question.
Hey, did you take an experimental shot that was mandated or no one else in the world has ever taken until they told us you had to take it?
That should be something that we should ask all the time.
Because people will ask, hey, do you smoke?
Do you drink?
Why not?
Did you take an experimental substance that even the manufacturer says can cause strokes and heart attacks and other things?
But we also are running.
Especially in light of, and we can come back to this mechanistically a little later, but the particular shot in question is not normal.
No.
The way it works is that it hijacks your tissues and causes them to do something new.
So originally they lied to us and they said it stays in the deltoid.
Yeah, two things are true.
One, it was never going to stay in the deltoid.
You're injecting a fluid into a space with a limited volume.
It's going to leak out at some rate.
But the other thing is they specifically instructed that those who were administering the shot not aspirate the syringe to see if they had landed in a blood vessel.
And by mandating that, they said to prevent vaccine hesitancy, they didn't want to leave the needle in the arm any longer than necessary or cause any extra pain.
What they did was they ensured that some fraction of injections would be accidentally, intravenously injected.
And then it's going to land in every tissue in the body that's perfused with blood vessels.
So one of the themes I want to check in with here is I think part of the reason that it is hard to nail down the story of the adverse events is that by their very nature, it's almost every tissue in the body and almost every way that it can fail, because effectively what this shot does is creates a kind of tissue roulette where you don't know where it's going to go.
And once it goes there, you don't know what the consequence for you is going to be when your cells start making a foreign protein and then your immune system destroys those cells.
And the question is, well, each of these pathologies is going to be a relatively small number of people.
If you sum them together as, you know, arbitrary damage to the body induced by these shots, it's a huge number.
Right.
So partly it's a shell game of making sure that we categorize all of the events as separate pathologies when really the overarching pathology is like somebody pointed radiation at random at your body and destroyed a bunch of tissue.
And the question is, what happens if you do that?
If we had a ray that put radiation through your body in some random place, some people would end up with no noticeable pathology.
Some people would die on the spot because their heart would fail.
Some people would end up with an aneurysm.
It would be all of these different pathologies in small numbers because the body's a big place and the damage is arbitrary.
So, yeah.
When you're dealing with coded technology and you're dealing with things that are, I mean, lipid nanoparticle, when you're dealing with nanotechnology that's coded technology that was literally created by an AI system, you can look at the MIT article.
I was there whenever AI created a vaccine.
They were talking about the COVID vaccine and the coding.
Most of the general public will not ever look into technology.
They just won't.
It's like watching the 1980s when computers were rolling out to Congress and they were like tubes and wires.
It's the same thing when we're talking about nanotechnology to the general public.
So I typically steer clear of that for the most part because it's like talking to a wall to most people.
But you're right.
It's what's that nanotech that was that coded nanotech going to do in individual people?
Right now, I would say it's just the easiest thing.
It's causing inflammation in people and whatever part of your body that was weakest inside you individually, it's attacking.
I'm seeing it attack people with colon cancer, kidney failure, liver failure.
I'm seeing people that didn't ever drink before having hepatitis type symptoms, getting jaundiced.
I'm seeing aortic aneurysms like I've never seen before in my life.
I've never seen this many people have aortic dissections and aortic aneurysms in my entire career.
It was actually rare then.
It's not rare today.
Whenever I hear rare, sorry.
Let's drill down on that.
Sorry, I don't mean to keep interrupting you.
Oh, you're fine.
You're fine.
You say fascinating things, and I want the audience to understand their import.
Aortic dissection.
Can you describe what that is?
Yes.
An aortic dissection typically was very rare in my career until the COVID shots.
And your aorta is a, let's just say, it's a huge vessel that carries, carries blood and oxygenated blood.
It carries blood.
And if you dissect it, you're going to bleed out.
Typical dissection will start.
Dissect means when you dissection means it rips open.
Rips open.
When it tears.
This is the thing that killed John Ritter in whatever year that would have been on the set of his sitcom.
Right?
I didn't know that.
You remember that?
Okay.
But anyway, it's a essentially always fatal or nearly always fatal.
Yeah.
If you dissection, I can't typically you're dead.
There's not, I mean, I can, I'll do chest impressions on you, but I'll start seeing blood come.
You'll, it's a very bloody mess, especially whenever I inubate.
I'll, I, I've, I'll know without being told later that it's a dissection.
Like when I inubate, it looks like a well spewing blood out of the tube.
It just sprays everywhere.
Um, that's one way.
So what that says, so what that says when that happens is that some weakness either existed in the heart or was formed into the heart by some insult and the pressure has burst the aorta, right?
Aneurysm isn't terribly different.
You want to describe an aneurysm?
Aneurysm, basically, it's the best way to aneurysm like a blockage or a clot that starts.
Now, what that could lead to is what we're talking about, that dissection where it bursts.
But most of the time, that looks like an aneurysm.
