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CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1114
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Coming up, W and I here for our Friday roundup.
We're going to talk about the clash of civilizations.
Is there a clash between Islam and the West?
How Trump pulled it off with Israel and Iran, the issue of whether Jews today are the true descendants of the ancient Israelites, whether immigration from the third world should be banned, and the theology and politics of the young men with the highest IQ in the world.
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Debbie and I are looking forward to, well, we've got a pretty wide menu for today's roundup, just because there's so much going on.
But let's start, honey, with this Zoran Momdani, who is now the Democratic nominee for mayor of New York.
And you were saying a moment ago that this is significant on more than one front, that it's him and that it's New York.
So what's the significance?
Right, right.
Well, first of all, he's Islamic.
Some people say that he is a radical Islamist because he supports groups that support Hamas.
And that, of course, is a terrorist organization.
So by default, he supports terrorism, right?
Because if he supports these groups, then what are you going to, you know, how are you going to deduce it, right?
So I think that that's problematic given the fact that almost 25 years ago, New York, well, America through New York, was attacked by Islamic radicals.
How ironic that almost 25 years later, the mayor of New York just might be Islamic.
I mean, that is kind of a slap in the face, isn't it?
And then the other aspect.
I mean, I know, remember after 9-11, remember they had talked about building a mosque?
Yes, absolutely.
And there was a huge controversy.
The idea was, of course, nixed.
Yeah.
And in some ways, what you're saying is it could be realized in a simple different.
I'm not saying he's going to go build the mosque, but I'm saying he represents the mosque is kind of where you're going.
That's right.
That's right.
It's almost like, see, we told you so, because you know, they talk about how they conquer places.
Yeah.
That's like a conquer to me.
I mean, it is.
And it's a particular accomplishment because you think that New Yorkers of anyone would be alerted to, if anything, we want to resist this, right?
And so to be able to rely on the customary historical amnesia of Americans so that even something that happened well within our memories, well within our lifetimes, we're not even talking about the Cold War or the Vietnam War.
We're talking about something in this century.
And yet it's like 9-11, what?
That's right.
That's right.
And the other irony is that New York, New York City, is seen as the epicenter of capitalism in the world, right?
It is.
It's the epicenter of capitalism.
To have a socialist mayor supported by Bernie Sanders, by the way, and AOC.
And today, or yesterday, I guess it was, Chuck Schumer kind of gave him the old man's blessing by saying, we've worked together.
I'm looking forward to meeting you.
So this is the Democratic establishment in drawing him in.
That's right.
Maybe in part out of fear, right?
They might be a little worried that the young guard, more radical, perhaps even than they are, is rearing their heads to displace the old guard.
So the old guard is trying to hold on as much as it can.
Right, right.
Well, that's scary because the things that he, and you can talk about all the things that he has planned for.
Here are a few more.
So he wants rent control, rent stabilization, elimination of any fares on city buses.
So you ride the city bus for free.
He wants departments of community safety to sort of replace the cops, a 2% tax on residents earning over a million dollars annually.
You can See right away, people are going to start looking for the exit, raising the corporate tax to 11.5%.
This is, by the way, on top of federal taxes.
He wants to protect tenants, he wants fast-track, affordable housing developments.
And here's a very telling one: city-owned grocery stores, right?
Yeah.
Now, grocery stores operate on margins of one or two percent.
Okay, all I can think about is Hugo Chavez.
That's what he did to all of the grocery stores.
They became federalized.
Didn't you tell me that they even had some kind of a stamp that was put on products?
You could not go back and get another product.
And not just that, but didn't it say something like made in socialism?
Made in socialism.
Echo ensocialismo.
Socialismo.
Wow.
So this guy, he has a pedigree.
And now here's something very interesting.
Let's look at the people who voted for him.
I think some of the MAGA guys are, well, they're not wrong, but they're maybe not seeing the complete picture, right?
Because there's a bunch of them saying, oh, this is what you get when you have these third world immigrants.
And remember, they're talking even about legal immigrants.
That's right.
And this is a topic we might come back to.
But what they're saying is that you've got 35% of people in New York are foreign-born.
So this is what you get.
Now, here's the problem with that theory.
Cuomo leads Mamdani among voters without a four-year college degree, 61 to 39.
Mamdani leads Cuomo among college-educated voters, 62 to 38.
I mean, so think of what an indictment this is of our education system.
That's number one.
Here's number two.
It's college-educated whites, especially women, who are voting for this dude.
So, in fact, among working-class communities, white or Hispanic or black, there's much greater skepticism about him.
So, if New York were all white, this guy would win by an even bigger margin.
Now, let's be fair, though.
I mean, we are talking about white Democrats.
We're not talking about white Republicans.
Aren't they the majority in New York?
That's it.
That's the point.
And so I think that the people who are trying to draw the lesson out of this are drawing the wrong lesson.
They're drawing the wrong lesson.
And the lesson is we just need, I think, to gut our education department, reorganize public education, attack these propaganda factories called universities.
