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Coming up, uh Debbie and I are gonna do our Friday roundup.
We're going to do a little bit of an in-depth preview of the upcoming film, the dragon's uh prophecy.
The trailer is out, and you can go on the website and uh sign up for DVDs, you can sign up for streaming, the film will also be on theater.
So, details to come.
Uh, we're also gonna talk about uh Nicolas Maduro and the Trump strike on uh the Venezuelan uh drug ship.
And we're also gonna talk about uh the um topic of life after death uh and our own uh direct experience with this um with this topic.
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Guys, Debbie and I are really excited about this Friday roundup, and we want to uh well, we're gonna begin by talking about our new film, the uh trailer for the dragon's prophecy.
Just out, uh and we want you to see it if you haven't seen it already.
Uh so here we go, watch the trailer.
Then another sign appeared in heaven, an enormous red dragon.
Revelation 12.3 Once again, an armed attack in the Middle East, but this time it's different.
October 7th was the devil's hometown.
It's very hard to believe what happened, even though I was there insane with my own eyes and seeing them laughing and killing and having fun with it.
Because if you don't open the door, they are going to kill you and they are going to kill me, so please open the door.
So who are the Jews?
Who are the Palestinians?
And whose land is it really?
Could the fate of the world of humanity itself be somehow tied to this place?
The nation of Israel is a resurrected nation.
So what if there was gonna be a resurrection of another people, an enemy people of Israel?
The Bible speaks about this whole war as a dragon representing the enemy, attacking a woman representing Israel.
The civilian deaths on both sides represent victories on the part of the dragon.
The mass did everything within their ability to maximize the civilian casualty.
We came back to a land that was largely barren and empty, and we brought it back to life, and we're going to keep it.
The devil hates the Jewish People because they represent the existence of God.
Because without that Jewish foundation, there is no Christianity.
If we're approaching the end of time, God will reveal Himself more and more dramatically.
Speak back through the stones.
The story that they've been telling is that Israel is a colonial project.
The problem with that is the city of David.
We are an inconvenient truth.
Are you aware of any significant archaeological finding that contradicts the Bible?
No.
God's word stands firm.
The dragon will not prevail.
Your message here is become a dragon slave.
based on Jonathan Cahn's number one international bestseller, The Dragon's Prophecy.
Hey, that was, well, it gives us a little bit of chills, even though when you make a trailer, you've obviously seen it many times.
Many.
And I have to say the same is true of the film itself.
People often don't know, but when we make a film, we watch it so often that we almost have it have it memorized.
Yeah.
But this is a film, perhaps uniquely so, where we watch it for the 18th time and we're like, wow.
I still cry.
Well, you do cry at the ending.
Um, and um, and again, you know, there are other films where we've had people in tears or or just stand up and applaud in the theater.
But what we're saying is that it has that effect on us after multiple viewings, which is really remarkable.
Well, let's let's look at what we're trying to do with this film.
Uh, one of the things that I think that has frustrated me is that the debate over Israel over the Middle East, it's so static.
And um you hear the same kind of cliches on both sides.
What about the genocide?
What about colonialism?
You know, what about the civilian casualties?
And then on the other side, uh, you know, uh, Israel is our only ally in the Middle East, and um also the um Israel was attacked first, and so or Hamas is responsible for the civilian casualties because they do human shields.
So there's a certain kind of tableau, a set debate.
I think what's exciting to me is that we raise the level and we transform the debate by not so much by jumping in the middle of it and just taking one side or the other, but by elevating it to a completely new level for a framing questions and answering them that people haven't even thought of.
Right?
Uh, and you wanted us to do that.
Uh, and I think it is uh so fascinating how this film came about.
It didn't come about sort of in one shot, it wasn't like a blazing insight like fall on the road to Damascus.
It came about in stages.
So talk a little bit about how we kind of got on this track.
Well, as you know, this movie was actually going to be this we we've been kind of you know concocting a movie since about 2022.
Right.
And initially we were gonna do a January 6th movie.
Right.
Uh but there had been other movies made of January 6, and and it was we just felt like it was gonna be just a little bit too difficult to do.
We just weren't, you know, we were praying about it, and and now I know why, but God had other plans.
Right.
And um then uh you one thing led to another, and Salem, because we're partnered with Salem to do this movie, they said, well, what about a movie on Israel?
And this is prior to October 7th.
Right.
It's so interesting because we had gone to Israel in December of 2022, and uh, and yet we did not propose to Salem a movie on Israel.
They came up with it a little before October 7th.
Boom, October 7th occurs.
Now we we were like, this is now an interesting topic, but couldn't go to Israel.
Yeah, we thought because of because October 7th happened, we were gonna have to pivot.
Uh because travel was blocked.
There was essentially a war started, right?
That's right.
And so we were totally stymied.
And uh, and at the same time, as a little bit of time went by and Israel began to open up, we then realized, well, we're actually pulling away from doing, we don't want to do a movie that's just in the rear view mirror.
