Dinesh D'Souza - JIHAD IN AMERICA Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1221

Dec. 1, 2025 - Dinesh D'Souza

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JIHAD IN AMERICA Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1221

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	Coming up, jihad in America, it's not just coming, it's here.
	I'll give you the details.
	I want to talk about Tim Waltz and a massive rip-off scandal that has now come to light in his state of Minnesota.
	And Professor James Tour, the distinguished chemist and computer scientist, will join me.
	We're going to talk about apologetics and the Bible and the relationship specifically between Judaism and Christianity.
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	I hope that you had a really great Thanksgiving full of good food and family and gratitude, which is the message and importance of Thanksgiving.
	Now, right over the Thanksgiving weekend, when we didn't have the podcast, there was this very shocking incident of an Afghan in America shooting two members of the National Guard in Washington, D.C. As it turns out, one remains injured and the other, a young woman, dies.
	Now, this guy, the ungrateful Afghan, I'm going to call him, and I meant to say ungrateful because these are people who were brought to America to be safe, to get away from war-torn Afghanistan, to have a better life, to contribute to our society, and look where we get.
	This is what Debbie called jihad in America.
	And in fact, there have been some reports.
	I haven't seen this from any official statement, but from some news reports, that the guy even shouts like Allahu Akbar or something to that effect as he shoots these two people.
	By the way, this guy, the shooter, was brought to America under Biden in the Operation Help Our Allies.
	And I'll come back to that in a moment.
	He was brought to Washington State.
	He apparently lived there with a millionaire family that is a sort of left-wing receptacle for these kinds of imports.
	He lived with them for a while, as did many other Afghans, apparently.
	Then he was resettled into a kind of housing unit where apparently Americans have a hard time getting in there.
	And this guy has a $2,000 a month rent, but evidently that's being paid by the government.
	He's on all kinds of benefits.
	He doesn't really work.
	He's got a wife and five kids.
	So we're ultimately paying for these Afghans to have the stay-at-home lifestyle in which not only do you have, it's not just a matter of having one working provider and everybody else stays home.
	Everybody stays home here, including the dad and the mom and the five kids.
	And this is what we've evidently signed up to do in this country.
	You can tell it's on the face of it preposterous.
	It's on the face of it outrageous.
	And it is a drain, an unfair drain on the U.S. taxpayer.
	Now, this guy from Washington State makes his way across the entire country to do this ambush.
	It's hard to see why he came for any other purpose.
	He came to Washington, D.C., evidently to do jihad, to do Allahu Akbar.
	And it's pretty interesting based upon an article in the New York Post out, just out, that the article claims, quoting Christy Noam, that this guy was actually radicalized in America.
	Now, Debbie is nodding her head as if to say, no, He was radicalized kind of at birth by virtue of being a Muslim, by virtue of embracing these core Islamic concepts.
	I mean, jihad, in fact, is not exactly some, quote, radical idea.
	Jihad is in the Quran.
	So all Muslims believe in some form of jihad.
	And all Muslims believe in the distinction between the House of Islam and what is called the House of War or the House of the Infidel.
	And so there is an argument here to be had over whether or not we're dealing with the problem of Islam itself or whether we're dealing with the problem of Islamic radicalism.
	In some ways, you could say both could be true in the sense that what happened to this guy here is he becomes part of a jihadi community that is making all these kinds of plans and plots.
	And he goes, okay, I'm going to do it.
	And they cheer him on.
	And then he goes ahead and perpetrates this act of terrorism, not merely of violence, but of terrorism.
	I say this because you hear a lot of rhetoric about, you know, senseless violence.
	Well, it's not senseless from their point of view.
	The perpetrators don't think it's senseless.
	It's only senseless if you assume that there's no possible motive, there's no possible cause, but there is a cause and there is a motive.
	And the motive is by and large a kind of civilizational war between these Islamic radicals and the rest of us, particularly the West, particularly we who are classed in the group of the infidels.
	And if all of this wasn't like bad enough, not long before it now comes out, you have a second case.
	And I'm looking here at an Afghan national is arrested on terrorism charges after posting a video saying he was building a bomb and targeting the Fort Worth, Texas area.
	This is Muhammad Dawood Alokozai.
	And turns out, how'd he get here?
	Same way.
	Under Biden, you have this program called Operation Allies Welcome.
	Now, first of all, I'm already getting irritated at these sorts of benign names that we give to things.
	Operation Allies Welcome.
