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CREATING A MONSTER Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1159
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Coming up, I'll explore the root causes of the latest school shooting, revealing how our society creates such monsters.
Also want to argue three strikes and you're out in connection with Federal Reserve governor Lisa Cook, an allegationations of mortgage fraud.
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A few days ago there was a shooting at a Minneapolis Catholic school.
Two children dead, several injured, and I remember Debbie and I talking about this right when it happened, and both of us got the vibe that the shooter was trans.
We didn't know that to be the case, and obviously I've learned now not to speculate about these kinds of things, but sure enough.
The shooter, I shouldn't say is or was because the shooter ultimately turned the gun right on himself.
We are talking about this guy who goes by Robin and Robin is the trans name.
And it's a very interesting case because it's a case where the trans shooter was well aware that he was deeply messly aware that he was not really trans.
I would go so far as to say he was deeply aware that there's no such thing as a trans.
There is only people who are delusional.
And this Robin, the shooter, was born by the way as Robert, one of five children, apparently had a difficult upbringing, then went was essentially did all.
Did all these treatments, became Robin.
And then when you look at the shooter's comments, the shooter says in effect something like I kept the long hair, but that's really all that's left of me being trans.
That's all that's left of me being a woman.
I think what this Robin Westman is trying to say is that this transitioning doesn't really work.
It doesn't make you into something else.
In fact, you can lull yourself into a delusion, but at some level if you're honest, and there's an element of honesty here., you have the shooter recognizing that I'm I'm still who I am.
And I think really this is what leads to a certain type of breaking point.
In other words, the attempt to transition and then the recognition that that's a fraud.
Actually, on our way to the podcast this morning, Debbie and I, we typically swing and pick up a cup of coffee at a coffee shop and we're in line.
We see a kind of a symbol on the car in front of us and Debbie's like, what is that?
And I say, well, it looks like a skull.
And Debbie goes, no, look more closely.ely, it does appear to be that.
And then it's confirmed by the fact that right above it on the windshield itself, there's a big kind of satanic type of sign.
It's a star with a figure embedded inside of it.
We peek inside the car, what do we see?
We see a trans person, basically a man with lipstick and big flowing hair, very freaky looking.
And I was thinking to myself, what's really going on?
What's the connection here between the trans and the satanic symbol?
And I said to Debbie, I said, well, I think it' this person, if I had to just guess, is basically angry with God for making him trans.
Now, I'm not saying that God actually made him trans.
God doesn't make anybody trans.
But what I'm saying is this is a person who is completely messed up in the head over their gender identity, if you want to call it that.
And they go, God, why did you put me in this position?
Why do I feel this way?
I blame you.
And think about it, if you blame God for something and you decide ultimately to make a radical break with God, you may think that the conventional way to do that is to become an atheist.
Well, I will stop believing in you, God.
But I think that the truly more, in a sense, even more profound opposition to God is not I refuse to believe in you, which is after all a little bit at some level dumb.
It's like I don't like my trip to Chicago.
I refuse to believe in Chicago.
Chicago does not exist.
No, a much more profound reaction is to associate with the opposite of what you are opposed to.
So I oppose God.
I don't want anything to do with God.
I'm going to sign up for the opposition party.
And who is that?
Well, that's really Satan.
Now in the case coming back to Robin Westman, I'm not saying that's what he did.
But there are signs that there is, that is what he did.
Why?
Because there is a very interesting image drawn by the shooter.
He's standing in front of the mirror, and what do you see in the mirror?
A demon, a demon.
Now I think that's Robin Westman saying, I have become a demon.
So in this case, he's not just signing up for the Satanic Party, he's claiming to actually be a demon himself, or at least that's what what he sees.
That's a level of self recognition.
Here's an insightful observation by doctor Paul McHugh, distinguished service professor of psychiatry, Johns Hopkins School of Medicine.
Transgenderism is the only mental illness, demanding that the rest of society adopt the patient's delusion as part of the patient's treatment.
Never seen it put quite that way.
It really struck me.
Think about it.
By and large, if you have someone who comes around saying something that is preposterous, you know, I am Napoleon.
I just won the battle against the English or I just lost the Battle of Waterloo.
What do I do now?
You'd be like, well, I'm certainly not going to agree with you.
You're nuts.
And I might I might nod if I want to basically figure out a quick way to exit the room, so I need not engage you, but I'm certainly not going to sustain you in this delusion unless I'm just trying to play a malicious joke on you.
And then I might do it.
Like, where's your horse, Napoleon?
And so on.
