All Episodes
Previous Next
Sept. 25, 2025 - Dinesh D'Souza
53:39
SON OF HAMAS PART TWO Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1176
| Copy link to current segment

Time Text
Coming up, I just released yesterday a clip from the dragon's prophecy.
This is my uh a snippet of my conversation with um the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
He's responding to a question posed by Tucker Carlson that's gone viral on social media, and uh in fact, even stirred up Tucker Carlson a little bit.
I'll talk about all that.
And also today, part two of my in-depth conversation with the son of Hamas.
This is Mossab Hassan Youssef.
You're not gonna want to miss it.
If you're watching on YouTube or XORumble, listening on Apple or Spotify, please subscribe to my channel, hit the subscribe, the follow the notifications button.
I'd really appreciate it.
This is the Dinesh D'Souza Podcast.
Music by Ben Thede.
America needs this voice.
The times are crazy in a time of confusion, division, and lies.
We need a brave voice of reason, understanding, and truth.
This is the Dinesh de Susa podcast.
Guys, today is going to be part two of my in-depth conversation with Mossab Hassan Yousef, the son of Hamas.
I hope you had a chance to watch or listen to part one yesterday.
I thought it was pretty riveting.
In fact, you know, when we had this conversation, this is a little bit of a funny story involving Mossab.
He um it was hard to get the interview with him.
He's not easy to find.
In fact, when I talked to the studio guys in Jerusalem and I said, you know, he's going to show up at the studio.
And I said, we're going to record this interview.
And of course, I'm happy to pay you guys for the studio time to do it.
They're like, Well, can can we interview him?
They're like, if we can interview him, you know, it's free, Dinesh.
Well, we're not gonna charge you for it.
Uh, but Mossab wouldn't do it.
He's like, no, no, I want to do a one-on-one with you, that's all I'm doing.
So he's kind of a particular guy in that sense.
But um, he happened to be in Israel.
I know normally he is uh he is um a fugitive because his his life is under fatwa, and we know that the kind of people, I mean, think of it, his dad is one of the I think four guys or five guys who founded Hamas.
So this is a big embarrassment to them that the eldest son of one of the founders has in a sense fled from the fold, rejected the fold, uh rejected Hamas as actually spoken out and um has become public in his condemnation of what Hamas represents, and what he calls this for was for me a kind of a new phrase, Palestinianism.
Mossab's claim is that the Palestinians are sort of fake.
There really is no such thing.
You have Arabs who inhabit the region, you have Arabs who came there either with the Muslim conquests or they moved there later.
Uh, they were farmers or herders and they moved into the region.
There are Arabs living in Israel.
That's all they are.
Uh, there is there's never been a state called Palestine.
In fact, Palestine was a name that the Romans inflicted on the Jews to punish them.
There was some Jewish revolts.
Uh, And the Romans were like, listen, we'll teach you a lesson.
We'll rename your whole country, your whole region, your whole nation.
We'll take the name of your ancient enemies, the Philistines, and we're going to call this Palestine, which by the way, it's the same word as Philistines.
So that's really how the land, the region, even got the name Palestine.
And for many centuries it was called Palestine, the Roman name, but the Roman name was truly a kind of, you could almost call it a sort of punishment by naming.
And so Masab's point is that there are no Palestinians, but there is an ideology by the name of Palestinianism.
And that ideology is very pernicious.
And he goes on to spell out what it is.
So part two coming up today, and I think it goes even more in depth.
And it is the kind of thing that's going to leave you just very well informed, enlightened.
It's stuff you just haven't, you just haven't heard, heard before.
Now, this conversation with Masab is part of a larger debate, a debate that I'm trying to kick off with the film The Dragon's Prophecy.
And this film hits theaters October 6th and October 8th.
Kind of easy to remember.
By the way, some of you may wonder, like, why didn't you put the film in the theater October 7th?
The answer is October 7th, as it turns out falls on a Tuesday.
It is customary for the big theater chains to do a kind of movie special, half-price tickets.
So they don't allow us to do theater buyouts.
And we have done buyouts of, I forget 350, 400 theaters, something like that, all around the country.
By the way, very easy to find.
