Supplementary Material 42: Chimpanzee Testicles, Home Alone Statistics, and Influencer Research
We dig deep into the online world to DO OUR OWN RESEARCH and return with horrors never dreamt of by man.The full episode is available to Patreon subscribers (1 hour, 23 minutes).Join us at: https://www.patreon.com/DecodingTheGurusSupplementary Material 4200:00 Introduction11:13 Rogan and Shane Gillis on Nick Fuentes vs Piers Morgan17:49 Jimmy Carr's Physics Insights24:00 The comedian shuffle25:12 Andrew Huberman teams up with Goop!30:41 Huberman injects his dog with testosterone.32:09 Bryan Johnson and the secret longevity of the penis35:41 The Science Behind Huberman's Careful Product Endorsements39:48 The Statistics of Home Alone41:22 Bryan Johnson's Love Tweet46:24 Bryan Johnson's horrible treatment of his ex-fiancée51:30 Andrea Botez and Influencer Health Research57:41 Bespoke Treatments with Medical AIs01:04:28 Self-Research, Stock Picking, and Gambling01:07:47 Health Systems and their imperfections01:12:37 Doing Your Own Research...01:17:38 Matt's Content Recommendations01:20:45 OutroLinksNYT – How Trump Fixed On a Maduro Loyalist as Venezuela’s New LeaderTriggernometry – “A Revolution is Coming!” – Jimmy CarrGQ – How Andrew Huberman, Goop Kitchen Collaborator, Is Staying Healthy in 2026Vanity Fair – Why Bryan Johnson, Dave Asprey, and the Other Longevity Bros Are Obsessed With PenisesLuis Batalha – Tweet on the “Home Alone” paperBryan Johnson – “Love” tweetAndrea Botez – Hearing Loss Update...
Hello and welcome to the Coding the Guru supplementary material edition 2026 first of the year episode edition.
That's what's there.
There's a psychologist sitting across from me looking not 100%.
Well we'll see why Matthew Brown there and staring back at me from my own monitor is my own ugly mug, Chris Gavner, anthropologist slash psychologist, mostly psychologists these days, but you know, whatever.
What am I?
What am I?
Who knows?
You're sick and tired.
That's what you are.
You're sick.
I'm sick and tired.
That's right.
I have a heck of a voice at the best of times, but now I've got like a gravelly one because I'm dealing with a iman cold.
Wow.
The worst kind of cold.
You're not allowed to talk.
And I just say, I know that women, women, they also get colds.
What is my iman cold doing to women?
Yeah.
I got sick too.
My family came back from Japan and they brought back exotic diseases with them and contaminated me.
It's like reverse colonialism.
That's right.
It's like what happened in South America, except worse because it's happening to me.
What happened in the time?
Oh, right.
Yeah.
And I was just thinking some terrible news has happened.
Every time I open Twitter or whatever, something terrible has happened.
And most recently, you know, Maduro.
The recent Maduro.
Yeah.
I mean, it's not terrible that he's gone, but the manner in which he departed from the position, not great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think Trump managed to put like the worst possible spin on that that could possibly be, right?
Like, you know, like America does, it has a long history of doing things.
Things in Latin America.
In Latin America, right?
And usually they try to keep it quiet or there is a, whether it's true or not, there's a, there's a positive spin.
There is some kind of rationale given.
The rationale given by Trump had to just put the worst possible slant on it.
We're taking all of their oil.
We're running the country now.
We can do whatever we want.
We're going to keep doing this.
Let's do this again.
So it's not a good look.
Not a good.
I don't know if you noted, you probably haven't seen this.
The Department of State, the State Department today tweeted out, this is our hemisphere.
And President Trump will not allow our security to be threatened.
And there's a black and white photo of Trump with writing saying, this is our hemisphere.
So that's a hell of a sphere of influence.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sphere of influences.
I think the official stance of the podcast is we're against spheres of influence.