But I think what Paul McHugh is getting at here is here is that in the case of the trans, the delusion is so fragile.
You might have thought I was going to say the delusion is so deep.
It's not that deep.
If it weren't deep, it wouldn't need societal affirmation.
It needs societal affirmation because the delusion is weak.
Life is constantly spitting back at you, that's not who you are.
Your own body is rebelling against you and saying no, no, no.
And so what you need is all of society to turn into a cheerleading faction going, Yes, you are, yes, you're right.
And so this is the twisted cultural moment in which we live now.
I'm going to mention a very interesting piece of reporting by our friend Andy No, because I saw a number of posts on social media basically blaming this kid's mom for transitioning him and for insisting that he be called with reference to the right pronouns and so on.
Andy does some excellent reporting in which he talks to a member of the family, someone close to the family, and it turns out that the mom is actually conservative.
The dad was the one egging on his son to transition.
The mom opposed it, and evidently the mom even told him.
I'm now going to quote from Andy's article.
I remember one day she said something like, In the future, you will feel ridiculous about who you feel like you are inside.
You will regret it.
And you can see from what I mentioned earlier that Robin Westman took to heart some of the things his mom said.
Because later when he said things like he was quote brainwashed into becoming trans, who was he brainwashed by?
According to Andy No, he was brainwashed by his dad.
Here is also a statement.
There was a lot of the writings and drawings and so on excavated by this guy.
He basically goes gender, he talks about gender and he talks about weed.
I wish I never tried experimenting with either.
So you see here the unusual phenomenon.
You know, trans activists and some of these trans medical personnel, people who service the trans industry.
By the way, it's lucrative business.
This is why so many hospitals are into it.
They stand to make a ton of money.
So they're all telling you how normal it is, how healthy it is, how there's wonderful adjustments to life and so on.
But here you see in the mind of somebody who became unhinged, became a killer that trans was in a way a death sentence not just for the people that he killed, but also in a very literal sense for himself.
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Lisa Cook is a governor.
one of the small group of governors of the Federal Reserve.
So a very powerful position, the Federal Reserve oversees the banks, it sets certain type of short term interest rates, it controls the money supply of US dollars.
And Lisa Cook at the same time has been referred, a criminal referral to the Department of Justice for what seem to be multiple cases of mortgage fraud.
Bill Poulti, who's head of the housing agency who made their referrals calls it three strikes and you're out.
And what are we talking about here?
We're talking about misrepresenting the status of properties that you own.
See, there are really three possibilities here.
If you own a piece of real estate, it can be your primary residence, that's category number one.
It can be your second home like a vacation home, and that's category number two.
And the third is it's an investment property that you, for example, rent out.
And so there are three different possibilities.
And by the way, all being honest about which it is is very important for a host of reasons.
Here in Texas, for example, you can take a deduction against your property taxes on your primary residence.
You can't do it on a second home or a third home, and you can't do it on a rental property.
Second of all, when something is your primary residence, you can often get a better mortgage interest rate.
So the interest rate on your mortgage, the terms of your mortgage, all of this has to do with banks making a risk assessment and the risk assessment has to do with whether your property falls into category one, two, or three.
By and large, the safest loans are to people who are in a primary residence.
After all, you live there, you're going to do your best to try to pay it back and to keep your house.
A second home is a little more risky because it's a little more disposable as an asset, and investment properties in a whole different category.
Now, Lisa Cook, she has a property in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
She this is a property that she has represented as her second home even though it turns out out she rents it out.
She also misrepresented a property she owns in Atlanta, Georgia, saying it was her residence, even though she is renting it out to tenants.
And there's a funny video where an investigative reporter goes to one of these homes, which is supposedly where Lisa Cook lives.
He looks in the window and he sees a white guy.
Lisa Cook is black.
Not only is she black, but she's not even married.
So he knocks on the door and a voice goes, Who is it?
And the guy goes, Well, I'm a journalist.
I'm trying to talk to Lisa Cook.
I believe she lives here and then the guy becomes extremely uncomfortable and says, I don't really want to talk about it.
Well, clearly Lisa Cook does not live there.
This is kind of smoking gun proof that this property is rented out, somebody else is living there.
So it looks pretty obvious that this is a case where there has been some misrepresentation.
Lisa Cook, interestingly enough, doesn't even really deny it.
She Trump has fired her for cause.
Trump, by the way, can't remove governors of the Federal Reserve except for cause.
instances of alleged mortgage fraud really does offer plenty of quote cause.