When you go on the website, you put in your zip code, and boom, the theaters near you pop up.
You buy the tickets on the website.
You cannot buy the tickets at the theater because we're doing buy-outs.
It's kind of a private transaction.
You buy the tickets on the website, you just print them out, and then you march in and you're all set.
You just present your ticket and you go.
And you could go in a group, you can take your reading group, your church group, your Bible study group, and your family or extended family.
Just go and go in a bunch if you can, see it together.
It's going to be really quite an experience.
I make these films, I've said with other films as well, for the theater.
And they've got a kind of cinematic, spectacular quality that is best seen in the theater itself.
So let's make this theatrical a big success.
It's two days and two days only, October 6th, October 8th.
So the two days that are kind of on both sides of October 7th.
And then the very next day it's available in streaming.
It'll be on multiple platforms.
I can tell you right now, it's going to be on Salem Now, it's going to be on Rumble.
You'll just be able to purchase it and watch.
By the way, if you are an annual member of my locals channel, if you're an annual subscriber, it'll be included in locals and you'll be able to watch it for free.
It's included with your subscription.
So that's the streaming begins on October 9th.
And you can order your DVDs and streaming now.
So if you prefer not to go to the theater, you want to see it at home, you want a DVD or DVDs to share, get them now.
Go to the Dragons Laurel, the Dragons Prophecy Film.com.
That's the website.
And it's all there.
You can watch the trailer.
There's a short summary of the film, bios of me and Jonathan Kahn, all kinds of other information up there, and it'll guide you as to what you want to do, whether you want to get theater tickets or whether you want to do streaming or DVDs, it's all right there.
Now, um, I released yesterday a clip uh from the film.
This is a clip of my conversation with uh Benjamin Naranyahu, and it was the part of the interview where I asked him to answer a question posed by Tucker Carlson, uh, where Tucker said to Ted Cruz, uh, prove to me, or is it really the case?
Tucker was being a little sardonic, even sarcastic.
Are you saying that the Jews of today, like Netanyahu's Jews, are the descendants of the ancient Israelites?
When God promised the land to Abraham in the Bible, was he giving it to Abraham and his descendants, or was he giving it to these guys?
What's the claim that the Jews of Israel today have on that land?
And now this is a very interesting question.
Netanyahu, of course, gives a very forceful answer.
And he answers, yes, we are descended from those ancient Israelites.
And he goes on to talk about his own grandfather, and how, by the way, that his grandfather came to the land much earlier, or to put it differently, a much longer time ago than a lot of the Palestinians who moved into that region much more recently from places like Syria and Jordan, and in some cases they're just Arabs from the Arabian Desert.
Let's remember that the Philistines, even though their name is the same as Palestinian, when the Philistines were in Gaza in biblical times, this is not the Arabs.
The Philistines are not Arabs.
The Philistines historically are Europeans.
They were called the Sea Peoples, the sea referring to the Mediterranean Sea, because they had come from the Aegean.
They had come from places like Cyprus.
They moved into the region, they occupied it, they held it for a long time.
And so even though the Palestinians have that same name, Philistine, the Palestinians are Semites.
They are Arabs.
They are not the Philistines.
So if you're asking, you know, the Jews had that land going back to ancient times.
Well, what about the Palestinians?
Don't they have that land going back to their ancestors, the Philippines?
The Philistines, and the answer is no, the Philistines are not their ancestors.
That is that is important to know.
So my Netanyahu clip has been picked up a lot.
It's been mediaite wrote a story about it.
It uh it's gotten two million views on X, it's on all the other social media platforms.
Uh, it's caused a bit of a stir uh in a positive way in in Israel.
Uh I have actually got like six texts from Tucker Carlson about it yesterday, uh, which I would love to go into, but I'm not going to because I feel like uh text is a private communication, and unless I get Tucker's consent or permission to uh to quote or to discuss the content of all that, I'm just gonna hold back.
But I will note that the that the film is moving in a big way into this debate, uh, and it is becoming the most prominent voice of defending Athens and Jerusalem, defending our connection,
the connection of America, but also Western civilization with Israel, um, and showing that, in a way, America is a root of the West, and the West is itself uh built on two branches uh or two pillars, uh, one of them being Athens and classical reason, the other, of course, being Jerusalem.
