Donald Trump is framed as America's first "real estate president," a transactional CEO managing national assets by treating foreign policy as market strategy, such as demanding NATO dues and seeking oil from Venezuela. The episode contrasts this pragmatism with Pastor Rob McCoy's theological defense of Israel, arguing for an everlasting covenant that rejects replacement theology and condemns the "synagogue of Satan" as a specific attack rather than a racial slur. Ultimately, the discussion positions Trump's business-like governance alongside biblical imperatives to support Jewish sovereignty, suggesting both views prioritize tangible outcomes over abstract ideology. [Automatically generated summary]
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Trump's Real Estate Empire00:14:33
Trump's foreign policy is a mystery to most people, and the events of the last couple of weeks prove it.
He says outrageous things that seem, well, out of bounds for what normal politicians would say.
He says one thing and does another.
He says one thing and then says the opposite a few days later.
What's up with this guy?
The left thinks he's gone nuts, and it's time to invoke the 25th Amendment.
Even many Trump supporters seem confused.
Why is he praising Allah on Easter Sunday?
What does he mean when he says, A great civilization is going to die.
Why does he sometimes praise thugs like Kim Jong un of North Korea, Delcy Rodriguez of Venezuela, and even Xi Jinping of China?
Where's the ideological rudder of a man who imposes tariffs on Tuesday, takes them back on Wednesday, announces new lower tariffs on Thursday?
What sense can we make of a guy who wants to make Gaza a Riviera and share tolls with Iran at the Strait of Hormuz?
I think I can resolve the mystery.
Trump, unlike any president of our lifetimes, perhaps.
Unlike any president ever, is America's first real estate president.
This makes sense, right?
Because Trump has been in real estate all his life.
It should also make sense because so many Americans voted for Trump in the belief that they wanted a businessman, not a politician.
And my point is that a businessman, in fact, specifically a real estate wheeler dealer, is exactly what they got.
Now, at first glance, it seems I'm in the camp of those who respond to everything Trump does with the slogan, Art of the Deal, Art of the Deal.
The basic idea here is that Trump's negotiating style, outlined in the book of that title, is to make ridiculously one sided offers and then retreat to a more modest but nevertheless favorable settlement.
But this is not what I'm talking about at all.
I'm not referring to how Trump closes a deal.
I'm referring to how Trump sees the world and America's place in it.
I'm referring to what Trump means when he says America first.
What does America first mean to a real estate president?
What it means is that Trump doesn't approach the world.
Ideologically, and that's why ideologues left and right can't comprehend him.
He doesn't fit their templates.
But once you get into the real estate mindset, once you put on those spectacles, you can see the world the way Trump sees it.
All the world's a real estate market, and an effective foreign policy is the best way to play that market.
Several years ago, I wrote a book about entrepreneurs called The Virtue of Prosperity.
It included conversations with people like Peter Thiel, founder of PayPal, Eric Schmidt, who went on to become the CEO of Google.
And computer tycoon Michael Dell.
Trump is in that book too, but in his role as a builder and a deal maker.
Now, these people, the entrepreneurs, they think differently, and Trump took that way of thinking into the White House.
What does it mean to be a real estate president?
It means you are the CEO of the most valuable piece of real estate in the world, America.
You're in charge not only of the physical real estate, the land, but all the assets that are on the land.
Just as if you're a property developer, you manage not just the land, but the various buildings and facilities that go with the land.
Trump even views America's military as part of the nation's real estate empire.
The military is equivalent to a powerful security force that protects, say, a massive development or gated. Community.
From this vantage point, Trump is the promoter of a great real estate empire.
Now, I'm using the term empire not in the sense of the British Empire, which sought conquest and long term occupation, but in the sense of the real estate empires of the great families that first settled America.
Those families sought to build their empires through acquisitions and deals and trading opportunities, and Trump has exported that framework into international politics.
How so?
He seeks to do global deals that enhance the value of the real estate at home.
In a sense, The real estate framework governs both Trump's domestic and his foreign policy.
Both work together toward the same end, which is improving the market value of America's real estate, drawing resources here from around the world, making deals that are profitable from the point of view of America, and also, it should be acknowledged, increasing the prestige and performance of the CEO of that giant conglomerate, none other than Trump himself.
