In this episode, Matt and Chris try to get from where they are to where they want to be, accepting their hidden strengths and dismantling their egos as they immerse themselves fully in the wild world of Matthew McConaughey's burgeoning self-help empire. Join them as they uncover the true Art of Livin’ and learn how it is that an Academy Award-winning Hollywood star finds himself sharing life advice alongside the likes of Tony Robbins and Dean Graziosi.With bongos, heartfelt confessions, and a sales pitch that'll make your wallet quiver, we break down the one-and-only event where journaling and wet dreams are your ticket to self-actualisation. Brace yourself for some heavy-duty motivational speeches, meaningful shared stories, and just a pinch of canned audience responses, as we ride shotgun on this once-in-a-lifetime self-help seminar.And how much will all this cost you? You ask? It should be $3000, but for today only, we give it all for free.LinksMcConaughey's segment from the The Art of Livin' EventKeyasWorld: Matthew McConaughey's self-help event WAS INSANEKeyasWorld: Is Matthew McConaughey Starting a Cult?Rolling Stone: Matthew McConaughey Will Dispense ‘Lyrics of Livin’ in New Weekly NewsletterThe Monastery in the DesertMikhaila Peterson: #32 Matthew McConaugheyLex Fridman: Matthew McConaughey: Freedom, Truth, Family, Hardship, and Love | Lex Fridman Podcast #384
Welcome to Code and the Gurus, the podcast where an anthropologist and psychologist listen to the greatest minds the world has to offer.
Uh, that's enough of that.
Edaway.
Oh, um, oh, wait, excuse me.
That must be the incredible, the wonderful.
A man that is a legend, he's a he's a follower.
His kids love him.
His colleagues can't praise him enough.
He's published thousands of papers.
He's the most cited academic psychologist in the world.
World famous Matthew Brown.
But no, wait.
Today, I see people out there.
I see Matthew.
We're hurting.
You know, we're all not where we want to be.
We want to go somewhere, but we're not there yet.
We've all got things.
We've got stuff that we want to do.
But maybe today, just today's the day.
Look yourself in the mirror.
Give yourself a chance.
Reach for where you can go.
You can get there.
We can help.
We're all in this together.
You, me, Matthew.
We're all the same.
We're one.
We're different.
We're the same, but we're different.
We've got places to go.
We've got places to go.
Okay, shut up.
Just shut up and take my money.
Shut up and take my money.
Yeah.
Anyway, okay, that's the intro.
I'm Matt Brown.
I'm the psychologist.
Here's Chris Kavanagh.
He's the anthropologist.
He is the Woody Harrison to my Matthew McConaughey.
Go.
Spoiler alert.
That's what this episode.
You don't even need to say.
They would have got it just from your imitation.
Everybody around this turn.
People would have been really confused, going, wait, I thought I was listening to Decoded the Gurus, but this sounds like True Detective.
What's going on?
Yeah, that's it.
Well, so yes, in case you haven't worked it out, we are covering Hollywood actor Matthew McConaughey, famed for many things, roles in Dazed and Confused and True Detective more recently, and so on and so forth.
And why are we covering a Hollywood man?
That's not within our remit, Matt.
We don't cover Hollywood people that much.
I mean, Eric Weinstein could be if he put his mind to it in Hollywood, but he's not.
So why are we looking at a big A-list Hollywood star?
It's confusing, isn't it?
Because Hollywood actors, secular gurus, different, different categories.
Yes.
Some things to him, but their friends.
But yeah, there is some points of crossover.
As we'll hear, Matthew McConaughey has spread his wings and ventured beyond the big white signs there on the hill and getting a little bit into the self-help realm.
And I still think it's a bit different from our standard run-of-the-mill, intellectually branded guru.
But just like we cover alternative therapy people and self-improvement people, life extension people.
Yeah.
This kind of self-help, I think, falls within our remit.
It's just a pretty unusual, pretty interesting thing to look at.
Yeah, yeah.
And so Matthew McConaughey published a book called Green Lights in 2020, which was, you know, sort of autobiographical, but like a very self-helpy spiritual development kind of aspect to it.
And then he held this event, which is what we were looking at, the art of living event.
There's no G on the living as well.
It's an art of living apostrophe event.
And this was promoted across like social media at the time, like highly promoted.
There were YouTube ads.
It was on Instagram.
It was on Facebook.
It was hard to avoid.
And people were like a little bit wondering what this is because it was billed as this like event.
There's going to be this art of living event.
Sign up.
Don't miss it.
Matthew McConaughey in a way you've never seen him before.
Right.
So like people, I think it genuinely were a little bit like, what's going on?
But what is this?
And yeah, you could attend virtually or there were various tiers that you could get, which would unlock extra interactions with McConaughey.
You could be on like a live Zoom with him and he was going to address more Q ⁇ A and this kind of thing.
Right.
So this was the event.
Now, Matt, the event at the time was five and a half hours long.
It was like a, you know, a live stream event.
And if you think that's a long time for McConaughey to talk, you'd be right.
So he doesn't just talk.
He's got like a whole host of other people that come in and do segments, you know, for 15 minutes or half an hour.
So his actual component is probably only around an hour and a half of that event.
And we'll get into like what the event is.
But I will note the event is now taken down from YouTube.
You cannot get it anymore.
Fortunately, one smart guy archived it back at the time because we were talking about covering it.
So I have the full five and a half hours, but you can only get the one hour McConaughey, one segment of it online.
But you, Matt, you're in for a tree because I've got stuff from all the other segments as well.
And I did listen to it all.
Okay.
Listen to it all.
I listened to the shorter version.
That was enough, Chris.
That was enough.
About 16 seconds in, I was beginning to regret my life choices.
It's something.
It's really something.
So, well, good on you.
Good on you.
Yeah.
So he was certainly headlining this event.
He was the big draw car.
But there were other people with a more established career and self-help who were also involved, weren't they?
Correct, correct.
And we'll go through some of them.
And I will also say that I had come across McConaughey in other aspects of the guru sphere because he'd appeared, for example, on Jordan Peterson's podcast, on Michaela Peterson's podcast, and with Lex Friedman.
The Lex Friedman interview was more just like kind of a celebrity interview, you know, like Robert Downey Jr. appearing with Rogan, that kind of thing.
But the Peterson appearances were more in the self-help vein.
So, this event is like in collaboration with a bunch of established self-help people.
But he appears to have learned from them and now has developed his own self-help thing, which he is currently promoting.
So, this is, you know, the beginning of his story, but it still continues to this day.
So you can, you know, go to his website and get weekly poetic affirmations and stuff.
So I don't think this is the end of Matthew McKenna in Self-Helpland.
And he may very well end up doing a political run.
So you might be seeing a lot of him in the future.
So yeah.
All right.
And many talents.
Yes.
So yes, without further ado, let's start getting into the event because we've got a lot to get through.
Got a lot to get through.
So to give some kind of context, so this is the MC of the event welcoming people to it.
Okay.
This is not McConaughey, but I've got a couple clips from this that will set the vibe.
My question is, how are you feeling out there?
Show us with your body.
Get inside the chat box.
We've got Facebook, YouTube, Zoom.
How you feeling?
My name is Kiris Akuchis, and I will be your MC for the day today.
I'm here basically to help you get the most out of this virtual event, especially if this is your very first time tuning in to an incredible experience like this.
You know, some of you, and let us know in the chat box right now which category you fall in.
Some of you maybe have connected with Matthew throughout the years through the movies or maybe in the book Green Lights.
And some of you maybe just landed at an event like this for the very first time.
You saw an ad, you got invited by a friend and you're like, holy smokes, how the heck did I even get here?
And now you're a couple minutes away from hanging out with Matthew freaking Makatahe.
Is that not the craziest thing?
Yeah.
Hey, I have a technical question for you, Chris.
Yeah.
The crowd from West.
You'll hear a lot.
Oh, yeah.
Is this a renter crowd or something?
How does this work exactly?
Well, that's interesting.
So this is what I think is happening.
So the painted picture before people who haven't seen the event, the person is hosting, but behind them, there is a kind of wall of Zoom videos, right?
Like hundreds of them there.
And they're kind of responding to what's being said.
And, you know, they get some prompts at times.
So you can see they are listening or at least appear to be.
But I am almost certain that the audience crowds or noises that you hear are like canned, like sign files, because they don't match.
And you'll hear them.
There's no way that those are organic.
It's canned laughter and stuff.
And then on top of that, the other bit that is interactive or like actually happening is they have a chat room that people are typing into.
So I think the pictures and the chat room are interactive and live, but the applause and the laughter that you'll hear later is not.
I mean, you can judge for yourself, but it's really.
I think the camera, the camera certainly never pants to the audience.
We never see this noisy.
No, they're just in the background.
Yeah.
No.
Yeah.
Okay.
I pretty much 100% think you're right.
Okay.
So that sets the scene.
You have to imagine these characters coming up on stage.
It's a nice big, you know, it's a soundstage, you know, but there must be cameras, but there's no one in front of them.
It's just a production team.
But they're acting as though they're talking to people.
In front of a big, huge crowd.
Okay, yeah.
There is an element, like the scenery, when it goes to different people's shifts, right, at certain times because they're in, you know, different locations.
But like McConaughey's is kind of a like log cabin, wooden building, you know, in the mountains kind of thing.
But it looks like a set.
It doesn't look like that's an actual place that like he's actually somewhere, but it appears to be a set.
I can't tell, you know, if the scenery outside the window, I think it's fake, but it looks a little bit like Star Wars.
There's elements that are real and elements which are perhaps green screened or whatever.
But in any case, so a bit more mad about the kind of interactive vibe that they're going for here.
It's not just like watching a Matthew McConaughey movie kicking back with some popcorn.
This is actually deeply interactive.
So if you're a VIP, give me a wave right now.
You're actually on a Zoom call with Matthew McConaughey today.
How nuts is that?
And go ahead and put your cameras on, okay?
This is a camera-on experience.
And then, Lena, and I got to tell you something.
Please remember your camera is on, okay?
Wink, wink.
For everybody else, whether you're tuning in on Facebook or YouTube or Zoom, one of the most important ways that you're going to communicate today with Matthew McConaughey and all of the incredible speakers that hit this stage is inside of your chat box.
And so it's not your normal thing, Matt.
This isn't the one-way communication, but this is interactive.
You're actually hanging out live with McConaughey Nai.
And if you paid the extra $147 to get, you know, the Zoom room, you're in the same Zoom.
Like, that is, can you believe that?
You know, you're basically best friends with McConaughey.
So that's who the video is.
The video is the people in the Zoom call, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So this part is real.
This is an online event.
It's very exciting because people could in dial in be part of a massive Zoom call.
If you've ever been in a giant Zoom call, like listening to a speaker, you know how exciting that is and how interactive it is.
You might be muted, but you're there, right?
You're a little square in the background, but you're as much a part of this as the speaker.
Okay.
So yeah, that was it.
Telling people it's interactive.
We're all here.
We're going to have a good time.
Now let's get people a little bit more involved with this experience.
Okay.
Lay your hands on the keyboard and then leave them there today because that's how you're going to interact and pitch and catch and hang out with Matthew McAdahey and all of our other speakers.
They actually want to hear from you.
They want to connect With you.
They want you to share your interpretation of today and connect with other people, create community, and get the most out of this event.
A little on the nose.
A little on the nose, Ruby, but like put your hands on your keyboard, keep them there.
That's your connection with these amazing people, including Matthew McConaughey.
How many times are you going to hear Matthew McConaughey's name dropped here?
But like just that thing of, you know, like they're really interested to interact with you.
They really want to know what you think of what they're saying and stuff.
Like it's very much thinging up the cultish manipulation tactics that we talk about on the grometer.
Yeah, but it's doing it in fast forward, right?
Because typically those dynamics are developed over, you know, a period of months or years through, you know, whatever, forums and so on.
But this is like, right.
You've never heard of us.
You've never heard of this event, but we've got Matthew McConaughey right here.
We're a community now.
Okay.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
And oh, we are a community.
Perfect, Matt.
Let's just hear a bit more about that.
By the way, is this a community here today?
A group of us here to master the art of living.
We're starting as strangers, but what's uniting us is that we all want more in some capacity.
And so we get to show up and give more to this experience.
So check in with yourself right now.
Are you sitting back like passively in your chair?
Do you have like a million tabs open on your computer?
Do you have just one earbutton?
Or are you completely and totally engaged?
Are you leaned in?
Do you have a smile on your face for God's sakes?
Are you ready to experience more is essentially the basis of this question.
Yes, my friends.
If you want more, it's going to be highly advantageous to give more of yourself to this day.
So that is it.
If you are ready, make some noise.
Let's just shake the body out.
Shake off the day.
Shake off the weekend.
Stretch it up to the ceiling.
Lean over.
Come on.
Shake that day off.
And it's time to get this party started.
Once you know that there's a canned applause track there, it just changes everything because you're just imagining this poor technician.
He's sitting there with his finger on the canned applause thing.
He's going, when's the right time for me to push it?
And she's doing stuff like saying, okay, now loosen up, loosen up, shake yourself up.
He goes, I think this is an applause point.
But I do enjoy that Alan Partridge aspect of, you know, imagining the production.
But also, Matt, can we take a minute for this creepiness?
Like, you know, we're showing up here as individuals, but we're going to leave as a community.
And you got to be invested.
Are you really locked in to the opportunity that's in front of you?
Are you doing other things?
Like, you got to focus, Matt.
Are you giving it all?
Are you looking at me enough?
Are you smiling enough?
You know, how committed are you to improving yourself today?
It's like it's already in self-helpy hard sell atmosphere mode.
But, you know, this is the kind of thing that the gurus do as well.
But like you said, they're not usually immediately up to like 11, right?
So it's just, it's the same techniques, but like kind of in a very strong form from the get-go.
But here's the point where I wonder whether you might be losing some of our audience, particularly our North American audience, because this.
I insulted for the North American.
Carry on.
Because this, this thing that you're referring to, this sort of rampant positivity, which and I don't know.
Like, because you see it not only in like self-helpy circles, but in like corporate circles, like, you know, like a micro, like a Microsoft product launch will have them jumping around on self-defense.
Developers, developers, developers.
That's right.
Like, it happens in corporate world too.
And in a bunch of contexts, and it's a bit like the clinical speak, which for us is going, this is, this is deeply wrong.
I think many North Americans kind of shrug and go, but yeah, this is just what you do when you're having an event.
I might be giving them too much credit for actually doing that.
But to support your point, when we put this up on our Patreon, you know, where we put the material in advance for people, if they want to watch it, there was a lot of people that were like, I can't stomach one minute of this.
This is making me want to end it all here and so on.
But there were just a couple of responses that were like, okay, it's a little bit cringy, but like fundamentally, this is just people trying to pump each other up.
And I was like, are you kidding me?
Like, this is not what this, but, but that does speak to people's tolerance being different.
So if you happen to be a North American and so far you're like, what?
What are they?
What are they doing?
Like, oh, okay.
Well, the world contains multitudes.
We'll see where it goes later.
But my flags are raised.
That's the point I would make.
Okay.
Yeah.
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
Just flagging that.
But, you know, we'll continue.
We'll see whether or not any more red flags come up.
Yeah, maybe McConaughey is not going to be into all this.
Let's see.
But he'll be a nice grounded.
Yeah, maybe.
I mean, let's be at the test.
Let's see.
Not spoiler surprise.
But one last thing from this, Matt.
So this context, as you mentioned, it isn't entirely McConaughey's brainchild, right?
He's kind of joined forces with some of the worst people in the world.
So there's one that's called Dean Grazio.
And I just want to hear the way that he's kind of credited by the MC, right?
Because they're going to hand over to McConaughey, but they want to give a shout out to like Dean.
And Tony Robbins is also going to show up.
But listen to this.
Self-growth, self-exploration, self-development were actually orchestrated by Dean, and he's the brain behind the art of living, this event here today in partnership with Matthew.
And sure, he's written New York Times best-selling books.
He's been a part of building a ton of companies.
He's created incredible amounts of success.
But his claim to fame is three things.
Number one, he's an amazing husband.
He's an incredible father.
And he's most importantly, a man on a mission to help important messages like what we're going to learn today reach people around the world like us.
Dean, Matthew, together, they've been working For months to bring this project to life, and today I'm so excited you finally get to experience the magic that is the art of living.
Are you ready, my friends?
Please help me.
Welcome to the stage to kick this beautiful day off.
It's Dean Graziosi!
Thank you.
What a setup.
And so his main plane to fame is he's an amazing husband and father.
I'm an amazing husband and father.
I never get.
I don't introduce you to like that.
That's what I'm about saying when people ask, you know, about the podcast and they're like, can you give a could you give a fun summary?
What's your background?
Well, you know, I'm an academic.
I do a podcast, but what I really want you to know.
My main claim to fame.
Yeah, I'm a goddamn great dad and an incredible husband and everybody loves me.
And like, you know, as you said, this could be a little bit of a cultural difference in a way, right?
In terms of what's acceptable about, you know, kind of pumping people up.
But like, I do hold hope for humanity that most people would regard this as like incredibly cringy.
Like, I'm not alone there, right?
That is, that is somebody doing this kind of endorsement is just like, it's just weird.
It's just a weird way to talk.
You just said how great someone is and they're so amazing.
And then, yeah, and also they're great that.
Yeah, yeah.
But again, I'm going to point out that this is, in a way, power for the course for certain cultural milieu, which is that you'd be introducing your, you know, your Flash tech consultant management guy.
You know, I want to introduce Chris Kavanaugh.
You know, he's, man, he's revolutionized the things.
He's brought dynamic change to countless organizations.
Chris Kavanagh, woo!
You know, like it's kind of what people do.
And it is incredibly fake, but it's whether or not you think that's a problem or not, I suppose.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, anyway, let's continue on.
So Dean's arrives.
As Norm McDonald would say, all of the stars are tonight there.
So let's hear a little bit more.
I always like to say to miss a minute is to miss way too much, but plus we have some amazing speakers.
You're going to hear from people like Dean Graziosi, Marie Forleo, Trent Shelton, and we even have the incredible and the amazing Mr. Tony Robbins joining us at the end of the day today.
So you're in for a treat.
It's going to blow your mind and heart.
I got to sit in and be a part of the prep the last two days.
And what you are about to experience is going to lead you to a land of more, more love, more passion, more joy, more spunk.
Whatever it is you're here for, this is the avenue where you get to create it.
More love, more joy, and more spunk.
Science is fantastic.
Science.
All the stars are out today.
You've got them all.
And that certainly didn't sound like can't applause.
Like that was just the audience reaction to hearing those luminaries in the field.
Now, Dean Grazio, let's hear a little bit from him.
Hey, guys.
Hey, everybody.
Now, don't worry.
McConaughey will be on in just a few minutes.
I just wanted to jump in.
For those I'm meeting for the first time, hello.
It's a pleasure.
It's a privilege to be here.
For those that I see, we know each other.
What's up?