We don't want to do a movie two years later on, hey, this is all about what really happened on October 7th.
Now, what we did, which you did, was we collected dramatic on the scene footage of October 7th that people have never seen.
And and what I love about that is that it's to me very reminiscent of 2000 Mules, because in 2000 Meals we put people on the scene, right?
Here we're putting people on the scene.
It's almost like you're there, and we we sort of put this together, and you're it almost looks like we've made a movie by recreating it all, but no, it's the original, it's the original footage.
So it's a little graphic, and we have a little warning about it.
It's extremely graphic, but but that being said, the most graphic videos that I have are not gonna be in the movie.
Yeah, and and and the other thing is to be said is that these a lot of these videos, some of them were made in Israel, but others were made by Hamas.
And some of them were live, were live streamed at the time.
So needless to say, we on the second anniversary of October 7th are about to light a fuse in the sense that boom, we're gonna bring October 7th right to you.
But but more than that, I think we got the idea, the inside of saying, all right, we've got October 7th, but interestingly, our own interest in biblical archaeology, which had developed just several months earlier, is connected to October 7th because of the key political question, whose land is this?
Who are the original inhabitants of this land?
And that is by the way, an interesting question to pose not just about the Jews, but also about the Palestinians.
Who are the Palestinians?
You know, this is a this is a very ancient name, but it has only come into use in the last few decades, meaning it was in use in ancient times.
The Romans the Romans did it.
The Romans referred to all of Israel as Palestine.
Now, many people don't know the story, and this is actually not in the movie, but the Romans come along and they they want us like stick it to the Jews because there are some Jewish revolts, right?
And so the Romans go, okay, we'll teach these people a lesson.
They crush the revolts, and then they say, let's rename the land of Judea, let's rename Israel, and let's take the name of one of Israel's ancient enemies, the Palestini, the Philistines.
The Philistines.
And so the Romans call it Palestina, right?
The Romans are the ones in the sense.
So is look at the irony of all this.
The Romans take the name Palestinian in a sense from the Philistine, the ancient enemies of Israel.
They force it on Israel because they're ruling Israel.
Uh, and it is called that for a long time.
And then the name drops away, and then it's picked up again by a new.
I mean, all of this is in a very eerie way brought to life in the film.
In other words, one of the unique elements, I think, of the film is the idea that the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians is a revival, or as Jonathan Khan puts it, a resurrection of an ancient biblical conflict.
And that is just such a mind-blowing and interesting idea.
No one else has really framed it this way.
We had Khan in the podcast, right?
Talk about that.
Yeah.
So we had pa we had Khan on the podcast when he had um released his book, The Dragon's Prophecy.
Right.
And we thought it was a very cool book, a very interesting book, a perspective that I never had read before, um, about the ancient enemies of Israel coming back.
And and let's, you know, let's say that it's not that Khan is not saying that the Palestinians that are there today are the same people that were there in ancient times.
I think you know, people need to understand that that is not what he's saying.
He's not making a genetic connection.
That's right.
Although, you know, even though that's true, look, the Philistines as a group, as an entity, as an ethnic polity, they disappeared from history, right?
But guess what?
Where'd those people go?
They obviously remained the now, they remained in the land that was originally called Philistia.
And if you go pin that on a map, it's Gaza.
It's Gaza.
It's the Gaza Strip.
In fact, in the Bible, it talks about the cities of the Philistines.
The Philistines were an urban population, and they had Ekron, they had Gath, which is where Goliath is from, and they had Gaza.
Gaza's named in the Bible as such.
So the point being that even though Khan is not making this genetic argument, it is nevertheless a fact.
Right.
That the Philistines, the dis some of the descendants of the Philistines could be expected to have remained in that region.
But the most important thing I got out of that was the tactics that were used to kill the Jews.
Kill to humiliate the whole idea of hostages.
I mean, all of this is brought out in the film in a in a way I think that people, the few few people who have seen the film so far that will have previewed the film, they're just absolutely like mind-blown by it because it is not just, it is something that is very well developed and illustrated point by point.
And uh the other thing that Hakan does, I think, which is he introduces this fascinating element of biblical prophecy.
Now, my own view is has never been uh that uh biblical prophecy is something that can be deciphered like blow by blow, right?
I think that the book of Revelation is veiled for a reason.
Right.
It there's no need to say first it's gonna be this and then it's gonna be this because none of this is really all that clear.
In fact, you wouldn't have pre-millennialists and post-millennialists and 12 different schools if it was clear.
Right.
It's obviously it's intended to be a little obscure.
Right.
But that being said, there are certain things that are not obscure that the Bible could not be more clear about, and and the film dwells on those.
So we dwell on the realm of the indisputable, and Khan is very good on this, is what he's suggesting, and I think this is the big idea, is that October 7th is a biblically significant event.
Um and you don't even have to be a believer to see that.
You don't have to be a believer to see these parallels, because you can take the Bible as history.
The Bible is just a depiction of ancient battles that the Israelites fought with other people.