Let's see how well the framework I've put forward here explains Trump, both in terms of his.
Recent statements and actions, and also in terms of his broader range of policies.
First, it's important to realize that real estate people are masters of crazy talk.
They are hyperbolic, over the top, sometimes borderline ridiculous, but it's exaggeration with a motive, and the same can be said of Trump.
Let's say you're looking to buy a house or an apartment, it's got problems with the floor, it's way too close to the highway where you can hear all the noise.
What does your real estate agent tell you?
No problem.
I hate that floor anyway.
This gives you the chance to put in your own floor, give it your own unique touch.
And what about all that highway noise?
Oh, forget about that.
This is actually a fabulous location.
You can jump right on the highway, go to work, go to dinner.
That's actually a big plus.
Hey, people pay a lot of money for easy access like that.
Over the top?
Sure.
Ridiculous?
I agree.
But the real estate agent is quite aware of this.
The goal is to make a sale.
So the rhetoric is at the service of a pragmatic end.
Same with Trump.
Quote, I'm ending your civilization.
Well, that means you better make a deal or you have no idea what I'm going to do to your regime that has stood untouched for 50 years.
And then Trump again praise be to Allah.
That's actually my favorite part.
That means Allah's not coming to save you.
Praise him all you want.
You might as well be doing the rain dance to improve your harvest this year.
Get off your superstitious high horse, you stupid mullahs.
Now, the mullahs might not have gotten the message, and that's why the talks this past weekend with Jade Evans failed.
The mullahs cannot give up the idea permanently of not having nuclear weapons.
Nuclear weapons for them are a must, they're a jihadist necessity.
And for Trump, nuclear weapons are a real estate nightmare.
Why?
Because they threaten to destroy so much that has been so painstakingly and laboriously built.
They destroy lives and property.
They reduce everything to rubble.
The whole world becomes like Gaza.
Trump's whole expedition in Iran must be understood not as a project to save the Iranian people from tyranny, but as a project to prevent Iran from becoming the real estate destroyer.
Can't let that happen.
The other real estate project Trump cares about is the Strait of Hormuz.
Blocking the Strait means restricting the free flow of oil, which is basically the fuel of the world economy.
And yet, Trump's approach is thoroughly pragmatic.
The Iranians want to close off the strait, so I'm going to interdict all traffic that is going through that strait and paying the tolls.
Trump even throws out the idea that the U.S. and Iran might charge tolls for use of the strait and share the revenue.
Wait, what?
Iran has controlled the strait.
Iran wants to charge tolls and keep the money.
And suddenly Trump wants in on that deal?
Well, he knows it's a crazy deal.
The Strait of Hormuz is not like the Panama Canal.
The Panama Canal, well, someone had to build it, maintain it.
So, charging for access to the canal is reasonable.
But the Strait of Hormuz is just a passageway, no building or maintenance cost.
Iran is charging money for the same reason the mafia used to charge money to do business on Canal Street.
And yet, Trump toys with the idea.
Maybe we let the local operators, Iran, charge a toll, but there's a new boss in town, America, so now we get a share of the takings.
The Strait of Hormuz becomes our Canal Street.
Now, the underlying rationale here might be somewhat shady or dubious, but who can deny that Trump is putting America first.
By the way, Trump's approach is exactly the same in Venezuela.
The ideological approach would be to say, we must have a return to democracy.
Let's set a date for a free election.
Trump seems in no hurry to go there.
He'll even do business with the Chavistas, led by the sly, self serving Delcy Rodriguez.
But she's willing to give America access to Venezuelan oil.
This is like a real estate tycoon making a deal to get rare earth minerals or something else from the Mexican cartels.
Nobody likes the cartels, but hey, it's more important to ensure a reliable supply of a vital commodity.
At least for the present.
We'll fix the cartel system later if we can.
Again, this is America first.
A week or so ago, Trump asked a question that only a real estate guy would think of.
He asked the top generals at the War Department why are we blowing up these Iranian ships?
They're good ships.
Why don't we capture them?
We can use them, we can sell them.
What a waste to blow them up!
Evidently, one of the generals replied, It's more fun, sir, to blow them up.
And Trump chuckled.
I mean, he conceded the point.