Some of this is going on, by the way, and it's all to the good.
But here's what I posted.
Socialism is the weapon that the elites use to control the distribution of wealth and steal from the working class.
And this is what they are, quote, educated to do.
So when you say that they're educated, they're educated in this larceny.
They see it as a moral thing, I think.
Well, what it is, I think it's moral cover.
In other words, when you're a thief, it's really nice if you can portray yourself as a champion of social justice.
I'm not stealing from you for my own benefit.
I'm stealing from you for your benefit.
But don't you think, though, that there are some people that truly believe that they're doing it for the good?
Yeah, these are the people, by and large, who are the sheep.
They're the people who get propaganda.
They're brainwashed.
You're not some well-meaning student who's sitting in class.
The professor is far more diabolical and cunning.
The professor is protecting his or her interests as a member of the elite.
An elite, by the way, that is seeing some of its power being eroded.
But the student thinks, oh no, my professor is so wise.
They're so smart.
They know so much.
They've read so much.
They're just telling me the way it is.
No, they're not.
That's right.
They're protecting their own privileges.
That's right.
No, it's really, it is extremely scary.
I mean, New York, if he becomes mayor, New York will be completely changed, transformed, and not for the good.
I mean, New York has been going downhill since the days of Giuliani and even Bloomberg, who did a very good job as mayor.
And since then, I mean, it was de Blasio.
So it's New Yorkers, in a way, have had, they've seen it both ways.
They've seen New York with high crime, the 70s.
Yeah, but don't they see that when New York has been with low crime, it's with a Republican mayor?
Don't they understand that?
This is the part that we really do need to think about.
Because look, you've got a very left-wing mayor in Boston, Michelle Wu.
You have Chicago.
They got rid of one horrible mayor, and they got another one that's, if anything, even worse.
From the frying pan to the fire.
Look at Los Angeles.
Look at New York.
So there's a pattern here where it looks like, you know, the pigs, if you will, like to live in slop.
I mean, how else can you put it, right?
Because they experience it.
And not only that, New York had a chance to vote for Lee's Elden.
That's right.
They had a chance to go a different route.
They want to go down this route.
And so to some degree, I suppose at some point, you just have to sit back and say, all right, well, enjoy it.
You get what you vote for.
Exactly.
You want to live this way.
And when I say live this way, you can't, you know, you and I experienced this to some degree in Houston.
There are certain neighborhoods where we would not, we certainly wouldn't walk around.
Well, we're even reluctant to park our cars.
And so we will have someone drive us in.
We'll eat dinner or go to a play and we'll come back.
Now, I mean, this is like, I suppose this is luxury living.
A little bougie.
But we're doing it out of necessity.
Meaning, we're doing it because we don't think it's safe.
I mean, a little bit safe.
A little bit out of fear, yes.
Yeah.
We don't think it's all that safe to function normally.
Yeah.
Whereas you should be able to function normally.
Not in the traffic.
Traffic is horrible.
But all right.
Let's shift gears and talk about Trump and Iran.
Here's a CNN poll.
83% of Republicans and 79% of Democrats do not want Iran to get a nuclear weapon.
And there was another poll which showed that both among Republicans in general and MAGA voters, Trump's action is overwhelmingly popular.
And I say this because there was a lot of talk for really several days about the MAGA divide, the Republican divide.
The base is divided.
And the simple truth of it is, the base is not divided.
The base is overwhelmingly on one side.
And just some of the prominent MAGA guys, whom I like, went out on a limb thinking that they were carrying the base with them, but they were not carrying the base.
And, you know, I was discussing this a little bit with Danielle the other day.
And she's like, well, she's like, the base does not want regime change.
The base did want the strike on the nuclear facilities, the crippling of Iran's facilities.
But I think that the base does want regime change.
The base just doesn't want us to commit troops to do it.
But wanting regime change and sending troops are two different things.
Well, I was just looking because this morning, remember I told you that the, what is the organization, the Atomic Energy Organization Commission?
They said that 900 pounds of enriched uranium are missing from Iran.
Right.
And so right there, that tells you.
What does that tell you right there?
All this stuff really, I mean, you know, not only that, of course, I know what it tells me.
It tells me that they were racing their way to get a bomb.
Even when CNN says things like, you know, reports are showing that Iran's nuclear facilities were damaged, but they were not decimated.
Think of what that is conceding.
It's conceding that these people were well on their way to getting a bomb.
And guess what?
We've only set them back 50%, or we've only set them back.
We haven't stopped them completely.
So CNN went from arguing, oh, they're not building a bomb.
You know, Joy Reid goes, why would we want to stop them from peacefully developing atomic energy?
This is Joy Reed.
So first they deny it.
Then they go to the other extreme where they say in effect, yeah, they do have these nuclear facilities, but you didn't do a very good job in accomplishing your mission of truly degrading them.
Yeah, I mean, that is craziness to me.
And really, you know, I just don't trust the Iranian government.
I don't trust those guys.