So that's really not possible to defend the West while kicking out one of those two.
It's like a two-legged stool.
Uh the stool can't stand on one leg.
It can in fact stand on two.
It needs both.
The philosopher Leo Strauss really said that the vitality, the dynamism, the strength of the West, the reason the West has become the dominant civilization in the past 500 years, is quite simply that it had an incredibly creative interaction between Athens and Jerusalem,
between reason and revelation, between the principles of, let's say, Socrates and Plato and the Greek tragedians, and also Pericles and the foundation of Western democracy on the one hand, but then on the other hand, the Hebrew prophets,
uh, the Ten Commandments, the idea of a moral law that is external to us that makes demands on us, uh, the the arrival of the Messiah, Jesus, and the revolutionary transformation that his teachings brought about in the world.
That's Jerusalem.
Uh, And so that is not a branch that we can cut off.
I know there are people who say that somehow the new testament cancels out the old, that somehow the God's promises to the Jews were conditional.
It's like I give you this land, but I'm only giving it to you if you behave yourself and if you don't behave yourself, my promises are abrogated.
This to me is gobbledygook, not just on a theological level, it doesn't make any sense.
You cannot give a piece of land conditionally.
If I bequeath, for example, my house and property, let's just say to Danielle and Brandon, I'm giving it to them.
I'm obviously giving it to them in perpetuity.
If I say to them, I'm giving it to you as long as you engage in good behavior.
And if Brandon, if you take a political position I disagree with, I'm taking it back.
Well, then I never really gave it.
So there is no doubt that God gave the land, at least if you believe the Bible, God gave the land to Abraham and his descendants, he gave it in perpetuity.
Yes, we are under a new spiritual covenant.
Yes, Christ died for all our sins, including the sins of the people who lived before him.
And so we are under a new covenant, but that does not mean that the new testament cancels out the old.
You know, in Islam, there is a doctrine of abrogation in which, like the later teachings, cancel out the earlier ones, but not in Christianity.
There's no doctrine of abrogation.
The Old Testament is not abrogated, uh, it is incorporated, it's included.
And so with that preamble, uh, well, number one, uh, go get your tickets to the dragon's prophecy, the dragonsprophecyfilm.com, and then sit back and enjoy a part two of my conversation with Mossab Hassan Youssef.
You know, guys, the stock market sitting at all-time highs can have you exposed to three major risks being over-allocated in stocks, inflation weakening your dollar, and taxes.
The single biggest retirement expense for many people.
If you're heavily in tech, names like NVIDIA and Apple, you could be hit hard by the next market correction.
That's why I've partnered with my friends at Lasseter Capital.
They help everyday investors access a valuable tool that can build wealth, real estate.
These are hard assets that deliver what Lassiter calls the four keys to investment success: cash flow, equity, appreciation, and powerful tax advantages.
Lassiter Capital is finding opportunities right now that can help protect your wealth and grow it for the future.
Go today to LassiterCapital.com.
That's L-A-S-A-T-E-R, capital, C-A-P-I-T-A-L dot com slash dinesh, or you can call 817 912 1569.
The number again, 817-912-1569 to schedule your free, no obligation consultation.
Again, it's Lasseter L-A-S-A-T-E-R, Lasseter Capital.com slash Dinesh.
For too long, Christian entertainment has been a little trivial, a little bit second rate, but Angel Studios is proving that's no longer the case.
They've launched two new original series that excel in storytelling and production.
The first is a week away.
It's a musical about a teen dragged to a Christian summer camp.
At first he rejects it, but through music, community, and faith, his heart begins to change.
It's entertaining while delivering a clear message of redemption with music that will move you.
Then there's Testament, the series.
This one's extraordinary.
It reimagines the book of Acts in a modern setting, showing believers risk everything to follow Christ.
It raises a profound question: how far would we go to stand boldly for the truth today?
Here's the key boat shows were chosen by the Angel Guild, ordinary families who want better stories on their screens.
As a premium member, you'll enjoy ad-free access, two free tickets to theatrical releases, and a real voice in what gets made next.
Go to angel.com/slash danesh and join the angel guild today.