Hey, I wanted to give a little context, a little behind the scenes on how an event like this happens.
Now, speaking of fakeness, you have to remember this is a guy in an empty room.
Well, not empty.
There's a production crew.
He's pointing out to a blank wall, going, hey, what's up?
Let's hope, Matt.
Let's just hope that those.
I mean, you're right.
You're right, of course.
But like, maybe they've got a screen up with like the Zoom people.
Maybe.
That's what you'd hope I'd like.
But yeah, you know, that's really genuine.
He's so happy to see these familiar faces and stuff.
What's up?
How's your family?
You know, like he cares.
Yeah, he's a self-help guy.
That's what it's about for him.
And I do like that that every time one of these people comes on, they have to say, Matthew will be coming shortly.
You're waiting for Matthew.
Like the way he's coming.
He's coming.
You don't know this guy, but Matthew's coming.
So, Chris, did you check out the background of these people?
So Tony Robinson.
Tony Robbins?
Tony Robinson.
Tony Robbins.
Tony Robbins.
He's obviously pretty famous.
They're doing this sort of self-help circuit thing for decades, probably.
But this guy, you're speaking now, I've already forgotten his name.
He didn't seem as charismatic as the other guys.
And he seems like a new face.
Oh, no, no.
I mean, yes, I know.
He's not as charismatic.
I labeled the clips initially as Chipmunk Man, which is perhaps, you know, I might be making a relatively new comment on this appearance.
But he is like kind of chipmunky, but he's very much like a polished self-help guy.
This guy has been around.
He's a big deal in the self-help world.
And he's just done all the things that you would expect, published all these self-help books, done events with Tony Robbins and Oprah or, you know, whatever.
So he is a big deal in the self-help world, but not known, I think, in general more broadly.
He claims to be a billionaire or like have set up 13 companies and also a serial entrepreneur and stuff.
But like, I think almost all these companies are like self-help for the companies.
Yeah.
So he's not as big as Tony Robbins, but he's he's in the league, top theoretical and of self-help people.
Okay.
But now let's let's hear a little bit more from Dean, because what I want to really know, what everybody's here for is like, well, how did you arrange this event, Dean?
But I got done reading Green Lights about a year ago.
And when I got done, I wanted more.
I wanted more McConaughey.
I wanted more what he was delivering.
I've been in this industry, helping serve people for over 27 years.
And it was so different.
I could feel his heart speaking to mine, but not just as the actor, As someone giving you a better path.
So I immediately called my dear friend, one of my best friends in the world, and my partner, Tony Robbins.
I'm like, you've got to read McConaughey's book.
I'm telling you.
So about a week later, I called him.
I said, Hey, did you read that book?
He's like, Not yet.
I'm like, read the damn thing.
So two days later, my phone rings.
I see it's Tony, and I pick it up.
And the words he says is, This bastard's crazier than me.
And he said, when he got done with being funny, he said, honest and truly, this guy's depth of wisdom is unlike anything I've ever seen.
And the way he delivers it, it kind of sticks to the ribs.
I said, I know the world needs more McConaughey.
So we invited him to speak at a couple of our events, and they were our biggest events.
We had over 2 million people over two events, and people went nuts.
They went absolutely crazy.
Not one of the greatest actors of our time, but they didn't go crazy for the actor.
They went crazy because of how he delivered in a time when we all need it.
Can we all agree the last couple of years have been pretty damn crazy, right?
And can we all agree?
Can we all agree we all got stuff?
We all got past stuff.
We all got things we're fighting through.
We all got things.
And then you compound it with the craziness of the last couple of years.
And so many people, I've been in the Facebook group.
So many people are lost looking for that next level, looking for a path, looking for a plan.
Now, this is the first example, I think, of something you're going to be hearing throughout, which is this amazing vagueness and generality.
So it's a way of doing pseudo-profound bullshit, you know, where to make you, was it truthiness.
So, you know, we all got stuff, don't we?
That's true.
Yeah, we all got, yeah, I got stuff.
You got stuff, Matt?
And last couple of years, man.
I mean, oh, these last years.
These years.
I mean, it's tough.
It's tough.
It's tough out there.
You know, like you racked up about six of those sorts of statements.
Like, I know, but they're kind of like, well, how do you describe those, Chris?
They're not Barnum statements, but they're like a, they're like a, a kind of a thing that applies to everyone that feels true.
I don't know.
Yeah, yeah.
So I'm sure there is some, you know, nice, piffy word that covers them.
But I think some of them do fall into Barnum statements because later on we'll get the more like clear Barnum statements where like, you know, you think like you could do more, but you also, you've done a lot.
It's like, I could do more, but I have done a lot, a lot, right?
So it's that, but yeah, they are like, you know, this is the kind of generic appeal where you talk to people, they're dissatisfied, you know, things are not going perfect.
There's hardships.
One thing is that they're on this call.
That's a sign that things aren't going great.
And some aspect that you're here, you know, listening to this guy pitch you.
That's right.
You don't know how many other bad life choices you've made, but you've made at least one.
Yeah, yeah.
But, you know, the other aspect of this is just, so he weaves us into, you know, this incredible moment.
He came across this book, Mark, and it blew his cotton socks off, right?
And then he got on the phone with his good friend, his best friend, his, you know, confidant in life, Tony Robbins, and said, you know, got to read this.
And Tony Robbins took a while, but, you know, when he read it, he called up and was like, what the hell is this?
What is this?
This is this is incredible.
And what that actually, I think, is, is like a retelling of a thing which is probably true, which is that Dean came across his spotlights book and was like, oh, McConaughey is a kind of self-help guy.
This could be something.
Big opportunity.
Yes, opportunity.
Maybe the serial entrepreneur who's worked on dozens of self-help companies.
Maybe he smelled an opportunity.
I don't know.
Yeah.
And then he contacted Tony Robbins and said, you know, why don't we get, you know, this McConaughey guy at our events?
Do you think we could?
And Tony Robinson says, yes, they contact McConaughey.
He comes and gives some talks at their events and it's very well received, big audiences.
There's a market for this.
Maybe we can do something more to color.
So like what he's describing is just basically like dollar signs appearing in his eyes.
It's quite a cute, I think, that he like his reframing of it is, it barely conceals the reality at all.
Yeah.
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We all come from different, maybe different religions, different politics, but there's one thing we all have in common.
We all know we were meant for more.
More love, more joy, more abundance, more happiness, more freedom, more income, more impact on the world.
So who can admit we are meant for more?
And that unites us today, right?
And the other thing is we have this opportunity to look into a better future for ourselves.
And the reason I believe McConaughey is so good, the guy's been journaling for over 30 years.
So when you journal, you get to see patterns.
This pattern helps me be successful.
This pattern helps me go in a different direction, right?
And he loves to say, you know, I'm not making A's and straight A's and everything.
But think about this.
I got to see behind the scenes, behind the curtain, an amazing relationship with his wife.
And it's unbelievable.
I got to see behind the curtain of the father that he is, the work he does.
He is a hustler.
The work he put in to make this event live is unbelievable.
That bongo in the background, I believe, is McConaughey.
I can't hope you can see him at this one.
Because he's using the bongo with all our parts.
So like, I don't think they have a bongo soundtrack.
I think that's him.
I'm pretty sure that's him.
Yeah.
That's him just drumming up.
So yes, McConaughey, another great husband, another great father.
They have that in common.
That's nice.
Yeah, it's good that they can like, you know, you get clears, you pass it on.
You clear as the next person.
And I just love the way it's like, look, let me tell you.
Can I admit something?
I got to see behind the scenes.
I'm going to tell you something behind the curtain.
This guy is a great husband.
He's a great robot.
and also that bit at the start where just more of what we were talking about.
Like, you know, who here, Matt, can we all admit that we want more?
Like, we, we want more.
And I like that he was like, more freedom, more happy, more, more, but more income.
More income.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you do.
I think that is true.
And yeah, it's, it's that seeker mentality that he's talking to here.
It's like, don't you want more?
Don't you think you deserve more?
Don't we all agree that we can do better?
We can be better.
That's the mentality of the self-help movement of what it preys on.
And yeah, yeah.
So he's got them yield.
Yeah, indeed, indeed.
Yeah, so this is this is just a perfect encapsulation.
Distilled self-help.
You want more.
Life isn't perfect.
Things have been tough.
You may be not the best husband.
Maybe not the best father.
Maybe not the best lover that you could be.
Maybe you're not.
You feel like you could be more successful.
You could do more.
You could certainly use more money, right?
It casts a broad net.
You could lose some weird.
You could do it.
You could drink less sweet coffee.
Anyone could, but that's right.
But you're struggling, right?
It's hard.
You've got high expectations for yourself.
Society demands a lot from you.
You know, you live in the land of the free.
This is the society where anyone can do anything, where you can make anything of yourself.
Well, don't be too specific, though, but as he says, you know, we all come from different locations.
This is the view from nowhere.
It does sound like it's a very American self-actualization spiel, but he's careful to say, no, this is universal.
This is we are all seeking Matt.
And those little bongos in the background led to McConaughey.
He pops out, right?
And he's asked about, you know, what brings you here?
Why are you here?
We've already heard that, but like, nonetheless, let's hear it from his point of view.
You know, after publishing Green Lights, I was bombarded with the request to go deeper into the approach and reveal some process.
And that, serendipitously, is when Tony and Dean called saying, hey, hey, McConaughey, hey, we love your book.
We want to go deeper and get even more practical with it.
I said, yes.
And here we are.
After eight months of creating this project, this one live, right here, right now with you.
We have all intentions today of supplying what you demand.
Dean and Tony, your ability and desire to influence so many people in such unanimously positive ways is truly inspiring.
And the fact that you're out to do more than just inspire, you know, you're actually here to transform.
Amen to that.
And thank you for giving me that call.
So thank you, Dean.
Thank you, Tony.
Awesome Marie, Trent, Carissa, and so many other talented folks behind the scenes, all right, for choosing to make the time and do such specific and high-end work that we finally get to share with you today.
Thank you.
I'm getting the message.
Everyone involved in this project is just fucking amazing, Chris.
They're just fucking, I mean, wow.
And look, this is coming from a man who's been journaling for 20 years.
He knows what he's talking about.
30 years.
He knows what he's talking about.
With that level of journaling, you know.
My mom has kept the diary since she's 18. God knows what insights she could provide to the world.
They should get her on.
Should be.
I know.
She's got much more years of McConaughey journaling.
She could teach McConaughey a thing or two, probably.
Yeah, so that, again, it's just the reverse of like, I was bombarded with these requests to go deeper, go deeper.
I wonder, that's one way for it.
But you guys, you know, you were the real deal.
You wanted to transform people's lives.
And thank you for that call.
Thanks for the call.
Well, that's the thing.
That's the thing.
I mean, my concern at the beginning of this was maybe McConnell Hay would just be one of these people, but it's just seeking to inspire.
But he's much more than that.
He's also looking to transform.
And I think it's the follow through with the transformation after the inspiration that makes it such a valuable process.
So yeah, more very broad generalities.
We haven't been very specific yet.
What we know so far is that everyone involved is amazing.
Yeah.
They're good fathers, good husbands, probably good lovers.
And there's something very special going on.
They've got something big in store.
The buildup continues.
We don't know what it is.
Yeah, it's coming.
It's coming.
So the other hosts have been praised.
And I do like Neimat this image every time I'm listening to this clips of just imagining the guy with his finger for the button.
Like, do I push the applause?
You don't like Dean and Carissa.
And yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the crowd going crazy, right?
Yeah, thank them.
Dean and Marissa.
They love Dean and Marissa.
They haven't seen them yet.
They don't know who they are, but they just, I think it's great.
They're going crazy.
But it's not just these big celebrity hosts, the self-help superstars, Matt.
That's not the only people Matthew McConaughey wants to thank.
All right, now, here's the big.
Thank you.
All of you.
Over 2 million of you?
You had a choice.
You ain't got to be here.
If you're doing whatever you do every other Monday or any other time, but you're not.
You're here.
You made the time.
You chose to take the risk.
And you showed up.
Thank you.
Seriously, thank you for not being lazy with yourself.
Thank you for being humble.
Thank you for being curious.
Thank you for being willing to learn.
Thank you for being so generous with yourself, for being honest and brave enough to interrogate and investigate yourself.
Because we all know it's a whole hell of a lot easier not to.
Thank you also for not being afraid of change and admitting that you want and you need more.
Thanks for being courageous enough to find out what the heck your more is and take the journey to get it.
Basically, I'm saying thank you for investing in yourself.
Thank you.
I'm just imagining lying in bed next to my Conahead and hearing him talk to me like that.
Thank you for being there.
There's a lot of fags.
Well, look, we'd already established that everyone involved in this project, top tier.
Really, just top tier people.
And it's more than that, though.
Everyone who showed up.
The 2 million.
2 million?
That's a big Zoom call, Chris.
I didn't know they could get that big.
But yeah.
2 million.
All across platforms.
Now, it still seems large, but who knows?
Maybe, maybe it is.
But yeah.
And, you know, we talk about power social manipulation and whatnot, but what we're talking about actually seems relatively amateur when you're like this.
This, you know, explicit.
And I just like that delivery, Matt, as well, you know.
Like, thank you.
You know, Matt, thank, just thank you.
For a minute, no, I'm serious, Matt.
Thank you.
Like, me?
Me?
You're thanking me.
Yeah, I mean, you, you, you out there.
So it's, it's.
Yeah, so I mean, look, you're speaking to another big aspect of the discourse and this kind of thing.
It's not just the sort of Barnum type statements, the generalities that everyone can identify with.
It's the glazing.
We're all an amazing group here together.
We're all fantastic.
And yeah, you know, that sort of flattery, I suppose, you know, like we're special.
We're special people.
We're all in here together.
Yeah.
You know, when 2 million people, there should be a few lazy fuckers who aren't very nice.
We don't talk about them.
We don't talk about them.
Well, okay, so let's go on.
So, Matt, you know, you were worried about the generalities and you wanted to get down to specifics.
So, well, let's get to some, you know, very specific, concrete things about what we're going to address and what kind of things people are interested in.
We're all trying to figure out the riddle.
You know, put some rhyme to the reason and answer the bigger existential question of what the hell are we doing here in this life that we're living.
In this life that sometimes we feel like we're not living at all.
And I get it.
I get it, man.
We live in such uncertain times.
We are constantly searching for answers.
Constantly searching for our sanity even.
We're just looking for some solid ground to step on.
And it's damn hard to find.
We're not quite sure how to move forward, much less where we'd be going when we do.
Yes, the future.
It's foggy.
And it seems like on this highway called life, everybody's got their hazard lights on.
We're asking the question.
Is this all there is?
Is this just how it's got to be?
We don't know who to trust.
We don't know what to believe in.
So what do we do?
We find ourselves chasing every single fad that the world tells us we should chase.
And none of them seem to get us where we want to go.
Now, Chris, correct me if I'm wrong, but at this point, it seems worth mentioning that Matthew McConaughey is reading from a teleprompter as he delivers this.
Correct.
There is some parts in the video where there's, you know, a camera angle and you get the glimpse that there is a teleprompter script that he's working from.
So I'm sure there's some parts where he riffs.
As we'll see, there's audience interaction, unscripted, audience interaction, but you could tell the difference.
So this is essentially a monologue delivered by a Hollywood actor.
And I have to say, I find Matthew Bukonahey in his actual acting much better than this.
Like this is not true detective level delivery.
I think it falls into the category of overacting, right?
And like this is the other key aspect, which is, you know, the authenticity, the transmission of authenticity.
So you could see why these other self-help entrepreneurs were attracted to the idea of snagging McConaughey, right?
Because it's all about that.
Like they are desperate to project the message that this is not just a marketing pitch.
This is not some like we care about you and this is authentic.
You know, everything we're saying is straight from the heart.
You know, the references to husbands and the personal anecdotes and the, oh, I've just got to peek behind the curtain.
I've got to share with you something actually intimate.
And the intimate thing is they're actually even more amazing than you.
Thank God.
Oh, shit.
You're going to say he's a dick.
Yeah.
So we talk about red flags and to people who might be thinking, well, you know, this is all just, you know, this is all just public spiel or whatever.
I mean, just keep in mind that they are acting here.
This is not real, right?
They are pretending to be.
Like when you're trying that hard to inculcate a sense of intimacy, then I think your packles should be raised.
The overacted accusation is find it because like you can't see it in the audio, but you know, the bits where he's like, you step on the ground, like he looks down at his feet and, you know, you'll hear, you're going in circles and he's like drawing a circle with his finger.
It's like me doing the drama.
And he's a much better actor, right?
So it is like an evil Version of his character in True Detective.
It's the opposite, though.
Opposite.
Well, it's got the same crazy wisdom touch.
Oh, sure, but like the whole thing with the True Detective character is like he's cynical and he, you know, like he's a nihilist, right?
And he doesn't believe in any of the goodness in the world anymore.
See, I like that.
Yeah, I like that too.
Where's that guy?
I want to hear his self-help talk.
Pam is a flat circle, man.
We're all doomed to die.
We're just ants under the microscope.
Yeah, we'll get that guy back.
But okay, so we're all seekers.
We've established that.
What do we need to do?
No!
They just have us going in circles.
Revolving.
Getting dizzy instead of evolving.
And you know what the I'm sorry and congratulations at the same time fact of our situation is no one's come to save us.
That's the first thing we got to admit.
No, that genie in a bottle is still just a genie.
That lottery ticket probably ain't going to hit the jackpot.
And those goals and dreams that we have ain't going to reach themselves on their own.
And that's why right now is the time to adapt, to evolve, to take inventory.
That's why right now is the time to renegotiate who we are, how we treat each other.
That's why right now is the time to re-engineer how we can get to where we want and need to go.
That's why right now is the time to restore what's worth keeping from our past and what's worth taking into our future.
It is time to not just find solid ground.
It's time to admit that the solid ground that we seek is also higher ground.
A place where we can truly have more value, choice, balance, joy, love, health, security, freedom, divinity.
Where we can get more out of our life, our relationships, our careers, ourselves.
Wow.
Now, to play devil's advocate here, Chris, if we put aside the deepities about we need to be evolving, not revolving.
And the higher ground is also the something ground.
I don't know.
Solid ground.
Yeah, the solid ground is the higher ground.
Lovely.
The counter-argument is this.
Yes, these are largely platitudes, devoid of any information content whatsoever.
Flowery language.
But maybe there are people out there.
Not you and me, Chris.
We're fine, just as we are.
We don't need to change.
But maybe people, you know, need to get this kind of pep talk in order to help them solve whatever issues they have going on in their life.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I think that's undermined by what's going to come as the solution being offered here to that problem.
But you are correct that like for some people, this will resonate.
And I do think that in general, the thing that resonates, including with Osma, is like, you know, the general thing of like, you're not perfect where you are.
You can improve.
Like, there's always things that you can strive for and do better.
Like, that's, that's the human condition, right?
The hedonistic treadmill as well.
