Dinesh D'Souza - A WINDOW INTO HIS SOUL Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1153

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A WINDOW INTO HIS SOUL Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1153

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	Coming up, it's time for Debbie and I to do our Friday roundup.
	And we've got a bunch of fascinating stuff.
	This episode is called A Window into His Soul, which we mean Obama's Soul.
	So we're going to be starting on a very black note.
	Let me just call it.
	Let me just say that.
	We're going to talk about Obama's library, Trump's role in brokering peace.
	in Ukraine, what's wrong with mail in ballots, whether AI is demonic, that should be interesting, and whether it's time for Christians to sign up for a new Crusade.
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	It's time for our Friday roundup, but we need to begin on a piece of, well, I don't know if it's right to call it sad news because we are talking about the passing of an eminent Christian leader.
	This is doctor James Dobson.
	He was the founder of Focus on the Family.
	Massive ministry, he lived an impeccable life, by the way, in an age of scandal, not a hint of scandal surrounding this man.
	And we got to know him quite well.
	Yeah, we did.
	We did.
	It was nice.
	We went, I want to say, maybe three years ago to Colorado Springs, to one of his events, and we got to have lunch with him and a few other people.
	And I'll never forget what he said.
	And he was actually talking about Charlie Kirk.
	For some reason, Charlie's name came up.
	Yeah.
	And he said, You know, I told Charlie, you know, I get that you want to go all over the place and you want to talk to young kids and all of that, but you have kids at home and you need to be with them.
	Interesting.
	So in other words, here is a guy who's not just not just elevating the idea of the family.
	His point is it's important to devote yourself to your own family.
	Put your own family first.
	When we talk about this and of course both of us have raised families.
	Obviously we now have kids.
	who are getting to that age.
	Danielle, of course, is already married.
	And the need to create priorities.
	And it's not easy to do.
	And it's what we talk also about you have a congressman in the family, you are halfway in DC, also in back and forth from DC to Texas, but you're saying that Dobson had the awareness of the fact that even though we're all busy and even though we all try to build up these big careers, keep your priorities straight.
	That's right.
	And he did, himself.
	He did, yeah.
	I'll never forget that.
	He was a really nice man.
	He'll be greatly missed.
	USA Today, the headline says James Dobson dies leaving legacy as influential at times controversial Christian leader.
	Isn't that amazing?
	Now, you know, if you could have some leftist, you know, who passes away and they won't say any of that, even though this guy's had a much more checkered career, in the case of Dobson, where's the what are the things that he stood for that are controversial?
	He's pro life.
	Yes.
	He is probably believes in marriariage is between a man and a woman.
	Yes.
	He probably also believes that men cannot become women or vice versa.
	That's right.
	That nature, you're, we come into the world not as kind of generic human beings, but as male or female, and it's one or the other.
	And so all this is, it's really more revealing of the people who write the articles.
	Exactly, they live in a, they live in a Moulin Rouge world.
	Yeah, and in their world, this is a controversial thing to say.
	In their world, abortion is nothing more than healthcare in their world.
	Right.
	Right.
	In their world, you know, LGBTQ plus rights are more important than heterosexual rights.
	The tech, you know, think of the technique of the left in all these cases.
	They take an issue where, which is controversial is not the right word for it.
	Their position is downright outlandish and bizarre.
	Yes, but yes, but they want to normalize that and make the position of the biblical position, the moral position, the wrong position.
	Yeah, they want to make the normal into the abnormal and they want to make the abnormal into the normal.
	So it's a it's a kind of a moral swap.
	That's right.
	So to speak.
	All right, let's talk about one of our least favorite people and and deservedly so.
	You know, when you say it's some of my least favorite people, people think you're expressing some eccentric point of view, but we're actually talking about a very loathsome figure, which is and it's so telling.
	You and I looked at the image of the Obama Presidential Library.
	Now apparently this Presidential Library, which was budgeted at something like three hundred million dollars, as it is an outrageous sum.
	Ow.
	No, no.
	It's heading for a cost of one billion dollars.
	Right.
	And when you look at it, it looks like people put one garbage dump on top of another, right?
	The thing is a monstrosity.
	Yeah.
	And you jokingly said, you know, it looks like Obama, but what I said was it's not just that it does resemble Obama, but not in the outward sense.
	It's almost like Obama brought all his people together and said, listen, I don't just want a librbrary that's a reflection of the true me.
	My heart, yeah.
	I want a library that captures my heart and my soul.
	And basically his people looked at each other and said, let's go for the garbage dump.
	Right?
	Because that's what Obai is rotten on the inside.
	And think about it, $300 million?
	Oh, you know, he shook down every guilt-ridden billionaire that he could find.
	You know, gave him his Is that what you said?
	I said it was budgeted at $300 million.