It starts to bleed or a stroke, and then it can turn into a head bleed.
When it's in the aorta, though, you'll start feeling typically pain that radiates to your back.
A lot of people call it like a tearing sensation that they feel all the way from their abdomen to their back.
And like I said, we didn't used to see that very often.
Textbooks would tell us about it.
I think I saw one maybe in my career before the COVID shots rolled out.
I mean, gosh, dozens and dozens.
I mean, I've seen a lot now, like a lot, enough to go, wow, something definitely has changed.
The last give you an example real quick.
I was working a contract in an ER.
The COVID shots already been started giving, like, they're already through the second COVID shot for pretty much everyone.
And this kid comes in.
He was early 20s.
He was having abdominal pain and chest pain.
And we did a workup on this kid.
He's a kid to me.
I'm in my mid-40s, so he's a young man.
And we did a workup on the doctors dismissed him because early on, if a young kid comes in with chest pain, it was always just anxiety.
Could be something, but for the most part, doctors just saw that as probably nothing.
Do a quick workup, check the cardiac enzymes, do an EKG.
Very rare, very rare for a healthy young person to have a catastrophic failure.
Used to be.
Now I don't see that as the case.
But they blew off the kid, you know, kid left.
Kid comes back about 45 minutes later or so, worse, now radiating into his back.
They do another checkup on him.
I talked to him.
I was, you know, starting an IV again and talking to him.
He took two COVID shots.
We were having a conversation.
I went back to doing what I was doing because I was doing rober position in the ER.
And they sent the kid home again.
And the kid made it to the door of the ER and collapsed, died.
We get him, we go out, get him, put him on cot, start doing compressions.
He's very dead.
And he ended up dissecting.
He had a dissected aorta in early 20s.
That's the kind of stuff we're seeing.
Okay.
So we've already begun to hint at it, but one of the big questions for me is if these shots are dangerous, as dangerous as I think they are, and in the way that I think they are, then not only would you have seen the pattern, you've reported a massive uptick in the number of calls, right?
For a given community of a given size, the number of calls goes up.
You report two reasons for that.
One is that people have gone back to normal stuff like falling off of ladders.
Okay.
So that's not important in this question.
But the other thing is there's a massive uptick in weirdo failures of the body, like aortic dissections in young people.
But if this is, if the story that you and I are developing here is accurate, then one of the patterns that you will see is not only a massive uptick in the number of such events, but their anomalousness with respect to things like age, right?
The older you get, the more likely it is that your aorta can blow out.
You can get a tear in a blood vessel in your brain or a clot or a clot that causes a tear, whatever.
Random failures can happen in old people.
The older you are, the more likely that is to be true.
But with respect to age, what was the pattern that you saw as the vaccines rolled out and after they had rolled out with respect to who you were seeing having major medical catastrophes?
Night and day, so much so now.
If I get a call of any age, any age, and they say they're having chest pain, you're getting EKG.
I'm checking because I've seen now too many actual elevation in leads for young kids, meaning heart attacks in young kids, you know, MIs and young children, strokes in young children.
If I hear a kid say they, if I see a kid's facial droop, I'm no longer going, no way.
Now I'm like, I know they took a Pfizer, Moderna.
I know they took one of those shots if I see one of these things happening and we see it happening.
And I can't stress enough.
It's super obvious.
And I hate, I do not like utilizing the word obvious because a lot of people hear obvious and they just tune it out.
But it is.
It's just to anyone who's been in the field before and after, you know, a change occurred during those shots because we had never seen things like this occur before the shots.
Like not you'd heard, you've heard about, hey, a kid had a stroke, but he had all these comorbidities, da-da-da-da, and it happened in Chicago or da-da-da-da.
You know, you heard about a study or something, but you didn't ever see it.
Now you see it.
So before 2021, actually, let's do this.
Let's start with before 2020, before COVID was a phenomenon.
Did you see people 25 and under have a heart attack?
No, that was one or two, but I mean, like lots of cocaine and admitted to cocaine use for like many days in a row or something like that.
I mean, those kind of cases that you would see every once in a while, but even the ones in their early 20s doing butt tons of cocaine, no, you wouldn't even see them having heart attacks like this.
I mean, they so absent some sort of profound toxic insult.
No, you were not seeing heart attacks in people 25 and younger prior to COVID.
Now, I saw one case of myocarditis in my entire career before all of this.
Before the shots rolled out, I saw one case of myocarditis that I can remember.
And that's because the doctor, because I did the EKG and I went to the doctor, I was working in the ER and I said, hey, this kid's having an MI.
Kid was in his, he was late teens, early 20s, young black kid.
And remember the scenario.
And I walked in and said, hey, he's having an MI.
He's got elevation 2,3 AVF.
He's got inferior MI.
And the doctor was like, I bet it's myocarditis.
And I was like, what's that?
You know, what is that?