Right.
So like what he's saying, that piece that, but it the bit about the kind of delivery here, because there has to, you know, when you think about the auto-cue, there has to have been a bit like chuckle, brackets, chuckle, pause for chuckle or whatever, you know, and he delivers some of that.
And that's like emotionally manipulative.
You know, no one's coming to save us.
What about you guys?
You guys are here.
Are you going to offer something that might be presented as saving?
Maybe they're giving them the tools.
They're giving them the tools for them to help themselves.
Yeah.
What's going on here?
Man, the fish.
He can feed himself for a life.
Yeah, so we'll get that.
So I do agree.
It's not like nobody could get anything beneficial from listening to somebody give a talk about the need to take a hard look at themselves or be kind to themselves or whatever the case might be.
But it's just where we'll see this goes, Matt, that I think makes it manipulative.
So let's continue down that road.
I could comment more, but there's a lot of self-help to get through.
That's right.
That's right.
More is coming, actually, for all of us in the art of living.
It's a rhythm of consistently asking ourselves the right questions.
Questions that, if we continue to ask ourselves with complete honesty, will reliably get us closer to what we want and need and inform us as to how to get where we truly want and need to go.
Questions that will allow us to adapt, evolve, and chart a course on life's highway that does lead us to the ultimate destination.
A life we love.
A life that we are honored to be living.
A past that we're proud of.
And a future that we look forward to.
That, my friends, is what we're going to do today.
No, we are not going to find all the answers.
But to get started, we are going to start asking the right questions.
Amen?
Now, our goal is to expose the gap between the man or the woman that you want To be and the man or the woman that you are, and then show you the way to close that gap through simple actions, choice-making paradigms, and daily habits that you can align with your compass so you can feed your appetite.
Follow the science, you will find the art.
Wow.
A lot to cheer on.
A lot to take in.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, so the destination is clear.
You want to be living a life that you love.
You want to have a past that you can be proud of and a future that you can look forward to.
So that sounds pretty good.
Yeah, I know.
You're after the ultimate, the bliss, bliss, a state of bliss.
And how do you get there?
You got to ask yourself questions.
Well, I thought it was journaling.
Journaling is important too, I think.
You ask yourself questions to stimulate yourself to journal, you know?
Like, what is that journal?
You answer them to journal.
Christian, answer.
How do I journal?
Well, okay.
And what else do you do?
Well, it's a science.
What was the thing you said at the end?
So it's more than asking questions in terms of getting to this ultimate.
It's not just asking questions, right?
It's not just asking questions.
Yeah, it's more than that.
Questions allow us to adapt, evolve, chart a course on life's highway.
No, we're not going to find all the answers, but to get started, we're going to ask the right questions.
Okay.
He wants to expose the gap between the man and woman that you are, the man and woman that you want to be, and then show you how to close that gap through simple actions, choice-making paradigms and daily habits that you can align with your compass so you can feed your appetite, follow the science, you will find the art.
Nice, nice.
Okay.
So not much, actually.
Actually, not much there.
Like when you actually think about it, right?
It's the same thing as usual, isn't it?
You're not happy.
You're not happy with how you are at the moment.
You'd like things to be a lot better in every conceivable way.
You need to adapt, evolve, ask questions, explore, you know, stand on solid ground.
it's kind of platitudinal.
Matt, there's some...
I think you're taking this wrong Rule of the road here.
Need everyone to remember, this is an open conversation.
We are here to admit, not judge.
All right?
So while we have everyone gathered around the table, over 2 million of us, I must say.
Yes, 2 million of us united in our quest for more.
So know that you are not alone on this journey.
Together, we're going to start to peel back the layers.
All right?
We're going to start admitting the lies so to reveal the true you.
I'm telling you, watch what happens.
Watch what happens when you start doing that.
It's going to start to clear the lane between your head and your heart.
And that's going to start to revive your connection to the person you want, need, and are meant to be.
Watch it.
Yes.
Getting to the art of living starts with admitting.
Yes.
We want to be legit.
We're going to first admit.
Yes.
I just rhymed again, guilty.
I do that all the time.
Can't help myself.
All right, everybody ready?
Ready to clean house?
Ready to start admitting?
All right?
Muggle up!
Mmm.
Thank you.
Sounds very genuine.
You know, at the start we said maybe there can't, but I mean, Matt, that just sounds organic, doesn't it?
No.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what was he saying there?
I think I zoned out at some point.
You know, you want to be king of the road, master of your destiny, you know, close the gap between the potential and the possible and the now and the here and the then and the when.
Important point though, Matt.
We're not here to judge.
Okay.
Get that out of your system.
No, no, we are not.
But it's interesting how step one is to confess.
Yeah.
Yeah, don't judge.
No judgment.
Just confession.
I mean, you know, I think at the end, I want to give some cultural commentary here.
But don't you think, Chris, just by the by, that there are interesting connections here between the style and the content of the extravaganzas and preaching, both of which homegrown in the USA.
Yeah.
That's a coincidence.
But yeah, it's got that part of that, hey.
It does.
It does have the evangelical preacher vibe to it.
And I think that aspect of it, to start, Matt, you got to open yourself up to this.
It's a process, right?
But nobody here is going to judge you for what you do.
Christ doesn't judge you, Chris.
Christ doesn't judge you.
But step one is to open your heart to Jesus.
I mean, you could substitute a few words is all I'm saying.
Oh, yeah.
Well, I think we're going to get to that actually quite quickly.
So you mentioned, Matt, that like, you know, step one, no judgment, kind of the Omega rule, right?
But yes, Arnthe in here.
That's what we're up to.
But you do need to, you know, name what you're up to.
Got that.
First thing we're going to do, name, claim, and declare.
Yes, it is time for you to admit why you are here.
I know.
Already that arrogant self-judgment is probably starting to sneak in on some of you.
But hey, kick it out.
Again, this is a free speech zone and there is no gavel in this court today.
Speak, think, and write freely.
Raise your hand and say, yes, I. Because today we are both guilty and approved at the same time.
Name it, claim it, and declare it.
Write it down.
Put it in the chat.
Why are you here?
Yeah, this name it and claim it.
Name it and claim it.
That sounds submitted to Prosperity Gospel there, Chris.
yeah.
Yes, it is time for you to confess.
Yes, it is.
You got to confess.
Yeah, so, you know, that's prosperity gospel.
You can name what you want through positive confession, unwavering faith, you know, and then you'll get everything that you want, which is kind of the theme of this.
Redemption, Matt.
Redemption.
And get sweet stuff.
I mean, you get redemption and the sweet stuff.
I mean, it's hard to resist.
Yeah.
Well, okay.
So let's continue on this theme about confession because you know my if you're going to ask people to tell you their deepest darkest feelings and faults you need to start right you got to demonstrate before you I can't do it I need to try to figure something up rhymes but um in any case you need to go first me why am I here I'm here because I admit that I'm still not living up to the man that I want me
to be I admit that I know that I'm not yet the person that I got the capacity to be I admit that sometimes I don't believe in myself enough and I admit that I still have a whole lot more to learn and that I need more courage to be more honest with myself the the pork have
have made an appearance have entered the chat um all right i think they're good i think they help underline the significance of his what he's saying there they certainly pad out the content as we'll see but the other thing i meant to say and it you know it doesn't matter which clip because it's eternally relevant is that this notion of like the true you matt the you that you're supposed to be and like building towards it we come across it like so much in self-help but but also in the guru sphere they
they touch on this a lot but here it's taken as a given within me chris deep within me there's a thin person trying to get out and he's covered by layers of fat he's just crying what a quote absolutely fabulous the answer to that is just one dear yeah so um matthew mcconaughey anyway he was getting his confessions out there you know he's getting the ball rolling now he's going to ask people but um it does take him a little while to get around to this so
listen to this can you admit maybe something that you've been lying to yourself about can you admit where maybe you're coming up short can you admit where maybe you need to improve your your your aim can you admit what
maybe you need to double down on in your life to have more can you admit to what maybe you need less of less of in your life to have more what less um that doesn't sound right okay so just to circle back confession confession right it's a thing as you know chris in christian circles in
traditional circles you know you're you know i'm a catholic you're a catholic and you would know that your kind of confession just riddled with guilt and self-loathing yep that it is um is different from this kind of positive name and clean it prosperity gospel type thing and this self-help version of it which is interesting because they talk about confession as being like like confessing confessing that you love god or
just that confessing that you have a right to be happy or yeah you know what i mean that's not what you normally do if i said to catholic priests like i confess that i have the right to be you know the the me that i need to be i need to be happy and i deserve that they'd be like what are you talking about that stuff when you confess here so so it's got that vibe of of one of those like a job interview where they ask you to to to to name your biggest flaws you know you go i just i care too much i work
too hard i'm a perfectionist um this is the kind of um confessions we're talking about well you know on the partner statement front as well so barnum state statements are these things in psychology where you you make statements which sound specific but they're they're generic and they also are things that everybody can assent to but but they sound like they're personalized things like you know you're a bit of an introvert but sometimes you like to be around other people and like most people see themselves that right so
here he's not saying specifically but he's like do you have things that you need to double down on but do you have things that you need to do less of like you could confess anything right it's like it was like me too me too preach there's things that i want to achieve but i can't be asked do you does that resonate with you chris yeah yeah so the reason he's doing this is because he wants to part of the thing like we said this is not a one-way lecture matt this is an
interactive you know unique experience in self-development technology so now you're going to get the chat coming in right so he's going to be reading answers now that he's kind of generated the mood in the seekers in the audience to give their answer to the the prompt i can't remember what exactly it is i think you'll get the flow of it so this is the chat testimonials coming in thank you for the chats everybody keep them coming in yes i
want a better life i want to find out exposed the gap want to be a better husband keep coming up short of a self-sabotager i'm lonely i want to find some happiness with myself i need less self-judgment want to keep stepping want to keep growing want to
be a better mom.
I don't believe what I know.
I want passion and purpose.
I want to love myself.
I want to escape the corporate rat race.
I need some more forgiveness.
I need some more resilience.
That's great.
That's great.
What was your favorite confession?
I think mine was, I want to believe what I know.
That's really good.
I've got one that I like.
It's actually the next episode.
I'll just play it.
Because this goes on.
I wanted to highlight how long it goes.
My favorite is the next one.
I want to ride Space Mountain every day.
Get a ticket on your UFO.
I want to be more creative.
I want to feel grounded.
I want to honor God.
Amen.
I want to play that drumming guy.
I want to be a ghost rider.
Just want some happiness.
I want to leave.
I want to honor myself.
I want to recognize happiness when it's right in front of me because right now I don't feel like I see it when it is.
Yeah, so I like the Spears Market one.
I like the Spears Med web though, too.
I think I could steal some of those.
I like them.
I've got a confession to make to you, Chris.
Okay.
I don't feel like I honor myself enough.
I think that's true.
You don't.
I'm often telling people, I see his spirit, and he does not honor me.
Yes, yes, yes.
I'd like to remind people that I'm a full professor and tell them about my H-index.
But is it enough, Chris?
Could I be doing it more?
Well, that's right.
That's right.
But are you judging yourself?
Because this is a judgment-free zone, I believe.
That was one of the grinders.
I am judging myself, you know, because.
So don't be doing that.
Or do be doing that.
It's mixed.
I'm getting mixed messages.
Speaking of which.
Hello.
I'm all for the notion that, hey, if you ain't impressed with your reality, then create a reality that you're impressed with.
Yay.
I'm all for having dreams and the spirit of shooting for the stars.
But not at the exclusion of missing out on the reality of the day.
How about you?
Are you still looking for a perfect mate or a partner that you think is going to fix all your problems?
But you hadn't really done the work to fix your own.
Illusion.
Yeah, yeah.
So like I said, mixed messages.
On the one hand, you know, you got to work on yourself.
You got to realize you're the problem.
Stop looking for something out there.
On the other hand, maybe you need to change things.
You need to like take that first step.
You got to, you know, do the, do the thing and make the change.
And yeah.
Well, well, yeah, no, Chris, I mean, you know, the fact that it's platitudes, putting that aside, I'm going to go into bat because that's, that's actually perfectly fine advice, though it might be unfortunate cookie type advice, which is, you know, it's a cliche because it's true.
You know, the cliche, you know, give me the strength to, I don't know, accept things I can't change and change things that I can't.
I don't know.
It's worse than that.
I mean, it is trivial, but it is kind of true, right?
You should try to change things that are bad, but at some point, you should also, you know, not try to be like a weird perfectionist and some things you just need to accept.
Okay, you're done with that.
Like, I accept that you're bad at scheduling.
I've tried to change you.
Didn't work.
And I've moved on to acceptance.
And I think this is a mature course of action.
Are you sure, Matt, you're not out there looking for to blame someone in the world for your problems?
Well, I'm looking at it.
I'm very clear about this.
You're not allowed to do that, Matt.
That's clear.
So retract that.
But okay, I take your point.
But I mean, yes, I agree.
You know, give me the wisdom to accept the things that I cannot change and, you know, try to change the ones I can and recognize the difference between them.
Sure.
Yeah.
That's all fine.
But maybe this clip, Matt, will help you understand.
I know you've missed it.
My issue about the kind of mixed messages that people are receiving.
You want a best-selling book, but you hadn't even written the first word yet.
Illusion.
You want to solve world hunger, but you haven't fed one person yet.
Illusion.
You want the million-dollar business, but you won't quit the nine-to-five job that you hate to make it happen.
Illusion.
Or you want the million-dollar business, but won't take that nine-to-five job that you need as the first step to get there.
Also, illusion.
So let's admit it.
Let's admit where we maybe don't have appropriate expectations on a day-to-day basis of the world and of ourselves.
Let's admit that maybe we're missing out on the truths, the beauties, and the tools of the day that are right in front of us.
And let's admit that those very truths, beauties, and tools, those are what we're going to need to build that rocket ship to get us to those stars that we're shooting for.
The ones we're trying to reach.
That is not an illusion.
That is reality.
So should you tick the nine to five or should you wear the...
Each person to themselves, right?
But like, my issue is like kind of from that advice, you could both receive that you must give up on the job and take the risk in order to start the million dollar business.
Or perhaps that you need the nine to five job in order to give you the foundation to start the million dollar business.
You know, choose as you see fit.
So you could absolutely read it either way.
I mean, I guess this speaks to a fundamental problem with self-help generally, right?
Which is that it is, like our gurus, like an all-encompassing kind of fundamental truth that, that, that, you know, addresses the needs and problems of all people, right?
This is the secret, you know, that that will apply to everyone in this one book or this one presentation.
So it, by needs, must be incredibly vague.
And so they're not going to put their cards on the table and they're not going to say, you should quit the job or no, no, you should stay in the job because, you know, they can't, right?
Who knows, right?
Nobody, right?
It's a very specific situation.
And I think this is what distinguishes gurus-esque bullshit self-help from certain kinds of self-help that may well be useful.
Look, I've read very little self-help in my life because, as you know, Chris, I'm perfect as I am.
You're self-actualized.
Yes.
I am.
You're at the top of the hierarchy of Maslow.
That's right.
I mean, I could improve myself.
Don't get me wrong, but I feel like that would just be showing off at this point.
So I figured just leave it there.
But, you know, one that was recommended to me was called Getting Things Done.
It's like a productivity self-organization thing.
DTG.
And look, we are DTG.
We're DTG.
That's GTD.
Yeah, confusing.
Now, you know, whatever.
It's fine.
There's probably a dozen other books that are better.
Who knows, right?
But it gives concrete things that actually do apply to people that are dealing with, you know, task items and sitting in front of a desk trying to get things done.
Yeah.
So I guess what my point for you, Chris, is that isn't it baked in?
Like, doesn't this sort of have to be just pure Pablom?
Like, there's no way for it not to be.
Well, I think the getting things done system is actually a good counterpoint because in that one, there is like a specific system and you can take issues, you know, it's kind of like an optimizing protocol kind of thing, right?
There's lots of alternative ones, but there, there is a system, right?
Of like, here's categories, here's how you did with your inbox.
And, you know, you can, you can watch like a 20 minute video on that system if you want and you'll get the basic idea, right?
So in a way, it is the same because they've expanded that out into courses that will take thousands of hours to go through, right, to help you with your procrastination.
But I think that what we're lacking so far here is the, you know, the kind of practical steps.
So far, we're just being told like anything could be the right thing to do.
But the general thing is like the situation you're in now, it's not satisfactory and you want to be somewhere else, right?
Yeah, that's right.
But that's not very helpful, is it?
To stick to those generalities.
You know, cast a very broad net.
So anyone who is in any way, shape or form dissatisfied with any aspect of their life or wants to achieve anything at all is part of the marketplace.
And what they're giving you so far, look, maybe the hammer will drop and we'll get some concrete, actionable things.
But so far, we've got journaling, asking yourself questions, confessing.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know if that's good.
Well, you know, you also mentioned, Matt, that like the goal here is they've got to cast a wide net, right?
Because they want to speak to people in lots of different situations.
And they kind of flagged that up at the start, you know, saying there's got to be advice which applies to some people, not to others.
But one thing that's interesting is like they don't want to alienate people around politics, for example.
So this is a generic section on politics, which I find quite interesting because it's distinctly, it's like saying things, but without saying anything.
So listen to this.
Speaking of politics, can we just admit how often we say to ourselves, I don't need to be self-reliant and make up my own mind if the people I agree with are in power.
Because hey, they're going to take care of me and my kind.
Well, what happens when we do that?
We run to our echo chambers.
We huddle up.
We get tribal.
We start saying, me and my tribe, we don't really know what we're about or what we're for.
We just know that we're against whatever they're for.
Come on.
It's not identity.
There's no vision or way forward in that thinking.
That's just some passive aggressive counterpunch default bullshit.
Guilty.
I know.
I said no judging.
My bogey.
Couldn't help myself.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Ah!
Ah!
So, you know, the tribal, the left and the right, the politicking, it's all bad, this tribalistic thing.
But I just like the fact that it's, you know, it's so generic.
You're just speaking like the whatever politics the person belongs to and deliberately so, right?
Like it's this is supposed to just be that anybody, any political stripe like kind of agrees with it.
Yeah.
Well, look, look, look, I understand it's framed to appeal to anyone, any American of any political persuasion, which is very understandable, right?
This is a generic self-help thing, right?
They're not looking to just cut the addressable market in half.
I don't dig him for that.
That just makes perfect sense.
No, but I like that you have to mention it because politics is a thing, but the way to address it, like you say, without alienating is to just be like, you know, and tribalism, we don't like that.
And those, you know, the politicians, the people that are giving them the power and saying, I don't need to do anything, like, that's not right, right?
That's not right.
And everybody can be like, yeah, yeah, that's right.
You know, we're, We're all individuals, so I just thought it was pretty nice marketing for everyone to not along to.
So cynical, so cynical.
So cynical.
Well, I think, but you know, cut away the clichés and everything you said is true, but it's not a bad opinion to say don't place your identity with some political partisan group in an us versus them kind of manner.