Now, there's a legitimate argument about the independence of the Federal Reserve, and this is the basis on which Lisa Cook seems to be fighting this.
She seems to be saying, listen, Trump, you stay out of this.
This has nothing to do with you if there's mortgage fraud or if it's just a clerical error, and let's think about it.
Is it really reasonable that this is some kind of quote clerical error?
It's like basically saying, you know, I'm at the Justice Department as a prosecutor.
I made a legal, I made a series of legal errors.
Really, you're a lawyer.
You're serving in a very high position.
And this is related to your field.
Think about it, the credibility of the Federal Reserve, the Federal Reserve oversees banks.
One of the primary things the banks do is they do mortgages.
They do mortgage lending.
And the Federal Reserve is constantly emphasizing to banks the need for accuracy in mortgage lending applications.
Now, how can you credibly do this when one of your own governors, Lisa Cook, is basically fudging and faking and giving false information on her mortgage applications, by the way, not accidentally, but all to benefit you.
You know, one way you can tell if something is fraud or if something is done with intent.
is simply to look and see if the ball always falls on the same side of the net.
So let's say you make errors in your taxes, but guess what?
Some of those errors benefit you.
Other errors benefit the government.
You end up paying too much because guess what?
You're just sloppy with numbers and you make mistakes.
But let's say you make a series of mistakes in your taxes and all those mistakes benefit you.
Then it's quite clear that these aren't quote mistakes.
You are taking advantage of things you are trying to fudge in your favor.
That's clearly what's going on here.
So is it Trump's job to fire fire Lisa Cook?
I think it is.
I think ultimately Trump will be vindicated in court on this one.
But let's say you take the opposite position.
No, it's not Trump's job to fire her.
That should be done by Jerome Powell.
Well, my point is why hasn't it?
I'm looking right here at the Federal Reserve website and on the Federal Reserve website it lists the board of governors and there it is, Lisa Cook.
And so Jerome Powell is clearly keeping her on.
He's letting the process play itself out.
Now there are some people who say, well, you know, in anocent until proven guilty.
We shouldn't we shouldn't rush to judgement.
We should give someone the benefit of the doubt.
And that does, by the way, apply to the legal process.
So nothing I say is a denial of the principle of innocent until proven guilty, but very often in a sensitive job position, when you are credibly accused of an offense, it is proper that you step out, you step down, you resign.
Now maybe if you're vindicated, you're reappointed and you come back.
But in this case, it seems pretty clear that.
that there is some hanky panky that appears to have gone on.
So you have a constitutional right to a presumption of innocence, but you don't have a constitutional right to remain as a governor of the Federal Reserve.
I think that Jerome Powell would do better to take action himself that would put the matter to rest.
He clearly has the authority to fire her.
He's her boss.
But then of course Trump is also the Federal Reserve, you just have to look up a governmental chart.
They are an agency that is part of the executive branch of the government.
So they are ultimately answerable to Trump.
And so using his discretion as president, he has fired Lisa Cook for cause, and I think he will be vindicated in that judgment.
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Guys, I'm really happy to have in the studio today a good friend and a fellow Texan and a fellow conservative thinker and organizer and activist.
It's Christian Collins.
He's founder of the Texas Youth Summit, which is a nonprofit organization that empowers young people.
I think not just in Texas, but around the country.
Christian has a lot of experience in political organization, public relations, strategic communications.
He has worked with nonprofits, businesses, political campaigns.
By the way, the website texasyouthsummit dot com comma there's a big conference coming up.
We're going to talk about that.
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Christian, welcome.
Great to have you in studio.
It's always a pleasure.
I'd like to talk to you a little bit about the politics of young people today because my impression, and it's only an impression.
As you know, Debbie and I between us, we have two 30-year-olds and a 25-year-old and our son-in-law.
So our sample size is much smaller than yours.
But it looks to me like what's happening with young people is that they're bifurcating in the sense that you have extreme leftists who are pro-Palestine, pro-Hamas.
You've got, you seem to have that kind of ferocious activism on the left.
I haven't seen something like that since, you know, really the late 60s and early 70s.
And on the other hand, it seems like you've got a strong neo traditionalist, also MAGA.
You've got students today who are more conservative than let's say Debbie or I were when we were in the Reagan generation.
In fact, I sometimes hear these young people say, you know, yeah, you guys are boomers and you kind of, you know, you took a very easy going and kind of tolerant attitude toward the left and, you know, no, we operate in a more combat mode.
Give us your kind of 20,000 foot view of how the politics of young people people differ from, let's say, the Ted Cruz generation or a lot of the other people you and I both know in common who are really more from the Reagan era?