	And we're all supposed to stand there and cheer because guess what?
	We, you know, we're doing an operation and involves our allies, and we all got to welcome them.
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	Except that when you step back and take a good look at what is happening on the ground at the Kabul airport, nobody is sifting between allies and enemies.
	Nobody is making any distinctions.
	I kept hearing at the time, and to some degree, I must say I believed it.
	Well, you know, a lot of these people were translators.
	Well, if you brought 100 people to this country who had who showed their work ID and they were doing translations for U.S. forces, and the idea was, let's not leave them to the mercy of the Taliban, they're all going to be killed.
	I would be somewhat more sympathetic to that.
	But we brought something like 200,000 people here in total.
	I'm talking about the people who came on the planes.
	And by the way, we now know that those planes were just, they just filled up the planes.
	There was actual directives coming from the White House.
	Say anybody who's trying to get in, let him on.
	No problem.
	No vetting, no checking.
	All the assurances of vetting turn out to be bogus and false and lies.
	But above and beyond that, lots of people were brought subsequent to that, also under the same program.
	So, what?
	We have 200,000, quote, translators.
	We needed that many translators for U.S. forces?
	No.
	This was a ruse.
	This whole idea, they create a benign image.
	They find the most sympathetic example.
	The most sympathetic example is the young Afghan guy who's like dutifully following around the U.S. soldier.
	May I translate for you?
	May I help you out?
	And essentially, they say that's the kind of guy we're bringing in, even though in reality that is not the case.
	So, between this Afghan operation and basically a porous border, you can only imagine what kind of lunatics and psychos and jihadis and criminals are now in this country.
	It's not even a simple matter of let's secure the border, let's not bring any more in.
	They're already here, they're in.
	They walk among us, so to speak.
	What can be done to get rid of them is now an important question, because I think ultimately you can't wait for each of these guys who has a bent to violence, who has a plan to execute somebody or to stab somebody.
	We can't go, all right, let's wait, let's see what happens.
	And once they do that, then we're going to really go after them and really, really get them and really lock them up or really send them home.
	No, there has to be a way ultimately to deal with this problem now.
	And these incidents are almost a kind of warning or wake-up call to the country saying, look, this is what we got under Biden.
	The country, in fact, deteriorated enormously in the last four years, not just in the familiar indices of inflation and economic deterioration, but also in terms of the insecurity that all of us now face as a result of the irresponsible,
	reckless, and in fact, maliciously evil decisions that were made by the senior people in the Biden administration.
	We're living with it now.
	This unfortunate young National Guardswoman is dead because of it.
	Other people, I think, are likely to be harmed or die before we fully wake up to this problem.
	And yet, we ought to wake up sooner rather than later.
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	A giant scandal is brewing, or maybe I should say has broken out into the open in Minnesota.
	And it involves the governor, Tim Waltz.
	And the scandal was reported on in conservative media and places like City Journal and other places, but it was largely ignored by the mainstream media.
	In fact, notice that nobody talked about any of this in the 2024 election campaign.
	It's not because journalists didn't know about it.
	They knew about it, but they didn't want to bring it up.
	Why?
	Because they were essentially campaigning for Tim Waltz.
	They didn't want Waltz to look bad.
	They felt that if Waltz looks bad, it's going to hurt Kamala Harris.
	It's going to hurt the Democratic ticket.
	And so they essentially decided to look the other way.
	And that is what they did.
	But now the New York Times has, in a way, pushed this article out into the open.
	And it is a giant scandal.
	It's a giant scandal in part because of its magnitude.
	We're not talking about a million dollars.
	We're talking about giant amounts of money, hundreds of millions of dollars, possibly as much as a billion dollars, being ripped off in the state of Minnesota.
	Ripped off from who?
	Ripped off from the taxpayer.
	And ripped off by who.
	Ripped off, by and large, by a kind of welfare industry that became accustomed to doing fraud and became accustomed to doing fraud on a massive scale.
	Not only were fraudulent checks being cashed, not only were fraudulent invoices being produced, but you have people who weren't even living in the country who were submitting invoices.
	The invoices were getting paid.
	And so what you have is a massive racket that was going on involving, well, involving a lot of members, I should say, of the Somali community, although not exclusively the Somali community.
	The Somali community was able to pull this off.
	And one reason they were able to pull this off is that when there were earlier indications that there was fraud, the Somali activists would just say, we will accuse you of racism if you go after us.
