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HONOR AND SHARIA Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1128
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Coming up, Debbie and I are ready for our Friday roundup.
We're going to talk about the Epstein business.
We're going to talk about Hunter Biden and his bizarre explanation for the crisis in the Democratic Party, a strange case of honor killing in Washington state, whether AI is good for blue-collar America, and how Chip and Joanna Gaines thumbed their noses at their Christian audience.
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Debbie and I are here for a Friday roundup.
And, well, I'm actually kind of glad that Debbie made it because I was, well, honey, I was a little worried about you.
You have been undergoing some, well, you're a bit of a wounded soldier these last few days.
Yeah, it's not even, you know, I've been really trying to up my exercise and walking and all of that.
But it was, I dropped a cup of coffee and I threw my back out.
I mean, how silly is that?
Did you like make a lunge for?
I think I jerked a certain way and I knew it immediately when that happened.
I knew that my back was out.
Like I was like, oh no, this could not be.
You've been like walking with a limp.
I think you're a little better.
I'm getting better today, yes.
You went from like...
Yeah, to somewhat improved.
And now you're mobile again.
And that's, yeah, it's crazy how this stuff, you know, it reminds me of that.
Remember when we went to see your friend, the comedian, you know, he was talking about how, you know, when you're young, you can make all these moves and you can do splits.
But when you're old, you just like put something in the microwave and you throw your shoulder out.
Oh, yeah.
Basically, that's it.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Dana Carvey.
Yeah, yeah.
He was talking about that.
All right.
Let's talk about Jeffrey Epstein.
And we were just chatting a few minutes ago about David Limbaugh and David weighing in.
And of course, you were saying something like, you know, Rush, David is in a way our closest connection right now to Rush Limbaugh as well.
And Rush would surely have been on the same page.
And really what David is saying is that, look, Trump is annoyed about all this, but he's not annoyed because he's a pedophile.
He's not annoyed because he's on the list.
He's annoyed because he's doing 30 things and we are making dramatic progress.
I mean, I can't think of this kind of momentum.
I'd have to go back to like 1981 with Reagan, right?
And even then with Reagan, it was momentum on like two fronts.
This is momentum on 12 fronts.
And then in the middle of it, you suddenly got, you know, kind of halt, timeout, let's all start, you know, let's all drop everything else and let's focus on Epstein.
And I think Trump is just like dismissive in his somewhat characteristic way.
But I think Limbaugh's point is that Trump has a point.
Trump is like, guys, let's be mature.
Let's act the way the Democrats act to advance the ball.
Can you see Democrats bringing their whole momentum to a stop, torpedoing their legislation all over something that happened 25 years ago?
No, no.
And in fact, I was telling you, even with the Biden cover-up, you know, it was Biden has been very careful not to blame Obama or Nancy Pelosi.
You know, obviously he was upset, but not to the point of like, okay, that's it.
I've had it with the Democrats.
I'm not a Democrat anymore.
I'm not, you know what I mean?
Never did he do that.
And even the media, which is not part of the Democratic Party, strictly speaking, but I mean, they're the unpaid propagandists of the Democratic Party.
But look how measured they've been in their criticism.
Even Jake Tapper, I'm going to do a book blowing the whistle.
But everywhere, the tone is respectful.
In fact, they're very careful not to go too far.
It's like, yeah, Biden deteriorated at the end, and so we all saw it in the debate.
They don't go, well, this guy was bonkers from day one that somebody cut a deal with him up front.
The Democrats protect their flanks.
They do, and We don't know how to do that.
And why is that?
Why is our side?
I mean, we eat our own always, always have, but it's also very like, I don't understand how we don't understand that anytime there's any kind of division or animosity or anything like that on our side, the left and the media take full advantage.
They take full advantage.
And there are some MAGA people who totally play into their hands.
There's a woman on social media whose tag, whose handle includes January 6th, right?
And she's been like blasting me because she says, you know, oh, Dinesh, you know, you're a grifter.
You're only trying to repay Trump for his pardon.
And I'm like, stop with this kind of nonsense.
I mean, you and I have done a lot for these January 6th people, right?
And she goes, we did it all for Trump.
We went into the Capitol because of Trump.
And I'm like, listen, you know, I did my best to help you, but Trump did not invite you to go to the Capitol.
You decided to go into the Capitol.
Yes, you walked into a trap.
That was your own stupidity, and it was their ruthlessness in prosecuting you.
And Trump has pardoned you, right?
So this getting on your moral high horse here.
And when, and I also said, look, I mean, yeah, I got a pardon from Trump, but I got a pardon in 2018, right?
My case was in 2013.
I paid my fine.
I spent half a million dollars.
I did my sentence.
I was kind of done with it all.
I was doing a little community service and I got spared the rest of that.
I'm glad of the pardon.
But this idea that somehow, you know, our ideas are tainted or corrupted because we're being paid off or we're somehow, I mean, we don't hang out at Mar-a-Lago.
