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THE ROAD TO SOCIALISM Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1123

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	Debbie and I are all, well, I noticed, honey, we're color coordinated and ready to hit our Friday Roundup.
	And I also noticed with the weather getting somewhat more on the humid side, your hair is going into 80s style.
	You were just making a comment that you just had your hair done.
	It was all very slick.
	Yeah, when she, yeah, you know, you blow dry it straight and it's like, oh, I have straight hair.
	And then this morning we went for a walk and boom.
	Like, I'm like, okay, that's.
	Well, I noticed that when times we've gone to tropical areas like Hawaii, your hair goes, I think we call it island girl.
	Kind of your island girl style, right?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Well, let's start.
	We're going to start on a little bit of a somber note because this week we had the terrible catastrophic flooding, the Guadalupe River.
	Over, what, 100 casualties?
	I think there are probably going to be about 300 casualties by the time this is all over.
	Because you were saying a lot of the missing.
	There's a lot of missing people.
	But one thing I wanted to say, of course, it's been a year since my mom passed away.
	Right.
	And, you know, dealing with sorrow and grief, I can only imagine.
	I've only lost my parents, you know, and aunts and uncles, but I can only imagine what these people are going through, having lost their children.
	In some cases, entire families didn't come home.
	Right.
	So our thoughts and prayers are within.
	I mean, you told me one case of a woman whose husband had died, and partly to help her daughter become cope with it, she said, okay, I'll send you off to camp.
	And then the little girl dies.
	I know.
	I mean, how sad is that?
	I can't even imagine.
	And I actually have a friend, and she's more, she grew up in Harlingen, and her granddaughter was one of the victims at Camp Mystic.
	Her name is Lila, and her name is Lila Bonner.
	And her parents have set up a GoFundMe.
	So if you happen to read this and you'd like to help, they've actually set up a fund for, it's called Lila's Light.
	And it's just basically to help animals affected by natural disasters because apparently she was an animal lover.
	She loved animals so much.
	And they feel like this would be something that she would want.
	And they have raised a lot of money for this cause.
	This is not for them.
	They have $400,000 so far already.
	Yeah, and it's to honor their daughter, which I can only imagine.
	Anyway, so her grandmother is the one that we're connected to.
	My friend Megan is good friends with her grandmother.
	And I knew her back from Harlem, Jen.
	You know, the interesting thing about all this is that this river, the Guadalupe River, has been for a long time the site of this Christian camp.
	In fact, I think you said it's something like 100 years.
	Over 100 years, yeah.
	But apart from the camp, there are lots of people who just go and camp out by the river.
	But you had this unprecedented swelling of the river.
	What was it?
	Something like?
	I think 26 feet over the banks, I believe.
	45 minutes.
	Which is just downright insane.
	Insane.
	And now the river has overflowed before.
	Yes, in the 80s, I do remember I was in college and I think I was, I don't even remember if I was, it was summer school or around there, but it swelled up a lot.
	I mean, you were at Texas State, so you were in that hill country area.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And but you said it didn't happen on the 4th of July.
	Yeah.
	And so that's why not, I mean, there were a lot of people that were affected by it, but it wasn't a holiday weekend.
	Right.
	Which I think is what makes it even more catastrophic.
	You know?
	And because this river has been known to swell like that.
	I mean, it does.
	It swells.
	But, you know, and everyone is blaming, you know, well, in one instance, they blamed the sheriff of Travis County.
	He is apparently a Democrat.
	Apparently, he's into the whole DEI thing.
	Well, I mean, Austin is a very left-wing part of Texas.
	But, you know, I'm not quick to go there because I do believe that natural disasters happen.
	And it's really not the fault of any one individual.
	Yeah, I mean, to take another example, you know, I saw a couple people sarcastically.
	In fact, there was an article in a newspaper, you know, showing a picture of Ted Cruz in Europe, as if to say he's to blame for this.
	Now, Ted Cruz, of course, didn't know this was about to happen.
	He's not even the governor of Texas.
	He was on a normal, I mean, the government has been doing a lot of stuff, so they probably got a break.
	Ted Cruz says, all right, I'll take some time with my family.
	He apparently cuts his trip short.
	He rushes back.
	So in this case, there is nothing blameworthy.
	That's ridiculous.
	His family, his family is being doxxed, and they are getting death threats, which is just ridiculous.
	You were just reading me some guy posting saying, in effect, this guy was messing with the climate like days before.
	Now, look, as we discussed on the show, this is a company that's on the frontier of new technology.
	And as he laid out, the point of this technology is to identify areas of the state, and by the way, of the country, where there's drought, where farmers can't grow crops, and to ask if there are ways to like use technology in a quite surgical and modest way to generate modest levels of rainfall where there is none.