	And so the state agencies, democratically run, by the way, would quickly back off, quickly drop the investigation, and the fraud would not only continue, but would expand for the simple reason that when you decide I'm not going to go after the bad guys, the bad guys become emboldened and they start to do more of it.
	Here's a quote from the New York Times article that is very telling.
	No one was doing anything about the red flags.
	It was like someone was stealing money from the cookie jar and they kept refilling it.
	So here you have a description of how the fraud is allowed to occur.
	It's allowed to occur because the people who are managing the money allow it to occur.
	This is not a case.
	Very often we think of this in terms of, oh, look at all the government waste.
	Look at all the colossal incompetence.
	This is the natural way to think about it, but in a way it's wrong.
	This is not a case of incompetence.
	Incompetence is when you are genuinely trying to protect the public purse and you fail to do it because somebody outwits you or you end up because you have no profit margin, you have no bottom line, you end up doing things inefficiently.
	That's not what's going on here.
	What's going on here is that the Democratic establishment of Minnesota is aware of the fraud.
	They are scared of pursuing the fraud and they derive benefits from the fraud.
	What are those benefits?
	Well, the benefits are on the election front because part of what's happening is you've got a massive network of these NGOs and non-profit groups.
	They are siphoning off a lot of the fraudulent money that's filtering out.
	So not all of it is going to citizens.
	Quite a bit of it is being diverted to various groups and agencies.
	And these groups, by the way, are all involved, or a number of them are involved, in basically election shenanigans.
	What are those shenanigans?
	Finding illegals, getting them driver's licenses, getting them social security cards.
	Obviously, if you get them social security cards, they start qualifying for social security benefits.
	But equally important, once you have a driver's license and a social security card, guess what?
	You are now able to vote.
	And so it is the case, it is emphatically the case that many of these illegals not only can vote, but have voted in recent elections.
	So the financial fraud and the welfare fraud is connected to the election fraud.
	And all of this is enabled by the Democratic establishment of the state.
	So all of this demands accountability, but not at the level that is being contemplated.
	Because the level that's being contemplated, I just saw an interview with Tim Waltz.
	He's like, well, he goes, you know, he goes, he doesn't take responsibility for the fraud, even though he oversaw all of it.
	And not only that, but there have been posts by people from these Minnesota welfare agencies saying that they reported to the governor time after time after time that these rip-offs were going on.
	And not only were they rebuffed, but the governor's office would intimidate them, would threaten them, would go after them, would threaten to investigate them for investigating the fraud.
	And so what this really tells you is that the Tim Waltz apparatus was in on it.
	They were themselves paving the way for the fraud.
	I'm not saying that they were getting money.
	I'm simply saying that they were getting the political benefits of the fraud.
	They were aware of these political benefits and they had no incentive for the fraud not to, they had every incentive for the fraud to keep going on.
	Now, this in criminal language or in the language of prosecution is called organized crime.
	And by organized crime, what I mean is the I'm referring to RICO, which is the Organized Crime Act that is designed to prosecute these kinds of conspiracies where you have a wide variety of actors,
	not all of them directly and openly conspiring with each other, but nevertheless, the collective force of what they're doing is a giant rip-off operation, stealing from the taxpayer in violation of the law.
	So there's no question here that laws are being broken.
	We're talking about fraud.
	We're not talking about legal collections.
	We're not talking about the government overspending.
	We're talking about crookery and we're talking about crookery that was going on on a big scale.
	Now, it can't happen the way it did if it were not for the collusion and compliance or the going along of the authorities themselves.
	It's not like the authorities are complete fools.
	It's not like they didn't know what was going on.
	It is more like the quotation I just described where people are putting their hands in the cookie jar and the administrators are going, all right, we really know what's going on, but we're not going to do anything about it.
	We're just going to keep refilling the cookie jar.
	And refilling here is taking hard-earned money on the part of working people and putting it into a pot where people who don't work for it, who are not entitled to it, can rip it off.
	That's what has been happening in the state of Minnesota.
	Finally, belatedly, the New York Times is covering it.
	The New York Times did not by any means break the story, but the story is now out.
	In some ways, more people are talking about it.
	And I think what needs to happen here is just a massive DOJ prosecution.
	I saw Tim Waltz today talking about the fact that, you know, he was complaining about Trump's pardons and he goes, well, nobody in Minnesota is going to be pardoned.
	And I think this is exactly right.
	Nobody should be pardoned, least of all him.
	In other words, it seems quite clear that he is part of this RICO scheme.