He probably realized the impracticality of taking possession of the Iranian fleet.
At the same time, his comment, which again, Bush would have never said, Reagan would have never said, reveals Trump's commercial, transactional, and yes, America first frame of mind.
Many conservatives were upset.
Some were near apoplectic when Trump accepted a plane from the Qataris.
I didn't think it was a great idea myself, but.
Then I'm not a real estate guy.
I was evaluating the deal ideologically.
Qatar's a bad actor.
They have covert motives.
They're trying to buy influence.
Trump knows that.
He's not naive.
It's that Trump thinks more transactionally than we do.
He thinks, great, if the Qataris want to buy influence, how about if we convince them to give us a plane?
And once we get the plane, how about we prevail on them to help get the hostages back?
And hey, since they're so eager to be on our good side, how about we insist they back us against Iran?
All to preserve the influence that they covet so much.
Notice the difference.
Between Qatar giving Trump a plane, for which they get what?
A couple of photo opportunities with Trump, and Qatar giving, say, Texas AM or Georgetown University $500 million.
In the latter case, Qatar owns the political science department.
They control how Islam is taught.
They get more than their money's worth.
These greedy, stupid, short sighted universities are willing to sell their souls for money.
But from Trump's point of view, that's a very bad deal because you give up too much.
By contrast, A free plane is a good deal because you give up very little, and now the USA has a nice plane.
Trump's real estate oriented foreign policy is also evident in his recent statements about NATO.
Trump is bad mouthing NATO these days, but if you think about it, the problem isn't with NATO per se.
True, NATO is a bit of a racket to extort money from the United States.
Trump, who knows a lot about extortion, recognized this immediately.
He's pushed the European countries to pay more, and they are paying more.
This is equivalent to a real estate guy telling a new homeowner he has to pay his own homeowner dues.
You want security, pal?
You pay for it.
No more claiming we're in it together so you get the privilege of paying all my bills.
You see, before Trump, presidents, Republican and Democrat, viewed NATO ideologically.
NATO is the defense pact of the West.
NATO upholds the security of Western civilization.
What does it matter if America foots the bill?
America benefits from having allies that will always be content as long as we pay their way.
The real estate guy is too smart for that.
He doesn't go for it.
Nah, if it's in both our interests to have security, well, you pay your part, we'll pay our part.
Otherwise, no deal.
See the America first sinking here?
We put ourselves first, you put yourself first.
But the days of us putting you first are now at an end.
You had a good racket while it lasted, but now we're on to you.
Now, the NATO problem is compounded by the fact that we have left wing governments all across NATO.
Keir Starmer in Great Britain, Macron in France, Sanchez in Spain, Albanese in Australia.
Carney in Canada, what a menagerie.
No wonder they subvert us at every turn.
The left is the same in Europe, Australia, and Canada as it is in the United States.
So these Europeans oppose Trump for the same reason the Democrats do.
In the past, this was not always the case.
Francois Mitterrand was a socialist, and yet this Prime Minister of France backed Reagan's anti Soviet and anti communist agenda.
Tony Blair was a Labour Party guy, but he backed America to the hilt.
Those days are gone.
And now Trump realizes that we have NATO allies who aren't allied with us at all.
They expect us to help them, but they have no intention of helping us.
What they do for us is, well, nothing.
They are worse than useless.
They enable Islamic radicals in their countries who want to murder us.
Arab countries, UAE, Bahrain, Jordan, Kuwait, perhaps even Saudi Arabia, are better allies than the UK.
And perhaps America today can count more on Japan, India, Taiwan, Argentina, and South Korea.
Than it can on the countries to whose rescue we came in World War II.
If you want to fairly evaluate Trump, look at his actions, the results of those actions.
Ask yourself is the American real estate empire stronger or weaker thanks to Trump?
Has he protected our territory at home?
Has he brought large amounts of foreign investment to our shores?
Has he tirelessly and effectively represented our interests in a competitive and often hostile world?
Yes.
The critics might not understand Trump, but he understands perfectly well what he's doing.
He moves purposefully, rapidly, sometimes boldly toward his goal.
And almost always he gets there.
He makes it happen.
He closes the deal, and it's a good deal for his side.
Strange perhaps, but true, the real estate presidency has proven to be the best type of presidency for our time.