You know, this came up in my conversation this week with Frank Gaffney, where he was saying, if you leave them in power, you might think you've accomplished your mission.
We've gotten rid of these nuclear facilities, but you've got the mullahs and their intentions remain the same.
If anything, they're now wounded and they're more determined than ever to rebuild.
Moreover, they have the full knowledge of how to make bombs and they have the ability.
They are very smart people and they're a country of 80 million people.
And they're very resourceful.
And my thinking is to tell the State Department, have you seen any ships going to Venezuela?
And you know what I mean?
Well, I mean, they've got links to North Korea.
They've got links to Russia.
There are places where they can import stuff.
That's right.
So we should not be too complacent because it's kind of like saying, you know, the bad guys had a kind of weapons dump and I've blown up the weapons dump.
But they still know where to get weapons and they remain bad guys.
So they go and they leave weapons at their neighbor's house.
They go to their family, their mom's house.
They go put them over there.
And so sure, you know, you bomb the house thinking that you've bombed all the weapons.
But guess what?
They actually are ahead of you and they have put weapons in other places so that they're not completely out of weapons.
You know why this topic I think has caused, particularly among young people, so much kind of confusion and even distortion?
It's because in a way, I think Bush and McCain, Romney, Cheney, in a way, they put us on the wrong path with Iraq.
Right.
And what they taught us with the Iraq war was not only that there are no WMDs, but you cannot trust what the government says at all.
Don't believe the officials.
Well, I mean, we made the analogy to COVID.
Excellent analogy.
When we have a virus that will literally kill 90% of the population, nobody's going to take it seriously.
You're saying, imagine there was a highly contagious type of Ebola where you get massive sores all over your body, like the bubonic blade of the 14th century.
Or like Ebola.
Or like Ebola itself, which wasn't so highly contagious.
Then people will say, you lied to us before.
I'm not believing you now.
And then what happens?
They won't get vaccinated.
They won't seclude themselves.
They won't take reasonable steps.
Yeah.
And they probably won't trust.
I mean, this is part of what happens when you sell a vaccine on the media.
The medical community.
They won't trust the medical community.
Yeah.
Or the pharmacist or anyone else.
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Let's look at something that Trump posted because this is so classic, Trump.
I started to read it to you, but I'm going to read you some of it now.
Stupid AOC, one of the dumbest members of Congress, is calling for my impeachment.
Despite the fact the crooked and corrupt Democrats have done that twice before, the reason for her rantings is all of our victories that the USA has had under the Trump administration.
The Democrats can't, they aren't used to winning.
They can't stand the concept of our country being successful.
And then here's Trump going into his own zone.
When we examine her test scores, we will find out that she is all caps not qualified for office.
But nevertheless, far more qualified than Crockett, who is a seriously low IQ individual, Ilhan Omar, who does nothing but complain about our country, yet the failed country that she comes from doesn't have a government, is drenched in crime and poverty, is rated one of the worst in the world, if it's even rated at all.
And I'm only about halfway.
I know.
That's about as far as you read to me.
Right.
And I think what I find here is, you know what I think is interesting about Trump is that he surfs right in between kind of polemic and comedy, right?
Or he surfs right in between objective description and like one-liners.
More recently, he had this post where he was talking about Iran and he goes, those Iranians are really nice.
He goes, they gave me a call and they told me, how about 1 p.m.?
Can we drop a few bombs at 1 p.m.?
And Trump goes, I told them that's about as good a time as any.
We cleared everybody out.
And so I want to thank the Iranians for having given us this advanced note.
Do you think that was even true?
No, I think it is true.
I think it is true because I think that, I mean, I'm not saying that the Iranians got Trump on the phone, right?
But what I'm saying is Trump is obviously rubbing it in.
Yeah, no, he's trolling them.
He's trolling them, but he's also doing straight stand-up for the American audience.
And yet, he's also telling the truth.
Because what he's saying is that these Iranians wanted to make a pretense of striking back because they didn't really want to strike back because then we would strike back on them 10 times or 100 times more.
And they knew that.
So all of this is being telegraphed in this very whimsical type of Trumpian rhetoric.
And what it tells me is that we are living through this era with a kind of gifted comedian in the White House, and we won't have this again.
No, I love when you say that when God made Trump, he threw away the mold.
He threw away the mold.
Well, I mean, I've had this sort of deja vu, even with Reagan, when I was sitting back and I was watching the Berlin Wall come down.
Now, Reagan by that time was out of office.
Yeah, he was.
But then almost like I look back at Reagan, I was like, we won't see.
But it was his doing.
It was his doing.
And I was like, we're not going to see Reagan.
And I was right because think of the miserable, think of the succession of what came out of the world.
We've never seen another Reagan.
Yeah, and until Trump, we did not have a figure of Reaganite dimensions.
And now we do, and they're very different in many ways, as you know.
But Trump is also one of these inimitable characters, like they say.
And later we might get a Rubio, we might get a Vance, we might get somebody else.
Or a Brandon.
Or a Brandon Gill.
