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Dec. 5, 2025 - Dinesh D'Souza
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HAPPILY EVER AFTER Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1225
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Is the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians the revival of an ancient conflict recorded in the Bible?
The nation of Israel is a resurrected nation.
What if there was going to be a resurrection of another people, an enemy people of Israel?
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Hi, everyone.
I'm Danielle D'Souza Gill, and I am delighted to be hosting Dinesh's podcast today and for the rest of this week.
I am a mom to two kids, Mayor Gold and Winston, frequently busy with them and my husband, Brandon Gill.
But I'm also the author of two books, The Choice, The Abortion Divide in America, Why God, an Intelligent Discussion on the Relevance of Faith.
If you want to check those out, but we have a lot to talk about today.
We are actually going to talk today about dating.
We're going to talk about how the modern dating scene has changed.
We're going to talk about happiness levels.
We're going to touch on feminism.
We're also going to speak to Father Calvin Robinson about what is happening in the UK with their mass migration and changes in dating as well.
So stay with us.
We have a lot to get to.
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The times are crazy in a time of confusion, division, and lies.
We need a brave voice of reason, understanding, and truth.
This is the Dinesh D'Souza podcast.
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood begins the famous Robert Frost poem, The Road Not Taken.
The stanza continues, and sorry I could not travel both and be one traveler.
Long I stood and looked down one as far as I could to where it bent in the undergrowth.
The general idea behind the poem is that choices are an unavoidable part of life.
Like the two roads in Frost's Yellow Wood, choices frequently present a binary where paths mutually exclude each other.
You can't take both paths at the same time.
You can't literally be going left while you're going right.
And the speaker has to decide which path should I take?
Because once I go down one, even if I veer off, I can never get back to where I was to take the other path.
Though the speaker chooses the path, quote, less traveled by, a careful reading of the poem reveals the speaker isn't certain whether or not he made the right choice.
Today, we often think, oh, that's the best choice because you just did your own thing.
did something random, but he doesn't know that.
Choice is a universal human experience.
We are all of us constantly making choices and having to choose.
And sometimes our choices are mundane.
Sometimes they are, you know, anything that comes up in a given day, what should I eat for breakfast?
But other choices are extremely important with permanent and lasting effects that will forever alter our fate in this life.
Many people don't like to think about the reality of the weight of those choices.
Things like getting married, having children.
People oftentimes like to make light of those decisions and think, oh, you know, it doesn't matter.
It's okay.
Everything will be good.
And just, you know, think in kind of some kind of salve-like way to put that on the wound or to mask what's really going on.
But there's actually a great power in thinking about the weightiness of a decision.
Whether or not to become a Christian, whether or not to live a certain way.
Those are really big decisions.
And many people don't like to think about how weighty they are.
They hope to hold off on making these decisions as long as possible.
But if you're honest, you understand that that too is a choice.
So big choices in early adulthood, especially include whether or not to go to university, go to study a trade.
And then depending on what you decide to do, you have to choose a major, you have to study that trade or become a specialist in something.
But there's probably no choice that can have a bigger impact on not only one's life, but also that of society than the choice to get married.
We all know that marriage is a huge commitment.
And it's not just a private commitment.
It's not just something between two people.
It actually is a covenant with God.
And it also affects the larger society.
It also affects the people around you, the social fabric you're in.
And commitments require sacrifice.
Sacrifice means less time taking, you know, endless trips or doing your own thing and, you know, meeting up with friends for lunch or doing Fortnite if you're into that kind of stuff.
Maybe even less time to focus on work or less ability to have flexibility to move wherever you need to for a specific job.
Because when you're married, you have to take both people's lives into account because you have one life.
You're building a life together.
You're no longer just kind of an individual.
There is less maybe free time to take up a hobby.
There's just all of those things get impacted because you are now with another person building that life together.
But research shows that marriage is ultimately a key to happiness that lasts throughout your life.
According to an article by the Institute of Family Studies, marriage plays mental health dividends throughout one's life, regardless of the married person's generation.
Surprisingly, the benefits effect of marriage are more pronounced for younger millennial and Gen Z couples.
The article states, more importantly, marriage's mental health benefits appear to matter most for young people.
The mental health gap between the married and unmarried is 5.2% for the silent generation, 11.4% for boomers, 15% for Gen Xers, 16.4% for millennials, and 15.7% for Gen Z. Not only that, but marriage improves mental health regardless of the political ideology, race, or education level of those surveyed.
The article refers to this mental health dividend as the marriage advantage, saying, quote, the marriage advantage for mental health is invariant with respect to gender, age, education, income, church attendance, race, political ideology, and parental status.
The size of this advantage within groups is typically large and, with a few small exceptions, remains statistically significant, even in a multivariate analysis incorporating a full range of controls.
As is always the case with correlation, it's not clear if there's a causal effect here or what that causal effect might be.
Does marriage improve mental well-being?
Do the mentally well get married?
Or do both causal relationships exist to some degree?
Furthermore, considering this documented relationship between marriage on the one side and happiness that goes along with it, a recent study by Pew raises a few eyebrows.
The study compared the attitudes of 12th graders in 1993 and 2023 and reveals that the number of students who plan on getting married has fallen from 80% to 67%, but the number of students who say they do not plan to get married has risen from 5% to 9%.
The percentage of young people who aren't even thinking about marriage has almost doubled in 30 years.
We need to ask ourselves, is this a good thing?
Absolutely not.
What is driving this change?
Well, there's more to the data than meets the eye.
That's because among male students, the number of boys who plan on getting married remains virtually unchanged, dropping from 76 to 74%.
That is only 2% change over the last 30 years.
So it is virtually pretty similar, practically a statistical anomaly.