	But it's going to be a billion, right?
	So it's going to go over a billion.
	The man of the people.
	The man of the little guy is going to have a one billion dollar monstrosity.
	Honey, the only little guy Obama has are the people who work in his kitchen.
	The last time you saw a little guy, the little guy was the little guy was drowning in the ocean right out of Obama's house, right?
	Remember that guy?
	The little guy?
	I remember that guy.
	Yeah, that guy.
	So little guys are not No, I mean, since Obama left the presidency, who has he hobnobbed with?
	You know, Reed Hastings with Netflix, right?
	He's hobnobbed with Hollywood.
	You know, he's he lives in a rarefied world.
	He's an elitist.
	He's a complete by every sense of the word.
	Yes, but in the worst sense of the word.
	Because there is a sense of elitism which I endorse.
	He's not a true royalty.
	He's not true, you know.
	Well, the pedigree.
	The true elitist is, I would call it, a natural aristocrat as opposed to a conventional aristocrat.
	So what's the difference?
	Well, a natural aristocrat is naturally elegant, is naturally above the fray, has elevated tastes in art, in literature, someone who is in that sense superior, but superior not by pretense, not by preening, not by showing off., but by actually being better.
	A conventional aristocrat is someone who is like my father's a count and so I'm a count.
	So you get your position by virtue of birth.
	It has nothing to do with your character or who you are or what you do or what you've accomplished.
	So Obama's a conventional aristocrat.
	And by conventional what I mean is he has wormed his way really from the bottom of the barrel.
	His dad was also a fraud like him.
	I don't know if I've told you this, but his dad was a relatively mid level economist in Kenya.
	And what he would do, he'd hear that there's like a meeting of the World Bank.
	So his dad would show up, right?
	And say, I'm the vice president of the World Bank.
	Oh yeah, no.
	And they would let him in and then thirty minutes later, the actual vice president of the World Bank would show up and then they'd have to find Barack Obama's son.
	You shouldn't.
	And show him out.
	I created this in Obama.
	Right, I really should.
	You know, I knew about it.
	Somehow it slipped.
	It ended up on the cutting room floor.
	But it would have been great.
	Would have been great.
	Yeah, this guy was an imposter and a fraud.
	Now his son is also an imposter and a fraud.
	Although of a somewhat more ductile or slippery variety, he doesn't he doesn't do stuff that is this obvious or over the top.
	He does it through character impersonation.
	That's Obama.
	Yeah, no, and not to mention, I showed you a viral video, Instagram video of a girl, African American girl, who was saying, you know, when Obama, when he first came on the scene, I thought he was the coolest dude ever.
	And she goes, and now I think he's the most corrupt president we've ever had.
	And she showed all these things that he did during his presidency and it's like a blizzard of snapshots.
	Snapshots of Benghazi and the cover up and the going after conservatives and drones.
	He has killed all of these spies on him.
	All of all he's of course she could add to it because more recently his active role in that wasn't even on the list.
	And so you could you could definitely add to it.
	But yeah, he's a really bad person.
	And you know, a lot of people saw through him then.
	I did.
	I saw through him before he even ran for president.
	Right.
	You know, I, you know, I can't say that I saw through him at the outset.
	I think you were quicker on the dr draw than I was because when I first saw him, I thought, you know, this guy sounds like more of a centrist.
	In fact, when he was elected in 2008, I thought to myself, I've been so focused on 911, I've been writing books like The Enemy at Home.
	I said, let me take a break from this political energetic involvement.
	And I wrote three books on apologetics.
	What's so great about Christianity?
	I think 2009, Life After Death, 2010, and then God Forsaken, which is about God and suffering.
	So it's almost like I took a sabbatical in Obama's first term.
	But I noticed little things that caught my eye.
	And then I kind of pivoted right back in.
	I wrote my book, The Roots of Obama's Rage.
	I made my first film, the 2016 Obama's America, which is worth watching now.
	You know why?
	Because it's one thing to have watched it then.
	There was, of course, even some conservatives were like, is this the real Obama, Dinesh?
	Are you saying that he's he breathes the spirit and soul of Africa and he's not a civil rights guy?
	But I think now we really all know that that's true.
	And so there's a little bit of that deja vu in going back and seeing that the film, like, nailed it.
	Nailed him.
	Nailed him.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Let's talk about these shooting incidents in Texas.
	Well, it's basically Texas ICE.
	Yeah.
	Shooting suspects were tied to the far left anarchist group that formed during the 2020 BLM protests.
	So all of these leftists that support the BLM movement, probably even going prior to that, remember, Occupy Wall Street, probably the same characters from that.
	Yeah.
	Very left-wing.
	What these people do is they glom on to causes that seem mainstream.