And he explained it to me, you know, and myocarditis, it's going to change the young man's life forever.
He's going to have to change his diet.
It's heart inflammation.
It's not good.
It's not a good prognosis for the young man, but it's not going to kill him right now.
And we're not going to send him to the cath lab.
We've got to do all the blood work first, you know, and do the chest x-rays and everything else the doctor wanted to do to confirm it was myocarditis.
But it ended up being myocarditis.
So I knew what myocarditis was whenever they started talking about it a lot, you know, especially when the shots rolled out.
But that was the only one that I could think of that I ever saw until the shots rolled out.
And then when they tried to downplay myocarditis, that highly annoyed me because there is no such thing as mild myocarditis.
Yeah, it's a radically life-shortening condition.
What my audience has grown tired of hearing me say is myocarditis is not a pathology.
It's a symptom, which raises the question of what the pathology is that caused the inflammation.
But nonetheless, it's very serious and was rare until the COVID shots.
Now, again, with respect to age, how often before 2020 did you see a person 25 or younger have a stroke?
Never.
Never.
That wasn't a thing.
No.
Okay.
No, I mean, 25 or younger, I can't think of one off the top of my head at all.
Certainly not in their teens or early teens or 12.
Never.
Yeah.
So this reminds me.
I remember somewhere, you know, Heather and I spent a couple of years with our eyes just constantly bulging at all of the madness that we were seeing and all of the things that we were being told that were preposterous and they were just being said as if they were obvious.
Like, you know, I remember there was a campaign, you know, kids get strokes too.
It's like, no, they fucking don't.
I laugh because it's so, God forgive me.
I mean, that's the paramedic in me.
Just like, yeah.
I don't laugh because it's funny.
I laugh because I don't want to cry.
Like it's, it's sick.
The amount of gaslighting, it's highly annoying, especially whenever you're going to work and seeing it firsthand when you're doing the chest compressions, when you're trying to save these lives.
And then you hear someone on the TV who's probably never treated a patient before that's in charge of some agency going, it's so normal to have strokes when you're young.
No, it's not.
It's far from normal.
This is murder.
Like it's, it's truly murder at this point.
I can't, I would like to say it's not, but after they censor me and call me a terrorist for trying to warn people, it's like the people are walking off a cliff and I'm trying to warn you, please don't walk off that cliff.
And then all these people who are in charge are saying, it's not a cliff.
Have fun.
That's murder to me.
I don't know what else to say.
No, it's look, it's tantamount to it.
The fact is you're trying to warn people about a pattern that you're seeing.
You're being told not to talk about that pattern.
And that pattern is materially important for these people to make an informed choice about their own health care.
And, you know, I know what will happen.
There will be sophistry about this.
I've just said, no, children fucking don't get strokes.
And of course, there's going to be a bunch of people who are going to say, oh, yes, they do.
I'm a such and such doctor.
And they're going to cite some anomalous case or somebody with a ton of comorbidities, thereby, you know, pretending that my meaning isn't accurate.
My meaning is healthy people don't have strokes when they're young.
We're better built than that.
It's a failure.
And they'll utilize their, they'll utilize their anecdotal information and actually completely demonize my anecdotal information whenever I ran the 12-year-old stroke who had no comorbidities, wasn't on any medications, and within weeks took her second Pfizer shot.
And she had no health history whatsoever, super healthy, completely stroked out.
And that's just one case that I'm talking about of my anecdotal information, which I reported and sent in my report.
Right.
But their anecdotes of some kind of thing that happened years ago with somebody who was born with multiple holes in their heart and da-da-da-da-da-da, that I'll never run that call because those kids will always be in the hospital until they die, typically.
So I'm not running those calls typically.
Well, I don't see those patients.
Look, there is a reason that we are talking to Harry Fisher about an anecdotal set of experiences.
And that is because the system is refusing to responsibly study this question.
And so, you know, look, there's an anecdote where person X says, my uncle, who was perfectly healthy, died of such and such a week after his shot.
Okay.
That's a true anecdote.
What you have is different.
You had a job before any of us had ever heard of COVID.
You saw a pattern.
It was noisy.
I'm sure there were anomalies involved in it, but you saw a pattern.
You weren't placed somewhere special where what you saw was highly unusual.
You saw what somebody in the role of EMT and paramedic and medic saw in the regular course of their activities.
And then a change happened and you're able to detect the change because although, yes, your experiences are anecdotal, you have a big enough population of these experiences that you can say, hey, wait, this is night and day different, right?
Before 2020 and after 2021 are not the same species.
So your information is better than most of ours because you saw a population of people, even if it wasn't perfectly random.
And that population of people experienced very different failures before and after this event.
Agreed.
So, all right.
So, there's a pattern.
You've got young people suffering failures that before 2020 were extremely rare in young people.
They became common in people who were old or in terrible health.
What's the hardest thing to do is address the question because as you know, so much of what happened after the shot rollout has been blamed on COVID itself, right?