	Even if, even if, which it wasn't the case because they stopped two days before, but let's just say that they hadn't.
	The amount of rain that cloud seeding produces is very tiny in comparison to what came down.
	So it was a case where the atmosphere was prime for that because of Barry.
	The broader message here is that we are quick to point out the stupidities of the left, right?
	So the left says basically, you use fossil fuels, you're altering the climate of the planet.
	Now, the climate of the planet, the temperature of the Earth, has increased by about a degree to a degree and a half in 100 years, right?
	So these variations of climate that we see are normal.
	Some years it's hotter, some years it's colder.
	Some years we have hurricanes, some years we have fewer.
	But there's no obvious discernible pattern to this variability.
	Because think about it, if it was proportional to the amount of human carbon put into the atmosphere, there would be a straight line increase in these catastrophes.
	It wouldn't be up and down.
	It wouldn't be, okay, we had it really bad, but it was as bad as it was in 1992.
	And that was the worst one since 1967.
	No.
	So, but if we are going to be skeptical of the left for saying stupid stuff, we shouldn't be generating stupid stuff on our own side.
	I recognize, and I raise this with Augustus, as I'm like, listen, you know, you are, when we interfere with nature, we have to calibrate the longer-term effects.
	Just like, by the way, it's kind of like saying, you know, you start interfering with human biology, you're going to have to consider the long-term effects of what you're doing.
	So caution is definitely in order.
	But this kind of quick to point the finger of blame.
	It's a witch hunt.
	It reminds me of the Salem witch trials.
	It's the mob mentality.
	Yeah, and it's a confusion of correlation with cause, right?
	This guy was doing something over here.
	There was a catastrophe over there.
	Therefore, what he did caused the catastrophe.
	Not necessarily, right?
	It's kind of like saying, well, you know what?
	I'm sweating and I see a lot of melting asphalt on the road.
	So my perspiration is causing the melting asphalt.
	Actually, no, the sun is causing both.
	You know what I mean?
	So you have to be very careful that correlations aren't automatically taken to be causing.
	And you have to, and also, you just have to be really careful that you are not endangering somebody's life based on a false person.
	I mean, this guy's a conservative.
	He's, from his own testimony, a Christian.
	He's motivated by the relief of human suffering.
	He's motivated by trying to put technology to a good use.
	And by the way, he's not saying that this technology over time, as it becomes more powerful, shouldn't be properly regulated.
	In fact, he says we need effective regulation.
	So it's very unfortunate that he's getting this kind of abuse.
	In our view, it is totally undeserved.
	Absolutely.
	All right, let's move on.
	Let's talk about the Epstein list.
	I just saw Alan Dershowitz yesterday, I believe it was.
	And Alan Dershowitz says that he is under some sort of a consent decree.
	But he goes, I've seen the list.
	He goes, there is a list.
	He goes, there is a list of people who were regular attendees at Epstein's Island.
	And so the idea that there is no list.
	Is he on that list?
	Well, he had been, they had said that he was on the list.
	Now, he vehemently denies it.
	And not only that, but he admits that he had had some dealings with Epstein, but he claims, you know, that these were in a legal context.
	He was never in any compromising situation.
	And he says there's not a shred of evidence to the contrary.
	So, you know, I take him at his word of that, but he is someone reasonably close to the situation.
	So if he says I've seen the list, there's got to be more there than they're letting on.
	I mean, don't you agree?
	I do agree.
	But, you know, as you know, of all of the things that are happening in this world, I'm going to say that's not on the top of my list.
	Yeah, you were saying that.
	So you're really, that's the position of Trump, right?
	Trump's view is we're trying to fix the country.
	Although maybe for a different reason.
	But I mean, his point is we've got really big things we're dealing with.
	Tariffs, we're dealing with the big, beautiful bill, the judges trying to thwart him.
	Why are we obsessed with Epstein?
	And I think here's why.
	I won't say I'm obsessed with it, but I think it is a priority, and here's why.
	There are two theories floating around, and they're not incompatible.
	Both could be true, or one could be true.
	Theory number one, that there are intelligence agencies, either of foreign governments or our own, who were using Epstein as a pawn.
	So, in other words, they told Epstein, you can do what you're doing.
	Just make sure that these cameras that you have in your apartments where all this compromised activity is going on, make sure we get a copy of all that footage.
	That would be, because we can then use it for the purposes of blackmail.
	That would be one possibility.
	Here's the second possibility.
	And that is, quite apart from the intelligence agencies, there are prominent Republicans and Democrats.
	And I'm talking about elected officials, donors, prominent institutional leaders on that list.