Yeah, I guess we are.
We're against the influencer spheres, certainly.
So we cheered.
I think geopolitically we are as well.
You know who else was against spheres of influence, Chris?
Who?
Franklin D. Roosevelt.
A much better president than the one they have at the moment.
Him and the America that he led was very much after World War II, they were absolutely against the idea of these empires.
France and Britain would have quite liked to have restored their spheres of influence.
The Russians certainly were keen on establishing theirs.
And to his total credit, Roosevelt was like, no, this is not how the world works.
We're going to have a rules-based order, self-determination, democracy, all of that stuff.
Boring.
That's so uncool now, isn't it?
It's so uncool.
It's neoliberal.
Mir Sharma.
Mir Sharma would like a word.
Yeah.
A man with incredible predictive tendencies who noted that, you know, they predicted nothing was going to happen in Venezuela mere days before things happened.
So again, just another indication that you really should heed his geopolitical analysis.
Can we keep the Celtic sphere of influence?
Is that okay?
Do you have one?
Yeah.
Yeah.
We've got like a genetic sphere of influence, which we seeded across the world when we were all escaping like a famine.
So that's it.
Like to think of all the Americans with the Irish tattoos and stuff.
Or you, you're part of our sphere of influence.
You're of Irish seed, right?
I just stopped saying seed.
I don't the manosphere episodes have affected me.
Just making your mute choice, Matt.
Thank you.
You just, you just, you're conjuring up images of like hordes of Irishmen going around the world.
I don't like that.
I mean, Randy Irishman, it's a, it's not a good, not a good image.
In some tavern on the outskirts of the empire.
Yeah.
I said, well, okay, we'll disavoy all spheres of influence, including the Celtic one then.
We're against them all.
So that's what people come for here anyway, Matt, is our geopolitical insights.
This was, this was like when some people, you know, they weren't really asking me in detail, but they were just saying, you know, what do you think about this on the Patreon?
And I was thinking, like, I am not the man to give you insights into Venezuelan geopolitics.
It's not my sphere of expertise, if you like.
I have absolutely no idea.
I mean, generally, you know, the general thing, which is that people are like, what the fuck is this?
What is the U.S. doing?
No congressional approval, international law, all that kind of stuff.
But just in general, what effect does Aristine Maduro have in Venezuela?
What are the opposition parties and the leaders who are going to come up now?
I don't know.
I don't know.
No idea.
That's right.
You can't know everything, Chris.
You know, you know, a few things.
You've got a few bits of expertise.
No, I'm the same.
Like, you could put everything I know about Venezuela on a napkin.
And, you know, I do, you know, one gets obsessed with little topics.
I did get obsessed with Ukraine.
And I did even get obsessed with Israel and Palestine a bit years ago and read all these history books and stuff.
And, you know, maybe, maybe at some point could, you know, venture at least a decent opinion.
But yeah, I don't have a good one on this.
I mean, I have an opinion like everyone else does, but, you know, I just don't know.
The level of salt that is required to take a whip is like dangerous for humans.
That's the thing.
So, you know, if you want that kind of analysis or response, go listen to the rest is politics or choose your poison, right?
There's many outlets there available.
But the other thing that makes it difficult, Chris, I think, is with Trump is that he just, you don't know, like everything he says is such complete bullshit.
So he says, oh, we're taking all their oil and we're running the country now.
Well, you're not running the country.
They abducted the leader, but it's not like.
And it would take a very long time.
Yeah.
Or is that a plan that he's got?
Or are there wheels in motion?
Or was that the motivation?
Or is he just making up stuff as he goes along because it sounds good?
You just don't know.
I saw reporting that he was upset that Maduro was doing a dance on television saying, come and get me.
It could be as simple as that.
I mean, like, this is the guy that wanted to annex Greenland.
And many people in it's Denmark, right?
That kind of owns Greenland.
I'm not mixed up.
Yes.
