Dinesh D'Souza - ISLAM RUINS EVERYTHING
Aired: 2026-05-04
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=== Supreme Court Racial Gerrymandering (15:02) ===

[00:01:15]  Our Constitution is colorblind and neither knows nor tolerates classes among citizens.
[00:01:21]  That's Justice John Harlan in his dissenting opinion in the case of Plessy v. Ferguson.
[00:01:27]  The case dates back to 1896.
[00:01:30]  It was the infamous Supreme Court decision that affirmed the constitutionality of segregation laws throughout the United States.
[00:01:38]  Basically, the Plessy decision held that segregation laws were reasonable, that it made sense for laws to discriminate on the basis of race, that legal discrimination.
[00:01:48]  Sometimes promoted the public good.
[00:01:51]  Harlan, we must remember, was in the minority.
[00:01:53]  Harlan objected to the majority opinion, holding that no public authority had the right to even know the race of citizens, let alone to use it as the basis of lawful discrimination.
[00:02:06]  This is the colorblind doctrine.
[00:02:08]  Yet, it has never, for any consistent period, been the law of the United States.
[00:02:13]  It has never, in any previous era, been upheld by the Supreme Court as a constitutional.
[00:02:19]  Requirement.
[00:02:20]  May seem shocking, but it's true.
[00:02:22]  Many have long aspired for America to be a colorblind society in its laws and its policies, but never before have our laws systematically put this ideal into effect.
[00:02:33]  But now, with a series of Supreme Court decisions culminating in the most recent one, the Calais decision last week, striking down race based gerrymandering, the court has for the first time lined up solidly behind the colorblind Constitution.
[00:02:48]  In the ringing words, Of Justice Roberts, which I think will find their way into the history books one day.
[00:02:54]  The way to stop discriminating on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.
[00:03:02]  The institutionalization of colorblindness at the heart of our jurisprudence may well be the Roberts Court's most important legacy.
[00:03:10]  The Calais decision, Louisiana versus Calais, arose because of the decision of a federal judge to require the state of Louisiana to create an additional majority black.
[00:03:20]  Congressional district.
[00:03:21]  Think about that.
[00:03:22]  The Constitution gives the states the power to draw congressional districts within each state, and yet a federal judge said, No, the Constitution requires more black representation in Louisiana, so I am ordering you to create a new district so that the black majority there can elect a black representative.
[00:03:40]  Wow.
[00:03:41]  The consequence of these judicial edicts, which draw their authority from Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, is not merely to create additional black representation.
[00:03:51]  Louisiana But also to give an additional seat to the Democrats, since these majority black districts almost inevitably vote Democratic.
[00:04:01]  So there's an important partisan consequence to race based gerrymandering.
[00:04:05]  It forces the creation of Democratic districts in the Republican South.
[00:04:11]  It grants through judicial edict what the Democrats cannot win through the political process.
[00:04:16]  In effect, it lets courts tip the balance of power toward the Democrats and against the Republicans.
[00:04:23]  The Supreme Court, in a 6 3 decision, our side versus their side, basically said enough of this, enough of this race counting, enough of this using the supposed fight against racial discrimination to justify boosting the fortunes of the Democratic Party.
[00:04:38]  Gerrymandering is fine and it's done by both parties, but racial gerrymandering has to go.
[00:04:44]  At this point, a giant howl has gone up from leading Democrats, from Barack Obama to Hillary Clinton and all the way down the gangster totem pole.
[00:04:53]  Obama said the conservative majority on the court.
[00:04:56]  Had gutted the Voting Rights Act.
[00:04:57]  He accused the court of failing in its duty to protect, quote, minority rights from, quote, majority overreach.
[00:05:04]  Chuck Schumer accused the court of, quote, turning its back on one of the most sacred promises of American democracy, the promise that every voice counts.
[00:05:14]  The Democrats' objections sound like they're coming from a place of high principle.
[00:05:18]  Let's uphold minority rights and civil rights.
[00:05:20]  Let's make sure every vote counts.
[00:05:23]  But these high principles are applied in a one way fashion.
[00:05:27]  Obama came out strongly against Texas gerrymandering, which gave the Republicans an advantage.
[00:05:33]  He came out strongly in favor of Virginia gerrymandering, which gave the Democrats an advantage.
[00:05:39]  This is pure power politics.
[00:05:41]  It has nothing to do with principle.
[00:05:43]  From Obama's point of view, when Republicans do it, it's bad.
[00:05:46]  When Democrats do the same thing, it's good.
[00:05:48]  And this is precisely the basis for Obama's whine about the Supreme Court, quote, gutting Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act.
[00:05:55]  In reality, the court did no such thing.
[00:05:58]  Obama's simply objecting to the result.
[00:06:00]  Lower courts can no longer force Democratic wins in the Republican South.
[00:06:06]  What does Chuck Schumer mean when he says black voices no longer count?
[00:06:11]  The Supreme Court didn't say blacks can't vote.
[00:06:13]  Blacks can vote the same way that whites can vote.
[00:06:15]  Blacks and whites have the same rights.
[00:06:17]  More precisely, all of us who are American citizens of eligible age can vote.
[00:06:22]  Voting isn't a group right, it's an individual right.
[00:06:24]  This isn't an issue of majorities versus minorities.
[00:06:27]  We are all in this country a minority of one.
[00:06:31]  What Schumer really means is that blacks, as a minority, must be guaranteed a certain level of congressional representation.
[00:06:38]  Blacks must be put in a position to elect black representatives.
[00:06:42]  If this alters the power balance to favor the Democrats, Schumer is obviously happy about that.
[00:06:47]  He'll take the artificial advantage that this whole way of thinking gives to his own side, especially if it can be packaged as a mere enforcement of constitutional principles and civil rights.
[00:06:58]  Now, by ending racial gerrymandering as a constitutional or statutory requirement, the Supreme Court has leveled the political playing field.
[00:07:08]  Now, if Virginia gerrymanders in favor of the left, Louisiana, Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina can gerrymander in favor of the right.
[00:07:18]  Gerrymandering is sometimes distasteful when carried to extremes.
[00:07:22]  Some of these districts are so contorted, so winding, so geometrically ridiculous that the partisanship seems naked and contrived.
[00:07:30]  I don't like it, but at least it's part of the push and pull, the give and take of American politics.
[00:07:34]  The two parties are being partisan.
[00:07:36]  Hey, that's what politics is all about.
[00:07:39]  Racial gerrymandering is a whole different matter.