They always tell us, oh, the myocarditis, yes, the shots cause a certain amount of myocarditis, but not nearly as much myocarditis as COVID itself causes.
So it's still a good idea to get the shot.
Now, I think this is nonsense.
What I've looked at tells me that that's a fiction and that it's basically an accounting trick.
But what I want to know is, can you isolate the pattern that you saw in 2020, which is the year in which COVID was running rampant, but there were no shots, right?
The distinction between what happened in 2020 and what happened in 2021 and onward is what tells us if it's the virus or the shots or something else.
Our children's hospital was silent, was quiet, was really empty.
Like so much so that I was like the few times that I went to the children's hospital because I had decent food.
I talked to, you know, some of the doctors in there that were bored and they were empty.
Like, so, so yes, until the shots rolled out and they let the kids back out again and all this started happening.
And I definitely didn't see myocarditis in children during COVID.
Not just one single case.
That's key.
So on the one hand, what you say about the children's hospital being quiet, given all that we now know, I would absolutely expect this because kids didn't suffer severely from COVID, not healthy ones.
So if the kids aren't on the jungle gym because they're being told they have to stay inside, so they're not suffering their usual injuries and the disease that they're getting is COVID when they get it.
And it isn't very serious in children, you would expect the children's hospital to be full of crickets, right?
That'd be what you would hear.
But what you're telling me is you're seeing kids with myocarditis following the shot and you did not see them in 2020 when COVID existed, but the shot didn't.
No.
No, I have yet to see a kid with myocarditis that hasn't taken the shots.
Like I can't think of one case of all that I've seen when I, because I asked the question, I literally, every single one I ask, I haven't had one yet not have taken the shots that are experiencing these anomalies.
So that's really these things that are supposed to be rare.
That's two pieces of information.
Okay.
One of them is that you weren't seeing this when COVID was a phenomenon.
The shots were not a phenomenon in that 2020 control year, right?
Where we know that COVID was already present.
So anything they're blaming on COVID that doesn't show up in 2020, but does show up 2021 and after, we can be pretty sure they're lying, right?
Myocarditis in kids wasn't showing up until 2021.
That's one piece of information.
Second piece of information is that you have yet to see a case in which one of those myocarditis kids didn't have the shot.
Yeah, I've yet to see a stroke in young, myocarditis in the young.
Yeah, I haven't seen any of them that either their parents weren't didn't tell me they had given him the shots because the kids couldn't at the time because they can't speak.
Because I mean, when it's really bad, they're posturing.
So imagine running a kid who's decorticated, which I'm telling you a story that's on, you know, comes to my mind.
But I mean, when you posture, like when you're posture, it's so bad that you're just out of your, it's bad whenever you go in.
A decorticate posturing, they're typically going to die.
So I have to get the information from the parents.
Decording is what we saw with Charlie Kirk.
Yeah, did he come in inward?
If you're going inward, that's your, that's your to the core.
It's your decorticate is, I mean, pretty bad.
Decerebrate, they'll sort of posture out.
But I mean, when you go to the core, a lot of times that's just you're, you're done.
That's really bad news.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, boy, there's a lot.
There's a lot I want to ask you.
And I don't know how to do it in an organized fashion, but it sounds to me, would you say it was possible to be a paramedic who had worked for five or more years prior to the pandemic and continues to work to this day and not be aware of a major change in, let's say, severe pathologies afflicting young people following the shot?
This is going to sound bad because I've talked to my colleagues and I talked to like all of them, talk to everybody I work with, and I'm very vocal.
I don't have any pushback anymore at my work or in, you know, if I go wherever I go, I don't face pushback anymore.
There's some people might stay quiet, not talk to me, but I don't get the whole you're wrong or you're this or you're that.
There's no pushback anymore.
Zero.
Everybody agrees or just doesn't speak because they don't want to talk about what's going on and they want to just hush about it.
So there's no talk in the real world.
Yeah.
No, I mean, I get it.
And my sense is that there are a tiny number of doctors who are still very vocally in denial, but that the majority of doctors and especially nurses know what they saw and are traumatized.
You know, when I talk to people privately, this is what I discover: that you don't find people very frequently, maybe not ever in just talking.
You know, somebody says, oh, I'm a doctor, I'm a nurse.
You talk to people, you get interesting acknowledgement.
But if you say stuff online, doctors you've never heard of or doctors who are famous and on the other side of the argument show up and try to shout you down.
Yeah, you don't get that anymore in the real world.
Real world, like last night, I worked my work in a shift last night and I'm working an extra shift.
So 72 hours of work because we're lacking in staff.
Our staff's out sick.
Our staff's been burnt out.
We're lacking in staff.
I'm working for a paramedic that's out because of turbo cancer, just had surgery, colon cancer, came on a month ago and suddenly just grew to the point where they need to do emergency surgery and he might not ever come back again.