Well, I mean, owns it.
Yeah.
But yeah, well, you know, whatever.
I think I saw a relatively serious analysis, which was that their best guess as to why Trump was so interested on it is that he just seen a map and Greenland looks really big.
And he feels like if he could paint a big bit of the map America, then that would be very bigly, right?
It would be like putting his name on top of a hotel and he'd quite like that.
And it could be as dumb as that.
So yeah.
Every time there's leaks from the Trump regime or Elon Musk texts or whatever, you simply cannot underestimate them.
Like they literally are worse than they appear in public and they appear very bad in public.
So you're right.
Like trying to game plan out changes is difficult, but it will reliably be fairly terrible, whatever Trump is doing.
Even the things that he does can have knockdown positive effects or whatever.
It's never really his intention that that happens.
His intentions are much more obvious.
So there you go.
That's our tape.
We don't like Trump.
That's all right.
We don't like Trump.
But yeah, so look, you're sick.
I'm sick.
But we're okay.
We can still record.
But apologies.
It might not be the most effervescent recording.
You know, we might, you know, lacking in esprit decor.
I don't know.
Insights.
Vocabulary, even.
I mean, appropriate words, which those were not.
Yeah.
We've got a good esprit decor.
I feel like that's, isn't that like bands of brother stuff, Matt?
We've seen things.
We've seen stuff on the internet you wouldn't believe.
But I'm going to introduce you to some more of it.
Hey, what people want, Matt, what do people want is to know what the collected weirdos of the internet have been up to recently.
Yeah, I like it.
That's right.
Forget about Venezuela.
That's not important.
Forget about all those other issues.
What you need to know is about what a weirdo is doing on the internet.
Listen, Mr. Sarcasm.
Let's just note, though, that most of the people that are making those decisions are part of the weirdo sphere, right?
Like they're all podcast hosts and X Fox news presenters and whatnot.
So, you know, just saying, the people that we look at now, you might not hear the theme, but just wait.
Give it one or two years and they'll be the fucking president of the city.
Yeah.
So, Matt, you know, you remember our take on the Nick Frontes, Piers Morgan showdown, right?
Which happened.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I do remember that.
You know, we were pretty clear in our interpretation that like it wasn't going to be universally agreed that Piers give him a shillocking, right?
Obviously not.
His fans would like what he said mostly.
And, you know, there's enough red meat in there for people that are ethno-nationalist inclined to enjoy, right?
And so on.
So, of course, there were going to be various segments and vocal segments of the internet that declared it a win, right?
We knew that.
We spoke about that on the episode.
But we felt that, you know, if you look at it critically from the content, he's just not doing very well.
Like, his answers are contradictory and he kind of jumps around from well or he's, yeah, like I said, that I'm what off it to, well, it's a low blow to bring up topics like that.
And that's out of context and so on.
And then, you know, the things about his follower and all that kind of stuff, right?
And I did see a clip though, where it provides the counter position.
I see.
And it's from a source that I know that you like to hear from.
So listen to this little clip where two famous comedians, Matt, are discussing the same media we consumed.
Yeah.
Well, listen, I will say this about it.
It's fascinating to watch that there's like a whole group of people that feel very unrepresented in the world.
And especially like young men.
And here you got this young guy with a very high verbal IQ.
And he also does a lot of shit posting, a lot of talking shit, a lot of trolling, says women shouldn't be allowed to vote.
This is wild shit.
And that Piers Morgan thing is like, bro, that was like an expert sparring with someone who thought they were an expert.
Sure.
Like they're playing two totally different games.
And it's also the thing, the thing that people try to get Fuentes on is he's still funny as fuck.
It's funny.
So that's where you're in a lot of trouble.
When he hits, do you think the Holocaust, you made jokes about the Holocaust?
He goes, too soon.
Like, dude.
And you could see.
You could see, but you could see Piers going, oh, fuck.
And he was like, me mom died.