We maintain an independent existence precisely so we can speak our mind.
Exactly.
And I think, and the problem is that we know when we have a good thing going and we know when we don't.
And we absolutely know that the left is like, they're like sharks.
They're kind of circling the boat.
Beautiful analogy.
They smell blood from a long distance away.
They have been looking for something to get Trump.
And they've tried.
They've like, Trump is even more out of it than Biden.
That went nowhere.
Then they try the, you know, the Trump is trying to make a profit for himself.
That went nowhere.
And suddenly, almost as a gift, just as like COVID, the Epstein thing comes down and they see all these MAGA people, you know, jumping up and down in a rage and they go, this is it.
This is what we've been waiting for.
And so you've got people on our side who have, and, you know, when Trump calls them dupes, I think this is what he means.
He doesn't mean that they're dumb.
He means that they're politically dumb.
They're playing into the hands of the other side.
That absolutely is.
Now, why do you think that is?
Is it because I think it's naive?
They're naive.
They're naive.
Because, look, I mean, I hesitate to blast them because they, first of all, a lot of these people are indignant.
Not just, you know, the reason that the Epstein case is so big for them is they believe that corrupt elites live by a different set of rules and they are never held accountable.
So the Epstein case is a miniature of that.
I think that's what it is exactly.
Yeah.
I don't think they actually, I don't think it's about the victims.
I don't even think it's about the people on the list.
I think it's about someone that is an elitist getting away with something that is really bad.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think so too.
We've seen documentaries about Epstein.
We've seen the local victims can come out and provide the list.
They can say, all right, this guy and this guy and this guy and this guy.
The victims haven't done that.
They have their own reasons for not doing that.
Some of them have received settlements.
They've signed confidentiality agreements.
That's between them and the system.
So, you know, I think this is a, but there's no question that this is disrupting the unity of our side.
And I think it cannot help but have a bad effect on advancing the agenda.
I think so too.
And, you know, the interesting thing, I don't know if Megan Kelly ever listens to this podcast or anything, but I have a question for Megan Kelly because she's been very much on the like, we need to know the list.
We need to find out the list.
If I recall, a while ago, Megan Kelly came out and said something to the effect that she didn't think that he was dead.
Yeah, she's like, big news is coming about Epstein.
Keep tuned to my channel because she implied Epstein was alive and she had information that he was alive.
And then we never heard a word about it.
Yeah, and she doesn't talk about that now.
So I was like, well, what was that all about?
The other thing with all this is sort of the, I mean, I understand Megan Kelly is a journalist and she wants to get to the truth of it.
We all do.
I mean, we all want to find out more than we know, right?
There are unanswered questions.
And then the family of Ghillaine.
I don't like her name.
Gillen.
First of all, I misspell it every time and I mispronounce it every time because it's like Ghislaine.
Yeah, L-A-I-N-E-N.
Yeah, Ghilane.
Maxwell's family wants her lawyers to get her out of jail because they said that she didn't get a fair trial, blah, blah, blah.
Well, she's another one that can come out and say there is a list or there isn't a list.
You know, if there is a list, let's just say that she would know where it is.
Probably made it.
She might have drafted the list in the first place.
I think she did.
Yeah.
I mean, I think she did.
So there's a lot there that, and people aren't even talking about her much.
One of the things that Trump has stressed a number of times is the Democrats have doctored this file.
Now, we know that the Democrats are quite capable of doing this.
They doctor a lot of files.
And see, when Trump mentions Russia collusion, he mentions the 51 agents, intelligence officials.
I think Trump might know something about the degree to which the files have been corrupted and corrupted to make our side look bad.
Right?
And Trump maybe thinks, listen, I don't want to just put this doctored information out there and then spend two years trying to explain it.
You know, there'll be a demand for a special counsel.
This is going to make, just as, I mean, look at Trump's first term was almost corroded by Russia collusion.
I know.
He spent two years bogged down in that one issue, right?
Does he want to spend two years bogged down in this?
Okay, so this to me, look, I'm kind of going out and looking at this.
The Democrats want to create something for that to happen again.
Yeah, they want to tie their goal, again, is always kind of the same.
It is to tie our side up and to arrest our agenda.
I mean, even if we go back, like, why were the Democrats going after me in my case, right?
Is it because they were concerned about my $20,000 donation to Wendy Long?
No.
Their idea is, here's a guy who just made this film about Obama.
He's effective.
He's out there in the public square.
How do we tie him up?
How do we lock him down?
How do we shut him up?
That's their goal.
That's their goal with Trump on a larger canvas.
And for our own side not to see that and go, oh, well, let's help them to do that because we are somehow, you know, morally superior to Trump.
And, you know, Trump himself might be a pedophile.
I mean, this kind of thing would, if I were Trump, I would be infuriated because I would say to myself, okay, I would even talk to this January 6th person and say, listen, all right, so what happened to you?
You got three months.
You know, these guys were trying to lock me up for the rest of my life.