	He is part of this larger apparatus of enabling this kind of fraud.
	And so if and when Tim Waltz is indicted, as I think he probably should be, given the magnitude of this racket that he has presided over, remember, he's the governor.
	And so he's in charge of overseeing all this.
	If all of this is going on right under him, where does the responsibility end?
	Where does the buck stop, if not with him?
	It obviously should stop with him.
	And so if you've had this kind of large criminal scheme, is he completely insulated from it?
	Does he know absolutely nothing about it?
	Are we going to go right back to the fact that, you know, and some people call him names, he's a buffoon, he's Tampa, Tim, he's this and that.
	But no, this guy is actually a very wily character.
	Most of these Democrats are not quite as stupid as they're portrayed.
	They demonstrate a lot of industry and ingenuity when it comes to crookery.
	They're really good at it.
	They work hard at it, kind of like Obama.
	Obama's dumb in certain ways.
	If you give Obama an equation, he probably can't solve it.
	But on the other hand, if you tell Obama, there's a guy over there, you go figure out how to pick his pocket, you've picked the right man.
	This guy would absolutely know how to do it.
	And in fact, not only would he do it, he would make the guy feel good about it happening.
	The guy would be like, I'm missing my wallet, but you know, guess what?
	I'm atoning for centuries of discrimination.
	So Obama has the ability not only to steal from you, but ultimately make you thank him for ripping you off.
	And this is what the Democrats specialize in.
	This is their game.
	This is their scheme.
	And all I'm saying is that to the degree that they've broken the law, it's time to hold them all accountable for it.
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	Guys, I'm delighted to have a very special guest on the podcast, a friend and in some ways a mentor.
	It's Professor James Tour, who is one of the most prominent chemists and also computer scientists in the world.
	He is a professor of computer science and also of chemistry at Rice University in Texas.
	And he is an inventor.
	He's got 650 research publications.
	He's got 200 patents.
	He was inducted into the National Academy of Inventors in 2015.
	And Professor Tour also travels the campus talking about salvation, talking about apologetics, talking about the Bible.
	And that's what we're going to talk about today.
	You can follow him on X at Dr DR Jamestour, T-O-U-R, and the website justjmtour.com.
	Professor Tour, thanks for joining me.
	I really appreciate it.
	There's been a kind of public debate going on, at least on social media, about the Bible.
	And I want to focus on not the political side of that debate, but rather the theological side.
	Because there is a lot of competing and I would say muddled claims about the relationship of the Old Testament to the new.
	What are the key ingredients for salvation?
	What does Jesus or Messiah represent?
	And I wanted you to walk us through a few of the absolute basics.
	And so I want you to walk us through some of the key elements that people should know about in relationship to the Bible.
	And then we can have a brief conversation once you've completed your short presentation.
	Sure.
	Thank you, Dinesh.
	Good to be with you.
	And thank you for having me.
	And so, you know, there's a lot of chatter, as you say, about Israel, the United States, Jews, and Christians.
	And I take a perspective that, so I actually have a foot in both camps.
	I'm a Jew by birth, by descendancy, but I was quite a secular Jew growing up.
	And at the age of 18, I received Jesus as my Messiah.
	So I received Jesus and believe that he is the Son of God, and he is also the Jewish Messiah.
	And so ultimately, I don't think things are going to be totally resolved until the Messiah returns, who is Jesus, both the king of the Jews and the Son of God.
	And so what I want to do is look at this through the eyes of, through my eyes, and look at this as what's called a Messianic Jew.
	A Messianic Jew is a Jew who believes that Jesus is the Messiah.
	And so I fellowship in a church, but I still have not.
	In fact, the best way to describe this is just like all the apostles.
	They were all Jews.
	Paul even said, you know, I'm a Hebrew of Hebrews.
	And the term Christian was actually used later on, and it was a term that other people called them in the New Testament.
	It was rarely something that they referred to themselves as.
	Finally, Peter said, you know, don't be ashamed of that name when people call you that.
	Because at first, being called a Christian was being, it was a derogatory term that people were calling these people that were seeking Jesus.
	But in any case, let me take you through this and take you through a few scripture verses.
	Now, each person will stand before God individually.
	This is clear both from the Old and New Testament.
	It says, for example, in Romans 14, 12, so then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
	And then in Ezekiel in the Old Testament, 18, verse 20, the person who sins will die.
	The righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself.
	Therefore, no one is judged by group identity, family background, religious label, or national heritage.