You could even say just based on who you're surveying.
This drop in planning for marriage then is driven almost entirely by female students.
2023 represents an inversion of the previous numbers.
In 1993, 83% of female 12th graders were planning on getting married.
In 2023, that number dropped to a whopping 61%.
In other words, the number of girls in their senior year of high school who plan to get married fell from roughly eight in 10 girls to almost half that number, went down by about 20 percentage points.
So what happened here?
Marriage used to be considered something that little girls would dream about, they would play, imagine, look forward to, and of course, as a woman who's kind of reaching that age, you might be dating with the intention to marry.
Well, that is no longer the case for many young women today, sadly.
This is absolutely devastating and is having massive effects on our entire society.
Marriage used to be considered a common life goal among women.
And now these girls' desire is to get married, but for other girls, it is to avoid marriage.
The choice to get married is now even less common among young women than it is among young men, which is very strange because usually most women want to get married and actually a lot of men want to get married too, but it's usually a little bit less because, you know, women kind of are the ones who, you know, are a little bit more marriage friendly, you could say.
But no, now that's not the case.
Now it's men, again, they've stayed the same.
They've always wanted to get married.
They still want to get married.
It's women.
They're the ones who've changed.
Men have it really hard these days.
They are constantly blamed.
They are constantly pitted against women.
They're constantly made out to be stopping women from excelling in the workplace because we're all about being girl bosses and so on, a bunch of silliness, but it really affects men.
It affects their self-esteem.
It affects their ability to get ahead at work because they're having to compete with twice as many people because we have both genders in the workplace.
And you have a bunch of foreign people coming in, also taking their jobs.
So men are in a really difficult position.
They're tired of being blamed.
They're tired of being guilt-tripped.
And actually, a lot of Christian men in America are incredibly kind people.
So they still manage to respect people around them, but they're getting pretty annoyed about the situation, rightly so.
And so we need to fix it and do something about this because DEI and everything that has come out of the 1960s has been pure poison.
It's been pure poison for men working, but it's been pure poison for women.
Feminism is harmful.
It leads to unhappiness.
It leads to less children.
Children are beautiful.
Babies are amazing.
And it's taken that away from women.
It's taken away beautiful family homes, beautiful family pictures of kids growing up on safe streets with a mom and a dad and attentive parents who are able to focus on them.
And they no longer have these things.
At least a lot of kids don't.
Some do and they're very blessed, but a lot of other kids don't.
And I think we need to really reimagine our society because if we continue down the road we're on, we're going to have extinction because our birth rate is so low.
And we're going to have just a completely changed culture where children are only outsourced to the state where men are not able to get the jobs they need or be as successful as they need to be in order to support a single income home.
We're going to see women who are just left with nothing in life because they choose to not engage with their home and they choose to just give up everything to be a girl boss, so to speak.
We are constantly seeing men blamed for the much aligned term, the patriarchy.
Constantly, we're hearing that narrative perpetuated by liberal culture.
And on top of that, it's been widely reported that the younger generation has struggled more with mental health than their older counterparts.
You'd think we've made progress.
You'd think, oh, you know, young people are so in tune with themselves.
They know all about psychology and therapy, but actually, no, they actually are much more sad.
A lot of the time, happiness is actually pretty simple.
It's correlated to loving God, following God, getting married, having kids, loving your family, having a purpose in life.
I think a reason to get up in the morning, men going out there, asserting themselves, women using their empathy in the right situations with their kids.
But no, we've kind of tried to pathologize happiness and make it seem like we need to look into, you know, anxiety and all these other things to solve stuff when in reality, modernity is really what is causing that pain.
If the correlation between mental health and marriage is indeed causal or synergistic, then our society is about to see a massive increase in lonely, mentally unwell, disgruntled women.
Yes.
Wait, I may have just described the Democrat Party because we all know where those people are voting.
Well, at least one person is placing the blame for this shift among young women towards marriage on Hollywood.
In an article on Fox News, JP de Gamps, who founded and runs the marriage ministry communio, pointed out that movies, particularly Disney movies, have done away with a traditional storybook ending where the prince wins, the princess, you know, gets to end up with the prince, and the two get married and there's a standard happily ever after.
That closing scene is very traditional.
It's seen as very beautiful because that's kind of what every girl wants.
But he points out that a happily ever after ending like this, which used to be standard through Disney movies, even through romantic comedies not too long ago, the idea has all but disappeared from movies since then.
We've now become a cynical society who doesn't even want love.
The most common storyteller among young people has been Disney in many ways because a lot of people grow up watching Disney movies.
The lead character gets the girl, and there is a staple of, you know, ending beautiful kiss or something like that.
But he argues that since then, the traditional happy ever after ending has been replaced by stories focused on independence, self-discovery.
That's now the big thing.
You now have a relationship with yourself.
Wow, I've really come to a higher level.
I've really achieved something because I understand me.
Wow.
That is, that is pretty sad.
People now spend years discovering themselves.
We've seen Emma Watson, who did a big interview, I think with Jay Shetty, this kind of modern podcaster.
And she literally talks about the fact that she's not married, 35.
She's been discovering herself.
She's been going through a lot.
And in a way, it makes sense.
I mean, Hollywood, a lot of them have disturbances.
They have a lot of issues because they started entering Hollywood at such a young age.
They were working crazy hours at a young age.
They might have a lot of just trauma.
And that's fair because some people do have trauma.
But this has now become the norm where a lot of women who honestly at a certain point aren't so young anymore, but they think they're young.
And they're still discovering themselves, still figuring out who they are.
And the reality is who they are is pretty obvious.
Who they are is someone who is a little bit lost.
And that's okay.