Maybe not in our lifetime.
Yeah, I asked you that.
I said, you know, do you think that Brandon can ever be president?
And do you think we'll be alive when he is?
Well, my answer to the first question is from early indications, yes.
And I'm just saying that not just because I think you know me well enough.
With Brandon, he has that, it's not just that he's the full package, but he has a little bit of that sort of generi, that quality you cannot put your finger on that elevates you and makes, gives you that star quality.
That's a very important quality, particularly it's gravitas, but it's also there's a certain, there's a likability factor, there's an awesh shucks factor where you get the sense, even when he's questioning these people, he's not mean-spirited about it.
In fact, when he was recently grilling one of these Democratic witnesses about testing male teens, was it testing them for pregnancy?
For pregnancy, male trans teens.
Right.
You could see, like, Brandon was chuckling because he was like...
Exactly.
Yeah.
Exactly.
How do you do it with a straight face?
Right.
How do you do it with a straight face?
Yeah, that's why.
All right.
What's next?
Really something.
Really, really something.
So the Biden impeach.
Oh, yeah.
So, you know, this whole, the call to impeach Trump, you know, by these Democrats because he didn't consult them about Iran.
And I was like thinking, well, did Biden's pen ever, and notice I said Biden's pen because it could be interpreted different ways, did he ever reach out to Congress about anything he did?
No.
Right?
No.
Look, Biden, Obama, Clinton, all of them took similar aggressive actions in foreign policy.
None of them were congressionally approved.
And you'd have to go back to the Gulf of Tonkin resolution in Vietnam.
And even that was not, Congress did not declare war.
It was merely we approve a resolution telling the president to act.
That's pretty much it.
And you'd have to go back to World War II to an actual declared war.
It actually could have been extremely dangerous for Trump to say anything to Congress, given that we have terrorists in Congress who would have given the mullahs probably like a wink-wink, this is coming your way.
This, I think, is a mark of how our politics is different from in the past.
From in the past, you know, Democrats might have opposed, but I don't think that you could say, oh, let's just say in the era of the Cold War.
Enemies among us?
No way.
Yeah.
The idea was that, you know, we Americans agree that communism is bad.
The Soviets are our enemy.
We disagree about whether we need to do arms control treaties and tame them by signatures on a piece of paper or by building the MX missile, as Reagan thought.
But the idea that you have people who have Somalian interests at heart or have Palestinian interests at heart, Hamas interests at heart.
But now that is something we genuinely have to entertain.
Absolutely.
These people are not, they're not really truly Americans.
They really aren't.
And you're saying that in a sense, treason, although we don't use the word, is now almost baked into the Democratic Party.
It is.
Right?
Because if you, and actually Brandon has come a little close to this when he talked about deporting Ilhan Omar, right away the Democratic leadership springs into action.
Who, by the way, is extremely arrogant.
Who Ilhan Omar, you had to do that.
I had a little run-in with her.
In the halls of Congress.
Yeah, on the elevator.
Yeah.
The funny thing is this Ilhan Omar, who our friend Tahidi, Imam of Peace, calls her sister Ilhan.
Oh, yeah.
And he says it with a wink because he knows that what they mean by sister is that she has the interests of the Muslim Brotherhood.
She is watching out for the Ummah, the collective Islamic community and keeping in mind its goals of Sharia and all that.
But one of the points that you've made in this connection is that you've got this feeble and admittedly going nowhere effort to impeach Trump for the third time.
But we never took even the first step to impeach Biden.
No, and Biden could have been impeached immediately.
I mean, there were so many impeachable things that Biden did.
And where were we?
In la-la land?
I mean, really?
You know, Republicans in thinking about impeachment will find all kinds of pretexts not to do it.
Like, why do it because we don't think we have the votes to get him out of our way?
Well, first of all, impeachment, and I think this happened with Trump, right?
Impeachment was, I'm going to do it because I don't like him.
I'm going to do it because I don't like what he did.
I'm going to do it because I hate him.
Well, and also because the Democrats understand that impeachment is a wound.
Yes, right?
Exactly.
And think of it.
Trump, we have January 6th.
Trump is leaving office in January 20th, right?
If this were Republicans, we'd be like, listen, we tried to impeach him once.
It's already January 6th.
You can just see this, right?
This would be Jon Thune.
This would be Mike Johnson.
Democrats are like, no, we have an opportunity.
Here's January 6th.
Let's impeach him a second time.
We know we're not going to get him out of office, but we're going to try.
Even if we can get him out of office one day early, it's worth the effort.
I mean, that's how they operate.
No, that is exactly how they operate.
And that is exactly how we don't operate.
That is exactly how we do not operate, is quite right.
All right.
The issue came up in my conversation with David Limbaugh about the Jews and the question of whether the Jews of today, the Jews in Israel now, let's call them Netanyahu's Jews, because that was actually Tucker's phrase, are the same or are not the same, are they the legitimate descendants of the ancient Israelites?
Right.