[00:07:43]  And now the Supreme Court has given the Southern states Where forced minority districts have been the norm over the past several decades, a green light to get rid of them.
[00:07:52]  This would seem to give the Republicans somewhere between three and six additional seats in the midterms and an even bigger advantage, maybe as much as 12 additional seats in 2028.
[00:08:03]  Democrats are warning that they can do additional gerrymandering in blue states, but this would invite additional gerrymandering in red states.
[00:08:10]  This is a game the Republicans would win as long as they go to it with the same fervor as Democrats.
[00:08:16]  A study by the Progressive Group 538 says.
[00:08:19]  If both parties max out on gerrymandering, the House would end up with 262 Republicans and 173 Democrats.
[00:08:27]  That's because Republicans control more state governments with multiple districts, and Democratic voters congregate in cities, so it's easy for the GOP to pack Democratic voters into fewer districts.
[00:08:39]  262 to 173, it's a very satisfying result.
[00:08:42]  The last time the Republicans had 262 or more seats was the 71st Congress, elected in November 1928, before the Great Depression.
[00:08:53]  If the Democrats want to play, Gerrymandering hardball.
[00:08:56]  I'm up for it.
[00:08:57]  Let the games begin.
[00:08:59]  Now, the other type of hardball the left is threatening is to stack the Supreme Court.
[00:09:02]  Hakeem Jeffries, the Democratic Party leader in the House, said, if Democrats take the House, we're going to have to do something about the Supreme Court.
[00:09:10]  In the new Congress, we're going to have to do something about this Supreme Court.
[00:09:13]  And let me be very clear everything is on the table, everything to deal with this corrupt MAGA majority that is issuing political opinions that are designed to bolster the prospects of the Republican Party.
[00:09:29]  And we will not allow them to succeed.
[00:09:32]  Yeah, he's talking about court packing.
[00:09:35]  But again, Two can play at this game.
[00:09:37]  Democrats want to add three new seats.
[00:09:39]  Hey, I'd like to see a movement in the GOP to add 17 new justices to the court.
[00:09:44]  It would be nice to have a 23 to 3 majority.
[00:09:47]  Democrats need to recognize that we too can play the game of stacking the court.
[00:09:53]  The Supreme Court's Calais decision is certainly a win for us in terms of power politics.
[00:09:57]  Most commentators on the left and the right have recognized this, but you know, something bigger and wider is going on here, and that's what I want to focus on.
[00:10:05]  Basically, Calais represents the final nail in the coffin of race.
[00:10:10]  Based jurisprudence.
[00:10:12]  Let's check out the pattern.
[00:10:13]  First, the Supreme Court said no to racial discrimination in college admissions.
[00:10:19]  Then the court said that whites in the workplace cannot have a higher burden to prove racial bias or racial discrimination than blacks do.
[00:10:27]  Now the court is saying no to mandatory black voting districts.
[00:10:32]  For more than half a century, since the Civil Rights Revolution of the 1960s, the Supreme Court has said that there are two kinds of discrimination good discrimination and bad discrimination.
[00:10:43]  Discrimination in favor of blacks.
[00:10:45]  Good.
[00:10:45]  Discrimination in favor of other minorities, good.
[00:10:48]  Discrimination in favor of whites, bad.
[00:10:51]  So there's this big distinction between benign discrimination and invidious discrimination.
[00:10:56]  That's what's created the whole affirmative action and DEI culture of the past several decades.
[00:11:02]  That's what's created these compulsory minority districts in the South.
[00:11:06]  This is what is screwed over whites and men and Republicans and all with apparent constitutional and statutory sanction.
[00:11:13]  And when our side complained, their side simply said, it's the law.
[00:11:17]  Now, it's tempting for me to say the Supreme Court is now just going back to the colorblind ideal and rejecting the color coded leftist jurisprudence of the past 50 years.
[00:11:27]  But the Supreme Court is doing more than that.
[00:11:30]  It's affirming the colorblind principle across the board for the first time in American history.
[00:11:36]  It's taking the unprecedented step of rejecting the underlying idea of good discrimination and bad discrimination.
[00:11:43]  Let's recall Plessy v. Ferguson, the segregation decision of the 1890s.
[00:11:48]  Plessy was based on the idea.
[00:11:49]  There's good and reasonable discrimination, and that's why segregation should be allowed.
[00:11:54]  The Democratic Party was on the side of segregation in those days, and it still is.
[00:11:58]  The only difference is that Democrats then favored political segregation in favor of whites, and now they favor political segregation in favor of blacks.
[00:12:07]  What is a compulsory black voting district if not an expression of political segregation?
[00:12:12]  Segregation means that whites are expected to vote for whites, and blacks are expected to vote for blacks.
[00:12:19]  Their commitment to segregation.
[00:12:21]  They merely shifted their allegiance from one type of segregation to another, and all for their own political benefit.
[00:12:28]  The big change in American politics in the 20th century is that early in the century, white power was a political winner.
[00:12:35]  But as racism declined, whites stopped thinking in terms of white power.
[00:12:38]  Blacks, on the other hand, never stopped thinking in terms of black power.
[00:12:43]  In fact, as whites became less conscious of their race, blacks became more conscious of theirs.
[00:12:48]  So, when the political winds shifted from white power to black power, Democrats shifted from advocating white segregated schools and white water fountains to advocating black segregated voting districts.
[00:13:00]  So, forget about the nonsense you often hear about the big switch.
[00:13:03]  Democrats never switched from being power hungry crooks.
[00:13:07]  They have always exploited race for political ends.
[00:13:10]  This hasn't changed from 1896, from Plessy versus Ferguson, to the present.
[00:13:15]  The colorblind ideal was invented, oddly enough, by a Southern planter, Thomas Jefferson.
[00:13:20]  When he said that all men are created equal, not equal in intelligence or capacity, but equal in rights.
[00:13:26]  It follows that rights accrue to us as individuals.
[00:13:29]  Rewards should be based on merit.
[00:13:31]  We ought to be judged by the content of our character.
[00:13:34]  We vote as individual citizens, not as members of racial groups.
[00:13:38]  It is this ideal that Harlan tried unsuccessfully to impress on the Supreme Court in the late 19th century.
[00:13:45]  Legal scholar Andrew Cull, in his book, The Colorblind Constitution, argues that colorblindness was the ideal that the Republican Party stood for.
[00:13:53]  During the Reconstruction period and beyond, it was also the principle that the early civil rights movement, including groups like the NAACP, argued before the Supreme Court over many decades.