Again, it's angel.com slash dinesh.
Some people listening might, in comfortable circumstances, might say, well, this is very alarmist, the idea of the disintegration of the West of America.
Um this is far-fetched.
this is too extreme.
But but let me suggest why it's not extreme and see if you agree with this.
The who would ever dream that you could launch 9-11 or October 7th, an attack, and not only launch the attack, a bar a barbarous attack, but you yourself live stream and publicize the attack, almost as if to declare to the world, look what animals we are behaving like.
And yet, starting on October 8th, you begin a propaganda campaign in which the victim of the attack, Israel, becomes the aggressor, and not only that, but the fear that you want people to be alerted to, and the thing you want them to be on guard against is Islamophobia.
I guess what I'm saying is, how do the attackers win the propaganda war in which they have done something manifestly?
It's almost like if somebody were to do a home invasion, come to your house, rape your wife, kill your kids, and then they leave and they say, that was a really bad guy.
He's to blame for what happened.
I'm the good guy.
That's the bad guy.
How do you pull that off?
And what does it say about a civilization, Western civilization that is willing to entertain such absurdity?
Look, Hamas knew an expected the Israel uh Israeli retaliation.
They expected a ground uh operation, they took hostages and they used their uh children, uh women as uh human shields.
They weaponized civilians, expecting that Israel the civilian casualty is going to be very high in one of the most populated areas on earth.
It's not a new strategy.
Hamas did it already four times in the past, and every time they realized that Israel got delegitimized and the global pressure uh orchestrated by the Arab oil money, okay, pushing through the United Nations and through compromised uh Western leaders.
It worked for Hamas.
This time, Hamas doubled, doubled down.
In fact, they tripled down, thinking that the um uh collateral damage is going to be much higher than the previous wars, and this time Hamas would get legitimacy as a main player out of this war.
They were expecting that they would make it out of the war.
This is why they took the hostages, and this is why they used it.
It was beyond their expectations that Israel would go this far in war.
They expected from Israel to surrender on October 8 to meet with their demands, release mass murderers, and accept terrorist group as a governing authority, and expect it from the world to reward them with a statehood in order to calm the beast.
But this did not work for Hamas this time, and the Israeli resilience against so many odds, uh, brought them now to Korna.
This is the game of Hamas that the world does not want to understand.
Now, weaponizing civilians, there is no more dangerous weapon than this.
When a society uh sacrifice their own children for political and financial gain.
This is the most powerful weapon.
You can you there is there was no way in the world, there is no amount of explanation that any democracy can do to counter such uh lethal force, sacrificing children, putting children in harm's way,
so the children get hurt, and the world would blame uh Israel as the perpetrator for getting about how things originated, and even those who remember October 7 today, they keep uh they have been repeating the Palestinian narrative that say no,
Israel is an occupier, and October 7 was a legitimate resistance act, which brings us back to the very foundations of the Palestinian narrative, that Palestine never existed,
it is not occupied, and Palestinians are not indigenous of the land, and they are not fighting for land anyway, because they have been given a land, but they refuse Israel's right to exist.
And October 7 is not an outcome of occupation, it's an outcome of the exploitation of infinite forces that have been working for 77 years to sabotage the Jewish state because it's a very sensitive conflict, especially with the Jewish influence as a successful uh minority worldwide.
So this type of entities, they understand what it means to intervene and manipulate uh the Middle Eastern uh conflict, especially the Israeli uh Arab conflict.
So there is no amount of explanation, there is no amount of uh uh books or material that can uh convince the average person that was happening in Gaza is an evil practice inspired by a barbaric culture coming from the seventh century that is willing to kidnap infants and is willing to sacrifice as many children as it takes
for eternity until the point of annihilation for the sake of revenge.
Let's go into this issue of what you mean when you say that Palestinianism or the Palestinian is a bit of a bogus or artificial identity.
Of course, the name Palestine comes in part from the Romans who took the ancient name of the Philistines, the enemies of the Israelites, and the Romans inflict this name on this region as a way of punishing the Jews for the Jewish revolts under the Roman Empire.
So the name comes from not Arabs, it comes from the Philistines who are a European people with their roots in the Aegean, they were known as the Sea Peoples.