I've had two assassination attempts.
I don't need any of this.
I'm doing this for a cause, and you're acting like I'm some secret pedophile just because you don't have a file that I may have very good reason for not wanting to put out there.
This is beyond exasperating.
It really is.
And that's why I said I was actually glad to see David Limbaugh come out on it because it looked like there was an array of people on one side and you're like, Dinesh, because I was putting myself out there, right?
You know, they did a poll and they say that actually more people are backing Trump than not.
So it's the squeaky wheel.
You know, the people that are making the most noise are not actually the majority of the party and the majority of the backers.
Well, not only are they not the majority of the party, they're not even the majority of the MAGA addendum to the mainstream Republican Party.
So the way to look at that is if Trump got 51%, I would say 45% is traditional Republicans.
Now, some of those people are, of course, Trumpsters and MAGA, but that's the Republican base.
That base is solidly with Trump.
Then you've got the additions to that base, which are the MAGA newcomers.
These are like working class guys.
You've got some black guys.
You've got some Hispanics in the Rio Grande Valley.
You've got some people who have moved over from the left, people like Glenn Greenwald, perhaps.
That's 3 or 4%.
Out of that 3 or 4%, maybe 2% is mad at Trump.
So these guys think we're the base.
Trump is alienating the base.
I think Trump realizes you're not the base.
You might have a platform.
You might even be really loud.
You might have a following.
But guess what?
Let's put a referendum to your following about whether they're going to follow you or Trump.
And they have to choose one or the other box.
They're going to go with Trump.
Right.
Well, yeah.
And look, I don't know about Dershowitz.
I don't know what his connection, besides being his lawyer, you know, is.
But he's come out and said, yes, there's a list, but not a list like you think there's a list.
There's a list of people that were accused of doing things, but never proven, including him, but his was proven not to be the case.
Right.
She backed up.
But the point is that the accusation was out there and it was out there for a long time.
Right.
So these MeToo accusations on these people are what is so-called the list.
And so he says, do you want a list that is just accusations with baseless, some of them, you know, some of them may be true.
I don't know.
But basically, these people will be thought of as pedophiles forever if it comes out.
And what if it's not even true?
What if these people didn't even go to Lolita Island or whatever?
Yeah, I think, you know, Trump can somewhat, somehow nip this in the bud by saying, look, we are going to take a look at this and basically see what it is legitimate to release that hasn't been released.
I do think that, of course, there were some absolute disastrous kind of public exploits.
Remember all the influencers who came traipsing into the White House?
They all came out with folders.
And I said, like, Epstein Phase 1.
That was all stupid.
Yeah.
Well, that was handled very poorly by Pam Bondi, I believe.
Yeah.
Very bad.
And equally badly, the whole, I've got the files on my desk.
You don't want to create expect.
In fact, a lot of what we're seeing is high expectations and low delivery, right?
So to some degree, I can understand people are confused.
They're like, wait, and then it looks like, oh, no.
And remember, these are people, for example, who have been proven right on numerous conspiracy theories.
Right.
And so they go, their mind is going to go there almost magnetically.
And so then they go, oh, you too must be part of the problem.
You're covering up.
Are you a pedophile?
And so this whole, are you a pedophile?
And B, are you being paid by somebody?
You know, I forget one of the producers of one of the shows, you know, the moment I said, listen, let's not derail the Trump agenda over this.
She's like, Dinesh must have gotten the call, as though Trump is calling me on the phone.
Dinesh, listen, you know, no, we don't get calls.
We don't take calls.
We don't respond to calls.
So I don't think a lot of people realize that in some ways a paranoid strain has been cultivated on the right that we need to live down a little bit.
It was justified in certain instances, and certainly in certain instances involving Obama and Biden.
So it's almost like we have got PTSD over the past four years, and now we're reacting in that reacting without letting our mind be the quarterback.
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Let's talk about Hunter Biden because it's actually connected.
Hunter Biden recently said, I'm going to summarize.
Can you bring the list just to the point?
Yeah, right here.
Hunter Biden says that the Democratic Party is in trouble because they have made a major mistake.
And the major mistake, as it turns out, is snubbing his dad.
He said, you turned against the leader of the party, Joe Biden.
I think the translation of all of this is that the Bidens had a very lucrative racket going.
And it was a racket with a lot of overflow.
And by that, I mean it wasn't just the money from Ukraine or the Russian oligarch or the wife of the mayor of Moscow and money coming in from Central America.
It was also like a guy like Hunter Biden could go to LA.
He could open up a window front, put his doggerel verse and his idiot paintings, which look like they're done by a 12-year-old, and charge $500,000 and get $500,000, which is another way of getting a disguised contribution, an influence buying operation.
So all of this has come to a stop.
And Hunter Biden is downright mad.
And that's, I think, what it means.
Well, I mean, all these people taking the fifth on, you know, but here's the thing.
Let's talk about who took the fifth.
Two people.
Two people.