	So for example, everybody had seen the George Floyd video, a lot of corporations were like, this is horrible, we need to donate to these causes.
	So then these guys all show up with the collection plate, and you think you're giving to some innocent group of activists who have just been stimulated and mobilized into outrage because of the George Floyd video.
	No, they're these are lawless thugs, a lot of them.
	They are.
	They use opportunistically these issues very often to make money themselves to profit from them.
	And then at other times, their violent side comes out.
	So here they are attacking ICE officials, right?
	Yeah.
	And look, I mean, I think the government should come down on these people hard.
	Are they doing that?
	Are they killing them?
	They were arrested, you know, of course.
	These are people that are, you know, the agitators, the activists, you know, BLM.
	They initially focused on social justice demonstrations, but have since turned their focus on ICE enforcement.
	I mean, if you think about it., how weird is that?
	Well, it's not weird from the framework of the left.
	Right, because look at it this way.
	To them, the police are the thugs, right?
	And the thugs are the good guys.
	So in the George Floyd framework, their enemies were white supremacy and the police, right?
	And Derek Schauban kind of epitomized both.
	But now, the focus has shifted.
	Now their heroes are the illegals, and particularly the criminal illegals.
	The criminals.
	And the villains is ICE.
	That's right.
	Ice stands in now for the police.
	So for these people, it's not a big intellectual shift.
	It's the same sensibility, but just now deflected away from the cops to Ice.
	To Ice.
	Get this, two of the ten arrested were transgender.
	Yeah, well, we're seeing this phenomenon, we saw it with the shooting, was it in the Atlanta shooting?
	The transgender shooter, what was her name?
	Audrey Hale, I believe it was.
	There have been a number of these incidents.
	Look, when people are all messed up on the inside, I mean a violent streak can easily kind of become grafted onto that, right?
	Absolutely.
	Because you're dealing with twisted individuals and so the twistedness of criminality essentially blends with the twistedness of identity.
	The two kind of go together.
	All right.
	Is AI demonic?
	Now this topic came up with us in a very funny way.
	So talk about how we I've talked about AI and I talked recently earlier this week about AI and its impact on jobs.
	But we had a direct experience of AI.
	Actually, courtesy courtesy of you.
	Both of us spotted these self-ddriving vehicles.
	Yeah, we didn't know we didn't know what they were at first.
	We were walking And we saw like two of them in a row.
	And I go, oh no, those are the Google cars.
	Well, I had the Google right because they are Google cars.
	But, you know, there's a Google car that is the Google car that does the maps, the streets.
	And, you know, when you can click on the map and see, you know, it says, see the image, you can see the house, you can see the building, the establishment.
	So I thought that's what it was.
	And then upon looking closer, we realized that they didn't have anyone driving.
	Now, in fairness, these cars are super ugly.
	They are.
	Because they've got, they're Jaguars., but they've got this peculiar, Martian looking camera equipment on top of the car.
	So they look weird.
	But of course, the most striking thing about them is they don't have a driver.
	Not something we're used to in our adult lifetime.
	And you're like, Hey, honey, we have dinner coming up tonight.
	Let's try it.
	Why don't we take one of these Wimers, right?
	Well, yeah.
	And especially because we were staying at a hotel and the restaurant we were going to was half a mile away.
	But because it was evening, I didn't want, you know, and I had heels on, I didn't want to walk and walk back because I thought that would be a little dysfunny.
	So not to mention a city we don't go to.
	So I was like, what if we try this car going there?
	And we created quite a stir, even though there's apparently a couple of hundred of them in LA, people aren't used to seeing them.
	So when we got out of the car, I noticed that a number of people on the street did like the big double take, and a couple of people were even taking photos because it's probably the first customers they've seen of these driverless cars.
	But what is powering these cars is, of course, AI.
	And you were saying to me something that I hadn't really thought of, which is quite apart from the obvious promise and also obvious risks of AI, right?
	I mean, remember the movie The Terminator, the machines take over, you raised and you've heard it from more than one person about AI maybe being like demonic or AI signaling like the last day.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, one of our one of the members of our family, and I won't say who, you know, that it might be demonic and that it's not good, it's not of God, all those things.
	And I said, well, I don't think we can stop it.
	And, you know, this person said, we need to stop it.
	We need to stop AI.?
	I mean, it's it's you know, it's already left the barn, right?
	I mean, we can't stop AI.
	No, I mean, one of the things we know about technology is that when something presents itself as a new way of doing something, people are going to immediately ask, Is this going to make it easier for me to get from here to there?
	And get from here to there refers to any task you want to do.
	So think of the, you know, the computer, which actually I resisted, as you know, I've told you about it.
	I still kind of do.
	I still kind of do.
	You should see our house.
