Supplementary Material 45: Mick Drops, The Weinstein Conspiracy Hour, and Lessons from History
We return to some old friends, and almost immediately, we regret the decision. Also, get ready for some heady insights from history, a new conspiracy hypothesis, and Game Theory based insights.The full episode is available to Patreon subscribers (1 hour, 37 minutes).Join us at: https://www.patreon.com/DecodingTheGurusSupplementary Material 4500:00 Introduction01:15 Mick Drop04:44 Scott Galloway's Favourite Conservative06:37 Konstantin Kisin: Neither Right Nor Left11:51 Insane Ad Reads in Podcastistan17:08 Aella's insights on history20:30 Bret's New Conspiracy Episode22:10 Bret on Epstein, Pizzagate, and Ritual Murder30:58 Heather, the personification of strategic disclaimers31:49 Bret's New Conspiracy: Epstein is Alive36:31 The Real Culprit is Game Theory44:25 Bret is a Force of Nature who is always vindicated46:36 The Grand Unification of Conspiracy Theories48:25 Cenk Uygur promotes 9/11 Conspiracies51:42 Peter Thiel in Ghoulish Pro-Nazi Form55:15 The Descent of the Discourse57:47 Eric visits Triggernometry (Again): Russian Woes01:05:20 The Eric Squid Ink Manoeuvre01:14:49 Eric is pro-Nuclear weapons tests01:19:27 Weinstein drives can take us multiplanetary01:28:28 The Weinstein Function: Justifying Enlightened Centrists Everywhere01:30:37 Drew Pavlou's latest stunt backfiresSourcesIs Epstein Alive? The 313th Evolutionary Lens (Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying podcast episode)DarkHorse clip discussing the Epstein theory (YouTube)Aella’s history insights threadAella’s large thread about homeschoolingInterview where Aella discusses the perceived benefits of homeschoolingBret Weinstein responding to critics saying he has lost his mindBret Weinstein linking Epstein and COVID conspiraciesCenk Uygur promoting 9/11 conspiracy claimsCenk Uygur criticising media responses to his conspiracy theoriesPeter Thiel comments invoking Weimar-era parallelsDrew Pavlou’s stunt backfires
Hello and welcome to Decoding the Gurus supplementary material, the runaway success sister spin-off podcast to the mainstream phenomenon that is decoding the gurus to me and podcast.
And that person over there opposite me is Matthew Brown, the psychologist extraordinaire from Australia.
Me facing you is the cognitive anthropologist of sorts from Northern Ireland, Northern Ireland, and now I'm residing in Japan.
That's where I am.
Hello.
Good day to you, Matthew Brown.
Good day.
Good day.
Hello.
How's your day?
How's your day?
It's nice here in Queensland.
It's cooling off.
And yeah, the ocean's nice.
Yeah, it's getting livable again.
Matt, we got to clear something out right out of the gate.
There's something that a lot of people were asking about, a lot of questions.
We just need to confirm here.
You know, President Obama, he was insulting Donald Trump at one point at a, like, some event.
And he did a thing where he held up the microphone that he was talking about and he like dropped it.
Now, what would you call that?
What he did there?
What is that?
What he just did?
I sense a trap.
This feels like a trap.
But no, I'm just checking.
So, you know, he picked up and he dropped it.
What would you call what he did there?
What is that moment?
It is a oh, well, it's a mic, obviously.
I'd always call it a mic.
Isn't that what you would call it?
That's right.
It's a mic.
But what do you call that event where you are dropping that down?
What do you call it a mic?
Mick drop.
Mic drop?
I'm not sure.
Okay, which do you call it?
Which one do you call it?
Look, I'm sure I've called it both.
So I've been called out for mispronunciating again.
How absurd.
Yeah, this one is insane.
No, what?
This is insane.
Like, Mickdrop?
Really?
Mickdrop?
That sounds like you are insulting an Irish person or something.
You call it a microphone.
No, look, I see the logic of it.
I see the logic of it.
You have to call it a mic drop, don't you?
But it sounds better, Mickdrop.
It does it.
Does it?
Yeah, I didn't call it out at the time because I was caught off guard.
Look, I'm innovating, right?
Anyone who studied linguists knows that there are these funny daddies who think that it's prescriptive.
And then there's the cool linguist who says that it's something else.
I forget what it's called.
But it's basically you can say whatever you like.
That's the rules.
And if people pronounce it a certain way, then that's just how they do it.
And you can't judge them for it.