I was like, holy shit.
He got hit.
He got hit with a missile on that one.
Too soon.
Too soon.
I was like, oh, my God.
I don't know if this is AI or not, but this photo just popped up online.
Oh, no.
Okay, so that's Joe Rogan.
Joe Rogan.
We have Shane Gillis.
Shane Gillis is I don't know Shane Gillis, but I assume he's an absolute moron.
So, yeah, okay.
So they think Nick Frentos are in Jim.
Nick Frentes is incredibly funny, just coming in with the zingers.
I mean, just incredible stuff.
That was an expert display, Matt.
He was dismantled.
Like Piers Morgan thought.
And Piers Morgan was just talking about somebody's grandmother who died in the Holocaust.
Or boo-hoo.
God, Joe Rogan is just, I mean, yeah.
He's so terrible.
Every clip that gets played of him is just him being the most insufferable dickhead.
Like, it's there.
There literally are endless clips every week of him being insufferable and say things.
And Shane Gillis is actually one of the better of the Rogan comedians.
He's someone that actually occasionally calls them out.
But here, you know, I think this just speaks that like when I watched that, I was a little bit like, you know what, Bucker finds this guy appealing.
You know, that was what you said as well.
Like, who is watching this going, oh, that guy, that's the, you know, he's really charismatic.
And the answer is Joe Rogan.
Yes, he's Joe Rogan.
My God.
And so just let me try to understand it from Joe Rogan's point of view.
Because from his point of view, Nick Frentes is just a funny guy.
He's just trolling.
He's just triggering people with this talk about ethno-nationalism and racism and how women aren't allowed to vote.
He's just being funny.
Is that what Joe Rogan thinks?
No, because there's another clip where he talks about Fuentes with another comedian.
Rogan is explaining how, like, when you call everyone a Nazi, when you say white men aren't allowed to have an opinion, what you get is Fuentes in response because he's the kind of pushback against those, you know, kind of liberal woke schools.
So he does note, like he says there, you know, he says some controversial things.
Yeah.
So it's not like a full-on endorsement, but it is that the most important thing is that he's, you know, triggering people and he's charismatic and being controversial.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm just amazed that he thinks he's charismatic or funny.
Isn't that amazing?
Isn't that amazing?
Like he is such a dweeb.
I know.
But there's the thing is, there's so many people that are classed as charismatic.
And it's, it's, it's on the same thing.
The word has lost all meaning, Chris.
It's lost all meaning.
Yeah, it kind of in some sense.
It's become like Nazi, the same problem.
You know, they've overused it.
They're calling it.
Everyone has charisma now.
Yeah.
Well, I do think one of the issues is like they often what people mean by charisma is speaks confidently and smoothly in front of audience or on recordings.
Right.
And, you know, Dan Sperber, researchers talked about the guru effect and all those, you know, pseudo profound bullshit and whatnot.
You can create the impression of like competence and insight by just delivery.
But Nick Fuentes, you know, is he is he really doing that?
Whatever.
But yes, he apparently he has charisma for Red Scare, Joe Rogan.
You know, this is the target audience.
But again, that Red Scare and Joe Rogan would like him is what I would have told you before we did the episode.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Well, no, thanks for playing that.
I don't really have a comment apart from that is just Joe Rogan is bad, but we we knew that.
So we know that.
We know that.
Well, I've got a new guy for you, a new one.
Do you know Jimmy Carr?
It's another comedian, Matt.
Oh, I was just complaining about Jimmy Carr to my brother.
And you're going to, oh, good timing.
Good timing.
So he was on trigonometry.
And he was talking about physics, Matt.
You know, you got to get your physics insight from comedians.
So let's hear what Jimmy has to say about the problem with physics in 2025/slash six.
The other thing is physics.
So this is Peter Thiel's point, but minus the screens from any room were living in the 1970s, right?
So nothing's happened in physics since 72.