Well, I want to speak specifically to the politics of the right, but before I go there, I just want to thank you for all the great work that you do, Dinesh, and I'm honored to be on your show, and thank you for coming to the Texas Youth Summit.
And look, as it relates to our party, President Trump has done so well with young people, and it's credit to maybe his podcast strategy.
Baron Trump and my friend Alex Brucewitz were really leading the effort to.
Uh, to reach out to a lot of these podcasts where younger generations get their news.
And unfortunately for the mainstream media, uh, young people really aren't going to Fox News or CNN or MSNBC and places like that.
They're They're getting their information from these podcasts like yourself, like Joe Rogan, people like that, where they want to get information.
And so President Trump, I don't know if you got to see the fraternity and sorority videos, but a lot of those videos of them talking about their support of President Trump.
And there was a lot of that going on during the campaign and President Trump did remarkably well with young people.
So I just want to say shout out to my friends and great job., President Trump.
Now keeping this coalition together though is going to be very interesting over the course of the next two, four, you know, six, all these different election cycles to see how this all goes about.
Let's start by talking about what it is about Trump that kind of appeals to these young people, because it's one thing to get in front of them, right?
But you could put Kamala Harris in front of them and they might go, Oh my God, I can't listen to this.
Trump is, you know, he's a guy well in his seventy years.
And yet you're saying that he connects well.
What do you think are the two po most important things where young people go?
I like that about this guy.
I think his entrepreneurial spirit.
I think his individualistic type of mentality.
I think that's very appealing to young men.
I think young men really had no place to go with the left because I think there was a group called White Guys for Kamala Harris and those guys seemed a little more feminine.
And I saw a lot of the jokes made online.
I didn't participate in those jokes, but I saw them on X anyway.
Memes made about those on the left who were supporting Kamala Harris.
And if you're a guy, you want to be perceived be masculine, you want to be strong and you want to follow somebody that's that espouses that.
And that's not just true of white guys, that's true of Hispanic guys.
President Trump did incredibly well with Hispanic men and people ask why they voted for him.
Well, they voted for him because he espouses those traditional masculine values, the that ruggedness.
And so I think it's it is about the politics.
I think they do want a more capitalist approach.
I do think that they like the idea of just two genders, male and female.
I think that they really care.
care about the direction of the country as it relates to the wars and their opportunities with the economy.
And I think they care about those things.
But when it comes to looking at A versus B and the type of man you want to be, you want to vote for someone that you see yourself like.
And is part of it also the Trump's anti woke candor.
You know, this guy, he's unfiltered.
Some would say, you know, sometimes occasionally you're like, ah, but other times it's like because he says it like it is, it's such a contrast with almost every other political figure really on both sides of the spectrum because politicians are very used to packaging information.
They wouldn't dream of saying really 60% of the things that Trump says.
I mean, just take a typical Trump post on Truth Social and ask yourself, can I envision a single politician alive who would have posted this?
The answer is almost always no.
No.
Right?
Not even JD Mance.
No.
So there's a certain kind of uniqueness to Trump.
And I guess that's behind what you were saying, which is, you know, will Trumpism last Trump?
You know, we'll see.
I think you're exactly right.
He's totally unique.
I don't think anyone can really mimic what he's done and replicate it.
I don't think others can have the same success just speaking so candidly and honestly and with all caps sometimes and his style.
I don't think that can really be mimicked.
And I think JD Vance is a lot more polished.
And I think the struggle for the Republican Party, but I think there's a lot of opportunity there is to keep this coalition together that he's built.
You got more of the populist MAGA.
That's kind of the new flavor.
You got Steve Bannon and Marjorie Taylor Greene, but you also have traditional Republicans and you can think of people like Tom Cotton and Linda McCarthy.
Lindsey Graham, you know, and then you got another category, you got the Tea Party libertarian approach.
And I know there's some differences between like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, but they are really of the same cloth mostly.
And you got that wing of the party, they really care about the debt and their fiscal hawks.
And then you know, you can go down the line, you got evangelicals, you know, so and then you got, you know, Maha.
So you think of our Kennedy.
And then you got these, you know, Democrats that have switched from the Democratic Party into the Republican Party.
You know, some of those, you know, Tulsa Gabbard fits into that group.
And then you got, you know, the tech bros.
And so you got all these different people, all these different groups that, that build up the Trump coalition.
And somehow he's pulled all these people together to, against all odds, it's a miracle that he's even alive.