And I'm working with an EMT partner that had a stroke after her third Pfizer shot.
And she was hardcore about the vaccines.
She was one of those that was like, vaccines are great.
This one, this vaccine, da-da-da-da, it's awesome.
And she had a stroke.
And thankfully, TPA saved her where she didn't have any deficits.
It's a clockbusters basically saved her a year ago.
And on shift last night, she had a migraine, started vomiting, and still we were so short staffed that she had to keep working because we didn't have anyone to relieve the people that were already there.
And she did it.
She muscled through, but she's the one driving me while I'm with patients in the back and I'm covering for someone who's dying of turbo cancer.
There's nothing to argue.
Like there's no argument anymore.
Like it's, that's the world I live in right now.
If anyone wants to argue that.
It's the truth.
I'm running off.
You're talking to a guy who's running off of 72 hours of work while I'm running patients left and right with a EMT that stroked out after a third Pfizer shot.
And I'm covering for someone dying of turbo cancer.
And he had two Pfizer shots.
Okay.
So how old is the guy with turbo cancer?
The guy with the turbo cancer is five years old.
He's 50.
She's about to turn 30.
30.
Stroke.
Yeah.
Stroke 28, 29.
Okay.
So that's pretty extraordinary.
The 50 is less alarming than the 30, but it's still plenty alarming, especially a really so that's a month.
I mean, I remember the day he started complaining of stomach pain.
And then within a month, they said his tumor grew exponentially and they needed to do emergency surgery.
It's the weirdness on how fast it goes.
Yeah.
So, okay, you're filling in for a guy who is vaccinated with the mRNA, has a turbo cancer, and you're being driven around by an EMT who has a migraine and is vomiting, but can't leave her post, even though she had a stroke following her third shot.
She can't leave her post because you're short-staffed.
Why are you short-staffed?
Because many reasons.
Burnout, sickness, people took those shots and got sick.
Suicide.
I've lost zero friends that got all of my friends are frontline workers, all of them pretty much, because we talk to each other the most.
No one else really likes to put up with us.
I've lost zero, zero to COVID, and they all work through COVID.
And I've lost more than I can count on two hands to suicide.
Really?
And obviously you will have to speculate a little bit, but those suicides have what relationship to what you have all seen and what you have been forced not to talk about?
It could be, I mean, suicides have always occurred in my field, but since COVID, they escalated because it was a very stressful time.
They were, I mean, if you had any kind of head on your shoulders at all and you're a medic, then you were seeing the difference in the TV, what was TV was telling you and what we were seeing on the ground.
So you were seeing all the manipulation.
You were seeing all the manipulation.
And then you were also catching the abuse because what it was was psychological abuse.
The entire world was put under psychological abuse.
We were beaten and beaten and beaten and then told what to like, what not to like, beaten and beaten and beaten.
It's like MK Ultra on steroids.
It's sick.
And then they threw a drug at you.
Now we MK Ultra is just first thing that came to mind.
But whenever that, when the studies, you know, when you beat somebody into submission, just like the military does, they try to, they try to whip you into shape and then mold you to be exactly what they want you to be.
Well, they psychologically abused an entire society, essentially turning a society into a battered spouse.
And what a battered spouse typically do?
They don't want to blame their spouse.
They don't want to blame the abuser.
They want to be in denial.
Most battered spouses that I run, they do not want to report their spouse.
It is, you don't even want to, I don't even want to argue with them anymore.
I still try to nicely, they're going to kill you.
I mean, the last lady that I ran, her face was beaten so bad.
And man, he's going to kill you.
You need to report him.
No, he loves me.
That's how I see society today, like her.
I see society as a battered spouse.
Society as a battered spouse, I think, is a totally fair analogy.
But I think, I don't know, I think we can't use that analogy because in effect, we all experienced that.
And then paramedics and EMTs are to this day being threatened or coerced, maybe threatened is the wrong term, coerced into not describing their actual experience the way you are doing it.
Right.
So well, some spouses stand up and fight back.
I'm choosing to be the battered spouse that'll hit you.
That'll hit you back.
But from the point of view of why the pressure.
So you report suicides are always a part of the world of EMTs and paramedics.
But that you've seen an uptick.
And I guess the point is we can all imagine the pressure of you've got a high pressure, gruesome job in which you're encountering tragedy.
I don't know if it's every day, but on the regular.
And then being muscled into being silent about the patterns in that tragedy, we can all imagine just how horrifying that is.
And I guess it's not so surprising that some people wouldn't be able to take it.
So let me ask you this.
They'll turn to alcohol, drugs, all kinds of things.
And then when they can't, whenever those crutches don't work anymore, they'll take their lives.
You said, you know, the number of suicides you've, I don't know, I don't know what term you used, but the number of suicides that in your, it's been a lot.
But it's not enough to say anything conclusive about the pattern between 2020.