	The dining room, my office, one of the bedrooms, his office, the kitchen island, the are you say the kitchen island or the island kitchen?
	No, no, the kitchen island.
	The kitchen island.
	The kitchen island.
	And a couple of other places.
	And a couple of other places.
	Well, what it is, is that I find it incomprehensible that someone can do any writing where they've got all these windows in the computer, all storing data, and somehow be able to sum it up.
	I just can't do that.
	Maybe it's purely a function.
	I'm in that sense very low-tech.
	I mean, our movies are high-tech.
	Our new movie has AI in it.
	AI in it, yeah.
	But the point I'm trying to make is that at some point it occurs to you and me that the computer is just an easier way to compose than a typewriter.
	You can delete things, you can move whole paragraphs, the savings of time and effort is so great.
	Similarly, the internet, similarly the portability, the iPhone does a lot of things, but I think its most important feature is its portability.
	You can stick it in your pocket, right in your purse.
	And so similarly with AI, when somebody realizes, you know, I need to compose a legal brief, and yes, I can go over it, or I have a question.
	about my will.
	All you have to do is Ask AI a question, it will draw on legal authorities, a state planning case.
	And really fast.
	Extremely fast.
	Really fast.
	So that is a tide that is irresistible.
	I think you're right about that.
	And I also mentioned the other day, I said, well, you know, like we got in a driverless taxi.
	Well, what if we get in a pilotless?
	Pilotless airplane.
	What if AI takes over the airplanes?
	And it's all, you know, they do call it autopilot, but like really, really autopilot.
	Like a pilot that takes off.
	I mean, every airplane today has.
	two pilots and they so we don't have pilotless planes.
	We do have pilotless spacecraft and drones, but I don't think that pilotless planes is all that far off.
	And I think that the AI is robust.
	It's one thing to get in a car and go somewhere like half a mile away.
	It's a whole other thing to get on a plane and go thousands of feet up in the air with, yeah, what if something goes wrong?
	I mean, but you know something?
	Let me tell you this.
	I think that the, let's call it the step of faith to get into a plane at all.
	is far greater.
	Actually, today, just today I saw that a an airplane at 737, I guess it was Delta Airlines, that as they were landing, the plane had a lot of turbulence and everybody was like, what's going on?
	And then somebody opens their window, part of the wing was broken.
	And it blown off?
	Yes.
	Oh my God.
	Broken.
	And so they managed to land, they're all okay, but oh, Delta Airlines apologized and said that the airplane is now out of circulation and is being fixed..
	Oh, it's nice to know they're going to put that part of the wing back.
	I mean, they could have decided just to let it go, kinda like sometimes we see these cars that are patched up with a bunch of tape.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I think that's anyway, just one thing after another, after another with these airplanes.
	And as you know, we're traveling, we're going out of the country in a couple of weeks and we're going, you know, we're going to take a little vacation next week and we have to fly.
	I mean, so.
	I think flying is still is still safe, but there have been a surprising number of incidents.
	Let's pivot it back to AI though, because we Okay, so we're in these Waymoes.
	Yeah.
	And we go to a new restaurant in LA.
	And well, I don't see any reason not to mention the restaurant.
	It's called Cut.
	Yes.
	Cut.
	And it's by Wolfgang Puck.
	Yes.
	Now, interestingly, I know of Wolfgang Puck because every time you're in an airport, you have these Wolfgang Puck pizzerias.
	And they're pretty good pizza.
	They're better than the typical type of airline food.
	But I always thought it was kind of strange.
	You got this German guy, Wolf, but he's a pizza guy.
	He's Austrian.
	It turns out he's Austrian.
	So, but he has one of his flagship restaurants.
	He has one in Singapore apparently, one in LA.
	You and I are kind of like, and he had Spago in it.
	Yeah, Spago's in LA.
	Which used to be Michelin star, but apparently no longer is.
	But this one is Michelin star.
	Right.
	So we read about this place and we're like, let's try it.
	Yeah.
	And it's in the Beverly Wilshire Hotel.
	So we go to, we take the Waymo and we go there.
	And these restaurants, it's kind of funny because the, the, the atmosphere, the ambiance is very casual in, in cut.
	It almost looks like a kind of diner.
	A little bit.
	Now the food, top notch.
	Oh my God.
	Top notch.
	Incredible.
	But we're in, we're in Wolfgang Pucks.
	And of course the ridiculous Maitre D shows up and they and I always think, what is the point of a Maititre D?
	Hello, hello, you know, how are you enjoying your meal?
	Well, if there's anything we can do, I suppose restaurants need this.
	Maybe it's part of just adding to the air and the milieu of it.
	So anyway, the Maitre D marches off.
	And then apparently a second Maitre D, this older guy, goes, hello, hello.
	And hold on.