That's how our culture evolves.
That's how our language grows.
So I'm actually at the cutting edge of pronunciation.
I think that's the way to think about it.
Is it?
Okay.
Well, you've been called out.
In five or ten years, in five or ten years, everyone's going to be calling it MickDrop.
That's the thing.
We will tolerate some of your innovative pronunciations.
Matrix, we've given up on, but MickDrop, there's an accord.
I've been familiar with this.
Yeah, this is the line.
We will go no farther.
So just you be careful the next time you're saying that's a mic drop event, okay?
Mic drop.
That's it.
Yeah.
I'll try.
I'll try.
I struggle to remember things from one minute to the next, but I'm sure I'll remember to do that.
You'll get this.
You'll get this.
Now, the other thing that you asked for, and I have brought, Matt, as you've requested, you said, Chris, can we go back and listen to the Weinsteins?
Can we see what they're up to?
And it's one of those things that sounds good in theory, doesn't it?
Yeah.
Now, I've went and collected material from both brothers, a little bit.
But speaking of other gurus, Matt, somebody we covered recently that we've brought up.
And I need to play you a clip of something that a recent guru said.
Okay.
Okay.
So, yeah, have a little listen to this.
Scott Galloway, welcome to Trigonometry.
It's great to be here.
Scott Galloway on Conservatism00:10:53
Someone literally asked me who my favorite conservative was, and I had to pause.
And I said, oh, this kid Constantine out of the UK is like thoughtful, nice.
And I find myself nodding more than I like.
Well, I'm 43.
I'm not a conservative.
But apart from that.
You're a conservative.
I totally come out of the closet as a conservative.
Let's talk about that.
What makes me a conservative?
I find that most of your viewpoints probably are more generally assigned to a conservative viewpoint.
Yes, yes, yes.
So Scott Galloway.
So he went back on trigonometry.
Is that right?
This is his second appearance.
Yeah, I guess I don't know.
Matt, he's he was on Chris Williamson before.
I'm getting my wires crossed.
Yeah, Okay.
So this, this irritated you because he said that Constantine Kissen is his favorite right-wing podcaster, which like Constantine Kissing shouldn't be anyone's favorite anything.
So I agree with you.
Hunching back, okay, man.
Dunk Target online, all right.
But he is endorsing him here as somebody nods along a lot.
Well, I defended Scott because I read that as he was saying that as a setup to trigger Constantine to get him to deny that he was right-wing.
That's what he was doing there.
Come on.
I don't think so.
I don't know.
People suggested that there was, wasn't it a setup to like bring up the Constantine's right wing?
Like, no, no, I don't think so.
I think he was going to say, oh, come on, you're right-wing, right?
Like, he was fine doing that.
But you know why I don't think it was that, Matt?
Because the exchange after that, they talk about like what makes Constantine right-wing, right?
Let me just play it for you.
That's what he says.
But the reason I don't consider myself a conservative is well, the way I see it is these things are inconsistent over time and space.
What I mean by that is two things.
When I was 20, the left that I saw, my great heroes were people like Bill Hicks and George Carlin, people who were pushing against the religious authoritarian right.
And it was the religious authoritarian right that said, you can't make these jokes, you can't talk about this.
You know, we've got the shutting down of debate was coming from the right in that time, 100%.
Number one.
So that is changed.
And the other thing is, it's also a geographical thing.
I'm from Russia.
In Russia, I'm a woke Liptard.
In Britain, I probably am center-right.
In America, I'm genuinely independent and in the center.
But I guess the way I think about it, and I use this phrase often, it's that former British Foreign Secretary who said, we have no permanent alliances.
We have permanent interests, and it's to them that we owe allegiance.
So I operate based much more on principles than teams.
And that's why I reject the label, even though now it's undoubtedly the case that what I believe, which is preservation of Western civilization, freedom of expression, you know, all these other things, they do in the current climate lean more conservative.
But it's very possible.
And I, you know, I'm increasingly talking about this movement on the right that I really dislike that 10, 15 years from now, it is again Christian or not just Christian, but religious conservatives who are fighting all the things that I believe in.
Does that make sense?
Scott's answer is yes.
Oh, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
So it's not a call out.
I mean, it's like a very mild call out where he's immediately mollified to say, oh, yeah, yeah, like that.
Yeah, yeah.
Because it's Scott.
It's Scott.
It's not you.
He's doing both things are true.
He did his little jab, but he was fine with the Ed.
So, you know, he's there to go along to get along.