Let's you can just look at it that way, and you'll be you'll still be riveted.
That's right.
Right?
Yep.
So we'll talk a little bit, tell you a little bit about the plan of release of this film.
It's uh going to be in theaters on just two days.
Uh October 6th, which is a Tuesday.
No, Monday.
It's a Monday, sorry.
October 6th is a Monday.
And October 8th.
Is a Wednesday.
A Wednesday.
So notice this a very easy way to remember this is it's on the two days alongside October 7th.
Uh, we wanted, by the way, to put it in theaters October 7th because of the peculiarity of theaters.
We couldn't get that day, but we got the six, we got the eight.
It'll be in select theaters, a lot of theaters, but select theaters around the country.
So if you want to see it in theaters, a great way to see it because we make these films with incredible cinematic like bells and whistles.
So if you can round up your your friends, round up your group, see it in the theater.
Now, the movie tickets are not available yet.
They'll be available mid-September.
And the website is the Dragons Prophecy Film.com.
The Dragons Prophecy Film.com.
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It will link to the movie.
We'll put it here in today's podcast as well.
We'll put in the link as well.
Yeah, but what you can do now, so once again, it's in theaters October 6th and October 8th.
The very next day, October 9th, the film is available.
DVDs will ship out that day, or ship out actually a couple days earlier to arrive on that day, October 9th.
And it's also available for digital download, uh streaming purchase.
It's going to be on multiple platforms, including notably Salem Now.
Salem is our partner in this film, as they were, by the way, for 2,000 mules.
And so you can sign up now to order DVDs.
You can sign up now for advanced streaming.
So you can sign up to watch it the moment it's it's available for streaming on October 9th.
And please do that.
Go to the Dragons Prophecy P-R-O-P-H-E-C-Y Prophecy Film.com.
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So we're really excited.
I mean, this is a big deal.
And you want to talk about the song at the end.
Oh, talk about the song.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we had John Rich on also a while ago.
On the podcast.
On the podcast.
And he was talking about different things, you know, woke culture and cancel culture and all that stuff.
The music industry.
And I I thought, you know, let's see what kind of what songs he has, you know, especially, you know, Christian songs or whatever.
And so I go on iTunes, and I see this image of the world, and it says, Earth to God.
Right.
And I'm like, oh, let me hear this song.
And I play it, and I am like blown away.
You know, the there are songs that blow me away, and there are songs that don't blow me away.
This one did.
And I was like, honey, we have to have this song in the movie.
And at the time we hadn't even, we didn't have a movie.
Like we had not even gone to Israel.
We hadn't filmed anything.
We didn't even know the concept of the movie yet, really.
I said, I don't care.
This has to be in the movie.
So once we we went to Israel and we we figured out what how we were going to frame the movie, how we were going to piece it together, the elements, our baptism.
I mean, this was in we'll we'll swing back to the song in just a second, but this was in itself fascinating because it was not easy to go to Israel.
That's right.
And what we did was Israel was open briefly, it was closed.
Then some, you know, some rockets from Iran strike and it's closed again and then it opens up again.
And the truth of it is it is very difficult to plan a film trip to Israel in this window.
Well, we were canceled once.
We were cancelled once.
We had plane tickets and we were notified that the the it wasn't gonna happen.
It wasn't gonna happen.
Yeah.
And not only that, but we we almost went we were there nine days.
So we went in a providential window.
Now admittedly, we were going into a war zone.
In fact, I I think this is in that sense our bravest movie, because before we went, you know, people were like, Are you guys going to Israel?
Are you nuts?
Are you going to Gaza?
Are you going to Gaza?
We're like, no, no, we're not gonna go to Gaza.
You we're not crazy.
And we go there, let's go to Gaza.
Well, not only that, but I really thought we were gonna stay more like in Jerusalem.
Right.
The center.
And we end up going not just to Gaza, but we go to Shiloh to Dia and Samaria.
Yeah, we're right in the West Bank.
Uh, you know, we basically could see all these armored cars.
In fact, we have ourselves been uh and we and we had the appropriate security.
My favorite my favorite of all this was we're in Gaza.
And uh here's Gaza, and we are in the kibbutzes uh and we were doing some conversations there for the film, and in between the kibbutzes and Gaza, which is only a few hundred feet, is a field, right?
Yeah, so this is our film team.
This is a field where uh there were some there's footage, and and this is what what was so eerie.
We were we had to go through what's called the death row net road now, uh, where all of the cars were basically burned.
Right.
The people were killed.
These were the people that went to the f uh the Nova Film Festival.
So we went to Nova Film Testival site, and there was a memorial site for for all of the people that died there.
But um, but when we went to the kibbutz, in between that the the guys thought it would be cool for you to just go into the field and and walk as the explosions are happening behind you, which we can hear, yeah, and and machine guns.
And we can see the smoke, and the smoke, and then the funny thing is well, it's not funny actually, but a lot of the reporters, like the CNN reporters and and the Fox News reporters, they all they all have like vests and they have a helmet.