	So I shake his hand, you shake his hand and you say something like, I love your food.
	I love your food.
	And then I look at you like, he doesn't make the food.
	And you're like, That's Wolfgang Puck.
	I'm like, wait, Wolfgang Puck, the actual Wolfgang.
	And it turns out, yes, it is him.
	No, I I knew it was him.
	I was like, well, you knew what he looked like, Surprisingly.
	But I was just in shock because the funny thing is that while we were there, as you say, several people came up to us.
	Oh, yeah.
	How are you doing?
	How's your meal?
	Two Maitre D, I believe.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Two different ones.
	Then we had a waiter, then we had the bus, the bus boy and all those things.
	And we started talking about Wolfgang Puck, like, like, like, well, do you think that he actually cooks this food, this food?
	Do you think he is at his restaurant?
	Well, let's see.
	When you have a kind of one of these global chefs and they have multiple restaurants, the question is, what is their relationship to a restaurant?
	Are they physically present?
	Is it the people that they trained?
	This is why I was a little because I know.
	Well, I was shocked too.
	Because I look up and I'm like, oh my goodness.
	It's well, it turns out he's a really nice guy.
	Really nice.
	Very, he's quite unassuming.
	Oh my goodness.
	And he went to every single table.
	He went to every table, not just handshaked, some people want to take photos with them.
	We didn't, but others did.
	And he, it looks like is a somewhat not some times of the year when he's in LA.
	He's customary does this.
	That's right.
	You would have thought that one of the people that came to our table would have said, by the way, you'll have a great, a nice treat later on because Mr. Wolfgang Puck himself is here.
	He's going to come and greet it.
	But the staff treated like it's a non-event.
	Like it's nothing.
	They never mentioned it.
	They never mentioned it.
	And then when we mentioned it, they kind of like roll their eyes like, oh, yeah, he loves it.
	Once in a while he stopped by.
	You know, but no big deal.
	And so we thought it was really funny.
	And then we take the Waymo back and that was fun, too.
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	Let's talk about we got a lot more to cover and not all that much time to do it.
	So we're going to speed it up.
	You and I both watched a kind of heartbreaking video.
	This is from the sentencing of the two Muslims from Iraq, Ali and Ali, and the video that we watched was of their daughter.
	And now the daughter evidently did not testify in the trial.
	She had a statement that her boyfriend read, but she did testify in the sentence.
	Now I will say that until now, until I saw that video., my view about the parents was uncertain.
	And by that I mean, I thought, you know, they're obviously, you know, they're obviously furious at their daughter.
	The dad was in a clear rage in the video where he jumps on the girl and basically brings her to the ground and is choking her and has to be pulled away but it wasn't clear to me that he actually wanted to kill her which is of course what the charge was right attempted murder but I will say that listening to the daughter I was quite jolted because well I mean I don't it's not that I'd followed the trial that closely,
	but she said in no ambiguous terms, my dad was trying to kill me.
	And just that statement really hit me.
	And she called him a monster.
	And she said, right, she said, They think I'm a monster, but they're the real monsters.
	And she actually meant both parents.
	Well, you know, he got twenty months in jail, in prison.
	Yeah.
	And he got an additional one hundred eighty two days for the for assaulting her boyfriend Isaiah.
	Yeah.
	He also has to take a parenting class and he can't come into contact with his daughter for ten years.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	Yes, but the problem is again, they're treating this like he's just a bad dad.
	You know, like he it's they don't get it, they don't get it.
	They don't understand this religion, they don't understand this punishment that this religion condones.
	And so yeah, I mean, you can sentence him for however long you want and tell him not to contact her, but you know, this doesn't solve the problem at all.
	It's almost like I think what you're saying is she thinks she thinks you think I'm a disgusting human being well I think you're a disgusting monster.
	She called him a disgusting monster.
	How can you call yourself a father?
	You tried to kill me.
	My dad tried to kill me with his own hands.
	Do you have no love for me?
	I know you were smiling when you choked me.
	I'm going to pray for you to stay in jail and die.
	I mean this was like this is watching a domestic train wreck, all right?
	But I think the point you're making here is very important point is that there is an underlying ideology, and if you don't bring that out, you're losing the meaning of what's happening.
	It's kind of like this.
	You know, Salman Rashdi was targeted for assassination, really, for two reasons.
	It wasn't just that he had written a novel mocking the Prophet Muhammad.
	It was that he was a Muslim.
	He was someone born a Muslim who did that.
	So in other words, in Islam, and certainly by the interpretation of the radical Muslims, apostasy is not permitted.
	You can't leave the faith.
	And if you do, it's okay to kill you, right?
	Now imagine if you listen to the Rushdie case and you don't know anything of this.
	And you just think, well, obviously he upset some Muslims and they tried to kill him.