You know, I think that's not bad advice.
It may be attitude, but.
No, no, no, no.
I don't mind that.
I mind that what they're going to suggest in a while to replace that particular identity with.
So they are saying, like, don't, you know, have tribal, don't get too attached to those identities.
What will they suggest that we should get attached to and like sign on?
Let's let's find out.
But before that, Matt, just a little bit more suitable profound bullshit.
Oh, I love this one.
Our greatest strengths can also be our greatest weaknesses.
This one just came to me like six months ago.
I don't know why it took 52 and a half years to figure it out.
But sure.
You ever notice how your greatest assets and strengths can also be your greatest Achilles heel?
Is that?
Are you going to argue in defense of that?
I mean, it's true.
I'm trying to figure out whether it's true or not.
I don't know.
Well, he's his example is like, you know, he is a workaholic perfectionist and that is like strength, but it's, it comes with cosmet.
It's like with me, like I care so much, but else I care too much in many ways, which, you know, takes a toll.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like, it's like saying things like, we always hurt the ones we love, that kind of thing.
You know, there are so many.
You've been so cynical.
Yeah, I think we're both saying the same thing.
There's a huge galaxy of aphorisms and platitudes.
And you can string them all together in an event if you wish.
And they're not necessarily wrong, but they're still platitudes.
That's right.
Well, so that was talking about your greatest weaknesses can be your greatest strengths.
That's McConaughey shares his.
Then back to the testimonials.
Put in the chat.
Admit it.
Procrastination.
Overthinking.
I like to think a lot.
Oh, I'm too organized.
Too proud.
My honor turns to pride.
Oh, I'd like to take my time, but I can sometimes get lazy.
My patience, sometimes I'll wait around too long for things to happen.
Oh, I love pleasing people.
Sometimes I please them at the expense of pleasing myself.
I think we can all identify with those, Chris.
I like this kind of like a celebrity reading out people's chat messages and like adding, you know, emphasis while background music plays.
It's, I mean, obviously it is a thing designed for this like self-help course, but as content, I'm kind of enjoying this, you know, just riffing on what they're saying.
Yeah, yeah, that's a good one.
That's a good one.
And, you know, he's got like a rolling list of chats.
We can just pick the ones that he wants.
So let's listen to a bit more of that, like, because it's pretty curious.
Yeah, I'm enjoying it.
Lies you've been telling that maybe you've been looking to slip into some bigger lies.
Ones that you might be telling others or ones that you might be telling yourself.
Didn't see that coming.
Guilty.
Admit it.
What do we got over here, chat?
That I'm fine.
That lies are okay.
That I'm not depressed.
That I can afford this.
That I'm not good enough.
that i'm disciplined but i'm not That the keto and dark chocolate are good for me.
That my dreams will be given to me.
That I don't miss my home.
That I'm not an addict.
Okay, thank you.
Keep them coming.
I forgot it got a bit heavier at that bit.
But, you know, this is actually a good example because the one thing I will say here is like, you know, this is people typing in things and there's some self-helpy stuff.
But there's also quite clear, there's people here that are genuinely, you know, suffering.
There are addicts.
There are people that are feeling dissatisfied with their life in various different ways.
And this makes me aware, like these kind of segments that a lot of people here are quite vulnerable.
You know, like they're people that are looking for some solution.
I think they're looking at the wrong players.
But yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I'd actually forgotten about that because it is easy to slip into the mindset where it's, you know, there'd be some portion of the audience who are basically self-indulgent and, you know, seeker type people who enjoy this kind of thing, basically, and enjoy a bit of self-analysis and, you know, like the inspirational feeling and stuff.
You know, the kind of people that are always starting diets and giving up on them.
But then again, there are people, you know, more often than not, like the people who are here are people more likely to be someone that's actually genuinely got a problem that they need to sort out and they can't, like being an addict.
Or, you know, whatever, they're alienated from their family and they haven't seen their kids or whatever for years and they're struggling to deal with it.
So I guess when you're in a place like that, you're going to be looking around for something or someone that's going to kind of, well, how do I touch the screenwriters bongos?
You see that he's the one that's going to help.
So just don't let me lose the thread, Chris, because I'm just trying to remember.
So we're at the confession stage, right?
And but mainly people are confessing, you know, like it's kind of these double-edged confessions.
Same as in evangelical Christianity or any Christianity, where everyone's guilty, right?
Like you cannot be a Catholic.
Everybody is a sinner.
Everyone is a sinner.
And likewise with this kind of self-helpy thing, everyone is a sinner too, right?
Like you either don't try hard enough or you try too hard.
You're too impatient for things to happen quickly or you wait around too long when things don't happen, you know, and you don't take action when things happen.
Like most of the stuff he read out there was, you know, you could be wrong both ways.
So we're all sinners.
We're acknowledging where we're going wrong and how we're not right.
Is that where we still are?
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, we're already into the part where he's going to start, you know, like giving lessons, right?
These are kind of like segments where he goes through a lesson, then sometimes he interacts with the chat and then he goes to the next lesson, right?
So this lesson is around acknowledging, you know, not lying to yourself, right?
Telling it like it is.
And you spoke, Matt, about that tendency where people, you know, like my biggest weakness is that I try too hard.
And Matthew McCarthy does engage in that when he's trying to, you know, say, look, you guys, you're telling these lies.
I'm just doing, you know, the same kind of thing.
So listen to this.
Let's admit that our confidence is fickle.
Take me, for example.
And I need achievement, confidence, a sense of significance.
I don't achieve.
And I start to feel very insignificant.
I feel less confident.
Seriously.
That's my wife.
I go 48 hours without achieving something.
I start to feel unworthy.
I forget to remind myself, like, hey, Bakame, what about the last 53 years of your life?
Look around.
Look back.
You want to give yourself some credit for that?
And I forget to.
As much as we say we enjoy the process, so often we panic if we don't have constant achievement.
Right.
So now this is more in the kind of accept yourself for who you are type vibe.
And I'm just puzzled by two things.
Like Matthew McConaughey, he achieves something every 48 hours.
I wonder what it is.
Mowing the lawn.
It's much more profound than that.
He writes his journal.
He writes in his journal.
That's an achievement, I suppose.
Yeah.
Because he doesn't make a movie every 48 hours, right?
No, he does not.
But that's the interesting thing is that claim is like, one, I achieve constantly.
I'm like achieving every $40.
And when I don't, if I don't, just briefly, then it's like.
And then the second point is, and like, I don't appreciate, you know, given how much I've actually done and how successful I've been, like, I should acknowledge that.
I need to.
So his sin is that he's not acknowledging just how floody awesome he is.
And because the people around him on stage didn't have any problem.
They're glazing.
No, they got it.
They get it.
So it's funny that he's got this particular problem because he seems okay with it in a lot of different ways.
Well, actually, Matt, this leads to an interesting part where there's a story about a monk.
Okay.
So this is like a little bit of an extended monologue.
So there he was talking about that he doesn't give himself enough slack, basically.
And he went on to talk about he had all this success, you know, like he was working as an actor.
He wasn't having success.
Then suddenly he blew up and he didn't feel worthy.
This is on the topic of imposter syndrome.
And then he decides to go do something.
So I'll let him tell it.
I didn't feel like I had earned the sudden success, the attention, the affection, the overnight fame.
And I started to feel guilty about it.
Why me?
Geez, do I deserve this?
What's real?
What's not real?
So I did what in hindsight I now know was a very smart thing.
I got the hell out of Dodge.
I left Hollywood and I went to a monastery in New Mexico whose invitation was, if you can make the 13-mile hike down the washed out dirt road off Highway 11 to get here, pull the rope, ring the bell, and we'll find you a place to sleep.
So I had a friend drop me off on the side of that highway.
I made the 13-mile pilgrimage.
I pulled the rope, rang the bell, and a monk named Brother Aldre answered the door.
He welcomed me in.
He said, why do you come here, brother?
I said, brother, I got a lot of things on my mind, and I need to talk to somebody.
I need to confess.
He listened to me and then said, brother, I know just the right person for you to talk to.
His name is Brother Christian.
He'll meet you in the morning At sunrise.
That next morning, Brother Christian met me at sunrise.
He said, Do you want to go for a walk, brother?
So we did.
Okay, so there's the start of the story.
Okay, Matt?
I'm following it's like it's like in Batman where he goes Yeah.
So, yes, he's went out into the desert in New Mexico.
He's made a 13-mile pilgrimage and he's rang a bell in a monastery.
And the priestess let him in, the abbot and brother Al, and said, you need a place to save, brother?
What do you need?
And then he says, yeah, need someone to talk to.
So in the morning, he's going to meet with Brother Christian.
A good name for a monk, brother Christian.
So what happens when he meets Brother Christian?
Now, on this walk, I began to purge.
I confessed where and what I felt were sins of my mind, sins of my flesh, sins of my deeds.
Newfound indulgences that were making me feel gross.
Some of them make me feel like I just hadn't really earned them or deserved them.
Or maybe I didn't even want them.
I went on and on and on with my confession.
Brother Christian, patiently listening as he walked beside me, hands behind his back, never saying a word.
He never said one word.
Four and a half hours later, me purging, confessing, him not saying a word, we circled back to the chapel where we sat on a bench.
Me, I'm sitting there and tears are running down my face and I got snot running out of my nose and I'm sitting there coming out of this purge and I finally wrap up my four and a half hour confessional rap sheet.
Brother Christian has still not said one word, but now I'm finally done.
Heads down, I'm wiping tears from my eyes and I'm awaiting his judgment.
Here we go.
I've left it on the cliffhanger.
So there's Brother Christian.
They've went for a four and a half hour walk and he's just been partying, you know, confessing everything that's going on.
What do you think about this?
Crying so I mean it's very dramatic and I think it's really look it adds to the to the poignancy that the the monk isn't saying a word which have you ever spoken to someone for four and a half hours without that's a you know that's a point map because you know if you said look I I just let it all out I talked for you know half an hour and then I noticed he hadn't said anything but four and a half hours is longer than one of our podcasts like at some point you need to take a drink sit
down right have a week just sit there like have you finished and like no no I got more but he can't even say that right he's just so I wonder if there's something slightly hyperbolic in the retelling of this I wonder Matt call me a cynic right but um you know go on so all right well let's let's don't leave us on the clip the end okay so what happened you know so far the monk brother christian he said nothing and
he's there he's awaiting the judgment mat it's coming because that's what monks do that's what monks do they just judge they're all shaking their fingers at you and here it comes he says nothing 20 seconds go by he says nothing 30 seconds go by he says nothing a minute goes by it's silent nothing finally i looked up at him and
i see brother christian just staring at me we just held each other's gazes looked at each other's eyes for about 10 seconds and the clock was ticking in my mind like i was just waiting on his condemnation that's what he he leaned slightly towards me he whispered me too oh
thank you i laid out on the ground man tears all came back but this time they were tears of relief forgiveness joy see that those two words me too those two words brother christian didn't didn't didn't didn't didn't didn't didn't he let me know that i didn't have a singular self-centered independently original one and only one of a kind problem no i had a human condition with with those two
words brother christian invited me back to the human race and it took so much pressure off of me like i said i finally i was able to forgive myself wow what a story that was incredibly moving actually you know the funny thing is what i've seen there's blogs and things because he's told this story elsewhere uh he does it in his book as well and
there's a bunch of people that have responded saying the most powerful bit is the bit where he talks about so there actually are quite a lot of people that find this to be incredibly compelling yeah yeah now matt why don't you know i get i can see your dead cynicism i see through you know your mask so why are you not finding this as compelling as they do what's robbed it of the beauty for
you it's a good question so so many things so many things it's like it's hard to pick just one i mean one thing that makes it a little bit less compelling is that given what matthew mcconaughy has talked about so far the kinds of sins that he hates himself for is the sin of not accomplishing something every 48 hours or or not being all he could be or you know wanting to too ambitious or
something like that.
And I like, unless he was confessing something really terrible, like, why would he think the monk would go, you son of a bitch?
Well, I so I think in this case, he's implying that like he had all the debauchery of Hollywood and success and, you know, feeling in life and cheating on people and all.
So it's like, it's everything up to that moment.
It's not his like self-help tone confession.
That's why presumably, unless he was confessing for four hours about what a great guy that's like, I've just, I worked too hard, Father.
Well, I think it's conceivable that something like that happened, right?
Because he, you know, he seems like a guy that would be into, you know, he's from California, man.
He's Hollywood.
Of course, he goes on retreats and visits monks and has these sorts of soul-searching things.
He's the kind of guy who plays bongos in a rainforest, I'm sure, right?
So I think it's more the message.
Like the message is, first of all, you know, we've got to acknowledge our sins.
We're talking about sin.
We're using this religious stuff.
It's so important.
But the sins we're talking about are kind of, I mean, I hate to use this phrase, but they're kind of like neoliberal American dream type things, right?
Am I procrastinating too much?
Am I accomplishing all I could be?
That kind of thing.
Do I have the perfect home?
And, you know, are my kids?
All that stuff.
So that's fine.
But then it comes to the clincher there is that to even feel that those are sins, the revelation is that that in itself is a sin, right?
That's a selfish, self-aggrandizing thing, right?
It's an arrogant, you know, he said to, it's an arrogant thing to think that you're a special.
So you're the only of everybody.
Yeah, everyone is a human condition.
So actually, you're not a sinner at all, right?
Once you realize this.
But you're just a sinner like everyone else is the Christian version of that.
It's not that you're not a sinner at all.
I guess I'm thinking more the self-helpy, the self-help.
This is where it segues into self-helpiness, right?
It's very Christian inspired, right?
But it's all the positive vibes, right?
So it's not like Jesus doesn't forgive you in this cosmology, but you forgive yourself and you forgive yourself by accepting yourself for who you are and realizing that you're not a bad person.
I think the Christian version of it is that Jesus tells you to do that.
Is it?
Like Jesus tells you to forgive yourself because he give you, you know, he died for your sins and whatnot.
So like, the least you can do is forgive yourself.
Really?
But I thought with Catholicism, you needed God to forgive you.
Yeah, yeah, sure.
But I'm saying if you combine the self-help with the gaudy bit, that's how you could do that.
Where you're realizing.
Yeah, that could be a halfway house.
Yeah.
But the pure self-helpy thing, which is quite vibing there, was this thing.
And, you know, it is the story.
And it is why these things can be appealing, I think, for people, right?
Because it's a little journey you go on to make all of your insecurities and your little self, you know, little voice in your head, whatever, and just banishing those bad thoughts.
And who better to deliver that message than Matthew McConaughey?
Or a monk in the desert, you know, both via Matthew McConaughey.
But, you know, the thing for me is like, if I take that story of peace value, if I drop all my cynicism, what he said was like, he find a monastery in the middle of the desert, right?
Then they rang a bell and then he went for a walk with a monk for four hours.
He talked non-stop and the monk didn't say anything.
Then at the end, he's like, you know, he had a lot to confess, Chris.
He had a lot to confess.
A lot to confess.
He is having a lot of wild times there in Hollywood.
But the monk responded with two words, me too.
And then McConaughey lay on the ground, started crying, wiggling around.
Like, I feel sorry for the Hollywood celebrity has come.
He's so scared for Polly.
He's screaming on the ground, crying.
That is not a situation I would find myself in for so many, many reasons.
But you know, like you mentioned, so you said, you know, I think a version of this happened.
Now, being the kind of person I am, of course, I looked into what is this thing that he's talking about?
It does exist in fact.
What's it called?
Christ in the Desert, the monastery of Christ in the Desert.
It's a Benedictine monastery, right?
And you can indeed go there and they have visitors and they have retreats and this kind of thing.
It is at the end of a 13-mile path.
Now, McConaughey mentions something made at the pilgrimage there, but you can't just drive down the road.
Look at the directions.
They're very clear.
You can just drive up there.
Sometimes there's backpackers and what.
So like, don't be going.
So it's not exactly that it's a, you know, unknown monastery.
Indeed, lots of people go there.
And interesting, brother Christian appears to now be the abbot of the monastery.
It's abbot Christian.
I wonder if this is a free service that the Benedictine monks are providing to listen to someone who rocks up for four hours before imparting the wisdom.
Well, they have a gift shop and they have overnight stay options and whatnot.
So you can you can contribute to their cause.
And they do mention Matthew McConaughey a couple of times on their website.
Not very much, just in like the journals about like him being around.
So like, I, I do believe, right, that it's true that he did a version of this.
I just think it's been heavily dramatized in the retelling.
Like I suspect that he had a walk in the chat with a monk and the monk said, look, ma'am, you know, we all.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm sure he said so.
That's what I'd say, I think, if somebody was going on like that.
I don't think over four hours and I don't think it's as dramatic as he recalls.
But, you know, as you said, he's a seeker type.
So this, this kind of makes sense, right?
That he's enlarged it in his mind.
But in any case, I thought that was an interesting little interlude.
And you can hear it in various other forms.
Now, he mentioned his journal, Matt, journaling.
He's an act of world-class journaler.
It's up there with confession.
Yeah.
And there's been a lot of dramatic delivery, right?
We just had a dramatic story.
The other point that I would also just mention is that one thing that perhaps eats into the authenticity a little bit is that was all scripted, that whole retelling.
Like, so, you know, the choking up and whatnot, maybe it's genuine or maybe it's just by the script.
Yeah, I think this is the thing.
I mean, when I think about like the sociological or the interpersonal sort of things that give me red flags, you were asking me before, what makes you skeptical?
Why doesn't this kind of vibe with you?
Right.
And like when someone is trying so hard to be authentic to give the appearance of authenticity, that I think it's reasonable to be suspicious, right?
Because this happens, right?
I actually had a, when I was living in Japan, Chris, you know, never told you this, but I was approached by some guy who turned out to be a total scammer.
He was, you know, it was like a legal scam.
They were trying to, they were clearly targeting expats in Japan who were making a bit of money and wanted them to invest in their schemes or whatever, right?
God knows, right?
Once I figured out what it was after, I just played him along.
It keeps doing the same thing, right?
Like it's run-of-the-mill stuff, right?
Super important.
Yeah.
You know, projecting, if you want to scam someone, you project as much authenticity, much, like forge a connection is the key thing.
Unfortunately, it's silly him.
You didn't realize it's not that easy to forge a connection with me, Chris.
He did not have the skills.
Yeah.
So, well, that is, I think, an aspect is like, this is all about authenticity, but it's the illusion of authenticity and connection, right?
Because this is a one-way thing.
And we're going to get to the pitch, right?
You know, we've been leading.
Yeah.
Like, the fact that it's carefully scripted alone and all of these little jokes and asides and emotional things, even the bongos or whatever, it was all playing out.
It's not like you just came across bongos.
They weren't like in the corner anyway.
I can play those.
No.
No.
So, yeah, when someone's scripting their...
Like if someone's trying to pick you up and they're running from a script, then you should be suspicious whether or not they really, really like you as a person and all that.
Anyway, I think I've made the point.