That's where the name comes from.
I think what you're saying is that name was a kind of a punishment by an empire.
It has been taken up in the modern era, but there never was a Palestinian nation.
There never were a people who were defined as Palestinian.
What you have is Arabs from the region who are living in in this land, but that doesn't automatically entitle them to their own state.
There are lots of people who live in other countries, and they can't automatically demand a state.
But in this case, you have this group of people that is affirming a kind of national identity.
We are Palestinians.
Is that what you mean when you say that Palestinianism is a kind of a fiction?
It's a made-up identity, and it's so elusive that could mean anything, because anybody can just put on a kifia and become a Palestinian.
You know, Yasser Arafat, the creator of, or let's say the father of the Palestinian Revolution was an Egyptian man.
His birth certificate said on it Egyptian.
Hamas leaders from Sinwar to Hanya, their birth certificate said on it Egyptians.
When I was born, my birth certificate said on it Jordanian.
The West Bank belonged to Jordan.
It did not belong to something used to be known as Palestine.
Palestine was never a sovereign state.
And Palestinians are not nation.
It's a political movement.
And even when Yasser Arafat was asked once after he declared independence in 1988, he was asked, what is Palestine?
What is like what is the border?
What are the borders?
He said Palestine is wherever there are Palestinians.
So he did not even define the borders.
And today we have a new generation of Palestinians worldwide who identify with the victim narrative.
Mostly self-inflicted trauma, self-inflicted catastrophe that is inspired by violence.
And it's in their interest to keep the cycle of violence moving.
They don't want to break it because there's so many people and forces who have been exploiting this tragedy.
And every time, if it was only between the Arabs and the Jews, the problem would have been solved long time ago, 77 years ago.
Let's divide the land.
This part for the Arabs, and by the way, as I told you earlier, it was the better part, the more frotile soil.
but the arabs refused that the problem was between israel and arab countries there was no palestine at all But then the Palestinian identity was born when the Palo was founded in 1964.
And shortly after, Yasser Arafat used the kifiyyah, which is an Iraqi symbol coming from Kufa.
And it became the symbol of Palestinians.
He took a Jordanian flag and removed the star from it, and it became Palestinian flag.
It never existed before.
And posed only as a hostile movement to replace Israel, not to build a nation that can thrive and prosper in peace, in peaceful relationship to Israel.
So I can go on and on forever about this falsehood.
And now it's their struggle.
And again, as I said, it's nothing but self-inflict inflicted trauma, self-inflicted catastrophe that they keep just repeating again and again, and Gaza is only the last chapter in their uh comic book.
So when you have a people who don't have regard to their children, and their entire focus is the cause and the continuation of this angry cause.
I don't have respect for this people.
I don't care what type of identity, even if they were a legitimate ethnic group, I still have a problem with them.
You know, in Israel, the entire nation protect the children, it's a priority.
Why Israel was broken on October 7?
Because the Jewish people saw Jewish children being kidnapped, infants, and babies being burnt to death, women raped.
This is why the country was, there is no way as a nation to coexist with this people.
Israel in good faith allowed Yasser Arafat and the other Palestinians to come from outside in good faith, hoping that this would solve the conflict.
But when they returned in Oslo, some 33 years ago, instead of peace, they turned it into a bloodbath.
So Palestinians, they are invaders, they are not, we are not Palestinians.
When I was born, there was nothing written on my forehead says Palestinian.
My ethnicity is Arabic.
My language is Arabic.
Our culture is Arabic.
If we qualify to anything, we qualify as Arabs.
But Palestinians, this is something coming from Russia, from China, from the Islamic Republic, from jihadis, from communists.
And now by cloud seekers in the United States.
Anyone can be a Palestinian.
And so many people today, worldwide identifying as Palestinians.
And I don't know what really can satisfy their ambitions, especially when they are in their nature conflicted.
If they did not have a common enemy, Israel, they would kill each other.
Communists and jihadists, totally opposing each other.
They can never meet.
But when they found in Israel as a common enemy, they work together.
Take this common enemy, they would destroy each other.
So what is Palestinian?
This is one of the biggest questions of our time.