And you and I, I think prior to our first trip to Israel, we might have answered the question a little more tentatively.
But once we went there, it's like we went, we saw, we understood.
And when I say we understood, it's not just we went to Israel, looked around, and we're like, oh yeah, it's the same people.
We found ourselves immersed in archaeology, biblical archaeology, and archaeology that, by the way, is being conducted not by missionary groups, not by believers.
It's being conducted by the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Tel Aviv University, the Israel Antiquities Authority, which is an arm of the Israeli government.
These are the people who are vindicating the Bible and simultaneously vindicating the ancient presence of the Jews, their ancestors, who have, by the way, the same names.
They speak the same language.
Of course, there's ancient Hebrew, a little different than modern Hebrew, but that's like saying we speak English a little differently than people who did 50 or 100 years ago.
They have the same habits.
They keep the same diet.
They eat the same rituals.
They're the same food.
They're tribal Now, the way they used to be then, and they read the Torah and they go to the temple.
The temple, of course, is now just the wailing wall, and there's, of course, a mosque up there.
But the Jews are there, the same as they used to be in the time of Solomon, and they are praying to the same God.
Yeah.
Well, you know, I told you that the argument kind of reminded me a little bit of atheists arguing that there is no God, right?
Because I told you that my, you know, my argument with that is, okay, let's say that you are right and that I am wrong.
Okay, there's no God, right?
Well, what happens if I'm right and you're wrong, right?
So in other words, if there's no God and I believe in God, when I die, nothing will happen.
But that's not the way it will go down if it's the other way around, right?
Right.
This is Pascal's famous probability argument, which is called Pascal's wager.
And it is, let's look at the downside.
And that's what you're doing.
You're looking at the downside.
Now apply that to the situation.
Yeah, exactly.
So I believe that what God said in Genesis 12, 3, those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed.
I believe that to be true today and always.
If it's not true, no harm done.
You're just mistaken.
I'm mistaken.
But if it's true, all the people that are saying that it's not true.
And I'm mobilizing against it.
Then what?
You're saying they will then, in fact, fall on the cursed side.
That's right.
And they will face the remote one.
And you're like, you don't want to take that chance.
You don't want to take that chance.
Right.
You know, this is a very roundabout and, I think, clever argument where you're saying, look, and David Limbaugh said.
He said, you know, you can argue both sides of the question.
And you're saying, yeah, we can, but guess what?
I'd rather argue the safe side of the question where even if I'm wrong, I'm not going to be putting my soul into jeopardy as a result of that.
That's right.
That's a very interesting, very original, I think, way to look at it.
All right, let's move on.
This is a question that kind of comes a little bit out of the Zoran-Mamdani debate.
It has caused some of the MAGA people to say, but they hold the opinion apart from this guy, but I think he has accelerated it, stop immigration from the third world.
Ban third world immigration.
And again, some of it, like I say, comes out of what I think is a bit of a fallacy, namely that it's all the third world people who are supporting people like Mamdani.
It's the third world people who are causing the decline of the West.
And my point is that it is true to this extent.
We used to have immigrants who wanted to, as I think you and I do, be part of America, right?
Celebrate America.
Assimilate.
Assimilate to America.
And we get a lot of immigrants today, even legal ones, that don't think that way.
So that is the accurate part of this assessment.
But here is where I think the kind of inaccurate part of it is.
Who is promoting the degeneracy of America?
Who is promoting identity socialism?
Who is in the forefront of Marxist agitation?
Is it, in fact, legal third world immigrants or is it predominantly white leftists, many of them female, that are being propagandized very often by white leftist professors, male and female?
And that is maybe an even bigger problem than third world immigration.
It's the bohemians of the 60s.
It's the bohemians of the 60s.
It's the people who they have radicalized from the next, from subsequent the 80s generation or from the Gen Z generation.
And so I think the issue is this.
Is there a way I think our legal immigration does need to be reformed?
But I would reform it in the direction of trying to make sure that we bring in the kind of people that the country needs.
And second, that we bring in the kind of people who will appreciate the country.
One reason I was actually very excited about these South Africans coming, there weren't so many of them, right?
There were like 50 of them came in the first wave, maybe a few since then, is, and of course, the left with its own kind of unerring instinct, they're like, these are the immigrants we don't want, right?
But if you looked at them, they looked wholesome.
They looked like they were really happy to be here.
They were beaming kids.
There were American flags.
And I was like, wow, these are the kind of people who, if you took them and you stuck them into a Norman Rockwell painting or in the America of the 1950s, they'd fit right in.
You wouldn't even know they were from South Africa.
And I'm not talking about the fact that they're just white.
I'm talking about their attitude, their values, their gratitude, and their patriotism.
100%.
I mean, look, I know Venezuelans who are that way.
You know, they are hardworking, entrepreneurial, and they're now in America and they know that America is their home.
Right.
And they want to assimilate.
They want to.
Well, they know that their country got destroyed.
Exactly.
So they don't want to, and this is my favorite saying, don't Venezuela my USA.