Well, actually, so it leads on to this next thing because his journal he has there with him and he picks it up right that's uh his own so he's got a prop here he's gonna open it up and flick through for a piece of wisdom so uh here's the next lesson for you matt i i found this excerpt in in my journals when i was working on this section of the event and it made me smile let me let me read it to you oh shit said
uh what's the boogeyman to look the boogeyman in the eye and laugh at him to dare ourselves to be inconsiderate and not ask for permission sometimes we got to listen to that little whisper inside us that only we can hear and chase that fucking dream down just so we can find out that's a fun one right you
see that noise by the way matt that was him throwing the journal on the ground like so there was a there was a person who did like a critical kind of review of this event kaya's world and and she was noticing that like he picked up the book he's holding it you know reverage and then he just tosses it onto the ground beside them you know the normal thing that you would do with a journal but if that is an actual entry in his journal i think it also illustrates how different that matthew bcconai is from like you or
me because that entry you know again it's that theme that you talked about to dare ourselves to be considerate and not ask for permission sometimes we've got to like you know listen to your heart it's in that theme of you know you got to be true to yourself no matter what it does to other people god damn it he's right though we shouldn't be asking permission to be considerate chris my god this is a truth bomb he's dropped like can you imagine writing that down in a journal or
anywhere else like no i can i can definitely get that well i can't imagine you writing it down that's what no i can imagine writing other things but not not that and so there was the theme there matt of the boogeyman right the boogeyman so that gets us to the next testimonial section what's your boogeyman what's your boogeyman matt i'm gonna ask you after you hear some uh prompts from other people and this time we get rock music as the background what monster do you need to look in the eye
admit it and if you dare put it in the chat what do we got page money
rejection my past control perfection control let me go money money
and perfection the average my daughter disorganization being alone burden losing it all I eat too much solitude irrelevance I'm a burden
abandonment trust being alone falling on my face there you go what's your boogeyman what do you mean looking through stuff are you looking at them we're all going through stuff uh yeah you know my boogeyman is you is you texting me at six o'clock in the morning saying we got it to code matthew mcconaugh that's my boogeyman but
then you know you ask me about my demons you what you got be careful what you wish for you like what you see there's a i i there is something surreal about like a hollywood celebrity reading out people's like alcoholism my daughter hates me you know to rock music and playing the bongos right it's uh this is lit stage capitalism in action i feel matt yeah i feel like there's also like
a broad spectrum of problems that people have on one hand like matthew mcconagh is dealing with shit for instance feeling a bit antsy if he hasn't accomplished something in the last 48 hours and there's abuse um alcoholism and stuff on the other end of the spectrum so you know it's it's a broad it's a broad sequence of things but i guess i guess the rejoinder to that is it's all subjective right so who can say maybe the person maybe maybe maybe matthew mcconagay you know suffers
suffers worse when he's thinking about not accomplishing something for 48 hours and you can't compare we're all suffering we're gonna get into the end of this map you know the pivot towards the the hard cell and whatnot but there's there's just like a little little sprinkles of wisdom that i want you to ponder so i'll give you one more here so start dissecting your successes more than your failures start being great at what you're
good at instead of trying to be good at what you're bad at what are you good at what are you successful at admit it what are you good at matt admit it you're good at stats i'm good at i should play to my strengths yeah i should do more stats
i should stop trying to do impressions he's right chris he's right there's a lot that we said i just i there's lots of other examples of that right i've i've actually been restrained in playing it back but you know but this is basically the content right the content oh yeah this is it we're deep in it now we're deep in it like this there is music there is people reading up their things there's an audience engagement and interspersed with that are aphorisms yeah yeah don't you know you know what is it jack of
all trades master of none every one of the things that he said in this comes from like a cliche you know like an aphorism um you know that uh well i mean that just seems like very light self-help like it doesn't seem fleshed out like a collection for five and a half hours no a collection of cliches does not feel like it makes a self-help course if you think that the other speakers are going to give more meat and
not do this you're wrong this is this is power for the course here but there there was one uh segment that was it's a little bit like the monk in the the desert i wonder if you noticed this or you had tuned out by this so um this is about a dream uh a rather unique dream in 1999 i just had a dream that i was floating down a river naked wrapped up in anacondas sharks piranhas and crocodiles and
lined along the ridge of the river there were thousands of african tribesmen each holding a shield and a spear and it wasn't a nightmare actually it was a wet dream no shit and it wasn't the first time that i'd had this dream i know doesn't make sense but and because it wasn't the first time that i had this dream and because it was so peculiar and ironic the elements in the dream and the outcome i i believe
that it had a message in it for me a message i had to listen to a message that i had to chase but what was the dream telling me and just where was i supposed to chase it to well the only point of origin in the dream was the continent of africa via the african tribesmen well africa's a big continent geez where do i go a couple nights later i'm sitting in my hotel room still trying
to figure out a clue to help me chase the meaning of this dream down and i was listening to my favorite musician ali farkature when one of my favorite songs of his came on it's called i do a i du now this had long been one of my favorite love songs but i never really knew the exact meaning of it because the lyrics were in the african language of bombada of which i didn't understand it's quite a uh an adventure to go on
there matt so did you get the important details of that event yeah so he started off with a wet dream um a nocturnal mission precipitated by being going down the vision of going down a river in africa surrounded by african tribesmen along with he was wrapped up in anacondas and crocker that i was wrapped up in anacondas and crocodiles yeah i mean that's normal for you in australia it's probably why i didn't learn that particular detail but yeah and i do like how he described the situation as like surreal
and ironic which which just goes to show chris that it's true that americans don't know what irony means they really don't because like you keep hearing Americans refer to the word, use irony in situations.
It doesn't apply.
But that's an aside.
And by the way, I'm nowhere mean to Americans.
I'm continually aware that most of our audience are American.
You're good sports.
You're good sports.
That's good.
How would you deal with it, Chris, if you were listening to a podcast, basically all in, all every episode, day in, day out, there is basically a pair of Americans criticizing stuff about Ireland?
How well would you take that?
No, that would never happen, Matt.
I can't.
It would never happen because you are perfect.
Well, too many things would have had to go wrong for me to be in that situation.
You're like George Peterson, right?
You just simply wouldn't be in that.
You're asking me a hypothetical, but I wouldn't be there, Matt.
That wouldn't have happened.
But yeah, I mean, they are good sports.
I agree.
But, you know, it's meant with affection.
So that makes a difference.
But I also think the, you know, one thing for me is just like, this is a different kind of person for me.
Right.
Because not that I might not have a mental dream, like, you know, with I have not experienced the kind of thing that he's talking about, whereas a recurrent weirdo dream that leads to nocturnal emission.
But nonetheless, if that happened, I wouldn't be like, what is the world trying to tell me?
What does this dream mean?
Means.
Yeah.
What does it mean?
And, and, but he does, right?
And I think.
That's taken as a given, right?
That's, that's the premise, right?
Dreams, dreams mean stuff.
Mean something.
Yeah.
And the fact that he's like talking about this in 1999, I would be like, how do you remember a dream that you had?
But like he journals and stuff, right?
So like this, this could be a legitimate dream if we did this.
But it does speak to the way that he approaches things because the outcome is, like he said, he was thinking about it.
He listened to the CD.
It was by an African artist.
And then he read the lyrics.
The lyrics were poignant.
And then he decided Vosley.
Well, that's when I thought, well, where's Ali from?
I looked it up.
Nia Funke Mali.
I said, well, that's where I'm going to go.
Trust that.
Two days later, I was on a flight to Mali, Africa, to find Ali.
I did find Ali on that trip and many other truths that I to this day trust in.
I get it.
It's hard to trust.
So actually, this story is, well, one, just to end that, is that like, so based on that dream insight, he decided to take a trip to, you know, the country of origin for that singer, and he had an adventure in Africa.
No doubt I'm sure if he went over and did that, that he would have an interesting time.
And, you know, if he tracked down the musician and told him, I had a dream and blah, blah, blah.
It would all lead to function out against.
But it does speak to the kind of like wealth that someone would have that they could just like decide to fire.
They can literally follow their dreams.
Is that what you're saying?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But also, you know, that story was just the pivot to, I get it.
It's hard to trust things.
His next lesson is about how we need to trust more.
So what was the takeaway for the dream Africa excursion?
Yeah.
Yeah, you got to.
He naturally might have struggled to trust that the dream was trying to tell him something.
Anything that it meant anything at all.
But he got over that and he went to Africa and had a great time.
So that leads to these issues of trust.
This is directly after that story.
This is about trust, right?
So issues about trust, Matt.
Look, I think we can all admit that today the vibration of our lack of trust, it is separating us.
There is not much trust in the room.
And we are suffering from the fact.
You know, a study came out last year that less than 30% of people trust their own neighbors.
Oh, geez.
That's gross.
In our low trust society, we're anxious.
We're looking for a tribe.
We're cynical.
We can't extend our hand to others because we've forgotten how to extend our hand to ourselves.
We got to shake hands again.
First with ourselves.
Then with each other.
It's the only way to build both of us up.
Words of wisdom there.
There was a study, Matt.
There was a study.
Did you get by that study?
Yeah.
Do I trust my neighbors?
If that study exists, that's such a terrible survey question.
Do you trust your neighbors?
What does that mean?
Trusting me 30%, Matt.
That's gross.
That is gross.
I trust you with my life.
That's kind of a less advanced version of the Dr. K or Huberman use of studies, right?
Like just there was a study that said 40% of us are not trusting our neighbors.
Yep.
60% of Americans are unhappy.
It's disgusting.
70% of us are too cynical for our own good.
That's right.
3% of us having dreams about Africa and then growing there.
Yeah.
So these trust issues span, again, a huge spectrum.
On one hand, you've got people, whatever.
Maybe they've suffered abuse and they can't trust other people.
In other sense, the society is breaking down so we can't even trust our own neighbors.
And Matthew McConaughey is struggling to trust his own sexual dreams about Africa.
We've all got trust issues.
They come in different flavors, Matt.
They come with different stripes.
But, you know, what can we do to resolve this today?
What would be a good thing for us to do today on this seminar?
What could it be?
Should I go to my neighbor's house?
Go visit him.
Extend my hand in friendship, Chris.
Maybe after.
Not first.
Like, maybe there's something else you could do first.
So let's hear a little bit more about trust.
Look, I'm not asking us to blindly trust anybody and everyone all the time.
No, that would be foolish and unwise.
I get it.
Hell, let's risk getting out of bed in the morning.
But I am asking you, and I'm asking me, to stop leading with distrust, to stop making a lack of trust our default feeling on high.
If we distrust ourselves, if we distrust ourselves and our own intuitions, we start missing out a lot in our life.
But when you trust others, when you give them a chance to heal, we're also healing ourselves.
I don't believe we're ever going to truly move forward individually or collectively without having more trust.
There has to be some amount of trust that we can all have the courage to give more than we do right now.
So I got a proposal.
How about this?
How about we agree and admit to having a 5% more trust coalition?
Yes, 5%.
And look, and I know there's some tyrants out there sitting there listening and going, oh, perfect.
I can't wait to take advantage of all these trust suckers.
And to that, I say, you know what?
Yes, yes.
If we trust more, we are going to get burned a time or two more.
But the times that you get burned are going to pale in comparison to the strength, support, victories, and successes that you are going to get.
Watch out.
There's a trust vampire in the building.
The trust tyrant might be closer than you think.
So he's looking to get that 30% statistic down to 25%.
Yeah, just for the good of his heart.
Like, you know, Matt, if you start out being cynical, opportunities are going to pass you by.
What kind of opportunities?
Well, you know, we'll get to that.
But as a general point of principle, just don't start out with your cynical mind games, right?
Can we just be nicer about it?
And yeah, some people are going to try and scam us.
Like some people out there, the bad guys.
We know they're out there.
They're not here right now.
They're not in the room.
But if you're suspicious, if you're skeptical, then these opportunities are going to pass you by.
We wouldn't want that, would we?
Yes.
So that's the end, by the way, of the Matthew McConaughey segment.
He disappears here.
This is him going out.
there's a lot of what we might call canned laughter, canned applause, just to him leaving.
So let's just...
Yeah, or maybe it's genuine, Matt.
Maybe this is genuine.
Let's see if we can listen to the tail.
All right.
So I've asked you to admit a whole lot of things today.
Thank you for playing along and interrogating yourself.
Thank you for not judging yourself and just good old admitting.
And hell, if anything, can we all just have a good old giggle at ourselves for being human?
Remember, guilty and approved at the outset.
I think we've all earned a heartfelt laugh at the fact that we may not be as evolved as a species as we like to think we are.
Sorry, but we got to admit it.
What do you think?
Genuine?
Because it's not that they've just used a canned laughter track.
It's that they've really decided to center it as a feature.
Like they went through the four different or five different options on the keyboard there.
And that was part of the thing.
Like now you now laugh at yourself.
Yeah, that's, I felt sorry for McConaughey's delivery there as well.
Like, cause he, he was also supposed to giggle at one point.
It just does look a little bit painful.
But so there, Matt, you pivot out.
I'm not going to go through the whole thing, so don't worry.
We're, we're like, we're not going through the other four hours of speakers, but I do have a clip from a couple of the other ones and then the pivot, right?
So, you know, we heard the emotional canned laughter a bit.
And now you're going to hear Matthew McCannahey, not the MC person, do the introduction for the next kind of self-help guru, right?
So you'll hear the glazing again, but this time from Matthew McConaughey directly.
So listen to this.
Hey!
Matt!
Our first guest recently on our podcast, and we had a lot in common right away.
She is willing to admit to truths about herself, about life, successes, and failures.
She has faced and made many a boogeyman bow down.
Never wanted to be complacent.
She is committed to making the hard choices that do bring more balance, more joy, more love to her life and the lives of those around her.
That's cool.
Today, she's going to share a game-changing philosophy on finding and committing to living more of your best life, being more of your best you, by making one simple change in how you think.
You can only do what you do when you're clear about what you don't.
Marie Folio.
That's a cool introduction, right?
Nice.
My professionalism is seeping away.
No, that was, well, you know, that's all.
There's nothing you need to say, Matt.
You know, she's got a message.
And by the way, I'll spoil it because I'm not going to play it after her single technique to solve your problems.
So what I want to share now, this is something I'm so excited about.
This is a simple science-backed trick that helped me eliminate probably one of the most destructive patterns that I had, right?
It was this hidden addiction that was preventing me from getting to my next level of more.
And I promise you this.
So I've taught this now to tens of thousands of people.
And what you're about to learn, it's so simple.
It works like magic.
And I promise you, like Pinky Swear, it's going to help you eliminate any emotional or behavioral or thought pattern that's holding you back.
Cool?
Are you guys into this?
Yes?
It's to tell yourself, I'm not going to be anxious.
Like, just don't be anxious.
When you feel anxious, just like, don't.
That's her.
That's her pain.
That's it.
Wait a minute.
Marie Forleo, what are you saying right now?
Like, do you hear yourself?
Are you listening to yourself?
This is the same sad, I'm so overwhelmed song for years.
This is like, this is super stressful.
This is no way to live.
Like, are you finally ready, girl, to let this thing go?
And in an instant, I kid you not, this magical little phrase appeared in my mental theater, right?
Like, I didn't think it up.
I didn't try and create it.
It was a mantra that flashed in my mind.
And I feel like it was a gift from the divine or from my higher self.
Here it was.
You ready for it?
I don't do overwhelm.
I don't do overwhelm.
The second I heard those words, I don't do overwhelm.
I gotta tell you, my shoulders relaxed.
I felt this like 400-pound weight lifted off of me.
It was as if a portal opened up and I was shown this whole other possibility for how to live my life.
And from that instant on, I don't do overwhelm.
That actually became a part of my new internal programming, right?
That became my new mantra, my new affirmation.
I kept saying it out loud and in my head.
It was like, I don't do overwhelm.
I don't do overwhelm.
You know what?
I actually, I don't do overwhelm.
I just feel like this is low effort self-help.
I mean, I'm not familiar with the self-help world crews, but in my imagination, they have like entire systems, like a whole Baroque kind of thing.
Whereas McConaughey's is take a journal, confess, trust.
Yeah, they're all like this.
They're all like this.
Sorry to spoil the illusion, but so the woman that he introduced there, the Marie Forleo, so she comes on and you'll hear some of the themes that we've heard throughout.
Hey, thank you so much.
So first of all, how awesome is Matthew?
Are you guys enjoying this?
And I want to let you know he's coming back so much more today.
So let's get away.
We've got Kelly.
We've got Mike Omar.
Oh my goodness.
You guys, are we ready for some fun?
Let's do this.
And just in case you're worried, Matt, Matthew is coming back.
In case you get bored with the other speakers, he is coming back.
He is coming back.
He doesn't go anywhere.
Yeah, he's coming back.
So I'll only play one more clip of her content to show that you don't need to hear it because it's the exact same thing that they've all been doing so far.
So listen to this.
How many people here have ever become a victim of your own success?
Like you worked so hard to achieve something or become something or build something.
And then it finally happened, right?
You got that relationship.
You got that career.
You got that business.
You got that family.
And then all of a sudden, you hit a wall.
Either you ran out of gas, right?
You got exhausted.
Or maybe you got stressed or you lost your passion or you got bored.
Or maybe, maybe your soul started nudging you from the inside and saying, hey, you know, this thing that you wanted for so long, this thing that you worked so hard for, actually, you're meant to go in a whole different direction.
And then in that transition, right, in that realization, you started feeling totally lost, unsure of yourself.
And you started wondering, like, how the heck do I figure out where to go from here?
Anyone ever felt that?
If you felt that, I want to let you know you are not alone.
Now look, if you also identify as a creative, right?
As a dreamer, as a go-getter, if you're that person that people always come to for ideas and for support, if you're that invisible strength and that stability that other people rely on, and right now, if you know in your heart that there's a bigger future for you, if you know that you are meant for more, I got to tell you, this is especially important, what we're going to dig into right now, because sometimes it's just harder for people like us.
I just felt like I was swimming in Blanche.
Yeah.
Well, it's got that aspect of, you know, the prize for the audience, right?
Like, are you the secret support?
Are you the hard gun by person?
That's me.
I'm creative.
I'm a candid person.
I've accomplished things, yet I still feel dissatisfied sometimes.
What?
Do you feel lost?
Is this for me?
It feels like it's for me.
Are you sometimes exhausted, Matt?
Are you stressed?
Are you over eat?
Yes, yes.
Yeah.
So it's, and you heard the same thing.
You know, you're a victim of your own success.
Just like the solution is to don't worry.
First of all, don't worry about it.
Don't be anxious.
Accept yourself for who you are.
Find a community, other people, connection, acknowledge that we're all in the same boat together.
Yeah, it's like if you took a religion and you stripped away all the religious bits, this would be the stuff that's left over.
I mean, it's not terrible, you know, it's just...
That would be the difference.
So, okay, she goes on, you know, she gives up everything.
There's also another speaker later.