I think the solution isn't to beat up on them.
It's not to, you know, just demonize them.
I know a lot of them are liberals, but I'm hopeful that, you know, if they get married, they'll become conservative, have kids, they'll become conservative.
But I think the solution is really to show them the emptiness of that life, the emptiness of just continuing down that road, because just examining yourself, honestly, it's not that interesting.
I think channeling your efforts toward otherness to focus on helping other people is a great thing for women to do because honestly, a lot of women who don't get married, don't have kids through history, they were nuns.
They were devoted to still helping others.
Even though they were celibate, they were still devoting their lives to the Lord.
And so absolutely, am I not saying marriage and kids is the only solution?
There is another path, and that is that path.
But we know many young women are not taking that path.
So for young women to choose instead, oh, I'm just going to be like a man.
I'm just going to, you know, do all the things men do and I'm going to work at my cubicle and make it to the corner office and so on.
That actually leads to the highest rates of unhappiness among women.
Those people are actually the most the most regretful.
They oftentimes spend their later years thinking about what if, what if I had gotten married?
What if I had had children?
And that's why they spend so much time in self-discovery because they have to really dig deep to think about who they are and what that would be.
One recent example was 2025's live-action Snow White remake, which does away with the prince character and downplays the love story angle from the original animated film.
And yes, the now infamous Snow White remake, the one that was roasted because it's so horrible, among its many bemoaned flaws is the change in storyline that recasts Snow White as a fully independent, highly opinionated girl boss.
The actress who would act like she kind of knows everything.
Gone from that movie is the nightly male hero who rescues her from eternal sleep with a gentle kiss.
He's been replaced by a male lead who is more of an afterthought than even the worst movies sidekick.
But the movie was panned.
It's recognized as one of the biggest flops of the year.
And in 2025, the year that broke Hollywood, that is quite the accomplishment.
The fact of the matter is the disappearance of romantic, happily ever after endings from the American Silver Screen isn't limited to Disney.
It isn't limited to recent times.
Recall the anti-romance movie La La Land, which is now almost 10 years old.
That movie features a romantic couple who, spoiler alert, don't end up together in the end.
About 10 years ago is when numerous outlets in industry trades noticed the disappearance of the happy ending, each with its own theory as to where it went.
In 2017, The Cut opined that it had something to do with the advent of dating apps, young people being presented with a constant yet overwhelming stream of choices, only to find themselves perpetually disappointed, some of them giving up.
But anyone who's gone on even one hinge date knows that there's a huge chasm between the promise of the dating app and the reality that can be staggering.
Now, I know people who have met people on dating apps.
So, not saying for everyone this doesn't work out, but just kind of the whole way that it's all set up, it's a little bit, you know, kind of disappointing, I think, for a lot of people because you're not meeting in a natural way.
You're not kind of like meeting in person, getting a sense of their personality and so on.
And a lot of young people are kind of jaded.
So, when you combine these cultural shifts, the kind of women in the workplace, the exceedingly high expectations of men, the angst online from a lot of young men, it's not shocking that we'd start to question what it means to find or even want a romantic soulmate.
The article says that at the end.
I was blessed, met my husband when I was 18, got married out of college at 22, and was engaged when I was in college.
So, I have not gone down any of this road.
But from the people I know who are in this situation, I think it really is kind of trying to find a diamond in the rough or something if you're in a dating app situation.
And ideally, honestly, I think meeting someone through mutual friends, through shared kind of family or interests, of course, worldview.
Of course, number one is going to be worldview.
In 2018, the New York Times, on the other hand, noted that it isn't just the happily ever afters that have disappeared, but the very idea of endings in themselves.
People don't want to see an ending.
And I think that's because if life is disappointing, it's not going the way you want, you think, oh, I don't, this can't be it.
I don't want this to be over.
No, no, no, things are going to change later.
But you see, the ending, it doesn't stop a story, but it does kind of solidify where this couple is.
And of course, marriage continues, you know, life continues even after you get married and have kids.
But there is a peace to it.
There's a stability to it.
Whereas if you're kind of floundering around, you're unsure of yourself, let's assume you're not a priest, you're not a nun, you're not called to that.
You're just kind of wandering.
It can feel destabilizing.
And that's where a lot of young people are as they're getting married later, as they are having kids later, and taking on a lot of that, honestly, just adult responsibilities later.
It's actually not leading to more happiness for them.
It's not leading to anything fulfilling.
It might seem fun because they can take a lot more, you know, weekend trips or do more fun things, but it's not actually fulfilling and it's not even actually fun, I would argue.
Even just if you're looking at pure fun, I don't think they have nearly as much fun as a lot of people who are married to someone they love and have kids because it is wildly fun to be in that state in life.
So if we look at this, you know, kind of these movies, we see that movies like La La Land, Snow White, they're reflective of the infosphere of the internet where content, not story, is king and everything is on an endless stream.
Everything is constant, like TV episodes.
Everything's just things that are happening.
It's kind of postmodern.
There's no real arc.
There's no real meaning.
The Times explains, quote, the novel's bounded story was a technological innovation as much as a formal one.
A novel must end because the physical object of the book will eventually run out of pages.
But news wires and radio reports just keep coming.
And as one author put it, by now, almost nothing that happens benefits storytelling.
Almost any, everything benefits information.
Still yet another British outlet, The Tab, bemoaned the traditional Disney ending in 2016.
The writer of that piece loved the idea of Disney princesses, just not Disney princes.
She saw the idea of finding one's sweetheart and marrying them to be, quote, unrealistic.
The only myth about princess culture I believe to be truly detrimental is the myth of happily ever after.