There you go.
Right.
Yeah.
Because they're able to look over their shoulder and see what happened.
Right.
And they are now sounding the warning in this country so that it doesn't happen here.
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Let's talk about alligator alcatraz.
I laughed so hard when I heard this phrase.
And I have the article here from NPR.
Of course, NPR is trying to make it seem like this is something like terrifying.
In other words, there is a, apparently there's a migrant detention center and it is being nicknamed alligator alcatraz.
Now, it's exaggerated.
It's not as if this center is sitting and surrounded by a moat, you know, which is full of alligators.
It kind of is.
Well, but it apparently is close to swamp, swampland.
And the swampland does, in fact, have alligators.
Have you seen those alligators in Florida?
I have seen the alligators.
They are scary.
But in any event, they are going to expand this place to have 5,000 beds.
And so Florida, which is, I mean, I must say, when we see the people in Florida, the sheriffs in Florida, the immigration guys who are in Florida, they just sound different than anywhere else, including Texas, by the way.
Oh, no, I know.
Yeah, the Florida, I mean, remember the Florida sheriff?
He's like, listen, let me give you all some advice.
He goes, first of all, if you spit on anybody, you're going to the hospital.
Right?
He goes, on the other hand, if you throw something.
This is about the riots.
He's talking about the riots.
You throw something at a cop.
He goes, you're going to the morgue.
Your family can come and pick you up or your remains.
Yeah.
Right?
This level of bluntness.
And notice, is Antifa active in Florida?
Not to our knowledge, and probably not at all.
And you know, the other thing, too, that sometimes when we watch these serial killer shows or, you know, crime shows, if you commit a murder in Florida, you're going to go, you're going to go on death row.
I mean, they don't, they don't.
Isn't it also true that they don't have parole?
They do not.
I don't know.
So in other words, we have people hearing, even in Texas, which is tough on crime, we don't mean to say no.
In Texas, if you get 10 years, you're going to serve five years quite often.
And so.
Yeah, Texas has some really weak, weak criminal.
I think they had just, Texas legislature has just upped the ante recently.
Yeah.
But in Florida, if you get 10 years, you serve 10 years.
Yeah.
And if you get the death penalty, there's a pretty good chance you're going to be executed and with not too much of a delay.
Yeah.
Well, I know they do have delays.
Unfortunately, there's a lot of appellate process.
Yeah, when you're on death row, I forget what the average is, but there are people that are on death row for 30, 40 years.
I mean, literally, it's life in prison because for whatever reason, they just don't get executed.
And so, you know, that's another argument for death row, right?
But yeah, I mean, I think one way to accelerate the desire of these death row inmates to want to check out is maybe to like waterboard them once a month.
Oh, my goodness.
So you think that's a good idea?
Yeah.
Because that would just be kind of a way, like every like second Tuesday of the month is your waterboarding day, right?
And that's just going to remind you that life is precarious and yours is going to be coming to the end.
Or my favorite is that when you commit a murder and let's say you go on death row, you're going to die the exact same way that you killed those people in.
Like, for example, if the person who I think might be, you know, you know who I'm talking about, who did the four kids, you know, murder in Idaho for four brutal slings.
Premeditated.
Premeditated stabbings.
Well, you know, even though Idaho, I think they have the firing squad.
I think you told me.
They might be the only states.
They might be the only state, but that's too fast.
That's too much.
Firing squad is way too fast.
Like, it's the most humane.
Not only that, I mean, I think the firing squad is better than the way a lot of people die naturally.
I think that he should be stabbed as many times as he stabbed.
Right.
So you know what you're appealing to here, I think.
An eye for an eye.
Not an eye for an eye.
Yes, it is, but it's the principle of retribution.
And again, you know, we live in such a soft culture that people treat retribution As something like evil.
Like, think of how often people say, well, Trump just wants to get retribution.
Retribution is, in fact, a synonym for the word justice, right?
Even in the most compassionate view of Christianity, because think about it.
God, in a way, took substitutionally retribution on Jesus.
Think about that.
Think of how harsh that is, right?
And the death penalty.
Jesus got the death penalty.
And for what, right?
Right.
Right.
So Jesus carried it for someone else.
But it's not like God goes, okay, Jesus, you know what?
Because you're doing it, it's going to be lighter.
Yeah.
Because after all, you didn't do anything.
No.
So I'm going to spare you.
No.
Full retribution.
That's right.
Right?
God did not flinch.
No.
And all the other things.
And he didn't spare him from suffering either.
And all the other theories of punishment are, I think, grossly inadequate.
Very often people think like punishment is there for deterrence.
Well, you know, this is what I say about the Hamas terrorists that went into Israel.
Okay, don't just like put them in jail, but rather hang them by their private parts until they bleed out.
Even what they've been telling me about, and some of it is a little grotesque, but I mean, breaking the hips of women as they rape them.
You know, what happened was when they raped these women, the rape was so violent that they broke their pelvises.
Right.
I mean, think of how horrific that is.