But yesterday, I just want to back up.
Yesterday, we got this report that Trump's leg was swelling.
Right.
And therefore, there's, you know, something wrong with Trump, right?
Well, we never got a report that Biden's brain was swelling.
You know what I mean?
And in fact, all these people taking the fifth don't want to talk about the swelling of his brain.
Including Biden's doctor, the White House doctor, this guy, Kevin O'Connor, I believe his name is.
And then the other guy was the chief of staff for Jill Biden.
And apparently this guy had a tremendous amount of influence.
So, you know, we often talk about the Obama influence, but maybe it was a consortium of key people.
So Schumer, Pelosi, when she was head of the Speaker of the House, Jill Biden operating through her chief of staff, and Obama operating from the outside.
And maybe this was the secret junta running the, not only the Democratic Party, but running the country, running the country.
So part of what I've been saying, and this is not to regurgitate Epstein here, is that we need to press this.
This is a talk about blood in the water for our side, right?
So the Democrats smell blood in the water.
They move.
We smell blood in the water.
We're distracted.
Oh, our mind is all over here.
Look over there.
No, craziness.
All right.
You want to talk?
You've been wanting to talk about this.
You've been following this all week.
You've been actually listening to the trial, right?
And we're talking about a trial that's going on.
What is it, Washington State?
It's basically, yes, it's Washington, Lacey, Washington is the place, Washington State, versus Ali and Ali.
And these are the parents of, so they are accused of attempted honor killing of their daughter.
Right.
At the time, this happened on, I believe it was October 18th of 2024.
And this is a Muslim family from Iraq, right?
And very, very dogmatic about their religion, traditional, all that.
So they have this daughter.
I think they have two daughters.
And this One daughter was a senior in high school.
They pull her out of high school and they make her do online high school, basically.
They pull her out.
She had a boyfriend, a non-Muslim boyfriend.
And apparently, they had been traveling to Iraq with her to meet someone of their choosing, probably an old man.
Almost like an arranged marriage.
An arranged marriage.
Yeah.
So anyway this girl had wanted nothing to do with that.
She was very westernized and thought her parents were really strict.
They didn't allow her to date.
And when they questioned her on the stand about, did your parents know that you were dating this boy?
At first, she said no.
And then when they found out, they got very angry.
But that day, apparently, the day that the dad almost choked her to death.
And I'll talk a little bit about what happened there.
They were going to go to Iraq and she ran away from home.
Wow.
She just thought, you know, I need refuge.
And they're like, well, where did you go?
She went to her high school, her old high school, because she thought she could get help there from teachers, her friends, whoever, you know, like, listen, my parents, you know, they want to kill me.
They've threatened to kill me over this, you know?
And she thought they were serious.
And you know what?
They were serious.
Yeah, because talk about the actual incident because you showed me a short video of it.
It's quite kind of horrifying.
Oh, horrifying.
And describe what happened.
Yeah.
So from the video.
From the video.
So apparently this all happened outside.
Now, I think a lot of honor killings happen behind closed doors, typically, right?
And in fact, you know, in our movie Infidel, this was a scene in that movie.
Exactly.
It's connected to a plot that takes you to Iran and takes you to the Middle East.
I mean, it's a terrific film, and we should urge people to see it.
If you join my locals channel, the film is up there.
It's called Infidel starring Jim Caviesel.
That alone is a fascinating story of how we got Jim Coviesel to play the lead in the movie.
And the movie was a huge success in the theater, but unfortunately, we released it during COVID.
The Regal Theater is all shut down.
The movie kind of just basically got torpedoed.
But it's a really good film.
It's a really good movie.
And this is the best way to see it.
So anyway, so the movie depicted something that actually happens.
Right.
And it happens more than we know, really, because I think a lot of these are very secretive and we don't find out about them.
But in this case, it was out in the open.
So what happened was she was at a bus stop and her father comes at her, grabs her by the neck, and starts choking her, like literally choking her.
And a lot of the kids, her friends, are all like, you know, stop, stop.
They're all yelling at him to stop and pleading with him and all of that.
And the sister and the mom are not far away.
I don't know where the sister fits into this because I don't know.
I don't think she was a part of it.
But the mom definitely played a very huge role in that.
The mom also wanted her dead.
Yeah, I mean, when you said the mom came running, I thought you were about to say the mom was going to pull the dad, but you were like, oh, no, the mom was in cahoots with the dad.
Yeah, she was in cahoots with the dad.
And in the video, you know, you see these students like helplessly trying to intervene, but they're not able to do anything.
And that tells me that the dad's chokehold was so strong.
It was.
In fact, so, so, but somebody did save her life, and that was a bus driver.
Yeah.
And he was not a school bus driver.
This was a normal, you know, bus.
City bus, yeah.
And he starts when he sees this.
At first he says he doesn't know what's happening.
He thinks it's teenage kids fighting.
But then he sees the girl and he sees the man, her dad, choking her, and he sees that her eyes kind of go to rolling back.