[00:14:05]  Yet the court never went for it.
[00:14:07]  Despite all the colorblind rhetoric of the 1960s, despite even the colorblind language of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, despite the one man, one vote anchor of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, courts high and low moved quickly to quash, to smash the colorblind application of those principles.
[00:14:24]  Affirmative action, DEI, compulsory.
[00:14:27]  Black voting districts came right on the heels of the civil rights laws of the 1960s.
[00:14:32]  We've had them ever since.
[00:14:34]  As early as 1995, I spelled out the disastrous effects of racial preferences and race conscious policies.
[00:14:40]  My book, The End of Racism, is my most ambitious tome.
[00:14:43]  It runs to over 600 pages with 2,000 footnotes.
[00:14:49]  Even so, it makes for relevant reading today, even 30 years later.
[00:14:52]  Why?
[00:14:53]  Because it anticipated trends that have become worse, it warned of things that have come to pass.
[00:14:57]  And it presented solutions that are now, at long last, coming into sight.
[00:15:02]  One such solution is the Supreme Court's Calais decision.
[00:15:06]  The good news about the decision isn't merely that Republicans gain more seats, it is also that our democracy has been reset on a colorblind foundation.
[00:15:15]  Blacks must now express their political preferences by voting for candidates, white or black, who best represent them.
[00:15:21]  The same is true for whites, Asian Americans, and everyone else.
[00:15:25]  Brown districts.
[00:15:28]  There are only districts politically drawn for the people who happen to live there.
[00:15:32]  Our society becomes less racialized, less racially divided.
[00:15:37]  We become one people, black and white and brown, rather than a society of balkanized racial tribes.
[00:15:43]  Race diminishes in importance.
[00:15:45]  It merely becomes the painted face, merely, quote, skin deep.
[00:15:49]  No more voting districts for anyone based on their skin color.
[00:15:52]  The same is true for university admissions, job hiring, government contracts, and the like.
[00:15:57]  You don't get an advantage because you're white.
[00:15:59]  And you don't get an advantage because you're black.
[00:16:01]  Blacks and whites have the same rights, so do men and women, so do gays and straights.
[00:16:05]  We are all in this country a minority of one.
[00:16:08]  Now, this is a profound change, and we are privileged to be here to see it.
[00:16:13]  I'm tired of reading and hearing all the foolishness about how the Supreme Court is no good.

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[00:16:27]  On the critical issues, the Supreme Court is coming through, not just by backing the right.
[00:16:32]  But also by taking the right side.
[00:16:34]  I'm a fan of Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, but I'm also a fan of Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett.
[00:16:40]  I'm even a fan of Chief Justice Roberts.
[00:16:43]  Yeah, I said it, not because I support all his positions, but because he has led the judicial colorblind revolution.
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=== Freedom Is Messy And Chaotic (08:10) ===

[00:20:08]  Danny Bermawi was born in Jordan, grew up there, moved to Lebanon.
[00:20:13]  He is a convert to Christianity, but he has a deep understanding of the Islamic world.
[00:20:19]  He's the founder of an organization, IDI, the Ideological Defense Institute.
[00:20:24]  He's also the author of Islam, Israel, and the West.
[00:20:29]  Danny, thanks for joining me.
[00:20:32]  I want to.
[00:20:33]  As we enter this critical phase of the Iran conflict, begin by talking about what I'm going to call the Tucker Carlson perspective.
[00:20:44]  Now, President Trump recently did a kind of a massive slam dunk on it, but a lot of young people are attracted to it.
[00:20:51]  And I want to spell it out a little bit.
[00:20:53]  The perspective, as I understand it, is this the United States has entered into a catastrophic and self destructive alliance with Israel, but our true friends, Are not in Israel.
[00:21:06]  They are, in fact, in the Islamic world.
[00:21:09]  We have a lot of commonalities, perhaps theological, certainly cultural and political.
[00:21:15]  Islam is a conservative society.
[00:21:17]  Jesus is a prophet in Islam, whereas the Jews reject Christ.
[00:21:23]  And the idea here is that the United States would do better to dissociate from Israel and perhaps make new friends in countries like Iran.
[00:21:37]  Now, all of this might have been shocking a few years, certainly a few decades ago, but it is finding a receptive ear, as you know.
[00:21:45]  I'd like you, as somebody who has a real inside knowledge of the region and what's going on, to address if a young guy said, you know, Danny, we're on the wrong track here as Americans, what would you say?
[00:22:00]  Well, first of all, thank you for having me, Dinesh.
[00:22:04]  I've learned that if you talk passionately, About anything, people would believe you.
[00:22:12]  Because if you know how to come off as genuine, as a true believer, and that's how Tucker Carlson comes off to his followers.
[00:22:22]  He believes what he's saying, even though, according to him, he travels a lot, he knows the truth.
[00:22:29]  He knows that in Israel there is freedom.
[00:22:34]  And in the Islamic world, there is no freedom.
[00:22:37]  And he didn't forget that, but he is actually hiding the truth.
[00:22:43]  He's trying to sell a version of the Islamic word to the West that is the appearance, the surface, without what is being repressed, being pushed to the side.
[00:22:59]  And that is all about freedom.
[00:23:01]  For example, I'll give you an example.
[00:23:03]  A few months ago, he referred to Baltimore.
[00:23:05]  He said, Oh, Baltimore, the site of the crime.
[00:23:08]  Dubai, it's amazing.
[00:23:10]  Look what Sharia law produced.
[00:23:13]  It's like, well, Dubai is a successful, prosperous city in a prosperous, successful country, not because of Sharia or because of Islam, but in spite of Islam.
[00:23:26]  The United Arab Emirates, amazing country.
[00:23:28]  I love the leadership of the United Arab Emirates.
[00:23:31]  They're genuine, they're true to this kind of modernization.
[00:23:37]  But since that time of Sheikh Zayed in the 70s, they did not focus on The regional core idea of the caliphate, the reestablishment of the Islamic State, they were focused on prosperity and progress.
[00:23:56]  Sheikh Zayed, because they're not Arab Americans, is a new country.
[00:24:00]  So they got the chance to import a lot of the Western values.
[00:24:05]  And their entire system has the Islamic shell.
[00:24:08]  If you go to Dubai, to Abu Dhabi, you walk there in the malls, you will hear the Adan or the prayer call recitation.
[00:24:16]  But in fact, the laws in the country have absolutely nothing to do with Islam.
[00:24:23]  I mean, cohabitation is the latest thing they decriminalize, I would say, in the country.