And isn't it amazing how, with that being the trigger of this war with Hamas, you have these Western leftists.
First of all, they said not a word on October 7th.
No.
Now they're inconsolable, right?
Remember when I went on Piers Morgan with Anna Kasparian?
And you were not even in the room, but you could hear her shouting.
I could hear her.
And she was, you know, shouting not at me, but she was shouting at the Israeli defense spokesman, Jonathan Conrigez.
But so like disingenuous because she's talking about women and children being murdered.
Where was she when Hamas went into Israel and did that to those babies and those grandmothers and those teenage girls?
Where was her outrage then?
So there's that.
And here's the point I made, which I think threw her off because this is the one time in that show she stopped shouting.
And this is the point I made.
I said, look, regimes by their behavior are responsible for the fate of their own children.
Here's what I mean by that.
Let's say that we are victims of a home invasion.
So that's Hamas, right?
They come into our house, they kill, they murder, they cause mayhem.
All right.
We then regrouping, go grab shotguns, and we're like, let's go get them, right?
We go chase after them, but they flee in a car.
And once we stop the car, they jump out of the car with their own 10 kids.
Their own family.
Right, their own family.
And they put all their kids in front of them and they say basically, don't shoot because there are women and children right here.
By the way, this is their women and children.
Are we supposed to say, oh, you're right.
You killed our children, but we know we're not going to shoot because after all, you've cleverly stuck your own.
No, you're the one putting your kids in danger.
You are the one responsible for those civilian casualties.
You, first of all, by your attack in the first place, and the second of all, by your own cowardly unwillingness to come out in the battlefield and the fact that you're hiding in hospitals, hiding in schools.
Daycares.
You carry that responsibility to which Anna Kasperian started to sort of blurt out but had nothing meaningful to say.
She doesn't talk about that they're a culture of death.
She doesn't talk about that at all.
And the reason that these children and women in Gaza are dying is not because the IDF is killing them, but rather, like you say, it's because Hamas is using them as human shields.
And so they are the reason that those kids and grandmothers and whatever are dying.
And they caused it to begin with.
So it's, you know, when I hear liberal women talk about stuff like that, it just makes me really mad because I'm like, you hypocrite.
You're talking about women and children dying in Gaza as a response to the women and children that died in Israel by the hands of these sadistic monsters.
You know, something that David Limbaugh said a couple of days ago, and I thought it was very striking, is he said that by and large, bigotry has been delegitimized in our society to such an extent that even people who have, you know, bigoted impulses are going to camouflage them.
They're going to make a joke about it or they're going to, but very few people today will come out openly and say, I'm a racist, right?
Blacks as a group are stupid.
They're inferior.
People don't say those things, right?
Why?
Because they know that they will be castigated if they do.
And maybe they don't even feel that way in the way that, let's say, earlier generations sometimes did.
But here's what David Limbo's point is.
The one bigotry that is completely okay, particularly on the left, but even in some quarters of the right, is to denounce the Jews.
If you can say the most vile things about the Jews today, and that taboo, to the degree there was a taboo, and there probably was a taboo for some decades after the Holocaust, but that taboo is largely gone.
And so you will hear people say the most shocking things, you know, Jews drinking human blood.
I mean, stuff that, you know, this reminds me of what people in the Klan used to say about like black smell and the kind of open bigotry that you'd hear, or at least we see from the records of the 1920s and 30s.
The same rhetoric is now used with Jews.
And the people who do it are proud of it.
Yeah, but we have a movie coming out that's going to address to all this and the reason behind it, which I completely believe.
And which David Limbaugh is funny because toward the end of the interview, he was like, Dinesh, you might think I'm a kook for kind of going there.
And then as he began to talk, I'm like, no, actually, not only do I not think that you're a cook, but you are just touching on themes that we are developing in full in our upcoming film.
All right, we don't have a lot of time.
Let's talk a little bit about this, about the world's smartest man.
And by smartest man, I'm talking about the guy who has, look, I mean, we've 276 is his IQ.
Is his IQ.
He's Korean.
His name is Young Hoon Kim.
He's a young guy.
And it's worth noting that his IQ, which has been validated, by the way, by numerous high IQ societies, the World Memory Championships, the Giga Society, Mensa.
He is known as the world's smartest man.
Not only that, he has a higher IQ than Einstein.
Yeah.
Right.
And this guy is Christian.
He's a Christian.
Yeah.
And he has a series of posts.
Yeah.
And it's kind of funny because he goes, as the world's smartest man, let me inform you that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and is the only way to salvation.
Boom.
And then he'll come back and, you know, he'll talk about as the world's smartest man, let me notify you that I have studied all the great thought systems and religions of the world, and there's only one that answers the problem of evil and the problem of salvation, and that's Christianity.
Yeah, yeah.
And he also says that Trump is like, was ordained or, you know.
Well, I think what he means is that like some of these biblical figures, not necessarily that they themselves, his point is that God is using them, right?