And anytime they're in that war zone for good reason, well, either for good reason or for a phone in his pocket, he's walking around and and Bruce, you know, our partner was like, We've gotta get out of here.
We've gotta get this is this is too scary, man.
We gotta get out of here.
And I had this like it it really was a piece that surpassed all understanding because you know how I am.
I'm afraid of my own shadow, okay.
Well, you yeah, you don't like these kinds of unpredictable situations.
You are a creature of planning and and safety.
Yes, and uh, but you are you're saying you had a almost an uh preternatural calm.
I did, I was not afraid at all.
I was I really wasn't well, there are two things that struck me.
One is we actually have footage in the film of hostages being dragged across that field into Gaza.
And so you'll see it.
The other thing is that you know, from Gaza, it's n being a short distance.
You could easily have a sniper from Gaza without setting foot out of Gaza, take shots.
Yeah, and uh and and there were no IDF soldiers in sight, there was no there were no police.
We it was just us, our team, and we set up and um, but hey, listen, anything for the shot, right?
As they say, and I mean here the film shot.
Oh yeah, yeah.
And every time Dinesh would say something about a shooting, wow, people would be like, What?
No, no, no, you know, filming.
We call it a shooting, but it's a double adrect, yes, exactly.
So we had to be careful with that because we couldn't say that, not there anyway.
Needless to say, we've done a film here.
And well, let's finish up about about John Rich.
You were you were talking about this song.
Yes, it's a very the song was written, I believe, in the aftermath of COVID.
It was right, but it's it doesn't reference COVID.
It's essentially almost like a telecommunications earth to God.
What a great title, by the way.
And and so suited to the to a film that is highly political and historical, but also biblically transcendent.
Spiritual.
And spiritual.
And so the song, like in a in a very non-denominational way, evokes all that.
And and And it's almost like at the end of the film, I mean, we don't have this, but it's like you could take an image of the spinning earth, and it's like earth to God, right?
And in some ways, I think what we're saying or implying in this film is that there is actually a biblical reason why this conflict has never settled.
In other words, think about it.
Republican and Democratic presidents have moseied over there.
There have been like dozens and dozens of plans, the one-state solution, the two-state solution, perhaps a no-state solution, uh, the Palestinians need all to move to Jordan.
Why doesn't Egypt take them?
You know, because Trump's idea of the Riviera.
But somehow that spot, other conflicts, look at India, Pakistan, simmers up, simmers down.
Northern Ireland conflict, we don't hear much about that today.
Uh, but this conflict has been persistent.
Well, you know, it it actually goes to the heart of it, and that is who was the first anti-Semite.
Yeah, the answer to this question is I I would hold back.
Don't go into it.
But but the point being that again, a topic like anti-Semitism, which gets a little bit tired in the way people think about it, they talk about it.
And you know, and i I can see why it rankles, you know, because when you someone goes, You're an anti-Semite, the other guy goes, Well, what are you saying?
I mean, if I criticize Israel, okay, let's say I criticize the Jews.
Let's say I don't like Jews.
Does that make me an anti-Semite?
So I I can see the the rebellion against the rebellion against it.
It needs to be recast and so that people understand more deeply what is this all about.
Because one of the themes I raise in the film is I say, look, anti-Semitism and racism are actually not the same.
They're used as synonymous, oh, you hate people because they're Jewish, oh, you hate me because I'm black.
Well, racism is a looking down on people, right?
People who are doing poorly in society, and you're like, listen, I know why you're doing badly, you're inferior, right?
But the Jews are not doing poorly.
They're doing well.
Not only that, but the the uh uh people say, well, they're controlling America.
I mean, think about this.
A country of a few million people that has a gross national product that's a tiny fragment of ours that doesn't have any weaponry to compare to ours, how are they controlling us?
I I had this out with Nick Fuentes.
I go, if they're controlling us, this is like the gnat or the the bee controlling the elephant.
I mean, that would truly make the Jews the master race, right?
It would be like, it makes no sense.
Uh and yet this is something that needs to be.
I think part of what I'm really proud about this film is it doesn't, it doesn't shirk, it doesn't hold back, it doesn't hide from any issues.
It takes on not only the left-wing critique, which is of course the is Israel a colonial power, but it takes on the critique from the right.
And that is a delicate issue.
Uh, and I'm sure there's some people who will say, well, you know, uh, but we think that the best way to deal with this is not by concealment or even euphemism.
It's like, okay, uh, are the Jews of today the actual descendants of the ancient Israelites?
Yes or no.
And so we're like, let's get into it.
Let's take this seriously.
So we raise the level.
I mean, no one has actually gone into it.
It came up in the Tucker Ted Cruz debate, and it's like, yes, I think it is, I think it's not.
But we're like, here's what the facts are, here's what the truth is.
Um, so it's a the film could not be more timely.
We didn't need we didn't even know the timeliness of it when we were shooting.