Films always end in a harmonious note with victorious music, a royal wedding, a villain defeated, and the mending of affected relationships.
The truth is, life is so imperfect.
And while I wish dating, courtship, or romance could be like the movies, love is flawed.
There isn't one marriage or relationship that hasn't had its fair share of arguments, fights, or frustrations.
Humans mess up and the perfect endings of these characters do not reflect the inevitable failures and disappointments life will bring young women.
I think it's only fair young girls be presented with a realistic portrayal of life, end quote.
Wow, that is depressing.
Well, I will say that honestly, her portrayal of life is not realistic either.
And the way that the left portrays life, guess what?
You don't have to choose that life.
A lot of women today, they don't even want that life.
And the fact that some women choose it, like, okay, that's your choice.
You know, that's what you chose, but you're not going to be happy.
It's not a good choice.
Whereas a lot of women actually can't have that happily ever after.
And it's true.
There is going to be difficulties in any relationship.
It's true.
Life's not easy.
You could get sick.
You could get cancer.
You could have, who knows what happened to you.
But having a marriage you can depend on and having a family is just going to provide something so fulfilling that nothing else can really compete with.
It's easy to see that since the article was published, that attitude has become prevailing mindset in Hollywood.
I don't think it was entirely driven by the hopeless mindset of necessarily a modern feminist.
The fuller picture is one where technology has certainly influenced dating.
The desire to create endless content, a generally disparaging view towards men in general has been hugely detrimental to women wanting to get married.
One part is ideology.
The other part is just the judgmental level of young women.
We've seen the phrase, you know, misery loves company.
And I honestly think that's why a lot of women in that situation end up congregating around each other and they just reinforce each other's thoughts.
This is very classic for women who are, let's say, maybe a little bit older and haven't gotten married.
They're oftentimes they're going to be complaining.
The other side's going to be complaining.
Both sides are complaining, like, oh my gosh, he's horrible.
You could say one slightly negative thing about a guy and they will just immediately want to eliminate him.
Now, meanwhile, us who are married, conservative, have kids, women, we're usually like, hold on.
That's not the way that you want to deal with this situation.
So what's strange is how long this has been going on.
This is kind of a recent phenomenon amongst women to take this turn.
But if we've even seen it going on in Hollywood longer, that kind of shows you that this was percolating a little bit earlier than we might have known.
This industry in Hollywood has been so deeply invested in torpedoing the heterosexual marriage relationship that they've done everything they can to tear down men, isolate women, to make it seem like the only positive relationships you'll ever have is with a friend.
I love friendship, but it's simply not the same thing, not to mention you can be friends with your spouse as well.
In, oh, according to the outlet, No Film School, the majority of U.S. film executives predict a complete end to movie going in about 20 years.
Wow.
This revelation was the result of a poll of 246 industry professionals and concluded, quote, over half of the U.S. exhibition executives surveyed, specifically 55%, believe that the current cinema model has less than two decades left as a sustainable business.
Well, in some hand, I'm kind of like, maybe that's good because Hollywood's going to really take a hit and Hollywood is full of liberals.
But on the other hand, I'm like, I don't know.
I feel like the cinema, the movie theater is a little bit more classic than just being on your phone streaming movies all night.
So if that's the alternative, I don't know if that's ideal because I think it's good to have kind of an experience of, you know, watching something and then moving on with your life.
But why are they continuing on this path?
Because it's not good for Hollywood.
The more they go woke, the more they go broke.
It's not good for the country.
The stories we consume contribute to how we see ourselves, the ideas we strive to embody.
The organization that this author from the Fox News article has documented that marriage reduces feelings of loneliness, a problem that's become epidemic, especially among young people.
He notes that the experience of marriage has even helped those whose spouses have died.
Quote, in all, 68% of never married men in their 30s are considered lonely, while 64% of the never married women in this age group are considered lonely.
To put this in perspective, there are 10% more never married men in their 30s who are considered lonely than there are widows in their 50s who are lonely.
So I think what he's trying to say is if you are an unmarried 30, you're actually going to be more lonely than if you're a widow at 50.
And that kind of makes sense because if you're a widow at 50, you have so many beautiful memories.
And so, anyways, you miss out on all of that.
Issues like fatherlessness and cohabitation are also correlated to greater feelings of loneliness, as well as a tendency to forego religious practice.
This seems pretty obvious, but yes, living together or not having a father in the home, very destructive.
As we've probably discussed before, there is a strong correlation between following traditional Christian beliefs and physical and mental health.
It's looking more and more like our very human natures point us toward God or sin.
We can kind of choose.
And when we choose God and we choose the true, the beautiful, and to live a traditional life, it is impossible to not conclude that that leads to higher levels of happiness.
In a world where the culture rejects family, rejects faith, the result has been self-imposed isolation.
That eventually leads to mental breakdowns, it leads to madness, it leads to higher depression, anxiety, suicide rates, because it's just not natural.
Could it be that we like happily ever and have happily ever after endings because we intrinsically recognize that that is the best possible way for our story to end?
Who put that intrinsic desire within human hearts?
Maybe the same God who ends his Bible with the book of Revelation, the book depicting the triumphal marriage of Christ to his bride, the church, the original happy ever after.
Marriage isn't just a union of one man and one woman, it is the part of life where the couple enters the storybook, and the storybook becomes incarnated in real life through the couple.
And our attitude towards stories impacts how we feel about the institution of marriage.
The author notes that the secret to more marriages is to prioritize getting married over other life goals.
His advice runs counter to the prevalent newer attitude towards marriage, something scholars call the capstone model.
In the capstone model, marriage is entered into only after getting ahead in your career, after reaching some level of financial or personal achievement.