So he gets out, he honks, he gets out and he goes after the dad and he pulls him off of her.
He yanks his hands off of her neck.
Saves the girl's life at this point.
And the dad is like, you know, why are you doing this?
Like, why are you doing this?
It's none of your business, you know, basically is what he's thinking.
Which is, you know, and you made a point as you were watching this, and I thought this is very interesting because there are Western countries where the Muslims have been able to establish semi-autonomous zones.
Sharia courts.
And I know in India, they do have something like this, right?
They allow Muslim communities to referee their own internal conflicts.
Now, if a Muslim guy stabs a non-Muslim, it's a different matter.
But if it's within the community, it's resolved through the local imam and through a local kind of administrative system.
The Muslims would like to export that to Great Britain, to France, and to the United States.
We already have in Great Britain, by the way.
And you were saying that, guess what?
If this had been, let's say, a Sharia court, let's just say that there was local autonomy in a Muslim community.
It would go to a Sharia court, and the Sharia court would apply Sharia law, according to which it is permissible under certain conditions to kill a Muslim who does certain things.
And we should mention two of those things.
One of them, of course, is apostasy.
It is not allowed.
The radical Muslims do not believe that if you are a Muslim, you should be allowed to convert to something else.
So if you do, you can be killed.
This was one of the reasons they had a fatwa on Rashdi.
And the second thing, of course, is blasphemy against the Prophet.
And that was also involved in the Rashdi case.
Here's a third instance where the issue of killing for honor.
And of course, I think what they mean is not just the honor of the parents, but the honor of Islam itself.
Yeah, well, and this is where I think that our court system doesn't understand that.
Right.
Tell me why you say that.
Okay, so the judge is not allowing the jurors to hear the testimony about the forced marriage.
Interesting.
So in other words, the judge is treating it like just a father and a daughter got into it and the daughter was joking domestic violence.
as opposed to setting the underlying sort of motive, which has nothing to do.
Probably the weird thing about this, and we depicted this in Infidel, the father loves the daughter.
It's not that the father hates the daughter and want, you know, this is not a case like that.
We have seen other cases in murder trials where people will kill their parents or their kids for money.
This is not involved here.
This is not that.
This is rooted in something very deep, which is on the one side, a certain kind of understanding of Islam and its consequences.
And on the other side, it's strong enough to override even the domestic affections you have for your own children.
And no matter how you slice it, it's really warped.
It's really warped.
I mean, it's really warped.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, and it should not be allowed.
It should not be allowed.
So I think these jurors, I think it's wrong that they can't hear the full story.
But because even if they've heard the full story, in America, you can't just up and kill your child because you believe that it is the honor of your religion to do so or the honor of your family to do so.
Absolutely.
You just can't.
That is just not allowed here.
And if these people, I'm serious when I say these are the people that need to be deported because they do not follow our laws, our customs.
They cannot blend in with our culture.
And they're very antithetical to our culture.
And so they, I believe, cause harm, for one.
I mean, look at what is happening in this Washington courtroom.
People shouldn't have to, this shouldn't even have to take place in America, is what I'm saying.
Yeah, and I think the underlying philosophical issue here is this.
And that is that in a classically liberal society like America, when you have these immigrant communities, and let's leave aside the legal versus illegal.
We're not talking about that.
We're talking about people who come in and they speak a different language.
In some cases, they have a different religion.
Now, some of this is familiar to us, right?
In American history, you had German immigrants who came in the 19th century and they actually spoke German.
And they spoke German in places like Philadelphia for generations.
Italian and Italian, yes.
Irish.
And not to mention the fact that they had their own ways.
And sometimes they will make a demand where they say, we want an exemption from the rules of a liberal society.
Like I'll give you an example of where that's going on right now.
In Canada, the French-speaking Canadians in Montreal want to have French public schools.
They want their public schools to be in French.
They want their street signs to be in French.
So they don't accept this idea that let's have individual rights.
But they're like, no, we are a group.
We are the francophone community of Eastern Canada.
And we demand group rights.
And the group rights are, you have to respect our language, you have to respect our ways, and you have to make an allowance for our ways.
So this is the philosophical issue.
And I think what we're saying is that, and this is my view.
Yeah, but this is benign compared to this.
Right, right.
I myself would show some tolerance toward a variety of cuisines, even languages, certainly different types of ways of raising kids.
I'm not exactly a fan of the way a lot of kids are raised in this society.
So if immigrant parents want to raise their kids in stricter ways, it's not a bad idea at all.
But this is too much.
Kill them.
Yeah, this is absolute madness.
Come on, man.
Come on, man.
Exactly.
All right, let's move on because we've got a bunch of other things to cover.
Let's talk about the Golden Dome.
The issue here is, are we bringing...
And the iron dome is to intercept incoming missiles.
And it does a pretty good job.
It's not infallible.
Apparently, it's got about a 95% interception rate, which is, I think, a high rate.