The anti Trump right is retarded because it has no grasp of Trump's capacity, which puts him in an entirely different league than them.
He was a billionaire when he was half their age.
He's done things they couldn't even dream of, and yet they pose as if they understand negotiations and global deal making better than he does.
They have no idea how ridiculous they sound.
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Hey, let's all protect our real estate holdings, which is to say, let's all protect the little piece of America that we call home.
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Pastor Rob McCoy is the retired pastor at Godspeak Calvary Chapel in Thousand Oaks, California.
He's probably best known as Charlie Kirk's pastor, very close to Turning Point.
I want to start by asking you about Christians and Israel.
Why should Christians care about Israel?
You know, first of all, It's surreal being here with you, Dinesh.
And especially the set here.
I feel like I'm James Kirk on the USS Enterprise, and it's a lot of fun.
But let's get to your question.
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Yeah, it's working.
But the reason why Christians should care about Israel is because it's biblical.
That's the bottom line.
We have Genesis 12, we have Joel 2, Joel 3.
All of these promises are an everlasting covenant.
And God keeps his promise.
Even when we're faithless, he's faithful.
And there's so much to cover, but also for those that believe in replacement theology, you can even boil it down to the simplicity that this is a sovereign nation whose borders were invaded.
It's the only democracy in the 1040 window, longitude and latitude, where 90% of the Muslim world exists.
They have the freedom of religion, freedom of speech.
They protect our holy sites.
There's so many reasons, but we can get into them in a further level.
What is your, how would you define replacement theology?
What is it?
Where the church has replaced Israel in the promise that God had made.
Somehow they look at the kings of Israel as being apostate and having lost that covenant or that promise of God.
But in all reality, every denomination in Christendom at one point or another has been apostate.
They've failed in some capacity.
If God won't keep his promise to Israel, why would we think he'd keep his promise to us when we fail?
Even when we're faithless, he's faithful.
He who began a good work is faithful to complete it.
So, what you're saying is that God's covenants, and particularly the covenant with Abraham, I'm giving you this land to your descendants.
It was given in perpetuity?
Yes, everlasting covenant.
It's an everlasting covenant.
Was it a conditional covenant?
Did God ever say in the Bible, I'm giving you this land as long as, or to the extent that, or to make sure that if you ever run afoul of my laws, I'm going to take it back?
Is there any of that conditionality?
It's fascinating that you ask that because in Genesis 12, it goes into Abraham cutting a covenant with God.
So he calls for the sacrificial pieces, cut them in half, put them on either side.
And cutting a covenant, you put the parts of the animal carcass that's been cut in half so the blood would run into the middle.
You would hold hands with the person you're cutting a covenant with.
You'd walk through the blood, basically saying, If I fail to keep my promise, may this happen to me.
And as he was waiting for God to show up, he fell asleep, and the Lord passed through the pieces by himself.
He doesn't need man to keep his promise.
We will fail.
God will not fail.
He's faithful, and that's the power of it.
So, that's an everlasting covenant.
And you know, last time I checked, everlasting means everlasting.
Now, quite clearly, the New Testament and Jesus do bring something new into the world.
There is a new era.
There is a new path to salvation.
You believe, and I believe, that Jesus is the way, the only way to salvation.
Doesn't that, to some degree, create a break with the Old Testament?
So, the Jews were chosen not because they're a superior race.
They were chosen almost the exact opposite.
Not that they are a lacking race, but they were small.
And God loves the odds because He gets the glory.
And they're not included into heaven because of their DNA, nor am I excluded because of my DNA.
The promise still comes by grace.
You've been saved by grace through faith, and not by works, lest any man should boast.
They're not saved by observation of the law.
They still have to understand the sacrifice of Christ.
Christ still has to be their Messiah.
But they're not cut off because Ezekiel 37 says there'll first be a political nation, then a spiritual nation.
There will be a return to the land.
The land and the people are one and the same in many respects.
And then people will say, well, what is a Jew?
Is it DNA?
I would go even further to say, look at Ruth the Moabitess in the lineage of David that comes all the way down through Christ.
She was a Moabitess.
So is it the DNA?
Because you can also, it's spiritual, you can also convert to Judaism.