But did you see, did the number go up in 2020?
Oh, yeah.
We, we had suicide calls went up, of course.
Whenever they did the lockdowns, especially when I was working in New York City, because I worked in New York City on a contract and there was a lot of suicidal ideation, suicide calls.
There was a lot of people taking their own lives.
I don't even know if they'll ever release those kind of numbers.
It is the mental health calls since then to now, there's a lot.
I guess one way you could actually look, because we give the ones that are trying to fight us, mentally disturbed people that are just that are broken, something breaks.
The best way to probably calculate that, because you're never going to get real numbers, would to see, would probably see how much Versaid and how much Haldol is being used since, because we'll do five and five.
If you're fighting and you're trying to kill me, I'll inject you with basically five of Ursaid, five of Haldahl, and that'll knock you down.
I'll try to sedate you to where you can't beat me up.
And I'd rather do that with someone who's completely broken than tie you down.
And because your heart rate's scooting, you know, your heart rate's going really fast.
If you're in an actual hardcore breakdown, you could lead to other kind of health issues.
I'd rather go ahead and just knock you down and relax you.
I can take over your airway if it's too bad.
I get it.
I thought you were talking about suicides within your profession.
Did I misunderstand?
Oh, yeah, I am talking about, but oh, sorry, I thought we went to just people in general.
But suicides within my profession, yes, I was.
My colleagues, friends that have committed suicide since this, there's been a lot.
Close friends that just couldn't take it.
I said that to say none of them died of COVID.
I have had zero friends die of COVID, and they all worked through the heart of COVID.
None of them died of it.
The thing I'm trying to drill down on is, was there a substantial uptick in suicides in 2020 in your profession versus 2020 to 2020 now, but you can't say anything about the distinction between 2020 and 2021 or 2022.
I mean, there was a few in between there, but I can't tell you if it was, you know, what triggered them to want to do that to themselves.
I try not to think about it.
I mean, close friend, when you get a call that, you know, your close friend, you know, killed himself and you see that he called you and like that, that's that kind of stuff.
They tried to call you and you were busy at work and you didn't answer the phone and you kicked yourself for it for the rest of your life.
Yeah, that's heavy.
All right.
I guess I'm part of me has some trepidation about even asking you this, but it seems to me that if the recognition in what you're calling the real world of paramedics and the MTs is as widespread as you say it is,
and as it seems to me it would have to be, that there's some question as to whether or not you could all stand up together.
I mean, civilization knows it can't afford to fire all of its paramedics and the MTs.
So if you all stood up together and you said, you know, we've been coerced into not sharing this information, but the public needs to know, what would happen?
You would have change if that actually would occur.
It's not going to occur.
That's super wishful thinking.
It's not going to happen.
I would love for that to happen.
I also love to win the lottery.
It's not going to happen.
I've been trying and trying, trying to get people to just speak for a very long time.
And most won't.
They'll let me tell their story, but won't let me put them on camera.
They're like even where I currently work now.
The big wigs of where I work now know my social media, comb my social media, have told me they comb my social media, called me into the office and said, if you say that you work for blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, we'll fire you.
And everyone I know knows they're combing through my social media.
So it's, it's, it's being, they're not firing me, but they're still intimidating or trying to intimidate me.
And through that intimidation, everyone else is intimidated as well because they don't want to be in that position.
So will everybody stand up one day?
I don't believe so.
I believe I don't know if you want to go there or not, but I believe we're more likely to have a civil war before everyone stood up in peace and harmony and had a dance off.
Now, do I want that to happen?
No, not at all.
I'm not promoting that because I'll be the one picking up the bodies and I don't want that to happen.
But as far as what I believe, I believe that could possibly occur long before everyone actually has the wavos to stand up because it only takes a certain small amount of the portion to finally be like, you killed my mom, my dad, my brother, my uncle.
I'm going to fight back.
And if they ever mandate us again or like complete and take away jobs, there's a good chance there's going to be a very small portion that actually fights back because that's America.
America doesn't like tyranny.
We've proven that with tea and harbors and stuff like that.
So you can only push us so far.
Well, they pushed us to the brink, and they just did it with the medical professionals this time.
I was at the time, I was wishing they did it across the board.
I was like, I want everyone to experience what I'm experiencing right now.
My government is telling me I can't work if I don't take an experimental substance that I have seen kill people firsthand, and they're charging me taxes.
That's tyranny.
That's tyranny on a experimental death jab level.
So I wanted everybody to experience that, but they were smart.
They didn't do that.
They did it to the healthcare professionals.
And most healthcare people are at heart.
They're not all cowards because they're willing to do things other people aren't.
But when it comes to rocking the boat, they're not rock the boat type people.
They're read the book, learn something, try to help type people.
It's just the way it's just the way it is.
I see it.
I do think it is going to happen again.
I don't know if it's going to be viruses and shots, but the tyranny is real.