You're not going to be able to get 100% with these things.
Why?
Because the guy who's firing the missiles has the advantage of aiming at a variety of different targets and also, in a sense, flooding you with missiles, right?
But Trump has talked about bringing the golden dome to America using new technologies that did not exist.
You remember, of course, Reagan.
Star Wars, strategic defense that was nicknamed Star Wars.
Now, this is a case where the Democrats, they wanted, they thought that by naming it Star Wars, it would mock what Reagan was doing, right?
It would make it sound dumb.
But people like Star Wars.
So Reagan very cunningly embraced it.
Reagan goes, oh, yeah, I'm doing Star Wars.
Democrats were like, wait, wait, wait.
We thought we got them.
But in Reagan's time, the idea was good.
And there were a number of technologies discussed.
In fact, one of my close friends from Dartmouth at that time was writing about these technologies in the Wall Street Journal, Greg Fosseth, but it was insufficient to deploy a full-fledged system.
And I think after the Soviet Union collapsed, the idea kind of went away.
But Trump is bringing it back.
And you're saying it's a good idea.
I think so.
I love the idea.
I love it.
I mean, it really is.
Because the notion that, let's just say, a single stray missile were fired from an ICBM at an American city, right?
It was the United States' policy for many, many decades to have no defense against that missile.
You try to deter it under mutually assured destruction, but if deterrence fails and the missile is in the sky, there's nothing you can do.
That, it seems to me, is especially if you have the means, if you don't have the resources or the technology to do anything, then you're helpless.
But if you can, you should.
And Trump is saying, let's do it.
Yeah, no, exactly.
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All right, let's talk about Air India.
Oh, yeah.
We're talking about the Air India plane.
You know about it.
It took off from Ahmedabad, which is a city in India.
And no sooner did it take off than it began to hover in the sky and it crashed, killing everybody on board and killing a bunch of people on the ground.
And, you know, we've watched a good number of like airline disasters and we know a fair amount about what causes these things.
This is something just stupefyingly unbelievable.
And why don't you say what we now, I should say, even though the final report hasn't come out, an interim report has been released, we actually know what caused this crash.
What is it?
So what are the knobs called?
These are the switches.
Let's just call them the off and on switches that turn the engines off and on.
Right, right.
So apparently, and now we know who did it.
We know who did it?
Yeah.
At the beginning, you and I were like, oh, no.
In fact, we have taken this plane.
It's the Boeing Dreamliner.
786.
A magnificent plane that lands like a feather, and it's got a fantastic record.
This was the first major disaster involving the Boeing Dreamliner.
And you and I were like, is this going to be very bad for Boeing?
And not to mention the fact that it's going to make us a little more nervous.
Especially because we're flying on one in a couple of months.
We have a big trip coming up.
But it turns out there's nothing wrong with the Boeing.
There's nothing wrong with the plane.
What happened?
There is something wrong with the pilot.
With one of the two pilots.
And the two pilots were veterans.
They were very well trained.
Thousands of miles away.
So, you know, when they first started talking about somebody turned off the switch, you and I were like, are you telling us that an experienced couple of pilots, the best pilots fly these planes, right?
Who have thousands of hours of training and have a checklist.
And not to mention there are alarms that go off if you do these things in the cockpit, are going to inadvertently, oops, turn off the engine.
That makes no sense.
And in fact, that's not what happened.
What happened?
So apparently now, yesterday, I believe it came out that the captain switched it off as they were taking off.
Deliberately.
Deliberately.
And the co-captain called him out on it.
Hey, why did you do that?
And apparently the captain said, I didn't do that.
But it was obvious that he did it.
So then I believe the co-captain turned them back on, but it was too late.
So the point here being that you turned it off.
Yeah, you turn the engines off, the engines are not getting fuel.
And as a result, the plane starts to lose lift.
And it can be that at a certain point, even if you turn them back on, by the time the fuel floods back into the engines, the plane has already lost its trajectory.
This is a case, and I nickname it Kamikaze Pilot, even though I know that that's not really the name of it because Kamikaze, as you know, was in the Kamikaze was a deliberate soldier of war who consciously crashed his plane, usually attempting to hit a U.S. Navy ship.
Navy ships, yes.
But they were on a suicide mission, right?
So that's why I call these kamikaze pilots, because they seem to be on a suicide mission, knowing that they are going to die, but they're going to take everyone else with them.
I think they're really mass murderers.
They're not committing suicide.
They're committing mass murderers.
They're worse than any serial killer.
Because, I mean, let's look at how many people did Bundy kill?
Well, he's accused of having killed 100.
He only admitted to 30, but they say that they think it's much higher.
But what I'm saying is this guy has a death toll.
Three times that.
Right.
In a single incident.
Yeah.
Right.
I mean, what we've talked about, the Kohlberger case, well, he killed four.
Yeah.
Versus 300 people.
It's absolutely insane.
Sad, sad, sad.
And we watch this pilot.