[00:24:31]  So it was the importation of the Western values, Western system that made Dubai successful.
[00:24:38]  On the other hand, Baltimore, this is the price of freedom.
[00:24:45]  Freedom is messy, it's chaotic.
[00:24:48]  Freedom will always feel inconvenient.
[00:24:54]  To people, especially to those who care about the surface, the appearance, not the substance, not the reality of things.
[00:25:06]  So, in a free society like the United States, because you're free to do whatever you want, there's no shame on our culture, people are allowed to show their failures, their dirty things.
[00:25:25]  You know, they're not ashamed of them because it's their choices.
[00:25:30]  And a culture that is built on superficiality, performance based religions, people know how to hide their shortcomings.
[00:25:43]  So that's the problem.
[00:25:46]  And Tucker, he completely ignores that reality.
[00:25:49]  Seems to me part of what's going on also in Baltimore is you have, you know, the progressive left is running the city.
[00:25:57]  They've got policies that are sympathetic or at least lenient toward crime.
[00:26:03]  They cultivate the homeless as an industry because it has political benefits.
[00:26:07]  I agree with you.
[00:26:08]  This is part of the message.
[00:26:09]  I'm not only talking about Baltimore, I'm talking about the West in general.
[00:26:11]  Because he chose Baltimore as an example.
[00:26:15]  But actually, this argument is part of a wider argument where they say look at the immorality, look at what's happening in the West.
[00:26:25]  Hey, listen, everything that is happening in the West when it comes to How moral the society is or immoral.
[00:26:32]  It's happening in the Islamic countries and all over the world.
[00:26:34]  This is the human nature.
[00:26:36]  This is our nature.
[00:26:37]  But some countries, they know how to hide it.
[00:26:40]  That's it.
[00:26:40]  Speaking of hiding, you talk about what I noticed with Tucker is the selectivity of his guests.
[00:26:47]  For example, it is to me almost inconceivable he'd have you on because you would be a walking time bomb for him.
[00:26:55]  But he carefully screens his guests.
[00:26:59]  And he practices what I would call ventriloquist journalism.
[00:27:03]  In other words, he asks questions as if he's scratching his head, he's really wondering what they're about to say.
[00:27:08]  They say what he exactly expects him to say, in fact, what he believes himself, but he professes to be shocked, astounded, blown away by their insights.
[00:27:17]  Talk about one of the guests that he had recently that you know.
[00:27:20]  I heard you, I overheard you talking to another guest just a few minutes ago, and you said, I had people who had different views, but I'm going to put all of that there.
[00:27:31]  I don't care.
[00:27:32]  So, you're not going to hide one view.
[00:27:36]  You're not going to amplify the view that you embrace.
[00:27:40]  And I really appreciate that.
[00:27:42]  And how I know that, it's because how you dealt with me preparing for this interview.
[00:27:49]  You didn't ask me to say certain things.
[00:27:52]  You did not dictate me any.
[00:27:54]  So, I'm kissing a few questions that, you know, in general, I don't believe that Tucker is doing any of that since October 7th.
[00:28:02]  I believe that all of his interviews are orchestrated, they're staged in a way to frame Israel as a demon and to fracture this line between the evangelicals in America and Israel.

=== Cognitive Dissonance In Islam (14:48) ===

[00:28:18]  And this is in service of the Islamic project.
[00:28:22]  Now, this is not about Israel.
[00:28:25]  Let me be clear here.
[00:28:28]  When I started doing this, after I left the Middle East, God is my witness.
[00:28:33]  I had no idea, I had no planning to support Israel, to talk about Israel.
[00:28:40]  I wouldn't even think about any of that.
[00:28:43]  It's like, this is politics.
[00:28:45]  I'm an evangelist, a theologian, a preacher, so I'm not going to talk about politics.
[00:28:51]  But what happened is that I realized this demonization of Israel is actually a hidden agenda for that, and that is the rebranding of Islamic Jihad in the West.
[00:29:07]  And this rebranding started way back in the mid of the 20th century.
[00:29:14]  There were like a lot of players, one of them is the United States and the West.
[00:29:20]  They benefited from rebranding Islamic Jihad.
[00:29:24]  During the 80s, you know, the CIA working with Al Qaeda against the Soviets, yeah.
[00:29:31]  The invasion of Afghanistan.
[00:29:32]  So they had to, you know, frame Islamic jihadists to the American people, to the American public as, you know, freedom fighters.
[00:29:41]  But of course, then 9 11 happened and Islam was attached to terrorism.
[00:29:47]  There was backlash on the street of the West, but the Western governments thought, okay, we need to absorb this backlash because.
[00:29:57]  It's going to get really ugly.
[00:29:59]  So, George W. Bush said, Okay, Islam is a religion of peace.
[00:30:03]  Islam has nothing to do with this.
[00:30:05]  This was not rebranding, but it was actually an intentional rebranding of Islamic Jihad.
[00:30:12]  And since then, Islamic Jihad is being presented to the public as liberation movements, response to imperialism, resistance to occupation.
[00:30:29]  And here is how the Islamic movements and the radical lefts found this surety ground.
[00:30:37]  I mean, did we see it also in the Iranian Revolution, where the left partnered with the mullahs to go after the Shah?
[00:30:46]  And in fact, you see women in the aftermath of the revolution giving you the thumbs up as if to say, feminism has just won a great victory with the ouster of the Shah.
[00:30:57]  And so you see the roots of the Red Green Alliance.
[00:31:02]  Even there in the 70s?
[00:31:04]  Of course.
[00:31:06]  Listen, why would a transgender support Hamas?
[00:31:12]  What is going on there?
[00:31:14]  Of course, this is like the intersectionality and all grievances are in one group.
[00:31:20]  But what's happening there is this my society did not accept me.
[00:31:28]  And my society, they support Israel.
[00:31:32]  Therefore, Israel and my society, they're on the same side.
[00:31:36]  I am on the opposite side.
[00:31:39]  And Hamas is on my side.
[00:31:41]  I take you to be saying that the real power of the Red Green Alliance is that the red can use the green as a cudgel against the West, and the green can use the red for the same purpose.
[00:31:56]  Yeah, but the red is so stupid not to recognize this.
[00:32:01]  They think that they can contain Islam, they think they can control it and.
[00:32:08]  Utilize it.
[00:32:09]  Embracing that and pushing for that, that project is anti West, anti humanity, Islamic supremacy.
[00:32:20]  So, when you support that project, you are destroying the future generation.