I know.
I agree.
That's my interpretation.
It's like primarily what Scott's there to do is like promote his book and have a enjoyable conversation.
So he's like greasing things up as he often is.
But I do think it's likely that when he's praising Constantine, he's talking about he saw some things online, you know, where he's complaining about the woke right or he's talking about like Tucker Carlson praising Russia and he thought, oh yeah, this is right on like the chance that Scott Galloway has watched a whole bunch of trigonometry content, not high.
Maybe he's watched like Sam Harris or somebody be interviewed, right?
So like when they say, you're my favorite person, it often doesn't really mean they've actually anything.
No, but it's discrediting still, but it's still discrediting.
Because like you said, you shouldn't be saying, it's like going on Tim Poole's show and saying, you're my favorite commentator, right?
Like the fact that you would do that is, I think Scott Galloway, by the way, here's my prediction, Matt.
In a couple of years, he's not going to be talking about the masculine stuff anymore, except incidentally as an afterthought.
And he'll be talking about whatever his next book topic or interest is.
Like his interest in this topic lasts as long as his book is on the potential bestsellers list.
That's my view.
Yeah.
Yeah, of course.
Is that surprising to you?
Well, I just, I think like, you know, for other people, they might be promoting the topic and talking about it because they have like a vested interest.
And Scott Galloway very much does say that.
He does have a vested interest.
His vested interest is his book.
And then the book will be done.
And then he'll have a new vested interest.
Okay.
All right.
But his argument is his interest as young man, like in a healthy way, right?
That is, he wants to help them.
So yeah, I'm just, I'm just saying another Scott Galloway.
You can see it as a subtle dig at Constantine, or you can see it as an invalidating admission, whatever way.
But I mean, I don't think it invalidates all of the stuff that Scott will argue or say.
I'm just saying another mark in the column of the sycophancy that permeates the gurusphere, leading to undue flattery, Matt.
Undue flattery.
Undue, that's right.
He doesn't deserve it, Constantine.
He doesn't deserve to be flattered.
I agree with you.
I agree with you.
Like, I know that is how the online talker sphere works, where you're all best mates and you all think each other are just the best and you agree with everything and you downplay disagreements or you express them in such a genteel way that it's really no big deal.
And yeah, you know, that's the culture of this medium, along with other stuff, like people being willing to do personal, what do they call it, endorsements and readings of stuff, which is just like, it's just part of the culture of the medium.
And I don't agree with any of it.
I've got to say as well, Matt, you told me that the Brett Weinstein podcast, which you were listening to as well, had this.
See, people, I do do research.
I do research.
Yeah.
We're doing independent research.
But you told me the ad reads were in CNN.
Man, that segment was 15 minutes long at the start of our podcast.
All their ad reads.
Oh, really?
15 minutes?
15 minutes.
15 minutes.
And it's so long.
You know, it feels really long in part because they're elaborate.
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Now, I think that ad read needs something, somewhere in there.
It needs to say that the tent has a decidedly Bedouin aesthetic.
Probably just because that phrase has never been used anywhere.
We've said it before.
Well, it is decidedly Bedouin.
It is.
It's great.
Also, fun for cats.
I can speak from experience that you turn this thing on and the cats will flock.
Yeah, it warms them right up.
Yeah.
And if you don't like cats and you don't have any of your own, just close the door of your house and then they won't come in.
So don't be concerned that you'll get cats that you don't want.
It's not going to happen.
All right.
I mean, we've covered the territory.
Yeah.
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And Lex Friedman, I recently listened to one of his podcasts.
You haven't heard as much about him because he's mostly doing AI related stuff now.
And it just goes to show, like when he does that, he doesn't get a huge amount of criticism or attention, right?
Like there aren't all these people calling him out.
But I don't think that will last.
But in any case, he's the same.
His introductory segment is round about like 10 to 13 minutes of ads, just reading ad copy and giving these personalized endorsements for all the products.
And it's the same sort of stuff as well.
Like obviously Lex leans a little bit more towards, you know, tech optimizer type products, but a lot of it is crunchy health and the Brett Weinstein and Heller Hang special, which is all talking about these.
Like they're talking about a tanning bed, I think at one point, but it's we're talking about some special kind of energizing light, which has special frequencies and stuff like that, which will cure you.
And they made a big point about it doesn't have any harmful electromagnetic radiation.
It's only got the frequencies that send the good things.
It was just like cool.
It's matched with the sun.