His name is Captain Steve.
It's like two E's, I think, or something.
But anyway, on YouTube.
And he's a captain for, I believe, American Airlines, but he's really good.
And he is really the one that called it.
He was on it right away.
He was on it.
Right away.
He went there before other people would go there.
Because I think he realized it has to be this.
There's a beautiful line by Sherlock Holmes in Arthur Connon Doyle.
And he says, when you have eliminated all the other possibilities, then whatever remains, no matter how implausible, has to be the truth.
And that's what happened here.
Is it the plane?
No, it's not.
Is it any kind of mechanical malfunction?
No, it's not.
All right, it has to be the personnel.
Could this be an accident?
No, it's not.
Well, what's left?
Somebody deliberately crashed.
And we've seen this in a couple of other instances.
One that was horrific was a flight, I believe it was Germany, That basically the co-captain did it, right?
So the captain went to the bathroom.
And if you recall, the co-captain methodically locked the cockpit door behind him, but did not allow him back in.
Right.
And what did he do?
He aimed straight to a mountain.
Right.
Knowing that he was going to kill himself and the entire cast.
And I mean, it's so chilling because when you listen to the cockpit voice record of the so-called CVR, you can actually hear the co-pilot banging on the door.
The flight attendant yelling, yelling, please let us in, but there's nothing you can do.
They walked out.
Horrific.
So that was a horrific incident in that the pilot did that.
Of course, I always talk about the fact that I'm afraid that someday we're going to have a jihadist behind.
A jihadi pilot, which has a related motive.
Yeah, yeah.
So I'm always afraid of that.
So, you know, you have to have a lot of trust in these pilots.
I mean, it's really like, you know, I likened it the other day to a surgeon that kills you on the operating table.
Yeah, and that's happened too.
I mean, you have had cases where you're not.
You have trust.
You put your trust in an individual to do what's right, right?
And then it turns out that they don't want to do what's right.
And in this case, the surgeon doesn't kill himself.
He kills you.
In this case, not only does the pilot kill himself, he kills everyone else and people on the ground.
So very, very bad.
Let's talk about Chip and Joanna Gaines.
They were kind of at the end of our list, but let's move them up a little bit because this is a very interesting situation.
You've got this couple and they're out of Magnolia, Texas.
And in fact, they have, they had such a magnet.
They're from Waco, Texas.
Pardon me?
Waco, Texas.
Waco, Texas, but Magnolia Texas.
It's called Magnolia is their company.
That's their company.
Sorry.
Yeah, of course.
And they created a very successful design business.
Isn't that right?
And there was also like a Magnolia restaurant and people would come to Waco slash restaurant to basically see what they were doing.
And now they have created a sort of a media network and a TV show.
Well, the controversy has to do with the fact that this couple, which is they're evangelical Christians, they have a strong evangelical Christian following.
In fact, they have been held up as exemplars in the evangelical community.
They are now promoting a show which apparently has a gay couple, but not just any gay couple.
It's not just that there's a design show and they happen to be gay.
The gay couple is also going out on media and saying, this is a way to legitimize the gay lifestyle.
We are out there to prove that the gay family is no different than any other family.
So I would say that these are, you know, in a way you could call them evangelical gays.
I don't mean that they're evangelical gays.
I mean that they are evangelistic about the gay lifestyle.
You knew where I was going with that.
And Chip and Joanna Gaines have dug in against, there were some early critics who said, hey, guys, what are you doing?
And they've dug in and said, you know, you people are haters and you need to discover true Christianity.
You know, you need to realize that.
And so suddenly there is a rift here.
And what do you make of it?
Well, first of all, I don't really think that Chip and Joanna Gaines are evangelical Christians, like in the sense like, you know, Billy Graham or, you know, Philip.
Yeah, because Franklin Graham came out and said, what are you guys doing?
Right, right.
What I hear is true.
I mean, it is true.
I don't think that that's the case.
I think it's more the case.
And you know, I talked to you about that, about J.D. Vance and his wife taking their babies to Disneyland and how they were like booed.
And I think in their mind, they can't understand how they're just not liked by the left.
They were flustered.
They were flustered.
Yes.
So I think Chip and Joanna know where the money comes from.
They know that they have to be cool.
They have to be on the cover of People Magazine.
They have to be on the cover of Newsweek.
They have to be on the Today Show.
They have to be on Good Morning America.
All of these places, and I mean every single one, would cut them off if they thought for one second that they were truly evangelical Christians.
I see what you're saying.
So you're saying that these guys recognize that the world of fashion and design is not only politically woke, but it's probably also heavily gay, right?
Gay designers, gay architects.
It's a gay milieu.
And so they've decided that we have to make our peace with it.
And not only that, we have to appear to promote it.
I'm not sure that they see anything wrong with it.
And I think that that is how they've built their empire.