String theory has not got us anywhere.
But if you take the compute power of AI and point it at physics, now everything else in science is stamp collecting, right?
Physics is the real thing.
That gave us everything.
Every bit of technology that we have comes from the physics department.
And, you know, what happens when you point AI at that?
That's a that feels to me like something that people aren't really thinking about and is incredibly could be incredible.
We could have a world of plenty where there's no, you know, if we if we increase productivity by 50 times and there's a human flourishing, fantastic.
I hope that's the world we live in.
But it could go another way.
Wow.
Yeah, at least he got in there.
You know, they could go the other way.
They don't want to.
But some big insights, big insights there.
Why hasn't anyone thought of this?
Why don't we just take the AI, point it at physics?
Yeah.
Then whatever, 50 times productivity.
And the other sciences.
No fucking sideshow.
You know?
CRISPR, sure, vaccines, you know, all those kind of things, but like, weren't they done on computers anyway?
What about, yeah, robotics?
What does he think physics is?
Like, no one has more respect for physics than I, but nervous.
But it doesn't directly lead to gadgets in your living room, right?
It's, there's a whole bunch of other, you know, are you saying engineering and stuff has to be involved for that?
Yes, material sciences.
I mean, there are so many things that are, you know, still sideshows, man.
Sideshows.
And his comment there, you know, keep the screens out of the room.
We're living in the 70s, right?
Like, just take the screens out.
Everything, nothing's changed.
Was he alive in the 70s?
Like, I was alive.
I was alive in the 80s, and things are pretty different from then.
Yeah.
And just that naive.
Oh, yeah.
Nobody's thought of this.
Nobody's thought.
What if we could, what if AI could be used to help with research outcomes?
No, no one's thought of that at all.
Nobody's thought about that.
Don't let you let you talk about that.
And you know, this is exactly what Angela Collier, the YouTuber, physics online YouTuber person was talking about about like physics bros, right?
Whether they're not actually interested in physics.
Like Jimmy Carr there is interested in physics the same way that Steve Jobs was, right?
They like to talk about how, you know, I dabble with physics on the side or whatever.
I could have done a PhD in physics, but all they mean is they want to say string theory is a waste of time.
Physics has done nothing and regurgitate the tics of like Peter Thiel, Eric Weinstein, Sabina Osenfelder.
That's what it is.
And like, this is exactly Sabina, Peter Thiel, Eric's line that like physics isn't doing anything since they were doing their training, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think philosophy and physics, in the minds of these types, they are high status fields.
Well, ancient philosophy.
Incipi.
Yeah.
Which every dunk on and propose their own sort of random stuff.
But I mean, it's just so.
Yeah.
He's an asinine person, Jimmy Carr.
Everything I've heard from him is absolute nonsense.
He's recreated himself as a kind of a right-wing commentator person.
And he is just so third grade.
It's just recycled bullshit of the third order.
Yeah, he's a good punchline comic, right?
That's what he was.
That's what he's good at.
He's good at giving quippy one-liners.
I have to say, I never liked him as a comic.
I mean, long before I knew anything about his thing.
I'm not retroactively revising my opinion of him.
I just didn't happen to lie.
I don't like that style of comedy.
I think it's pretty.
It's not my cup of tailor, but I still feel that he was objectively good at his craft.
Oh, yeah.
He was a very popular comic.
He was very successful and popular.
I'm like the trigonometry.
Yeah, exactly.
I like the trigonometry.
It's good to get that in there.
But yeah, I've heard him talk about other things about how stand-ups should be taught in school as a subject because it allows you to break barriers, Matt, to start seeing through the system and stuff.
And like, somebody's got to get a arena on these comics.
Like, they've gone mad with attention and power.
Like, they're right here imagining that they're fucking scientists and medical experts and shit.
And they're just, they're like stand-up comedians of varying quality, as we've seen.
Yeah, they have these little brain farts and then it introduces it as this bright idea they've had that no one else has thought of.