The lessons of history have been forgotten.
I remind my audience frequently that in 1947, the Nuremberg court hanged seven doctors for violating informed consent, which we now, apparently, on some public health pretext are now violating on the regular without realizing it's a hanging offense, right?
We agreed.
The world agreed, you don't do this.
The patient has a right to know everything you know, and they have a right to refuse whatever treatments you want to give them.
And so my feeling is what a shame if paramedics and EMTs have been through hell because they've seen what really happened and they've been coerced into being silent about it.
I agree they're not going to stand up as individuals because it is frightening and most people don't have the leeway to lose their job.
They don't have a plan B.
So I get that people were not, it's not pure cowardice.
It's also, I can't afford to starve my family.
What am I going to do?
But this is why standing up en masse would be the right thing to do.
It means you protect yourself so the next time it won't happen.
You clear your conscience so that your blood pressure can go back to normal.
And they're not going to fire all the EMTs and paramedics because we're all depending on you.
We would need mass faith.
And faith has been driven out of this nation just as much as bravery.
Faith is huge.
And a lot of people, especially in the EMS community, aren't faith-based.
They're just not.
Most of my friends in the EMS community, I love them to death, but they're not faith-based people.
They're just not.
And that's what it requires to do what you're doing right now, brother.
That's what it requires for me to do what I'm doing.
I wouldn't be able to do any of this at all with any kind of backbone at all, because I am not that kind of strong individual.
I truly believe in God and God is my backbone.
I truly believe God will take care of me whenever they take my job away again because God will take care of me when they take my job away again.
Most people don't have that kind of faith.
And without it, we're in trouble.
Well, let me say this.
First of all, I don't consider myself a person of faith.
I am very friendly.
Most of my friends are people of faith.
I have a well-known relationship with this topic to them.
I'm not.
I think faith is probably an extremely important thing to have.
And it's difficult to live your life without it.
So anyway, we can put that aside for the second.
Let me just say, though, I have said in many different contexts that it is striking to me that in the medical freedom movement, the frequency with which doctors and other professionals who stood up and weathered the storm, the people who showed the greatest courage were highly likely to be people of faith.
And I don't take that to be incidental, that basically you were easily manipulated if you didn't believe in something more important.
If you believed in a higher power, then there was only so coercible you could be, because the point is, well, they can torture you down here in the earthly realm, but it's not all there is.
So anyway, I have seen a huge amount of courage from people who get it exactly where you have gotten it.
And I do regard your, I regard you as courageous, even if you have some explanation for why you're not.
You obviously are.
And where it comes from, you know, it's your business.
You choose to share it.
That's cool.
But you're courageous.
And I think that all of those folks you're talking about who don't have courage, and you and I both think their lack of faith probably has something to do with it, they should think about this.
And they should say, well, what would it take for me to be courageous like Harry?
Because maybe my nation is depending on us breaking this spell and the courage has to come from somewhere.
I agree.
I agree.
I don't know what your faith is in, but everyone has faith in something.
Some people have faith in Fauci.
And that failed them.
Some people have faith in money.
That's going to fail you.
Now, some people's faith in money, they can have all the money in the world.
And that faith can get you a long ways in this world, but eventually that money is going to burn.
It's going to become digital.
It's going to be taken away or you won't have it forever.
So now I don't know where yours comes from, but I have seen you be courageous as well.
And I appreciate whatever drives you to be courageous in a time of tyranny.
So thank you for that.
And I also appreciate the fact that you've seen a pattern.
That pattern is faith-based people, whatever their faith may be.
Mine is God, Jesus.
But I've got friends that are Muslim.
I've got friends that are Jewish, just faith-based people.
And like you said, they typically didn't fall for all this coercion.
They didn't fall for the abusive relationship with the government.
And that's a beautiful thing.
I appreciate that very much.
Yeah, I think it's an important thing.
And I appreciate that from the point of view of somebody who does come from a position of faith that you're wondering where mine is.
I will do you the courtesy of trying to give you the right answer to that question, the one I think is actually accurate.
And it's something I got from my friend Jordan Peterson, who I had the privilege of moderating a debate between Peterson and Sam Harris in which questions of faith were central.
It was a debate about really what it means for something to be true.
But nonetheless, Sam challenged Jordan and said something like, do you really believe that Jesus rose from the grave?
And Jordan thought about it for a second and he said, I sure act as if I do.
And I think the point is, yeah, I have a, you know, because my job is to be as scientifically rigorous about very difficult, complex phenomena as I can be.
I have to not cheat in my own mind.
I have to not take shortcuts.
But it doesn't mean that it adds up to something different, right?
I have an annoyingly complicated relationship with faith and higher powers, which is I believe that those are metaphors for very important stuff that we don't know how to discuss in rigorous terms.
But I don't underrate their significance.
Do you believe in the Mandelbrot set?
Is it called Mandelbrot set?