	And if it's from both parties, then neither party wants it to get out.
	And I'm not even saying that they are, like if Trump looks at the list, let's just say I'm Trump, and I look at the list and I see, for example, there are three senators and let's say a handful of congressmen on the list, right?
	I say to myself, I've got a three-senate majority in the Senate.
	If the list gets out, and let's just say these three Republicans have to resign, the Senate is now 50-50.
	We've lost the Republican Senate majority.
	Or what if, remember there was a rumor that Roberts was on that list?
	Chief Justice.
	Chief Justice Roberts.
	I do remember that.
	Well, I mean, what happened was it made me laugh because they were looking at the Epstein logs.
	Yeah.
	And there is a name on there, John Roberts.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Now, obviously, it doesn't say Chief Justice John Roberts.
	But he wouldn't have been Chief Justice then.
	He wouldn't have been Chief Justice.
	Now, admittedly, this is like having the name Tom Smith.
	I get that.
	But what if it really was him?
	And maybe that's the reason.
	Interesting.
	Well, let's just say that the fact that they have closed the file, and they have really closed the file, and they've closed the file to such a degree, I saw yesterday that Prince Andrew has now been cleared to visit America.
	He had been on some kind of a ban because, of course, he was compromised by the Epstein case.
	They've closed the case, so it's like it never happened.
	And yet, we have one guy who's dead, Epstein, and another woman who's in jail.
	Why did he commit suicide then?
	And why is Gillen Maxwell serving a 20-year prison sentence?
	I don't know.
	Is it because they had girls who came and massaged him?
	This doesn't make any sense.
	Yeah, I mean, look, we have a lot of conspiracy theorists on our side for sure, to be sure.
	And it only feeds the fire.
	I mean, it does.
	It only fuels the flame because everybody's going to want to know why.
	And it fuels the opponents of Trump.
	I mean, I see that some people on the kind of anti-Trump right, they're like, of course, we always told you MAGA's a fraud.
	Trump is a fraud.
	They promised to do this.
	They said they would release it.
	The second thing it's doing is it's empowering the critics of Cash Patel and Dan Bongino.
	And I think that this is unfair in this sense, that there is no way that Cash Patel and Dan Bongino are saying, we're going to make a decision to suppress this list.
	The people who say on social media, and they're quite a few of them, they're compromised, you know, they've become part of the deep state.
	This is all nonsense.
	But what is not nonsense is that if Cash Patel and Dan have the list, somebody else higher than them is then saying to them, you can't release it.
	Now, that is a very small group of people, right?
	Because if somebody comes to Cash Patel, let's just say it's John Ratcliffe, head of the CIA, and he says, guys, I don't want that list released.
	If I were Cash Patel or Dan, I would just call the White House and I would say, may I speak to the president?
	I'm getting a demand from the CIA not to release the list.
	I thought you wanted Mr. President us to release the list.
	What's your decision?
	So what I'm getting at is the decision has to be coming from the highest levels.
	That's why I went back into, because I'm not, far from engaging in a conspiracy theory, I'm just outlining rationally what are the possibilities.
	It has to be this or it has to be that.
	It really can't be anything else.
	And it can't be that there's nothing there.
	There is something there.
	Some people don't want us to know what that is.
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	I want to talk about the Big Beautiful bill because I think that even though the one bad thing about the bill has been highlighted, Elon Musk has been on the rampage.
	He's talked about a third party, and we can say a word about that.
	But the good elements of this bill are now going to start kicking in.
	So, for example, we've been living under the Trump tax cuts.
	If it wasn't for this bill, we would see an upward surge in taxation.
	That's not going to happen.
	These tax cuts have now been consolidated.
	Great.
	Number two, the unlocking of energy.
	All kinds of energy drilling.
	This is going to be good for gas prices.
	It's going to reduce our reliance on foreign countries.
	Very good.
	Interestingly, although there's an increase in funding for defense, which I think in some ways is needed, modernization, things that didn't happen under Biden is going to happen now.
	But a decrease of funding for the IRS.
	So remember they were talking about hiring all those 80,000 agents.
	That's not going to happen.
	So there's a scaling back of the IRS.
	So what I'm getting at is the Trump priorities one by one.
	And I haven't even mentioned immigration, 10,000 new agents, a lot more immigration enforcement.
	And it's going to be very difficult.
	You know, you were saying a day or so ago that when the Democrats come out against ICE, when they are militantly supporting these...
	Who is doing that?
	I mean, when you have an Antifa ring that is heavily armed, that is ambushing an ICE site.
	I mean, they could have had massive casualties.
	They did shoot one guy in the neck, and that's bad enough.
	But they had a trove of ammunition, all kinds of weaponry.