Individuals who pursue the capstone model often have a longer list of requirements before selecting a mate, and sex before marriage is common in that model.
Horribly.
While some celebrate this shift, the explosive and societally dangerous levels of loneliness among the never married shows one major defect in capstone marriage.
At the other end of the spectrum is the cornerstone model, which is a more biblical approach.
A cornerstone model isn't some sort of reward you treat yourself with when you finally conquer the corporate ladder.
It is the model where you start your life with marriage and build your happiness on top of it.
You tackle your kind of life trajectory together.
Under a cornerstone model, marriage is seen as an essential relationship to construct a happy and successful life.
One accesses marriage in a cornerstone model before fully establishing himself or herself professionally.
For Christians, it is held up as the most common path to grow in holiness.
When this model is embraced, chastity is much more common in the marriage.
Which of those two models is more likely to resonate with present-day Hollywood?
Well, of course, you know the answer to that question.
It is definitely the first one.
And which one is more likely to correlate with happiness?
The second one.
Finding a spouse isn't about the princess swiping right, you know, for a decade.
It is about really just meeting someone where they are, sharing those common worldview values, and getting married younger, choosing to embrace life and embark on that journey together.
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I am delighted to welcome our guest today, Father Calvin Robinson.
He is a priest, broadcaster, and our wonderful guest today.
So, Calvin, thanks so much for joining us.
My absolute pleasure.
Thank you for having me on.
Of course.
Well, you sound like you're from Britain, but you live in Michigan right now.
But you have put out some interesting stuff out there on what's been happening in Britain.
When, first of all, did you leave the UK?
And how do you feel like it's changed a lot?
Because I feel like it's changed so much in just the last decade, 20 years, and so on.
But maybe you can tell us a little bit about when you were last there.
Absolutely.
I left a year ago.
I mean, I've been back and forth since, but I moved out a year ago because things are dire.
Things are getting really, really bad.
Now, I've lived in London for 20 years, and London is not the place I moved into 20 years ago.
It's a very, very different city now.
I think the left have been arguing for so long on this basis of DEI, diversity, equity, and inclusion, that the right have taken it on board.
And what it's meant is that we don't have a homogenous culture anymore in our major cities.
We just have this hodgepod of all different competing cultures.
And, you know, people argue left, right, and center for a multicultural society, but it doesn't work.
You can argue for a multi-ethnic society if you like, but you can't really have multi-culture because you have to have a culture that people assimilate into and integrate into.
Otherwise, people are just at each other's throats.
And unfortunately, in London, quite literally, you know, knife crime is at an all-time high.
Homelessness is high.
All violent crimes are up at record levels.
And it's because people don't get on with each other.
There's a low trust society being built by people of different enclaves.
You've got your Punjabi area over there, your Gujarati area over there, your Pakistani area there.
It's like this is, we're bringing foreign combative kind of tribes to the West.
And people that haven't gone on in the East are not going to get on in the West, unfortunately.
So yeah, I left London partly because I got called out here to parish and I'm very blessed for that calling, but also partly because if I stayed in London much longer, I could have been killed by a wild Mohammedan or I could have been arrested by our tyrannous government, who is, you know, which is oppressing free speech at every opportunity it gets.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's become increasingly dangerous over there.
But before we dive into it in more details, maybe you can tell us also, because I totally agree with you, multiculturalism does not work.
Can you explain to just people, because sometimes people who don't know can get confused, how do you explain multiculturalism versus some people think it only means, you know, like melanin or your skin color.
But I feel like there's more than just that.
It's the culture and it's, as you mentioned, having a high trust society and all of that.
And so how do you explain that to people?
Because it doesn't equal the same exact definition.
Right.
So I would say that nations and tribes are God ordained and he doesn't want one world government that is the Antichrist.
He doesn't want globalism, essentially.
And Christianity is the opposite of globalism.
Christianity is the family, the community and the nation.
And Christianity teaches us two main things to love God and to love your neighbor as yourself.
Now, where people get confused is on that principle of neighbor.
So my neighbor is the person closest to me most often, person similar to me most often.
Not always, but it doesn't mean the person furthest away from you who you have nothing in common with.
And that's an issue.
So there is a priority of an order of help first and foremost.
But secondly, multiculturalism, the principle of it is anti-Christian because Christianity is itself a faith, but it also breeds a culture.
So Christianity founded our legal system, for example, through the evolution of common law, which came from the Ten Commandments.
Or in England, our hereditary peer system and our monarchy, or, you know, from the Book of Kings, we believe in the divine right of kings, that our king is the highest authority in the land, but he has an authority higher than him, which is important because he's not an absolute monarchy in the sense that whatever he wants to do, he can do.
He is essentially to be held on judgment day accountable for his leadership.
And this is important because we teach ourselves we have a servant leadership, which Christ modeled, and that everyone has a degree of accountability.
But multiculturalism doesn't take that on board because you get cultures from different parts of the world that don't agree with common law, that don't agree with the divine right of kings, that don't agree with any of our modern systems.
And they are modern from the last 2,000 years or so.
And so a prime example of that, let's speak about law then.
We have a basic legal system in our country that has evolved over a thousand years.
Someone can come to our country and say, no, we want Sharia, which is an Islamic law.
And it's very different to our legal system.
And in fact, in the United Kingdom now, there are 85 Sharia courts where people go and they're held accountable by themselves to their own legal system, which is parallel to ours.
And of course, that doesn't work because it will breed all kinds of contentions, such as divorce and honor killing and paedophilia and all kinds of things that we don't need to go into, but they're evil.
And the problem there is that it's not the way of the land.
And so we have different cultures with different legal systems and different ideas and different faiths, different ideologies, which one is the right one.