Is that fractals?
Yeah.
Have you ever seen it keep going and going and going and going?
Wonderful stuff.
It is.
Do you believe that was an accident?
It's an interesting question.
You know, I guess, if I'm honest with you, I do think there is something surprising about fractal repetition of themes, which is effectively what you're pointing to.
I consider it a in the same way that a tiger is a special case of the process that has produced a bacteria, right?
A tiger is radically more complex than the bacterium, but it's the same process extrapolated out to many orders of magnitude higher complexity.
I consider a fractal the same kind of extrapolation from a repeating decimal, right?
A repeating decimal is an interesting pattern, and a fractal is a vastly more interesting pattern, but I'm not sure that it causes me to question anything fundamental about the nature of probability.
Or we could just say it's amazing and appreciate how amazing it is.
That's it.
Because let's do this the other way.
You know, I can look at a hummingbird drinking from a flower.
And I swear to you, from my biological perspective, that is a miracle, except in one regard, which is we have a basic understanding of how it happened.
We do not have a detailed understanding.
There's mostly question marks there, but we have a basic understanding of how that occurred.
And it doesn't mean that the right way to look at it is, you know, the hummingbird can be understood as a complex chemical machine, right?
It's not untrue, but it's very incomplete, right?
I guess to me, the miracle would be, because you're based on what you're saying there, it becomes less of a miracle because we understand it.
And like, say, I die and go to heaven, pray that I get to do that.
I die and go to heaven and I get to know everything.
God tells me everything.
To me, the miracle will be the fact that God loved me to begin with.
Like that's the miracle.
The miracle is the fact that he loves somebody as bad as I've been to as good as I've been.
And it stayed with me the whole time to allow me that kind of opportunity.
That's the miracle to me.
Knowing how a hummingbird flies, or eventually knowing the Mandelbrot set, and like and being able to recreate it on a computer.
And somehow, accidentally, we saw all this really cool stuff.
And now we're talking to entities that aren't human called AI.
We can know how it all works eventually, and it won't be black box technology anymore at some point.
It'll still be the miracle of us having the opportunity to just get to experience that kind of awesomeness, like that amazing time whenever we're getting that kind of knowledge and to me that and love through it.
Like I can love through a time like that.
That's a miracle.
Oh, look, I agree.
And you know, I love the ability to look at something biological and have some inkling of how surprising it is, but it doesn't decrease the childlike joy at just simply seeing the animal hover there in front of the flower.
You know, I'm not thinking about chemistry when I see that.
I'm thinking that is so surprising and delightful.
And, you know, then maybe later I'll think about the chemistry.
But no, it doesn't diminish it.
And I think, you know, somewhere in there is the answer to your question.
There's something that stands in for what you're calling faith for me.
And it ends up amounting to the same thing.
Cool.
It's just semantics.
I'm still either way, I'm glad you stood strong because this has been a very hard time.
And whether it be that hummingbird that's done it for you or whatever, I'm glad you're on Team Humanity, brother.
Yeah, me too.
I'm very glad you are.
And I really think it doesn't take very many people who have the courage that you have and have seen what you have seen to break the spell.
Right?
It's hard to stare down somebody who has watched young people die of things that young people didn't die of before and says, I'm sorry, this happened at a particular moment in time.
And that creates an obvious question, which we are failing to properly study, which is, what was the consequence for health and longevity amongst people who did take the shot versus those who didn't?
It's not a hard question to study.
If we were serious about it, we would get the terrifying answer very, very quickly.
And it is because we don't want that answer that we are still scratching our heads over what happened.
I agree.
Like I wrote earlier, I mean, the fox is literally doing the statistics on the hen house, and all we're getting to see is happy chickens.
Yeah, there you go.
That might have something to do with why we see nothing but happy chickens.
All right, Harry.
Tell me, where can people find you?
X is the only place I'm not banned currently.
It's Harry Fisher, EMT, EMTP, Harry Fisher, E-M-T-P on X.
And if you would do me a favor, because my publisher gets mad at me when I don't push the book, because I've written a book and you're basically going to read my journal.
You can find it on Amazon or at fishersbook.com altogether, fishersbook.com.
And it's, you're, you're going to read all that, all of my experiences that I could just write down during this time.
Poetry.
Like I said, you're going to be reading my journal there.
So I'm going to call it safe and effective.
Oh, go ahead.
Oh, it's called safe and effective?
Save it, safe and effective for profit.
Safe as well.
It's called safe and effective.
All right.
Well, I am going to read your book.
And I think others who are viewing this podcast should go get your book and read it.
And this is what wakes people up.
And the only way we are going to avoid this happening again is if we figure out what happened this time.
It's going to be a very unpleasant process, but it's way better than living it again.
So let's hope that people will get on board.
Good man.
I'm with you, brother.
All right.
Harry Fisher, thank you so much for joining me on Dark Horse Inside Rail.