	Every soul stands alone before God.
	No one is saved by his own righteousness.
	Ephesians 2, 8, and 9 says, by grace you have been saved, not as a result of works.
	Isaiah 64, verse 6, all of our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment.
	That's what the Old Testament has to say.
	Therefore, if God judged us on our righteousness alone, all would be condemned.
	Hence, we are judged individually, saved by grace, and the grace is received personally.
	Now, Israel is as God's covenant nation, and we see that numerous times in the scripture.
	For example, Deuteronomy 7, verse 6, the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for his own possession.
	Isaiah 66, verse 7 and 8.
	Can a land be born in one day?
	Can a nation be brought forth at once?
	As soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her sons.
	And interestingly, Israel was reborn in a day in 1947, 1948.
	During that time, it was by one vote in the United Nations that it came forth in a day, just like that.
	Amos 9, 14 and 15, chapter 9, verse 14 and 15 says, I will plant them on their land, and they will not again be rooted out from their land.
	And Romans chapter 9, verse 4 and 5 says, Israel, to whom belong the covenants and from whom is the Christ.
	So Jesus came.
	Jesus was a Jew and he came into this.
	And so that's how we see this.
	And then we look at the Gentiles, Gentiles outside the covenant.
	So, if we look at people who are not Jews and they're also not believers in Jesus Christ, Ephesians 2, 11 and 12 says Gentiles were excluded from the Commonwealth of Israel, strangers to the covenants.
	And Acts 14, 16 says, He permitted all the nations to go their own ways.
	So, there is a group of people who are Gentiles, who are not Jews, who are outside the covenant.
	But in Christ, the distinctions disappear.
	There is one body.
	So, the Bible says, for example, there is no Jew or Gentile identity in the church.
	Galatians 3:28 says, There is neither Jew nor Greek.
	You are all one in Christ.
	Colossians 3:11 says, No distinction between Greek and Jews.
	Christ is all.
	1 Corinthians 12:13 says, By one Spirit, we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks.
	And so the church as a distinct entity, 1 Corinthians 10, 32 says, give no offense to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God.
	So look how the New Testament calls this.
	Jews, Greeks meaning the Gentiles, or the church of God.
	You have Jews, you have Gentiles, but once they are in the church, once they receive the Messiah Jesus, once they receive Jesus as the Son of God risen from the dead, boom, they become one together in the body of Christ.
	And this is the mystery that's talked about in the New Testament.
	In Ephesians chapter 3, verses 3 through 6, it talks about this mystery of Christ, something that wasn't revealed in the Old Testament.
	The mystery of Christ, to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
	Therefore, the scriptures present three categories, Jews, Gentiles, and the church of God, consisting as Jews and Gentiles as one, forming a distinct body regardless of their biological background.
	And so what happens is the mystery that's revealed in the New Testament.
	In the Old Testament, it was revealed that God would extend his mercy to the Gentiles.
	What was revealed in the New Testament is that Gentiles and Jews would be worshiping together.
	And that's what I do.
	Every Sunday, I am worshiping mainly with Gentiles in my church.
	We are worshiping together.
	And this whole union of the Jews and the Christians, in my mind, is not really going to be resolved until the Messiah returns.
	But we see hints of this being resolved in the body of Christ, because once we're in the body of Christ, we are treated the same way.
	Jew and Gentile is treated the same way, considered as one unit together.
	And that's kind of my thought on all of this chatter that's going around about the Jews and about the Gentiles, that we can be one in Christ, but all of us have to stand before Christ, before the Messiah, and give an account.
	What would you, to what degree was Jesus a fulfillment of the Hebrew scriptures?
	And to what degree was he a sort of a break with them?
	I say that because it seems to me this is a little bit of the nub of the issue.
	One camp seems to essentially, and you know, we've heard the phrase replacement theology.
	The general idea here is that there's some sort of a replacement or displacement.
	On the other hand, it's quite clear that there's also a stream of continuity between the Old and the New Testament, which is why they can coexist in the same Bible.
	So what are your thoughts about what Jesus made new and also what Jesus preserved from what was old?
	Right.
	So the Old Testament is very clear to me.
	There is no replacement.
	The Jews have their place and they will be there.
	They will be in that land.
	That land is not going away.
	They will be in that land.
	And the scriptures are very clear.
	They are not going to be removed from that land.
	People who say that they are, those people will die and then Jews will continue to be there until the Lord returns.