[00:32:30]  And so that's why they are useful idiots.
[00:32:33]  Let's drill into this Islamic project by going to the very root.
[00:32:40]  Of Islam, the very beginning.
[00:32:43]  Islam, of course, begins with the Prophet, Muhammad.
[00:32:47]  And you've argued that in some ways the Islamic project can be seen in miniature in Muhammad's own life.
[00:32:57]  Can you give an example or two of what you mean by that?
[00:33:01]  So there are a lot of theories out there by different scholars.
[00:33:07]  Some would say Muhammad never existed, some would say.
[00:33:13]  Islamic jihad is the product of German philosophies.
[00:33:19]  It doesn't matter which school of thought we're talking about here, the reality on the ground is that we have an Islam that looks like Muhammad's life.
[00:33:31]  The life of Muhammad that is recorded, the one and only life of Muhammad that is recorded in both traditions, Shia or Sunni, they believe the same story about Muhammad.
[00:33:45]  And that's why Islam is a monolithic entity.
[00:33:49]  Islam is not diverse, wide, different school of interpretation.
[00:33:55]  That is false.
[00:33:57]  Islamic different sects disagree on ridiculous things.
[00:34:02]  How to wash your hands, which part constitutes a face, is it from here or from here?
[00:34:09]  Ridiculous things.
[00:34:11]  But the main pillar of Islam, no one disagrees on them.
[00:34:17]  The life of Muhammad, his perfect example, ideal life, Shia, Sunni, Sufi, everybody agrees with that.
[00:34:28]  Muhammad has a friend.
[00:34:30]  You've written about this.
[00:34:31]  His friend discovers that his father is an unbeliever and he beheads his own dad.
[00:34:38]  This is just one story.
[00:34:39]  It's like out of thousands of stories.
[00:34:42]  But what is the lesson you're getting at here?
[00:34:43]  It's like I used actually this story that you're referring to.
[00:34:47]  It was Abu Ubaidah Amr bin Jarrah in the second grade.
[00:34:49]  I was only six, seven years old.
[00:34:51]  And it was in our Arabic language textbook.
[00:34:56]  It was a story about this person who beheaded his own father.
[00:35:00]  They were in the battle of Badr.
[00:35:03]  So it was like a battle between Muslims and non Muslims.
[00:35:06]  And he killed his own father.
[00:35:07]  And Allah praised him in the Quran.
[00:35:10]  He praised that specific act.
[00:35:13]  This is not interpretation.
[00:35:14]  This is like we call it in the Islamic word, Asbab and Nizul, the reasons of the revelation, why this verse was revealed.
[00:35:21]  So this is the sanctification.
[00:35:24]  Of violence.
[00:35:25]  Violence is sanctified in Islam.
[00:35:28]  So let me talk a little bit about this because this is very important.
[00:35:31]  What is the difference between Christian violence and Islamic violence, for example?
[00:35:36]  Because many people would say, oh, look at the Christianity, they used to be very violent in the past, and look at all the witch hunting and all of that, forced conversion.
[00:35:47]  Well, in Islam, violence is sanctified, it is worship, it is a virtue, it is something you do to please Allah.
[00:35:57]  In Christianity, whatever violence that we're talking about, even though I completely disagree that the Crusades were campaigns, violent campaigns against innocent people, they were actually a response to Islamic conquest for four centuries.
[00:36:14]  But anyway, Christian violence is not sanctified.
[00:36:18]  It's like you always, even if you are committing a violent act, you would be like asking yourself, it's like, Oh, probably I should repent.
[00:36:29]  In Islam, you want more of that violence because it's sanctified.
[00:36:34]  It's a divine mandate.
[00:36:35]  So, but anyway, back to that point Muhammad's life, Muhammad's actions, how Muhammad dealt with the sense, for example Muhammad would kill anyone who criticizes him.
[00:36:50]  There was a poet, her name is Asma bint Marwan.
[00:36:54]  She criticized Muhammad in a poem.
[00:36:58]  And Muhammad, he has a very famous phrase he always used Who would rid me of this person?
[00:37:09]  Just for criticizing it.
[00:37:11]  And one of his companions, he actually went during the night and he found her sleeping between her children, and her child was on her chest.
[00:37:23]  So he removed him and he stabbed her.
[00:37:27]  And then he was questioning if what he did was right.
[00:37:31]  Because it was horrific.
[00:37:34]  So he asked Muhammad, he said, What I did, is it right?
[00:37:40]  Muhammad said, Don't worry about it.
[00:37:42]  You have served Allah and His Prophet.
[00:37:45]  So when you learn these things about Muhammad, and that's why I tell all of these false reformists who would say, Oh, Islam is, you know, a lot of different interpretations.
[00:37:58]  What interpretations are we talking about?
[00:38:01]  What interpretations?
[00:38:02]  How are you going to interpret?
[00:38:04]  If you find the infidels behead them, this is in the Quran.
[00:38:09]  They would say, oh, there's like hysterical context.
[00:38:12]  Okay, hysterical context, but I don't care because this is the attributes of God, this is the character of God.
[00:38:19]  So when your God, when the God that you worship, reflects this kind of behavior or teachings or doctrines, whatever, at any point in time, then this defines him.
[00:38:35]  He's violent.
[00:38:36]  Now, I know that the argument sometimes they go to the Old Testament and the Torah, it's like a lot of violence.
[00:38:43]  God is ordering his people to massacre children.
[00:38:48]  And well, there's a difference between prescriptive and descriptive commandments or stories.
[00:38:58]  In Islam, it's prescriptive, it's like, go and do it.
[00:39:01]  I think we need to clarify an important point here.
[00:39:03]  You know, sometimes when people talk about the U.S. Constitution, There is a progressive or liberal view that we have a living constitution.
[00:39:10]  And what they mean by this is that the meaning of the constitution evolves according to time.
[00:39:16]  I think what you're saying is that this is not the Islamic view of the Quran.
[00:39:21]  The Quran contains a truth, a revealed truth that is applicable at all times and at all places.
[00:39:29]  This was Islam.
[00:39:31]  This is Islam.
[00:39:32]  There is no other Islam.
[00:39:34]  Absolutely.
[00:39:34]  I agree with you.
[00:39:36]  So, in Islam, the Quran is eternal, the eternal word of God.
[00:39:42]  So, you don't get to interpret it.
[00:39:44]  You don't get to think about it.
[00:39:48]  Actually, you're not allowed to think about what the Quran means because Muhammad has taught Muslims what the Quran means.