	And this was the most organized anti-fascist.
	And then there was one, I think, a day before that in Macallan, this one guy, you know, but who is fueling that?
	Like, who is funding it?
	Who's coordinating it?
	And again, Democrats are going to be known for the party of illegals and for the party of criminals, whether they like it or not.
	Actually, I think they might like it because they are backing it.
	They are backing it.
	And they're counting on the fact that, at least in the cities, which is where they have their strength, that it's not going to matter.
	I mean, look at Momdani.
	He is pro-criminal.
	He is defund the police in a city where safety is really important.
	I mean, Manhattan, as you know, is really tiny.
	A tremendous amount of high-end business goes on in Manhattan.
	There's the Diamond District, the meat packing district, Wall Street, the publishing world, all kinds of high-end stores.
	And unsafe New York is not New York.
	The people are going to start leaving.
	Stores are going to start closing down.
	A socialist New York would not have all those things either.
	Socialist New York would not have all those things either.
	And we'll come back to Mamdani.
	But before we get to Mamdani, any thoughts about the third party and the Elon Musk expedition?
	I'm kind of hoping he just, because Elon is a guy who he focuses on certain things and then he drops them.
	I'm just hoping he gets over this one.
	You know, I think this would be unintended consequences from the principled people that think that, you know, that we're going to bankrupt the country.
	Well, by default, they're going to cause that if the Democrats get a hold of the Senate, the Congress, the White House, because you know that the left doesn't care about finances, they don't care about the debt.
	So, by doing this, they're pulling the rug right from under any future of us railing in the spending.
	Because you know that the Democrats never will.
	So, unfortunately, the consequence of a third party is going to be the very opposite of what they want.
	We were talking about Massey, and Massey is contrary to what some people are implying, he's not a rhino.
	Trump hates him.
	Trump is actually going to try to have him defeated in the primary.
	They've apparently created a PAC to do that.
	But Massey is a case where you have a guy who's to the right of Trump.
	In other words, you have someone who is a dug-in conservative and somebody who actually wants deep cuts in spending.
	The problem for Massey is this.
	He has to know, he does know deep down that there is not a political majority to do what he wants.
	There just isn't.
	He probably cannot get that majority, even among the Republicans, to do the kind of cuts he wants.
	So he's out there in the House all by himself, kind of the way Rand Paul is in the Senate.
	So what Massey then does is goes, I'm a really principled guy, and so I'm going to keep voting no until I get my way.
	But it's so utopian because he's never going to get his way.
	And not only that, but he makes the best the enemy of the good.
	So in other words, you take a bill, the big beautiful bill, it has some bad things in it, but it has a lot of good things in it.
	Now, Massey could say, on balance, I still think it's the bad outweighs the good.
	But the problem with Massey is you can say, all right, I'll keep adding more good things, and he'll still vote against it.
	So he doesn't care ultimately about doing the cost-benefit analysis.
	He cares about the fact that unless you reduce the spending in a fiscally, in a manner that's going to make me fiscally at ease, I'm going to vote no.
	Right.
	And I don't know if he's doing this as a theatrical for show.
	I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt and say he's not doing it for show.
	He genuinely has the view, if we don't stop this spending, the country goes off the precipice.
	But it's going to go off the precipice if we lose the election.
	That is true.
	It's going to.
	So he's going to help Elon achieve that.
	And again, what are they going to do then?
	What are they going to do?
	They're not going to be able to do anything.
	I mean, the irony is that Elon Musk thinks that he is starting a party for the great majority in the middle.
	Yeah, that's true.
	But think about this.
	If that is true, how is it that his only allies right now, basically, and they're not even fully his allies because it's not like Rand Paul has said, I'm leaving the Republican Party to join the America Party.
	No, but his allies are really two.
	He's got basically Massey.
	He's got Rand Paul.
	So that alone should tell him that there's a lot of work to do, to put it mildly.
	Yeah, but also, though, the only thing that that's going to achieve, it's going to get those people that are maybe libertarians, maybe, you know, super like, oh, no, fiscally, I'm only a conservative fiscally, but I vote Republican.
	So instead of voting Republican, I'm going to vote for the America Party.
	Well, that portion, we're going to lose.
	And it really can be the Ross Perot effect again.
	Do we want that?
	I mean, don't people regret the Ross Perot vote that they did because we got Clinton?
	I mean, don't they regret that?
	They did.
	Now, Musk were very much at the very beginning of this.
	In fact, really the first day or two after this was announced, you might have seen there was a seeming filing with the FEC, the Federal Election Commission, and it looked like America Party, email, Elon Musk.
	And then you had some weird Indian guy who was apparently like the face of the party.