They all come in different flavors.
There's like a, there's one that does like a kind of a pep talk, like an intense, you know, like a coach kind of pep talk with like music building up and saying like, you are what you need to be, you need to work put your hand up your heart, and I want to speak to your heart for a moment.
*shrie*
Never back down when your back's against the wall.
It matters how many times you get back up, not how many times you fall.
It's about your mentality.
What's the point of dreaming a dream if you're not working to turn that dream into reality?
So speak life into your life.
Speak life into your life.
Right now in the chat, speak life into your life.
Say, I am purpose.
I am healed.
I am free.
I am me.
I am my next level.
I am greatness.
Speak life into your life.
As Marie said, I am not these things anymore.
Speak life into your life.
Be your own motivation.
You see a legend?
It's just an ordinary person with extraordinary determination.
So find a way and make one.
Because at the end, you just regret the chances you didn't take.
So find the courage to take one.
Your only limit is you.
Don't surrender to your struggle.
Make that struggle surrender to you.
You see, pain is temporary, but giving up is forever.
Never settle for good enough when you know inside you live something better.
You didn't come this far just to settle.
You didn't come this far just to accept whatever.
You came this far to take it to your next level.
You came this far to become something greater.
You came this far to become something greater.
And I don't care what odds are stacked against you, my friends.
You are highly favored.
So for your family, for your life, for your vision, for this world, don't you ever stop working.
You know, like the there's different delivery depending on what appeals.
You know what?
Our friend Aaron, Aaron Rabinowitz, he would say that this is like a church for the meritocratic secular religion that is neoliberal America.
That's what he says.
Okay, neoliberal America.
Well, if it is, it's not my church.
No, no, but it's like it does the same thing a church did for medieval Europe.
You know, it's doing the same sorts of functions for, you know, contemporary modernity.
That's what Aaron would, that's what Aaron would say.
Woody, well, that's exactly what he would say.
I hear a lot of the prosperity gospel stuff, like, you know, you are meant for, like, it's just, it's a self-actualization thing.
Like everybody is meant for bigger things.
Yeah.
I mean, but look, I mean, as a psychologist, I tend to think about how religions tend to serve functions, right?
Very much like how Manvir was talking about how shamans serve functions.
Religions serve functions.
One of the things they do is they help solve, they help deal with, address existential anxieties and stresses, right?
That are sort of inherent in the lifestyle and the social order and the system in which people are living.
Right.
And you can see it very clearly that the medieval church was doing that for medieval people.
And my theory.
This is a theory.
And it's really Aaron's theory.
But this is that, but for contemporary capitalist, meritocratic, neoliberal modern country.
But I guess the issue is like I'm pretty much okay with meritocracies and capitalism and whatnot.
But it's not a judgment.
There's no judgment to say that meritocracy is bad, right?
Or capitalism is bad or modernity is bad.
It's just saying that there is inherent anxieties and existential concerns up in it, right?
Because what bothers us, like we're not stressing about God will be angry with us.
So the black death is going to come and our children will die, right?
That's not an existential concern for us, right?
It was for them.
But for us, we have different ones, which is...
Yeah, we're not actualized.
And it's all about individual accomplishment and individual achievement, right?
Passing grades, getting, you know, look at, look at the Twitter and all of the Manosphere and all of the people, like, you know, social media.
There's an image of a perfect life, which for the Manosphere kids, it's got lots of girlfriends and they're driving a fancy car and stuff like that.
For the TradCon, lives will be something else.
For the people with intellectual pretensions, it'll be our gurus, right?
But there is an image of what you should be.
And, you know, this self-help type stuff is about addressing like the 99.99% of us that don't get it in our life.
Oh, sure.
Sure.
Yeah, I can see that point for it.
And I think you can't see it as like existing in the shadow of contemporary individualist capitalist societies.
So I'm on board with that.
I'm just saying there are people that are generally on board with those societal things who don't like this.
But yes, I agree.
I agree.
No, I'm not.
I am on board.
I am on board with this.
I know.
I know.
I'm not saying.
I know you're not on board.
I'm not making some leftist cultural critique of everything.
I don't mind if you were.
Aaron was.
All right.
Well, so now that that guru goes away, okay.
And then you get back to Dean Grazio.
And this is where we're going to get to this little pivot.
But Ding Grazio, Matt, see him kind of thing.
Listen to this little cliff.
Wasn't it nice to have Marie here?
And I got to tell you, so McConaughey's coming back out.
So I hope nobody's leaving, not even for a second.
And I have to tell you, and being in the back here, he's helped create such a casual vibe that's going on here.
You know, we got 2.4 million people registered from this event.
And it is 150 countries around the world.
And you would think, and it's such a cool vibe.
And when Matthew came off, I have to tell you, I could see, I could see the excitement in his face because of your chat.
I watched it happen.
Who in here watched it when he started reading the chats?
You could see him leaning in, having more fun, right?
I see it's Susan and Daniel and Juan and Linda and Lene, right?
I watched it too, and it's pretty amazing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
McConaughey was connecting with you.
You touched.
That's what you touched Matthew McConaughey deep inside.
That's right.
No, there was also the aspect there that like he's coming back.
Don't worry, don't go anywhere.
He's like, Jesus Christ.
He's definitely coming back.
Just wait.
But I also, I don't know, Matt, this might be reading between the lines too much, but I did feel like a note of like implicit criticism there where he's like, you know, when he was interacting with you guys, you could see he was more engaged.
Like that's when it was feeling more real.
And yes, he is there, you know, suggesting he's enjoying the connection with you.
But I also felt like a little bit, just feedback, you know, your delivery was a little bit flat when it came to the scripted stuff, but the reading the things, that's when you started to relax.
So I don't know.
That's, that's just what I read because this guy is, you know, the Uber guru.
Okay.
Now, okay.
So he's going to get Matthew back.
Don't worry.
He's coming back, but he just wants to, you know, mention a couple of things first.
Now, I got a couple of things to share here today, and then we're going to bring Matthew back out.
But in the meantime, I want to share in this shifting time, we have to agree.
I said it earlier.
I don't want to beat it up, but this is a shifting time.
This is where when we have things that are bugging us, it's like there's a magnifying glass on it.
And sometimes we feel stuck.
Sometimes we're doing okay.
We want to go to the next level.
Sometimes we just got to get back in the game.
Sometimes we want to reinvent, reconnect, start over.
Or as Matthew's son said, just meet new people and do cool things.
And for some reason, we're holding back.
But I want to give you a little kudos today.
Just by you being here, you're ahead of most because most people complain about things going wrong.
Most people are upset about what's happening in the world and they get sucked into one way or another and they're not doing something.
You guys are taking the time to be here today.
So celebrate yourself.
Celebrate yourself being here.
You are taking the uncomfortable action it takes to move forward.
Yep, quite a few things going on there.
Call back to what he was doing at the beginning.
Give yourself a great big clap on the back.
You've taken the first step towards yada, yada, yada.
But I liked at the beginning there, he like covered all the bases, all of the situations.
You know, you might be wanting to get it into something.
You might be wanting to just get out of something.
You might be.
If that sounds like you, reinvent, reconnect, start something new, start over, start again.
It's a hell of a shtick.
And that bet, you know, the audience creates the manipulative parasocial kind of thing about like, look, other people, they're doing nothing, Matt.
They're sitting on the fat arses.
You came out here today to this live stream.
You're taking like the hard work.
That took courage, Chris.
That took courage to log on to this live stream.
It takes a lot of courage, I think, for listeners of Dakota Nagurus to see a three-hour Matthew McConaughey special and take the plunge and say, yeah, I make that choice for themselves.
Yeah, I'm going to click on that.
This is for me.
I'm going to sit through this.
A lot of people wouldn't.
They wouldn't.
They don't have the brass balls that you could.
Yeah.
And but, you know, in the same way that like the gurus are often telling their audience, you know, you guys are willing to look more critically at the stuff, to think about the science.
You know, you're not swallowing what you're told.
It's the same thing, right?
It's just delivered with more directness than we're used to in the content.
Likewise, Matt, strategic disclaimers and the Omega principle mixed in together.
And not everything we share, not everything I share is going to be perfect, or Marie or Trent or Tony or even Matthew.
But if there's one thing, if there's a couple of things that allow you to go, oh, I can make a difference, then we did our job here today.
And I like to simplify.
We're here to learn the art of living, right?
You know, if Matt and I said some stuff, if it's not that insightful, if there's, you know, if you think you've wasted three hours.
Some of this is going to be flat wrong, right?
But if you can find in this entire thing, just one thing.
That was time well spent.
Oh.
So, yeah, that's beautiful.
Just remember that, okay, when you're writing your reviews.
Any like focus on that positive.
This is for the ones review makers.
That's right.
Just remember.
Was there really nothing?
Nothing at all in the three hours that was good.
You could have just chosen to focus on that.
Now we're going to get to the pitch, Matt.
And this is some incredible stuff here.
So Dean is the pitch man, right?
So you need to listen to how he's making the pivot because we've been talking about spiritual stuff.
We've been talking about self-help.
We've been talking about the need to trust more.
We do need to talk about sales, Matt.
And sales makes people uncomfortable.
We think of sales.
Sometimes we think of it as icky.
I want you to tell you something.
You know what's icky?
The people that do the wrong things when they influence.
If you sell a really bad car to an elderly person and they don't know it, that's not sales.
You're just a bad human.
If you sell drugs to a drug addict, you're a bad human.
But sales, if you really take sales, influence, persuasion, when you know it can help someone's life, when it's a good product, or you're selling yourself to your children, you're influence yourself, you're influencing your children, influencing people you love, or offering something that could really make a difference in their life, then sales is love.
Sales is service.
Think about this.
Who in here is glad that you were influenced to show up here today?
Raise your hand or put it in the chat.
McConaughey's watching your chat, Paul.
So who is glad you're if you read green lights?
Who's glad you were influenced to read green lights?
So if we look through sales and influence in a different lens, then all of a sudden we realize it's love.
There is just something so hilarious about the guy making those points, hammering home, and then the guy pressing the button with the applause.
Oh my goodness.
Have you ever considered that seals is love?
I hadn't considered that, Chris.
my mind was blown.
Yeah, that is, I thought this was pretty impressive.
He drew a long bow there, but my God, that arrow, it hit the bullseye.
I mean, it's basically, I was convinced by the end of it.
I realized that, you know, what we do with our children, Chris, we're trying to, we're trying to help them, raise them.
We're influencing them.
That's what a person who is selling you something is doing to you if they know that you need the thing that they are selling you.
Brilliant.
Yeah.
Well, influencers get a bad rap, but don't we want to influence people to do good things?
So should we really be dismissive of influencers?
Like it's, you know, it's a case-by-case business.
And also, I did like it, maybe, you know, you've talked quite a lot about the parallels with, you know, religion.
I like the notion that like, raise your hand, put it in the chat.
McConaughey's watching your chat.
He's just keeping an eye.
You wouldn't want to.
Because he enjoyed it so much.
He really enjoyed it before reading it out, you know, doing the sort of beat poetry to the chat.
So he's back.
He's just glued to it now.
Yeah.
And, you know, he is coming back.
So keep an eye.
But like, so this is incredible, right?
Like, Seals is love.
It's good that he sets this groundwork because we're about to, you know, get I wonder what he could be talking about next, Chris.
Yeah.
Some people think Sales is icky, map, but they just wrong.
Now, because Sales is love, when you think about it, if you have something that is very valuable and important, it would actually be selfish not to sell it to someone, wouldn't it?
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Listen, I wasn't joking before.
Matthew's worked his tail off.
I mean, we got eight months working on this and what's next for you.
I mean, we spent five days in a table around in the other room before a month ago.
We spent another four days this week gaining the skills, fine-tuning every bit of messaging.
He's doing that out of love.
And it would be a disservice to him not to offer it to you.
Is that true?
So in your life, if you start falling in love with what you want to provide, a spouse, a friend, your children, in your new business, in your career, the people you work with, you realize that influence is one of the greatest gifts.
Let's go to your next level.
All change starts with influence.
He was talking very quickly there, so I may have lost the thread a little bit.
Help me.
Oh, well, it was very similar to what you were saying about, you know, like you want to influence your children, your spouse, you want to provide, you want to give them love.
You've got something valuable.
My Matthew has spent eight months.
Eight months, but not just eight months.
He must have taken him.
I'm surprised.
How long did it take him to come up with the...
We had the trust idea.
We had the confession idea.
I mean, he did all that in eight months.
He deserves to get paid for this, Chris.
It would be a crime not to.
Yeah, yeah.
And also, you know, they spent five days around the conference table, Matt, talking about what they're going to do here.
Sounds exhausting.
Four days this week, fine-tuning every bit of messaging.
So that's, you know, like it hits, it's incredible.
That's nine days total.
Eight months is not the sea of us, like, you know, 20 years.
I've spent 20 years holding this message.
Like eight months is actually a relatively.
It was a harrowing experience, but there was the love.
It was the love that carried them through it, Chris.
I know.
It's the love and seals.
And really, is there any difference between seals and love?
It's the same thing.
I see now that it's the same thing.
That's good.
I'm glad you've seen that.
So now that you've seen that, let's bring Matthew back out.
He was there.
You know, he was reading the chats, playing the bongos.
Here he is again.
People have known you for the amazing actor you are.
I watched your Oscar winning speech.
So, so killer.
And you play amazing characters.
This is different.
This is you today, vulnerable.
You being you.
They're not saying, I love that character.
They're thanking you.
So I guess the question is, with all that you've done, and we're halfway through this day, we got a lot more coming.
How are you feeling?
I'm feeling as alive as I've ever felt.
I'm feeling a little more alive than I maybe even thought I was going to feel.
Look, I make films.
I'm playing someone else's character in a script that someone else wrote, directed by someone else, lensed through a camera by someone else, and edited by someone else.
There's like four or five filters before my expression gets to get to you in the theater.
Even writing the book, it's still one filter.
You have to look at the written word.
This is filterless.
That's what I mean by live and a live.
To be there and to be here talking to each one of you individually, but over 2.4 million of you, that collective of individuals all here for the same purpose, and to get like responses back from you?
Questions?
Admittances?
The conversation, the live conversation, I did not know it was going to be this much of a buzz, and a damn good buzz it is.
So I'm having a great time.
I don't really want it to end.
We're not close to ending, are we?
No, we got plenty.
We got plenty going.
We're only halfway through, Matt.
We are not.
We are not.
We're almost at the end.
We're almost done.
They are true.
This is only like R2 of the five R event.
Wow.
Wow.
They wear you done.
Maybe it's like.
I think I understand.
Yeah.
I think that's how like they get the sale, right?
You sit there and you're, I just got to watch a little bit.
You get a bit hooked.
And after a while, you're just swimming with all of this, all of these words.
Then you get out your credit card.
But yeah, yeah.
So Matthew McConaughey, This is real, right?
Like he's authentic.
He is authentic.
He put himself on the line here, right?
He's extremely vulnerable to do this, to come on stage with you guys.
So I'm feeling a little bit like I don't want to let the McConaughey down, yeah?
Because it would be kind of sad if he was rejected, hey.
Because I was telling Dean earlier, the immediate interaction that y'all are having back with me and us and that we're having back with you, this is a buzz like I've never, never felt before.
And my heart is very filled with this relationship we got going today.
Thanks for being here.
Well, this is the first time you've actually experienced him directly.
Like everything else is through a filter.
You know, you might have liked his movies, but that was through the director's filter, the producer's filter, his book even.
You know, that was the written word.
And actually, as it turns out, if you're listening in other interviews, there were ghostwriters involved as well.
He didn't mention that filter in this episode.
But this time, Chris, this time, Chris, he was reading those text messages out loud directly.
He was getting, yeah, he was getting a buzz from that.
I wonder, I mean, I also, you know, we're being, I think, appropriately cynical here, but also, I wonder if he did get the buzz of the self-help salesman buzz, you know, where there's all these people and they're responding.
Like, I wonder if that is true.
Cause like, he's still doing that.
Yeah.
Like, I wonder too.
Like, I wonder, well, you know, it's the same question crops up every time, right?
Are they for real?
And because there are odd people, you know, he's a Hollywood actor anyway.
He's from California.
He's a different world from us.
So, you know, he went to the monastery, talked to the monk, right?
We don't know for how long, but he's clearly a different kind of person.
They definitely believe in this.
So I don't know.
You've said once or twice he's from California, but isn't he originally from Texas?
Just because I'm sure somebody will point that out.
No, he's an honorary Californian.
That's just okay.
That's what you mean.
That's fine.
Let's just clarify that.
Come on.
He's got a penthouse in Hollywood, I'm sure.
Okay.
Well, now, so we're almost there, Matt.
We're almost at, you know, where this has been leading.
We're not going to go through the other remaining three hours of content, but there's just one more.
You know, Matthew's there on stage with Dean.
What's going to happen now?
Second question I got for you.
You got a lot going on.
You have TV, something TV coming up.
You got movies coming up.
I get to see behind the curtain, like I said earlier.
I know how important your relationship is with your wife.
I love watching YouTube behind the scenes.
It's even way better than you would think in the front.
And your connection is inspiring.
The way you talk about your kids, the time you spend with your kids, man, you put a lot of time into this, a lot of work into this.
And some great things that we get to share with you, Taylor, even more of what this guy's done over the last eight months.
Crazy nights.
We were up to midnight going back and forth.
After midnight a few times.
Yeah.
What drove you to go deeper?
Just a great guy.
He's worked so hard.
It's amazing.
It's, you know, he's an actor.
He's doing tons of stuff.
He's a great husband.
He's just a wonderful father.
It's just a beautiful theme.
Yeah.
Look, Chris, this is not connected, actually, but so many times I've mentioned the 2.4 million registrations, I noticed they said 2.4 million people registered for the event.
That's a lot.
That's a big number, right?
Yes, it is.
It is a lot.
But these are the Premier League.
You know, you got Tony Robbins, you got Dean Grazio.
I mean, Go Government, and you've got Matthew McConaughey.
So I suspect this is, because they mentioned at their events, there was a huge audience, like in the millions.
So I think McConaughey's Hollywood star is like kind of supercharging their usual audience.
So even with what I would imagine is some inflation there, because like 2.4 million registrations, sure.
But like, I've never, a live stream of 2.4 million people seems very unlikely.
So yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Just checking.
Just checking.
Yeah.
Well, okay.
So, you know, we know Matthew's worked a lot.
He's been up past midnight a couple of times, at least nine days in total.
And now we get to the final part of our episode, The Seals Pivot.
Who's felt this man's heart today?
The energy.
He doesn't need to be here.
He wants to be here.
He doesn't need to go beyond.
He's got a bunch of acting roles and he could just go down that road.
But he kind of got bit with the book and seeing that and this kind of transformation that we need.
I'm going to tell you, Tony and I have been doing this.
I've been in this industry 27 years, Tony for over 45. Tony's got number one best-selling personal development course ever, personal power.