	It misses the point that those Muslims believe that they are acting out of religious duty.
	Those Muslims think that they are doing something noble.
	I mean, look at the son of Hamas.
	Look at the son of Hamas.
	We're talking here about Mossab Hassan Youssef.
	By the way, he's agreed to come on the podcast, which is itself an adventure because we had him booked to come on the podcast.
	and some security issue.
	Now, why does he have a security issue?
	It's not just because the Muslims want to kill him.
	His own father has put a fatwa.
	An assassination on his own son.
	Again, he's the eldest son.
	And the father wants to have him killed.
	Now, the father is one of the five shaykhs who founded Hamas.
	And the son is not only broken with Hamas.
	I mean, you are the one who told me this.
	And then I ordered his book, which I read.
	It's a very powerful book, by the way.
	This is what I want to talk to him about on the podcast.
	His book is called he reveals how he became a Christian.
	And that story itself, think about it, the journey from Hamas to Christianity, I mean, that is a heresy from the Muslim point of view, far bigger than Rashdi.
	Rashdi just became a secular guide.
	And frankly, a lot of Muslims are secular, right?
	Think of all the Iranians who live in LA.
	They're Muslim ostensibly, but they're really secular.
	The journey into a professed and sincere Christianity, that's So this guy is a very remarkable person.
	Yeah, but can you imagine going through life, having to look over your shoulder, having to have security everywhere you go, I mean, I can't even imagine.
	I mean, that's exactly the bravery of it, of taking that stance.
	All right, let's talk about, oh, this was an idea that you had, which is really wild, which is the idea of a, well, let's call it a fifth crusade.
	I say a fifth crusade because yes.
	Let's give a little bit of history here.
	We all know about the crusades.
	It turns out there were four crusades.
	The first crusade was in ten ninety nine, when the Pope called on the knights of Europe, a lot of them Frankish and Germanic knights.
	who at their own expense, by the way, assembled armies, about forty thousand knights.
	I mean, this was a huge army in the ancient world, and they marched all the way from Europe to Jerusalem, and they captured the Holy Land.
	This was the first crusade, a resounding success, by the way, and for everyone thinks the crusades were evil, it's all nonsense.
	The crusades got misguided with the second and third and fourth crusade, but they got misguided on account of corruption, not on account of the fundamental misguidedness of the Senephalics, not at all.
	Right.
	But we were talking about the systematic murder of Christians in Africa, other parts of the Middle East, and this is done by radical Muslims.
	That's right.
	And I was saying that, you know, who comes to the defense of these Christians?
	Yeah.
	And you're saying no one does.
	No one does.
	Right?
	Christians in Syria get butchered.
	I mean, look at all the massive, you know, oceans of tears shed over like three guys from Gaza, right?
	All you have to do is show a picture of a starving kid from Gaza.
	Everyone goes, oh, this is horrible genocide.
	No.
	On the other hand, 150 Christians are decapitated in Syria.
	Not a word about it in the media.
	Women raped, like brutalized.
	Brutalized.
	And you can see why.
	Because the look, first of all, in the case of Gaza, the elected government of Gaza, Hamas, they haven't had an election for a while, but when the last time they had it, they elected Hamas.
	That's right.
	Hamas did the strike on Israel.
	Israel has every right to strike back.
	We're not talking about that.
	We're talking about countries which are they've got about fiftyy percent Christian, fifty percent Muslim, and the Muslims decide to terrorize the Christians, right?
	And homicidal spreeze against the Christians.
	And they do it with, like, impunity.
	They do it with impunity.
	And in some ways, I suppose, they now know that the world media is not interested.
	Yeah.
	Because it just doesn't fit the narrative.
	The narrative has to make Israel and America the bad guy.
	Yeah.
	If it doesn't fit that narrative, then they're not interested.
	It's not going to be on CNN.
	Yeah.
	So what if we, what if we had another cruciade and fought back?
	Well, the idea here would be to create a worldwide defense organization for Christians.
	And such an organization.
	Now some will say, I mean, you can already hear it, right?
	If you and I say this, somebody's going to go, Well, Dinesh, that's really not in the spirit of Christianity.
	Have you ever heard of turning the other cheek?
	Right, you're going to get all this.
	That's right.
	Politically, it is very important to protect Christians from this kind of onslaught.
	I mean, ultimately, look, in the end, we may be called to be martyrs, but we should not be inviting martyrdom.
	Hey, here's my neck, chomp it off.
	No.
	The radical Muslims have to be shown that they can get away with this.
	And not to mention the fact that the Christian people of the world need to look out for fellow Christians.
	I mean, this goes back to the book of Acts.
	And you need to feel safe.
	I mean, that's important.
	And we talk all the time about religious liberty.