[00:39:57]  So, this is called the Bab al Ijtihad, or Ijtihad is like a struggle to understand the text.
[00:40:06]  It was closed a thousand years ago in Islam.
[00:40:08]  You're not supposed to be to Ijtihad to extract meaning.
[00:40:14]  But anyway, the most important thing is that.
[00:40:19]  Christians in the West need to understand the difference between Islam and Christianity.
[00:40:23]  Islam is not just a typical religion like Christianity.
[00:40:27]  The Quran is not compared to the Bible.
[00:40:32]  This is like a false comparison.
[00:40:34]  The Quran is compared to Jesus Christ in the Christian theology.
[00:40:39]  Jesus is the Word of God incarnated.
[00:40:43]  The Quran is the Word of God incarnated.
[00:40:46]  The Word of God in Islam took the body of paper and ink.
[00:40:50]  That is the body that the Quran lives in.
[00:40:55]  In Christianity, Jesus took flesh and blood.
[00:40:58]  So don't ever compare Muhammad and Jesus together.
[00:41:02]  No, compare the Quran and Jesus.
[00:41:05]  Now, this is how you get to understand the relationship between Muslims and the Quran.
[00:41:11]  It's not just a holy book that you read, you struggle with, you try to understand.
[00:41:16]  No, it is a person.
[00:41:18]  It's telling you what to do.
[00:41:20]  And that's it.
[00:41:21]  We have two billion Muslims in the world.
[00:41:24]  We can't obviously sit them all in one room, but let's say you could.
[00:41:28]  If you were to ask them the following questions Number one, would you like to see a world in which everybody was Muslim or under the subordination of Islam?
[00:41:41]  Two, do you agree that some sort of caliphate or perhaps rule of the Mahdi is the ideal arrangement, not just for Islamic societies, but all societies?
[00:41:54]  Do you agree or further that jihad is a continual struggle to be conducted by different mechanisms, all toward achieving this universal goal?
[00:42:09]  What percentage of Muslims in the world do you think would.
[00:42:13]  And moreover, if you were to say that these things are in fact in the Quran and advocated by the Quran, what percentage of Muslims would say, I support that?
[00:42:25]  This is very important to understand.
[00:42:28]  There's cognitive dissonance in Islam.
[00:42:32]  What Muslims believe to be the right thing to do is not what they would choose.
[00:42:37]  And the evidence for that is that millions and millions of Muslims who leave Islamic countries and migrate to the West.
[00:42:45]  So, freedom, you know, we are created free.
[00:42:50]  We want freedom.
[00:42:52]  And under Islam, you lose your freedom.
[00:42:54]  So, People migrate, they walk toward the West.
[00:43:00]  They're voting with their feet.
[00:43:01]  Absolutely.
[00:43:02]  If they get to choose what they want, they don't want the caliphate.

=== The Left And Jihadist Narratives (14:39) ===

[00:43:06]  They don't want the Islamic rule.
[00:43:08]  They don't want it because it's slavery.
[00:43:11]  But what they believe that must happen from a religious perspective is different than what they want.
[00:43:22]  So if you ask a Christian, is Jesus coming back?
[00:43:25]  They will say, absolutely.
[00:43:26]  Yeah, Jesus is coming back for sure.
[00:43:28]  Do you want that?
[00:43:29]  Yeah, I want that.
[00:43:31]  Now, in Islam, if you ask a Muslim, do you want jihad?
[00:43:38]  No one likes jihad.
[00:43:41]  It's blood and killing.
[00:43:43]  But is it something good that you are commanded to do to serve Allah and His Prophet and the cause of Islam?
[00:43:53]  Yes.
[00:43:54]  So, would it be accurate to say that the Islamic, the militant, the terrorist, the suicide bomber, is the guy who has essentially taken the doctrine and squashed that part of his human nature that wants freedom and goes, I'm going to go with the doctrine?
[00:44:12]  Whereas you might have ordinary Muslims, and we know a few of those who would say, Yeah, that is the doctrine, and I'm reluctant to disagree with it, but it's not exactly the way I want to live my life.
[00:44:26]  Let me tell you this Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS, he has a PhD in Islamic Sharia.
[00:44:34]  Al Dawahiri, the leader of Al Qaeda, his grandfather was the Imam of Al Azhar, and he had a PhD from Al Azhar in Islamic Sharia.
[00:44:46]  The great university in Egypt.
[00:44:47]  The great Islamic, it's the Vatican of the Islamic world.
[00:44:51]  It's like, I have a list like 20 Islamic scholars who are the leaders of Boko Haram.
[00:44:57]  Actually, he was influenced by Al Azhar and different Al Azhar scholars, and he graduated from Al Azhar.
[00:45:05]  Saeed Qutb, the great sort of apostle of the Muslim Brotherhood.
[00:45:10]  So, whenever someone says that, you know, the terrorists don't represent Islam, It's like you don't represent Islam.
[00:45:18]  They do.
[00:45:19]  They understand Islam more than you would ever understand Islam.
[00:45:23]  The majority, the extreme majority of Muslims, 98%, I'm not going to say 80% because according to some statistics, there are like 80% of Muslims who are moderate or they, I would say 98%, okay, 99%, I don't care.
[00:45:41]  They would never participate in jihad.
[00:45:44]  They would never go and join any terrorist group.
[00:45:47]  That is ridiculous.
[00:45:48]  They wouldn't do that.
[00:45:49]  It's impractical.
[00:45:50]  They are just human beings.
[00:45:51]  They want to keep food on the table.
[00:45:53]  They want to take care of their families, build their future.
[00:45:56]  But the problem is their sentiments.
[00:46:00]  Because they understand that what the 1% is doing is the real Islam, they will always side with what the 1% is doing, but not directly, because it doesn't look beautiful.
[00:46:15]  So they would always try to justify what the 1% is doing, borrowing.
[00:46:22]  Terminologies from the left, social justice, response like.
[00:46:29]  Or to quote Tucker, Islam is, you know, the ISIS, not ISIS, but Hamas is a political movement.
[00:46:35]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
[00:46:36]  Hamas is a political movement.
[00:46:38]  I really want to comment on this, but before that, I want to say, I want to talk about Zahra Mamdani's father.
[00:46:43]  In his book, he said, suicide bombing is a political action, justified political action.
[00:46:52]  Suicide bombing is a justified political action.
[00:46:55]  Are you kidding me?
[00:46:56]  They're doing it motivated by the fact that the moment they leave this world, they will be in the Islamic paradise.