Matching with the sun.
It's complete woo.
Like it's fun.
Several years ago, I started looking into saunas, both traditional and infrared, and found a morass of information.
Then red light therapy became popular.
And like a lot of products and claims, it became even more confusing.
Is the product effective?
How long does it take to heat up?
What frequencies does it actually produce?
Does it emit harmful electromagnetic radiation?
The only product I found that clearly lived up to its scientific and health claims was SanaSpace.
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And then they put on their mantles of very serious science people.
Echoes in History and Pizza00:15:46
But yeah, It is incredible, the degree of excessive monetization we call it.
And you know, I get it, especially if you're struggling.
If you're not a super popular podcast, but you want to do it full-time, then I could imagine it's very hard to make ends meet unless you lean into excessive monetization.
But people like Scott Galloway, or what's his name?
The idiot who's probably talking about AIs and Do They Feel Love?
What's his name?
You just said Lex Friedman.
Lex Friedman.
Okay, there were so many options.
I mean, these guys are rich, right?
By people's standards.
Yeah.
So, so do you have to do that?
It's like be like Walter Cronkite, like covering Watergate and then slipping into, you know, selling a nice pair of Laramies he's got here on under the desk.
It's, you know, to do it.
It's crass.
They're sellouts, Matt.
That's what that's.
They're sellouts, man.
Yeah.
It used to be that people didn't like sellouts.
No, it's like everybody wants to sell out.
It's the best thing that can happen to you.
Yeah.
Well, you know, like maybe ethical podcasting is impossible under a capitalist system, Chris.
Maybe it's that.
No, I've heard that.
I have heard that.
Now, before I play a little bit more clips for you from Brett and Heller, Matt, I'm going to do that for you, that service.
But you did just remind me, speaking of, you know, the tech adjacent people, that Ayella, you know, Ayella girl, the Twitter accountant and sex researcher, as she likes to describe herself as.
So she tweeted out this thread, Matt, that is, it's one of those examples of people abusing the no character limit on Twitter, right?
1,300 words, she wrote.
And it's a post like Lex is what made me think about it, where she's been reading some history, Matt.
She found some things out.
And she did a bullet pointed or numbered list, 18 points that she's learned from reading some history books recently.
And number one, let me just read number one for you.
Okay.
Yep.
I sort of assumed people in the past had more freedom from their governments, but they absolutely did not.
The people with the guns consistently oppress people without as much as they could get away with.
So there's an insight for you, Matt.
You know, you assumed that people in the past were much freer than people alive today, didn't you?
Isn't that an assumption that you would have?
Where did she go to school?
I should test my kids.
She was homeschooled.
She was homeschooled.
Oh, okay.
Well, that might explain it.
But she was arguing recently for like she has talked about the issues with homeschooling, but she was arguing recently about homeschooling being more desirable in some respect.
But there's 17 more points that I could go through, Matt, but they're all of that caliber.
It's just, wow, wow.
And I don't begrudge people learning about history later in life, but it's kind of like, what were they doing till now?
Like AL is in her 30s, Lex is in his 40s.
And they're, you know, their insights are like this Hitler guy, not a good guy, you know?
Or yeah, World War II, that was tough.
Pretty much tough.
Yeah, like, you know, I mean, it's nobody's fault if they're ignorant, but I mean, ALA sort of positions herself as like a researcher and she's, you know, like, I don't know.
I don't know.
Maybe, maybe a bit more epistemic humility is required when you don't know things.
Maybe that's the takeaway.
All her insights, Matt.
I'll just read the first line.
The U.S. Revolution was way derpier than I thought.
Number six, sometimes history feels inevitable.
Number seven, the mobs and common people are often very stupid.
So on.
There's a deep insight.
I know.
I know.
I shouldn't be triggered by this by that, but I was just like, I did retweet it, Matt, saying it's great to see young people learning about history, right?
That's right.
It's actually not her fault.
She's just, she's learning about this stuff for the first time and sharing her thoughts.
That's okay.
That's okay.
And that's okay.
Just remember the people that you're getting your rationalist insights from, okay?
Just put the whole thing in context whenever you're reading their older thoughts.
No, okay.
So Brett, he advertised this episode as one in which he was going to outline a new conspiracy.
What he said on Twitter was, on today's Dark Horse live stream, I will explain why Jeffrey Epstein likely survived his apparent suicide and may well still be alive somewhere out of sight.
This has nothing to do with the widely discussed physical evidence and or jailhouse anomalies, right?