And it's a miracle that he won.
And it's God's grace that he's allowed us another four years of peace and to be in the situation that we're in.
But JD Vance has got to keep that coalition together.
And being that he's young, I think he will be able to reach young people.
He's already doing the podcast.
I think he's doing a lot of good work.
And so it'll be interesting to watch.
And part of what you're saying is that that this coalition is not only, it's like sociologically varied, right?
There's just like a chasm of difference.
And Debbie and I notice this all the time.
We're, we're accustomed from an earlier generation to have a certain image of a Republican.
Yeah.
Frankly, someone who looks kinda like you or me, right?
We're clean cut.
Look at your buttoned down shirt, right?
The little buttons here.
You know, you're not wearing khaki pants, but you could be.
Oh, I kinda am.
And yet we'll run into right-wingers today who don't look remotely like us in style, they're completely different.
And then there are also quite apart from, you know, the evangelicals over here, the libertarians over there, you have these ideological differences, at least over certain key issues.
Now, in the past, if you had differences, they were sort of settled this way.
The evangelicals care about abortion.
The libertarians care about lower taxes.
Okay, you libertarians focus on lower taxes.
Don't worry about abortion.
We'll take care of that.
We so it's almost like you parcel out to each side, the foreign policy, neocons, okay, you worry about foreign policy.
But now we have For example, over Israel.
You've got a camp that cares a lot about Israel and they're on one side.
Let's call it the Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, let's say Marjorie Taylor Green's side.
Then you've got another camp that cares just as passionately about Israel, but they're on the other side and they're in the this is inside of the MAGA camp.
How do you keep these groups together?
And I will personalize it by saying, here you are, you're organizing a big youth summit.
You're going to have, I'll have you talk about that in just a moment.
Who's coming?
How do you think this kind of issue can be reconciled on the right?
You know, that's a great question.
And the way that I've tried to approach this hosting the Texas Youth Summit, and that it's a forum for great ideas.
And I think there's a big difference, by the way, with Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, and Marjorie Taylor Greene and those people.
The way that they do it, they're very factual.
They talk about the issues.
There's no conspiracy theories.
They do things very well versus maybe someone like Nick Fuentes who's in a different category.
And I'll say that I don't think that they disavow or dislike Israel., I think that the way that they're approaching it is just, you know, why are we so involved from a foreign policy perspective?
And then you got, you know, you got, you know, more traditional conservatives on the right.
We saw the debate between Ted Cruz and Tucker, and it was very interesting for us to watch.
And Ted, you know, comes from an evangelical perspective, a more traditional Republican view of Israel.
And I think, you know, President Trump having to keep all these coalitions together ultimately has sided with, you know, intervention and supporting Israel.
And he's taken the more traditional Republican view, which also kind of crosses over into the more the evangelical view of supporting Israel, um, because they believe it's biblically the right thing that to do, the evangelicals and the traditional Republicans realize that, you know, that's our greatest ally in the Middle East.
We get so many different intelligence from Israel to kind of stabilize the Middle East the best we can and to know what's going on there.
It's really important, they feel, to continue the American hegemony and protect, you know, what we've, what we've stabilized and built there with all of our allies in Saudi Arabia and Qatar and other places.
And what you're saying is that there's a you're saying that there's a legitimate debate on the right over what is America first in so far as it relates to Israel.
In other words, is it in the American interest for the US to maintain the close tie it's had with Israel?
Are there times when Israeli interests and American interests clash?
And you're saying that we should have it out.
We should engage this debate, not try to shut it down in any way because these are people essentially trying to to clarify what are the country's interests in this situation.
Absolutely.
And I think the Texas Youth Summit and other groups like Turning Point USA, you see all of these speakers go there.
You see Ted Cruz go there.
You see Tucker Carlson and Steve Bannon go there.
And it's a forum for great ideas.
And I, you know, I'm, I don't want to be a carbon copy of Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA, but I can glean from somebody like Charlie who's doing things very well.
He's a very accomplished young man doing an excellent job with Turning Point and the way that he's handled this while supporting Israel, but continuing to keep all of these relationships and having, you know, Turning Point.
turning point be a forum for great ideas, I think is the right approach.
And that's the way that we've tried to do things at the Texas Youth Summit.
And I don't think that I know everything.
And so I definitely want to get to the bottom of this and try to do things the right way.
And I don't think any of us really want a war.
We didn't want a war with Iran.
I know I didn't.
Lindsey Graham might have, but I think the way President Trump helped get us out of that situation, I think it lasted a total of five days.