I've had a couple of number one best-selling courses.
But I'll tell you, what you put together is going to change the game.
It truly is revolutionary.
It's an evolution, and it's the opportunity for you to go on a road trip with this guy.
Let him ride shotgun.
So if you don't mind, I'm going to let them know what we did.
You're going to let them know?
I'm going to let them know.
I'm getting out of here.
You let them know.
Appreciate it.
Guys, Matthew's going to be back in a few minutes here, but I get the privilege, I get the honor to share with you what this man has worked on for eight months.
Can we just pause that for a second, Chris?
Because there's already so much good stuff there.
So it's really emphasized, and you could tell that they planned this, to make the point very clearly.
Matthew McConaughey, he doesn't need your money.
He doesn't need you to sign up.
This isn't about that.
He got bit with the bug, right?
He wrote the book and self-help.
He's seen the power to change and stuff like that.
And, you know, he wants to be here.
He's here about his own choice.
And also just how much he's been moved.
He's connected with all you people.
So now he's discreetly leaving the stage.
Discreetly.
There's rather awkward leaving.
Like, you know, will you let me tell them what you've done?
Are you going to tell them?
You're going to tell them.
I'm going to just go.
I'll go out here at the door.
Like, because I feel he's not polished enough to do the sales pitch part, right?
Like, this, this is the part where it's actually hard.
This is closing the deal, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, so he's just got to go off stage now, but he'll be back after this distasteful function has been.
All right.
So I do.
And that part is a big part of it, Matt.
And I think it's also the reaction like I had when I saw this was like, why is Matthew McConaughey doing this?
Like he's, he's an A-league, multi-millionaire, you know, multiple decade career in Hollywood as a leading man.
Why would he be getting into like a self-help exploitation money grab?
And I think that's part of the thing is like, it is a good justification.
Like, why would Matthew McConaughey scam you?
He's already got a lot of money.
He doesn't want your money.
Why would he be doing that?
It's sort of like brazen to put that in people's face.
It's very brazen because you know that's a standard confidence trick as well, right?
You know, you're the, you're the Mr. Moneybags with the suit and the top hat.
I don't need your.
Yeah, of course I'm not going to be stealing your wallet.
I'll write you a check, my good sir.
Anyway.
I also like that bit.
You know, my Tony Robbins, he's been here 45 years, number one bestseller.
I've got bestsellers 27 years for me, you know, but this, you know, all of that, it's been pretty good, granted, but no.
With Matthew McConaughey, something big is coming to him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All the careers have been leading to this.
The revelations of the journaling and the confessions and the money.
In the desert, the sexy dream in Africa.
I mean, it was all leading to this.
Yeah, so let's hear it.
This is the money shot, so to speak.
So good.
And speaking of that, speaking of a roadmap, you know, we have been working eight months on this.
Part is this event to put 2.4 million people together, all these people.
There's 125, actually 300 people working on this event behind the scenes right now.
It's an incredible operation.
Y'all couldn't say there's a lot going on and has been going on for eight months to get to this right now.
Yeah, and those late nights, it was part for this, but it was partly to go more.
You know, it's that transformation.
I always looked at it as the book, today, as amazing as today is, I hope you're inspired today.
I hope this book inspired you.
But inspiration only lasts a little bit.
I learned that from Tony Robbins 25 years ago.
Inspiration only lasts a little bit.
We need transformation.
You called it the book was an approach.
It was time for the process, what everybody was asking on you.
So I'd love to share a little bit about what we've been working on as well as this for the last eight months because it's been a heavy lift.
I'm sorry, Matt.
That comes slightly before.
So that was the intro.
But it's actually good you played it in that order because I missed something, which is the other justification before the ask is they've been working so hard on this.
How much they've put out.
Really, they've sweated blood to just crank this stuff out.
It looks like they just got a stage and they did some rehearse speak with it.
It looks like they've got a keyboard with a soundtrack.
But yeah, just, can you imagine what went into that?
Like to actually create that?
That's, yeah, that must have been grueling.
They deserve to get paid something for all that, don't you think?
Yeah, yeah.
So this is true, Matt.
Now let's move on with the pitch, right?
So now I'm McConhay is offstage and we got to get down to, you know, fast acts, but maybe a little bit more waffling before that.
Don't leave.
There's so much.
Tony Robbins is coming.
Trent Shelton is coming.
Matthew's coming back with an ending that'll blow your mind.
But when today's over, sometimes we fall back into the hypnotic rhythm of our lives, right?
We go back to where we were, even though we want to go someplace else.
And we thought of a way where you could have this man ride shotgun with you to build something immersive.
Can't even call it a course.
We're calling an immersive learning.
And this is what you get.
Guys, could you pull this up?
I'm so excited.
I get the honor to share this with you because here's what I know.
If you're going to get from where you are to where you want to go, you're probably going to need some help.
Sometimes we get stuck.
And at this phase, all this time with him, I think McConaughey is the perfect person to go along that ride with you.
Can you pull this up, guys?
It's Road Trip, the Highway to More.
Here we go.
This is exciting.
I'm keen to hear.
Yeah.
So what comes up then is like, you know, an infographic kind of thing.
And he's going to go through, this is what's in the course.
You're going to get this.
And that's going to be like 12 sessions of this.
And we're going to throw in my course, which is usually, it's all its own course, but you're going to get like six months subscription there for free.
You're going to get this and blah, blah, blah.
And also them at that pitch that like, don't you want Matthew McConaughey there on the journey beside you?
Like, wouldn't you want Matthew McConaughey?
Yeah.
I want him riding shotgun on my life, Chris.
That's what I'm saying.
Just imagine him driving in the car.
You two going on the road trip together.
It's over there.
It's over there.
And especially given the vulnerable.
Given who they're targeting.
That's right.
I know.
And McConaughey being like, I would love this.
It's been great.
And that bit, I forgot to mention Matt, but that bit where he's like individually connecting with each one of you in a 2.4 million collective group.
Like he managed to both emphasize like that this is a huge group and yet I'm individually, you know, it's personal to every one of you.
So it's the kind of Barnum.
Yeah.
And we talk about parasocial stuff, those dynamics in the groups here, but you know, this is the this is the pure stuff, right?
This is this is where it comes from.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So are you are you going to play the clip of him revealing all of the great stuff you're going to get like selling a set of steak nights, Chris?
Yeah, we had so much fun partnering and working with McConaughey that we wanted to create something so irresistible during this event that if you're thinking about it, you gotta say yes.
And this is only for this event.
We decided to give you three months free of Mastermind.
Now, that's a platform Tony and I created to have the immersion, have the repetition, have the accountability.
And here's what we're gonna do.
You'll also get three monthly live trainings.
Now, if you think about the weekly you're gonna get, that's about the course.
This is next level.
These are deep dive.
And I'll be live in May.
In June, you'll have Marie Forleo back on how to have the big ask.
Who'd like some more Marie Forleo?
And here's the cool part.
Just a couple days ago, Matthew McConaughey agreed to come back in July for a training to show you how he uses journaling to take his success to the next level.
So you'll have live monthly trainings as well.
This is how you immerse yourself.
This is how you say, I'm not settling for where my life was.
I'm going to where I deserve to be and I want to gain new skills, look through a new set of glasses and take action.
So you'll have live monthly trainings.
Here's the cool part.
You get four years of the past trainings.
They're unbelievable.
Okay, you have access to that.
Next, as a part of Mastermind, this bonus we're given three months for free.
You're going to get a new course every month.
And it's already got 20 courses in it.
Persuasion, creative storytelling, no limits, confidence.
There are so many amazing mini courses.
And here's how I want you to look at these.
What Tony and I are giving you, the course is your main focus.
You go through what McConaughey created.
You fill out your interactive workbook.
You show up for those eight-week training game changer.
Look at what Tony and I are doing as like Christmas presents.
I want a little bit more about persuasion.
Let me go grab this course.
I want a little bit more about relationships.
Let me go grab this course.
We just want to give you that access to immerse yourself to make the shift.
Who knows they have to make a shift?
Raise your hand if you know you have to do something different.
That you have to go all in, that you have to burn the boats.
And that's why we did this.
We'll also add another 50 meals through Feeding America.
We're already over a million, so let's go to 2 million so we can do a little good for ourselves and some good for other people.
Well, there you go.
That's a fantastic offer.
You see that's for this, but they're usually for kitchen appliances and things and things like that.
But it's fantastic.
You know, you get this much value, you know, 12 months for this for free, you know, and this at the low, low price.
It was $6,000 now only.
Oh, yeah.
Well, that's this slip map.
So this is, you know, when we get down to brass tax, how much would you pay for this kind of thing?
Like, how much could you afford to lose by not getting this, right?
Now, here's the cool part.
A course like this, again, Tony and I have been doing this forever, 65 years between us.
This should be a $1,000 course, and it's not.
I'm just going to be transparent with you.
It's not.
McConaughey literally wants every single person that wants to have him help ride shotgun, be a part of this and see it that everybody here has the opportunity to get this.
But let me tell you what else we did.
Next, you're going to have live.
We just decided to do this a couple days ago.
For the next eight weeks or so, and the next, the course, the first training starts next week, we're going to get together as a family, do cool things together, and we're going to walk through each of the mile markers together to keep you on track.
Because sometimes who's ever bought something, a book, you're excited about it, bought a course, I love it, and then you let it sit on the shelf.
Lainey, I see you doing Linae and Liz and Tracy, right?
You're like, I love that book, but nothing happened.
We're not going to let that happen.
So for the next eight weeks in this studio, we'll be walking through, making sure that you stay on track to your more.
It should cost $1,000, Matt.
That's the first thing you want to know.
That sounds cheap.
If I get to be part of a family, like a loving family where people are going to keep me on track.
And Matthew McConaughey is part of that family.
He's going to be in the car beside you.
He's riding shotgun.
All right.
All right.
You're going down there together with him.
You guys are best friends now.
But it's not 1,000 mark because McConaughey wouldn't let us.
He didn't want.
That's what it should cost.
He wants to make sure that every single one of you can get this.
So he wouldn't let them.
Because those other guys, he understands, we don't maybe trust them in the same way that we might trust Matthew McConaughey.
So they're the bad guys in a way.
Matthew McConaughey wouldn't let them change 1,000.
That's right.
So let's see.
What is the price tax at the end?
Here we go.
You get live weekly walkthroughs, so make sure you stay on track.
You get the community, be a part of something bigger.
And you get a live training every month.
One of them will be with McConaughey.
You get a new course monthly, over 20, over 30 to choose from in the library.
We'll donate 50 meals.
Honest and truly, this is real value at 3,900 bucks.
And if today we dropped it to $997, I would say you guys should all run and get it right now.
But here's the cool part.
And only during our live, you can have Road Trip, the Highway to Moore, for $397.
Go to jointheroadtrip.com.
I'd write this down because it's today.
This is event-only opportunity with Tony and I's bonuses, that price.
And there's even a three-pay.
You can get started, have access to everything for $150 today.
Guys, I feel so honored to be part of this, to watch what this man has put in.
I can't wait for you to get this course in your hands.
The low, low ask of $397.
But it's a limited time off for Chris.
Special.
You got to act quickly.
You got to act quickly.
It's got to be today.
Look, write it down.
Write it down.
Go to that website.
And finally, yes, this is an event-only offer.
So all these amazing bonuses, this amazing price point, this is for you guys today.
Our gift to you for saying thank you for just being here.
Thank you for saying yes to committing to yourself, to going on this beautiful journey of life.
And that's our gift.
So we hope you say yes.
We hope you take it to the next level And the next step of your journey?
I don't have $397.
Now I could stretch to $150.
Oh, fortunately, they have an installment plan.
Now, if you do that, you will end up paying $450, three installments at $150.
So, you know, there's a little bit of an extra cost.
But I mean, it should be $3,900 in total.
It would be a steal at $997.
It's incredible savings.
It's incredible savings.
Yeah.
So that's distasteful.
Oh, I think.
Yeah.
I think.
Well, you know, I'm so McConaughey is going to come back after this is done.
I understand why he left.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they're going to have more.
Tony Robbins has yet to come on, right?
The big daddy.
He comes in.
I just have to, I mean, did you notice, like, if you look at actually what you get, it doesn't really matter what it costs, right?
$400, $1,000, $4,000.
If you actually look at it, like the price, like what does it cost them to deliver that per person, right?
Like nothing, right?
You get to be a member of an online community, which is like a forum with you could talk amongst yourselves and stuff, right?
That's fine.
Yeah, you're going to get lectures though, Mark.
Yeah, you get a lecture, like, is it once a month, isn't it?
Once a month, one of them's going to be with McConaughey.
Yeah, that's right.
So once a month, you'll get a lecture, again, a live streamed type lecture.
And one of them will be from McConaughey.
And is there anything else concrete that they actually get?
Because right now what they're describing is like an online forum and like a YouTube.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, that's ultimately what it all is.
Right.
And if you went on, there's like, you know, this is not the only SELs pitch in the content.
It goes on.
They need to come back to this.
Right.
And like they said, they're less than halfway through.
So there's going to be more pitches.
McConaughey is going to come back with glasses this time, like looking like a scientist and not so much bongos, like talking about, you know, the science part behind it and stuff.
And it's going to go on.
But I think people should have got the deal of like what's going on here by now.
Trust to make a discrete exit from Mr. McConaughey.
We will discreetly move offstage.
So we, you know, lost Matt.
Yeah.
Beauty.
Yeah.
We all had a good time here today.
You know, boom, boom, boom.
I just got to go out there.
So yeah, this is this is really shameful.
And like I said, he here is kind of the apprentice to them.
And he continues on, you know, promoting stuff after.
He's now seemed to have like kind of finished his contract or whatever it is that he was doing with them.
And he's now got his own brand that he started to like put out.
And I don't think he's yet introduced the full course that he's going to do about it.
But there's, you know, there's a weekly lesson that you can get from him.
And it's got like a slightly different branding.
So yeah, I don't think this is the end for him.
I think this was like more the apprenticeship in this arena.
Yes.
And he's going to now come out, you know, less of an apprentice and more of a full-fledged guru.
And so that's an interesting career choice for him.
I did enjoy him in True Detective, though.
That was better times.
Simpler times, Chris.
Yeah.
I wonder what, you know, as we said, I wonder what his character would think of all this.
But just a reminder, you know, there's the Hollywood actors and their ability to act.
And then there's the actual person.
They may not meet your expectations, right?
Yeah.
Indeed, indeed.
Well, I just hope that in future he continues to, you know, do the Holschdick, do the spiel, be the front man.
And then I hope that he continues to go off stage and let somebody else do the self.
I hope he keeps that up.
That's a good move.
That would be really good if that is his, you know, unique thing that he's just always like.
Okay, I'm just going to go off.
I'm just going to go have a smoke at the back and I'll come back up.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris.
Like, I think, you know, at first I was skeptical when you said Matthew McConaughey.
I was skeptical.
But like, like the audience for this event, I've come round.
You know, I'm on board now.
I can feel it.
You can feel that.
Are you self-actualized?
Yeah, yeah.
I think this falls into the secular guruism template because for the reasons we talked about, which is I think it's doing functionally a lot of the stuff that religion, especially evangelical style religion does, just with the religion specific bits shunted out of it and the self-actualization, success, money, happiness stuff injected in.
And, you know, you're going to need, you need the front men, you know, you need you need the pastor, you need the priests, you need the McConaugheys to be up there on stage to do the song and dance.
I think there's a little, you know, it's a shame.
It's not shamanism by its definitions, but, you know, it has those aspects.
Oh, it does.
It definitely has aspects of the like kinetic performances.
It's a kinetic performance, yeah.
Because he's up there being self-actualized, you know, as a demonstration, yeah?
Like he's, he's, he's comfortable in his own skin.
He's playing the bongos, he's making jokes, he's, he's riffing, he's beep up and, you know, in his Matthew fucking McConaughey, right?
You want to be, you know, so I think in a way he's, yeah, he's a bit shamanistic.
So yeah, it's an interesting thing.
And I think it's helpful too.
You know, we had, you know, some of the people.
Something he has bongo drums.
He's got bongo drums.
There's that.
And he does dream about Africa in a very personal way.
And, you know, like with, he's a crazy physics guy, the real idiot.
The smartest man in the world.
What's his name?
Oh, Chris Langen.
Chris Langen, right?
You know, we had doubts about Chris Langen because, you know, he's not very sophisticated.
It seems very obvious.
Yet at the same time, if you look at the internet, there's a lot of people that take him seriously, right?
So it's actually not superfluous to point out what seems blindingly obvious.
And I think to most people, what's going on in this kind of self-help advertorial format is pretty obvious, but it actually isn't to a lot of people sometimes.
So, and you know, I think it's a helpful demonstration because you have the grandmasters like the Eric Weinsteins.
I don't know, I'm thinking about gurus now.
So the ones that are very subtle and very Baroque, very intricate, they're playing games within games, Chris.
And then you have the Chris Langens of this world or the self-help spectacular types here where it's very plain to see.
So I think it's just good to have a demonstration.
Yeah, yeah.
And I mean, Tony Robbins, you could have a look at his segment, right?
There's different flavors that we could get into.
But it's the underlying grammar is essentially the same and the things that we highlighted.
And in a way, there is a lot of overlap with the gurus because like this thing about simultaneous casting, you know, that there's dissatisfaction, the world isn't right, things aren't going well.
You know, there's, there's, the institutions are lying to you, people are holding you back.
And you guys are the brave ones who are willing to look at this more deeply.
And how do you do that?
By subscribing to my content, by, you know, like being a part.
So these are all things that we've seen in the other gurus content, but it's just like here, it feels a little bit more cheesy at times and more self-helpy.
But the underlying psychological dynamics are the same.
And I think the interesting part is that this works.
Like you might think this is so silly.
Like who's going to fall for this?
But these guys are all millionaires.
And this kind of event will have led to a massive windfall for them.
So like, regardless of how easy it is to look down on people, you know, who fall for this or this, this kind of thing, they are pulling on the emotional strings of people that are vulnerable and getting them to depart with their hard-earned cash.
And like, you know, as you were saying at the start, Matt, you know, in like devil's advocate mode, but like, what's the, you know, what's the harm about giving people pep talks and whatever?
And it's because this, this is the bit that is the harm.
If this wasn't there, it's just like self-help.
That's it.
I mean, that's the thing.
That's the thing to be aware of when defending this kind of thing.
That last little bit with the pitch and the cell.
Yeah.
That's what all the rest of it was for.
Right.
All of the rest was, it might have seemed to be about journaling or confessions or finding happiness, whatever.
But actually, it was all a lead up to that.
That was the important thing.
Oh, and you know something else that struck me about this that I didn't know because I thought like self-help gurus, they would probably like kind of be isolated from each other because they're selling the same kind of thing.
So they wouldn't want to like make you aware.
But it's, it's actually not like that.
I mean, it might be like that in some quarters, but it seems like it's more that they're cross-promotional.
Collaborative.