So he's literally advertising new conspiracy hypothesis tonight.
Like, you know, okay, tune in if you want to hear my next conspiracy theory.
I think I started listening to this one too, but it took me a long time to get to the conspiracy.
I think I got bored and turned it off.
It's actually annoying because he doesn't spend that much.
No, this isn't true.
He does spend about 10 or 15 minutes on it at the end, but it's one of these, you know, podcast special where they start to talk about the conspiracy, then they go on a tangent for 10 minutes about something, and then they speak about something else.
And the actual conspiracy thing is only really around one or two minutes long.
All right.
So he just skips this out very briefly in a couple of minutes.
Jeffrey Epstein, not really dead.
Oh, yeah, let me play it for you.
But, you know, he said he's not going to focus on the anomalies and the footage at the prison and all that.
That is what he spends most of his time doing.
He lied, Ma.
But he is arguing that there is a nuller reason that we should anticipate that Jeffrey Epstein is still alive.
And the reason, it may not come as a huge surprise when you hear it, but you will not have been able to predict that.
So listen to this.
So I have an example or two here.
Let's show Rod Dreer's tweet here.
Rod Dreer says, from the Epstein files, I think we might owe the QAnon loons an apology.
By the way, he took a lot of crap for saying loons.
I would like to see a Justice Department investigation of all of this, but who can trust them?
Here's a link to the email below.
And then it shows one of the emails from Sarah Kay to Rich Burnett.
And it says, it's having a little trouble reading.
It says, Hi, Rich.
Jeffrey is asking if you can FedEx the painting he had made of the massacre of the innocents to the ranch.
That's presumably the Zoro Ranch.
It's the large nine by nine foot canvas that we had rolled out for him to see on the entryway where they are killing babies.
He wants to use it on the ranch and is hoping you could FedEx it to arrive by Wednesday.
Thanks, Sarah.
Now, there's an obvious linguistic ambiguity in there.
The benign interpretation is that it was laid out and the painting depicts the killing of babies.
Which Massacre of the Innocents does.
Yeah.
The pernicious interpretation is that this is referencing a location where babies were killed on Epstein's ranch.
Now, this that seems like this is the first time I'm seeing this.
Yeah, it seems like an insane interpretation of this.
Why would anyone specify an entryway where they kill babies as opposed to an entryway where they don't?
Like, that seems like a, that seems like an absurdity.
I agree with you.
A massive stretch.
On the other hand, there's a pattern here.
You've got a guy who appears to have been involved in trafficking young women and a painting, the massacre of the innocents.
And this is an echo of what was seen with the emails that were pried loose from the DNC, in which there is all sorts of suggestive discussion amongst John Podesta and his circle of all sorts of things, including pizza, which shows up across the Epstein files.
So the point is, what the hell is this?
Bad taste in art or taste that specifically immoral taste.
Immoral taste in art, where the immorality is even that you're engaged in some behavior and you're memorializing it in art for the purpose of making a point about how powerful you are or whatever.
But the point is, that ain't actionable.
Well, that's an incredible take.
That deserves just stepping through it carefully.
So Massacre of the Innocence, that's a very famous painting by Rubens, right?
Yeah.
I assume that's the one they're referring to.
It's not actually children, though, is it?
It's like, like, I just double-checked because of my memory, but it's, yeah, it's like, I guess there are some children down there, also just women.
Yeah.
No, it is.
It's the biblical event, Matt.
You know, that's.
Oh, that's what it's about.
It's about the Bible thing where they the massacre of the innocents.
That's the fact that women do.
There's a lot of women there.
They take up most of the space.
But I'm with you.
Is that that's the Gospel of Matthew?
Oh, yeah.
That's what Herod is.
Herod.
Killing the babies.
I don't know my Bible, man.
I don't know my Bible.
Apparently not.
No.
I do not know my Bible.
Okay.
So it's a famous painting, right?
Okay.
But so Brett points out that there is something very sinister that he's asking for the mass, this painting massacre.
Maybe he's referring to a place like in the hallway where they where Epstein and co-authors are massacring children.
That's one reading.
That's one reading.
And, you know, he gets helped out a bit.
Like, that's absolutely crazy.
Yeah.
He acknowledges, yeah, I mean, that is a stretch.
On the other hand, that's right.
I'm not saying it's aliens, but take me through it.
So it's maybe not a stretch because at other times in emails, they talked about pizza.
They talked about getting pizza, and that's like Pizzagate.