Well, last I heard of Jimmy Carl, the thing that annoyed me was that he was talking about immigration in the UK and he was against it, of course.
And he just doesn't like all of the, all of the Indian and Pakistani people and stuff like that.
And he says, the people.
Strawman, Matt.
You're strawman in it.
He's got a very complex position.
It's not complex.
It's not complex.
Anyway, we don't have the clip, but just trust me, it was asinine.
Anyway.
They always have the option, you know, at the end of it that they can retreat to, it was just a joke.
Look, I'm a comedian.
Jon Stewart somewhat popularized this, right?
Where you can critique and then weave away to, well, I'm just making jokes and stuff like that.
And Joe Rogan did it back when he was pretending not to be anti-vaccine back in the early stages of the pandemic or other controversies he's had, right?
So it is useful to have your background be comic because it gives you like a natural, well, look, you know, come on.
What are you expecting from me?
I'm just a comedian at the end of the day.
Yeah.
But they don't they don't tend to think they're just comedians.
Like there wasn't a joke there, right?
The punchline.
No, no.
No, in the clips I heard of him talking on trigonometry, he's presenting himself as a very thoughtful analyst, commentator on all of these issues.
And he's just a random fool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a that's an accurate description of random fool.
Speaking of random fools, so Andrew Huberman, our favorite optimizer guru.
Yeah.
He is the real scientist, though.
He's not like the real scientist.
That's right.
He's not like these comedians.
He's out there doing his research.
Where is he?
Yeah.
What's his university?
Oh, Stanford.
Stanford.
He's at Stanford.
Somebody's at Stanford.
I mean, come on.
That tells you all you need to know, doesn't it?
I don't think there's anything else you really need to hear except for the prestige of the institution they're involved with.
But with that, news that I saw on GQ, High Andrew Huberman, Goop Kitchen Collaborator, is staying healthy in 2026.
So I like that his title for this article is Goop Kitchen Collaborator, not Stanford Professor, Goop Kitchen.
So he's got together with Gwyneth Paltrow to design some menu items for her online, you know, overpriced food delivery service.
And this comes with a puff piece interview for GQ where he talks about his motivation for that.
But yeah, so I think this is very unknowsed because, you know, disparagingly, Huberman has been referred to as goop for men.
And we noted parallels to the way that the health and wellness sphere works and the optimizer sphere.
And yeah, this was a roller on the nose crossover.
I do feel this was there was a time where Huberman wouldn't have done this, you know, maybe two years ago or so.
I feel like he wouldn't have wanted to tie his brand to Gwyneth Paltrow, but he's he's pretty much now just openly hanging around with all the pseudo-scientists.
And, you know, his podcast has got big enough that I don't think that really concerns him anymore.
That's right.
I mean, I've spelt out my theory of this arc to you before, where I guess earlier on in his career, he was more concerned with credibility, would maybe work a little bit harder to, you know, play the role of the science educator.
But, you know, and so there's the establishment phase and then there's the exploitation phase and, you know, all the stuff that he's got, all the sponsors and endorsements that he's got.
I mean, all the supplements and protein bars and special electrolyte drink mixes and cookware and meditation apps and special mattresses.
And, you know, you name it.
You know, he's got a sponsorship.
He's got so many sponsorship deals.
And like, that is what it is all about.
And Goop is now the final or the last in this stage.
And like, that is what he is.
He's just a powerhouse of taking his Huberman brand and making money from an endorsement or a sponsorship or a connection.
So what's he doing for Goop?
What's the angle?
Well, have a look in your little message there, Matt, on your WhatsApp and look at that picture and you'll see what he's doing.
There's Huberman's organic turkey chili.
So Huberman, Stanford scientist, has developed this organic turkey chili meal.
$16.95.
Great.
So you can get this pre-made meal.
And this has been scientifically optimized.
That's the way.