And they're yeah, and collaborative.
And they're like, they're all promoting each other.
And, you know, even I don't know if the people appearing here are getting a cut or they're getting like an appearance fee or whatever, but they're getting exposure for their own courses.
Right.
And I'm sure it's so there's just that like affiliate marketing.
Well, it's great.
Well, that is obviously exactly what we see with the gurus, right?
It's all about cross-appearances, cross-promotional stuff, all a whole bunch of glazing, basically.
So yeah, I think it is a collaborative exercise.
Yeah, and you know, like, and they all have their little niches, they have their specialities.
Like, like, I think the underlying dynamic, you could, you know, if we wanted to take it very seriously and analyze it like Manvere does with shamans, you could go, okay, what they're all doing is that they're addressing some kind of psychological need or problem.
You know, some of them might be more money focused and more like, oh, this is how to be success and, you know, achieve your dreams and get the, get the fancy car.
Other ones could be more about alleviating anxiety and guilt and basically negative effect.
Yeah.
You know, other ones could have a more spiritual bent.
But, you know, so they all have their little specialities and they have their different tones.
But, you know, they're fundamentally doing the same kind of thing, but they do have market segmentation as well.
So I guess it makes sense to me, just like with our gurus who also specialize, it makes sense that they are collaborative because they have a lot more to gain by cooperating with each other than to lose.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there you go.
I look into a distasteful space.
Maybe we'll get round to Tony Robbins at some point.
And you can hear Matthew kind of interact with him again.
Well, yeah, it was good, Chris.
It was surprising to me on many levels.
There were many things that I listened to that I did not expect and made me smile.
I didn't realize.
I just didn't realize that the content would be so meagre.
You know, really, it really is.
Like they really have just like pasted together a bunch of aphorisms and platitudes.
That's what it is.
I want to emphasize to people that we are probably less than halfway through this event, right?
And Dean Grazio is going to come back out.
Matthew McConney is going to come back out.
Tony Robbins has come back out.
And it's the same thing.
A lot of it is you're here.
You want to be there.
There's actually a bit where he draws a diagram of like you, you know, where you want to be in like an arrow and a question mark.
And that's what we can decide today.
This is where we are, but we can decide to make a move.
So if you know where you are, then, you know, where do you want to go?
Sorry for the sloppy writing.
I could have done this with fancy slides, but it works better for me when it's, you can zoom this whole thing out so we can see the whole whiteboard.
So if you know where you are, I'd just like to put this on a 45 degree angle because we want our year next year, next month, five years from now to be better than it was last year, right?
Raise your hand if you want next year to be better than last year.
Who will not accept next year to be like last year, right?
So we want to go, and it's so sloppy, sorry, but that says, where do you want to go?
Now, this is going to lean into what Tony just shared, and I'm glad he did.
Because so many times in life, we know what we don't want.
I don't want this job.
I don't want to be alone anymore.
I don't want to feel insecure.
I don't want, I don't want, I don't want.
Well, when is the last time you knew boldly, if we were in an elevator and I said, hey, just met Soya McConaughey, where do you want to go?
That's the format.
It's just constantly saying, you know, couldn't things be better than what they are now?
And like, the answer is like, yeah.
Yeah, join us, sign up to this thing, and things will be better.
That is the promise.
But I mean, look, if anyone out there has had experience with these things, like, can you imagine any of them actually doing some kind of randomized placebo control trial to actually check whether or not any of this shit that they're charging money for actually works?
Could you imagine?
Because you could do it, right?
There's no reason you cannot.
It would be easy to do.
Yeah, but despite it being a shit, a billion dollar industry, just like complementary and alternative medicines, they have very little interest in actually checking whether or not their product works.
That's right.
That's right.
Well, speaking of products working and not, Matt, people have assessed our product.
They've looked at the code in the gurus.
How dare they provide feedback?
It's great.
Come on.
Yeah.
After all the work we put in.
Chris was up late.
You know, at least nine days.
Nine days ago was working on this.
Yeah, eight months of preparation.
But so I've got our review of reviews, Matt.
Just a short one, a little segment, because one of them I want to ding you for.
That's my motivation here.
So one, this is the positive one, five stars that we like.
My love for Matt and Chris is, dare I say, as encompassing and monstrous as that of Lex Friedman's love for mankind.
Let love of their decoding rein.
And that's Robsey in Ann Arbor, United States.
I love it.
See, that's how you do it, people.
That's how you do a review.
I think you should do something.
It'd be funny to do a review like that, but just give like two or three stars.
Let's mix messages.
I love them, but not as much as I could.
Well, the next one is Free Stars, Matt.
And this one, I kind of like these hyper-specific conflicts where people have like an issue and it's their issue, right?
But it's an issue with me, right?
You're going to take it.
It is.
Well, in a way, in a way, I'm also like a guilt by association here, but the title of this is Make Your Bed First.
Okay.
Now, these academics are quick to call out pseudoscience and grifting, yet remain blind to the immense harm caused by their own choices.
Okay.
I think I see where this is going.
So let's find out what our own choices that they're calling out are.
Like eating animals or displaying sentient beings in glass boxes.
Critiquing others while supporting industries built on suffering and environmental degradation isn't critical thinking.
It's selective ethics.
Take a break from podcasting and pick up some books from Kojo Caro, United States.
So I think this is related to your aquatic teal, Matt, where you mentioned having a tropical reef fish.
Yes.
That's it.
I didn't know.
Like, apparently, you know, not allowed fish, it is known.
So that's it.
But they threw in eating meat and we both ate.
So yeah, yeah.
So, you know, we're doubly guilty.
Doubly guilty.
The logic is hard to refute.
Yeah, it is hard to refute.
Those animals that I ate are no longer alive.
Well, look, I think factory farming, look, if it makes you feel better, person listening, people out there, I do agree that factory farming is a immoral crime for which we'll be judged by future generations.
I make better neat choices and egg choices whenever possible.
Yeah, but you put fish in glass jars and look at it.
Well, you know, this is where, you know, Chris, I will take this on the chin because I'm going to plead guilty.
I felt a little bit bad about keeping like saltwater fish.
I mean, it's irrational.
It doesn't make any sense.
Like, I have freshwater fish now, and I don't feel the least bit bad about that because they're bloody tetras, mate.
Like, they're the size of your thumb.
The glass box is, it's like 800 liters.
It's huge.
Like, to them, it's like a universe and it's full of plants and everything like that.
And they get fed every day.
They're very healthy and happy.
He justifies it to himself.
Like, I've also got dogs, right?
I'd say the fish in their own particular way are just as happy as the dogs.
There was an exchange that I had on the Patreon.
I was thinking like there was a little bit of anthropomorphism in regards to, you know, fish.
And I'm not saying that there aren't fish that, you know, are put in non-stimulating environments and don't have good quality of life.
You shouldn't keep them in a fishbowl.
Right.
Yes, agreed.
Agreed.
But there are also like a lot of fishes out there who's, they're not out living their best fish life is what I'll say.
Like, you know, they're living in a small pond that they're gobbled up by a frog, right?
Like, that's a good idea.
It's tough out there.
It's tough out there in the ponds and the creeks.
I just, I felt like a couple of people were imagining fish frolicking.
Yeah.
But, you know, I'm not saying that is everyone's objection.
But anyway, Matt, there you go.
But three stars.
So I kind of like that because they're like, you're moral monsters.
Three stars.
But you make a good podcast.
They're monsters, but they make a good podcast.
I like that.
It's tempered criticism.
But I did feel bad about you being, you know, fish.
And, you know, they're ethically sourced, right?
They breed them and stuff like that.
Like, they're not like, they're not rampaging through the seas.
And honestly, there are like, it is one of my pet things, right?
Like, ecology.
I'm not judging you.
It's a sensitive topic for me because I used to work for marine atmospheric sciences and I like scuba diving and I love the reef.
And lots of things are killing things in the oceans all the time, right?
There's like not you, not me.
I mean, I don't even, I just buy for the supermarket.
But, you know, there are, you know, terrible trawling practices.
There's, there's pollution and stuff like that causing absolute havoc to aquatic ecosystems.
That's, that's the thing that matters.
I'm just going to say.
Not saying it's not, you can't compare.
It doesn't mean that other unethical things are okay, but that is the thing.
That's a big thing.
Looks like we've had a nerve.
You know, you need to let that go, Matt.
Stop self-judging.
Yeah.
This is a no-judgment zone.
Yeah.
Well, I live over here in Japan.
The treatment of fish.
I don't know.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
That's right.
I do not participate in reality.
You can't talk about what goes on in Japan with respect to sea creatures because the person who made the review could be listening and they'll be traumatized.
I'm not going to.
Yeah, I'm not.
So just, yes, I'm in the glass box here.
I'm the one in the glass house.
I can't first donate.
But people that can't first don't smile are Patrons.
Yes.
Our Vietnamese.
Yes, they can.
We got to give them a shout.
They deserve it.
They've helped us long.
And, you know, we will not call you brave.
We will not say that.
We will not say that we're part of a community of love.
We won't do a lot of things.
Oh, yeah.
That's a very good point.
Actually, I mean, you know, we're deep in, I really should save this for when everyone will hear, but I'll repeat it next time.
So I'll just mention the Patreon comes with lots of benefits.
You get access to bonus content.
You get stuff early.
You get the decoding academia series if you're at a high enough tier.
But tell us, Chris, what does it not buy you?
What does it not buy you?
Thank you, Matt.
So I'm glad you asked.
Just to be clear, it does not, you pay us like $3 a month or whatever.
We're very eternally grateful for it.
It does not mean that I must agree with you or like say that is a good point that you've made.
Some people he won't even extend this courtesy to me, ladies and gentlemen.
No.
He's not going to do it for you.
That was never, does not in the terms of service rights.
Most people seem to get this, I think, but there's just a couple of times where people have been like unhappy at my response to something that they've said.
And largely it's because I've disagreed with them.
And on occasion, I might have been harsh.
Yeah, I was going to say, could it be how you disagreed with them?
Well, I only respond in tone to the tone that people deliver.
But that's the thing, right?
So if you write a rather snarky critical comment that I disagree with, I may respond in kind, right?
So, but that is, I'm afraid that's part and parcel of the Patreon.
So just bear that in mind.
Like factor that in.
Like, do I expect that paying this $3 will make Chris agree with anything that I comment on the Patreon?
If that is what you're thinking, maybe don't join because you're going to be disappointed.
Okay.
But I'm sure, you know, most people are not going to have terrible takes that I need to disagree with publicly, but it's just, it's an occupational hazard.
That's all.
Okay.
We're all agreed.
That's fine.
I don't have to agree with our Patreon members.
We're all good with that, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tough love.
Tough love.
That's how you know you're in a good place.
The people are not glazing you for at all.
The opposite of that.
Now you also do get access to my bulldozing videos, especially through the Patreon.
And that's for the corner, where the most wholesome spot on the internet.
So there are plenty of things.
These could be, what would you say they're worth?
$500 a month?
$800 a month.
At least, at least.
Wait, wait.
Do they get anything for free as well?
Like if they sign up, they'll get the main episodes, right?
Sure.
They'll get to Coding Academia.
Like, wow, that's worth $100 by itself.
Oh, there's the live streams.
Like, we're meeting up personally.
Yeah.
You get to reach out and touch us deep inside once a month.
You might think that would be worth $700.
You might think that.
You might think it's actually only $10.
That's the most you can think of.
That's the maximum.
There's no way to, even if you wanted to pay.
No, actually, there is a way you can.
You can specify your own amount, but it's actually very hard to do in Patreon, but you could do it.
I mean, there's no limit.
You could if you wanted.
And the other thing is, Matt, so you asked, are there other things that you get?
Well, you also get Matt's food corner.
We mentioned that you do get random at times when I do live streams, which we don't mention anywhere because there's like a function to stream.
So sometimes when I'm commuting, I use it as like a distraction in the car.
So you get that.
That's not the benefit that we advertise.
That's just not the way we advertise.
Now, you could say that this is merely a way for Chris to keep himself, his ADHD adult mind occupied while he's commuting and he's actually using you.
You could.
No, you wouldn't, but you shouldn't say it like that.
You should see it as like an added benefit that nobody knew about till now.
And there it is.
But I'm not promising them doing it.
So if it happens.
But how much does that cost, Chris, this access to this special?
That's right.
That's free.
That's free.
Oh, my God.
That's free, Matt.
Oh, my God.
It's added for no cost.
No cost.
Everyone gets it whether they want it or not.
But you don't have to go there.
It just like, you know, it is there on the stream.
But yes.
So that's all the benefits you can get, Matt.
And now we will shout out some people that have made the good decision of contributing at various levels.
You wouldn't want to miss out.
They are there already, like getting all the extra good stuff.
You could be like them.
They're living their best life.
They're all self-actualized.
And for the conspiracy hypothesizers, those that are on the $3 tier, let me just shout out some of them.
So we have Chabob, Ty, David Paul, GameZ Player, Working Net Torix, David Martino, Ewan Beck, Jeremy Lorde, Mark Little, Jesse Went, Gilly 2.1, Sarah SF, Dustin Markin, Rosie Stuffsevant,
Mick K.O. West, James Sharp, Aaron Allmark, Felix Swingeberger, Cormac Brennan, Bridget Wilson, James, Stefan Stapp, James Egan, Ken, Kurt S., Stuart Woodrich, Martin Buchan, Anna, Fiona, and Hans the High Maintenance Hole.
Hans the High Maintenance Hoe.
I like that.
And also, you mispronounced Stuffison, I think.
You said stuff.
Sorry, it was awful.
So I apologize to you.
Thank you for correcting that.
Okay.
Well, and here's the little side effect.
I feel like there was a conference that none of us were invited to that came to some very strong conclusions.
And they've all circulated this list of correct answers.
I wasn't at this conference.
This kind of shit makes me think, man, it's almost like someone is being paid.
Like when you hear these George Soro stories, he's trying to destroy the country from within.
We are not going to advance conspiracy theories.
We will advance conspiracy hypotheses.
Okay, good job there.
No, revolutionary geniuses, Matt.
The people who can get access to the decoding academia here.
And we'll be able to hear our review of the Buddhism book soon enough.
That includes Gerard Martin, William Bird, T.S., Scott McPherson, Bob Turbo, Henrik Hoyer, E.T., Michael Sutherland, Ingvar Vernar, David Garrado, Eamon Doyle, Thomas Brendan Darney,
Mary Taylor, John Sheehan, S.J., Nye Rothwell, Jordan Schnipke, Finn Weddell, Lewis Burke, Daniel Johnson, Jonas Acklin, Srikanth Sivak Sankaran, Hoppy Free03, Sam Stephenson, Daniel Marchin, Tom Wheatley, Aaron Isaac, BZB, Lena Neld Robinson, and Sam Heard Photography.
Revolutionary geniuses, one and all.
Fantastic.
I think I know Sam Heard Photography.
Yes.
Yes, we have shouted them out before, but they're back map.
Maybe they pick a brick, you know, it's possible.
Yeah, or maybe you're just getting confused in your shoutout orderings.
No, no, that's not possible.
But in either case, thank them one and all.
I'm usually running, I don't know, 70 or 90 distinct paradigms simultaneously all the time.
And it is not to try to collapse them down to a single master paradigm.
I'm someone who's a true polymath.
I'm all over the place.
But my main claim to fame, if you'd like, in academia is that I founded the field of evolutionary consumption.
Now, that's just a guess.
And it could easily be wrong.
But it also could not be wrong.
The fact that it's even plausible is stunning.
I just appreciate it.
It's funny you listen to these.
And every time you find something new to appreciate, I appreciate how the sense maker guy, whatever his name was, he doesn't just run 79 paradigms sometimes.
Jordan Hall.
Jordan Hall.
He runs them simultaneously all of the time.
Yeah.
All the time.
All the time.
He's on the toilet.
He's baking.
He's going for a walk.
The 79 paradigms are running simultaneously all the time.
In the context of his house, in the context of outside.
In the context of watching the television.
Yeah.
That's it.
Well, actually, he has collapsed them down to your master paradigm, though, because he became a Christian.
My God.
Never mind that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But now, Matt, our Galaxy Brian gurus, the shining stars of the Guru Night, the ones that can actually join us on the live streams once a month, should they wish to inflict that upon themselves?
What a rarity.
Yeah.
They include Lorenzo Savecci, David McGahn, Tomoya Bowen, James Booney, Kind Word Hearts Fellow.
I hope that's his real name.
Greg Van Dyke, Mickey Cohen, ZV, Emma, Jaguar9400, GD Ajibola, Jeffrey Godwin, Taylor Voss Smith, Mugwump, and Joey Joe Joe Jr.
Shabadu.
Wow.
Some fun names there, Chris.
Some fun names.
Yeah.
Yep.
I appreciate the support.
And please do join the live chat if it works with your schedule.
Yeah, you can look at the recording.
They're fun.
They're good.
Yeah, we enjoy them.
A lot of life advice tools right there.
Important advice.
That's right.
Like Matthew McConaughey, you know, don't get to talk to every one of you, but I look at those messages there and I'm just, you know.
Yeah, that's it.
He's talking about them for months after.
Did you see that one, Chris?
Remember that one?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Here, you know, thank you all anyway.
We tried to warn people.
Yeah.
Like what was coming, how it was going to come in, the fact that it was everywhere and in everything.
Considering me tribal just doesn't make any sense.
I have no tribe.
I'm in exile.
Think again, sunshine.
Yeah.
We actually do have some updated clips that I need to put in.
Martin Welceless sent us new ones.
So look forward to an update coming soon.
But that's us for today, Matt.
We've done our duty to the discourse.
It's time for you to go and interpret your wet dreams.
I'm almost 50 years old, Chris.
Please be realistic.
Yes, yes, yes.
Well, I do have wild dreams.
It's tempting to interpret them because of the melatonin.
It's wild, wild stuff.
But no sex involving snakes on a river in Africa.
Not yet.
Not yet.
wait till tonight after all this decoding.
And yeah, just, you know, a last message.
Just be safe out there, everyone.
Like, keep an eye on these guys.
They're not your friends.
Mafia McConaughey doesn't want to ride in the car with you.
He's too busy.
So, yeah.
A lot of sneak man, no, sneak oil sales funds.
Yeah, that's very sweet.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, though, it's the same principle.
If you're buying a car, a used car, you know, it's just, you know, signing up for something, you know, whatever.
Podcast thing, just don't be, don't be cynical like Chris.
You know, still keep a heart.
You know, you've got to have a heart.
You've got to have trust.
You know, you've got to hold on to that.
Let's agree today to all be 5% more trusting.
Okay, just 5%.
Like they said, it's not a lot.
It's not a lot they ask.
Okay, so that's our message.
5%, but of the right people.
Of the right people.
That 5% doesn't include that particular program with Matthew McConaughey.
We do not endorse that.
That's in the remaining 25% that should remain in the Do Not Trust category.
Yeah, yeah.
But our affiliate links will be available in the show notes.