You know, and the self-proclaimed Palestinians, apparently, those are the ones who sit in comfort Those are the ones who sit abroad, expecting from children, not only Gaza children, but also Jewish children to pay the bills of their greed.
MyPillow is excited to announce they're having their biggest three-in-one sale ever.
So get ready with a limited edition product, a back-in-stock special, and a close-out deal you won't find anywhere else.
So MyPillow bedsheets.
Only 2988.
Any color, any style, any size, even kings, regular price, 1198, now just 2988, and hey, once they're gone, they are gone for good.
My towels are finally back in stock, but not for long, get a six-piece my towel set, regular price, 6998 now, 3998.
And for the first and only time, get their limited edition premium my pillows made with Giza cotton and a designer gusset, queen size, 1798 Kings, just 1998.
Also for a limited time, when you order over 100, you get free shipping plus 100 and free digital gifts.
Wow.
Go to my pillow.com or you can call 800 876 0227.
That's 800 876-0227.
Use promo code Dinesh, you get the best offers ever.
Quantities are limited, so order now.
Once again, go to my pillow.com and don't forget to use the promo code D-I-N-E-S-H-Desh.
Is the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians?
The revival of an ancient conflict recorded in the Bible.
The nation of Israel is a resurrected nation.
What if there was going to be a resurrection of another people, an enemy people of Israel?
Dinesh de Suza went into a war zone to make his new film.
It offers a new way to understand October 7th.
Israel, radical Islam, anti-Semitism, and biblical prophecy.
Could the fate of the world of humanity itself be tied to this place?
We came back to a land that was largely barren and empty, and we brought it back to life, and we're going to keep it.
The dragon's prophecy isn't just about the Middle East.
It's about you.
Because without that Jewish foundation, there is no Christianity.
Based on Jonathan Khan's international bestseller in theaters October 6th and 8th.
Streaming and DVDs available October 9th.
Get the film at the Dragons Prophecyfilm.com.
This film contains graphic violence of October 7th.
My wife who's here, we were having a conversation about the moral line between the two sides, and she raised an interesting question.
She said, why doesn't Israel take hostages?
She asked me.
Kind of a startling question, right?
Because I was tempted to say, and I started to say, well, that's because Israel doesn't do that kind of thing.
But she gave a different answer.
She said, Israel doesn't take hostages because it would do no good.
Because for a society that, as you just said, is indifferent to the lives and the fate of their own children, take hostages.
Who cares?
So in other words, you're dealing with two, it seems, utterly different societies in the compass of human values.
my question is this if Hamas were to, let's just say we could somehow just subtract Hamas from Gaza, remove all the Hamas influence from Gaza, isn't it true that Gaza would still be a highly toxic and dysfunctional society even without Hamas?
As I told you earlier, Gaza is a breeding uh ground.
Even if Hamas is removed, tomorrow there will be another radical group.
Maybe today they are Islamists or jihadists, tomorrow we will be dealing with communists who could be a lot more dangerous than jihadists and a lot more uh sophisticated in their warfare, and we can never end.
What's happening in Gaza right now, I think is really important.
An entire society has been hijacked by terrorists, regardless of their ideology.
They all agree that the society must fight to death.
Their goal is to destroy Israel, not to build a Palestinian state.
So, what can we do?
Just allow such uh radicals, such terrorists to continue this game, and how much bloodshed would satisfy their ambition.
And let's say, even if they succeeded in destroying Israel eventually, God forbids.
Will they stop there?
Look what Palestinians did in Jordan.
Look what Palestinians did in Lebanon, wherever they go, and again, Palestinians not as an ethnic group, Palestinian ideologists, who basically and must in most cases are an anti-establishment.
Palestine does not stand for order, it stands for chaos, and the Palestinians love chaos because this is the only place for them to thrive.
I have studied the Palestinian Revolution and I have witnessed the Palestinian revolution.
It's a revolution for the sake of revolution, it's not a revolution for us for the sake of a statehood.
Statehood, this is just a fancy idea.
Resistance is a fancy idea, does not even belong to the region.
There is no such thing in Arabic as resistance.
It's an imported term from the uh Soviet.
So where can they stop?