And I think that's what he's getting at is he's a Trumpster because he believes that Trump is fulfilling an important purpose of God now.
That's right.
Yeah.
No, I saw a little interview with him on a Korean TV show.
And of course, they start speaking Korean.
And I'm like, oh, you know, you can follow.
No, of course not.
They did have subtitles.
They did.
But so I caught a little bit of it.
And basically she was like, what kind of questions does one of these tests ask you?
Like, is it mathematical?
Is it logical?
And he says it's logical and mathematical and language, everything else.
And the fact that he measures so high in all of them, because you could actually argue if one of the test measures is super high and then he gets like 160 IQ over here, it's obviously not accurate.
Yeah, IQ is a very, is actually a valid measure of your kind of aptitude or your innate ability.
Yeah.
It's trying to measure not a specific intelligence, but what the psychometrician, psychometry is the field of IQ called G. And G, small G, stands for general intelligence.
So it's not, but general intelligence manifests itself in all kinds of ways.
I mean, here's a good example.
Let's just say you're working at McDonald's.
Now you would think, well, this does not involve IQ.
I'm working at McDonald's.
I'm behind the counter.
But you'll notice that an unintelligent person at McDonald's, if you give them an order, let's just call it Big Mac, fries, and a Diet Coke and something else, right?
An unintelligent person or a less intelligent person will go get the Big Mac, come back and put it on the tray, then go get the fries and do that.
An intelligent person will say, I don't need to make five trips, right?
I can go get the Big Mac.
But isn't that more common sense than anything else?
Well, it just takes a little bit of intuitive foresight.
And that's really what this G or general intelligence, I'm not saying this requires like his IQ.
No, I'm saying, but I'm saying a smarter person will figure out, guess what?
I'm going to go dunk the fries.
And while the fries are getting ready, I'll go get the burger.
I'll go get the drink.
By this time the fries will be ready.
I'll swoop in and pick up the fries.
And so your efficiency is just notably better because you're economizing.
So that's just one.
I'm just trying to show that intelligence is not just something like you're sitting here and trying to solve a complex theoretical problem.
Intelligence plays out in all kinds of ways.
Even your ability to anticipate a situation and go, I better think about that because if I go in for an interview, this is something they're likely to ask me.
That kind of thing.
Well, this guy is so off the chart.
I mean, think about it.
What's your IQ?
Well, I've only measured it one time, and I've only measured it because Danielle sent me some kind of a quiz years ago.
So my IQ was 140, and she was comparing it to hers, which is close to that, a little bit lower, but pretty close to that.
And look, so my IQ is not even, I mean, my IQ is close to like the genius level, but it's not a genius level IQ.
I think it's 150 or 155.
But the point is 100 is the mean.
That's the average.
The other interesting thing, by the way, is that men and women on average have the same IQ, meaning they both average to 100, but their bell curves don't look the same.
By which I mean that women in general, on average, are more bunched to the middle, meaning most women are around average.
And then the bell curves tail off like this.
There are not a lot of women who are in the genius level, and there are not a lot of women in the extremely stupid level.
With men, the curve is right.
You have more stupid men, you have more stupid men and you have more geniuses.
And by the way, I mean, I think the world kind of bears it out.
I mean, you look around and you see some men, you're like, Well, I don't know how you have a higher IQ than I do, but mine, the last time when I measured it, was 128.
But I always feel like, you know, I know I'm smarter than that.
You know, I feel like I'm smarter than 128.
But my, my logical, my math was, you know, you have a high EQ, which is an emotional intelligence.
This was the subject of a book by a writer named, I think, Danielle Goldman years ago called, he, I don't think he coined the word emotional intelligence, but we all know the reality of it, right?
There are people who are extremely smart and yet they can't put their pants on like one leg at a time.
Who in our household figures out the computer stuff?
You do.
Not only that, but you figure, you solve all kinds of problems that, you know, that it's not obvious how to solve them, but you don't like to have them unsolved.
So you'll sit down and whether it's assembling something together or figuring out why our Wi-Fi is not working or even something as simple as the other day you came, you're like, weeds are poking out in our garden, coming in between the tiles we just got.
So you're like, let me figure out how to deal with these.
So you definitely have a versatility, whereas I zoom in to certain things.
I try to do well.
The funny thing that you told me the other day is like, you know, honey, when I'm at the airport with you, I'm not even paying attention to where I'm going because I know exactly where you're going, that you know where you're going and you know the airport like the back of your hand and all that.
And I was like, oh no, what do you do when I'm not with you?
And you're like, well, then I really pay attention to that.
Then I look to see where the gate is.
But that's because you have such a map of.
I almost, I think I have a photographic memory of the airport layout.
Well, you have an almost photographic memory of calendars, of dates.
There can be, someone could propose I do a speaking event in early October, and you will tell me you can't do it because we're supposed to be doing this.
And it's off the top of your head an instant, right?
Whereas I don't see, I like look at you with like, how can you possibly know that?
But it's true.
Yeah.
So, all right.
Fun stuff.
Fun stuff.
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