	Religious liberty simply in its basic meaning is the right to practice your faith, in this case, Christianity, without being molested, which is to say without being shot, tortured, decapitated, etc.
	All right, let's talk about Well, you want to talk about that Instagram.
	That Megan Kelly that I Well, we should talk about I was going right there because because so with Megan Kelly, she had on a guest.
	Marjorie Taylor Green.
	Marjorie Taylor Green, that's right.
	And they were talking about Israel.
	And Megan Kelly said, in effect, Well, you know, a lot of people are pressuring me to go to Israel.
	I keep getting invited to these so called free trips to Israel.
	And she's like, I'm not going to fall for it.
	Her implication was that she is somehow being corrupted and that going to Israel is like, in a sense, surrendering to the power of APAC and the Jews.
	And no, she, Megan Kelly, is not going to, she's going to stay independent.
	Now, this was disturbing on a number of levels.
	First of all, Megan Kelly has so far, like, not gone down this road.
	It's the hidden presumptions of it that I think we need to bring out, right?
	So one hidden presumption is that if APAC, the American Israel Political Action Committee, which by the way, is an American PAC, right?
	There are other organizations in this country that promote friendship with Europe, friendship with France.
	There's an American English Society.
	English society that organizes all kinds of stuff that cooperation and common events with England.
	This is not uncommon in America, but they single out APAC as if somehow APAC is created by Israel.
	No, APAC is Americans, mainly American Jews, but not only.
	There are Christians who support APAC as well.
	And the idea is if APAC says to people now, most of these people aren't like Megan Kelly.
	They've never been to Israel.
	In some cases, they're like students or they're like journalists.
	And so the point is what Israel is saying is you keep saying these things about our society.
	Why don't you come over here and see for yourself?
	Look for yourself.
	We're not going to tell you where to go.
	You come see.
	And this is being treated as some kind of a front, right?
	Which which I think is I don't know, I think misguided is quite the right word here.
	Now, like I told you, I kind of know a little bit of where this is coming from.
	So I don't want to imply that it's coming out of nowhere.
	When I was at AEI, the American Enterprise Institute, which was a heavily Jewish precinct of neoconservatives and libertarians., from time to time, a petition would go around AEI.
	Right, you know, denounce Joe Sobrin, who is a friend of mine.
	Denounce Pat Buchanan, whom I knew.
	Will you sign Dinesh?
	And I did feel a little bit of pressure to be on board with all my colleagues and sign.
	I never signed.
	So I resisted the pressure, but the pressure was there, at least implicitly.
	So I think Megan Kelly is alluding to something like this.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	So there may be something to what she's saying, but that being said, well, look.
	Look, I posted on that.
	I've gotten like over I weighed in.
	I've gotten like over I don't know, five hundred something likes on it.
	And I didn't even think anybody would even read it, but apparently they did.
	And there were people that liked it and then there were just as many people that didn't like it.
	Basically, all I said is you're missing out.
	Dinesh and I, when we went to Israel, it was the most gratifying spiritual experience we've ever had.
	That's all I said.
	That is all I said.
	And I'm and I got it.
	What did the critics say?
	Like what are they saying?
	Oh yeah, you're being paid off.
	Oh yeah.
	Yeah, well that explains a lot of our, you know, Far from us being paid off.
	We got to go at our own expense.
	We actually pay our own.
	We pay a lot.
	Because we believe in the Bible.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	And because for me, it's not a matter of anyone making me go.
	It's not a matter of anyone paying for us to go.
	It's just when you're a Christian and you really delve in the Bible and the Bible comes to life in a way that it won't come to life any other way.
	Well, not only that, I mean, you saw the you saw the interview.
	This is with Tucker Carlson and the nun with the mustache, right?
	And you told me, which blowed me away.
	You're like, you know the nun with the mustache?
	She's George Stephanopoulos' what sister?
	Sister.
	Yeah.
	So this was evidently, at least this seemed to me to be suppressed, right?
	Because it would be one thing if Tucker were to say, listen, actually, I think Tucker did say it was, it was whatever her name is, Stephanopoulos.
	So he did mention her last name, but I, you know, there's maybe more than one.
	I didn't watch the whole show.
	I just watched a couple of social media clips on it.
	And but what I'm getting at is that you get these claims like, oh Christians is life is very difficult for Christians in Israel, right?
	Yeah.
	You and I are in Israel were leapfrogging from the 19th century.
	We are going from church to church, and the reason we're going from church to church, by the way, is because the early Christians, in order to mark holy sites, built churches.
	That's right.
	So we're not just going to churches, we're going to churches which mark the place of the crucifixion, the place of Jesus' birth, the place of the ascension, the nativity, and, you know, Bethlehem.