And if I give them Israel, if I give them the land of Israel, the land of Syria, the land of uh America, do you think this type of mentality would actually run governments?
They are incapable of forming a nation.
They don't have any quality, they haven't qualified.
I'm telling you about a savage society that is actually praised suicide bombers as mortars, and uh justify and legitimize the sacrifice of children, putting children in harm's way, the very foundation, the very basic of any society.
How can I trust this people of being my neighbors?
How can I trust these people with anything?
And those Western leaders who want to just hand them a state, they think they are going to calm the beast.
They are feeding the beast, they are rewarding terrorism, and they will ignite more chaos.
You know, Lebanon was a very beautiful Christian country at some point.
Before the Palestinians were pushed By the Jordanian king out of Jordan for the crimes that they committed in Jordan.
The king invited them as guests.
And within no time, Yasser Arafat and the Palestinians tried to overthrow the king.
And the king did not want to kill them.
So he expelled them.
Where did they escape?
They went to Lebanon.
Lebanon was the river of the Middle East, a Christian country full of life, full of culture.
Within no time, they turned Lebanon, especially Beirut, into rubble.
15 years of civil war.
This is what the Palestinians did in Lebanon.
And today some Westerners are very excited about this new cause that they're just importing.
It has the capacity of turning Europe, the United States into rubble.
Not necessarily the same style they are doing here in the Middle East.
It's just the victim narrative.
It should not spread.
The hateful indoctrination, the entitlement for revenge, the entitlement for compensation, especially when it's driven by jihad.
Now it becomes by the name of Allah, not only by the name of nationalism.
So who are they?
And do they have a leadership?
And what do they want in their revolution?
All we witnessed throughout the revolution, that the revolutionary leaders become very rich, billionaires, and the poor children dwell in despair.
And they keep people in ignorance as a breeding ground for their terrorism, because otherwise they are not going to find the human fuel or the human sacrifice necessary for the continuation of their endless cause.
This is why I question their identity.
And I know them firsthand.
I wish they had a legitimate leadership.
I wish they had a goal.
I wish they had at least a middle ground where we can where Israel can meet with them and we can end it just through negotiations.
But this is an entire society that is committing suicide, and this has to stop.
I think everything affiliated with Palestine and Palestinianism must be studied and discussed freely, away from the tragedy of Gaza.
The fact that I question Palestine and Palestinianism does not mean that I am cancelling the tragedy and the self-inflicted catastrophe.
and the amount of bloodshed that happened in Gaza.
This is something we need to put it on the side and think rationally.
How is this problem originating?
As long as we are believing the lie and the lie is spreading like wildfire, they are going to turn the rest of the world into Gaza rubble.
It became apparent in World War II that the Japanese would never surrender unless their whole society was somehow remade.
And the same, by the way, with Germany, that the German people's support for Hitler going even into 1944 and 1945, that without pulverizing the enemy, and not only that, what came right after that was called denazification.
In other words, remaking the institutions of German society, new education systems, new political structures, that you could not fix the system from within, it had to be remade from the outside.
And that in fact is what happened and has been quite successful.
Japan is a completely different country.
It's been a peaceful country now for 75 years.
And it's worked.
My question is, we don't think today about that kind of a model, right?
Because essentially, by and large, if a war starts today, within 10 minutes, people talk about let's have a ceasefire.
So this is kind of my concluding question to you is this.
To fix this, it looks to me.
If your diagnosis is correct, the propaganda is already built into the society, the children are indoctrinated, the parents are indoctrinated.
It looks to me that something quite dramatic is needed to rebuild that society from the ground up.
Do you agree?
And what is that something that you would if you were running it?
What how would you fix it?
First of all, I don't have the capacity to really run such a society.
And my suggestion for any force that is involved in this conflict that Gaza, this giant refugee camp, was maintained by the United Nation, by all those who have been exploiting the conflict to keep the tragedy going, should have been dismantled 77 years ago.
But they kept a first, a second, a third, and a fifth generation of migrants of refugees to keep the refugee status, not only in Gaza, also in the West Bank, also in Syria, in Jordan, in Lebanon.
These people deserve better, they deserve life.
The neighboring countries can take them.
This is where they belong.
Their identity is Arab.