That's what we want is we want to be, we don't want to be involved there long term the way we were in Afghanistan.
Yeah, I think even Trump recognized that if he had committed troops a la Bush in Iraq, that would have been a whole different thing.
So that we have a seemingly uniquely Trumpian approach that even on Ukraine, where a lot of people are very critical of that war, including Trump, it doesn't appear like Trump's view is okay, we're out.
Trump is constantly entertaining, oh, well, you know, I'll bring this guy over here.
Maybe they'll work out a ceasefire.
So Trump's approach appears to be this needs to stop.
Recently, I heard Trump say something to the effect of, hey, listen, we could maybe give a security guarantee to the, to Ukraine in conjunction with the Europeans.
Now, that's, I'm sure that's not something that Bannon, let's say, wants.
So Trump is not, he's not staying out of it like Pontius Pilate's style.
He's not washing his hands.
He's taking a stance, but you're saying he's still keeping the coalition together.
I think that's right.
Talk about the youth summit.
Who's going to be there?
When is it?
And this is something that's going to be, can people come?
How can they watch?
How can they be part of it??
Well, just wrapping up that point, you know, personally, I do support the Jewish people.
I love that Israel exists.
I definitely don't want to engage America in more foreign policy, you know, wars, you know, that that will just entrap us for generations to come.
And that said, I'm just so honored that to have you there at the Texas Youth Summit.
It's September 19th and 20th in the Woodlands at the Woodlands Waterway Marriott.
It's going to be a great event.
We have Senator Ted Cruz.
We have Attorney General Ken Paxton, Congressman Wesley Hunt.unt, Alibeth Stuckey, we have Yomni Park and Maureen Bannon and so many others.
We're just really excited about some new people that we haven't had before.
Who are the young people who come and how do they come from colleges, from schools?
How do you sign them up?
Because you've been doing this now for how many years?
This is our seventh conference, so we've been doing it over six years.
And they come from, you know, Christian, private, public schools.
They come from home school groups.
So they come from different organizations.
We don't have chapters, but I'm speaking this week at the Young American Foundation's chapter at Texas A and M. I work with the Turning Point groups, work with the College Republicans, the Young Conservatives of Texas.
So all of those groups support us, but I work outside of those groups, pro-life groups.
And we have a lot of churches that support us throughout the Houston area and send youth groups.
And I think it's important that young people have a foundation for what they believe.
And some of them may call themselves Christian, like I did.
I came from a minister's home.
My dad was a pastor.
But I didn't have a Christian worldview.
And so when I went off to college, there was a time where I felt that I was agnostic.
Maybe a Democrat, I was leaning towards voting for Barack Obama just because I liked the idea of a black president.
And I was going to the Democrat club for a while and that was, that was my first year in college.
And so how did I, how did I go from being in a minister's home to, you know, getting to that point, you know, but a lot of the Democrats, you know, there, they weren't, you know, crazy leftists.
They were just very nice people and they were liberal, not leftists.
And I had a wonderful liberal teacher, you know, who showed us Michael Moore videos.
It's kind of like the opposite of who you are.
Well, I mean, I think it shows you that, you know, there's an age.
seventeen, eighteen, when you're stepping out of home for the first time, you're suddenly realizing that all the things that your parents taught you, you now have to evaluate for yourself.
You have to sort of take ownership of it, right?
And you're in an environment that is defined as learning, so that you've got professors who admittedly know a lot more than you do.
And so you're open probably to changing your mind far more than at almost any other time in life because you're suddenly aware of the gulf of knowledge that separates you from this whole academic way of thinking.
I think the problem is for a lot of professors who are very ideological, they take advantage of that.
Because they realize I'm going to make the, you know, I'm going to make the left-wing point of view seem sophisticated and the conservative point of view seem dumb.
So that I'm going to make young people believe that the only reason that they think these things is because they've been indoctrinated by their parents.
And that I, Professor X, I'm actually going to assist in their deprogramming so that they can truly become a liberated human being.
There's a lot of this kind of thing going on., I think, for quite a long time.
So your Youth Summit is like a necessary, it's a small but necessary antidote to all that.
Guys, the website is texasouth summit dot com.
Follow Christian on X at Collins for Texas, meaning TX.
I've been talking to Christian Collins, founder and president of the Texas Youth Summit.
Christian, always a pleasure.
Thanks for joining me.
And here's to a great event.
I'm looking forward to being part of it.
Thank you so much for having me, Dish.
Looks forward to seeing you there.
Good stuff.
Yeah.