I would say, what is an American?
You know, I can live in Japan my whole life, become a Japanese citizen, never be Japanese.
It's an ethnicity.
In America, it's not an ethnicity, it's an idea.
And a lot of people don't know, even though they're American citizens, don't understand.
What they've subscribed to or what they were born into.
Well, that's the same with the Jewish race.
When it says in Galatians 3, Greek nor Jew, slave nor free, male nor female, we're one in Christ, because you don't accept Christ as your Messiah doesn't mean you stop being Jewish any more than you refuse to receive Christ means you stop being Greek or male or female.
That's irrelevant.
And the tragedy is they take it so far to an extent that they invoke Revelation 3.
Calling it the synagogue of Satan.
He's speaking of those who would proclaim themselves Jewish, but they don't follow the precepts of God in that regard.
They use it for beneficial purposes.
So you're saying that that phrase, the synagogue of Satan, is not intended to describe the Jews.
Right.
It is intended, it's a targeted attack on a particular group of Jews for a particular reason.
Right.
Exactly.
And isn't that also true, by the way, when they talk about the Jews killed Christ?
I mean, to me, that's somewhat similar to saying the Americans killed Lincoln.
Right.
Right?
Because number one, Lincoln is an American, right?
Number two, the American people didn't all come together and decide, let's kill Lincoln.
It was a particular group that conspired against him for a particular reason.
In fact, it was a Confederate operation against Lincoln as the Civil War was going badly for the South.
And similarly, Jesus is targeted by a sort of temple establishment.
Jesus has his own followers, they're Jews.
So the idea that the Jews.
Let's not forget the Romans were involved.
The Romans were involved, in fact, they had the authority, right?
They had to give the permission.
And the likelihood is they're the ones who put the spikes in his wrists and in his feet.
And that's not even talking about the fact that, in a sense, all of us killed Jesus.
Right, and go even further no man takes my life, but I willingly lay it down.
This is, you know, he.
So let's be really clear what you're saying is Jesus actually came to die.
Yeah.
And you're saying that, quote, if Jesus hadn't died, there wouldn't be Christianity, would there?
And let's just take the most famous verse in the Bible, John 3 16.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son.
Gave means sacrificial.
He knew that he came to die, he was born as the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
And in some sense, it would not entirely be wrong to say that God killed him.
It was the plan of salvation.
Right.
For blood must be shed for the remission of sin.
Now, would you acknowledge that a Jew today who rejected Christ would be outside the orbit of salvation?
Yes.
Okay.
But you're saying that in the Bible, God is not done with the Jews.
Exactly.
And that there is a land promise and there is also a spiritual promise that is.
Yet to be fulfilled?
Exactly.
And I would also add the challenge that the Jewish people carry is that when God gave them the moral law, the Ten Commandments, the Decalogue, this was a foundation for Western society.
This was a foundation for the moral law establishing civil law, and it was for all mankind.
And they have the burden of carrying that.
So they have a target on their back for all of history because.
The idea when we throw off the constraints of God and we do things according to our own will, those that carry that law, for example, you get upset with police when you get pulled over for breaking the law.
They're carrying the law, the moral covenant.
This idea that there's one God, no idols, don't take the name of the Lord, you're gone in vain, honor the Sabbath, honor your mother and father, don't murder, don't commit adultery, don't steal, don't bear false witness, and don't covet.
All of these things are the moral law of God.
This is in accordance with His universe.
It's designed by him.
These are his laws.
We're breathing his air, drinking his water, living on his dirt, and eating his food.
We're going to live by his rules.
Well, if you don't like that and you want to be your own God, in the 6,000 years of recorded history, every government's been an oligarchy where the few rule the many.
But for the first time in recorded history, the priest is now holding the king accountable that this is the moral law of God and you are to live by it and the people are.
So when you see the Pesach, the Passover, which is fascinating, when you see the Pesach, the last of the 10 plagues, Where the firstborn dies, which is a precursor and a picture of Christ, where the blood is even placed strategically on the doorpost where his hands would have been pierced, his feet would have been pierced, the crown of thorns, the blood in the basin.
As you see this, this Pesach, they are delivered out of slavery.
All these miracles, as I've shared before, that they leave with the wealth of the Egyptians.