Because I do think the minute they go Christian right, like truly go Christian right, like by saying we can't have a gay couple in the show, we have to adhere to this or that or whatever, they, or seen as Trump supporters, God forbid, you know, they will be shut off by all of these media places that like think that they're great.
They will just completely lose it.
And this is what happened to Trump.
Trump used to be super cool, right?
The minute he became Republican, it was like all bets are off.
Well, J.D. Vance used to be cool.
J.D. Vance used to be cool.
When he published The Hillbilly Elegy, he was kind of lionized.
And of course, there was a movie based on that book.
And so it may be that J.D., to some degree, got a false expectation.
Yeah.
And then when he is now in the political sphere, he goes, I mean, you know what he's thinking, right?
He's like, I'm the same JD.
But they're like, we don't care.
Right, exactly.
And that's what they would say about Chip and Joanna.
They would go, but we're the same Chip and Joanna.
No, you're not.
You're now a right-wing, crazy Christian Trump supporter.
So we hate you now.
And they don't want that.
They don't want that.
And so they are, they are, when Christians say that we're not of this world, right?
They want to be of this world.
They want to be of this world.
They don't just want to be in the world, but of this world.
They want to be of the world.
And unfortunately.
Yeah.
Now, if they don't care about their Christian convictions, you know, in some ways that is to be expected.
What makes it interesting is when you have someone who does have some genuine anchor in Christianity, and yet they are tempted by the recognition of the larger culture.
They are tempted by success.
They are in a conundrum because, you know, it's very much the conundrum of the rich man who came to Jesus, where the rich man says, I'm keeping the commandments.
You know, you can see Joe and Joanna and Chip say, hey, listen, we live a Christian life.
We keep the commandments.
But Jesus says, that's not enough.
He says, I want you to take up your cross.
And I think taking up your cross in this context means putting your faith first.
Yeah, because it's not the same.
And you know, I've always been this way.
You've been in the artistic world.
I've been in the artistic world and ballet and all of that all my life.
And I have a lot of gay friends that I adore.
And, you know, it's not about that at all.
It's not about loving people.
Christ commands us to love people.
And I do.
We love people.
But it's about condoning and making a lifestyle that is antithetical to Christianity.
And celebrating it and putting it in your face.
And not to mention the fact that if you don't wear a Christian badge and you do that, you are not.
But if you do, if you do have the Christian badge, the Christian label, then you are sending a mixed message and you are actually undermining people in their faith.
Because they look at you and they go, what kind of a example?
What kind of a leader I thought?
I think that this is where I kind of say, listen, they're not the leaders that you thought they were.
They're not pastors.
They're not trying to spokesmen for the Christian way.
They're not.
So if you don't like the show, just don't watch the show.
Don't be part of it.
Just don't be a part of it.
That's, you know.
Let's just close out with a comment about the Texas Coast Guard hero.
We wanted to acknowledge this guy.
Who is he and what did he do?
Just talk about what happened.
We're talking about the overflowing of the Guadalupe River.
We're talking about, it turned out to be sort of a mass casualty.
Oh, my gosh.
Yeah.
Well, okay, so so far, I think it's like 138 dead and like 115 or so still missing.
So this has been a catastrophic event in the state of Texas.
I mean, like we, this is like hurricane like proportion death toll, you know, and worse sometimes in some instances.
But this Coast Guard apparently was called when some of the campers were, you know, were evacuating.
And he, along with maybe two or three other people, got on a Coast Guard chopper, you know, helicopter.
And in the middle of the night, you know, or 4 a.m., whatever, still dark, went to the campsite.
And I believe he saved, I don't know, like 200 people single-handedly.
And so these guys don't get hailed as heroes enough, I think.
It's one thing.
He is a rescue swimmer.
I mean, that's why he joined the Coast Guard.
He's a rescue swimmer, so he's very talented at bat.
But can you imagine in the dark trying to save people that think they're going to drown you by yourself instead of them pulling you down with them?
You know, how are you able to grab 15 at a time or whatever and take them to safety?
I mean, that is just unbelievable heroism.
He could have died doing this.
And he did it because, you know, that is his job and his calling.
And it's so interesting that when you have any sort of a crisis, the crisis could be, you know, with the Russian waters.
It could be, you know, the, you know, the priests of England are forced to sign a declaration about Henry VIII.
I'm just giving the example drawn from the film on A Man for All Seasons.
And someone once told me that they were invoking the rule of 10.
And the rule of 10 is that out of all the priests in England, only one in 10 refused to sign and were thereby executed.
Nine out of 10 signed, right?
And so what that tells you is that there are heroes among us, but they're always few and far between.
The majority are going to go with the current, right?
And so it's always worth identifying who the guy is who wouldn't do that.
You know, the Soljunitsin in the Soviet Union, where he goes into the gulag, he documents the gulag.
He's already served eight years, but he puts his life at risk again.
This kind of heroism is not normal.
And it's very inspiring to see.
And so that's why it's really good that we just take a moment at the end to acknowledge that it happens right here and among ordinary people in America.
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