And so the purpose of a nation is to say, this is what we are as a people.
This is who we are.
This is what we believe.
And of course, we believe in free will.
So we can say England is an explicitly Christian country, right?
With a Christian king, with a state church, an established church, with bishops in the House of Lords and the legislative.
You know, it's explicitly Christian.
But you don't have to be Christian.
You can choose not to be Christian.
That's where the freedom comes in.
What we should do is draw the line and say, but that also means that we can't have Mohammedans in the House of Lords or the House of Commons in Parliament.
It means we can't have Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, Muslims putting forth their ideas and their principles because we are a Christian country.
That's not to say that their ideas are bad.
I think some of them are, but that's not even a judgment call.
That's just saying we think that our ideas are good.
We think they're objectively good because Christ is the objective good.
He is universal truth.
And so we govern our country based on him, based on his principles.
No other idea.
That should be okay.
If you have a system like that, you can say we can take some people in who are of different ethnicities, for example.
So maybe brown people, yellow people, whatever.
Like your immutable characteristics don't matter as much as your faith, your culture, and your ideologies.
They are what matter.
And we can, we can, even within those bounds, we can say, look, as a country, we want to help people.
We want to take in a certain number of refugees that won't cripple our system.
This is the amount of people we can help.
And these are the places we want to help them from.
Northern Nigeria, where Christians are being killed by Mohammedans today, as we speak.
Southern Sudan, Artzak, Armenia.
These are places where Christians are being oppressed, persecuted, and killed.
These are people that aren't like us, as in ethnically, they're not like us, but they do share our culture and they share our faith.
And so there's an element of homogeneity that they'd be able to better integrate and assimilate into our culture.
That's a good thing.
Whereas when we take people from Mohammedan countries that are Mohammedan, that follow Muhammad, the Prophet Muhammad, we can say that's a contradictory ideology, contradictory culture, contradictory faith, and it's harmful.
And we can see the fruits of that.
We can see the people killing each other on the streets.
Yeah, definitely.
And it's crazy because many people get kind of, you know, weird about the idea of multiculturalism.
But in reality, if you want a Christian culture, you can't really also then say, oh, we want these other cultures that are anti-Christ or want to destroy Christianity and are diametrically opposed to it.
Especially they're, I think, at this point, outnumbering the Christians in England.
We have a lot of this going on.
It's not just like a little bit here and there, because I think for a while when maybe, you know, 50 years ago, people thought, oh, it wouldn't be, you know, that destabilizing.
But when you look at just the sheer number, it's just inherently destabilizing to so many countries in Europe.
What do you think has led to it just exploding at that level?
There are multiple elements there, but just to get some numbers out there, for the first time in English history, so England was founded as a Christian country in, I think, 927 AD.
So for the first time in over a thousand years, Christianity is no longer the predominant faith.
So atheism and Islam are taking over, essentially, which is a great shame to see.
We only have to look at the major cities.
In London, white British Christians or just white Britons alone are no longer the majority.
Christians are no longer the majority.
And so there's new ethnic people, there's a new religious people taking over, quite literally.
And so we can ask the questions, well, why?
What's led to this?
Multiple things.
One of them is abortion, the grave evil of abortion, in that British people are killing themselves off.
So for every 100 births in the United Kingdom, there are 48 abortions.
So one third of all babies are being killed before they get the chance to live.
That's a bit, but you can't survive with those numbers.
And so the replacement rate isn't being met.
You know, a husband and a wife need to have on average two children for a species to survive, for the mother and father to replace themselves.
In the United Kingdom, it's between 1.2 and 1.4 at the moment.
And so mother and father aren't replacing themselves.
That number's going down quite rapidly, quite scarily, which means that British people are eventually going to die out unless something changes.
If nothing changes between now and 2060, British people will be in a minority across the entirety of Great Britain.
That should scare anyone.
Even people that support multiculturalism should be able to say, well, that culture there is dying out.
Those people are dying out.
What can we do?
And I suppose a lot of it is promote the family, right?
So you look at lots of immigrant families, they promote their family.
Lots of Mohammedans have multiple wives and multiple children.
And unfortunately, they happen to be living off the state.
They're living off welfare and benefits.
And so the people that are dying out are paying for the people that are thriving.
So it doesn't quite work.
But there has to be a way to support and incentivize the family again.
Right.
And it seems like there's almost, I mean, there's certainly this cultural attack on family values.
Certainly it's not cool to, you know, kind of lean into that space more.
But I think it's so important to celebrate, especially motherhood, because feminism has led to just women abandoning motherhood, wanting to have children.
At least in the U.S., I think a lot of young men do want to get married and have kids.
But we're seeing data showing that it's women who are the ones who want to put off marriage, put off having kids.
And so how do we kind of get back to a place where people desire that?
They even want that.
I know a lot of people bring up the economic strains on families, all those things.
But you mentioned, well, what about these other families that let's say in Britain who are living off of the state, but they still want to have a ton of kids?
I'm not saying that's the solution.
But, you know, I mean, what is it about the underlying ideology that's been an attack on the family?
Yes.
Thank you for saying that, Danielle.
That's key.
That is absolutely key.
Feminism is the rots at the core of our society, unfortunately.
Jobs don't matter, right?
Jobs are there so that we can survive, right?
The whole shape of society used to be that a man would do a job so that the woman didn't have to.
The man would provide and protect.
The husband and the father would provide and protect so that a woman could do the most blessed vocation in the world, which is become a mother.
There's nothing greater than that.
And the purpose of that is to go forth and multiply, is to create more good Christians in the world.
And the job of a mother is to raise her children.
But unfortunately, we live in a society where women have been convinced that actually, no, it's not their job to raise their children.