	I've seen parodies of it, but I haven't seen that.
	Yeah, yeah, no, no.
	So Elon Musk has now come out and said that that's a fake.
	That apparently someone, I don't know if they did that as a joke.
	It's a parody.
	That it's not a real filing.
	And that he has actually made some kind of an official complaint because, I mean, the tone deafness of having like, and in fact, people were making funny memes of like, you know, 72 Indian guys who all, you know, all H-1B visa guys who have somehow made up this new party.
	No.
	But, you know, Musk is, Musk, on the balance, I mean, I've always admired this guy.
	I think his step to buy Twitter is huge.
	He's changed the face of free speech in America.
	I'm still shadow banned on Twitter, though.
	You are shadow banned on Twitter.
	And I don't understand it, right?
	Because why would they ban you and not me?
	I don't know.
	Yeah, but you are essentially.
	I don't have that many.
	I had, I almost, well, I surpassed 100K followers on Twitter in 2021.
	I was up to like 130.
	I have been 95.8 for five years.
	Right.
	And not only that, but you sometimes will say, hey, retweet me.
	Oh, yeah.
	And I have 5 million followers and you think you'd get 1,000, 2,000.
	No, you don't even get like 10.
	So this means that there is an algorithm in place.
	I'm sure you're not the only one on it.
	There's a group of people.
	I used to be kind of violent, actually.
	I have violent.
	I've reformed, not violent in that sense, but I was a little, you know, a little more aggressive.
	Yeah.
	But I'm not like that anymore.
	But it doesn't matter.
	No, and I don't think it has anything to do with that.
	I think that there were in the regime of Jack Dorsey, which by the way was in itself a Biden-esque regime, by which I mean Jack Dorsey was sitting on a sacred pillar doing Neo-Buddhist Meditation and Vijaya Gade and all these Parag Agarwal, all these bad characters were rigging Twitter.
	That's when this happened to you, and it hasn't been undone.
	I think that's the point.
	Okay, let's talk about Zoran Mamdani and socialism.
	We finally have a guy.
	We've been hearing about the squad, and the squad is socialistic in that they have certain policies, but Mamdani is a hardcore.
	I mean, Trump even called him a communist.
	I wouldn't go that far because I think communism is an ideology of political tyranny combined with socialist economics.
	I think I would call his Islamo-communist.
	Right.
	In fact, who's the guy that we have a friend, Matthew Farachi, who's on X, and he came up with the phrase, what is it, Islamunist.
	Islamunist.
	I think that's accurate, actually.
	Yeah.
	And so you think the communist is not going too far?
	I don't think so, no.
	Because you're saying that embedded in these guys is always true.
	What is socialism?
	It is a state-run economy, right?
	So it is state control.
	And you're saying if they're willing to do state control in the economic sphere, who's to say that they won't use state control in every other sphere?
	I don't know.
	Right.
	Censorship, restriction of who can come in or leave New York, restrictions on whether you can sell your apartment, restrictions on your Second Amendment rights.
	He's probably basically socialist across the board.
	And what have you read about Venezuela?
	Well, basically, Eric Adams is now saying, and Eric Adams, very interesting.
	I don't think he would speak like this in the past.
	He's like, Mamdani is taking us down the road to Venezuela, that Mamdani wants rent control.
	He wants to take over high-rise condos that he claims are, quote, investment properties.
	No one's living in them.
	So I can take them over and basically give them out to whoever I want here.
	This is very Ugo Chavez.
	You know, the scene you actually alerted us to this.
	Hugo Chavez is walking down the street and confiscating.
	Expropriate this, expropriate that.
	Businesses, condos.
	You're not living in your condo.
	Come on, homeless person.
	You camp out in their condo, and if they come back from their trip, it's no longer their condo.
	Right.
	Call us and we'll make sure you can stay there.
	That's amazing stuff.
	Yeah.
	Oh, and groceries.
	I mean, like, if he does a state-run grocery store.
	Yeah, the same thing.
	You get an allotment.
	Today, you can buy one loaf of bread.
	You can't come back and buy another one.
	Now, in fairness to Mom Donnie, he is saying, and by the way, I talked about this, how he's running some bogus economics.
	He thinks there's some money in the budget, which there isn't.
	But he says, I'll use this money to create five grocery stores.
	I think he means one in each borough, right?
	One in Manhattan, one in the Queens, one in the Bronx.
	So he would say, or at least his defenders would say, he's not talking about taking over the grocery supply of New York.
	He's talking about having single, but at least that's what he says.
	Or like you say, that's the beginning.
	Oh, yeah.
	Right?
	I mean, even Ugo Chavez began slowly.
	Yeah.