	And so, and these churches are flocking with, we were there at Easter, flocking with pilgrims, flocking with Christians from all over the world.
	So the idea that Israel officially is cracking down.
	Now there are some, you know, kind of orthodox Jews.
	Yeah, well, they're like, give you dirty looks.
	They kind of act a little bit like the homeless people in LA or in San Francisco.
	I mean, you know, they accost you.
	Yeah, and they have an ideological hostility to Christianity.
	That's true, but that is not the norm.
	That's not the norm.
	It's not the mainstream.
	No.
	The mainstream of the society is quite welcoming.
	That's right.
	And again, it's just right here.
	Loved it.
	Okay.
	Let's talk about we're actually going to have to skip a couple of topics or at least save them for the next time.
	Yes.
	But let's just talk about Trump and Zelensky.
	That was the big issue for this week.
	And of course, the and Trump's claim, which you found extremely amusing, that the United States is far and away the hottest.
	Yeah.
	Not the hottest because it's summer.
	And then you go, you go.
	You know, I should have realized I would be getting some white leaf backlash.
	Hot like Sydney Sweeney.
	I'm like, wait a minute.
	I'm sitting there going, wait a minute.
	You think Sydney Sweeney's hot?
	This, this, this reminds me of the scene with Chevy Chase.
	You know the scene.
	In fact, I learned about the scene from you.
	You love the scene.
	Why would I like a girl like that?
	His wife is like, Why would you mention what was he talking about?
	No, it's just that he was in a pool in the swimming pool.
	They were at a hotel.
	Yeah.
	He was in a swimming pool.
	Christy Brinkley.
	Oh, that's right.
	And she goes in the swimming pool in her, like, I don't know, I don't even know she's in a 18 or whatever.
	She goes in there, she's swimming, and the wife sees him gawking at the, at Christy Brinkley, right?
	So she gets really upset, and she's in bed, and he comes in, and she goes, I saw you with that girl.
	Talking at her.
	Yeah.
	And he goes, Honey, no.
	Why would I like a girl like that?
	She's ugly.
	Exactly my view.
	Yeah.
	So I thought of that too.
	And you said that.
	So, yeah.
	All right.
	So he says that.
	And so, but anyway, Trump and Zelensky and all those guys were moving.
	The thing about Trump with the hottest country is, I think what Trump is trying to do is he's tr what the business world wants to be.
	That's right.
	I think he wants to say, we're on the frontier of AI, we're the frontier of robotics, of technology, of the future.
	And so if you want to be there too, come here.
	Don't start your business over there and expect us to send over jobs, send over contracts.
	We don't want to do that.
	We don't mind if you're foreign.
	Your last name can be Nakasoni.
	Remember the little short guy from SoftBank?
	So Trump's like, Trump is not ethnocentric in that sense, but his point is bring your money over here.
	Yeah.
	And we will treat you very well.
	We will welcome you.
	That was the whole point of the gold card, you know.
	That's right.
	Pack to citizenship if you put enough money in the country because Trump knows.
	I think what he really realizes, and this is where his MAGA ism is a little different than that of some other people, Trump's view is that as long as you're building the system, which is ultimately good for our workers and our working class and Americans living here, we don't have an objection to an internationalist or cosmopolitan approach.
	It's not us against you.
	Trump is very cosmopolitan.
	Very.
	Right?
	So yes, that is exactly.
	But he's very proud of America.
	And so that's why he says, yeah, they think this is the hottest country because they're look at, I mean, they have never had all these heads of state come to the White House like that before, a summit like that at the White House.
	This is the first time this has ever happened.
	So I have a feeling that it will happen a lot more.
	And I think these people are a little nervous because they're thinking, well, this is all great, but what happens when Trump is no longer president?
	And if I can just to close out, make a kind of a philosophical point about cosmopolitanism.
	Many people think that cosmopolitanism means a bunch of people who are citizens of the world who are not rooted in any particular country.
	Oh, I'm a cosmopolitan.
	I don't really belong anywhere.
	I'm a nomad.
	No.
	What cosmopolitanism actually means is a meeting point of people who are rooted in their own culture, in a unique way of seeing the world and the richness of cosmopolitanism comes out because you have people of truly differing worldviews,
	cultures, cuisines, understandings now being able to kind of interact and in some ways even push up against each other because each one is coming from it with an authentically uniquely interesting perspective.
	Hey, we in France don't see it that way, you know, but the Germans have always looked at things in terms of building something.
	We're architects, you know, we're not theoreticians and the Italians come in, they go, you know what?
	No, we think of things.
	in terms of living life in the moment.
	And so the cosmopolitanism of Europe was a unique Italy, a unique Greece, a unique Germany, a unique England, as opposed to a big mush from which you can learn nothing and is in fact esthetically in every respect uninteresting.

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