Just hand your children off to childcare or hand your children off to the state and you should go work and make money.
Why?
What's important about working?
What's important about making money?
You can't take it with you, right?
Your soul, you take with you.
Your children's souls, you take with you.
The whole purpose of parents is to make sure that your children are saved, to make sure that they're good Christians, that they're going to go to heaven.
That's the only treasure you get to keep from this life, right?
And so having a bigger car and a bigger house and a bigger salary, none of it matters.
It's all dead.
It's all empty.
And actually, the only person that wins is the tax man.
Having both the husband and the wife or the mother and the father working, the only person that benefits is the taxman and the people that live off benefits and welfare, the people that live off the fruit of the tax man.
And so a good family structure is a husband and a father going out to work to toil and labor as a result of the fall to provide and protect for his wife, who is the mother, who raises the children.
And this is one thing that Americans tend to do better than we do back in Britain, but homeschooling, home education.
It's not the state's job to educate children.
In fact, the state does a poor job at it.
Public schools are horrendous at indoctrination.
We see this all the time.
Parents get inaugural, why are they teaching my children that they can become the opposite gender or that this, that, and the other?
It's like, well, why are you leaving it up to them in the first place?
It's your job.
It's a parent's job.
Parents' first responsibility is to protect, provide, and educate their children.
Absolutely.
And it's crazy to me because in many ways, I think before women kind of entered the workforce more, before abortion, before, you know, contraceptives and all of that, it was like that was really the women's place.
And I don't mean to say the home in a, you know, very kind of like negative way.
It's actually a positive thing.
Actually, it's a beautiful thing because that job of being a wife, being a mother, and raising the next generation, influencing them has in many ways, maybe more impact than, you know, something that you could do otherwise.
Of course, what men do is extremely important because they're protectors, providers, and all of that.
But if you don't have that balance, that complementarian relationship between men and women, the whole society just unravels.
We are not going to see those birth rates.
We're not going to see even just flourishing culture.
We're not going to see beautiful art.
We're not going to see just a society that really built great things, right?
Because, I mean, Britain had such a beautiful empire.
And now I just, it's so upsetting to see what's happened today.
I mean, America in many ways, we, you know, we kind of came out of Britain and we're, I guess, the rebels of Britain.
But, you know, there's such a close connection there.
And so I hate to see what's going on in Britain because I feel like America is only a few steps behind that.
And so we have to really prevent it from getting to that extreme level of whether it's the multiculturalism, the rise of radical Islam, the complete drop in birth rates.
So I'm hoping that through cultural change, women will want to turn away from feminism.
What do you think are some of the biggest things that I guess have led people to even want feminism or want to turn to abortion and all of these things?
Because them becoming available was obviously horrible.
But now that it is available, what do you think has kind of led to that?
Yeah, it's the lie that we've been told since the beginning, that everyone must be equal.
No one's equal, right?
You and I aren't equal in that I'm probably a few feet taller than you, which means I can reach on shelves higher than you, or you may have advantages that I don't have.
Like this is life.
We all have advantages and disadvantages.
And nobody is equal in heaven.
There is a hierarchy in heaven.
Even within God, there's a hierarchy.
This is important.
You know, angels, thrones, dominions, principalities, powers.
And so the enemy wants us all to be equal because the enemy wanted to be equal with God.
This is what it all comes down to.
Satan wanted to be equal with God and he could not be.
And so he whispered in the ear of Eve in the Garden of Eden, you can be like God too.
You can eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
You can know the difference between good and evil.
You can be like God.
And it's a lie.
And this is what the feminist movement is.
It's women can be equal to men.
No, we're not interchangeable.
We're equal in terms of dignity and worth in the eyes of God.
But in many ways, we're not equal.
Women are more emotionally intelligent.
Women are, we call them the fairer sex because women are more nurturing, more empathetic.
And these are good things.
These are good traits, especially within the bounds of a family.
They're not good things when it comes to voting and politics.
But men are generally stronger, faster.
And these are good things for providing and protecting.
And we used to recognize each other's strengths.
And the feminist movement said, no, no, no, women can be exactly like men.
Women can go out and work like men.
Women can be strong like men.
And to the exception, yes, of course, there are always women that can be as strong or stronger than men, but not in general.
And generalizations matter because the two are supposed to come together, like you say, to complement each other, but to help each other.
When Eve was created, she was literally created as a helper to Adam, right?
She wasn't created to be his equal.
She was created to help him.
And that's an important distinction that people don't want to hear because they think it means inferior, but of course it's not.
It's like the man's role is to love, honor, serve his woman.
And you don't do that to something that is inferior to you.
But the point is that because the feminists persuaded women that they need to become equal to men, they've essentially persuaded women to want to be men.
And this is why feminists, you know, you have to, we started out with the butch feminist who was, you know, trying to become look like a man.
And then we ended up with transgenderism where we have trannies who are saying, I am a man.
And that's absurd.
But in order to work in a men's environment and to be in a man's space, women had to do away with their greatest vocation, which is motherhood.
And so contraception is evil for that point, because it meant that the sexual act could be divorced from marriage, divorced from love, and actually could mean that you could do the pleasure side without the consequences.
You didn't have to raise a family.
And abortion is the same.
You can kill your baby so you can go back to work and be like a man, live like a man.
It's not good.
It's the gravest evil in human history.
We are living in the most evil time in human history.
You know, through abortion, since it was decriminalized in like the 1970s, women have killed more human beings than men have killed in every single war, pestilence, plague, and famine throughout history combined.
That is how evil abortion is.
And for some reason, it's seen as acceptable and even celebrated at times.
We are living in the dark ages.
Yeah, it is extremely evil.