	I, you know, to be honest, if you were to ask me, what do you think is more dangerous for this guy to take New York down the path of socialism or to take New York down the path of Sharia?
	I would have to say Sharia.
	Right.
	Now, there's every indication so far.
	Now, Mamdani is Right.
	And Trump has, by the way, said something like, look, if things get out of hand over there, we'll just have to take it over.
	But you know, there are cities like Dearborn, Michigan that when you see videos of them, you're like, wait, is that Iran?
	Is that Jordan?
	No, UAE.
	Oh, wait, that's Dearborn, Michigan.
	Uh-oh.
	And we've seen those videos also all over England.
	Oh, yes.
	And they're called no-go zones.
	So you can't go to those zones if you're not Muslim.
	Well, initially, I thought that these no-go zones were like, you know, five streets, but it now seems that you've got whole towns with the mayor is an Islamic, you know, not an Islamic mullah, but essentially kind of, right?
	Because you're talking about an Islamic activist, to put it mildly, who is very much part of that elaborate network of the Muslim Brotherhood.
	So let's spell it out here a little bit.
	You know, I, of course, had Imam Tahidi on the podcast.
	And I think Tahidi is a really good guy.
	What he's trying to do is restore, I would call it, a kind of original Islam in contrast to radical Islam.
	And what Tahidi is saying is that the Islam, the Islamism, as he puts it, that we're seeing now is a misappropriation of Islam.
	So I think it's actually good.
	We often talk about where are the good mallahs who are trying to do their part.
	He is one of them.
	But the question is, how influential is he compared to, I think he would also admit that like the Muslim Brotherhood is feeding its literature, its propaganda into mosques worldwide.
	And therefore, the other side, as he would have it, is got far more traction than he does, even though he's doing his best.
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	Let's talk about Russia collusion.
	I had Miranda Devine on the podcast, well, just yesterday.
	And I think the real question here is twofold.
	One, are we going to see any consequences for Clapper, Comey, Brennan?
	And two, which I think is even more remote, by the way, Hillary or Obama, because they are the masterminds.
	Yeah, well, you know, you were talking just now about the fact that Cash Patel and Dan Bongino have all of a sudden said, you know, we're not releasing any.
	There is nothing there.
	So you're like, they're not the ones in charge.
	They really aren't.
	They get their directives from someone higher up, right?
	So remember, the FBI reports to the DOJ.
	That's Pam Bondi.
	Right.
	And Pambondi reports to Trump.
	Right.
	So who then reported, who did they report to?
	You know, Brennan and Comey.
	Who did they report to?
	Obama.
	Yes.
	Holder, right?
	Right.
	Holder and Obama.
	So, and we know that, and Miranda talked about this, that Obama had an infamous meeting.
	All these guys were there.
	Comey was there.
	Brennan was there.
	I don't know if Clapper was there, but I think he was.
	And it explicitly came up, hey, the Hillary people want to get Trump on this Russia collusion.
	And I think what Obama said is, let's help them.
	Now, how can Obama help them?
	Well, here's how he can help them.
	He can help them by creating an intelligence apparatus that creates a fake assessment.
	But in order that nobody finds out it's fake, classify it.
	So once you classify it, it is essentially now in the clouds.
	It is now in hiding.
	It's in a locker, right?
	But since it's in a locker, there's something in there.
	You can now go and leak to the media whatever you want to.
	The media will never see what's in the locker.
	They will take your word for it.
	But you say, hey, listen, I'm not just making this up.
	There is an intelligence assessment.
	So the intelligence assessment is itself fake.
	Then you leak it to an eager media, which is very, which has the knives already drawn out for Trump.
	And they were, as Miranda said, successfully able to paralyze a Republican presidency for two full years based upon this.
	So, see, what's funny is I saw, when I saw a report about Brennan, Barbara McQuaid, who's a left-wing pundit, says something like, it's retribution time for Trump.
	And I'm thinking, exactly right.
	If you have illicitly paralyzed my presidency for two years on a bogus suspicion, you know, I deserve retribution.
	Retribution is another name for justice.
	You tried to get me, lock me up, discredit me, and you failed.
	You tried to ruin me.
	Now it's my turn to ruin you.
	So I don't even say, you know, some people are like, well, don't talk about retribution.
	We're talking about upholding the law.
	We are upholding the law.
	We are talking about justice.
	Retribution is a synonym for justice in this case.
	Well, they were lawless to do it.
	They were lawless to do it.
	And Trump should really use every tool at his disposal to punish them, not only because they richly deserve it, but to send a message that this is not going to happen again.
	Yeah.
	But the dear boy Obama, he's not going to ever get that.
	He's never going.