God parts the Red Sea, He drowns the entirety of the Egyptian army in the Red Sea.
Their clothes don't wear out for 40 years, their shoes don't wear out for 40 years.
God provides manna out of nowhere, water out of rocks in the middle of the desert.
They complain about meat and he blows quail off course so it comes out of their nostrils.
Miracle after miracle, but the greatest miracle of Aldenish is Moses goes up on Mount Sinai, gets this downloaded moral app, this Decalogue, the Ten Commandments.
He comes down, and the nation is in the midst of a pagan party with a gold idol, basically a rave party.
And he comes down and he places the moral law in the center of the community, instructs the children, the grandchildren, all the people.
Now here's the greatest miracle.
Three to five million people lived together for 40 years without a police force or a standing army.
Like John Adams, our second president, said, only a moral and religious people can govern a republic.
Because when a man is governed by God, the need for an expansive government is limited.
When you can trust your neighbor that he is going to keep his promise, he's not going to lie, he's not going to murder, he recognizes he's accountable to God and accountable to his neighbor.
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, strength, and mind.
The second is like it, love your neighbors yourself.
This is what they carry.
And this is the profound nature of it all.
I think what you're saying is you're saying two things which I think are really important.
One of them is that this is the foundation of Western civilization.
If Western civilization is built on Athens and Jerusalem, this is Jerusalem and it came through the Jews and it came through the Bible.
That's right.
But I think the second thing you're saying is this, and here I have a Bible in front of me, and this is a Bible with a lot of archaeological notes, but I looked at it and this particular Bible has like 1900 pages.
Right?
But if I look for the partition between the Old Testament and the New, the Old Testament goes to almost 1400 pages.
In other words, the Old Testament is almost three times as long as the New, and it's almost accurate to say that our Christian Bible well, first of all, it's almost all Jewish, right?
But the Old Testament part, the Jewish scriptures, are the vast majority of our Bible, and to some degree, it maybe is an exaggeration to say that.
The New Testament is like a PS.
It's like a postscript to this kind of big body of the Old Testament.
It's very striking when you look at it that way, isn't it?
It is.
And I've heard it said that the New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed, and the Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed.
And as you see this, take Pesach, the Passover.
And then you go to what, Matthew 18 and Luke 22.
And in Luke 22, it's very telling.
So you say that Jesus is a Palestinian if you take this replacement theology to its furthest.
Craziness.
You mean writing the Jew out of Jesus?
Yeah, writing the Jew out of Jesus.
He specifically says in Luke 22 I have so looked forward to celebrating this Pesach with you.
And then he says, as often as you do this, what is this?
Pesach.
Do this in remembrance of me.
So you get the deliverance out of slavery, and then he sets us free from the law of sin and death by the spirit of life in Christ Jesus.
These are both so important, this Pesach.
And then you find in the early church that at the Council of Nicaea, the Hebrew bishops were forbidden.
And it gets even worse.
They moved Pesach, Passover, to Easter.
They've removed the root of our faith, which is Judaism.
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They're the root.
We're grafted in.
Judaism existed before Christianity did, and salvation is from the Jew.
It's very specific.
Romans 9 through 12, and especially in 11, where it says that we're to provoke the Jews to jealousy.
How do we provoke them to jealousy by calling them the synagogue of Satan and seeking to annihilate 15 to 16 million Jews?
We are focusing on the wrong issue.
You know, you have, what, six, maybe seven million Jews here in Israel.
You've got six million in the United States, and the rest are dispersed around the world.
You have two billion Muslims with Sharia law that is antithetical to a constitutional republic.
And yet, we would choose to focus on the only democracy in the 1040 window, longitude and latitude, where 90% of the Muslim world exists.
And of the 50 nations that are 90% Muslim or more, there is no religious liberty, no religious freedom, and no freedom of speech.
And you are a substandard citizen if you don't subscribe to Islam in these nations.
Now, what if I were to say, as a Muslim, I'm going to play the Muslim for a moment, and I'll say, well, the Jew rejects Christ completely.
I, as a Muslim, consider Jesus to be a prophet.
Therefore, we as Muslims are actually friendlier to you Christians than the Jews because they repudiate your Messiah.
We don't consider him a Messiah, but we consider him to be a great guy.