They can fit right in.
Today I don't think Israel can afford keeping this breeding ground close to its borders.
I don't think it's fair.
Not after October 7.
Most people did not see what happened on October 7.
I saw it firsthand, and also I'm aware of the culture.
And I am with separation, because it has been almost a century.
And a century can teach you something.
If they are if they have been refusing coexistence and they want to continue this fight for a hundred years, do you think another hundred years they would come to realize that we we have no other choice but to coexist with our neighbors and accept them for their religious and ethnic identity?
Or they are going to continue adapt to Islamic ideology that demonizes the Jews, dehumanize them by the name of Palestine, but at the essence it's an Islamic war that has been going on for 14 centuries.
Hamas called their attack after Al-Aqsa mosque.
Okay, they said Al-Aqsa flood, even though they control the mosque, and that mosque is built on the top of the Jewish temple, and the state of Israel allowed them to worship freely, and does not allow the Jewish citizens to actually enter the mosque, not to offend the Muslims.
When Israel captured Jerusalem after the 1967 war, the Jewish generals handed the keys to the Muslims in a peaceful gesture to tell them it's yours, we are not here to conquer your religion.
But do you think this made the Muslims retreat or understand the peaceful message?
No.
They have been blaming, and they say that Al-Aqsa Mosque is under occupation, even though the Jews are not allowed to go in.
This is the reality.
It's a religious war, but from one side only, not from the Jewish side.
It's from the Islamic side.
And in Islam, there is there has been no such thing as Palestine.
They don't have even a name that describes this land.
They call it Bayt al-Makdis, which means like the holy site.
That's the name That the Quran gave it.
They don't have a real definition or a name, Islamic name of the land.
Yet it's a property theft, it's identity theft.
Palestine is nothing but a replacement of Israel.
And Islam is nothing but a replacement to Judaism.
If you take all the things that the Muslims and Islam stole from other cultures from other religions, Islam would be left with nothing.
There is nothing original to it.
It would be uh it would go back to an idol buried in the sand of the Arabian desert.
This is what Islam.
It's all borrowed, stolen from Christianity, stolen from Judaism, stolen from other uh uh religions, and the same thing they're doing in India, staling property, staling identity.
So the world is not understanding this religious uh dimension of it, and of course, Palestine is a fancy uh idea.
You know, Hamas does not believe in nationalism at all.
The Muslim brotherhood don't believe uh don't believe in nationalism, so they know it's a fiction, they know it's a fiction, they don't praise it, but they know that it's a very powerful tool.
You know, my father, who's one of the founders of Hamas, used to say we don't believe in Palestine, we don't believe in political borders.
He believes in Islamic khilafa that sits on the globe on earth with one leadership.
That's not the Israeli ambition.
Israel was very satisfied with a small piece of their historic land, and they were willing to coexist with the Arabs, but is it only the Arabs or is it Islam?
Is it communism?
Is it now the new generation that is now been indoctrinated and radicalized to just hate the Jews and they don't know why they hate the Jews?
They think they are hating the Jews because the Jews killed the uh the children of Gaza, ignoring and denying the responsibility of a society that is reckless when they put children in harm's way.
So I don't know how much it's going to take to convince such generation, and if they don't want to listen, this this is their problem.
You know, Israel is a fortress, and nobody can penetrate this.
It's a very strong nation with the strongest intelligence, with a strongest army, with a strongest economy, totally independent if the world chooses to sanction Israel.
But can we say the same about Europe?
Can we say the same about the United States?
And today, so many uh countries uh have been betraying Israel, stabbing Israel in the back.
What is going to be the outcome and what is the alternative to sanction the most successful minority with a greatest contribution to life to civilization to replace it with what?
With those who just want to buy everything, they think everything can be bought by the by the oil and the gas money.
If this is what they want to do, I say just good luck.
But for me, this is my birthplace.
It's not a shameful thing, it's not treason, and I am loved here and I love the people here.
And if I have no choice but to stay in this land, then I stay in this land for eternity.
I don't need to go anywhere else.
I think what you're saying is Israel, far from being the problem, is actually the solution.
Um Hassan Youssef, thank you very much for joining me.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you for having me.
▲
Export Selection