	After seven years of tribulation, the remnant, the believing Jews among them, will flee to Petra, which is just south of the Dead Sea, what's in Jordan right now, and the Lord will meet them there and bring them back.
	The scriptures are clear on that.
	That is something that is going to happen.
	But they're not leaving that land again.
	Now, as far as Jesus fulfilling it, Jesus fulfilled everything in the Old Testament law.
	He absolutely fulfilled it.
	What he was against was the rabbinical rules that had surrounded them.
	Because after they came back from the Babylonian diaspora, they came back and they thought, wow, we've really blown it.
	We're going to put a bunch of rules around every one of these 613 commandments of Moses to make sure we never violate any of them again.
	Now, what happened is, so for example, on the Sabbath, the Sabbath, there are over 1,000 rabbinical rules.
	And it was this that Jesus disdained.
	He said, you have made the word of God of no effect because of all your rules.
	And Jesus didn't obey those rules.
	He violated those rules all the time, which really infuriated the religious leaders.
	But he absolutely kept the 613 commandments.
	So he fulfilled everything that was in the Mosaic covenant.
	And then he ended up dying on the cross for our sins, rose from the dead, which paves the way for salvation to both Jew and Gentile.
	Anybody who will receive that, that if we confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in our heart that he's risen from the dead, you shall be saved, it says in Romans chapter 10, verse 9.
	No, you made a comment to me at dinner some months ago, and it stuck with me because as Debbie and I have gone now three times to Israel and also read subsequently the New Testament, it struck me how true this is.
	You said that the New Testament is just as Jewish as the old.
	You know, in other words, that the whole milieu is in that sense identical.
	Of course, it's a different historical period.
	We're talking about, you know, basically 30 AD as opposed to, let's say, you know, 1000 BC.
	But nevertheless, the Jewishness of the Old Testament doesn't disappear in the new.
	Rather, it continues.
	And all the characters, for the most part, are Jewish.
	I mean, obviously, not counting Pontius Pilate and an occasional Roman and maybe one of the four gospel writers, Luke, was a Gentile.
	But otherwise, it's a Jewish environment through and through.
	What is the importance of that?
	Yes.
	So I think what I may have said to you is, you know, some people would say to me, how can you being a Jew read the New Testament?
	And I'm like, how can you being a Gentile appreciate the New Testament?
	Because it is so Jewish.
	When you read it through the lens of the Jewish perspective, you understand much better the things that Jesus was teaching, the things that Paul was teaching, the Jewishness of it.
	And so this is exactly what you see.
	And so even the things that are so inexplicable, why would Jesus make mud out of spittle and apply it to a man's eyes or spit in a man's ears in order to bring healing when he on other occasions could just speak the word and the blind would see and the deaf would hear?
	And then you understand this.
	So, for example, when you read in the Jewish writings, it says that you should never apply mud to a person's eyes when you are bringing healing to it.
	You should never use saliva or spit.
	And that's exactly what he did.
	He actually did what he was told not to do with these rabbinical rules.
	And he showed not just his disdain, but his contempt for these things because they were keeping people from appreciating the things of God.
	And so, when you understand what had been written, then these sort of things make enormous sense.
	You understand why he was going up to the temple to do certain things, why Paul was trying to get back for the Pentateuch after the Passover, because you understand these different ceremonies.
	And this is why I've gone through it.
	I did a four-year study, four and a half-year study, on just going through the four gospels, looking at it through the Jewish lens.
	And that's an audio study on my website, jmtour.com.
	And look under audio files, but it looks through the Jewish lens.
	And I'm not the first Jew to do that.
	I just am working with other scholars that have gone before me because I'm not a scholar.
	I'm just a chemist.
	I'm just a lay person and looking at it in this way.
	Let's close out, Professor Tour, with something you alluded to earlier that I'd like you to just explain a little further.
	When you say that on the coming, the second coming of the Messiah, all will be resolved.
	And what do you mean by all?
	What will be resolved?
	Okay, so actually, the second coming of Messiah, he is going to establish a site there on the mountain, on that Jerusalem mountain, and he will reign from that mountain for a thousand years.
	Now, during that period, there will be many people that will go up and to worship him and to learn from him, but there will still be rebellion on this earth.
	There will still be rebellious people, people that do not conform to this, and that'll go on for a thousand years.
	And then the scriptures talk about how the enemy, the devil, will be released at that time to bring about the final judgment upon the rebellious.
	And then will come a new heaven and a new earth, and then all will be resolved.