And I think that it just shows kind of the subhuman nature of modernity because it just seems like we're just getting further and further away from, I don't know, I guess like, I don't know if you've heard about kind of that idea of there's like more natural sins versus unnatural sins.
And I guess an example of abortion is it's just very unnatural because you're killing your own child.
You're killing a human being.
And it's something that should be celebrated.
Children should be celebrated.
And even in the Bible, it's like so many women who would struggle with infertility.
They'd be like, so excited when it was, you know, kind of they could have a baby.
And now it's kind of like the opposite.
Now it's like babies are not celebrated.
They're not treasured.
They're definitely not welcome in a lot of kind of public spaces.
You know, you want to kind of be polite and, you know, be aware of other people.
But also children are, you know, they're kind of make some noise, especially those, the toddlers and so on, the babies.
So I just think people have become so intolerant of kids.
And there's like an attack on children in another level, even in addition to attack on women.
Yeah, there is.
Absolutely.
The greatest thing you can see in a church is young children and hear them crying and running around and just being children, right?
And it's a sign of a healthy church.
It's a sign of a dying church when you have no children.
But you're absolutely right.
In any part of society, we should expect to see children there because they are the new life and we are raising them.
And to raise a next generation doesn't mean to teach them explicitly, like to give them facts and information.
It means to teach them implicitly too.
We learn so much through osmosis.
You know, the reason that children get strong faith is because they see their parents with strong faith.
When you see your father kneeling before the altar, you realize there's something greater than your father that he's looking up to, that he's accountable to, and that does something on the inside.
It affects your heart, it softens your heart for God.
And so, we need children to be in these positive environments at all times.
And you're right, there's a growing intolerance because they're seen as an obstacle, they're seen as a burden, they're seen as something to be kept out of the way because it prevents you again from the career.
The career is becoming the idol of the modern age, and it's resulting in us literally dying out.
Yeah, and it's crazy to me too with the crime in Britain, because you would think this would make women say, Hold on, this is bad, this is not good.
You know, this is kind of an obvious issue you'd think that they would be against because it's they're the weaker, they're the weaker sex, they're walking around getting attacked.
Do you think that women in the UK are waking up to be, I don't know if they would call it right-wing, but I guess against all of this multicultural immigration of violent, violent people?
Um, has that led to anything over there?
Unfortunately, not.
There's a thing called suicidal empathy, right?
So, empathy can be a good thing, but you can go too far on that scale and have so much empathy that it damages yourself and your people.
That's what we have in Britain: in that affluent, white, liberal females are a particular demographic that causes a problem because they'll say, Well, of course, those people over there have a hard life, of course, they should be welcome to come over here, and of course, we shouldn't have borders.
Anyone should become able to come and live here because we have a great thing, and we do have a great thing, but that thing is no longer great.
That thing is dying out because we've allowed too many people in who want to harm us.
And that's why there's a distinction between men and women because men would put out the boundary and say, No, those people want to harm us, we're not letting them in.
Whereas the woman's natural heart would be, oh, let's help them.
And so, that's why working together is great.
But, but in essence, this is why universal suffrage has harmed us as a society because it's meant that there's no longer a vote for the household, for the family.
The family doesn't decide how it's voting.
The husband votes, and then the wife goes out and undermines his vote.
And so, they're literally canceling each other out now-the man and the wife.
And men and women in general are going in such opposite-there's a divergence, they're going in such opposite directions.
Men are becoming more right-wing because they're seeing the problems that the West is facing, that Christendom is facing, and wanting to protect it.
Women are going even further to the left because they are not seeing the problems, but they're seeing the fruit of the problems and they want everyone to be happy, everyone to get along.
Why do we have to have this competing?
Like, can't we all just be it?
Doesn't work that way, unfortunately.
But the more affluent you are, and particularly amongst women, the more empathetic you are, the more dangerous you are to society.
And this is why I genuinely believe that women voting has been a mistake.
Yeah, absolutely.
And it's sad because that human, kind of feminine empathy would be so beautiful if it was kind of you know, channeled towards your children.
But ironically, that's who they don't want to give the empathy to.
That's who they are killing off.
That's who they are not, you Know sharing that love with, and instead they want to give that empathy to some foreign refugee turned killer.
And it really doesn't make sense because I think it's just a total misplacement of empathy.
Um, and I think in the home, children really need that kind of like responsive care, they need a loving mother who is going to, in a way, feel everything that they're feeling.
Like if they cry, like you feel that pain because you're like, oh my gosh, I need to help you right now.
Like you're crying, you know.
And so I think women need that because they have to keep them alive, feed them, like make sure that they're surviving.
But putting that empathy out towards just strangers and complete random individuals who even don't share your worldview, don't share your culture and so on, but are completely antithetical to your existence really just doesn't make sense.
But then turning against your own family, your own potential children also doesn't make sense.
So I'm not sure how those two things got so switched, other than from the lie of feminism and from these women just also, I think, not even being married.
Because I think there's a lot of data showing that like married women are much more likely to be more conservative, whereas these kind of more single feminist women are pretty much all more liberal.
100%.
We need to promote these basic truths that we've known for a long, long time: that people need to get married, people need to have children, and people need to teach their children the faith.
That is the only way we save society.
It really is by returning to Christ through prayer.
But we only do that by teaching the faith, and we only do that by having children.
We only do that by getting married.
We've done away with all of those things.
We live in a society where most people no longer get married, most people no longer have children, and most people no longer have the faith.
It's quite simple.
Yeah.
Wow.
Well, thank you so much, Father Calvin, for joining us today.
I really appreciate all of your thoughts.
And hopefully, things can get better soon.
God bless you.
Thank you.
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