	He is such a well-protected person that I believe no one will ever get him.
	So why is that?
	Do you think that that's because if, let's just say, I don't think Pam Bondi would do this, but let's just say.
	Oh, exactly.
	Pam Bondi wouldn't do it, but Eric Holder would.
	Eric Holder would.
	Let's say that there is a Matt Gates, who was obviously Trump's original nominee.
	Doesn't matter who that is.
	That person indicts Obama.
	Are you saying what do they have to worry about?
	When you say he's so protected, by whom?
	Are they worried about riots on the street?
	Are they worried about?
	Well, they're worried that, I mean, he was, like I said, he's so well connected, well protected.
	He would have law firms defending him.
	He would have a massive media outcry.
	My point is, I always come to the question of so what?
	Because if a guy isn't, now, here would be my worry.
	If Obama is tried in Washington, D.C., it would be almost impossible.
	Well, he would be exonerated.
	Exactly.
	100%.
	So the question then becomes, is it possible...
	Right.
	Well, not even our town.
	Is it possible to indict him in Virginia where he would be tried by a more balanced jury, which wouldn't be what I call the January 6th juries?
	Yeah, somebody's enamored with him.
	They would probably, it would be a hung jury at best, yeah.
	He's just never going to.
	I mean, I just don't, I don't see it.
	And the other thing is the Clintons.
	I mean, look at those guys.
	These people, think of what they've been involved with, right?
	Going all the way back to Whitewater.
	Think of Clinton was credibly charged with.
	Why do you think he was called Slick Willie?
	Right.
	Exactly.
	He was very much implicated in the failure to get bin Laden before 9-11.
	Oh, yeah.
	He had multiple chances to get him.
	He didn't.
	And he was somehow no accountability.
	So they have lived a charmed life, I have to say.
	They have.
	I don't think they have a charmed marriage, but they've lived a charmed life.
	By the way, speaking of charmed-The Obamas don't either, it looks like, huh?
	And it's actually coming out from Michelle.
	Now, Michelle has put out four or five more than hints because she has flat out said, she even said something like, well, you know, I'm sort of glad we didn't have a boy.
	He might have, he would have turned out like Barack.
	And the implication was, thank God, one Barack is too much to handle.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	So she does not admire him.
	And she's not, she doesn't have genuine affection for him.
	It doesn't look like.
	No.
	She seems to have largely separated her life from him.
	And she is now, well, first of all, you made an interesting statement, which was you said the two of them are narcissists linked to each other, right?
	But they are each the sun and the moon together in their own mind.
	So Obama's sun, by sun here, I mean S-U-N, the sun, is Obama.
	And Michelle's moon is Michelle.
	And so this makes for a very bad relationship.
	And now there are some people who think, you know, Michelle is a man and their relationship is perverted in that way.
	We don't think that.
	But what does seem apparent is that they have, if they ever were close, and that's itself doubtful, they're pretty distant now.
	Michelle is, by the way, I think it's great that she's doing this podcast because the level of abuse she gets from her own podcast is volcanic.
	I think it's because there was a myth cultivated in the Obama presidency.
	In fact, even you bought into it to a degree because you'd be like, I hope Michelle Obama doesn't run.
	And I'd be like, don't worry about Michelle.
	She's not Michelle or Oprah.
	Michelle or Oprah.
	But you thought she would be Michelle, a formidable candidate.
	And I knew that Michelle has always been a dud.
	Yeah, I know.
	But look at how many people.
	And it's now coming out.
	Look at how many people voted for Kamala Harris.
	I mean, the fact that she got that many votes, I don't know how many were legit, but she got a lot of legit votes.
	She got a lot of votes.
	I think that people are just that dumb.
	I really do.
	Yeah, there's no question that ultimately when a country goes down, it goes down because its leadership is bad and corrupted.
	But how does the leadership get so corrupted?
	It's because the citizenry is corrupted and they ultimately, I mean, this is what happened in the Roman Empire, that you had a deterioration.
	The Roman legions weren't as formidable as they used to be.
	And the Roman senators were not of the quality that they used to be.
	And the Roman emperors became increasingly perverted.
	But behind all that, you had a corrupt citizenry that had itself become degraded and debased and lost its moral compass and lost its kind of physical hardness that it had.
	The hardness that built the empire was gone.
	And the question we have to ask, and this would be the hardest question for MAGA to ask, is the hardness that built America something that you can actually restore?
	And I think that remains a little bit of an open question.
	Let's turn to our final topic, and it's Hollywood.
	So let me tell you about this new Superman movie.
	Mm-hmm.
	The Superman movie Starring I'm just kidding.
	No, I know.
	It is funny.