Thank you.
After completing my discussion of Ronald Reagan how an ordinary man became an extraordinary leader.
Debbie and I were just brainstorming about what should I do next?
I was thinking about possibly doing something on Lincoln.
There's a marvelous biography of Lincoln by Lord Charnwood.
This is a British lord, believe it or not, writing about Lincoln.
You think a very odd person to do that, but it's a very insightful and beautifully written biography.
But I mention it only to recommend it to you.
I'm not going to be doing that next because Debbie goes well, well, she goes, why don't you return to Christian apologetics?
And it's just a nice complement to the political stuff that I talk about day in and day out.
And so we decided I'll take up one of my other Christian apologetics books.
I've done three.
So what's so great about Christianity?
I've already talked about that one.
I'm going to start talking about the next one, which is called Life After Death The Evidence.
Kind of a heck of a title, even if I say so myself.
Why?
Because the natural question is what evidence?
Life after death appears to be one of those.
things that we can't know anything about.
And yet it's something that we have to wrestle with, not only in our own case, what happens after I die, kind of one of those huge and pressing questions.
If you think about some of the most fundamental questions we could possibly ask just as we become self aware and thoughtful about ourselves and the world, first is, you know, like how'd the world get here?
How did we get a world?
Second of all, how did I get here?
Like what's my what am I doing?
here?
What's my purpose, if any?
And finally, what happens after?
Life is short.
It has a starting point and it has an end point.
Oddly enough, the starting points, the early stages of life and the very last stages of life weirdly resemble each other in certain respects.
You're feeble, you're more helpless, you're dependent on others, you can't walk very well.
And then what?
You have death, but is death really the last word?
Or is there something beyond?
And if so, what?
Now, traditionally people have thought about these things through the lens of faith.
And I believe, I have faith that I will live on after death.
And the source of that faith is very typically religion.
Now, weirdly, it's not exclusively or always religion, as we'll actually see.
There are people who are not conventionally religious in any sense.
Think of a guy like Socrates.
Socrates is coming out of pre Christian Greece, living around 500, the 5th century, Q.C. And Socrates believes in life after death, but he believes in life after death solely based upon philosophical reasoning.
In fact, a very simple and yet very hard to refute kind of justification for why a certain part of us, Socrates doesn't hesitate to say the soul, lives on after death.
But mostly people who believe believe because of religious reasons.
The question that I'm going to be discussing here is, is that faith reasonable?
Is that faith a faith that is supported by knowledge?
And by knowledge here, I mean knowledge in a whole bunch of different areas.
One of the things about this book, I think you'll find exciting and eye-opening, is it is going to be a, well, kind of a tour d'Orizon, which is a kind of a tour of the horizon of a bunch of different fields.
You'll learn some history, you'll learn some philosophy, you'll learn something about brain science, you'll learn something about physics and astronomy.
And you might say, well, heck, Dinesha, how do you know about all these things?
And that's because I am truly all knowing.
No, I'm just kidding.
I did that purely for a reaction from Debbie.
No, it is, it has been a, you know, it's a passion of my life to dive into these different fields, not simply due to an interest in and of itself, but because of my interest.
of itself, but to try to excavate things out of them that cast a light on these types of big questions.
That's really my motive.
I don't study philosophy, for example, to say, like, what did Schopenhauer think about ethics?
By itself, who cares?
It's really more like, this is a very interesting moral dilemma.
Now let me look and see if there are people smarter than me who've lived a long time ago who have already, you know, I'm framing questions, but there are other people who've already been there.
They've thought about these questions.
They've come up with answers.
They have anticipated objections to those answers.
They have replied to those objections.
Those are the people I actually want to consult.
Why?
Because they help me go beyond ordinary experience.
And this is really what learning is all about.
By and large, our experience in life is absurdly narrow and limited.
And so as a result, our circumference of knowledge is confined to that.
And so if you want to go beyond that, you want to consult a much wider body of not only experience, but of reflection.
There are people who have devoted their whole life to considering one single point.
Think of a guy like Einsteinin who's basically has a single problem or a single question, in Einstein's case, of course, it has to do with light.
It has to do with Einstein constructs all these thought experiments.
By the way, I'm mentioning Einstein because he's relevant to what we're going to talk about in this book, the book, by the way, Life After Death, the Evidence.
Einstein will pose a question like, if I have a light meter and I measure the speed of light, I'm going to get a certain number.
But what if I was on a spaceship riding alongside that light beam?
And now I measure the speed of light from the spaceship?
space ship, what number am I going to get?