	So it's not actually just all going to be resolved at his second coming, but at his second coming, it's going to be clear that this Messiah, this same Jesus, is the Son of God that Christians are worshiping and that Jews are also worshiping.
	And there will be masses of people that will then recognize it at that point.
	So much will be resolved.
	It won't all be resolved until that thousand-year reign is over.
	The devil will be released.
	He'll deal with those who were against our Lord, and they will be thrown.
	The devil will be thrown into the lake of fire, and then will come down a new heaven and a new earth.
	And then you'll have the continual reign from there.
	And in that, everything will be resolved.
	That's what I was talking about.
	But what happens is here on this earth, if a man or a woman will bow their knee to the Lord Jesus Christ, or a Jewish person would bow their knee to the Messiah, who's the same Lord, and give their life, give their life, and confess that Jesus is Lord and that he's risen from the dead, so much is resolved.
	So much of this controversy is resolved because we are one in Christ.
	We are one in this fellowship with Christ.
	And then we become one worshiping in the body of Christ.
	That's what I'm saying can be resolved even at this time when we receive the Messiah.
	So much of this Jewish versus Christian thing that you're hearing about, this problem, will go away.
	Guys, I've been talking to Professor James Tour, Rice University.
	I want to direct you to his website, jmtour.com.
	Find lectures, audio teachings, as he mentioned, just a lot of great stuff that will throw a lot of light on this and other questions that we haven't even talked about.
	Thank you very much, Professor Tor, for coming on.
	Thank you, Tidish.
	We're moving to a new chapter of my book, Life After Death: The Evidence.
	And this chapter is called Undeniable Teleology.
	I'll get to in a moment what teleology means or what it is.
	The subtitle gives you a bit of an idea.
	It's called the plot of evolution.
	Itself, kind of an intriguing notion because who knew that evolution has a plot?
	But I'm going to unfurl that plot in this chapter.
	Here's a quotation from the physicist Paul Davies in his book called The Fifth Miracle.
	This opens the chapter: The laws of nature are rigged not only in favor of life, but also in favor of mind.
	Mind is written into the laws of nature in a fundamental way.
	What Professor Davies seems to be saying is that from the very beginning, when the earth was just made of things, made of stuff, made of gases, and made of atoms and molecules, even from then, millions of years ago, billions of years ago, there was a kind of built-in trajectory, a built-in directionality toward mind.
	Matter, in other words, is going to give way to mind.
	This is a rather shocking and I think very audacious notion, and yet I'm going to explain and justify and defend it in the course of this chapter.
	Now, let's begin.
	Having seen that there's nothing in physics to contradict life after death, we now explore the domain of biology.
	And I say, I want to go a little further.
	It's an important part of our investigation to look at nature and see if we can see in nature some sort of a plan.
	The principle of fine-tuning suggests some kind of a plan in physics, the fine-tuned universe.
	But now we're looking for a plan in biology, a plan for life and a plan specifically for human life.
	And we're not just looking for any kind of a plan, we're looking for a particular type of plan that shows a movement or progression, or like I said, directionality from perishable things to imperishable things.
	So, what are these perishable things?
	Well, matter.
	Matter is perishable, at least in its form.
	Things disintegrate, things break down, dust thou art, and to dust thou shall return.
	But mind is of a somewhat different nature, right?
	I mentioned this before, but it's true.
	You can't really give physicality to a mind.
	What is the dimensions of your mind?
	Like, what is a way?
	What is its length?
	What is its width?
	It's hard to say.
	There are no answers to these questions because mind is of a different substance, of a different nature than physical objects.
	Now, the idea of a plan in nature is called teleology.
	So, teleology means a plan or a direction.
	And we're speaking here of natural teleology, a plan that is kind of built into nature.
	So, there are two kinds of plans.
	There are plans that some kind of a planner is constantly doing.
	I'm going to plan this, I'm going to plan that, I'm going to go left, I'm going to go right.
	But there are other types of plans that are built into nature.
	And so, for example, you can speak of evolution moving in a particular track or direction, or you can say it is built into nature that living creatures can, in their own way, reproduce.
	That's a plan.
	It's a plan because it gives way to continuity in nature, but it's a plan built into nature.
	Now, the idea that there is a certain type of directionality built into nature is horrifying to a lot of evolutionary biologists.
	They have got built-in assumptions of atheism into biology, and therefore, flat out they reject the idea of a plan.