Yes, but their faith does not demand adherence.
Yours does.
Sharia law demands adherence.
If you're going to be true to your Quran, you demand adherence.
It's antithetical.
To the freedom of religion and the freedom of speech.
And that is the whole point.
And that's why here in Israel, I'm a Christian.
I can attend church.
I can freely speak.
I'm not forbidden to proselytize.
And I have the freedom of speech and freedom of religion here in Israel.
You're saying that the nun with the mustache is wrong and that Christians can actually visit the holy sites unmolested and practice your faith.
And you don't feel intimidated being a Christian in Israel.
This is my 33rd time here.
I have never.
Felt intimidated.
They are the loveliest people.
Now, granted, just like Christians, we're a peculiar people.
Look, I don't, I love bacon, right?
You miss it.
And I think a pig is a perfect animal.
You feed a pig broccoli, it turns it into bacon.
I mean, and it's meat candy.
So, but when I come here, there's kosher diet.
You can't mix cheese with meat, and pork is for, I get all that.
And it's peculiar.
But that doesn't mean you get to annihilate an entire race of people because someone's peculiar.
There would be no McCoys on the earth if that was the judgment.
It's striking to me that when I think of Jesus, that he really only had the Hebrew scriptures, didn't he?
In other words, he had the 1,500 pages and he didn't have the last 500 pages because there was no New Testament.
He was the embodiment of the final pages.
And his teachings were teachings on the Hebrew scriptures.
Always.
And so the repudiation of the Hebrew scriptures would imply the repudiation of the Hebrew scriptures.
Of Jesus' own teachings.
And he never, he would expand on the law as far as making it, for example, in relation to divorce or in relation to murder.
You've heard that it said, Thou shalt not commit murder, but I say to you, if you say to your brother Raka or fool, you're in danger of the fires of hell.
He would add to that, Thou shalt not commit adultery, but if you lust for a woman in your heart, you've committed adultery.
So he would go to the spirit of the law, and you're not saved by the law.
The law doesn't save, it preserves, and as Galatians 3 says, it's a guardian, a teacher.
To point us to Christ until faith comes.
So, one of the things I said at Charlie's memorial is I said, Charlie saw politics as an on ramp to Christianity.
If he could get these young people rowing in the streams of liberty, they'd come to its source.
That came directly out of Galatians 3 that the law is a school teacher, guardian, to point us to Christ until faith comes.
This moral law will point us to the Lord.
We're accountable to Him, we're accountable to each other.
Love your neighbor as yourself.
point of it.
And the Lord didn't come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it.
I mean, Charlie has this book on the Sabbath.
Yeah.
And you know what I think is so interesting about.
And it's sold out.
I mean, you can't even get a copy.
It's so popular.
What I think is so interesting about God is that he could have chosen to declare himself in a kind of neutral or universal way.
Like God could have decided listen, I'm just going to stamp my name on the moon.
And every human, whoever lives on the planet, is going to be able to look up.
But instead, God chooses a kind of peculiar path.
He chooses to.
Enter into history like at a particular point and with a particular people, Abraham and his descendants.
And so, certain places become, in a way, more central to God's plan and his unfolding of history than other places.
Now, this seems to offend some people because they feel like, well, why do I have to?
And in fact, I think the apostles, there was a debate, wasn't there, about whether the Gentiles need to first become Jews in order to be followers of Jesus, but it was settled.
In favor of Paul, who said, No, you don't.
You don't have to follow all the laws spelled out in Deuteronomy or in the Old Testament, but that doesn't mean that you get to get rid of the Ten Commandments or creation or the Exodus or the Psalms or the prophets.
I mean, all of that is still, and it's right here in the Christian Bible.
And you can break the laws up into specific categories.
And when you're dealing with civil laws, some pertain to the issues they were dealing with at the time, but they were always filtered through the moral law.
And so the moral law doesn't fade away.
That's for all mankind for all time.
And it's, you know, I love the idea.
It is the wise restraints that make men free.
Pastor Rob, thank you very much.
You bet.
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The conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, the revival of an ancient conflict recorded in the Bible.
The nation of Israel is a resurrected nation.
What if there was going to be a resurrection of another people, an enemy people of Israel?