[00:47:05]  How is that political action and justified political action?
[00:47:08]  So, Hamas is the perfect example of what I have been saying in the past five minutes.
[00:47:15]  Hamas has been doing jihad for a very long time.
[00:47:19]  Muslims in the West, they wouldn't dare to support Hamas publicly because it's jihad, or Al Qaeda, for example.
[00:47:30]  But after October 7, because of what the radical left did, framing Hamas as the underdog, the victims, the oppressed, Muslims found it was the perfect window to step in and support Hamas based on that ground, the ground that the West provided.
[00:47:55]  While in reality, they're supporting Hamas not based on that ground, but based on the Islamic ground of jihad.
[00:48:03]  Because they believe that Hamas is doing jihad.
[00:48:07]  Dinesh, I grew up as a Muslim.
[00:48:10]  And I talk about this in my book.
[00:48:15]  This is like a strong word, but I hated Palestinians in Jordan.
[00:48:19]  Jordanian and Palestinians, they don't love each other.
[00:48:24]  I'm Jordanian.
[00:48:25]  And they saw them as invaders.
[00:48:27]  We didn't like them.
[00:48:28]  Just get the hell out of our country.
[00:48:32]  You're stealing the jobs.
[00:48:33]  We're poor because of you.
[00:48:35]  However, Whenever there was a march on the street for Palestine, I would be marching for Palestine.
[00:48:42]  Now, isn't that contradictory?
[00:48:45]  What's going on there?
[00:48:47]  I mean, in some ways, Danny, what's going on is the jihadi perspective is extremely clear, right?
[00:48:54]  Which is basically you got the little Satan, Israel, you got the big Satan, and you got to get rid of them.
[00:49:01]  The colonial argument is all garbled because the Jews have been in this land for 4,000 years.
[00:49:08]  Their bones are there, their artifacts are there, their monuments are there.
[00:49:13]  Clearly, Islam came in the seventh century, invaded the place, built the Dome of the Rock, constructed the Al Aqsa Mosque on what used to be Jewish land.
[00:49:26]  So, who's the colonizer?
[00:49:27]  I mean, how can the Jews colonize their own country?
[00:49:30]  Isn't Islam the outsider?
[00:49:32]  Didn't Islam come out of the Arabian desert?
[00:49:36]  And yet, I think what you're saying is that the left in this country, including, by the way, some of the jihadis, They can't overtly use the jihadi rationale.
[00:49:47]  And so they switch to the colonial rationale, even though in some ways they are.
[00:49:51]  It's useful.
[00:49:52]  It's useful now.
[00:49:54]  They can utilize it without appealing to, without being accused of terrorism or jihad or radicalism or anything.
[00:50:05]  Actually, now they're coming with this moral superiority.
[00:50:11]  They support Hamas and they.
[00:50:14]  Signal virtue.
[00:50:15]  They're trying to make you feel bad about not supporting Hamas.
[00:50:20]  Why?
[00:50:21]  Because they have this frame Hamas is a liberation movement.
[00:50:27]  So they're not at all mentioning the jihad part.
[00:50:32]  Even though I always share a video on my social media, Mahmoud Al Zahar, the co founder of Hamas, he was meeting with a group of Hamas leaders and he said this verbatim.
[00:50:46]  He said, Palestine is not our project.
[00:50:50]  Palestine is so small.
[00:50:51]  It's like a toothpick.
[00:50:53]  Our project is larger than that.
[00:50:54]  Okay, what is their project?
[00:50:56]  I thought it was liberating Palestine.
[00:50:59]  Oh, it is the Islamic project, which is the caliphate, which is the establishment of the rule of Allah over the whole earth.
[00:51:07]  Let me just say one thing about Tucker.
[00:51:10]  It is ridiculous that Tucker Carlson gets to go to my country, Jordan.
[00:51:18]  You know, walk freely, meet with all these ultra rich businessmen who are loyalists to the government, polish the image of how Christians are, you know, being equal, living freely in Jordan, and demonize Israel.
[00:51:36]  And at the same time, I can't go to my country.
[00:51:40]  Why?
[00:51:41]  Because I converted to Christianity and because I am a Zionist.
[00:51:45]  So imagine how the irony there.
[00:51:51]  And at the same time, and this is very important, and Americans need to understand this Tucker Carlson is interviewing people who know that when they criticize the Israeli government or Israel, nothing is going to happen to them.
[00:52:09]  They come from Jerusalem sometimes, from Israel.
[00:52:12]  They meet with Tucker, they vilify Israel, they attack Israel, and they go back.
[00:52:18]  Nobody's going to touch them.
[00:52:20]  However, the people who Tucker interviews on the other side, They don't have an option.
[00:52:27]  They cannot say anything bad about their countries.
[00:52:30]  For example, in Jordan, beside the fact that those who were interviewed in Jordan were ultra wealthy, loyal to the government, loyal to the king, and I love the king because the alternative is Islamic terrorism, but that is a different topic.
[00:52:46]  But I mean, did that person have the chance or the ability to criticize the government without any consequences?
[00:52:55]  The answer is no.
[00:52:57]  Therefore, he doesn't have agency.
[00:53:00]  He's not supposed to be interviewed.
[00:53:02]  If you want to interview someone, interview someone that doesn't care about the consequences and can say whatever they want.
[00:53:11]  So it's not fair to bring people that they feel safe criticizing Israel and put them in front of the American public and tell the Americans, oh, look, this is the reality of Israel.
[00:53:30]  While at the same time, you're getting people who are forced.
[00:53:34]  To share a certain narrative about the Islamic countries.
[00:53:39]  You're saying Tucker's not revealing the constraints on which these people are functioning, right?
[00:53:43]  In which you might have a Christian source for Tucker, and this guy's going to say, well, you know, you've got people who are second class citizens in Israel.
[00:53:52]  Well, they're second class citizens in Qatar, they're second class citizens, Christians are second class citizens in every Muslim country.
[00:53:58]  I think you said that there is not one of the 50 plus Muslim countries.
[00:54:04]  Where you would not say that there is a kind of established doctrine of Islamic superiority.
[00:54:09]  That's almost 100% of all the Islamic countries, not even one single Islamic country where Muslims and non Muslims have 100% identical rights.
[00:54:18]  That doesn't exist.
[00:54:22]  There are levels, of course, but it doesn't exist that you have the same rights as Muslims, even if it comes to small things.
[00:54:31]  For example, in the United Arab Emirates, I love the United Arab Emirates, okay?