Yeah, but that's why I said uh God had other plans.
Yeah, he knew the time, the timing of it.
And the film, quite honestly, guys, is is a is a is a shift for us, right?
If you look at our other films, and um, I mean, you and I met in the aftermath of America, so we've been working together aftermath.
Because America had already been done, that film, right?
Yeah.
But we we worked on Hillary, we worked on the Death of a Nation, Trump guard.
The common theme of all those films, uh, even going back to my Obama film is what is the meaning of America?
And and the films are sort of complex variations on that theme.
This film does not fit into that mold.
It's it's a break.
Uh And um, so it is um it is a film for everyone who takes this stuff seriously, everyone who wants to look at things with fresh eyes, uh, everyone who wants to have a um a serious look at the at whether or not the Bible is validated by history.
Um so the the combination I think of politics and um and biblical archaeology and prophecy is what gives the film its electricity.
Yep.
Agree?
Yeah, I agree.
And um, and some people may say, Oh guys, why did you have to put all that violent footage in it?
And and to that I say you cannot tell the story of what happened and what's what's actually been happening, because you know, even Samson, right?
Was weren't his eyes uh gouged, you know?
Absolutely.
So so it was very graphic and it's very graphic in the Bible as to what happened at the Bible is a very violent book, to be honest.
If you read it, uh even if you come at it from the outside and read it straight out, it what I what I actually like about the Bible is it is unflinching in describing not just the sins of man, which are terrible, but the sins of the Israelites, which are also terrible.
Uh give a small example.
Like um, you know, we're fame we're familiar with David and the and and how he got Bathsheba's husband sent to the front.
But look at Solomon, who's like the presented in the Bible as like the embodiment of judiciousness of wisdom.
Nevertheless, Solomon, how does he get to the throne?
He is he is the offspring of David and Bathsheba, to be sure, but David had a lot of wives, and David had a lot of offspring.
There was one main rival, Solomon has that guy killed.
So the brutality of the Bible.
Yeah, um is uh something that is very telling.
The the Bible is um not the world as it ought to be.
Many people think that's what the Bible is.
Wishful thinking.
It was the world as it was.
It's the world as it is, described with um clear eyes.
That's right.
And um and the realism of the Bible is what is um what is shocking, right?
Abraham goes to Egypt and the Pharaoh goes, Hey, uh, I like your wife.
That's right.
Can I can I have her?
Yeah, you know, and then Abraham goes, Well, it's not my wife, it's my sister.
Think about this.
Right?
I mean, this is like my very mind-bending stuff.
Yeah, and um, and so um needless to say, the film is is coming.
The trailer's out.
By the way, the trailer is available everywhere.
You can get it on YouTube.
Um, you can get it on on Rumble, Facebook.
You can watch it on this podcast that we just played for you.
That's right.
But I want people to share it.
Yeah, that's right.
So you can find the YouTube link and and share it.
Yep.
And it's on my YouTube channel.
So just go to go to my channel.
And it's also, it'll be on our description uh in the podcast as well.
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We got some other stuff going on in the world.
Um, nothing quite as important as what we've been talking about, I have to say.
But how about our trip to Idaho that has left me really, really tired?
You more normally we do uh we're up right and early, like you know, I get up about 5:30 and we go hit the we go essentially for an early morning walk because it gets kind of hot in Texas as the day goes on.
But the last two days you've been you're like, perhaps we should give it a pass.
Well, okay, so we went to Idaho and we had to um get a uh well, we had to connect in Denver, then Denver to Spokane.
Yeah, Spokane.
Spokane.
I uh I say spokane, but it's spoken.
And that the trip going there was perfect because the connection connected, right?
There was It was smooth.
Yeah, there was no delay.
We were we were able, we had a one hour connection, and it was fine.
However, on the way back, not so much.
Yeah, it became it ended up becoming as it sometimes does, like an international trip.
And why?
Because well, we had a one-hour connection, and it turned out that our outgoing plane was like three hours late, and so we had to rebook and we almost missed that connection.
We almost missed that connection.
So, but we we ultimately made, but yeah, we got going in the morning.
Was it about eight?
What time did we leave?
No, we didn't leave that early.
We left about 10.
We left about 10 and we we got 10 Pacific time.
So we stepped into our house at midnight.
Midnight, yes.
So it was a bit of a long day.
Now, what I found interesting about Court well, Cordelaine is is absolutely beautiful.
Yes.
We haven't gone there before, partly because it's you've gone there, but not.
I I went to speak.
Yeah.
And I I stayed at a hotel overlooking.
We went there in February, which is really cold.
So this also explains why I didn't really get out, but I saw the beauty of it.
And the beauty of the Northwest is different.
It's just a different part of America.
It's even different than Colorado.
It's hilly but not mountainous.
Uh wide open spaces, beautiful lakes and rivers.
Of course, our walks, which we did do over there, were just absolutely gorgeous.
Um the one thing that did make me laugh were these land acknowledgements.