And is it going to be the same number as if I were standing, let's say, on the sidewalk while a light beam flashes right, right by me?
This is the kind of question you might ask, why would you ask such a question?
It turns out that asking a single question like this and giving the correct answer really changes your outlook on the physical world.
So this is a book that deals with the question, which is, is there life after death?
What is it like?
What can we reasonably think about it?
But it does so in a, if I may say so, in a secular way., what I mean is not that I'm not interested in the Bible, I'm not interested in Revelation.
I would put it this way.
A secular examination of these issues from my point of view means that the Bible is not the starting point of the inquiry, but it's the end point.
And what I mean by that is I want to show that through an examination of history, of cosmology, of physics, of brain science, looking at whatever we can know and learn about life after death, we come to conclusions that are.
incredibly consistent with or congruent with the statements in the Bible.
And I'll I have an introduction in this book by Rick Warren, and when I pick up on this tomorrow, I'm actually going to go through Rick Warren's introduction because it covers some of the key themes and what the book is trying to do.
But I'll leave you today with just a few of the comments on the back of the book, which I think you'll find pretty amusing.
This is Stephen Barr, professor of particle physics at the University of Delaware, a delightfully readable book on a subject of surpassing importance.
I found myself constantly amazed at the clear and accessible way in which Dessouza writes about such deep and subtle questions, drawing upon his broad knowledge of the latest discoveries in fields as diverse as cosmology and neuroscience.
He makes a powerful case for life after death.
I mention this because Barr is in fact a leading physicist and to have him, it's a way of saying Dinesh actually does know what he's writing about.
He's covering territory in a thoroughly respectable way.
Here's the philosopher Daniel Robinson, philosophy faculty Oxford University.
It's always a pleasure to read works by Dinesh Dessouza.
Life After Death is no exception.
The author guides the reader gently.
I emphasize the word gently.
This is not like heavy lifting through the thickets of philosophy, physics, brain science toward his stunning conclusion that is made to seem entirely reasonable because it is reasonable.
Then we have Deepak Chopra.
Yes, some of you may go, That cook, why did you have him?
Well, I had him basically because he's also Indian.
No, I'm actually not that's not the reason.
I just thought it'd be interesting to have a guy who's more in the non Christian, somewhat new age zone, just to throw the potential reader off and say hey listen I'm getting some rather surprising figures writing not only for the religious believer but also for the honest seeker.
The Neshtazuza displays a sophisticated understanding of religion, philosophy, history and science in making a convincing case for life after death.
And finally, this is my old debating partner now sadly dead, Christopher Hitchens, author of God is not great, prominent atheist along with Richard Dawkins, probably one of the two leading atheists in the country in the past generation.
And here Hitchens, he likes to do a blurb that is a bit of a double entendre.
But nevertheless, the blurb is surprising to have because he's recommending the book.
Never one to be daunted by attempting the impossible.
So here's Hitchens kind of winking at me as if to say, Dinesh, you're attempting to do something that's impossible to do.
Dinesh Jasuza here shows again the argumentative skills that made him such a formidable opponent.
So Hitchens has told many people that I was the toughest person he ever debated.
I think the reason that he said that is a number of times after our debates we would have a vote on the part of the audience.
And I think it's probably fair to say that about five times to one I was the winner of those exchanges.
Now, of course, he could say, well, the audience was already biased in your favor.
And so we can't make too much of those sorts of things.
But nevertheless, it was a highlight of those years for me to have these debates, many of them, some of them in museums and other public facilities, but most of them on the university campus.
So this gives you an idea of the kind of a range of recommendations of this book.
It's one of my most ambitious books.
And I will say that as I started researching it, I realized there's almost nothing.
out there on this subject.
There are some people who write about near-death experiences, and there are some books about that.
I died and lived to tell the tale.
I'll go into that.
But in terms of comprehensively trying to answer the question, is there life after death?
Well, this book right here is pretty much the only serious attempt to answer that question.
So I recommend getting it.
In fact, Debbie, who lost her mom this year, was this year?
It was actually last year.
In fact, we just had the year anniversary in July.
This is a rarity for Debbie's like, I'm actually going to bring my copy of Life After Death and follow along as you.
So this is a this is the first.
Normally while I'm talking, Debbie's like watching videos.
She's like doing something else, like, oh yeah, scrolling, you know, through Instagram.
No, no, actually no, she does, she does pay attention, but she doesn't normally tote her book.
So this is going beyond what I think shows her interest in a topic, a topic that obviously engages us all.
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