[00:54:36]  But at the end of the day, it's an Islamic country.
[00:54:39]  The shell is Islamic.
[00:54:42]  If you're a Muslim, you're allowed to do things that non Muslims are not allowed to do.
[00:54:46]  For example, if you're a Muslim, you're allowed to preach the Quran, for example.
[00:54:52]  If you're a Christian, you're not allowed to really preach the gospel on the street.
[00:54:58]  I mean, I think the interesting thing is if I were to go even to UAE, right, and we got Mohammed bin Zayed, you know, a Pro Western, pro American guy.
[00:55:08]  In fact, he's been pretty good in fighting against Iran.
[00:55:11]  In fact, I think one of his guys said recently, Hey, listen, we're doing more in the UAE to fight Iran than, let's say, the UK.
[00:55:19]  I mean, you have this bizarre scenario in which you've got Muslim countries that are more forthrightly against Iran than European countries.
[00:55:28]  But putting that to the side, if I were to go to UAE and say, Listen, I want to build a magnificent cathedral that you can see from almost anywhere in the UAE.
[00:55:42]  I would assume that they would just go, no, we're a Muslim country.
[00:55:45]  You can't do that.
[00:55:46]  They actually built the Abrahamic house.
[00:55:49]  They have like a synagogue, a church, and a mosque.
[00:55:51]  And Muhammad bin Zayed, he once was talking to President Trump about the missionaries who built the hospital in Al Ain, the first Christian hospital or the first hospital in the country.
[00:56:05]  And he referred to them as evangelists.
[00:56:07]  And I have never heard an Arab who would refer to Christian missionaries as evangelists.
[00:56:15]  And That was like, it was mind blowing for me because at that moment I realized this guy is authentic.
[00:56:22]  He loves the West.
[00:56:24]  He loves freedom.
[00:56:27]  But the problem is because the culture is Islamic, so they have to gradually, I would say, push it to the side.
[00:56:37]  But that model is built on a leader, on one person, on a group of people, let's say.
[00:56:47]  On a certain political order, what if that political order changes?
[00:56:52]  What if that person, gun, what's going to happen?
[00:56:56]  How long would it take the system, the society itself, to snap back into some sort of radical Islam?
[00:57:03]  That is the problem with reforming Islam through political leadership.
[00:57:09]  So, Islamic Jihad, and this is important for people to understand Islam and Islamism.
[00:57:15]  Islamic Jihad resurfaced in the mid of the 20th century, it was not invented.
[00:57:20]  In the mid 20th century.
[00:57:22]  No, it was revived.
[00:57:26]  But why was it halted or dormant before?
[00:57:29]  Because of the Islamic Empire, the Ottoman Islamic Empire, because it wasn't in place.
[00:57:35]  And since there was an Islamic caliphate, jihad was actually a matter of the decision of jihad belonged to the caliph.

=== Reviving Islamic Jihad History (05:30) ===

[00:57:45]  That's it.
[00:57:46]  Different groups would not be able to, you know, declare jihad.
[00:57:51]  But after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, Different groups, they realize, okay, there is no caliph now, so we want to declare jihad in order to reestablish the caliphate.
[00:58:02]  So, Islamic jihad did not appear as a response to Israeli aggression or Israeli colonialism or occupation.
[00:58:14]  And Israel is not the reason why there is destability or instability in the Middle East since 1948.
[00:58:22]  No, Israel was the victim of Islamic jihad.
[00:58:28]  That masqueraded under different covers.
[00:58:34]  Sometimes it's Arab nationalism, sometimes it's Islamic rights.
[00:58:40]  It doesn't matter.
[00:58:40]  It's like Gamal Abdel Nasser, he used Arab nationalism to attack Israel, King Faisal in Saudi Arabia, and the war that was waged against Israel.
[00:58:54]  It was waged by semi secular.
[00:58:58]  Western puppets, leaders who accepted the concept of the nation state that was introduced by the British and the French in the region.
[00:59:08]  But they did it because their people wanted it for religious reasons.
[00:59:13]  So it's really, it all goes down to the fact that Israel, for the first time in that region, for the first time in a very long time, a non Muslim body of people said, We want sovereignty.
[00:59:33]  And that was an affront.
[00:59:37]  To Islamic theology.
[00:59:38]  It's like, you know, this is an Islamic land.
[00:59:40]  In Islam, not only people have religions, the land also has a religion.
[00:59:48]  So if you convert to Islam, you're not allowed to convert out of Islam, right?
[00:59:55]  The land.
[00:59:57]  The same?
[00:59:57]  The same.
[00:59:58]  The land, once it's converted to Islam, the land cannot be taken out of Islam.
[01:00:05]  So the land of Israel, It was Islamized at one point.
[01:00:10]  And the Jews were welcome to live there.
[01:00:14]  Actually, if you look back at Jewish groups coming back to the land, building the city of Tel Aviv in 1907, 1909, developing the port of Haifa, different institutions, there were no objections to that.
[01:00:29]  They were welcomed.
[01:00:30]  Arabs were actually moving or migrating from different countries or different regions to join the Jewish project of prosperity and progress.
[01:00:41]  So, why?
[01:00:42]  Why there was no objection?
[01:00:46]  Because that was taking place under the umbrella of Islam, because the Ottoman Caliphate was there in place.
[01:00:54]  But once it was abolished, once it was destroyed by Ataturk, for the first time since the time of Muhammad, there was no Islamic Caliphate.
[01:01:07]  Jews said, okay, since the British.
[01:01:12]  Gave a country or a nation state to the Christian in Lebanon, to the different factions of Arabs in Syria, to the Iraqis, to the Eastern Jordan.
[01:01:23]  We want the same thing.
[01:01:26]  We want the nation state.
[01:01:28]  At that point, Israel or the Jewish people turned into colonizing power.
[01:01:37]  Colonizing here in the sense that they were repossessing their own ancient homeland.
[01:01:44]  But you're saying because it had fallen under the orbit of Islam, they were now not entitled to it.
[01:01:50]  Islam never gives back what it takes.
[01:01:53]  And Israel is now an imposter.
[01:01:55]  Absolutely.
[01:01:56]  If the Jewish people want to live in the land and they're in Islamic leadership, no problem.
[01:02:02]  They're welcome to do that.
[01:02:05]  If they are willing to live just like Christians in Jordan, for example, Muslims would welcome them.
[01:02:12]  No problem with that.
[01:02:13]  Dan Burmawi, thank you very much.
[01:02:15]  Thank you.
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