Because when you take these walks, you see these big like sculptures or signs, and it's like we wish to acknowledge the ancient Kukotani, I think it's uh Kutanae County.
So it's probably the Kootanae Indians uh who once lived here.
And you know, I I always we talked about that yesterday on the podcast.
Yeah, these these land acknowledgements annoy me.
I know uh because of how kind of morally fraudulent they are, right?
Well, like even when like when we landed in in Australia, the same thing.
They did they do the same thing.
Well, they do it on the airline as you land, as you land, land acknowledgement.
We are landing in the land of Oz.
No.
Well, and and Democrats do this now.
This is one of their new things.
La land acknowledged.
Now think about it.
What is the what is the meaning of a land acknowledgement?
Is it like I stole your land, I don't want to give it back to you, but I want to pay my respects.
That's how I translate it.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry I did it.
Um and then and of course, the if you're truly sorry you did it, you should return it.
Yeah.
Right.
Uh I'm sorry I stole all this art from your house.
I have no intention of returning it to you.
I want to keep it.
However, I will acknowledge I will I will post a an odd acknowledgement.
It's virtue signaling at a very high level, and it's also virtue signaling making everyone else virtue signal that doesn't want to, basically.
Right.
And the reason let's look at why we don't want to.
Like, why do I not want to do a land acknowledgement?
Partly because I realize, you know, the philosopher Rousseau said somewhere, he goes, the first man to put a fence around his house and say, This is mine.
He's like, like that's the first like major charlatan, right?
And what Rousseau is getting at is something quite profound is he goes, Who made the land?
God made the land, right?
So what does it mean for you to say, I not only do I own this land, I can build my house here, but I own it in perpetuity.
Russo goes, like, tell me another tall story.
So there is something like profound about this question of land ownership, how countries are formed.
And the truth of the matter is that most countries got their land through brutality through conquest.
Right?
That's the maybe unpretty truth about the universe.
Um and it we have to sort of deal with it, But this land acknowledgement thing is a fraudulent way of dealing with it, as opposed to saying, hey, listen, look, um, it wasn't exactly, you know, how did India become India?
Well, all invading peoples came in, they conquered it for centuries.
That's how the borders got established.
Um there were Native Americans here, but they were raiding each other and taking land from each other.
Then the white man came and basically took it from them.
Um with Israel.
Of course, you you've had the question of the original inhabitants, but of course you have UN and its role after World War II.
Uh, you've obviously had multiple wars.
Israel has taken land, they've given the Sinai back to Egypt.
So all of this, I think is is shabbily treated by these land acknowledgement hoaxers.
Uh and that's why, even so that was the one like ideological blot.
Yeah.
Now, Cordelaine is a conservative place.
Yeah.
And so it's particularly.
And it's very clean.
Very clean.
Wrons the city by how clean it is and and pristine and and just cute.
Well, and more importantly, how safe it is.
And safe, of course.
All those things, yes.
Not one moment did we look over our shoulder.
No.
Not one moment did we think we were gonna be like accosted.
No.
No.
Uh we didn't even feel the need to take a precaution.
Because it's really funny because we Ubered a couple of times, and one of the Uber drivers, it was hilarious.
Oh, this has never happened to us.
This was like downright crazy.
Yeah.
So he picks us up and then he goes, Hi guys, how are you?
We're like, we're great, thanks.
And he goes, Hey, uh, do you guys have some time?
And we No, he's he's driving us to our hotel.
Yeah, and he's talking about Cord Elaine.
And we obviously are like, Oh, that's interesting.
He's like, Have you ever been to this restaurant?
It's floating out in the water.
We're like, no, no, we haven't been.
Oh, it's interesting.
He goes, Have you seen this?
We're like, no, we haven't.
So suddenly he goes, Hey, do you mind if I go out of my way and take you on a side route and show you some things?
And I Debbie, you saw my face, right?
Yeah, you're like gosh.
What if it's a serial killer?
Of like, of like, this is what Uber drivers function on time.
Yeah, their whole idea is I make 20 bucks, it's gonna take me seven minutes to get from here to there.
So the idea, I'm gonna take you uh because he can't he's not changing the price.
The idea, I'm gonna take you to show you a few things in Court Elaine.
Yeah, but that's that's how easy going these guys are.
He takes us and is, yeah, that's the the restaurant floating on the river.
Those are the houses that are like, you know, multi-million dollar overlooking the cliffs.
Those that's this.
And you know, we're like, oh, that that's great, thanks.
And then and then I'm we're like, maybe we should really tip them good because he was really nice.
Well, he deserved it, that's for sure.
But anyway, fun trip.
Yeah, let's talk about uh your I won't say your buddy, because this is your anti-buddy, anti-Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela.
So a very important um uh incident.
The Trump administration, Trump orders a military strike on a ship carrying uh narco drug traffickers.
Uh and look, you're already smiling from year to year.
You're like, you almost have an evil smile.