	It is funny these days because actually our friend Bruce told me, he goes, you know, he goes, read Brandon's comments.
	And a number of people.
	And the funny thing is Brandon's only 31, so he probably doesn't even know really who this guy is.
	Like, you know, who's Christopher Reeves?
	He wasn't raised on Christopher Reeves or that.
	Yeah, because I saw Superman in like 1980, which was well before those characters were born.
	Right.
	So, but, but they do have a similar look.
	Yeah, and more than look, it's something also in their manner which conveys that.
	But back to the Superman movie.
	So the director or the main guy in the movie was giving an interview and he goes, Superman is an immigrant.
	Think about this, right?
	And he goes, Superman is an immigrant, and he is here to teach us the value of the outsider, the value of compassion, the value of love.
	Let me guess.
	He's an MS-13 gang member.
	Exactly.
	So I posted, are you talking about Kilmar Obrego Superman?
	Is this?
	Oh, dude, I didn't even know that.
	I didn't know you knew that.
	Well, this is what this guy is going for, right?
	And not only that, but he takes it one step further and he goes, and if you're not on board with it, you're not an American.
	Think about this.
	So I'm thinking to myself, you know, first of all, you tried this woke routine, Disney did, right?
	Right before Snow White.
	Epic fail.
	Epic fail.
	Massive bomb.
	And then they didn't even get it.
	They thought they were blaming the actress, even though, yes, the actress contributed to it, but it was a woke plot.
	It was woke from top to bottom.
	And here, it's not just that the director's message is bad.
	It's that you have a director directing a movie, and he doesn't get what makes the movie successful.
	Well, who's the actor?
	I'm not sure who the actor is because we're not talking here about the Superman character.
	But remember, the actor is going to follow the direction of the director, right?
	If the whole idea here, Now, Superman in the story of Superman is coming in from the outside, but he's not an illegal who sneaks across a fence.
	You know what I mean?
	Superman ultimately is related to a cosmic kryptonite.
	Well, a cosmic struggle between good and evil, which is given a certain animated or comic representation, right?
	Here's the Marvel comics.
	You have Superman, you have the evil guy, you have the Joker.
	And so the rivalry between the cosmic good guy, and that's really the plot of Superman.
	You don't get that.
	But what happens is you have this director, this obvious freakoid, and he comes in, he goes, that's not what it's about.
	It's not really about good and evil, or it is about good and evil, but the good is the Kilmar Abrego Superman, and the evil is all the people who don't want...
	Who are trying to stop him.
	So this is Hollywood circa.
	Que loco.
	Right?
	And they put hundreds of millions of dollars into these movies.
	Good luck with that.
	Yeah, they're going to destroy.
	I mean, they're sinking the whole Hollywood ship.
	But I think, you know, it's like Harvard.
	Isn't it a good thing at some level?
	Because they.
	Well, that's why, you know, that's why we support the Angel Guild network.
	We support the Angel Guild.
	We make movies ourselves.
	Exactly.
	We want to get out of that Hollywood mold and just let people know, you know what?
	You have an alternative.
	You don't have to watch these crazy movies.
	We have really good movies that you can watch instead.
	Why don't you try to do that?
	We do need a type of Netflix because Netflix is very ideological.
	Oh, yeah.
	It is probably worth mentioning, there's no reason not to, that Netflix purchased one of our movies for a lot of money, seven figures, to be honest.
	They bought it.
	They bought the rights to it, and they decided never to show it.
	They did not show it.
	Right?
	So what are they doing?
	They're essentially paying money to take a movie out of circulation.
	And they're rich enough that they can afford to do this.
	And the funny thing is people ask, oh, is the movie going to be on Netflix?
	Because they innocently don't know that Netflix is super left-wing.
	Super left-wing.
	And the head of Reid Hastings, one of the key founders of Netflix, is an Obama worshiper.
	Well, isn't Obama on the board?
	Well, I don't know if he's on the board, but they gave him an ungodly amount of money to make films.
	Think about it.
	Obama doesn't even know how to make a film.
	You have this low IQ guy from Occidental College.
	And all Obama's titles are fake, by the way.
	Isn't it interesting these days when information is being leaked, like Mamdani's, how he tried to pose as a black guy?
	I would love to see leaked Obama's grades.
	It's not going to happen.
	Obama's thesis at Columbia, which I'm sure is as semi-illiterate as Michelle's.
	That's why I say he's well protected and connected.
	He's well protected.
	He's well connected.
	And I mean, think of it, the ability to get Columbia University to suppress your grades and suppress your thesis.
	Maybe the Trump administration to say, well, you know, we'll stop, we'll allow you to keep your tax exempt status.
	Let us see Obama's grades.
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