That's the only way he rolls this scientifically optimized meal.
So he was asked by the interviewer, your podcast has been called Good for Bros.
How do you feel about that comparison?
Here's what he says.
Gwyneth was first in this general space of thinking about one's health and also bringing about a real life aspect to it, right?
Sometimes you can cook.
Sometimes you need food prepared for you.
She's doing all the vetting of sourcing.
I'm a fan.
It's interesting.
I think the press tends to pick up on the most extremes on the distribution of any one kind of personal brand.
So you're Matt, you got the pseudo-profound bullshit, right?
Ends of the distribution of anybody.
What he means is they're pointing out like the same thing she endorses when like a lot of her stuff is just very solid, good health advice.
But you can't just, you can't put that.
You have to use scientific terminology because that shows you're a science man, you know?
And do you like also that there's somewhere else in the article that he mentions that how their engagement was made that, you know, he said something positive about Gwyneth Paltrow and someone drew you or whatever.
And then she heard it and it filtered out and then reached out to him about collaborating and was like, yeah, that is the way the gurusphere works is, you know, they're throwing out a lot of Priyas and stuff or neglecting to criticize people.
And most times it probably isn't going to lead to like a direct collaboration.
But, you know, sometimes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're cooking up a turkey chili recipe for the online group store.
So yeah.
Okay.
Well, so he's a very rich man, Andrew Huberman.
And getting richer.
Getting richer.
Oh, he also, he also said this, but I know we covered this before when he was tweeting out about this, but at the end of the interview, he mentioned to the interviewer, because it's transcript, that there's like, oh, who's that dog behind you in the picture or whatever?
And she's like, oh, that's my dog.
Then he goes into, you know, discussing his own dog.
And he said, the pits live a long time, so you're good.
When my dog, a bulldog mastiff, got to be nine and a half and was achy and hurting.
I'm not ashamed of this.
I started injecting him with 50 milligrams of testosterone per week.
His aches and pains went away.
He got another two and a half years of life.
Again, great science there, Matt.
He's a science man.
You know, he injected the dog with testosterone and the dog lived for two and a half years without any XRPS.
Presumably, the dog signaled us shaking his paws and fighting him because he previously said that the dog looked at him with thanking eyes after he started the injections.
Like, so yeah.
Yep, yep.
Yeah, well, they're experimenting on themselves.
They might as well experiment on their dogs.
It's not normal behavior, is it?
To just be injecting your dogs with testosterone.
You shouldn't be doing that.
No, no, no, you should not be.
And the fact that he prefaces that comment by saying, I'm not ashamed of this.
Like, maybe you're a little bit ashamed of it.
Like, or maybe it's part of the brand.
But it did remind me, Matt, that there's an article in Vanity Fair, why Brian Johnson, Dave Asprey, and the other longevity bros are obsessed with their penises.
And this article is documenting in some detail how it's not a new thing that long lonativity influencers of previous eras have also been like very focused.
They're all dead now, Matt, sadly.
You know, they were planning to live forever, but they're sadly all dead.
But a lot of them have ended up believing that the secret to eternal life is in their testicles or in their region around their penises.
It's a surprising thing that men often end up coming to this conclusion.
It's just science, Chris.
That's just science.
Yeah, they tell a horrific story about somebody who is performing like highly requested surgeries for rich people.
You know, the problem is, Matt, if testosterone is the source of eternal life, right?
As we know it is.
And as you get older, testosterone decreases, right?
If you are a man.
I presume if you're a woman as well, but you know, who cares about them?
So you need a source of good, fresh, young testosterone.
Now, the problem is younger men, they don't want to give you their balls.
They're generally attached to those.
So what to do?
What a pickle.
And in this article, it outlined how one researcher's solution was, well, what if we just take chimpanzee balls and attach chip and z balls to if you'd like to continue listening to this conversation, you'll need to subscribe at patreon.com/slash decoding the gurus.
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