Uh but the no the truth of it is you have been like really hoping that the Trump administration, because as you know, there is a strain in the in the MAGA wing of the Republican Party, like the United States, none of our business, you know, we should stay home.
The we should solve our own problems.
But a country has to have a foreign policy.
And uh, and there's no question that the Maduro regime is implicated in this drug trafficking.
These aren't like do-it-yourself drug traffickers.
These are and so Trump goes, look, these people pose a threat to us.
They're bringing these dangerous drugs into the country, and and it shows Trump's willingness to do this kind of military action, right?
I mean, you look at Solomani, you look at the strike on Iran, you look at this strike.
Uh, it's going to make some people on our side a bit queasy, but I think it's great.
It should make Mr. Nicolas Maduro a bit queasy.
Well, we know it did.
You know why?
Because I showed you that thing.
I sent it to you.
Madura's now saying he goes, listen, this is so classic.
He goes, I don't understand why we have to be at odds over this.
He's saying, why don't I and Trump work together to deal with the drug problem, which is like this is sort of like an offer coming from Al Capone, which is like, listen, hey, FBI, don't go after the mafia.
You and I can work together to deal with this mafia problem in our society.
You know, we go way back.
You know, you know, we it's like, no, and not to mention uh Bondi a while ago said that there was a $50 million um what do you call it?
Uh $50 million.
Like a bounty.
Bounty on him.
And I'm like, hey, hey, I know where he is to ask me.
You know, I can tell you where he is, and you know Yeah, the bounty you and I were a little bit, I won't say we were scornful about it, but what we said was like, wait a minute, this is almost like treating a foreign policy issue, Maduro, like it's a DOJ problem.
Like you're dealing with some, you know, some gang in like Minneapolis that needs to be tracked down.
No, you're dealing with a foreign government.
Yeah.
Uh, if anyone, this is the State Department, this is the DOJ.
That's right.
You don't deal with this as a legal matter per se.
Uh so we were like a little odd.
We thought it was law, but this is not odd.
But let me tell you, taking this man, like, I don't know if taking him out is the right word, but removing him from power because he's not the legitimate president of this country of Venezuela.
But you would solve a lot of other issues along the way.
For example, Iran, Iran has their sites on Venezuela, and they have for a long time.
Well, they have an active presence.
They don't just have their sites, they are in the ground.
In fact, there are cabinet members that are Iranian, right?
In the in the Venezuelan government.
Um, Russia, same thing.
Uh, China, same thing.
So you would solve all that problem right there.
You would like go, you know what?
No more.
We're we're gonna take, we're gonna take back the danger that that Venezuela poses with these enemies at the helm.
This you're saying this is the festering root of our backyard problem.
That's right.
It's uh in fact, ultimately it spills into places like Mexico.
Uh, but Venezuela is almost like that's the socialist home base.
It is.
And you've got Russia's in there, China's in there, Iran is in there, and they're in there for a reason.
They're not in there just because of uh benevolence or they're trying to build a port.
No, they're in there because they know the strategically, geopolitically, they're very close to our shores.
Right.
And um, and so I think that, you know, putting not to mention all of the other issues that stem from the Venezuelan problem.
Uh, for example, all of the Aragua gang members that that were released from prison in Venezuela that happened to come all the way to America, that was a problem that we wouldn't have had if Maduro had not been there.
Uh so that illegality of the Venezuelans that came illegally was a result, a direct result of Maduro.
Uh so Maduro's narco trafficking is bad enough, but then you have all the other issues along with it, uh, meaning all of the other geopolitical issues that go with it.
So it would solve all of that if if we were to remove him from power.
We have time to cover probably one more topic, and the topic I propose is well, it's the it's a topic of death.
Um, and I want to cover it kind of in two separate ways.
Well, the first way is that Larry Sinclair is dead.
Um, tell people who Larry Sinclair is.
Some people will have obviously know, but others won't.
Well, if you go back to the Trump card movie, um, Dinesh interviewed Larry Sinclair, who uh who claimed that he and Obama had done a few shenanigans back in the day.
They had a sexual relationship escapada.
No, it was a two-night stand.
Oh, sorry, a two-night stand.
Yeah.
Uh and this was uh this was asserted uh when Obama first ran.
The media completely buried it.
That's right.
Uh so much so that I made a film on Obama in 2012.
I didn't even know about it.
I know, I know.
You told me about it.
Yeah.
And you're like, who's Larry Sinclair?
I'm like, well, let me show you.
So So yes.
And subsequently we met him.
We in fact I I've only talked to him that one time.
You stayed in touch with him, and he would send you information, and you knew he was in very bad health.
Yes.
But the thing about that interview, and and I interviewed him for Trump card.
Subsequently, a year later or two years later, Tucker interviewed him.
And but it's worth watching the interview because this guy who had a very difficult upbringing.
Obviously, think about it.
He was essentially a male prostitute.
How do you get there?
I don't even know.
But he got there.
I think he had a lot of drug problems.
Yes.
You know, that stemmed from who knows what.