	Here's biologist Jacques Manod in his book called Chance and Necessity.
	Chance alone is at the source of every innovation of all creation in the biosphere.
	Here is the paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould in his book called A Wonderful Life.
	He says, If we can rewind the tape of life to its origin and let the tape play again from this identical starting point, he goes, The replay will populate the earth with a radically different set of creatures.
	Humans are here by the luck of the draw.
	So, this can be summarized very simply: no plan, no teleology.
	Things occur kind of by chance, they occur randomly.
	And by the way, this is really why a lot of Christians reject evolution.
	They accept that this is what evolution is, and they go, If that's the case, then it can't be true because aren't we told that we humans are here by virtue of God's plan?
	And so, if you do believe in evolution as a Christian, you're going to have to reject this view of evolution without a plan.
	You're going to have to embrace my view, which is going to be that there is a plan, and there is a plan that is evident by looking at nature itself.
	We don't even have to look at this point for a planner, we don't even have to look to God and say, Well, what's your plan?
	Let me read the Bible.
	No, I'm going to find the plan in evolution itself.
	Now, interestingly, Darwin, who did not believe in God, by the way, did believe in a plan.
	This is a little strange, but true.
	Darwin thought that evolution has a plan, a built-in pattern or structure, and that structure he described as survival of the fittest.
	Wasn't actually Darwin's term, it came a little after Darwin, but the idea is in Darwin.
	Here's Darwin writing in The Descent of Man.
	He says basically that through the harsh struggle of nature, what he calls, quote, lower animals will be weeded out, and quote, higher animals will survive.
	So, this is a plan.
	It's a plan because if you're seeing some kind of a predictable natural motion or directionality from the lower to the higher, well, what's that if not a plan built into nature?
	This is an upward progression.
	Now, later, people would give names to it like social Darwinism, where they would try to apply the plan of nature to human beings.
	Darwin didn't entirely go there, he sort of went there, but he didn't go there all the way.
	And so, the point I'm trying to make is we may or may not approve of Darwin's teleology, but it is teleology.
	We can kind of recognize it as such.
	Now, how do you find a plan in nature?
	There are really two ways.
	The first way, look for a planner.
	And in some cases, it's very obvious that there is a planner.
	And so, for example, if I'm reading a book, including my own book, I'm looking at it here in front of me, and I go, Hey, this book didn't assemble itself.
	This book didn't write itself.
	Somebody wrote it.
	Somebody named it says on the front page Dinesh D'Souza.
	So, Dinesh D'Souza is in fact the planner, the architect of this book.
	The book cannot be understood other than as a result of a planner.
	And so from the blueprints of the architect, we can discern that there clearly is an architect.
	But that's, by the way, not the only way to figure out a plan.
	Sometimes you can figure out a plan without assuming a planner, just by looking at the plot itself.
	And when you look at the plot itself, it becomes obvious that there is built into the plot a plan or a scheme.
	And this is what we're going to do with evolution.
	I'm going to read this paragraph because it sets up the whole chapter.
	First, I will show that evolution itself depends on pre-existing natural conditions on the Earth.
	What does this mean?
	Well, it means that without those natural conditions, you wouldn't have evolution.
	Evolution doesn't account for the conditions.
	The conditions have to already be there.
	In the absence of those conditions, no evolution.
	Second, the evolutionary process itself requires self-replicating cells.
	Again, evolution doesn't create those cells.
	Those cells don't evolve.
	The structure of the cell is not the product of evolution.
	But without these cells, self-replicating, remember the cell has to already be there.
	It has to be the way that it is.
	It has to replicate the way that it does.
	Without that, multiple life forms on Earth would not exist as they obviously do.
	And finally, and this is maybe the most surprising, an obvious and undeniable pattern in evolution which belies and undermines and really destroys the whole random chance argument.
	In other words, what we're going to show is that evolution is not random at all.
	It moves in a very recognizable direction.
	And if we could live, by the way, for a long period of time and watch evolution into the future, we could predict what that direction would be.
	So the point being here that if you have a development, in this case, evolution, that depends on pre-existing conditions, that depends upon cells, that depends upon the cells being self-replicating, and not only that, but we can even tell in advance what the direction of evolution is, what it's moving from and what it's moving to, then there you go.
	That's a plan.
	We don't even at this point have to posit a planner.
	Of course, I believe in a planner.
	Of course, I believe in divine supervision of the whole process.
	But what I'm saying is we can find the plan in nature itself.
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