And so maybe it's code.
Is that what he's hinting at?
Yeah.
So he, I mean, he advances a number of potential hypotheses, right?
And one is the one that they are referencing the massacre of innocence and in the entranceway, even though they reference like the size of the painting and stuff, it's kind of like code for where they're performing their satanic abuse or whatever, right?
Right.
And on the other hand, Matt, another reading, even if you accept that, well, that's a bit of a stretch.
Like it does seem to be referencing a painting.
Isn't it telling that he is putting this kind of painting, which is about killing of innocent children, a famous biblical story in the entranceway to his building?
And what does that signify except like an immoral attitude?
So a flaunting, if you like, of what he's all about.
Now, another reading is just that it's a famous piece of art and Jeffrey Epstein is somebody that, you know, would like some, you know, Renaissance or wherever Baroque painting that features classical portrayals of nudity.
You could actually accept the second one that he's like flaunting.
you know, that he likes having portraits of people.
This is a painting of a violent crime.
I also do crimes and I want to kind of, you know, directed at children.
Yeah, and this is the children.
Okay, directed at children.
Yeah.
But, you know, in this painting, they're like cherubic, you know, very Rubin-esque sort of figures and cherubic children.
Anyway, it's a stretch.
Well, so then the next possibility is that this and other things throughout, you know, the Epstein files, because the person he's referencing, Rod Dreyer, at the start though, was describing, you know, the Pizzagate people being vindicated by the revelations in the Epstein files, right?
And Brett is saying there's similar kind of things that people have found around references to getting pizza or grapefruit juice or these kind of things.
So, you know, come on, Matt.
We know about Pizzagate, that there was a lot of suspicious emails about pizzas.
And like, what were they talking about, Matt?
Like, what?
It's not like people eat pizzas.
I mean, this hits two of the favorite conspiratorial memes.
And one of them is the hiding in plain sight.
You know, like the conspirators, the Illuminati, whatever, are laughing at us, Chris, and they're proud of what they're doing.
And they kind of flaunt it by leaving clues, you know, in plain sight.
And so it hits that button.
And also this belief that people are constantly talking in code.
Now, you know, I mean, occasionally people do.
Someone might refer to something as disco biscuits when really they mean something illegal, for instance.
But I'm not sure about the pizza.
Sometimes pizza is just pizza.
Yeah, yeah.
And it is true that Jeffrey Epstein's various locations from Material Live Scene feature a lot of scantily clad portraits and classical images and so on.
He liked nude paintings and paintings featuring nudity and young people being nude and so on, which aligns with what we know about his general interests, right?
So the notion that he might be in favor of art that portrays young people in nude positions, right?
Like, yes.
And I know, Matt, I know that it's not like a sexy photo, but I'm just saying.
It's not very sexy and they're mostly adults.
They're mostly nude.
Mostly nude men and some half nude women.
Just saying.
Depends on which version.
Rubens one, yes, but the later variations of it feature more cherubs.
But in any case, it's like it's not a sexy painting.
But, okay, so this isn't the conspiracy about Epstein being alive, but this is just to point out, you know, Brett's general reasoning about these kind of things.
And you heard the very useful thing where Heller exists to say, well, I mean, we're not endorsing that, right?
And Brett's like, no, no, no, of course.
But are we?
So it's like they both get to say, well, we said that was a stretch and we're not endorsing it.
No, but it's interesting though, isn't it?
And it does accord.
There are echoes in his words with other stuff like pizza, for instance.
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I also like that he noted that Rod Dreyer got pushed back for calling people Pizzagate loons.
He was like, and he got pushed back for calling them loons.
Yeah, he chose his words more carefully.
Okay, so let's carry on to Epstein and the conspiracy.
Let's get to the mate.
I want to understand the theory of Harry Solar.
Anyway, the point is, it's Game of Thrones.
It's still going on, whether Epstein survived or not.
Okay, now I want to get to the reason that I think Epstein probably did survive.
Before you do, does it matter?
Yes and no.
i mean for one thing it seems to me that he was he was a puppeteer but he wasn't it seems a brilliant puppeteer Well, let's put it this way.
If he survived, that describes a landscape of people who participated in dodging justice for him, in hoodwinking the public, in breaking the justice system.
So the point is, that's a vast crime of its own, right?
We had a right to...
That's a different question from, does it matter if he still lives?
Well, if he lives, then that implies more crimes yet.
It implies more crimes yet.
But it also, I think, is suggested.
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