But um, but he was he was a gay man who who had this encounter with Obama.
But after the encounter with Obama, they essentially tried to make him like look crazy.
And they they also tried to arrest him, they tried to ruin him.
Yeah.
Uh interestingly, listening to him, you get the sense that here is a guy who's had a lot of difficulty in life, but who's a straight shooter.
I believe him.
You believe it.
In fact, that's why you told me about him.
You're like, you're like, I saw this, and you're like, I think he's credible.
And we thought he was credible.
And uh, but unfortunately, um, you know, you and you made this point, I think yesterday was that hey, when you live this kind of life of of um drugs unstability and drugs, and uh I don't know if he was homeless at times.
He was you uh it's gonna catch up with you, and that's what seems to have happened here.
He was in very bad medical straits.
He did leave behind a lot of documentation, and I'm gonna kind of he he sent a lot of it to me, and we've been so busy that I I didn't really go through it, but I'm gonna go through it, and uh we may be maybe even do a podcast special on it.
Go into some of those things.
Go into some of his things.
Well, you were just showing me, and well, maybe we'll save this topic uh and tie it in uh next week, is the uh the there was a recent interview uh and and a recent article about the the Obama's uh sort of not I wouldn't say troubled marriage, but you could say let's say bumpy or rocky marriage, and all of that in some ways is not unconnected with what we're talking about, uh, possibly, right?
Uh so we we'll we'll save that dissection for another day.
But let's close out with uh you are one of the reasons I'm doing on the podcast, I've started this examination of life after death.
Uh is partly because this is a topic that we've been talking about quite a bit, and especially so in the connection of your mom, who's now you just had the one year anniversary of your mom of your mom dying.
Uh, and I thought we should talk about one aspect of this that well, some people will certainly know about, others won't.
And that is this issue of the rally.
Yeah, let me let me see if I have if I can uh find the this article that I have, yeah.
So um but you have to explain what the rally is.
Yeah, so I had no idea obviously what the rally was, which um is basically a surge of energy that a dying person has right before they pass away.
So, like if they if they've been in a coma or if they've been asleep and they they no longer eat, uh they're obviously not really aware of anything.
All of a sudden they wake up and they'll ask for their favorite meal, or they'll start chatting with you about things that are happening, and and it's just so out of the blue that you're you're almost like, wait a minute, are you are you getting better?
And and this rally is supposed to only last a few hours or a few days.
But my mom's rally lasted about two months, and it was so incredible that um you know, I still think about it to this day.
Yeah, it's uh the We got it when we your mom was in hospice and they gave us a booklet, very eye-opening booklet, but it showed you exactly what to expect.
All the stages, yes.
And it tells you that when you see this apparent miraculous revival, the rally, don't be fooled by it.
Right.
Because otherwise, if you think, oh, wait a minute, my you know, my mom who was comatose is now like back on her feet, you think, okay, all is well, all is not well.
It's almost as if it there is programmed into life this final normalcy Before the body shuts down.
That's right.
Right.
It's it's really quite amazing.
Well, they say only about four out of ten people expecting it.
Have it at all.
And even fewer than that have a long rally like my mom had.
Right.
In fact, sometimes people go out of hospice care because hospice thinks, well, I guess they're back.
You know, so I know that mom's hospice, they were a little surprised at the fact that okay, well, we're going, you know, the my mom is like aware and everything for a week later, and and so this is not just a couple of days, a month later, and my mother is back to normal.
She's walking again.
Um, she's aware again, she's watching TV, which you know, at the time she it was you know, my mom loved her novellas, Spanish, so Barbara's and the English ones too.
And she was no longer even a like she didn't care about them anymore.
Well, one thing you mentioned, which I think is really interesting is the way in which when people reach the last stage of life, they disconnect from the world.
That's right.
Suddenly, like yeah, like your mom was very interested, like in Trump.
Yes.
What's going on?
Well, why is Trump saying that, Debbie?
You know, explain this to me and stuff.
And then you said somehow at some point she stopped asking.
She she no longer really cared.
And and I no longer really could engage with with her on politics, right?
Or anything like that.
So our you know, it our relationship kind of just changed a little bit because I knew that maybe it's time to let it go.
Let it go.
Let it go.
But but so this was very interesting.
And of course, we went off to Australia.
Right.
And when we left, she got sick again.
And I knew deep down that this was it.
As you know.
Right.
And uh I got I did get to come back.
She waited for me.
I got to come back, and and we interacted very briefly before she went into like a you know, unconscious state.
Right.
And um, but I got to hold her hand when she took her last breath.
But it is isn't that that itself, think about it.
That means that a person has some degree of control over when they finally sign out.
Because think of it, your mom was like, I'm gonna wait.
And and the will to do that sustained her body until you got there.
Because otherwise uh she would be gone.
But you had that last moment with her, which is very meaningful and important.
So um, yeah, these are the themes that uh that any exploration of life after death has to start with what is this phenomenon called death, actually.
So I'm really looking forward to your book.
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